I believe this is how Jacob really is.. how he talks to Hugo and everybody else is his alter ego in a way. But he is actually himself when he's with his brother
@@JiZz2Xtreme He's shown this way to showcase the character development he went through. When he talked with his brotherin season 5 was he like that? No. Probably because that was tousand years after these events.
He was never evil, until he got pushed into the dark side of the source, then his soul got ripped from his body and he became one with the evil that lay beneath the island.
@@JewTube001 Defently. He never helped anybody, brought people to the island to die, killed Nadia, let Locke fall from a building etc. All MIB wanted was getting off the island. Then people said that means the end of the world bla bla, no we dont know that, we believe Jacob? MIB said nothing about destroying anything outside the island.
@@Holland4evahh yeah im watching these clips now and jacob seems like kind of a sadist wanting to bring everyone into his sick experiment while MIB just wanted leave and have his own life. his mother and brother tortured him and for no good reason.
Always felt bad for MIB. All he ever wanted was to live a normal life and leave the Island, and Mother wouldn't let him go because of her selfishness, MIB killed her, Jacob killed him and then he became cursed to never leave the island. He's a tragic figure really
Right what did he really do wrong besides wanting to leave. Obviously he was evil at the end tryna to kill the candidates but when he was human what did he do beside wanting to leave lol
Her mother had the power to allow MiB to leave the island, but she didn't want to let her. In several chapters it is made very clear that Jacob is the one who decided that the plane passengers would arrive, and it was also he who allowed them to leave to give them reasons to return voluntarily seeing what their lives were like outside.If she had wanted, she could have given MiB freedom, but she always refused.
The island becomes their own version of backgammon, good vs evil, light vs dark. Over the centuries, they simply start playing the same game except with real people. MIB believes he can't leave the island without killing Jacob, but he isn't allowed to. That's one of the "rules" of their game. So they are stuck in a loop, playing the same game over and over, MIB tries to manipulate people over time to kill Jacob while Jacob tries to manipulate people over time to see him as the good guy protecting them from MIB, the smoke monster. And convincing them that the monster should never leave. In the end, it's hard to tell who is good and who is bad. They simply are what they are, playing a game, a real life version of backgammon. A lot of people didn't like that the story eventually delves deeply into myth and archetype, but it all makes sense.
I think they did become the embodiments of the ultimate game of good vs. evil. Jacob by becoming the Guardian of the Light, MiB by becoming the Smoke Monster. The rules that make it so they cannot harm each other is something their mother did. I believe part of being the Guardian of the Light means you have the ability to set certain rules in place on the Island, its one of the tools the Guardian can use to protect the Light. Once Jacob became Guardian, he kept that rule in place, to make it harder for MiB to leave, and also kept a steady stream of candidates rolling in, throwing more roadblocks into MiB's path to escape. That being said, I don't think Jacob tried to keep the MiB on the Island to manipulate people. The Smoke Monster might look and sound like his brother, but it isn't really him, it's something different. Their Mother said the Light existed in everyone, and this was the source of it all... where there is Light, there must be Darkness, everyone has some of both in them. I think the reason the Light is pooled into the area it is on the Island, is to hold back a similar source of Darkness, perfect balance. I think when Jacob killed his brother in anger, and then threw his dying body into the Light, his brothers consciousness imprinted on that Darkness, and allowed it to escape the Light, but still not leave the Island. Jacob knows he cannot release this evil into the greater world, but he also cannot kill something with his brother face again, due to guilt. So he hopelessly tries to show his "brother" the good, or Light, in humanity, while searching for a suitable replacement for the time when his brother eventually succeeds in killing him, who can do what he couldn't bring himself to do, kill his brother, and return to normal balance of Light and Dark to the source in the Island. Or that could be total horseshit, lol gotta love Lost theories!
@@KS-xk2so well Jacob did bring people on the island just to prove a point to MiB which eventually led to their death. Then he recruited Richard to be an advisor or whatever saying him that MiB is evil n can’t n shouldn’t escape the Island. But do we actually know that? They never showed MiB was evil or bad in any way. He killed those people coz they were playing their own game of proving their own points so Jacob is as much guilty as MiB for their deaths.
Good question. It wasn't just the fact that he wanted to leave the island, its how he wanted to leave. He wanted to use the light of the island to try and leave. Basically, this light is the source of all good in the world and instead of helping jacob protect the light, he wanted to manipulate and use it for his own personal gain (ie. leaving the island). This makes him jacobs opposite
Across the Sea is fantastic connecting many dots throughout the show. This and the final episode answer many big questions in ways that are told without bogging the show down in terrible exposition. Many of the shows themes are present in Across the Sea. Its the origin of the story of lost. Nikki and Paulo may suck, but Expose is a very entertaining and fun episode with one of the creepiest twists in the whole show.
I think its so sweet how innocent jacob is, he just looks so sad and alone when MIB tells him he's leaving, he looks like a puppy thats just been left behind in the kennels :(
people gave this episode a lot of shit for not having much or any relevance to our plane crash survivors. I'd like to think this episode stands on its own for the origin of things to come (the inevitable Jacob vs his dead brother).
My question is: Who is Allison Janney's character meant to be? I mean, I get that this episode really helps explain the origin of Jacob and MIB, but what is Allison Janney's origin and why did she need to kidnap a couple of boys...?
