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My theory is that what Zeke got from Pandoria's Core Crystal was indeed his Eye Of Shining Justice powers(extreme power and *speed* boosts) along with probably having electric powers himself, on the battle against him on Chapter 5 in the cutscene where he goes all serious and stuff, he surrounds himself with electricity and charges at high speeds towards the party. Also, on the Torna Battle of Tantal, Zeke aparently moved fast enough to survive Jin's superspeed whatever stab and even Jin praises his "Thunderbolt Zeke" title for being the first time he ever missed a vital point with that attack
TheGreenLorelei Its his hidden affinity tree, at the highest level of Zekes tree. Zeke essentially releases the Eye and get a frame data boost and attack power.
It would make sense that he could utilize at least a portion of Pandoria's lightning power since we see both of the other Blade eaters (Amalthus and Mikhail) utilize blade abilities and/or weapons.
Jin and Nia are definitely not immortal. Yes, Jin has been alive for 500 years, but we see constantly throughout the game that he is very much on death's door and has been barely scraping by with technology for awhile. So much so that Malos tries to interfere nearly every single time Jin goes to do anything (for example, at the beginning of the game when Rex comes back, right before he goes to the core crystal convoy, etc etc.) knowing that each time Jin fights its a risk to his health. We also see Jin tuning himself in those green coffin things constantly over the course of the game as a means to keep himself alive. I think its implied that everytime Jin uses his flesh eater power it brings himself closer to death. At the end of the game he basically accepts that and uses the last of his power to kill Amaltheus before fading away.
Not really. His heart is the heart of Lora. When this heart stop beating it's over for jin. Like Nia, they could just die the next day. It's a very "on the edge" existence
@@NaomiAlicia4242564 yes, in this sense he is basically at risk of both these things. He could die at any time randomly because he's a flesh eater but also while his particle abilites are overpowered he can't use them very much given his state, he always struggles when using his powers besides chapter 6 where he was presumably 'fully charged' and he had about enough to get by before in end chapter 7 into 8 his battle using similar abilities left him greatly weakened when found in the land of Morytha
Very cool video but my only question as not ben answer does a flesh eater return as a cristal wen they die? From old age or in battle whatever? Shin is the only flesh eater you see dying in the game since both benkai and yoshitsune are absorbed by malbeni .... I know it shouldn't be canon but being abble to ave benkai and yoshitsune in Newgame+ as blades confuse me .. Let say Niyah dies for whatever reason will she return as a cristal and be awaken again or she bassically become mortal?
Very cool video but my only question as not ben answer does a flesh eater return as a cristal wen they die? From old age or in battle whatever? Shin is the only flesh eater you see dying in the game since both benkai and yoshitsune are absorbed by malbeni .... I know it shouldn't be canon but being abble to ave benkai and yoshitsune in Newgame+ as blades confuse me .. Let say Niyah dies for whatever reason will she return as a cristal and be awaken again or she bassically become mortal?
Two things wrong Luxin, one is that Patroka and Ahkos aren't very old. They have tantalese clothing, but more then that, Jin is the one who busted them out and we know that Malos only recruited him and formed Torna only a few years before the start of the series. Ahkos is also unfamilar with Judicium tech and didn't recognize the Titan Weapon. If he was older, he would have known about it from personal experience. Two, it's confirmed through other dialog that Nia didn't take the daughters name. She's always been Nia. She wasn't even a secret, the people of Torigoth knew about her and thought she was a legit daughter of the Lord. Nia was with them for quite a while, at least 4 years, maybe more. You might be right though that relationship has a lot to do with success. After all, what determines a Blades power overall? Resonance. The stronger the resonance with your Blade, i.e their trust in you, the more power they can unlock. If a Driver and Blade loved each other, that's going to create a pretty powerful Flesh Eater, as they essentially still have their Driver inside of them, helping to regulate the flow of Ether.
You're right about A&P, but I think the Nia thing was just different interpretations of the same dialog. I read it as them thinking that Nia was the lord's daughter since they looked so similar so I guess it's up in the air unless someone specifically says he had two daughters somewhere; don't remember off the top of my head if there's anyone that does.
It's a conversation you can have with the mayor. I don't remember when you can trigger it, but he talks at length about how the Lord was spending not only his own, but tax payer money to try to cure his sick daughter. Specifically mentions his having two daughters. I've seen other people speculating that Nia wasn't that old, so that cans that. Others trying to say that the Father was actually abusive and Nia suffered from Stockholm Syndrome. This conversation with the mayor destroys that as well, since it was never the Lords intention to groom Nia to take his other daughters place, it just ended up working out like that. Turns out he was one of the few who treated Blades well and his passing really messed Nia up and is probably why Dromarch is the way he is, acting very father like as that is what she desperately wanted when she awoke him.
It doesn't have to specifically be the Driver, though. Nia had consumed her Driver's daughter, not her actual Driver, and she still became a "what has science done"-tier Flesh Eater. I feel like part of the reason why Nia got messed up by her Driver's death was because she didn't know that she can't return to her Core Crystal because she became a Flesh Eater. Just a thought, though, nothing confirmed.
Louie Satterwhite except the moment he gets mythra,he's suddenley shitstomping the likes of morag and zeke(implied to solo).All this in a matter of weeks.Nevermind that even after vandhams death,he STILL acts irrationally and continues to get away with it no matter what happens.Hell,he even unlocks the "true aegis"(which is an asspull of its own),with the literal power of friendship.
If its about battle capabilities, it's established that Rex could somewhat hold his own when Malos tests him in Argentum. He manages to dodge Malos' attack and strike (granted, it gets blocked). He doesn't solo Zeke or Morag* as they attack his group in a 1v1, and if you're talking about that part near the end with the Architect's hallucinations, he doesn't beat Nia or Morag, he runs from them. With Tora and Zeke, they are beaten when he uses a desperate all-out attack from the Aegis sword and buries them in rock. Plus, Mythra's Foresight would kind of break literally everything. His excellent reaction time (again, established when Malos tested him in Argentum) combined with knowing what his foe was about to do would make any attack miss. With the Power of Friendship thing reviving Pyra/Mythra, I'm just going to leave it to, "The part of Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma in Rex worked as a backup for whatever was deleted by whatever vital functions Malos deleted (as Pneuma is a processing unit, makes sense that there would be a stored backup somewhere), and Rex was able to reconnect and restore it." The third Aegis sword came from Pyra/Mythra finally trusting Rex with their full power after their revival. That's my explanation anyway.
Rex IS a blade eater, but he's a next tier one. Much the same as your perfect flesh eater hybrids. Having half an Aegis core in you amps you up a few power tiers.
True, the difference could be that there are no ‘bad’ Blade Eater tiers. There’s just the ‘pretty damn good’ tier, with Mik and Zeke, and the ‘What has science done?!’ Tier with Rex and Amalthus.
I’d say Zeke’s speed could be an ability he got. He’s able to knock Rex and the party down in a split second in Chapter 5 and he is also able to avoid being fatally stabbed by Jin, as he states, "That’s the first time I’ve ever missed a vital point."
The reason that Jin doesnt want to resonate with other blades is because he doesn't want to "hurt" them with the knowledge that one day they'll forget him
(Minor spoilers from a line in chapter 8) I agree with everything you said except the part about the 2 higher tiers of flesh eaters retaining their immortality. In chapter 8 Nia specifically mentions that since she’s a flesh eater, she doesn’t know when she’ll die and might even just die the next day without any warning. This probably means that flesh eaters all probably have different lifespans from a few years to possibly 500+ years like Jin. This is just my opinion but other than that the video was great, keep up the good work
Armin Rafieyan Also isn‘t it implied through out the game that Jin grows weaker and has to go in to that pod thingy to sleep because his life should have ended long ago? Isn‘t that also the reason why he *Chapter 9 Spioler ahead* dies when he kills Amalthus?
Ash Ketchum (CHAPTER 9 SPOILER) I thought he died because Rex and company fought him and beat him then we had to protect when amaluthus came. Then Jin used all his power (if i can remember then dies) so it wasnt old age i think it was because he was massively weaken especially since the land of Morthya
Yeah it was specifically stated in the game that Blades lose their immortality when they become Flesh Eaters, meaning they can be killed and may suffer from after effects like Jin and Cole did.
Rigbone 64 that too, of course. But I always thought he was only alive at this point because of the capsuel thingy. I thought if he wouldn‘t sleep in it he dies. And after so many fights and a long time without his beauty sleep and then using all of his strenght he died. That‘s what I thought.
