I was wondering why there are only 21K subscribers! It should be at least 1M. This is the best channel that teaches science of welding in a simple way! Thank you.
Thanks for the kind words. I haven’t been around making videos for long so everything will come with time. I never really set a goal with sharing knowledge, I just focus on answering questions and making content to help people understand how things work. It’s a definite challenge but I enjoy it and it gives me purpose 😀
I appreciate all channels lending welding education. Some have clearly invested in the production an neatness. But the best is finding a good teacher. Well explained, to the point, i learn very quick from guys like this. He is one of my favorites👍
Thanks for the kind words. It’s all about simplifying things so everyone understands, and then giving the common things to avoid to reduce frustration. Having gone from not being able to weld anything to fixing everything, the mistakes I made help me to share what not to do lol.
You're quickly ascending to the top of YT information for welding- Crisp arc shots, concise explanation..... I've been farm/hobby welding for 35 years and learn something from each of your videos. I'll definitely be sharing these with my 13 & 14 yo boys. Thanks!
I have watched probably 100’s of hours of welding vids over the past 5 years, and they have taught me to some degree, how to stitch steel together with lighting. But your vids are hands down the best I’ve ever seen. I could have saved a good many of those hours if I would have just found you first. Finally everything I’m doing is actually making since, and for that I thank you!! Well, back to binge watching you vids. Thanks again!!!
Thanks for you very kind comment 😀. I am glad I could make a difference in your journey of learning to weld. It makes me happy to think that people can become better at something (and maybe believe in themselves a bit more) via a video or two I made. It’s definitely worth the effort on my part 😀
So i accidentally forgot to release this video a week or two ago 😅. This should have been out before my 6010 uphill video, and that is what I referenced at the end of this video. Hope you enjoy this and learn something 😀.
haven't gotten thru the entire video, but I must say this is great explanation of how these rods function. appreciate the detailed analysis. good job!!
You are correct. It’s very common for people learning to weld to produce good looking 6013,7014, and even 7018 welds. Then when they get to 6010 they struggle with very inconsistent welds. Every flaw in technique and every inconsistency in movement and arc gap is captured in a 6010 weld. It is possible to learn to weld with 6010, the only downside is if a person doesn’t have a high resistance to frustration they can give up before they get good. If you do learn with it, then other rods will be far easier.
Thanks for the kind words 😀. My goal is to give people some knowledge and the motivation to better themselves. That’s what makes it worth while making the videos, knowing I made a (small) bit of difference for someone 😀
Thanks Greg for the excellent explanations during these tutorials. The term"arc force" was awesome because it was evident during the video. Using arc force, speed of travel, and arc manipulations gives great techniques. I find lighting to be very important for staying on the line. Try adding a spotlight over the subject.
Very good learning video! It seems that whip and pause is kind of like doing repeated tie ins. I might get to try some 6010 welding for the first time this weekend!
It is in a way. In many cases with 6010 and 6011 flat out run better with movement because it helps the flux burn off equally. If the flux burns off more on one side of the rod the arc becomes unstable. 6011 and 6010 are great rods for a lot of jobs so don’t be afraid to try them out 👍
@@makingmistakeswithgreg Tried 6010 today, long weekend here. Very hard to do stringers. Whip and pause was better, but need to practice a lot more to get the bead more even. Sometimes, when ending the bead, the flux would stay on fire and then it was impossible to start again. Harder than 6013, but should be ok with more practice. Thanks for your teachings.
Absolute love your comments and the analysis that follows. I guess these results also apply for 6011 (which I have), albeit maybe with somewhat less penetration. Good stuff, Cheers.
They will totally apply to 6011. To me 6011 welds like a more fluid 6010. 6011 does seem to take a pinch more amperage to get it to equal 6010 for bead flatness, so don’t be afraid to add 5-10 more amps with it 😀
Can confirm. When I last ran 6011, I used the techniques described regarding 6010 - whip and pause, hold a tight arc, etc - *once I found a 6011 that didn’t scare the daylights out of me!* I first tried Lincolns - they were intimidating! Tried Forney, and it was tamer enough that could recall the instruction.
100% 6011 and weld it vertical down. Welding downhill limits penetration which is a problem on thicker steel. On thin stuff penetration isn’t a issue. Depending on how thin switching to 1/16th rods over 3/32 might be desirable. Running 1/16th 6013s may also help. I won’t sugar coat it, there becomes a point where stick is impossibly difficult to weld, I would say anything thinner than 1/16th material in a vertical position will be very difficult. Switching to flux core wire makes it significantly easier.