@@noahtawil8793 But Hurley becomes the island's protector and Jacob doesn't try to separate him from the group of plane crash survivors, so why was it necessary to separate Jacob and MIB from their people...? Surely you could just let them all grow up together and then pick the best candidate to protect the island from the entire group. I just....., the random addition of the Allison Janney character just raises FAAAR more questions than it answers. 🤷♂️
My favourite after ab aeterno, for sure. Emotion packed, with the Man in Black's determination... and the show that at the end of the day, the entire reason he's a threat is because jacob & their foster-mother forced him into that situation.
Maybe it's obvious or someone has already said it but I just gotta say I dont think the smoke monster was really Jacob's brother because Jacob's brother died, jack and kate even found his body in a cave hundreds of years later. I think that the smoke monster just used his physical appearance to get an angle in with Jacob the way it did with Locke. Whatever that dark entity was just happened to want off the island like Jacob's brother.
@@user-hu9vi7nk1l The Smoke Monster starts to believe its the person it is when it's been them for long. It started using Lockes quotes, it has their memories. It did the same with Jacobs brother. It was already down the cave when Jacobs brothers dead body floated down. It took his form.
@@jimmyrustlerz He didn't use lockes quotes and he was literally the opposite of Locke. Jack even says "you're nothing like him". Jacob always refers to him as "him" not "it" dogan calls him an angry "man" and Richard says to sawyer that "man" is not John Locke. He tells Ben he wants to go home, the monster wouldn't consider the outer world its home. The writers had the idea of mib trapped by jacobs rules from the beginning. Mib tries to lead Jack off a cliff as his father, he chases arzt back to the black Rock to blowhimself up, he gave Locke a vision of the beach craft to lure boone inside. The writers re use lines frequently, mib wasn't using lockes quotes, Locke was using mibs quotes "don't tell me what I can't do" it was just a subtle reference to mib until it came full circle with mib saying it himself
While for the most part I agree with you, when he and Sawyer were walking thru the jungle and they saw young Jacob standing there, MiB gave chase, but eventually face planted. When he looked up, Jacob told him “you can’t kill him. It’s against the rules”, MiB yelled out in very Locke fashion “don’t tell me what I can’t do!” It’s something Locke said on many occasions. I’d even go so far as to say that MiB isn’t terribly different from off island Locke, who was much different from on island Locke.
erawa Exactly. If you feel really good in some place. This place is your home. MIB knew that his mother is not real mother and that he came from a place across the sea. He knew it and we as viewers knew it but Jacob did not. He blindly flowed his fake mother. Jacob is a bad guy in this series. MIB just want to leave and go home and its true the island is not his home.
Jacob leaves the Island all the time to get people to come to it, so some arguments below are flawed. Ricado is interesting in this dramatics of Jacobs and MiB.
not allowing the man in black to leave was a foster-mother's bullshit love - she wanted to keep her children close... and after that, jacob's mistake & bitterness. The MiB was completely screwed over there, for sure.
I love the whole thing about the island-stoy being a type of "game". MiB set the rules for his board-game and tells Jacob he can make up the rules when he finds his own game. That "game" later being the one where he brings people to the island...
Of all the sad stories on lost, this has gotta be the saddest, the story of the MIB, after I dont know maybe like 200 years of being stuck on that rock and wanting to leave, he never got to, he died on that island, it must have been his greatest fear
What an answer. Well he’s the devil? Who says he’s the devil? He was pushed to the dark side. Not everything is black and white. It’s Jacob that has done more wrong than him actually.
@@nostalgia9338 well Jacob was wrong in pushing him into the light source, but what I said is true he's became true evil and his evil nature shouldn't be out in the world. so he must die or be trapped on the island forever.
Jacob really was in the wrong during this whole situation. What's so wrong about MIB wanting to leave? It's a bummer that you'd be stuck with the island protector job but it's not like Jacob had any plans of leaving. At this point he hadn't turned into the smoke monster yet so there wouldn't be too much danger in letting him join the real world. I just don't understand the conflict.
Wasn’t it their mom who stopped him from leaving? Jacob didn’t like it, but the mother was the one who killed everyone and buried the well. Jacob just made the mistake of lashing out in anger and killing his brother instead of letting him go. That was his mistake. It’s also why he gave the candidates a choice, since him and his brother basically had none, and he realized it too late
Well at first it wasn't. He just didn't want his brother to leave him. It's only later on after he became the smoke monster that it became more imperative that he never leaves
I actually really enjoy the flashback episodes in the last season with Jacob and the MiB.. and Richard Alpert's back story was really effin cool.. I don't care what some people say, I wish they woulda made a few hundred more seasons of Lost..
The take away from Lost is the importance of doing your best as a parent…all the main characters were lost as adults based on their childhood experiences with their parents that stayed with them as adults. Walt doesn’t have a chance 😢
MiB: Mother is batshit crazy. *A minute later* ...but she was right about people being bad, which is pretty much all she ever talked about. I hate everyone even though I refer to them as 'my people'. *A minute later* ....but there are some really smart, curious people here. Thanks to them I am getting off the island. See, this is what happens when you try to tie everything together without having planned it out well beforehand. The various puzzle pieces don't match up.
Okay this is kind of silly lol. Smart doesn't mean good. He's using these people who he knows are bad for his own advantage while also thinking his "mother" is insane, which we know for a fact to be true considering she murdered their actual mother for basically no good reason. So nothing he said here is wrong. It's just kind of forced hate
MiB just wants to leave. If the Mother wasn’t so crazy, lying saying the island is all there is, then things could have been so different. Imagine just wanting to leave an island and then your brother turns you into a smoke monster and you’re stuck unable to leave the island or die for 2000 plus years. Would make anyone crazy...
even if he left he would've been a great threat to the island, since he knows its secrets. it was the right move not to allow him to leave, also he's evil.