Nia, Jin, Ahkos, Patroka, and Mikhial aren't immortal. Aside from Mik, their bodies just don't age with them. Nia says in Chapter 8 that she could drop dead at any moment. When Jin has that "seizure" after his fights in Chapter 5 and 9, that was him simply dying. The only reason we ever saw him alive later was because of that capsule treatment in Chapter 8. We also see that Mikhial was a child when he got the crystal implanted in him. But he's clearly an adult now. He just aged super slowly.
Though Nia might be a very special case. She might be able to use her restorative powers on herself. She did use them successfully on Jin until he overtaxed himself severely.
So what about the fact that Jins core crystal is red, while all the other flesh eaters just get some purple/pink colours in theirs? Honestly i think Jin is in a class of his own as the one true PERFECT flesh eater, while nia was close but not really there. Considering the emphasis on that Jin consumed Loras heart specifically i would say that is the way to create the perfect tier flesh eaters, and that maybe that was what was writen in the book from his old self that he found.
Yeah but thats because he has lived for 500 years. Cole stated that flesh eaters lose their immortality and start to age. The pod thing is probably what has kept him fresh and alive after losing his immortality.
Except that cant be true since Cole/Minoth has been a flesh eater for longer than Jin since he was made in temperentia and his crystal is still blue-purple. And also in the cutscene where Jin becomes a flesh eater his crystal goes from full blue to full red, wich implies that there was something different about the process he went through to become a flesh eater.
i would think a Blade Eater of an Aegis Blade would basically be equivalent to the 'WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE' due to all the friggin powers they would have at their disposal. After all, like Malos and Mythra demonstrate many times over, Aegis' are stupid powerful even without their drivers
A lot of Lore videos state that Nia's "dad" was her driver, without citing their source. To the best of my knowledge, (that is to say, using only the English translation,) it is in fact left up in the air which of the two were her driver at the time. As long as the Sister still had a pulse up until she became a cell donor, then she is still in the running for "Original Driver".
That's true, it's never explicitly stated, but it makes more sense for it to be the father to me. The sister is in a coffin in the cutscene right after she becomes a Flesh Eater, so they'd need to have had one with all the flowers in it ready to go before she died, which isn't what I'd do if my child was sick and had even a small chance of getting better. Also she'd been sick for a good portion of her life, starting pretty young, so I'm not really sure she'd even be physically able to resonate with Blades in her state.
Luxin actually, that cutscene was after, not before. The dad talks about Nia having the daughter’s soul in her which means its post. Also, the Blade’s name was always Nia. I think there is an NPC that heavily implies this, but the naming is in line with Poppi, Pyra’s and Mythra’s Japanese names which were flower, flame and light respectively. Niyah, Her Japanese name, is based on the sound a cat makes. Great video nonetheless.
So in the game it shows that blades eat. Pyra cooks for everyone and then eats also. It’s weird that eating a human and pretty much digesting it like how Jin ate Loras heart would cause them to become flesh eaters and doing something like eating chicken wouldn’t. It’s weird but idk.
Well, the scar on Jin’s chest suggests that the ‘eating’ in question is more metaphorical. It implies that rather than ‘eating’ Lora’s heart, he just ripped it out of her chest and shoved it in his own.
I haven't seen anyone talking about normal people actually having their blade's power by stabbing themselves with their weapons, like Vandham did. In fact, I don't know why this wasn't shown more in the rest of the game when that was a cool ability, IMO. I would've liked to see what were the implications of gaining your blade's power momentarily and what were the side effects of that, aside from the big injury the driver might have.
Well, if I'm not mistaken a blade's weapon is generated directly from their core crystal. If so, then by stabbing yourself with said weapon you essentially create a direct link between the driver's body and the blade's core allowing the driver to utilize the blade's power, essentially creating a "temporary" blade eater. Though this method doesn't seem to be very well known. As was explained in the video blade eaters are the opposite of flesh eaters and come about when a "human" "consumes" or integrates part or all of a blade's core crystal into their body. Because you are establishing a direct link with the crystal you are able to utilize part or all of the blade's power similar to what was shown when Vandham "integrated" Roc's Scythes.
@@lued123 Well what Vandham did was a last resort and he certainly looked in pain when he stabbed himself with Roc's scythes from the ether flow. Keep in mind that you have to literally impale yourself with a Blade weapon to do that and unless you have an OP healer like Nia, you're most likely gonna die depending on the wound.
@@lued123 There still aren't weapons that could feasibly be used like roc's, as funny as it would be if Zeke just punched a guy after impaling himself with a huge ass sword
So here's the thing rex is not a blade eater. Mythra explains this in chapter 6. What happened between is an ability that all blades have they can willing share their core crystal with their driver to save their life. If they do so the driver gets half and the blade gets the other and the crystal is a uniform split between them, rex got the inner part pyra the outer. The reason why we don't see other blades do this in the game is because of the memory wipe, they don't know they can. Pyra and Mythra do because the aegis's have all the knowledge of the blades in them and their capabilities. And she doesn't offer the information to that to other blades because it is a last resort maneuver as it ties the blade's life completely to their driver meaning if the driver dies the blade dies and vice versa. Blade eaters don't have that restriction.
In Pyra and Mythra’s case the difference is that the process was reversable. Regular Blade Eater procedures seem to not be. In Zeke’s case it’s helping substitute for his heart so removing it would kill him.
Slight spoilers for New Game Plus (though it was part of the advertising, so eh...) And just to add to a point you made at 9:15. You say we don't know if Zeke got any additional powers from becoming a Blade Eater, to which I say: Eye of Shining Justice, anyone?
Thinking about it more, I guess this does hinge on whether or not you'd consider this one element of NG+ canon. It's the only NG+ "power" per se that I would accept as canon to the main story.
I guess now that you mention it, Minoth's driver is Amalthus and we all know how he sees Blades, the Drivers of Akhos and Patroka seems to be Xenoblade's version of Red Arrow and Chesire (Young Justice: Outsiders hype) who of course knowing they were to each other siblings. As for Nia, her Driver is to her closest to being family as the cells she obtained is the daughter of her Driver so it was a father and daughter relationship. Then of course we have Jin who's Driver is Lora whom the former raised to adulthood. 9:19 Luxin I am pretty sure the Eye of Shining Justice I would dare say his Blade Eater power. Now let's not forget that Amalthus is a Blade Eater too having the bottom half of Haze's core crystal and having her ability of Ether restriction. Now fun fact, a Flesh Eater's core crystal is stained red I believe based on what part of the human was eaten or how much of it. The logial choice would be the heart. In Jin's case, his crystal is entirely red because he devoured Lora's entire heart.
So basically Nia was a Blade who was awoken by her “sister’s” dad, and when she was first awoken she had her regular clothing on. Then she consumed the flesh of her sister, and transformed into Gormotti, as well as her true blade form. Is that correct? The story cutscenes didn’t cut it for me with this info.
Brando we don't really know whether she was her "sister" or her father's blade since it may have been possible for her sister to not be dead at the time of consumption, just dying.
9:15 First of all, the Big Bang Edge is Pandoria's weapon. When put on Rex (which can happen, but for reasons I won't reveal), the weapon isn't a staff, which it would be if it was Pandoria's true weapon. The sword just can simply have the handle taken off, and that's what Pandoria uses. However, he may have received other benefits. The cartoony (and really fast) movements you see Zeke and Pandoria use could have come from the Blade Eater process. Unleash Shining Justice, a skill you can get from the New Game + Skill Tree, gives Zeke an unbelievable speed buff, which matches that which he uses in the cutscenes. Another thing of note is that when Rex uses the Big Bang Edge (and I could be wrong about this), he doesn't use electricity, unlike Zeke, who, with the Big Bang Edge, regularly channels electricity in his Driver Arts. It's only with Pandoria, but given the nature of Zeke's Blade Eater status, that makes sense.
Honestly my least favorite thing about XC2 is how common flesh eaters were among the cast. I think the game needed more vanilla driver/blade combos so the weight of being a flesh eater was bigger. It seemed everyone in the game was some sort of eater.
Agreed honestly. X1 pulled the "different character" bit off well by just having ONE in the party... Meanwhile X2 is literally everyone except Mórag. I guess it's a nice parallel but yeah the weight was definitely smaller in X2
(Spoilers) The thing is that for the villians and Nia, it made perfect sense since Torna only took on Flesh Eaters (and Malos) as members and Nia would have to have been a member in order to be in Torna. I understand what you mean though, however I personally like how it was done. Every characters status was used to further the story.
I thought that it was related to the themes of Slaves and Masters. I thought it basically showed how blades and drivers aren't supposed to be that different.