Greg, question for you. At time 12:30 into the video, you state that your ability to see a reference point for laying a straight bead is impaired. Is it the limitations of the welding helmet or ?
The first pass I made I lost the reference point of the edge of the plate. In the case of the video, it was likely caused by the plate and the welding table being the same bright/shiny metal finish. At the right angle of viewing it will be very difficult to determine where the plate edge is and what is straight. Had I started the bead directly on the edge, scribed a line to follow, or done something to improve visibility, I could have made a bead that was more parallel to the plate edge. Sometimes if a welding shade is too dark it can make it hard to see as well.
So as a mostly full time welder probably 9 years. As a full time welder the last 4. I got started because I owned a vehicle I needed some welding done on and I couldn’t find anyone to do it. I ended up taking it to a welding shop and they did a poor job on it. Rather than sitting around relying on other people I made the decision to learn to weld. Much like everything else I take interest in I became very good fast and researched all aspects of it 😀👍
Hey, if you had 12 gauge steel to weld. What method of welding would you use? Stick or flux core if it were your only 2 options? If stick, what electrode size and number?
So 12ga is just under 1/8th. Both stick and flux core can weld that no problem. For me personally I would likely weld it with 3/32 7018 rods at about 85amps or 3/32 6010/11 rods at probably 55-60amps if it didn’t need absolute strength. If what needed to be welded has a lot of vertical up, overhead, or weird angle welds I would use flux core. Flux core is far more forgiving with “out of position” welds. If you are more confident with one over the other definitely use the one you’re better at. A 90% solid flux core weld is stronger than a 60% quality 7018.
Quick question, started your channel a few days ago and binging through your vast knowledge and teachings! Thanks for everything, was wondering, do you ever do a video on smaller sheet metals? Or give tips on rods/welds for smaller materials or good techniques. Want to get some good tips before I burn holes in some tool boxes before actually fixing them 😂
I did do some mini stick rod videos, but no doubt they are difficult to use. The best solution to thin material welding is either flux core or short circuit Mig besides tig. I will be doing some thin material videos with mig shortly 😀
Nice stuff man. Still keeping it real with nice detailed real world stuff :) Speaking of real world, and 6010/6011, If you are bored, perhaps a video on 6010/6011 vs 6013 vs whatever for welding thin (14-20 gauge) metal in fillets, butt, etc. Recently repaired a lawn mower which needed replacing a chute kind of thing, probably about 3 feet of weld on 20 gauge, and it was quite the learning experience. I personally found 6010 on electrode negative at around 25-35 amps depending on the weld type, to be the easiest and most reliable, using very quick little circles and moving fast along the weld seam. I really really struggled with 6013, even though they were 2mm / 5/64 rods. The 6010 was 3/32. 7016 (twin coated, Kobe LB-52U) also worked quite well with quick weaves, though tended to do short runs of a few inches before it looked like it was about to blow through. For the life of me I cannot seem to get 6013 to work reliably on actual thin metal no matter what I try, but I keep reading and hearing that it's the rod for thin metal. :) Anyway, 6010/6011 are awesome, very multi purpose rods, cheers for the video and keep up the good work :)
Great idea. No doubt welding thin stuff with stick is a challenge. I welded in a shock tower on a ford escape with 1/16th rods, and never swore so much in my life 😂. I have 1/16th 7018s, 7014s, 6011s, and 6013s. I also have 5/64 7014s. Sometime soon I will have to give it a go again, atleast on sheet metal thicker than rusty auto body lol.
After hearing all this and that about 6010, I’m not a huge fan. I’m sticking wit 6011 for the win. But I will say I hated 6011 when I first started stick welding couple months ago. So it’s possibly me being as shitty as them milawaukee M12 die grinders 😂
The main benefits to 6010 is it has more penetration and it’s even faster to freeze. I have a tendency to use red rod 6010 which produces a very rough bead and stupid good penetration. It is very difficult to use for someone without very consistent hand movement. It also produces non stop undercut that you have to be very careful to move slow enough to fill. 6011 is a much easier to control rod, and for most things produces a far better looking bead. 6010 red rod is pretty amazing at making garbage metal somehow solid. As long as the metal has enough mass that the 6010 red rod doesn’t just blow through it, whatever trash is present it will weld right through and make it all solid metal. Just don’t attempt to weld thin material with it lol.