They always said if he left everyone the losties cared about was going to die, I dont know maybe if he left he'd kill all of em, it was pretty vague, I wish they'd have shown us like a future where MIB leaves the island so we'd have a better understanding what they were trying to stop
Did you even watch the show? If Smokey gets off the island, ALL LIFE ENDS. Jacob stating it the way he did was a way of personalizing it for the candidates.
A couple things I wish the final fight had done differently: I wish before the end of it, MiB somehow regained his original form (just say, I dunno, one of the tremors of the island allowed him to become "unstuck"). Then I wish it was the real Locke's spirit that showed up and helped Jack finally win, then, as MiB died, I wish he saw Jacob one last time and he extended a hand to make peace in the afterlife. The two opposites of two vastly different eras coming together finally in two different ways to end the whole conflict.
That would be insanely lame lol It's a little bit corny imo. I think the way they resolved the stories is fine. The MIB was defeated by the same humanity he looked down upon, and Locke's character was concluded in the afterlife sequence
His intentions are not evil, but if he got off the island, he would take the rest of the evil with him. That is why he could only leave once the cork got taken out, he was chained to the evil until that happened. What actually happens when the evil gets back to the rest of the world is never explained, but there are theories on what would happen. Hurley says to Richard that if they dont stop the MiB then they all go to hell, aka no group huggings in the afterlife.
My guess is that the electromagnetism the island is containing would be unleashed, ending the world. Once the Man in Black was actually capable of leaving, he was made mortal just like any other human. But the removal of the cork containing the electromagnetism on the island would come out, releasing the energy and destroying the world, starting with the destruction of the island.
@VampireLord66 "Samuel" was the name given in the casting sheet just so people knew who/what they were auditioning for. It doesn't mean they ever considered actually giving MIB the name Samuel. I think the writers always wanted MIB to have no name. I mean, the character Jacob's name was actually "Jason" in the casting sheet - they didn't want people to know they were auditioning for "Jacob", but it still goes to show that names in a casting sheet mean nothing.
The actor who played the man in black said that the writers told him he has a name and that his name is important. So I figure they meant Adam as thats the name Locke gave them when they found his body. His mother never had a name either, so I figure it's eve
he just wanted to leave. and the island's protector could just have sent him away just like she brought them. it is possible for people to leave the island if the protector allows them. people couldnt leave the island easily because it was how jacob did things (as ben linus delicately put while talking to hurley) and he learned this behavior guess from whom? you are right! the previous protector, the murderer of his biological mother.
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@JacobTheProtector Actually they all said that they considered naming him Samuel and were going to make it public but then kept it out so that no one would know his real name (epic fail!)
@VampireLord66 And then they discontinued using the name 'samuel' in season six. So they obviously changed their mind about that too. Still, for those that know its a nice little piece of information.
Jacob believes that people are good but he has only had two people who he actually knew his whole life. MIB is right and he knows it because he lived with other people besides his family.
MiB before becoming Smokey...sees others as a means to an end. NOTHING more. He fails to mention their ingenuity, their curiosity, their industriousness, their bonds of friendship. He has a very ONE-SIDED view of humanity. And it's actually "Mother's" fault. She killed their bio-mom, and taught them to fear, distrust and devalue other humans. When MiB learned that she killed their bio-mom, he left seeking answers to who he is and where he is from. Unfortunately, the damage was already done...Mother's view of people became his view of people. Jacob interestingly kept an objectivity about people. By viewing them from afar, keeping them outside of any personal relationship to them, he sees BOTH the good and the bad. MiB is trapped in his biased thinking as much as he is trapped on the Island by "Mother's" insistence that MiB not leave the Island. And as Smokey, his disdain for everyone and everything grows exponentially. For example, he killed Zoey for NO other reason than Charles told her not to talk. THIS made her useless to him...so he cut her throat because it made her "pointless" to him. THIS is how MiB saw people...as merely "a means to an end".
I ran away from my home decades ago just like MIB wanted to. I didn't feel belonging to where I was born. People were greedy, manipulative, selfish and so on. I left everything behind and just ran to other countries with no money whatsoever. I have hoped to find a place where humans are different. Sadly, everywhere you go it is all the same manipulative and greedy humans.
Funny looking back on this scene after all these years and multiple reruns. It seems to me like this scene is like a microcosm of the whole journey of life..... Very cleverly written indeed.
A lot of the final series of Lost was actually very well written and put together, and if it either hadn't been the final season or hadn't had the previous seasons attached to it i think it would have been regarded very well. The reason people hate it is because it didn't do a good job of explaining all the mysteries that the showrunners had built up over the previous seasons, they botched some by giving shallow unsatisfactory answers and completely ignored others. But if you look at the quality of it in isolation it's very good, the finale would be considered top notch with it's emotional ending and wrapping up of every characters story in a decent manner if it didn't have the expectations that it did. And the same goes for a lot of the other things in that season.
Can anyone answer this for me why did mib get stuck in Locke body according to that girl ( who was suppose to be Jacob daughter) she told Ben he can't change forms anymore
Jacob may be innocent but he is far from immature and neither is Samuel (The Man in Black's actual name) when Titus Welliver was brought on the show the character he portrayed was called only 'samuel' and there was something about making him an executive in the present time or some weird plot like that but I guess they figured making him the Smoke Monster was better
MiB - Man in Black? I like both characters, I think it gives more interest in history, is funny to think that they are the oldest civilizations on the island. and have been lots of people of various cultures ... I even liked that MiB exit the island to see what he was doing, if they kill all or or was doing some matches, or living your life lol
E C i was looking at it from a different perspective, the way i saw it, at the moment, was those shows are all great character centric and you hate that the series is over once you finish. So...yeah
It is. That's the whole fuck you dogan sent to mib. Mib has been trying for 2000 years to get someone to stab Jacob like that and dogan does it to mib with 1 try. And with the same knife he killed mother with
Great scene. I don't get why so many people hated this episode and said it explained nothing. Really? It told us the story of Jacob and how his brother became turned into the black smoke, and who the cave skeletons are from season 1. Don't ya think those things are kind of important? LoL idiots.