I’m not sure if this is correct or not. Is it possible that Mikhail was implanted by a rare blades core crystal so that’s why he has a unique weapon. I MIGHT BE WRONG. But if that’s true then that means Zeke would just use Pandora’s weapon or some part of it.
Personally, I think Pandoria’s weapon was the greatsword, but when she gave half her core to Zeke, he got the blade part and she kept the handle (which became a stave)
So cole the flesh eater that scientists actually were qualified to do was a failure but Jin and Nia the ones made by in Jin’s case on his own and Nia by her father that was not a doctor but a local lord
I can see why that might seem counterintuitive, but there are instances of nature being better at its job than science in the real world. For example, female rhinos can't breed in captivity. Artificial insemination can be attempted, but it's never going to work as well as just standard breeding would have when captivity never entered the equation. I think the Judicians witnessed a process that could be done in nature, and tried to industrialize it, without knowing what was needed to make it work properly.
I believe it was stated in nia's flash back that the preatorium hunted down flesh eaters. They chased her in the flashback, and it was why akhos and patroka were locked up
My theory is that when you showed the picture of Zekes weapon, if you look to the middle in the sword, you can kinda see a staff the looks like Pandorias, so when Zeke or who ever picks it up for battle, the blade of the weapon ejects from the staff
I was always a bit confused about the "how did she get her memories" back part so I rather like that theory. Feels like there were quite a few things in the game that weren't really explained on screen and aren't deal breakers on their own but together are a bit strange to not explain. Also particle physics will never not be entertaining to think about now for me. It's just so...amazingly bizarre hahaha
The same goes for the first xenoblade when Dickson told that shulk was dead years ago and there wasn't even a shulk to begin with, and in the end he still was alive
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I think the success rate or degree of success is dependent on the bond between the blade and the person whose flesh their consuming is. It's implied that the Judician tech was merging blades with randon human flesh, which is what happened to Minoth. The other flesh eaters consumed the flesh of a person close to them, either their driver or another being they were very very close to. Akhos and Patroka ate the flesh of their drivers, as did Jin, but Nia, she ate the daughter of her driver. And as to why Jin didn't want to bond with a blade, I have to point to where he revealed himself as a flesheater. I think it's a matter of principle that he's not bonding with a blade. "Why are you the masters and we the slaves?"
I would point out that some of a flesh eater's power likely depends on their power BEFORE becoming one. After all, Jin was the Paragon of Torna WITHOUT it... Nia likely incorporated the ENITIRE existence/body, helping facilitate it to the extreme. I figure that the daughter was integrated, enabling the full potential to be made (And likely forcing the Core to adapt it's abilities, or evolve them). After all, the healing had to be used to move the body. Also, an idea I had was called 'Blood Bond' - basically a mutual exchange between Blade & Driver - Blade Eater and Flesh Eater of the other. Requires an EXTREMELY strong bond. (I theorize that it MIGHT have been able to save Lora's life...)
SPOILER warning ! Malos and Pyra/mythra aren't actually core crystals but are computer chips. This is confirmed by the game post chapter 8 and this is why pyra/mythra and malos break all the rules when it comes to blades
Is stated in the cutscenes that Nia and Jin had those powers even before the transformation, at best those abilities were lower level and got powered up with the transformation.
A thing worth mentioning is that by technicality, the Guldos found in Morytha are Blade Eaters that existed before Indol's experiments. The difference is that the Guldos were humanity's flimsy attempt at immortality that ended up turning them into horrifying monsters, whereas the modern ("modern" being the keyword following a revelation in the Torna expansion) attempts at Blade Eaters are a lot cleaner in practice and leave the human subject the same as before aside from a piece of rock embedded in them and superhuman abilities. Even when Amalthus turned himself into a monster through taking in as much Core Crystals as the Guldos, he still somewhat resembled his original self.
I don't think there's tiers, I think it's more of what the blade is that decides it. Nia is a water blade, so her powers are related to water, and she wants to protect people, so she can heal. Jin is an ice blade, so he has Absolute Zero and since he wants to destroy everything, he can manipulate particles. I think that it's just luck or who you are.
I don't get why everyone thinks that the blade eaters get their power from becoming a flesh eater. Wouldn't it just make sense that Nia and Jin already had their powers as blades?
Great video! But there were a few imprecisions, so (Spoilers) 1)It's never stated if the other tiers of flesh eaters couldn't resonate with everyone they want 2) I would put Jin in a totally different tier, because he is far stronger than Nia, as his full red crystal (opposed to the partially red crystal of the other flesh eaters) shows. But his power is also what makes him so unstable, because his body can't stand it and after some time that this power is used Jin starts to die.
My theory is that Flesh eater don't get any power boost only being able to live without drivers and not losing memory. All blade especially rare or special one are powerful and their drivers needs to find their hidden skill and unlock it. Jin already has that power just he didn't use it possibly her driver wasn't able to use it plus he hates fighting.
Immu All I'm going to say is that Nia would have had to have been an ungodly healer blade if this is the case, as she has the power to bring the recently deceased back to life
Now that Torna the golden country came out I think there’s no middle of power for a flesh eater. Because Minoth was normally powered in the dlc. I think that Akhos and Patroka would of ended up like him when he got old. I think if those two lived their life and didn’t get killed then they would be all old and stuff. That means that Akhos and Patroka are failed experiments.
*Chapter 10 Spoilers* Okay, so I know you said the Aegis was a special case, but... When Pyra/Mythra removed Rex's core crystal mark, I really wonder why he didn't fall over dead since the part that was the only reason for him to still be moving around was take out. It still bugs me whenever I watch that cutscene.
SPOILERS Pneuma can reality-warp, so she probably just remade his heart before removing the crystal. There's precedent for her to be able to heal living things since she was able to give Gramps the ability to transform back into his dragon form.
My guess is than Pryra transfered just enough life force to rex to make a new hart and just enough to let her exist long enough to do the final ACT that is my guess. The Crystal just falls off Rex after the power was use to restore Rex hart.
Malos explains it in a cutscene awhile back when they took Pyra. Pretty much an aegis's core crystal contains the data on all living things and they can live a long time without their core. The reason why Pyra could bargain with her life is because she can transfer the rest of her core to Rex and not only would it reconstruct his heart from the data in it, but it could create a new Pyra and Mythra if they died. This is why they come back at the end of the game. The reason I think they didn't do this before is that I'm guessing they didn't know they would comeback due to the core crystal also there wasn't really a reason to.
I’d love to see a flesh eater that became one by consuming monster flesh. Sort of like how Wulfric’s driver was an arachno queen. Even though most monster types that still have blades wouldn’t necessarily be considered “sentient”, it could work with something like the ignas or even a completely new type of monster
8:32 Uh........ Mikhail being a Blade Eater is also a spoiler past Chapter 7. In fact, he's revealed to be a Blade Eater AFTER the guy you said you wouldn't mention because it was after Chapter 7. Until then, he's assumed to be a Flesh Eater. The only Blade Eater that was actually revealed to be a Blade Eater in Chapter 7 or before was Zeke. 9:57 Actually, the thing is, Blade Eaters have their cores melded with their body, sorta. The fragment of Pyra and Mythra's Core Crystal that Rex got, while attached to his chest, is not melded to it. Also, it's not a true replacement for his heart, it's just there to keep him alive as his heart recovers from being stabbed. For all of those reasons, I do not believe Rex qualifies as a Blade Eater.
Mikhail got all of his blade's abilities, Amalthus got more control over ether, and Zeke, I believe, got his fast (lightning bolt) reflexes from Pandoria.
Hey man just thought I’d say that I’ve been watching your content for a while and I love when you do structured videos like this! My question though is that you said Jin was immortal, but we see him inside that husk thing. Doesn’t that keep him alive?
Some have theorized that Zeke'a wacky antics like zipping around the party quickly pre-joining and his ability to survive the kind of falls he does might be more than comedy and actually part of being a Blade Eater too.
Very nicely done, I actually hadn't heard the idea that Nia's driver was her "father" (everywhere else I've read has assumed her "sister" was her driver). The one disagreement I would have with your explanations is regarding flesh eater immortality. It seemed to me more that successful ones became immune to the appearance of physical aging, but they still had limited (albeit long) lifespans. Jin needed to go into that special chamber on a regular basis to stay alive it seemed (either that or his powers were responsible for the need for treatments), and Nia remarks in one cutscene that she has no idea how long she is going to live for, that she could die of old age the next day for all she knows. Further, in the side quest where you get to fix up Cole, it's noted by the doctor that even with his illness taken care of and Mythra having fixed up his blade side, he's still going to eventually die of old age due to his human cells.
