I think for Mr Nicklaus because he had so much of a turn, full back swing and speed the thought of releasing early worked well for him. Because if he held on he'd be late and blocking many shots with the speed he had in those days. Every player is different. I'm much better off thinking about holding my angle and wrist set long into the downswing. I like to feel like I'm releasing the club right at impact, but it actually happens around waist high. Great video and explanation thanks!
That is gold sir ! >> If we can learn to the land the pressure back to the lead side while we are still in the winding phase 5:04 Exactly the fealing I'm working on and it works so damn well !! And also keep the head back at the same time ! Thanks Milo !
I will admit I have not been able to do the hockey stick drill. What has worked wonders for me is using a combination of Milo's drills. I used the hanger training aid, i stand the club up on the way back, and if i land on my left leg, only then can my hips unwind properly. As someone who has been early extending for years, I now know how important landing on the left side actually is. If you don't land on that left side to start the downswing, you can forget clearing the hips. Correct me if I am wrong Milo.
I just noticed that it's a release from the top, not a throw from the top. I believe it's let go of tension (and loosen the grip and forearms) at the top perhaps.
If you want to "hold off" and hit a low, chippy 7-iron 170yds into the wind, would you consider that "fighting the release." Like for the Foundation 2 swing, am I actively fighting to do the REVERSE of flipping the club? It's a very useful shot for me. I'm just trying to understand it. (I joined Milo's academy about a month ago and my handicap has melted. No, I'm not paid. I've been grinding pretty hard for about 7 years and Milo has is it figured out the best, in my opinion.)
What Jack means is that you don't drag the handle, the right arm has to straighten even if the wrist angle is held. Better players have to fire their arms to catch up to their rotation but most high handicappers are the opposite. See it every time I play.
Great video, Milo. I love this subject because it illuminates the distinction between feel and real and modern data-based instruction and earlier pre-trackman instruction. I remember first hearing Monte Scheinblaum instruct that one should throw the lead wrist angle from the top, ulnar deviation, which blew my mind. Casting! No!! Jack N didn't have the benefit of Hack Motion, 3D capture or even accessible slo-mo video, but even if he had, this might be an area that is not yet measurable. I've concluded that the truth is, the wrists are an "open hinge". They simply react to the rest of the bodies movement, specifically the lowering of the lead arm. If the pivot point, which is the left hand, is moving faster than speed of the "unhinging" than the angle between the trail wrist and the left arm will actually decrease, so it will measure on Hack Motion or look on camera as if one is "holding the angle". However, it the pivot point is moving slower or not at all, the angle will increase and it will look as if someone is throwing the angle--when in either case, the lead wrist is simply passive. Interestingly, your preferred grip works really well with the trail wrist extension and the ulnar/radial deviation of the lead wrist. In other words, one can ulnar deviate from the top and it doesn't affect the right wrist extension, which is where lag and forward-shaft lean come from. I love the way this feels with a strong lead hand and "neutral" trail hand. Cheers!
Great comment! Lots to unpack and mentally digest. Next is the physical execution of. I recently saw a coach say slow left hand and fast right, which makes some sense. Nicholas once said that the right arm just goes along for the ride .
What are your thoughts on Rotary Swing's analysis of Tiger's swing where he says the first thing that tiger does at the top before transition is begin to throw the hands RIGHT before he puts the pressure into the lead leg and lead heel? I have been practicing daily for 10 months now and i can hit the ball well. Obviously not every swing am I hitting buttery shots off the center, but there are a few things driving me nuts. During a lesson last week with a new pro he wanted me to try to obtain and then maintain a bowed lead wrist, which stopped me from generating the natural physics type lag that I can generate when I swung the way i did before. Granted, this did lead me to gaining a bit of shallowness, but it wasn't affecting my face to path angle dramatically. The club was traveling a bit more right, but I don't even want to hit draws on every shot.
Hi Milo, I noticed after your pressure shift you start to unwind your upper body/head towards the target vs others who pressure shift and keep their back towards the target. Are those 2 just different styles of releasing? Do you prefer one over the other? Thanks!