He's about 2,000 years old when he dies. I'm pretty sure, however, that this scene was before he was immortal, so probably as old as he looks. As for his "mother", who knows. She's even more mysterious than Jacob and MiB.
Jacob's mother (Claudia), judging from her clothes, hairstyle, skin color and also the fact that she speaks only Latin, we can conclude that she and her people came from Rome. Back then the Island was probably in Mediterranean near the Italian Peninsula. So from that info, Jacob is about 3,000 to 2,000 years old
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I love how childlike jacob is in this clip...
I'm impressed by how the younger actor and older actor match here. I mean, almost exact same behaviour. It worked really well.
I believe this is how Jacob really is.. how he talks to Hugo and everybody else is his alter ego in a way. But he is actually himself when he's with his brother
@@JiZz2Xtreme He's shown this way to showcase the character development he went through. When he talked with his brotherin season 5 was he like that? No. Probably because that was tousand years after these events.
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Same. Even with a "mother" like his, he was still so naively innocent.
He was never evil, until he got pushed into the dark side of the source, then his soul got ripped from his body and he became one with the evil that lay beneath the island.
Even after that Jacob was more evil. Look at what MIB did and at what Jacob did and said.
@@Holland4evahh jacob was the the real bad guy all along.
@@JewTube001 Defently. He never helped anybody, brought people to the island to die, killed Nadia, let Locke fall from a building etc.
All MIB wanted was getting off the island. Then people said that means the end of the world bla bla, no we dont know that, we believe Jacob? MIB said nothing about destroying anything outside the island.
@@Holland4evahh yeah im watching these clips now and jacob seems like kind of a sadist wanting to bring everyone into his sick experiment while MIB just wanted leave and have his own life. his mother and brother tortured him and for no good reason.
@@JewTube001 Yes and Jacob was just a shitty character just like the last season was shitty. Iam a Lost fan but they messed it up at the end.
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Always felt bad for MIB. All he ever wanted was to live a normal life and leave the Island, and Mother wouldn't let him go because of her selfishness, MIB killed her, Jacob killed him and then he became cursed to never leave the island. He's a tragic figure really
Right what did he really do wrong besides wanting to leave. Obviously he was evil at the end tryna to kill the candidates but when he was human what did he do beside wanting to leave lol
@@PopOutPauliehe chose his own freedom over innocent peoples lives.
If he used the light to escape the island, the whole world would have been toast. “If the light goes out here, it goes out everywhere”
Her mother had the power to allow MiB to leave the island, but she didn't want to let her. In several chapters it is made very clear that Jacob is the one who decided that the plane passengers would arrive, and it was also he who allowed them to leave to give them reasons to return voluntarily seeing what their lives were like outside.If she had wanted, she could have given MiB freedom, but she always refused.
The island becomes their own version of backgammon, good vs evil, light vs dark. Over the centuries, they simply start playing the same game except with real people. MIB believes he can't leave the island without killing Jacob, but he isn't allowed to. That's one of the "rules" of their game. So they are stuck in a loop, playing the same game over and over, MIB tries to manipulate people over time to kill Jacob while Jacob tries to manipulate people over time to see him as the good guy protecting them from MIB, the smoke monster. And convincing them that the monster should never leave. In the end, it's hard to tell who is good and who is bad. They simply are what they are, playing a game, a real life version of backgammon.
A lot of people didn't like that the story eventually delves deeply into myth and archetype, but it all makes sense.
My theory is they're both the coloured stones in a greater game. They never see the players in that greater game.
I think they did become the embodiments of the ultimate game of good vs. evil. Jacob by becoming the Guardian of the Light, MiB by becoming the Smoke Monster. The rules that make it so they cannot harm each other is something their mother did. I believe part of being the Guardian of the Light means you have the ability to set certain rules in place on the Island, its one of the tools the Guardian can use to protect the Light. Once Jacob became Guardian, he kept that rule in place, to make it harder for MiB to leave, and also kept a steady stream of candidates rolling in, throwing more roadblocks into MiB's path to escape. That being said, I don't think Jacob tried to keep the MiB on the Island to manipulate people.
The Smoke Monster might look and sound like his brother, but it isn't really him, it's something different. Their Mother said the Light existed in everyone, and this was the source of it all... where there is Light, there must be Darkness, everyone has some of both in them. I think the reason the Light is pooled into the area it is on the Island, is to hold back a similar source of Darkness, perfect balance. I think when Jacob killed his brother in anger, and then threw his dying body into the Light, his brothers consciousness imprinted on that Darkness, and allowed it to escape the Light, but still not leave the Island. Jacob knows he cannot release this evil into the greater world, but he also cannot kill something with his brother face again, due to guilt. So he hopelessly tries to show his "brother" the good, or Light, in humanity, while searching for a suitable replacement for the time when his brother eventually succeeds in killing him, who can do what he couldn't bring himself to do, kill his brother, and return to normal balance of Light and Dark to the source in the Island.
Or that could be total horseshit, lol gotta love Lost theories!