Though Nia could be a very special case. She has restorative powers after all. Together with the techno knowledge Pyra/Mythra received in the Low Orbit station, they could devise a method to make Flesh Eaters actually immortal. Same for Blade Eaters. Malos does mention that it migt've already been possible with Judicium's technology.
Perhaps, but the game also seems to indicate that nothing is truly immortal. Even the titans themselves die of old age eventually. I took the line about getting Jin better treatment to just mean that Judicium may have been able to manage his debilitating symptoms better.
Now that we have seen Minoth in his youth being pretty darn strong despite being a failure, how can we say that Akhos and Patroka are in a tier above? They don't seam that much stronger than young Minoth. The only major difference is that Ak and Pat are much more recent, and they didn't despise their driver
He claims to have gained nothing, though, so I'm guessing aside from the obvious singular improvement, he really did gain nothing, and might even be unable to awaken core crystals. And it may not even have been his driver's cells that he took, but those of some random donor. It's likely that Minoth was simply a powerful blade when Amalthus awakened him, and while the process did give him freedom from the man he grew to despise, it came at a cost to his health, not just his longevity. It's unclear if Akhos and Patroka suffered a similar health deficiency, but it's not unreasonable to speculate that they may be more like Jin, only having suffered a cost in longevity rather than in vitality.
2:25 Well, I don’t know about Patroka, but Akhos had a couple of scenes where it seemed to imply he may have had some clairvoyant abilities, or some limited omnispective perhaps not entirely unlike Azami’s clairvoyant eye ability ( which isn’t clairvoyant at all and that drives me nuts ), if we’re to believe that becoming a flesh eater gives them special abilities, perhaps that’s for Akhos. However, do we know that flesh eaters actually gain new abilities upon becoming a flesh eater? For all we know, Nia and Jin may have had their abilities before becoming flesh eaters, on account that we have seen almost nothing of Nia’s past self, and Torna hasn’t come out yet to confirm Jin’s abilities one way or the other.
Okay Luxin. I started to watch your channel yesterday AND I LOVE IT. Xenoblade Chronicles X is my favorite Game around the world and im also interested in the hole Xenoblade-Series. Tanks for the great video and good job :) If I can ask for two wishes, please make a video about the connection between Xenoblade and Xenosaga (only if you havent done it yet. Sry if I am only to stupid to find it.) And as my second wish, plesae forgive me my bad english. Im from German. I hope your videos in the future are as great like this. Thanks. And I have a question too. Is Amalthus a Blade eater? What do you think?
It could be because I've only seen the cutscenes once so I might remember them wrong, but my perception of Nia was that she really were the daughter/sister to that Gormotti family and her father turned her artificially into a Blade in a desperate attempt to save his other daughter. I always viewed Nia like a perfect artifical Blade of some kind. Manufactured by unknown means.
The thing about Nia resonating with Rex was not Nia's doing, but Rex's. In fact, after they land in Morytha, the game reveals that Rex can resonate with any blade, even if they have resonated with other driver
Chapter 10 Spoilers The Aegises are data processing units for the Conduit. I believe the reason Pyra/Mythra retained their memories after apparently losing them to Malos is because they were still in communication with the Conduit, which retains all evolutionary information on all Blades, including their memories. Malos' core crystal was partially destroyed, interrupting communications with the Conduit, so he had to use Pyra's to restore it. That's how it read to me, anyway.
BTW, Flesh Eaters don't heal as well and no they are not immortal. Jin had to go into an Ether Bacta tank of sorts as shown twice because of heavy strain and as of chapter 9 he was no longer at his best as stated by Mythra. Nia mentions that being a Flesh Eater herself she is not immortal as normal Blades are. Now I guess the Blade Eater part does explain how Amalthus looked like he didn't age a bit for someone who is over 500 years old but it sure does not explain how Mikhail became such a perv teehee.
VanishEclipse4867 well for one amalthus is indoline and Gramps and morag said indolines live long lives and he didn’t have fans core crystal for that long
Text contains SPOILERS! When a blade becomes a flesh eater it can get quite a massive boost in strength and obtain unique powers. But what I really wonder is what happens if a truely awakened Aegis (and I'm talking not about Pyra, Mythra or Malos but Pneuma) that has the power to rewrite the laws of physics in the beginning becomes a flesh eater? The increase in power would be tremendously at least. What do you think would happen?
Pneuma gets her reality warping powers from The Conduit, so becoming a Flesh Eater wouldn't actually do much for her and might actually be a hinderance. On the other hand, considering what is needed to awaken Pneuma, if Pyra and/or Mythra were to "eat" Rex they might actually be able to retain Pneuma's from indefinitely. At least as long as The Conduit is around.
Fun fact : Morag is the only main character to be an human in her normal state : -Members of torna are all blades and one blade-eater -Amalthus is a blade-eater monster -Klaus is, well, Klaus, merely a god, with one half of his body in an other universe -Vandham is dead -Nia is a flesh-eater -Zeke and Rex got one half of the core crystal of their respective blades -Tora is a Nopon Then, Morag is the only important character that is an unaltered human. Though, this is made with very specific criters.
There's only one problem with the idea that the Greatsword is Zeke's Blade weapon and the staff is Pandoria's. Mild spoilers for chapter 8 ahead: When Rex engages Pandoria as the Master Driver, he uses the Greatsword. Best I can figure is the handle of the sword was always able to detach, like with other Blade weapons with multiple modes. Though I can concede that most of Rex's Master Driver abilities are purely on the gameplay side of things, he still canonically engages with Brighid while they're separated from the rest of the group.
This is not much of a spoilers since it happens in ch1 Malous has a blade named Sever for anyone who played though the later part of the game. SPOILERS I am sure that an Agies classed blades have the ability to resonate with core crystals
Personally I think rex and pyra/mythra/That 3rd form is similar to ash and graninja from Pokemon xyz both can reach a amilation type point where they basivly become one but for ash and graninja their thoughts and feelings must both match and be deep enough to enable the battle bond ability whole for rex and pyra they have the same thing but perminte, as for what asimalation does it grants hosted strength and reflexes at the cost of where if one takes some dmg no matter how small it also goes to their partner too which exains why pyra got hurt when rex did many a time in the story but If rex the human of the 2 takes a fatal blow then pyra/mythra also takes the fatal blow thus dying basicly making them both mortal although atonimy would suggest otherwise.
We don't know how long ago akhos and patroka became flesh eaters. They appear in no flashbacks that can be confirmed to take place 500 years ago. All we know is they were being transferred to Indol. With Indol trying to control core crystals, they would use their leverage over Tantal if it was found out about flesh eaters in Tantal. *spoiler warning* Only Mikhal is confirmed to have 500 years ago become a blade eater after he became a refugee when Torna was destroyed.
Bruh that tier list at 2:35! I also might have to disagree about Cole/Minoth. He was a beast in Torna, it's just that when we meet him as Cole, he's gotten REAALLLY old.
Personally I think in the process of transforming into a flesh-eater is not the reason why they are so powerful. Personally I think it's more of a blade Rarity effect , Jin for example is a royal blade like Bridget , Pandoria and Aegean . These blades are essentially Imperial regalia's and their Nations strongest Blades. Then we have blades like Zenobia , kos-mos,Nia and herald* who are almost as strong as Royal blades and super rare ( by the way I'm not fully sure if Herald would qualify as a Royal blade or super rare blade) but not property of any of the Royal Families. Then we'll just have the normal rare blades and lastly the common blades.
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My theory is that what Zeke got from Pandoria's Core Crystal was indeed his Eye Of Shining Justice powers(extreme power and *speed* boosts) along with probably having electric powers himself, on the battle against him on Chapter 5 in the cutscene where he goes all serious and stuff, he surrounds himself with electricity and charges at high speeds towards the party. Also, on the Torna Battle of Tantal, Zeke aparently moved fast enough to survive Jin's superspeed whatever stab and even Jin praises his "Thunderbolt Zeke" title for being the first time he ever missed a vital point with that attack
I like this and also in new game plus you get to use THE EYE OF SHINING JUSTICE making his opaf.
Owen Archibald how so? I'm in new game plus but I don't know about unlocking this... zyk has not joined my party in ng+
TheGreenLorelei Its his hidden affinity tree, at the highest level of Zekes tree. Zeke essentially releases the Eye and get a frame data boost and attack power.
Yeah, I also saw a cool theory that Pandorias orignal weapon was just the staff, and Zeke added the blade when he became a Blade Eater.
It would make sense that he could utilize at least a portion of Pandoria's lightning power since we see both of the other Blade eaters (Amalthus and Mikhail) utilize blade abilities and/or weapons.
