This is why in between coffees typically 4-5 hours or so, I experience a sensation of being "disassociated" from reality. It scared me to death I'll never forget that feeling. As if I was dreaming but awake. I actually went to a Neurologist who asked me point blank "do you drink coffee?" He said it's called Derealization and it can be brought on by many different things but caffeine is a HUGE chemical that can cause it. That scared me straight and I quit in 2015. It was a horrible year of my life to say the least and my sleep circadian rhythm was also directly impacted by my caffeine addiction. So that was my form of withdrawal. It wasn't being tired or cranky. It was full blown Disassociated states. And migraines. Thanks!
@@ruschev2 You can overcome it. Some people use medicine and some therapy- the general "thing" seems to be Acceptance. As if oh ok I have a freckle on my nose, okay. Accepted. And even though you feel it, act like you don't. Fake "feeling normal'. If that makes any sense at all.... I'm really very sorry you have to struggle with this. If you want to elaborate I'd be happy to listen! Truth be told I was prone to depersonalization young. Before I started drinking coffee and I dont know why...but I have somewhat of an idea... trauma based perhaps idk. I cannot remember. All I know within my control is Caffeine simply magnified the disassociation for me x50 billion. So.. I understand. And if I helped anyone to lessen the feeling by cutting coffee then I'm glad! (and weed, it's no bueno for those prone to depersonalization) You will be okay though. If you believe you'll be okay genuinely, then you will be if that makes sense. You must be a very mentally strong individual. Have a good day. Skip the coffee lol
@@fortune. yeah I know what you mean. Don't worry for me I've had this shit since I was like ten. It's been over 15 years now, so I'm used to it. You are right about getting better because I also now believe anything can be overcome in life with knowledge and effort. I do think caffeine worsens me too, especially the anxious part of it. I rarely consume caffeine these days though, maybe a bit once or twice a month tops. You were wise to quit coffee - that can become a crutch and lead a person to becoming even more tired and burnout long term which I found to also be super important for staying sane when suffering from any mental illness. The silver lining of my illness has been that I learned SO MUCH about real health since I was a teenager. I know how to eat healthy now and hoe to cook homemade meals. Everything I eat is natural and unprocessed. I know which foods to avoid; for example I quit soda a long ass time ago (and instantly saw a massive drop in free floating anxiety). Haven't been to mcdonalds since maybe 2016, etc. Gluten free for almost 2 years now that also helps a lot. Theres a strong link between chronic inflammation and chronic mental illness, thankfully this is becoming more mainstream knowledge in recent years.
@@fortune. one more thing you are right about weed. Every single time I tried weed in the past, it made me basically demented. Even tiny amounts completely ruin me and I cant function at all, I have to go lay down and wait for it to subside lmao. I believe what's happening is that my brain cells are super tired already, so when I take weed it "over relaxes" them and therefore turns me into basically someone with dementia who can't remember anything.
Hey if anyone else has depersonalization and also cant tolerate weed, please let me know. So far I might be the only person in my circle who literally cant tolerate even super small amounts of THC. Especially if you also get severe memory lapses like I do.
This is why i only dring energy drinks on days that i either didn't get much sleep, or days that i know i have a ton of work to do. Caffeine is a tool to use, not abuse.
I’ve been battling an opioid addiction and the withdrawals I experienced when I quit were so intense that even thinking about that experience weeks later makes me sick. Addiction is incredibly painful
@@Dimitris_Half It's actually worse depending on perspective. You can function and not feel tired for not drinking alcohol. But your entire body and mind will feel sleepy unless you overdose yourself with caffeine. Making you being incapable to do anything than sleep most of your days until your body get's back to the neutral state.
@@Dimitris_Half "annoying headache" rofl you just proved that you haven't. Human brain's receptors literally change their cells during high coffeing usage to make them tired. Without coffee you wouldn't do anything but sleep.
I am lucky most substances like caffeine make me feel like shit, making me extremely cautious about other substances as well. I drink caffeine and it's like "Best I can do is poop and anxiety." I just drink a little coffee at random, as a treat, because latte and ice coffee tastes nice and have less coffee per unit. Hormones can cause issues too though. If you stop taking a hormone-based birth control for longer than the usual 1 week stop period, you may develop headaches and stuff.