@@KS-xk2so well Jacob did bring people on the island just to prove a point to MiB which eventually led to their death. Then he recruited Richard to be an advisor or whatever saying him that MiB is evil n can’t n shouldn’t escape the Island. But do we actually know that? They never showed MiB was evil or bad in any way. He killed those people coz they were playing their own game of proving their own points so Jacob is as much guilty as MiB for their deaths.
@@KS-xk2so nor was MiB wrong. We all r “corruptible coz its in our very nature to sin”.
Is this similar to Nietzsche's Eternal recurrence?
The writers confirmed it was set in 44 AD or so
...a year after london was created.
This scene is in 44 AD? So the start of the episode was 0 or 1AD?
@@VCYT Lunden
Londinium
Weren’t Britains all nutters back then? Runnin’ ‘round sportin’ blue tatoos, out of their heads on boose, fightin’ vomitin and passin’ out?
Good question. It wasn't just the fact that he wanted to leave the island, its how he wanted to leave. He wanted to use the light of the island to try and leave. Basically, this light is the source of all good in the world and instead of helping jacob protect the light, he wanted to manipulate and use it for his own personal gain (ie. leaving the island). This makes him jacobs opposite
Well if mother hadn't lied that there was no way off the island, that it wasn't all there is, maybe he wouldn't have to use the light.
"and this time we found something".
That line always gives me chills.
I'd love a whole season between Jacob & the man in black. they're dynamic was epic
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Ryan Myhre don’t be a dick
@@dominickbaker3809 He just corrected him you sensitive dumbass.
Across the Sea is fantastic connecting many dots throughout the show. This and the final episode answer many big questions in ways that are told without bogging the show down in terrible exposition. Many of the shows themes are present in Across the Sea. Its the origin of the story of lost.
Nikki and Paulo may suck, but Expose is a very entertaining and fun episode with one of the creepiest twists in the whole show.
Yessir u know the monster turned into the spiders and bit them
Razzle Dazzle
It's so amazing how they related back to the Hatch, the first real plot device.
The hatch was at “the Swan” this became the orchid site
I think its so sweet how innocent jacob is, he just looks so sad and alone when MIB tells him he's leaving, he looks like a puppy thats just been left behind in the kennels :(
Well it's his choice he'd rather like with an evil psychopath
people gave this episode a lot of shit for not having much or any relevance to our plane crash survivors. I'd like to think this episode stands on its own for the origin of things to come (the inevitable Jacob vs his dead brother).
ppl have no Clue why the Episode is one of the Key Eopisodes to understand the Story of those 2
@@Hiosho It seems to me that people have lost critical thinking skills
My question is: Who is Allison Janney's character meant to be? I mean, I get that this episode really helps explain the origin of Jacob and MIB, but what is Allison Janney's origin and why did she need to kidnap a couple of boys...?
@@LoganBluth i think she wanted to make sure they didn't live with the other survivors so one of them could become the island's protector
@@noahtawil8793 But Hurley becomes the island's protector and Jacob doesn't try to separate him from the group of plane crash survivors, so why was it necessary to separate Jacob and MIB from their people...? Surely you could just let them all grow up together and then pick the best candidate to protect the island from the entire group. I just....., the random addition of the Allison Janney character just raises FAAAR more questions than it answers. 🤷♂️
"YYEAAHH BITTCH, MAGNETS, AAOOWW!!"
Yeah Mr Shephard ! Yeah man of science!
Yeah science!!!!
Wrong TV show bro...
lmao
How do they work.
It is sad to see how brotherly they used to be, playing a game and bonding.. Only to become enemies trying to kill eachother 💔
His brother died the moment he was thrown in the source. Everything after that was the smoke monster, not Jacobs brother.
Right
@@WonkelDee His soul was twisted into a monster he is still Jacob’s brother
Fuckin' Magnets, how do they work?
im sorry, Ive never said I loved her though.
Jacob looks like House with that expression at 0:14
Yes because .... Saturn
CUE, I prefer ghoul, but that's close enough.
This is my favorite moment. Thanks for publishing it.
One of the best episodes of the whole series
RevolutioZ Elaborate
My favourite after ab aeterno, for sure. Emotion packed, with the Man in Black's determination... and the show that at the end of the day, the entire reason he's a threat is because jacob & their foster-mother forced him into that situation.
this episode was so shitty and overhyped. It's one of the worst of the series for sure.
you are an idiot
this was Lost at its worst
Maybe it's obvious or someone has already said it but I just gotta say I dont think the smoke monster was really Jacob's brother because Jacob's brother died, jack and kate even found his body in a cave hundreds of years later. I think that the smoke monster just used his physical appearance to get an angle in with Jacob the way it did with Locke. Whatever that dark entity was just happened to want off the island like Jacob's brother.
No it was definitely his brother. He said he had a mother and that before he was trapped he was a man. He also tells been that once he was human
@@user-hu9vi7nk1l The Smoke Monster starts to believe its the person it is when it's been them for long. It started using Lockes quotes, it has their memories. It did the same with Jacobs brother. It was already down the cave when Jacobs brothers dead body floated down. It took his form.
@@jimmyrustlerz He didn't use lockes quotes and he was literally the opposite of Locke. Jack even says "you're nothing like him". Jacob always refers to him as "him" not "it" dogan calls him an angry "man" and Richard says to sawyer that "man" is not John Locke. He tells Ben he wants to go home, the monster wouldn't consider the outer world its home.