@@makingmistakeswithgreg yea I made some Swiss cheese 🧀 tonight using 1/8” red rod 6010, beads looked like ass, and it kept burning out it burns so fast, I kept having to restart it, not sticking just the arc was hauling ass, maybe I was just running her too hot but dang my 6011 runs good up there around 100 tho
Thats very common lol. With 6010 and 6011 the hardest part to get down is feeding the rod when it comes to welding t-joints. Because the rod doesnt deposit much metal, you must move slower on a t joint than a flat plate. Moving slower requires feeding more rod in per inch. If you simply feed 10-15% more rod per inch of weld on a t-joint, keep the arc gap tight, and you try to be smooth, it should go much better for you. I wont sugar coat it, learning 6010 is rough for a while lol.
@@makingmistakeswithgreg yeah im getting more of a hang of it. I started using two hands now so my wrist doesn’t move like a paint brush as i move further along lol
26:40 So how then, so many Profesional welders, after beading the root on a pipe, barely clean the slag and don't wary so much about trapping it within the folowing pass which is the Hot pass. They burn it out! I think You are not so right about it! And those guys are dealing with NDT on a daily basis! Say this to the Weld Professor for example!!! I don't want to be rude , but it's confusing to me, how You try to sound as an institution and a welding instructor, but often times saying things "i think, assume" and so on, and not being 100% truth.
Couple things: 1) I never claim to be a professor, or a welding institution. 2) you are comparing other peoples opinions to mine, and you don’t have a understand of what you’re talking about yourself. This is a problem because you don’t understand why certain things are done a certain way. Let me explain some things so you understand. 1) what is done on pipe is not what’s done in other trades. You will not see iron workers doing multiple pass 6010 on anything structural. Welding pipe is a very small part of welding and what they do cannot be used as a gold standard for everything, they are a small exception. 2) Every pipe welder owns a grinder with a wire wheel and uses it. They don’t just “barely clean the slag” you are mistaken. They buff it off the best they can. They may go back and angle grind the toe to clean it out better if it needs it. Yes you can run over unclean toes with a hot pass with 6010, however let’s see you run over a 6010 pass with a 7018 with minimal cleaning like you’re suggesting, and pass X-ray. It won’t happen. I say a lot of things like “I think” and “I assume”because there are certain things you should do, and you can make a opinion on how to do them. Those are my opinions, as is everything on the internet. I am sharing my opinion on what you should do, and the video is geared for beginners, which is why I am not sure why you are comparing a beginner video to high level pipe welding. From face value think of what your literal argument against my video is: you are literally saying you barely need to clean the slag between passes and just burn it out. Show me one welding school that has that opinion, that’s not what is taught. No, minimal slag on the toes in the weld are not a issue if you run 6010 over the top of it, but under no circumstances do you “barely clean it”. You can do whatever you want with welding. The truth is every weld you should do your best to prep before, and after. If you want to run 6010 all day and do no prep, that’s your opinion. I don’t teach that because your average person can’t run 6010 well and telling them “just burn through it” instead of prepping is asking for failures. You also must understand that comparing people who get paid to do a job and make more money doing it fast has no relation to what the average person should be doing. In no way shape or form is more prep a bad thing. So I am not sure what factual basis your argument stands on, or why you feel I am wrong. We have a disagreement on how much prep is needed it seems. I can spend more time prepping things to assure success, and teach that good habit to others. You can do the minimal, and gain nothing but increased risk. Atleast that’s how I see it
I was wondering why there are only 21K subscribers! It should be at least 1M. This is the best channel that teaches science of welding in a simple way! Thank you.
Thanks for the kind words. I haven’t been around making videos for long so everything will come with time. I never really set a goal with sharing knowledge, I just focus on answering questions and making content to help people understand how things work. It’s a definite challenge but I enjoy it and it gives me purpose 😀
Have you shared his videos?
I appreciate all channels lending welding education. Some have clearly invested in the production an neatness. But the best is finding a good teacher. Well explained, to the point, i learn very quick from guys like this. He is one of my favorites👍
Thanks for the kind words. It’s all about simplifying things so everyone understands, and then giving the common things to avoid to reduce frustration. Having gone from not being able to weld anything to fixing everything, the mistakes I made help me to share what not to do lol.