Not talking about coffee, that's for sure, the pain that you suffer in every fiber of your body, every muscle, every organ and every bone is excruciatingly atrocious. Not to mention how weak and dizzy you feel, but also and the shaking and the constant inner unrest. And then there is the vomiting and diarrhea, often at the same time. You sweat, but you're cold. You're restless, but you're lethargic and you can't breath properly. A runny nose, watering eyes... Those are only the physical symptoms. On top of them there are the psychological ones which can definitely be worst. If I had to say though, which symptom is the worst, I'd definitely say "the sleep deprivation over weeks". All in all a journey to hell and back... if you're lucky.
i only drink caffeine sparingly. like lorazepam for my anxiety. i'd rather tough out smaller hurdles of fatigue and stress, build some tolerance, than not having the full effect when i need it. same for any substance, smaller pains, etc. even when you're super healthy you can't feel ok 100% of the time.
After my medical insurance was cancelled three years ago, I *cold turkey* quit taking large doses of Fluvoxamine and Lorazepam I have been on for decades. Miraculously, it didn’t result in any major issues and the symptoms I was medicating didn’t change significantly anyway. Hopefully some weird, underlying problem wasn’t caused without my knowledge. In hindsight, it was a pretty stupid, reckless thing to do.
The only thing I had was relief and uncontrollable shakiness when I got off my meds. Like I was freezing the whole time. They went cold turkey on me when I got off them since I was in an, unrecoverable state.
I used to have caffeine everyday rather it be Diet Coke or coffee I used to have it every day And not only was it unhealthy but it was also expensive so now I just have coffee like every few days like on Sunday and Wednesday And that thing about seizures I used to get those all the time but in the last 3 years I haven’t had any
I'm really happy I'm not prone to addiction. I've gone weeks without caffeine on holiday without even noticing a change. I never got into smoking, weed or vaping even though I tried most of them etc. I got lucky I guess
Is there a healthy way or strategy to lower dependency on these substances while keeping withdrawal effects to a minimum? I drink a decent amount of caffeine, but the real habit I'm trying to kick is sugar. My plan was to try to lower and lower my intake steadily until my body was okay with the lower level of consumption, but it hasn't been working because I'll get a craving and indulge in it
You literally just have to not give in to the craving. Or just take a bite or sip of something instead of the whole thing. Its all about self control This is kind of rich coming from me though because Im like hardcore addicted to caffeine at the moment but my job doesnt make it easy to quit or lower intake 😅
The solution to this is to just keep drinking the coffee. I replaced Vyvanse with coffee to treat my adhd and life’s been great since then. There’s no way Vyvanse is healthier than coffee and docs wanted me on that for the rest of my life so…. 🤷🏾♂️
Not saying this is necessarily the case for you but you would be surprised how many people get a headache now and again just due to being dehydrated! Coffee also doesn't help if you're already not drinking a lot of water. I used to get headaches a lot as a kid until I got older and realised I literally just didn't drank enough water everyday. It's stupid but it helps me a lot.
@@fgqgqlfqsfsffeff i always thought that morning must drink coffee so that i can wake up, until one morning im so thirsty i chug whole bottle of water, then shower and prepare for the day until i realise that i havent drink any coffee, i was like "why do i feel so woke", now its my routine to drink water after waking up, honestly the effect of drinking enough water is insane
@@fgqgqlfqsfsffeff First thing I do in the morning is drink around a liter of water mixed with about 60g of sugar and some lime juice. No, sugar is not poison. Our entire bodys energy system runs off it and it will give you an instant dopamine boost. Ever since doing that I wake up hydrated, energized and I get that nice warm caffeine buzz and no jitters or anything. As you said being properly hydrated changes so much and sometimes it can take weeks or even months of properly hydrating every day to be actually fully hydrated. I also do this before bed and it calms me down so much since I go to bed energized and hydrated and you can sleep much easier and better with that dopamine boost.
I'm dependent on opiods and I'm not looking forward to quitting lol luckily for me I guess I am "just" physically dependent, not psychologically. That makes it a tiny bit better.
If you ever get over your pain (if you still have it) and need to kick the opioids, you can use psychedelics for that. Ibogaine is the most efficient one of them.
@@kkech1 There's a whole bunch of things I cannot take due to my two neurological conditions unfortunately. But there are other conventional treatments available to me, hence why I would need to come off Tramadol before trying something else.