This is an amazing video and explanation! One question for you: if you never release the club, could that be a cause for shanking? I imagine that holding tension in the downswing can lead to an open face and hitting the dreaded hosel shot.
Milo, everything you described here happens because people are simply swinging in the wrong direction. If you swing in the proper direction all these things happen naturally and out of necessity not out of a manipulated effort. Nearly everyone is under a false perception of how the golf club works and they don't even know it. Therefore they try to make the club do what they think it should do but that's not how a golf club works so they just keep trying harder and harder until they're so frustrated that the clubs end up at the bottom of the lake. It's frustrating to see a good player use a club with little effort and yet no matter how hard they try it won't work for them and they never ask themselves, "maybe he's using it differently than I am?"
@@MiloLinesGolf Excuse me if I sound condescending, I don't mean to be, but I don't think you're quite understanding. What most everyone is attempting to do is move the clubhead in the direction of the desired ball flight. Essentially they're trying to push the ball toward the target rather than hitting the ball and sending it toward the target. Those two actions are very different. That's what's so unique about a golf club. It's like no other tool that we know. The golf club is not a baseball bat, cricket bat, tennis racket or hockey stick, it's completely different and works in a way that is very counter-intuitive and literally everyone has an idea or perception as to how it works which is completely false and they're completely unaware of it. I'm working on a video comparing a golf club to a boomerang. I imagine you know how to throw a boomerang and if you do you also know that anyone who doesn't know how, usually thinks they do know how, until they try what they think they need to do and it fails miserably. Then, because they're so sure of their belief, they usually blame the boomerang and say, "this thing sucks. It doesn't work." When someone shows them how to throw it correctly they often go into a long rant about how and why they believed what they did, as if anyone cares. It's like a student getting a math problem wrong - they always want to explain why they got it wrong. I had a math professor who would immediately shut this down. "Do not infect the rest of the class with why you got the answer wrong! We only care about getting it correct." The point is it's an ego thing. People have a hard time accepting the fact that their most fundamental belief, something they've believed for years, is absolutely wrong.
I like that explanation. What would you say is the percentage of right arm ve left arm for generating power ? Nicholas once said ..the right arm just goes along for the ride. Thank you for a great lesson and drill !!
Milo did Jack talk about external rotation or anything resembling a baseball pivot? The answer is no. Jack never flatten the golf club nor were his shoulders 15 to 25 degrees open at impact. Why? Because he physically could not swing like Hogan nor should he. Joint flexibility, body type rule the order in which we move. Your personal golf swing is fantastic but how can your method be the preferred method when everyone is built different. Big Jack reverse C full random release & threw the club down the target. Your preferred method does not align with this swing model. Just saying what I feel needs to be said & same goes for EliteSchools. No question mid core - low core looks more circular on the shaft plain but obviously it’s not preferred for some or most players. Glad you are trying to bring it back to reality for most players over 40 - 50 thanks 😊
First off anyone that has worked with me for any period of time knows that I’m not really a method teacher and I will taylor my approach to the students needs. You are correct that our mobility and body type plays a very significant role in how we swing and those elements are fluid. As a player gets into better shape or ages changes in how they swing will occur. There is no one way to swing a club but the principles of how we load and unload most efficiently as humans are constant but what that will look like is individual
Oh and in the clinic Jack gave our membership he did talk quite a bit about how a baseball swing and side arm throwing motion has many similarities to the golf swing. Jack flattened the shaft more than most but it was coming from more upright so it never looked super “shallow” I’d also argue that Jack’s pattern of more extension and lateral movement in the pelvis is much harder on the body than more rotary patterns. He had multiple injections in his spine starting in his teens and later many hip and back surgeries.