You're quickly ascending to the top of YT information for welding- Crisp arc shots, concise explanation..... I've been farm/hobby welding for 35 years and learn something from each of your videos. I'll definitely be sharing these with my 13 & 14 yo boys. Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. I am all about helping people out and sharing knowledge, glad you found some useful stuff 😀.
Just perfect for a refresher on how to use 6010! Thanks Greg
It’s all about smooth movement and feeding rod 😀. Once you get the rhythm it becomes easy.
I have watched probably 100’s of hours of welding vids over the past 5 years, and they have taught me to some degree, how to stitch steel together with lighting. But your vids are hands down the best I’ve ever seen. I could have saved a good many of those hours if I would have just found you first. Finally everything I’m doing is actually making since, and for that I thank you!! Well, back to binge watching you vids. Thanks again!!!
Thanks for you very kind comment 😀. I am
glad I could make a difference in your journey of learning to weld. It makes me happy to think that people can become better at something (and maybe believe in themselves a bit more) via a video or two I made. It’s definitely worth the effort on my part 😀
So i accidentally forgot to release this video a week or two ago 😅. This should have been out before my 6010 uphill video, and that is what I referenced at the end of this video. Hope you enjoy this and learn something 😀.
haven't gotten thru the entire video, but I must say this is great explanation of how these rods function. appreciate the detailed analysis. good job!!
Once people get used to them more will find 6010/11 useful for projects 😀
Seems like 6010 is great to learn on because the fast freeze really exaggerates the effect of your technique-great feedback to have.
You are correct. It’s very common for people learning to weld to produce good looking 6013,7014, and even 7018 welds. Then when they get to 6010 they struggle with very inconsistent welds. Every flaw in technique and every inconsistency in movement and arc gap is captured in a 6010 weld. It is possible to learn to weld with 6010, the only downside is if a person doesn’t have a high resistance to frustration they can give up before they get good. If you do learn with it, then other rods will be far easier.
Keep it up and eventually you’ll hit 100k subscribers. From one of your original student ! Thanks a lot
Thanks for the kind words 😀. My goal is to give people some knowledge and the motivation to better themselves. That’s what makes it worth while making the videos, knowing I made a (small) bit of difference for someone 😀
Thanks Greg for the excellent explanations during these tutorials. The term"arc force" was awesome because it was evident during the video. Using arc force, speed of travel, and arc manipulations gives great techniques. I find lighting to be very important for staying on the line. Try adding a spotlight over the subject.
Very good learning video! It seems that whip and pause is kind of like doing repeated tie ins. I might get to try some 6010 welding for the first time this weekend!
It is in a way. In many cases with 6010 and 6011 flat out run better with movement because it helps the flux burn off equally. If the flux burns off more on one side of the rod the arc becomes unstable. 6011 and 6010 are great rods for a lot of jobs so don’t be afraid to try them out 👍
@@makingmistakeswithgreg Tried 6010 today, long weekend here. Very hard to do stringers. Whip and pause was better, but need to practice a lot more to get the bead more even. Sometimes, when ending the bead, the flux would stay on fire and then it was impossible to start again. Harder than 6013, but should be ok with more practice. Thanks for your teachings.
Thanks for your time sir Great job
You're entirely welcome 😀
Excellent demo Greg, carry on.
Absolute love your comments and the analysis that follows. I guess these results also apply for 6011 (which I have), albeit maybe with somewhat less penetration. Good stuff, Cheers.
They will totally apply to 6011. To me 6011 welds like a more fluid 6010. 6011 does seem to take a pinch more amperage to get it to equal 6010 for bead flatness, so don’t be afraid to add 5-10 more amps with it 😀
Can confirm. When I last ran 6011, I used the techniques described regarding 6010 - whip and pause, hold a tight arc, etc - *once I found a 6011 that didn’t scare the daylights out of me!*
I first tried Lincolns - they were intimidating! Tried Forney, and it was tamer enough that could recall the instruction.
Outstanding video. I really learned a lot from watching you!
Thanks for the kind comment. I am
Glad your learning a lot 😀. I have a ton more to share 😃
Another great video!
What rod do you recommend for thin, rusty, vertical welding?
100% 6011 and weld it vertical down. Welding downhill limits penetration which is a problem on thicker steel. On thin stuff penetration isn’t a issue. Depending on how thin switching to 1/16th rods over 3/32 might be desirable. Running 1/16th 6013s may also help. I won’t sugar coat it, there becomes a point where stick is impossibly difficult to weld, I would say anything thinner than 1/16th material in a vertical position will be very difficult. Switching to flux core wire makes it significantly easier.