Don't get it twisted, it had changed our brain chemistry bro. You are physically and emotionally and spiritually whatever, your addicted. You're an addict. You ARE psychologically and phisiology dependent. Quit. Right now. See how your psyche is. Quitzilla will affect you too
Should be okay to use it daily, but only if you can stick to one cup early in the morning. The half life is +-6h if I remember correctly, so by evening it should've left the system to allow sleep to set in.
Yes 1 time a week is the best. Because then you have no withdrawals and you feel naturally awake and if you do take it you feel AMAZING! I drink Coffein everyday and since drinking a lot of it I am always tired. The more I drink the more tired I become. And when I stop drinking itI I get withdrawals... That is the worst state. Even with Coffein it seems I don't even reach the normal awake state/ baseline anymore... 🥴 The best would be to make a 2 week break and then to drink it not more then 1 time per week.
Why would you drink it at all. 1 cup of coffee in the morning, just a cup of red wine for resveratrol, just a little meth on weekends for fun. What's the harm?
This is why in between coffees typically 4-5 hours or so, I experience a sensation of being "disassociated" from reality. It scared me to death I'll never forget that feeling. As if I was dreaming but awake. I actually went to a Neurologist who asked me point blank "do you drink coffee?" He said it's called Derealization and it can be brought on by many different things but caffeine is a HUGE chemical that can cause it. That scared me straight and I quit in 2015. It was a horrible year of my life to say the least and my sleep circadian rhythm was also directly impacted by my caffeine addiction. So that was my form of withdrawal. It wasn't being tired or cranky. It was full blown Disassociated states. And migraines. Thanks!
Thats my life but permanent basically. And so many more others living like this because of trauma and shit. Happy for you that you got out of it
@@ruschev2 You can overcome it. Some people use medicine and some therapy- the general "thing" seems to be Acceptance. As if oh ok I have a freckle on my nose, okay. Accepted. And even though you feel it, act like you don't. Fake "feeling normal'. If that makes any sense at all.... I'm really very sorry you have to struggle with this. If you want to elaborate I'd be happy to listen! Truth be told I was prone to depersonalization young. Before I started drinking coffee and I dont know why...but I have somewhat of an idea... trauma based perhaps idk. I cannot remember. All I know within my control is Caffeine simply magnified the disassociation for me x50 billion. So.. I understand. And if I helped anyone to lessen the feeling by cutting coffee then I'm glad! (and weed, it's no bueno for those prone to depersonalization) You will be okay though. If you believe you'll be okay genuinely, then you will be if that makes sense. You must be a very mentally strong individual. Have a good day. Skip the coffee lol
@@fortune. yeah I know what you mean. Don't worry for me I've had this shit since I was like ten. It's been over 15 years now, so I'm used to it. You are right about getting better because I also now believe anything can be overcome in life with knowledge and effort. I do think caffeine worsens me too, especially the anxious part of it. I rarely consume caffeine these days though, maybe a bit once or twice a month tops. You were wise to quit coffee - that can become a crutch and lead a person to becoming even more tired and burnout long term which I found to also be super important for staying sane when suffering from any mental illness. The silver lining of my illness has been that I learned SO MUCH about real health since I was a teenager. I know how to eat healthy now and hoe to cook homemade meals. Everything I eat is natural and unprocessed. I know which foods to avoid; for example I quit soda a long ass time ago (and instantly saw a massive drop in free floating anxiety). Haven't been to mcdonalds since maybe 2016, etc. Gluten free for almost 2 years now that also helps a lot. Theres a strong link between chronic inflammation and chronic mental illness, thankfully this is becoming more mainstream knowledge in recent years.
@@fortune. one more thing you are right about weed. Every single time I tried weed in the past, it made me basically demented. Even tiny amounts completely ruin me and I cant function at all, I have to go lay down and wait for it to subside lmao. I believe what's happening is that my brain cells are super tired already, so when I take weed it "over relaxes" them and therefore turns me into basically someone with dementia who can't remember anything.
Hey if anyone else has depersonalization and also cant tolerate weed, please let me know. So far I might be the only person in my circle who literally cant tolerate even super small amounts of THC. Especially if you also get severe memory lapses like I do.