Milo - Jack swing was extremely hard on the body. Metal spikes hanging back ect. But without any question Jacks shoulders at impact were not open to any degree you proclaim is the preferred method. Personally, I like your swing better than Mr. Nicklaus - but Jacks going to look more like Matt Wolf or Miller Barber than you! Jack swung his arms ferociously & never stuck his finish in light he played a fade. There was little torso rotation as you strongly suggest in the majority of your videos. This goes back to a players rotator cuff flexibility xyz. In the end the “player with the best set of hands” will be able to save it, in the end. Tiger most likely had the best set of hands in our lifetime. Appreciate the video & reply. Thanks for your help 😊
I just watched “Jack” say “bring the hands into the hitting area with my wrists still fully cocked”. It’s unfortunate that Earl Woods never wrote a book on the golf swing!
@ “Jack Nicklaus describing a leverage golf swing”, @golfgreen735 on TH-cam. I think I saw another TH-cam video with Jack saying it to but I couldn’t find it. I think if you can create lag at the transition sure you can try to feel an early release but who can do that?
@@STEVE-lk2ft Jack said "By pushing with the right leg and shifting weight to his left foot which Automatically brings his hands fully cocked into the hitting”. This suggests wrists are not forcibly cocked into hitting area but happens naturally with no tension and the correct sequence. This is No different than what Milo demonstrated.
I was just commenting on Jack saying he could release the wrists as hard as he could from the top. I’ve heard it several times and don’t doubt he said it. When you create as much lag as a tour player or Jack Nicklaus then you can probably have that feeling but I think it is the worst advise you could give to 90% of golfers who actually don’t create any lag.
From top of BS to impact is less than 1/4 second. That is too short a time to know where are hands are in space in real time. Too short a time to consciously control the complex chain action. There is time at top of BS for a singular intention. Get the intention correct and let the body move where it needs to move is all that we can do. No one can consciously control body parts after the DS begins is the folly of golf instruction.
The definition of casting and the release can be a bit different for each person, based on their grip and matchups, and understanding. How would you define it?
@@MiloLinesGolf just simply point of deceleration to transfer energy into club head. when I hit a bunker shot I release early. I'd never tell someone to cast their club to hit a good bunker shot. When people cast they are trying to hold the release angle. opposite of releasing actually
th-cam.com/video/gc07oTSlJaY/w-d-xo.html These are examples of different intents. If you think you can consciously control your body once DS has begun, then have a person or lights of different color give you a signal once DS has already begun eg green light means Tip out, yellow means casting, and red means Holding Clearly 1/4 second is too short a time period to consciously control this complex chain action once DS begins. Dont try.
@@MiloLinesGolf Every complex chain action requires a singular intent. Change any link within that chain action and the singular intent has to be changed. Change the singular intent and the complex chain action will be different. The only time we have for that singular intent is before the DS begins.
How do you think of releasing the golf club?
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Really timely video. There are so many different opinions on this. I love how you cycle through the different options. Thanks Mucho.
You bet, here's an additional video that ties in: th-cam.com/video/gc07oTSlJaY/w-d-xo.html
I think for Mr Nicklaus because he had so much of a turn, full back swing and speed the thought of releasing early worked well for him. Because if he held on he'd be late and blocking many shots with the speed he had in those days. Every player is different. I'm much better off thinking about holding my angle and wrist set long into the downswing. I like to feel like I'm releasing the club right at impact, but it actually happens around waist high. Great video and explanation thanks!
That is gold sir ! >> If we can learn to the land the pressure back to the lead side while we are still in the winding phase 5:04
Exactly the fealing I'm working on and it works so damn well !! And also keep the head back at the same time !
Thanks Milo !
Love it!
I will admit I have not been able to do the hockey stick drill. What has worked wonders for me is using a combination of Milo's drills. I used the hanger training aid, i stand the club up on the way back, and if i land on my left leg, only then can my hips unwind properly. As someone who has been early extending for years, I now know how important landing on the left side actually is. If you don't land on that left side to start the downswing, you can forget clearing the hips. Correct me if I am wrong Milo.
Glad you’re seeing progress even if you haven’t gotten the hockey drill down.
I just noticed that it's a release from the top, not a throw from the top. I believe it's let go of tension (and loosen the grip and forearms) at the top perhaps.