Jin and Nia are definitely not immortal. Yes, Jin has been alive for 500 years, but we see constantly throughout the game that he is very much on death's door and has been barely scraping by with technology for awhile. So much so that Malos tries to interfere nearly every single time Jin goes to do anything (for example, at the beginning of the game when Rex comes back, right before he goes to the core crystal convoy, etc etc.) knowing that each time Jin fights its a risk to his health. We also see Jin tuning himself in those green coffin things constantly over the course of the game as a means to keep himself alive. I think its implied that everytime Jin uses his flesh eater power it brings himself closer to death. At the end of the game he basically accepts that and uses the last of his power to kill Amaltheus before fading away.
zNapella In that case Jin is only theoretically immortal. If he just gave up fighting he'd probably just keep on living
Not really. His heart is the heart of Lora. When this heart stop beating it's over for jin. Like Nia, they could just die the next day. It's a very "on the edge" existence
@@NaomiAlicia4242564 yes, in this sense he is basically at risk of both these things. He could die at any time randomly because he's a flesh eater but also while his particle abilites are overpowered he can't use them very much given his state, he always struggles when using his powers besides chapter 6 where he was presumably 'fully charged' and he had about enough to get by before in end chapter 7 into 8 his battle using similar abilities left him greatly weakened when found in the land of Morytha
Very cool video but my only question as not ben answer does a flesh eater return as a cristal wen they die? From old age or in battle whatever? Shin is the only flesh eater you see dying in the game since both benkai and yoshitsune are absorbed by malbeni .... I know it shouldn't be canon but being abble to ave benkai and yoshitsune in Newgame+ as blades confuse me .. Let say Niyah dies for whatever reason will she return as a cristal and be awaken again or she bassically become mortal?
In simple terms
Flesh Eaters = blade eats human
BladeEater= human eats blade
Very cool video but my only question as not ben answer does a flesh eater return as a cristal wen they die? From old age or in battle whatever? Shin is the only flesh eater you see dying in the game since both benkai and yoshitsune are absorbed by malbeni .... I know it shouldn't be canon but being abble to ave benkai and yoshitsune in Newgame+ as blades confuse me .. Let say Niyah dies for whatever reason will she return as a cristal and be awaken again or she bassically become mortal?
@@luthiamoonlightfrqc2905 from what I recalled, Nia is now mortal. I mean it would be overpowered of it was not the case.
Simpler term; nom nom nom
Two things wrong Luxin, one is that Patroka and Ahkos aren't very old. They have tantalese clothing, but more then that, Jin is the one who busted them out and we know that Malos only recruited him and formed Torna only a few years before the start of the series. Ahkos is also unfamilar with Judicium tech and didn't recognize the Titan Weapon. If he was older, he would have known about it from personal experience.
Two, it's confirmed through other dialog that Nia didn't take the daughters name. She's always been Nia. She wasn't even a secret, the people of Torigoth knew about her and thought she was a legit daughter of the Lord. Nia was with them for quite a while, at least 4 years, maybe more. You might be right though that relationship has a lot to do with success. After all, what determines a Blades power overall? Resonance. The stronger the resonance with your Blade, i.e their trust in you, the more power they can unlock. If a Driver and Blade loved each other, that's going to create a pretty powerful Flesh Eater, as they essentially still have their Driver inside of them, helping to regulate the flow of Ether.
You're right about A&P, but I think the Nia thing was just different interpretations of the same dialog. I read it as them thinking that Nia was the lord's daughter since they looked so similar so I guess it's up in the air unless someone specifically says he had two daughters somewhere; don't remember off the top of my head if there's anyone that does.
It's a conversation you can have with the mayor. I don't remember when you can trigger it, but he talks at length about how the Lord was spending not only his own, but tax payer money to try to cure his sick daughter. Specifically mentions his having two daughters. I've seen other people speculating that Nia wasn't that old, so that cans that. Others trying to say that the Father was actually abusive and Nia suffered from Stockholm Syndrome. This conversation with the mayor destroys that as well, since it was never the Lords intention to groom Nia to take his other daughters place, it just ended up working out like that. Turns out he was one of the few who treated Blades well and his passing really messed Nia up and is probably why Dromarch is the way he is, acting very father like as that is what she desperately wanted when she awoke him.
ok cool, thanks for clarifying
The upcoming DLC will probably explore Jin & Lora's as well as Patroka & Ahkos's pasts so perhaps we'll get some confirmation there.
It doesn't have to specifically be the Driver, though. Nia had consumed her Driver's daughter, not her actual Driver, and she still became a "what has science done"-tier Flesh Eater.
I feel like part of the reason why Nia got messed up by her Driver's death was because she didn't know that she can't return to her Core Crystal because she became a Flesh Eater. Just a thought, though, nothing confirmed.
Rex: Jin!! What did you do to her?!
Jin: I ate her.
Niblet TV Jin: She tasted pretty good.
Jin: Could use some salt though.
Though, she asked for that herself.
Jin: Could be spicier though
Jin eating a normal meal : Disgusting
Jin eating Lora: Finally some good fucking food
Nia is such a great character, Xenoblade 2 has such great characters
SyLuX636 he doesn't become OP until late in the game. Everyone is shit stomping him until chapter 7
Louie Satterwhite except the moment he gets mythra,he's suddenley shitstomping the likes of morag and zeke(implied to solo).All this in a matter of weeks.Nevermind that even after vandhams death,he STILL acts irrationally and continues to get away with it no matter what happens.Hell,he even unlocks the "true aegis"(which is an asspull of its own),with the literal power of friendship.
SyLuX636 I know right, couldn’t they make him 18? It’s really creepy that adult women are trying to fuck with a 15 year old.
If its about battle capabilities, it's established that Rex could somewhat hold his own when Malos tests him in Argentum. He manages to dodge Malos' attack and strike (granted, it gets blocked). He doesn't solo Zeke or Morag* as they attack his group in a 1v1, and if you're talking about that part near the end with the Architect's hallucinations, he doesn't beat Nia or Morag, he runs from them. With Tora and Zeke, they are beaten when he uses a desperate all-out attack from the Aegis sword and buries them in rock. Plus, Mythra's Foresight would kind of break literally everything. His excellent reaction time (again, established when Malos tested him in Argentum) combined with knowing what his foe was about to do would make any attack miss.
With the Power of Friendship thing reviving Pyra/Mythra, I'm just going to leave it to, "The part of Pyra/Mythra/Pneuma in Rex worked as a backup for whatever was deleted by whatever vital functions Malos deleted (as Pneuma is a processing unit, makes sense that there would be a stored backup somewhere), and Rex was able to reconnect and restore it." The third Aegis sword came from Pyra/Mythra finally trusting Rex with their full power after their revival. That's my explanation anyway.
This game is littered with win the battle but lose in a cutscene, i dont see how he's op in any way before Chapter 7's end
What would happen if a blade eater ate a flesh eater?
Vasko Games means They’re not bladetarians anymore
what happens when you divide by 0?
Vasko Games correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that what amalthus is technically
Thanks for destroying my mind
Jb Sprinkles you get the same amount
‘Even Nopons can be used to make Flesh Eaters.’
I need fan art of NoponPoppi NOW!
Poppi's not a real blade.
Poppi is artificial blade so wont work. Plus, it was already said that Tora have no potential. It makes Tora nosebleed for 3 days.
Rex IS a blade eater, but he's a next tier one. Much the same as your perfect flesh eater hybrids. Having half an Aegis core in you amps you up a few power tiers.
Joseph Meyer since there is flesh eater tiers it makes since that there’s blade eater tiers also
True, the difference could be that there are no ‘bad’ Blade Eater tiers.
There’s just the ‘pretty damn good’ tier, with Mik and Zeke, and the ‘What has science done?!’ Tier with Rex and Amalthus.
I’d say Zeke’s speed could be an ability he got. He’s able to knock Rex and the party down in a split second in Chapter 5 and he is also able to avoid being fatally stabbed by Jin, as he states, "That’s the first time I’ve ever missed a vital point."
I’d say the main ability he got was the Eye of shining justice.
@@axew3127 I legit thought Zeke made that up but ng+ proved me wrong.
The reason that Jin doesnt want to resonate with other blades is because he doesn't want to "hurt" them with the knowledge that one day they'll forget him
(Minor spoilers from a line in chapter 8)
I agree with everything you said except the part about the 2 higher tiers of flesh eaters retaining their immortality. In chapter 8 Nia specifically mentions that since she’s a flesh eater, she doesn’t know when she’ll die and might even just die the next day without any warning. This probably means that flesh eaters all probably have different lifespans from a few years to possibly 500+ years like Jin. This is just my opinion but other than that the video was great, keep up the good work
Armin Rafieyan Also isn‘t it implied through out the game that Jin grows weaker and has to go in to that pod thingy to sleep because his life should have ended long ago?