The writers had the idea of mib trapped by jacobs rules from the beginning. Mib tries to lead Jack off a cliff as his father, he chases arzt back to the black Rock to blowhimself up, he gave Locke a vision of the beach craft to lure boone inside. The writers re use lines frequently, mib wasn't using lockes quotes, Locke was using mibs quotes "don't tell me what I can't do" it was just a subtle reference to mib until it came full circle with mib saying it himself
While for the most part I agree with you, when he and Sawyer were walking thru the jungle and they saw young Jacob standing there, MiB gave chase, but eventually face planted. When he looked up, Jacob told him “you can’t kill him. It’s against the rules”, MiB yelled out in very Locke fashion “don’t tell me what I can’t do!” It’s something Locke said on many occasions. I’d even go so far as to say that MiB isn’t terribly different from off island Locke, who was much different from on island Locke.
It's ironic because nemesis is right; it really isn't his home.
"Home" is a psychological thing.
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Exactly. If you feel really good in some place. This place is your home. MIB knew that his mother is not real mother and that he came from a place across the sea. He knew it and we as viewers knew it but Jacob did not. He blindly flowed his fake mother.
Jacob is a bad guy in this series. MIB just want to leave and go home and its true the island is not his home.
@@oldi184 I thing fake mother told to jacob when he asked if it's true all that his brother said(future black smoke)
@@oldi184 I don't think so
You home is where you feel god, Jacob feel good in that island, so for him it was his home
Wooo, Lucifer and War!
Jacob leaves the Island all the time to get people to come to it, so some arguments below are flawed. Ricado is interesting in this dramatics of Jacobs and MiB.
scottab140 Yes but he has got a good reason
not allowing the man in black to leave was a foster-mother's bullshit love - she wanted to keep her children close... and after that, jacob's mistake & bitterness. The MiB was completely screwed over there, for sure.
@@SyndicateOperative That was how it was originally yeah. Eventually it became more about safety once he became the black smoke
They got a good barber on the island
"how are you gonna leave?"
"wagon wheel + water + the light from the pulp fiction briefcase + magnets"
"oh ok makes sense"
this always reminded me of 100 years of solitude
He says they're terrible - yet when he returns to the village later on to find them all dead you can see that he's devastated.
Probably moreso because he knew he'd never get off the island
I love the whole thing about the island-stoy being a type of "game". MiB set the rules for his board-game and tells Jacob he can make up the rules when he finds his own game. That "game" later being the one where he brings people to the island...
This is lowkey one of the best episodes in season 6. The finale is better, but this is easily top 5
MiB wasn't evil until Jacob pushed him into the light. Jaxob ultimately regretted it in the end, Such a great show.
Jacob is like Buster from Arrested Development.
And MIB is GOB.
Of all the sad stories on lost, this has gotta be the saddest, the story of the MIB, after I dont know maybe like 200 years of being stuck on that rock and wanting to leave, he never got to, he died on that island, it must have been his greatest fear
Even worse, it’s 2000 years of waiting because they are from Roman descent
@@sabrasabranise3335why do they speak perfect american english tho😅
Thousands of years. All of the Egyptian artifacts say so.
@@youssefabdullah-rb8xc English and Latin are connected strongly. So it's fine.
best part about this scene is the epic theme and jacob is looking down on mib and construcktion side
I feel so bad for MIB. just wants to leave the island. he shouldn't of told anyone about it
Well he's the devil, him leaving would mean the end for the island and the world.
What an answer. Well he’s the devil? Who says he’s the devil? He was pushed to the dark side. Not everything is black and white. It’s Jacob that has done more wrong than him actually.
@@nostalgia9338 well Jacob was wrong in pushing him into the light source, but what I said is true he's became true evil and his evil nature shouldn't be out in the world. so he must die or be trapped on the island forever.
@@soheiladam7510 he is NOT the devil or at least he wasn't at first. He was just a normal ass kid
I miss LOST, such a good show
Jacob really was in the wrong during this whole situation. What's so wrong about MIB wanting to leave? It's a bummer that you'd be stuck with the island protector job but it's not like Jacob had any plans of leaving. At this point he hadn't turned into the smoke monster yet so there wouldn't be too much danger in letting him join the real world. I just don't understand the conflict.
Wasn’t it their mom who stopped him from leaving? Jacob didn’t like it, but the mother was the one who killed everyone and buried the well. Jacob just made the mistake of lashing out in anger and killing his brother instead of letting him go. That was his mistake. It’s also why he gave the candidates a choice, since him and his brother basically had none, and he realized it too late
@@johnepants He was guilty of manipulating and letting the Others kill and cause havoc. He acted so high and mighty, yet he was no better.
Well at first it wasn't. He just didn't want his brother to leave him. It's only later on after he became the smoke monster that it became more imperative that he never leaves
Great comment! Id never thought of it that way.
They're almost child-like.
I actually really enjoy the flashback episodes in the last season with Jacob and the MiB.. and Richard Alpert's back story was really effin cool.. I don't care what some people say, I wish they woulda made a few hundred more seasons of Lost..
Nah the bomb worked at the end of season 5 and everything went on as if it never happened.
aww at 1:10 jacob looks sooo cute and innocent!!! ^-^
i love these two :P
This is easily the best scene in lost, out of all seasons.
Jacon loves you.
Enlil and Enki
The take away from Lost is the importance of doing your best as a parent…all the main characters were lost as adults based on their childhood experiences with their parents that stayed with them as adults. Walt doesn’t have a chance 😢
MiB: Mother is batshit crazy.
*A minute later*
...but she was right about people being bad, which is pretty much all she ever talked about. I hate everyone even though I refer to them as 'my people'.
*A minute later*
....but there are some really smart, curious people here. Thanks to them I am getting off the island.