Greg, question for you. At time 12:30 into the video, you state that your ability to see a reference point for laying a straight bead is impaired. Is it the limitations of the welding helmet or ?
The first pass I made I lost the reference point of the edge of the plate. In the case of the video, it was likely caused by the plate and the welding table being the same bright/shiny metal finish. At the right angle of viewing it will be very difficult to determine where the plate edge is and what is straight. Had I started the bead directly on the edge, scribed a line to follow, or done something to improve visibility, I could have made a bead that was more parallel to the plate edge. Sometimes if a welding shade is too dark it can make it hard to see as well.
Grest videos. I was wondering can you share how long you've have been welding,?How you got started...ect? Thanks.
So as a mostly full time welder probably 9 years. As a full time welder the last 4. I got started because I owned a vehicle I needed some welding done on and I couldn’t find anyone to do it. I ended up taking it to a welding shop and they did a poor job on it. Rather than sitting around relying on other people I made the decision to learn to weld. Much like everything else I take interest in I became very good fast and researched all aspects of it 😀👍
Hey, if you had 12 gauge steel to weld. What method of welding would you use? Stick or flux core if it were your only 2 options? If stick, what electrode size and number?
So 12ga is just under 1/8th. Both stick and flux core can weld that no problem. For me personally I would likely weld it with 3/32 7018 rods at about 85amps or 3/32 6010/11 rods at probably 55-60amps if it didn’t need absolute strength. If what needed to be welded has a lot of vertical up, overhead, or weird angle welds I would use flux core. Flux core is far more forgiving with “out of position” welds. If you are more confident with one over the other definitely use the one you’re better at. A 90% solid flux core weld is stronger than a 60% quality 7018.
Quick question, started your channel a few days ago and binging through your vast knowledge and teachings! Thanks for everything, was wondering, do you ever do a video on smaller sheet metals? Or give tips on rods/welds for smaller materials or good techniques. Want to get some good tips before I burn holes in some tool boxes before actually fixing them 😂
I did do some mini stick rod videos, but no doubt they are difficult to use. The best solution to thin material welding is either flux core or short circuit Mig besides tig. I will be doing some thin material videos with mig shortly 😀
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Nice stuff man. Still keeping it real with nice detailed real world stuff :)
Speaking of real world, and 6010/6011, If you are bored, perhaps a video on 6010/6011 vs 6013 vs whatever for welding thin (14-20 gauge) metal in fillets, butt, etc. Recently repaired a lawn mower which needed replacing a chute kind of thing, probably about 3 feet of weld on 20 gauge, and it was quite the learning experience. I personally found 6010 on electrode negative at around 25-35 amps depending on the weld type, to be the easiest and most reliable, using very quick little circles and moving fast along the weld seam.
I really really struggled with 6013, even though they were 2mm / 5/64 rods. The 6010 was 3/32. 7016 (twin coated, Kobe LB-52U) also worked quite well with quick weaves, though tended to do short runs of a few inches before it looked like it was about to blow through.
For the life of me I cannot seem to get 6013 to work reliably on actual thin metal no matter what I try, but I keep reading and hearing that it's the rod for thin metal. :)
Anyway, 6010/6011 are awesome, very multi purpose rods, cheers for the video and keep up the good work :)
Great idea. No doubt welding thin stuff with stick is a challenge. I welded in a shock tower on a ford escape with 1/16th rods, and never swore so much in my life 😂. I have 1/16th 7018s, 7014s, 6011s, and 6013s. I also have 5/64 7014s. Sometime soon I will have to give it a go again, atleast on sheet metal thicker than rusty auto body lol.
When I was on the pipelines, every weld was x-rayed.
After hearing all this and that about 6010, I’m not a huge fan. I’m sticking wit 6011 for the win. But I will say I hated 6011 when I first started stick welding couple months ago. So it’s possibly me being as shitty as them milawaukee M12 die grinders 😂
The main benefits to 6010 is it has more penetration and it’s even faster to freeze. I have a tendency to use red rod 6010 which produces a very rough bead and stupid good penetration. It is very difficult to use for someone without very consistent hand movement. It also produces non stop undercut that you have to be very careful to move slow enough to fill. 6011 is a much easier to control rod, and for most things produces a far better looking bead. 6010 red rod is pretty amazing at making garbage metal somehow solid. As long as the metal has enough mass that the 6010 red rod doesn’t just blow through it, whatever trash is present it will weld right through and make it all solid metal. Just don’t attempt to weld thin material with it lol.