You and I are on the same page.
If you want to "hold off" and hit a low, chippy 7-iron 170yds into the wind, would you consider that "fighting the release." Like for the Foundation 2 swing, am I actively fighting to do the REVERSE of flipping the club?
It's a very useful shot for me. I'm just trying to understand it.
(I joined Milo's academy about a month ago and my handicap has melted. No, I'm not paid. I've been grinding pretty hard for about 7 years and Milo has is it figured out the best, in my opinion.)
Yes, F2-style is great for those sorts of shots! Thanks so much for following along and great to hear you are seeing progress 👊.
What Jack means is that you don't drag the handle, the right arm has to straighten even if the wrist angle is held. Better players have to fire their arms to catch up to their rotation but most high handicappers are the opposite. See it every time I play.
Thanks for sharing
Great video, Milo. I love this subject because it illuminates the distinction between feel and real and modern data-based instruction and earlier pre-trackman instruction. I remember first hearing Monte Scheinblaum instruct that one should throw the lead wrist angle from the top, ulnar deviation, which blew my mind. Casting! No!!
Jack N didn't have the benefit of Hack Motion, 3D capture or even accessible slo-mo video, but even if he had, this might be an area that is not yet measurable. I've concluded that the truth is, the wrists are an "open hinge". They simply react to the rest of the bodies movement, specifically the lowering of the lead arm. If the pivot point, which is the left hand, is moving faster than speed of the "unhinging" than the angle between the trail wrist and the left arm will actually decrease, so it will measure on Hack Motion or look on camera as if one is "holding the angle". However, it the pivot point is moving slower or not at all, the angle will increase and it will look as if someone is throwing the angle--when in either case, the lead wrist is simply passive. Interestingly, your preferred grip works really well with the trail wrist extension and the ulnar/radial deviation of the lead wrist. In other words, one can ulnar deviate from the top and it doesn't affect the right wrist extension, which is where lag and forward-shaft lean come from. I love the way this feels with a strong lead hand and "neutral" trail hand.
Cheers!
I believe the wrist are as you said an open hinge just as it is in a throw muscular effort only impedes the correct timing.
Great comment! Lots to unpack and mentally digest. Next is the physical execution of. I recently saw a coach say slow left hand and fast right, which makes some sense. Nicholas once said that the right arm just goes along for the ride .
What are your thoughts on Rotary Swing's analysis of Tiger's swing where he says the first thing that tiger does at the top before transition is begin to throw the hands RIGHT before he puts the pressure into the lead leg and lead heel?
I have been practicing daily for 10 months now and i can hit the ball well. Obviously not every swing am I hitting buttery shots off the center, but there are a few things driving me nuts. During a lesson last week with a new pro he wanted me to try to obtain and then maintain a bowed lead wrist, which stopped me from generating the natural physics type lag that I can generate when I swung the way i did before. Granted, this did lead me to gaining a bit of shallowness, but it wasn't affecting my face to path angle dramatically. The club was traveling a bit more right, but I don't even want to hit draws on every shot.
@@ChrisSavage94 here is an experiment I did with different releases. th-cam.com/video/gc07oTSlJaY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ivu_vrr0bsrgyGxY
@@MiloLinesGolf thx!
Excellent video, it should be a primer for understanding the true power source of the golf swing..
Thanks for watching Michael!
Hi Milo, I noticed after your pressure shift you start to unwind your upper body/head towards the target vs others who pressure shift and keep their back towards the target. Are those 2 just different styles of releasing? Do you prefer one over the other? Thanks!
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Using a downshift board as Milo suggests is the very definition of athleticism .
Doing so is much easier said than done
One of your best videos
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Always appreciate your video's Milo. Could you also define this move to the left as "recentering"?
Yes some have
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Thank you sir!
This is an amazing video and explanation! One question for you: if you never release the club, could that be a cause for shanking? I imagine that holding tension in the downswing can lead to an open face and hitting the dreaded hosel shot.
Depends on how you do it. One way I control trajectory is by doing just that but the hands still have to work around the arc.