See, this is what happens when you try to tie everything together without having planned it out well beforehand. The various puzzle pieces don't match up.
Letsplay222 lol maybe Mib stands for “ mother is batshit”
What stupid comment is this🤦🤦
Okay this is kind of silly lol. Smart doesn't mean good. He's using these people who he knows are bad for his own advantage while also thinking his "mother" is insane, which we know for a fact to be true considering she murdered their actual mother for basically no good reason. So nothing he said here is wrong. It's just kind of forced hate
Refreshing to see Mark Pellegrino play a good guy.
@Daddy I know. But I feel like he usually plays bad guys instead of good guys.
metal behavin' strangly. Loved this episode!
MiB just wants to leave. If the Mother wasn’t so crazy, lying saying the island is all there is, then things could have been so different. Imagine just wanting to leave an island and then your brother turns you into a smoke monster and you’re stuck unable to leave the island or die for 2000 plus years. Would make anyone crazy...
even if he left he would've been a great threat to the island, since he knows its secrets. it was the right move not to allow him to leave, also he's evil.
I love the sounds of the game their playing.
Such great asmr
@@TheSilentknight1520 I absolutely agree.
Unintentional asmr is the most natural.
They always said if he left everyone the losties cared about was going to die, I dont know maybe if he left he'd kill all of em, it was pretty vague, I wish they'd have shown us like a future where MIB leaves the island so we'd have a better understanding what they were trying to stop
Did you even watch the show? If Smokey gets off the island, ALL LIFE ENDS. Jacob stating it the way he did was a way of personalizing it for the candidates.
A couple things I wish the final fight had done differently: I wish before the end of it, MiB somehow regained his original form (just say, I dunno, one of the tremors of the island allowed him to become "unstuck"). Then I wish it was the real Locke's spirit that showed up and helped Jack finally win, then, as MiB died, I wish he saw Jacob one last time and he extended a hand to make peace in the afterlife. The two opposites of two vastly different eras coming together finally in two different ways to end the whole conflict.
Watch totally lost. It's a parody but its the closest thing to a flash sideways resolution for them
That would be insanely lame lol
It's a little bit corny imo. I think the way they resolved the stories is fine. The MIB was defeated by the same humanity he looked down upon, and Locke's character was concluded in the afterlife sequence
His intentions are not evil, but if he got off the island, he would take the rest of the evil with him. That is why he could only leave once the cork got taken out, he was chained to the evil until that happened.
What actually happens when the evil gets back to the rest of the world is never explained, but there are theories on what would happen. Hurley says to Richard that if they dont stop the MiB then they all go to hell, aka no group huggings in the afterlife.
My guess is that the electromagnetism the island is containing would be unleashed, ending the world. Once the Man in Black was actually capable of leaving, he was made mortal just like any other human. But the removal of the cork containing the electromagnetism on the island would come out, releasing the energy and destroying the world, starting with the destruction of the island.
@darkcapacity1133 the girl that got blown up her name is Ilana
@daman1233 4,000+ years old. If it's set somewhere around 2,000BC then it's more than 4,000 years ago.
@Damon242 Oh I know they discontinued it, but I still refer to him as Samuel.
@daman1233 Oh, I thought I had reposted on that one.
Yes, they are approximately just over 2,000. I hate the date wrong.
Barry was a wild man 🤣
@VampireLord66 "Samuel" was the name given in the casting sheet just so people knew who/what they were auditioning for. It doesn't mean they ever considered actually giving MIB the name Samuel. I think the writers always wanted MIB to have no name. I mean, the character Jacob's name was actually "Jason" in the casting sheet - they didn't want people to know they were auditioning for "Jacob", but it still goes to show that names in a casting sheet mean nothing.
The actor who played the man in black said that the writers told him he has a name and that his name is important. So I figure they meant Adam as thats the name Locke gave them when they found his body. His mother never had a name either, so I figure it's eve
Jacob and his mother knew the way out of island but just for bringing new people for this island, MIB wanted just leave this island
War and Lucifer hanging out
@VampireLord66 No wrong. The Characters name is "Man in Black". Samuel was just so the production team knew who they were talking about.
Expose and Across the Sea are fantastic. Two of the shows best. Yes im serious
Expose is really mid lmao
Across the Sea is amazing though. For sure
14 years later Hindsight - I wish Titus Weaver would've played MIB for all of season 6.
he just wanted to leave. and the island's protector could just have sent him away just like she brought them. it is possible for people to leave the island if the protector allows them. people couldnt leave the island easily because it was how jacob did things (as ben linus delicately put while talking to hurley) and he learned this behavior guess from whom? you are right! the previous protector, the murderer of his biological mother.
Gidemez kanka giderse dünyadaki iyilik ve kötülük dengesi değişir daha derin şeyler var uzun uzun yazamam. Hz muhammed in bir denizciden dinlediği bir olay var yine böyle esrarengiz bir adayla ilgili. Google a yaz çıkar
The light actually killed him the real him is dead the monster or black smoke turn into anyone that is dead thus him being Jacobs nemesis
Ricardo became mortal once jack became the leader and according to the creators mib name is Samuel
@JacobTheProtector Actually they all said that they considered naming him Samuel and were going to make it public but then kept it out so that no one would know his real name (epic fail!)
"Greedy. manipulative. untrustworthy, selfish." True.
watching this in chronological order is fn insane
@landenundertakerfan Well MIB and Jacob were born in the year 23 AD.
Jacob or mib should have been Claire’s son, it would have made more sense
this is the best episode ever
@VampireLord66 And then they discontinued using the name 'samuel' in season six. So they obviously changed their mind about that too.