Isn‘t that also the reason why he
*Chapter 9 Spioler ahead*
dies when he kills Amalthus?
Ash Ketchum (CHAPTER 9 SPOILER)
I thought he died because Rex and company fought him and beat him then we had to protect when amaluthus came. Then Jin used all his power (if i can remember then dies) so it wasnt old age i think it was because he was massively weaken especially since the land of Morthya
Yeah it was specifically stated in the game that Blades lose their immortality when they become Flesh Eaters, meaning they can be killed and may suffer from after effects like Jin and Cole did.
Rigbone 64 that too, of course. But I always thought he was only alive at this point because of the capsuel thingy. I thought if he wouldn‘t sleep in it he dies. And after so many fights and a long time without his beauty sleep and then using all of his strenght he died. That‘s what I thought.
Nia, Jin, Ahkos, Patroka, and Mikhial aren't immortal. Aside from Mik, their bodies just don't age with them. Nia says in Chapter 8 that she could drop dead at any moment. When Jin has that "seizure" after his fights in Chapter 5 and 9, that was him simply dying. The only reason we ever saw him alive later was because of that capsule treatment in Chapter 8. We also see that Mikhial was a child when he got the crystal implanted in him. But he's clearly an adult now. He just aged super slowly.
Though Nia might be a very special case. She might be able to use her restorative powers on herself. She did use them successfully on Jin until he overtaxed himself severely.
I think that Monolight didn't pay attention to the explanation for how the blades and flesh earts work to be honest
Caleb Nguyen Which cutscene does she say that?
Somwere in the world tree
Mikhial only implantés the core crystal as an adult
WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE
R.I.P. cole/minoth, being categorized as Actually Kinda Bad
So what about the fact that Jins core crystal is red, while all the other flesh eaters just get some purple/pink colours in theirs? Honestly i think Jin is in a class of his own as the one true PERFECT flesh eater, while nia was close but not really there. Considering the emphasis on that Jin consumed Loras heart specifically i would say that is the way to create the perfect tier flesh eaters, and that maybe that was what was writen in the book from his old self that he found.
He wasn't perfect though, he wasn't healthy and had to be treated in that pod theory
Yeah but thats because he has lived for 500 years. Cole stated that flesh eaters lose their immortality and start to age. The pod thing is probably what has kept him fresh and alive after losing his immortality.
Jin's crystal is red because, as the flesh eater ages, it's core crystal turns red, Jin is just at the limit
Except that cant be true since Cole/Minoth has been a flesh eater for longer than Jin since he was made in temperentia and his crystal is still blue-purple. And also in the cutscene where Jin becomes a flesh eater his crystal goes from full blue to full red, wich implies that there was something different about the process he went through to become a flesh eater.
Maybe, each flesh eater has his own limit, and Jin's is shorter than Cole's
i would think a Blade Eater of an Aegis Blade would basically be equivalent to the 'WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE' due to all the friggin powers they would have at their disposal. After all, like Malos and Mythra demonstrate many times over, Aegis' are stupid powerful even without their drivers
A lot of Lore videos state that Nia's "dad" was her driver, without citing their source. To the best of my knowledge, (that is to say, using only the English translation,) it is in fact left up in the air which of the two were her driver at the time. As long as the Sister still had a pulse up until she became a cell donor, then she is still in the running for "Original Driver".
That's true, it's never explicitly stated, but it makes more sense for it to be the father to me. The sister is in a coffin in the cutscene right after she becomes a Flesh Eater, so they'd need to have had one with all the flowers in it ready to go before she died, which isn't what I'd do if my child was sick and had even a small chance of getting better. Also she'd been sick for a good portion of her life, starting pretty young, so I'm not really sure she'd even be physically able to resonate with Blades in her state.
Luxin actually, that cutscene was after, not before. The dad talks about Nia having the daughter’s soul in her which means its post.
Also, the Blade’s name was always Nia. I think there is an NPC that heavily implies this, but the naming is in line with Poppi, Pyra’s and Mythra’s Japanese names which were flower, flame and light respectively. Niyah, Her Japanese name, is based on the sound a cat makes.
Great video nonetheless.
So in the game it shows that blades eat. Pyra cooks for everyone and then eats also. It’s weird that eating a human and pretty much digesting it like how Jin ate Loras heart would cause them to become flesh eaters and doing something like eating chicken wouldn’t. It’s weird but idk.
I'm supposing it has something to do with the bond Blade and Driver have.
Well, the scar on Jin’s chest suggests that the ‘eating’ in question is more metaphorical.
It implies that rather than ‘eating’ Lora’s heart, he just ripped it out of her chest and shoved it in his own.
I haven't seen anyone talking about normal people actually having their blade's power by stabbing themselves with their weapons, like Vandham did. In fact, I don't know why this wasn't shown more in the rest of the game when that was a cool ability, IMO. I would've liked to see what were the implications of gaining your blade's power momentarily and what were the side effects of that, aside from the big injury the driver might have.
I guess using you own body as Ether supply is basicly a kamikaze move... or that the drivers chance of surviving is really small.
Well, if I'm not mistaken a blade's weapon is generated directly from their core crystal. If so, then by stabbing yourself with said weapon you essentially create a direct link between the driver's body and the blade's core allowing the driver to utilize the blade's power, essentially creating a "temporary" blade eater. Though this method doesn't seem to be very well known.
As was explained in the video blade eaters are the opposite of flesh eaters and come about when a "human" "consumes" or integrates part or all of a blade's core crystal into their body. Because you are establishing a direct link with the crystal you are able to utilize part or all of the blade's power similar to what was shown when Vandham "integrated" Roc's Scythes.
@@lued123 but there never would have been a reason for someone to do that, and most blade weapons wouldn't be able to do that
@@lued123 Well what Vandham did was a last resort and he certainly looked in pain when he stabbed himself with Roc's scythes from the ether flow. Keep in mind that you have to literally impale yourself with a Blade weapon to do that and unless you have an OP healer like Nia, you're most likely gonna die depending on the wound.
@@lued123 There still aren't weapons that could feasibly be used like roc's, as funny as it would be if Zeke just punched a guy after impaling himself with a huge ass sword
So here's the thing rex is not a blade eater. Mythra explains this in chapter 6. What happened between is an ability that all blades have they can willing share their core crystal with their driver to save their life. If they do so the driver gets half and the blade gets the other and the crystal is a uniform split between them, rex got the inner part pyra the outer. The reason why we don't see other blades do this in the game is because of the memory wipe, they don't know they can. Pyra and Mythra do because the aegis's have all the knowledge of the blades in them and their capabilities. And she doesn't offer the information to that to other blades because it is a last resort maneuver as it ties the blade's life completely to their driver meaning if the driver dies the blade dies and vice versa. Blade eaters don't have that restriction.
shadowblade1296 but Pandora basically did the same thing with zeke she just didn’t do I herself she saved him from dying
But you could call this sharing ability blade eater. Nothing disagrees with that. Also: Pandora did it too
In Pyra and Mythra’s case the difference is that the process was reversable.
Regular Blade Eater procedures seem to not be.
In Zeke’s case it’s helping substitute for his heart so removing it would kill him.
Slight spoilers for New Game Plus (though it was part of the advertising, so eh...)
And just to add to a point you made at 9:15.
You say we don't know if Zeke got any additional powers from becoming a Blade Eater, to which I say:
Eye of Shining Justice, anyone?
Thinking about it more, I guess this does hinge on whether or not you'd consider this one element of NG+ canon. It's the only NG+ "power" per se that I would accept as canon to the main story.
He mentions the eye of shining justice
I'M STIIIIIILL IN A DREEEEAAAAAM FLESH EATER
Naked blade
Ok but what the fucksicle happens if a Blade Eater is made with a Flesh Eater's Core? Science(and fanfiction) Needs to know!
The universe implodes.
Connor McClure it's probbably still a blade eater
Cannibalism?
@@evanatorextreme1065 double cannibalism
What if a Flesh Eater becomes a Blade Eater?
I guess now that you mention it, Minoth's driver is Amalthus and we all know how he sees Blades, the Drivers of Akhos and Patroka seems to be Xenoblade's version of Red Arrow and Chesire (Young Justice: Outsiders hype) who of course knowing they were to each other siblings. As for Nia, her Driver is to her closest to being family as the cells she obtained is the daughter of her Driver so it was a father and daughter relationship. Then of course we have Jin who's Driver is Lora whom the former raised to adulthood. 9:19 Luxin I am pretty sure the Eye of Shining Justice I would dare say his Blade Eater power. Now let's not forget that Amalthus is a Blade Eater too having the bottom half of Haze's core crystal and having her ability of Ether restriction. Now fun fact, a Flesh Eater's core crystal is stained red I believe based on what part of the human was eaten or how much of it. The logial choice would be the heart. In Jin's case, his crystal is entirely red because he devoured Lora's entire heart.