@@MiloLinesGolf appreciate the explanation, thank you Milo!
Any time!
Have you seen the posture pod I was able to come across one was curious if you that it’s good or worth it thanks Milo
It’s a good product for helping you understand correct pelvic movement
Milo, everything you described here happens because people are simply swinging in the wrong direction. If you swing in the proper direction all these things happen naturally and out of necessity not out of a manipulated effort. Nearly everyone is under a false perception of how the golf club works and they don't even know it. Therefore they try to make the club do what they think it should do but that's not how a golf club works so they just keep trying harder and harder until they're so frustrated that the clubs end up at the bottom of the lake. It's frustrating to see a good player use a club with little effort and yet no matter how hard they try it won't work for them and they never ask themselves, "maybe he's using it differently than I am?"
Yes most people swing directly to the ball and nothing good happens with that concept
@@MiloLinesGolf Excuse me if I sound condescending, I don't mean to be, but I don't think you're quite understanding. What most everyone is attempting to do is move the clubhead in the direction of the desired ball flight. Essentially they're trying to push the ball toward the target rather than hitting the ball and sending it toward the target. Those two actions are very different. That's what's so unique about a golf club. It's like no other tool that we know. The golf club is not a baseball bat, cricket bat, tennis racket or hockey stick, it's completely different and works in a way that is very counter-intuitive and literally everyone has an idea or perception as to how it works which is completely false and they're completely unaware of it. I'm working on a video comparing a golf club to a boomerang. I imagine you know how to throw a boomerang and if you do you also know that anyone who doesn't know how, usually thinks they do know how, until they try what they think they need to do and it fails miserably. Then, because they're so sure of their belief, they usually blame the boomerang and say, "this thing sucks. It doesn't work." When someone shows them how to throw it correctly they often go into a long rant about how and why they believed what they did, as if anyone cares. It's like a student getting a math problem wrong - they always want to explain why they got it wrong. I had a math professor who would immediately shut this down. "Do not infect the rest of the class with why you got the answer wrong! We only care about getting it correct." The point is it's an ego thing. People have a hard time accepting the fact that their most fundamental belief, something they've believed for years, is absolutely wrong.
For me it's one motion from start to finish, for me its not a backswing and downswing its one motion while staying in balance. Good video ty.
Love that!!
Great tips
Thanks!
In order to better understand your video here, could you please define “release”? or in other words, WHAT are you “releasing”?
In my view release is the most over used term in golf and my definition is the unwinding of loaded wrist angles.
I like that explanation. What would you say is the percentage of right arm ve left arm for generating power ? Nicholas once said ..the right arm just goes along for the ride. Thank you for a great lesson and drill !!
@@jmack619 yeah. right arm just goes along for the ride like when you throw a ball
@@shibazzmcgurk5354 I should have added , he said the left arm hits the ball, right arm just goes along for the ride. Maybe the opposite is also ok ?
@@jmack619 I have no idea both of my arms feel like structured ropes so it’s hard to say which is being used more
Milo did Jack talk about external rotation or anything resembling a baseball pivot? The answer is no. Jack never flatten the golf club nor were his shoulders 15 to 25 degrees open at impact. Why? Because he physically could not swing like Hogan nor should he. Joint flexibility, body type rule the order in which we move. Your personal golf swing is fantastic but how can your method be the preferred method when everyone is built different. Big Jack reverse C full random release & threw the club down the target. Your preferred method does not align with this swing model. Just saying what I feel needs to be said & same goes for EliteSchools. No question mid core - low core looks more circular on the shaft plain but obviously it’s not preferred for some or most players. Glad you are trying to bring it back to reality for most players over 40 - 50 thanks 😊
First off anyone that has worked with me for any period of time knows that I’m not really a method teacher and I will taylor my approach to the students needs. You are correct that our mobility and body type plays a very significant role in how we swing and those elements are fluid. As a player gets into better shape or ages changes in how they swing will occur. There is no one way to swing a club but the principles of how we load and unload most efficiently as humans are constant but what that will look like is individual
Oh and in the clinic Jack gave our membership he did talk quite a bit about how a baseball swing and side arm throwing motion has many similarities to the golf swing. Jack flattened the shaft more than most but it was coming from more upright so it never looked super “shallow” I’d also argue that Jack’s pattern of more extension and lateral movement in the pelvis is much harder on the body than more rotary patterns. He had multiple injections in his spine starting in his teens and later many hip and back surgeries.