Still, for those that know its a nice little piece of information.
Jacob believes that people are good but he has only had two people who he actually knew his whole life. MIB is right and he knows it because he lived with other people besides his family.
MiB before becoming Smokey...sees others as a means to an end. NOTHING more. He fails to mention their ingenuity, their curiosity, their industriousness, their bonds of friendship. He has a very ONE-SIDED view of humanity. And it's actually "Mother's" fault. She killed their bio-mom, and taught them to fear, distrust and devalue other humans. When MiB learned that she killed their bio-mom, he left seeking answers to who he is and where he is from. Unfortunately, the damage was already done...Mother's view of people became his view of people. Jacob interestingly kept an objectivity about people. By viewing them from afar, keeping them outside of any personal relationship to them, he sees BOTH the good and the bad. MiB is trapped in his biased thinking as much as he is trapped on the Island by "Mother's" insistence that MiB not leave the Island. And as Smokey, his disdain for everyone and everything grows exponentially. For example, he killed Zoey for NO other reason than Charles told her not to talk. THIS made her useless to him...so he cut her throat because it made her "pointless" to him. THIS is how MiB saw people...as merely "a means to an end".
ooooh alright. That makess sense. thanks man.
In a comedic short shown at the San Diego Comic-Con in 2011, The Man in Black is "revealed" to be named Barry
Thats just a parody though. His name is adam
@TheLazareth Well, we did and didn't. It certainly confirmed a lot of speculation, just as Richard's episode did.
I ran away from my home decades ago just like MIB wanted to. I didn't feel belonging to where I was born. People were greedy, manipulative, selfish and so on. I left everything behind and just ran to other countries with no money whatsoever. I have hoped to find a place where humans are different. Sadly, everywhere you go it is all the same manipulative and greedy humans.
0:15... scares me
Funny looking back on this scene after all these years and multiple reruns. It seems to me like this scene is like a microcosm of the whole journey of life..... Very cleverly written indeed.
A lot of the final series of Lost was actually very well written and put together, and if it either hadn't been the final season or hadn't had the previous seasons attached to it i think it would have been regarded very well. The reason people hate it is because it didn't do a good job of explaining all the mysteries that the showrunners had built up over the previous seasons, they botched some by giving shallow unsatisfactory answers and completely ignored others. But if you look at the quality of it in isolation it's very good, the finale would be considered top notch with it's emotional ending and wrapping up of every characters story in a decent manner if it didn't have the expectations that it did. And the same goes for a lot of the other things in that season.
Such a good scene
i thought the sawyer pulling the rope from the ground were the well was would be here.
i feel like this has to do with CERN
Take a physics class, please
Can anyone answer this for me why did mib get stuck in Locke body according to that girl ( who was suppose to be Jacob daughter) she told Ben he can't change forms anymore
@FanaticmusicMatt Lol, funy how that works out for the MIB in the end (taking the form of Locke).
im glad someone agrees with me
The music change at 1:40 is epic!
@Transformers217 Where did you get that date from?
What the hell is Bosch talking about?
Imagine everyone hating you for wanting to get off a deserted island and see the world.
Valuable point
all life ceases to exist if he does so ☹
may God love you, as he loved Jacob!!
This like naruto, Kaguya is mother and these two are hagaramo and his brother
@Damon242 I think the creators talked about it on some interview. But I'm not too sure.
Jacob should have kept quiet…wanting to leave the island isn’t bad….
Black smoke monster causing deaths everyone would be bad!
Jacob may be innocent but he is far from immature and neither is Samuel (The Man in Black's actual name) when Titus Welliver was brought on the show the character he portrayed was called only 'samuel' and there was something about making him an executive in the present time or some weird plot like that but I guess they figured making him the Smoke Monster was better
MiB - Man in Black? I like both characters, I think it gives more interest in history, is funny to think that they are the oldest civilizations on the island. and have been lots of people of various cultures ... I even liked that MiB exit the island to see what he was doing, if they kill all or or was doing some matches, or living your life lol
Can someone please suggest me a show like Lost?? i love this show with all my heart and i hated to see it end
R N Battlestar Galactica, Oz, the wire
@@acerpro101 he said... LIKE LOST!... so no... sorry man.
E C i was looking at it from a different perspective, the way i saw it, at the moment, was those shows are all great character centric and you hate that the series is over once you finish.
So...yeah
There is no show like lost...
the 100?
seems like same dagger that Dogen gave to Said
It is. That's the whole fuck you dogan sent to mib. Mib has been trying for 2000 years to get someone to stab Jacob like that and dogan does it to mib with 1 try. And with the same knife he killed mother with
Great scene. I don't get why so many people hated this episode and said it explained nothing. Really? It told us the story of Jacob and how his brother became turned into the black smoke, and who the cave skeletons are from season 1. Don't ya think those things are kind of important? LoL idiots.
How old is jacob ? or his adopted mother?
He's about 2,000 years old when he dies. I'm pretty sure, however, that this scene was before he was immortal, so probably as old as he looks. As for his "mother", who knows. She's even more mysterious than Jacob and MiB.
Jacob's mother (Claudia), judging from her clothes, hairstyle, skin color and also the fact that she speaks only Latin, we can conclude that she and her people came from Rome. Back then the Island was probably in Mediterranean near the Italian Peninsula. So from that info, Jacob is about 3,000 to 2,000 years old
@@craftalaser id like to think she's of ancient Greek times or earlier
This scene was set in 44 AD so he was almost 2000 years old when he died