So basically Nia was a Blade who was awoken by her “sister’s” dad, and when she was first awoken she had her regular clothing on. Then she consumed the flesh of her sister, and transformed into Gormotti, as well as her true blade form. Is that correct? The story cutscenes didn’t cut it for me with this info.
Brando we don't really know whether she was her "sister" or her father's blade since it may have been possible for her sister to not be dead at the time of consumption, just dying.
9:15 First of all, the Big Bang Edge is Pandoria's weapon. When put on Rex (which can happen, but for reasons I won't reveal), the weapon isn't a staff, which it would be if it was Pandoria's true weapon. The sword just can simply have the handle taken off, and that's what Pandoria uses. However, he may have received other benefits.
The cartoony (and really fast) movements you see Zeke and Pandoria use could have come from the Blade Eater process. Unleash Shining Justice, a skill you can get from the New Game + Skill Tree, gives Zeke an unbelievable speed buff, which matches that which he uses in the cutscenes. Another thing of note is that when Rex uses the Big Bang Edge (and I could be wrong about this), he doesn't use electricity, unlike Zeke, who, with the Big Bang Edge, regularly channels electricity in his Driver Arts. It's only with Pandoria, but given the nature of Zeke's Blade Eater status, that makes sense.
Honestly my least favorite thing about XC2 is how common flesh eaters were among the cast. I think the game needed more vanilla driver/blade combos so the weight of being a flesh eater was bigger. It seemed everyone in the game was some sort of eater.
Morag is the only regular driver, however... I disagree, I think they made a great choice.
It’s true that the main heroes and villains had a bunch of hybrids but the rest of the world didn’t aside from cole
Agreed honestly. X1 pulled the "different character" bit off well by just having ONE in the party... Meanwhile X2 is literally everyone except Mórag.
I guess it's a nice parallel but yeah the weight was definitely smaller in X2
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The thing is that for the villians and Nia, it made perfect sense since Torna only took on Flesh Eaters (and Malos) as members and Nia would have to have been a member in order to be in Torna. I understand what you mean though, however I personally like how it was done. Every characters status was used to further the story.
I thought that it was related to the themes of Slaves and Masters. I thought it basically showed how blades and drivers aren't supposed to be that different.
I’m not sure if this is correct or not. Is it possible that Mikhail was implanted by a rare blades core crystal so that’s why he has a unique weapon. I MIGHT BE WRONG. But if that’s true then that means Zeke would just use Pandora’s weapon or some part of it.
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Almaltus was the other blade eater right?
Spoony _ yes he ate fann la norne
isnt it revealed that mik is a blade eater when he is fighting amalthud in chapter 9/10 but i might be wrong because i havent played in a while
I'd like to call him Amalthawhatever
CroBatman I want fann la norn (Haze) to be a usable blade, her passive skills could weaken blades and titans
typhlosion yeah, Mik was a Blade Eater as well.
Personally, I think Pandoria’s weapon was the greatsword, but when she gave half her core to Zeke, he got the blade part and she kept the handle (which became a stave)
So cole the flesh eater that scientists actually were qualified to do was a failure but Jin and Nia the ones made by in Jin’s case on his own and Nia by her father that was not a doctor but a local lord
I can see why that might seem counterintuitive, but there are instances of nature being better at its job than science in the real world. For example, female rhinos can't breed in captivity. Artificial insemination can be attempted, but it's never going to work as well as just standard breeding would have when captivity never entered the equation.
I think the Judicians witnessed a process that could be done in nature, and tried to industrialize it, without knowing what was needed to make it work properly.
I believe it was stated in nia's flash back that the preatorium hunted down flesh eaters. They chased her in the flashback, and it was why akhos and patroka were locked up
My theory is that when you showed the picture of Zekes weapon, if you look to the middle in the sword, you can kinda see a staff the looks like Pandorias, so when Zeke or who ever picks it up for battle, the blade of the weapon ejects from the staff
I was always a bit confused about the "how did she get her memories" back part so I rather like that theory. Feels like there were quite a few things in the game that weren't really explained on screen and aren't deal breakers on their own but together are a bit strange to not explain.
Also particle physics will never not be entertaining to think about now for me. It's just so...amazingly bizarre hahaha
The same goes for the first xenoblade when Dickson told that shulk was dead years ago and there wasn't even a shulk to begin with, and in the end he still was alive
Pretty sure that that's the few moments when monolight didn't pay attention to details
I like this game SO MUCH. I bought it last week and I already have 90hrs played...
So Zeke became a "Blade Eater" does that means that Rex became a "Aegis Eater"? IDK!
New sub. Just finished xenoblade 2. Almost 3 hundred hours only 1 play and not played Torna. I take my time! Trying to soak up into on the franchise. Found the franchise only this year. Played xenoblade definitive edition and xenoblade x. I'm so hooked. Love this franchise.
Did you say fire emblem is similar? I need a xenoblade fix haha
I think the success rate or degree of success is dependent on the bond between the blade and the person whose flesh their consuming is. It's implied that the Judician tech was merging blades with randon human flesh, which is what happened to Minoth. The other flesh eaters consumed the flesh of a person close to them, either their driver or another being they were very very close to. Akhos and Patroka ate the flesh of their drivers, as did Jin, but Nia, she ate the daughter of her driver. And as to why Jin didn't want to bond with a blade, I have to point to where he revealed himself as a flesheater. I think it's a matter of principle that he's not bonding with a blade. "Why are you the masters and we the slaves?"
Well, Jin was also stupidly strong before he became a flesh eater.
I would point out that some of a flesh eater's power likely depends on their power BEFORE becoming one. After all, Jin was the Paragon of Torna WITHOUT it... Nia likely incorporated the ENITIRE existence/body, helping facilitate it to the extreme. I figure that the daughter was integrated, enabling the full potential to be made (And likely forcing the Core to adapt it's abilities, or evolve them). After all, the healing had to be used to move the body.
Also, an idea I had was called 'Blood Bond' - basically a mutual exchange between Blade & Driver - Blade Eater and Flesh Eater of the other. Requires an EXTREMELY strong bond. (I theorize that it MIGHT have been able to save Lora's life...)
Didn’t Jin said that he doesn’t want to resonate with a blade to not bind them to him and forget everything once he dies? I remember that
Here’s a question. The flesh eaters have a pinkish hue on the normally blue core crystal. Why is Jin’s fully red?
Bandit ImaClubYou he ate Lora heart at chapter 9 that pyra/mythra
that jin have a full human heart
Bandit ImaClubYou more red it is more powerful they are that i have been notice on them
What are you even saying lol
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Malos and Pyra/mythra aren't actually core crystals but are computer chips. This is confirmed by the game post chapter 8 and this is why pyra/mythra and malos break all the rules when it comes to blades
Is stated in the cutscenes that Nia and Jin had those powers even before the transformation, at best those abilities were lower level and got powered up with the transformation.
The name of Flesh eaters and the concept sounds so familiar as if an anime has already done this exact same thing...
Minoth: Actually kinda bad tier
Torna the Golden Country: You wot m8? Run that by me again!!
A thing worth mentioning is that by technicality, the Guldos found in Morytha are Blade Eaters that existed before Indol's experiments. The difference is that the Guldos were humanity's flimsy attempt at immortality that ended up turning them into horrifying monsters, whereas the modern ("modern" being the keyword following a revelation in the Torna expansion) attempts at Blade Eaters are a lot cleaner in practice and leave the human subject the same as before aside from a piece of rock embedded in them and superhuman abilities. Even when Amalthus turned himself into a monster through taking in as much Core Crystals as the Guldos, he still somewhat resembled his original self.
I would call rex a hybrid due him having an aegis core crystal
I don't think there's tiers, I think it's more of what the blade is that decides it. Nia is a water blade, so her powers are related to water, and she wants to protect people, so she can heal. Jin is an ice blade, so he has Absolute Zero and since he wants to destroy everything, he can manipulate particles. I think that it's just luck or who you are.
This is good stuff. Great analysis
I don't get why everyone thinks that the blade eaters get their power from becoming a flesh eater. Wouldn't it just make sense that Nia and Jin already had their powers as blades?
Well Jin clearly doesn't have his elementary particle manipulation ability in his original form, so I doubt Nia did either.