@@makingmistakeswithgreg yea I made some Swiss cheese 🧀 tonight using 1/8” red rod 6010, beads looked like ass, and it kept burning out it burns so fast, I kept having to restart it, not sticking just the arc was hauling ass, maybe I was just running her too hot but dang my 6011 runs good up there around 100 tho
Awesome
Glad you liked it 😀👍
Your cut and etching is a great way to show the effectiveness of what you're doing. Great job!
I can do them alright flat but they look like dogshit when i weld t joints lol
Thats very common lol. With 6010 and 6011 the hardest part to get down is feeding the rod when it comes to welding t-joints. Because the rod doesnt deposit much metal, you must move slower on a t joint than a flat plate. Moving slower requires feeding more rod in per inch. If you simply feed 10-15% more rod per inch of weld on a t-joint, keep the arc gap tight, and you try to be smooth, it should go much better for you. I wont sugar coat it, learning 6010 is rough for a while lol.
@@makingmistakeswithgreg yeah im getting more of a hang of it. I started using two hands now so my wrist doesn’t move like a paint brush as i move further along lol
I heard the only whippin' that should be going on should be the whippin' of the helpers. 😁
Haha 😂. Only until the moral improves
@@makingmistakeswithgreg that's the pause 😉
26:40 So how then, so many Profesional welders, after beading the root on a pipe, barely clean the slag and don't wary so much about trapping it within the folowing pass which is the Hot pass. They burn it out! I think You are not so right about it! And those guys are dealing with NDT on a daily basis! Say this to the Weld Professor for example!!!
I don't want to be rude , but it's confusing to me, how You try to sound as an institution and a welding instructor, but often times saying things "i think, assume" and so on, and not being 100% truth.
Couple things: 1) I never claim to be a professor, or a welding institution. 2) you are comparing other peoples opinions to mine, and you don’t have a understand of what you’re talking about yourself. This is a problem because you don’t understand why certain things are done a certain way. Let me explain some things so you understand.
1) what is done on pipe is not what’s done in other trades. You will not see iron workers doing multiple pass 6010 on anything structural. Welding pipe is a very small part of welding and what they do cannot be used as a gold standard for everything, they are a small exception.
2) Every pipe welder owns a grinder with a wire wheel and uses it. They don’t just “barely clean the slag” you are mistaken. They buff it off the best they can. They may go back and angle grind the toe to clean it out better if it needs it. Yes you can run over unclean toes with a hot pass with 6010, however let’s see you run over a 6010 pass with a 7018 with minimal cleaning like you’re suggesting, and pass X-ray. It won’t happen.
I say a lot of things like “I think” and “I assume”because there are certain things you should do, and you can make a opinion on how to do them. Those are my opinions, as is everything on the internet. I am sharing my opinion on what you should do, and the video is geared for beginners, which is why I am not sure why you are comparing a beginner video to high level pipe welding. From face value think of what your literal argument against my video is: you are literally saying you barely need to clean the slag between passes and just burn it out. Show me one welding school that has that opinion, that’s not what is taught. No, minimal slag on the toes in the weld are not a issue if you run 6010 over the top of it, but under no circumstances do you “barely clean it”.
You can do whatever you want with welding. The truth is every weld you should do your best to prep before, and after. If you want to run 6010 all day and do no prep, that’s your opinion. I don’t teach that because your average person can’t run 6010 well and telling them “just burn through it” instead of prepping is asking for failures. You also must understand that comparing people who get paid to do a job and make more money doing it fast has no relation to what the average person should be doing. In no way shape or form is more prep a bad thing. So I am not sure what factual basis your argument stands on, or why you feel I am wrong. We have a disagreement on how much prep is needed it seems. I can spend more time prepping things to assure success, and teach that good habit to others. You can do the minimal, and gain nothing but increased risk. Atleast that’s how I see it
Want to learn welding??? Join the armed forces, learn for free and get paid!
Honestly it’s a far better option than a lot of the schools out there that are charging kids over 20k for a few month program.
I suck at whipping and passing
It just takes practice, if I can do it you can 😀👍