Thank you for doing everything in your power to help others.
This is why i only dring energy drinks on days that i either didn't get much sleep, or days that i know i have a ton of work to do. Caffeine is a tool to use, not abuse.
I’ve been battling an opioid addiction and the withdrawals I experienced when I quit were so intense that even thinking about that experience weeks later makes me sick. Addiction is incredibly painful
Caffeine and alcohol are the most accepted substances that make you dependent or even addicted to them. Stay safe out there.
@@Dimitris_Half It's actually worse depending on perspective. You can function and not feel tired for not drinking alcohol. But your entire body and mind will feel sleepy unless you overdose yourself with caffeine. Making you being incapable to do anything than sleep most of your days until your body get's back to the neutral state.
@@Dimitris_Half not saying alcoholism isn't issue. Just saying that sleepiness can actually ruing lives.
@@Dimitris_Half rofl try stopping coffee after drinking several cups a day for years and come back and say that 🤣
@@Dimitris_Half "annoying headache" rofl you just proved that you haven't. Human brain's receptors literally change their cells during high coffeing usage to make them tired. Without coffee you wouldn't do anything but sleep.
@@Dimitris_Half I do have but you proved that your IQ is so low that you can't even lie about that you had stopped drinking coffee as heavy drinker.
I am lucky most substances like caffeine make me feel like shit, making me extremely cautious about other substances as well. I drink caffeine and it's like "Best I can do is poop and anxiety." I just drink a little coffee at random, as a treat, because latte and ice coffee tastes nice and have less coffee per unit.
Hormones can cause issues too though. If you stop taking a hormone-based birth control for longer than the usual 1 week stop period, you may develop headaches and stuff.
This is why I'm ditching caffeine. Now that I've found a better sleep rhythm, caffeine has too many negatives.
withdrawal symptoms suck
Not talking about coffee, that's for sure, the pain that you suffer in every fiber of your body, every muscle, every organ and every bone is excruciatingly atrocious. Not to mention how weak and dizzy you feel, but also and the shaking and the constant inner unrest.
And then there is the vomiting and diarrhea, often at the same time. You sweat, but you're cold. You're restless, but you're lethargic and you can't breath properly. A runny nose, watering eyes... Those are only the physical symptoms. On top of them there are the psychological ones which can definitely be worst.
If I had to say though, which symptom is the worst, I'd definitely say "the sleep deprivation over weeks".
All in all a journey to hell and back...
if you're lucky.
i only drink caffeine sparingly. like lorazepam for my anxiety. i'd rather tough out smaller hurdles of fatigue and stress, build some tolerance, than not having the full effect when i need it. same for any substance, smaller pains, etc. even when you're super healthy you can't feel ok 100% of the time.
After my medical insurance was cancelled three years ago, I *cold turkey* quit taking large doses of Fluvoxamine and Lorazepam I have been on for decades. Miraculously, it didn’t result in any major issues and the symptoms I was medicating didn’t change significantly anyway. Hopefully some weird, underlying problem wasn’t caused without my knowledge. In hindsight, it was a pretty stupid, reckless thing to do.
The only thing I had was relief and uncontrollable shakiness when I got off my meds. Like I was freezing the whole time. They went cold turkey on me when I got off them since I was in an, unrecoverable state.
I used to have caffeine everyday rather it be Diet Coke or coffee I used to have it every day
And not only was it unhealthy but it was also expensive so now I just have coffee like every few days like on Sunday and Wednesday
And that thing about seizures I used to get those all the time but in the last 3 years I haven’t had any
I'm really happy I'm not prone to addiction. I've gone weeks without caffeine on holiday without even noticing a change. I never got into smoking, weed or vaping even though I tried most of them etc.
I got lucky I guess
Is there a healthy way or strategy to lower dependency on these substances while keeping withdrawal effects to a minimum? I drink a decent amount of caffeine, but the real habit I'm trying to kick is sugar. My plan was to try to lower and lower my intake steadily until my body was okay with the lower level of consumption, but it hasn't been working because I'll get a craving and indulge in it
You literally just have to not give in to the craving. Or just take a bite or sip of something instead of the whole thing. Its all about self control
This is kind of rich coming from me though because Im like hardcore addicted to caffeine at the moment but my job doesnt make it easy to quit or lower intake 😅
I already get headaches a lot, so I guess I wouldn't notice if I quit caffeine
Do you drink enough water daily? Can do wonders in terms of headaches, caffeine also dehydrates.