Milo - Jack swing was extremely hard on the body. Metal spikes hanging back ect. But without any question Jacks shoulders at impact were not open to any degree you proclaim is the preferred method. Personally, I like your swing better than Mr. Nicklaus - but Jacks going to look more like Matt Wolf or Miller Barber than you! Jack swung his arms ferociously & never stuck his finish in light he played a fade. There was little torso rotation as you strongly suggest in the majority of your videos. This goes back to a players rotator cuff flexibility xyz. In the end the “player with the best set of hands” will be able to save it, in the end.
Tiger most likely had the best set of hands in our lifetime. Appreciate the video & reply. Thanks for your help 😊
I just watched “Jack” say “bring the hands into the hitting area with my wrists still fully cocked”. It’s unfortunate that Earl Woods never wrote a book on the golf swing!
Do you have a link for the quote?
@ “Jack Nicklaus describing a leverage golf swing”, @golfgreen735 on TH-cam. I think I saw another TH-cam video with Jack saying it to but I couldn’t find it. I think if you can create lag at the transition sure you can try to feel an early release but who can do that?
@ “Jack Nicklaus describing a leverage golf swing” TH-cam.
@@STEVE-lk2ft Jack said "By pushing with the right leg and shifting weight to his left foot which Automatically brings his hands fully cocked into the hitting”. This suggests wrists are not forcibly cocked into hitting area but happens naturally with no tension and the correct sequence. This is No different than what Milo demonstrated.
I was just commenting on Jack saying he could release the wrists as hard as he could from the top. I’ve heard it several times and don’t doubt he said it. When you create as much lag as a tour player or Jack Nicklaus then you can probably have that feeling but I think it is the worst advise you could give to 90% of golfers who actually don’t create any lag.
Also makes me think of George Knudson advice.
He was a striker
I’m holding on with light grip pressure I am not trying to release the club…. It just happens.
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From top of BS to impact is less than 1/4 second. That is too short a time to know where are hands are in space in real time. Too short a time to consciously control the complex chain action.
There is time at top of BS for a singular intention.
Get the intention correct and let the body move where it needs to move is all that we can do.
No one can consciously control body parts after the DS begins is the folly of golf instruction.
I disagree. Although changes may appear slight, I think it can have a drastic effect on the shot. Watch this: th-cam.com/video/gc07oTSlJaY/w-d-xo.html
You did, yes.
What is your comment in regards to?
You DID communicate the information Milo.
Thanks for watching!
casting != releasing.
The definition of casting and the release can be a bit different for each person, based on their grip and matchups, and understanding. How would you define it?
@@MiloLinesGolf just simply point of deceleration to transfer energy into club head. when I hit a bunker shot I release early. I'd never tell someone to cast their club to hit a good bunker shot. When people cast they are trying to hold the release angle. opposite of releasing actually
I bet your neighbors love your net in the backyard
My neighbor has one of his own haha.
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These are examples of different intents.
If you think you can consciously control your body once DS has begun, then
have a person or lights of different color give you a signal once DS has already begun
eg green light means Tip out, yellow means casting, and red means Holding
Clearly 1/4 second is too short a time period to consciously control this complex chain action
once DS begins. Dont try.
A person can most certainly screw up or disrupt the chain reaction in the downswing with improper concepts.
@@MiloLinesGolf Every complex chain action requires a singular intent.
Change any link within that chain action and the singular intent has to be changed.
Change the singular intent and the complex chain action will be different.
The only time we have for that singular intent is before the DS begins.
At about 7:05 of the video Milo starts to glow like the angel he is
Hahaha the light aligned