@@fgqgqlfqsfsffeff Probably not enough when I'm working, as I only have the one bottle, but I drink plenty of water when I'm at home.
What about zolpidem dependence?
The solution to this is to just keep drinking the coffee. I replaced Vyvanse with coffee to treat my adhd and life’s been great since then.
There’s no way Vyvanse is healthier than coffee and docs wanted me on that for the rest of my life so…. 🤷🏾♂️
Are there any sources on this? I 100% agree I want to show my parents who drink 1 liter of coffee a day
Been consuming coffee everyday until I suddenly decided to stop drinking coffee for a while.
Then I was hit with these terrible headaches.
Not saying this is necessarily the case for you but you would be surprised how many people get a headache now and again just due to being dehydrated! Coffee also doesn't help if you're already not drinking a lot of water.
I used to get headaches a lot as a kid until I got older and realised I literally just didn't drank enough water everyday. It's stupid but it helps me a lot.
@@fgqgqlfqsfsffeff i always thought that morning must drink coffee so that i can wake up, until one morning im so thirsty i chug whole bottle of water, then shower and prepare for the day until i realise that i havent drink any coffee, i was like "why do i feel so woke", now its my routine to drink water after waking up, honestly the effect of drinking enough water is insane
@@fgqgqlfqsfsffeff First thing I do in the morning is drink around a liter of water mixed with about 60g of sugar and some lime juice. No, sugar is not poison. Our entire bodys energy system runs off it and it will give you an instant dopamine boost. Ever since doing that I wake up hydrated, energized and I get that nice warm caffeine buzz and no jitters or anything. As you said being properly hydrated changes so much and sometimes it can take weeks or even months of properly hydrating every day to be actually fully hydrated. I also do this before bed and it calms me down so much since I go to bed energized and hydrated and you can sleep much easier and better with that dopamine boost.
How many did you have today ? 😂 ❤your stuff 👍
I bought Brasil just to have all the coffee.
Buwahahaha (evil laugh)
I'm dependent on opiods and I'm not looking forward to quitting lol luckily for me I guess I am "just" physically dependent, not psychologically. That makes it a tiny bit better.
I wish you well king
@@TmSpeedy0407 Queen, and thanks a lot. I'm only at 110mg of tramadol daily so it shouldn't be too too bad.
If you ever get over your pain (if you still have it) and need to kick the opioids, you can use psychedelics for that. Ibogaine is the most efficient one of them.
@@kkech1 There's a whole bunch of things I cannot take due to my two neurological conditions unfortunately.
But there are other conventional treatments available to me, hence why I would need to come off Tramadol before trying something else.
Don't get it twisted, it had changed our brain chemistry bro. You are physically and emotionally and spiritually whatever, your addicted. You're an addict. You ARE psychologically and phisiology dependent. Quit. Right now. See how your psyche is. Quitzilla will affect you too
Baclofen withdrawal.
That one can kill you.
Quitting kratom. Boooze .. meth...ciggs. caffeine all at once in jail is rough... nj
So is it even worth using caffeine all the time? Seems like it would be good to only have once a week or so with that information
Should be okay to use it daily, but only if you can stick to one cup early in the morning. The half life is +-6h if I remember correctly, so by evening it should've left the system to allow sleep to set in.
Yes 1 time a week is the best. Because then you have no withdrawals and you feel naturally awake and if you do take it you feel AMAZING!
I drink Coffein everyday and since drinking a lot of it I am always tired. The more I drink the more tired I become. And when I stop drinking itI I get withdrawals... That is the worst state. Even with Coffein it seems I don't even reach the normal awake state/ baseline anymore... 🥴
The best would be to make a 2 week break and then to drink it not more then 1 time per week.
Why would you drink it at all. 1 cup of coffee in the morning, just a cup of red wine for resveratrol, just a little meth on weekends for fun. What's the harm?
There was 65 comments before mine........
Just need 3 more after mine and ill be happy >:3
is that Dr k, the quack stream therapist?
i had a soft drink addiction since i was 6, stopped drinking them a month ago with no side effects. Only had 1 migraine and that was it.