@@lemmyxpro honestly I don't even remember making this comment but nice amogus
Great video! But there were a few imprecisions, so
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1)It's never stated if the other tiers of flesh eaters couldn't resonate with everyone they want
2) I would put Jin in a totally different tier, because he is far stronger than Nia, as his full red crystal (opposed to the partially red crystal of the other flesh eaters) shows. But his power is also what makes him so unstable, because his body can't stand it and after some time that this power is used Jin starts to die.
Yeah Nia's backstory I got for the most part, but I was confused as to who her Driver was.
Never thought about the idea that nia weponized cancer
My theory is that Flesh eater don't get any power boost only being able to live without drivers and not losing memory. All blade especially rare or special one are powerful and their drivers needs to find their hidden skill and unlock it. Jin already has that power just he didn't use it possibly her driver wasn't able to use it plus he hates fighting.
Immu All I'm going to say is that Nia would have had to have been an ungodly healer blade if this is the case, as she has the power to bring the recently deceased back to life
Now that Torna the golden country came out I think there’s no middle of power for a flesh eater. Because Minoth was normally powered in the dlc. I think that Akhos and Patroka would of ended up like him when he got old. I think if those two lived their life and didn’t get killed then they would be all old and stuff. That means that Akhos and Patroka are failed experiments.
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Okay, so I know you said the Aegis was a special case, but...
When Pyra/Mythra removed Rex's core crystal mark, I really wonder why he didn't fall over dead since the part that was the only reason for him to still be moving around was take out. It still bugs me whenever I watch that cutscene.
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Pneuma can reality-warp, so she probably just remade his heart before removing the crystal. There's precedent for her to be able to heal living things since she was able to give Gramps the ability to transform back into his dragon form.
Luxin
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she also healed a critically injured Jin
My guess is than Pryra transfered just enough life force to rex to make a new hart and just enough to let her exist long enough to do the final ACT that is my guess. The Crystal just falls off Rex after the power was use to restore Rex hart.
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But then why didn't she do that at the beginning? Because she wasn't Pneuma yet I guess?
Malos explains it in a cutscene awhile back when they took Pyra. Pretty much an aegis's core crystal contains the data on all living things and they can live a long time without their core. The reason why Pyra could bargain with her life is because she can transfer the rest of her core to Rex and not only would it reconstruct his heart from the data in it, but it could create a new Pyra and Mythra if they died. This is why they come back at the end of the game. The reason I think they didn't do this before is that I'm guessing they didn't know they would comeback due to the core crystal also there wasn't really a reason to.
Technically Rex is also a Blade Eater...
Maybe the power of a blade eater is linked to the bond between the driver and blade
I’d love to see a flesh eater that became one by consuming monster flesh. Sort of like how Wulfric’s driver was an arachno queen. Even though most monster types that still have blades wouldn’t necessarily be considered “sentient”, it could work with something like the ignas or even a completely new type of monster
They are zombies... there’s your explanation
Average Turtle I mean, you aren’t wrong... I guess.
The way I see it is a flesh eater is when a blade take over a human while a blade eater when a human take over a blade
8:32 Uh........ Mikhail being a Blade Eater is also a spoiler past Chapter 7. In fact, he's revealed to be a Blade Eater AFTER the guy you said you wouldn't mention because it was after Chapter 7. Until then, he's assumed to be a Flesh Eater. The only Blade Eater that was actually revealed to be a Blade Eater in Chapter 7 or before was Zeke.
9:57 Actually, the thing is, Blade Eaters have their cores melded with their body, sorta. The fragment of Pyra and Mythra's Core Crystal that Rex got, while attached to his chest, is not melded to it. Also, it's not a true replacement for his heart, it's just there to keep him alive as his heart recovers from being stabbed. For all of those reasons, I do not believe Rex qualifies as a Blade Eater.
nia is cute
Mikhail got all of his blade's abilities, Amalthus got more control over ether, and Zeke, I believe, got his fast (lightning bolt) reflexes from Pandoria.
Hey man just thought I’d say that I’ve been watching your content for a while and I love when you do structured videos like this! My question though is that you said Jin was immortal, but we see him inside that husk thing. Doesn’t that keep him alive?
Some have theorized that Zeke'a wacky antics like zipping around the party quickly pre-joining and his ability to survive the kind of falls he does might be more than comedy and actually part of being a Blade Eater too.
Zeke and Pandoria have the same core crystal, but splitted in 2 : One half is the sword (Zeke), and the other half is the staff (Pandoria).
Very nicely done, I actually hadn't heard the idea that Nia's driver was her "father" (everywhere else I've read has assumed her "sister" was her driver). The one disagreement I would have with your explanations is regarding flesh eater immortality. It seemed to me more that successful ones became immune to the appearance of physical aging, but they still had limited (albeit long) lifespans. Jin needed to go into that special chamber on a regular basis to stay alive it seemed (either that or his powers were responsible for the need for treatments), and Nia remarks in one cutscene that she has no idea how long she is going to live for, that she could die of old age the next day for all she knows. Further, in the side quest where you get to fix up Cole, it's noted by the doctor that even with his illness taken care of and Mythra having fixed up his blade side, he's still going to eventually die of old age due to his human cells.
Though Nia could be a very special case. She has restorative powers after all. Together with the techno knowledge Pyra/Mythra received in the Low Orbit station, they could devise a method to make Flesh Eaters actually immortal. Same for Blade Eaters. Malos does mention that it migt've already been possible with Judicium's technology.
Perhaps, but the game also seems to indicate that nothing is truly immortal. Even the titans themselves die of old age eventually. I took the line about getting Jin better treatment to just mean that Judicium may have been able to manage his debilitating symptoms better.
Now that we have seen Minoth in his youth being pretty darn strong despite being a failure, how can we say that Akhos and Patroka are in a tier above? They don't seam that much stronger than young Minoth. The only major difference is that Ak and Pat are much more recent, and they didn't despise their driver
He claims to have gained nothing, though, so I'm guessing aside from the obvious singular improvement, he really did gain nothing, and might even be unable to awaken core crystals. And it may not even have been his driver's cells that he took, but those of some random donor.
It's likely that Minoth was simply a powerful blade when Amalthus awakened him, and while the process did give him freedom from the man he grew to despise, it came at a cost to his health, not just his longevity.
It's unclear if Akhos and Patroka suffered a similar health deficiency, but it's not unreasonable to speculate that they may be more like Jin, only having suffered a cost in longevity rather than in vitality.
2:25 Well, I don’t know about Patroka, but Akhos had a couple of scenes where it seemed to imply he may have had some clairvoyant abilities, or some limited omnispective perhaps not entirely unlike Azami’s clairvoyant eye ability ( which isn’t clairvoyant at all and that drives me nuts ), if we’re to believe that becoming a flesh eater gives them special abilities, perhaps that’s for Akhos. However, do we know that flesh eaters actually gain new abilities upon becoming a flesh eater? For all we know, Nia and Jin may have had their abilities before becoming flesh eaters, on account that we have seen almost nothing of Nia’s past self, and Torna hasn’t come out yet to confirm Jin’s abilities one way or the other.
Okay Luxin. I started to watch your channel yesterday AND I LOVE IT. Xenoblade Chronicles X is my favorite Game around the world and im also interested in the hole Xenoblade-Series. Tanks for the great video and good job :) If I can ask for two wishes, please make a video about the connection between Xenoblade and Xenosaga (only if you havent done it yet. Sry if I am only to stupid to find it.) And as my second wish, plesae forgive me my bad english. Im from German. I hope your videos in the future are as great like this. Thanks. And I have a question too. Is Amalthus a Blade eater? What do you think?
Rex would be an aegis eater
A question I still have is if the praetor hates flesh eaters so much why was he Cole’s driver?
Tfw when your learn zeke is iron man
its up there with the cancer ray
It could be because I've only seen the cutscenes once so I might remember them wrong, but my perception of Nia was that she really were the daughter/sister to that Gormotti family and her father turned her artificially into a Blade in a desperate attempt to save his other daughter. I always viewed Nia like a perfect artifical Blade of some kind. Manufactured by unknown means.
GSS1-Sirius I don’t think so because we see her in a flashback from before she became a flesh eater
The thing about Nia resonating with Rex was not Nia's doing, but Rex's. In fact, after they land in Morytha, the game reveals that Rex can resonate with any blade, even if they have resonated with other driver
Yeah but the whole resonating with blades thing happens after chapter 7, a while after you get blade nia
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The Aegises are data processing units for the Conduit. I believe the reason Pyra/Mythra retained their memories after apparently losing them to Malos is because they were still in communication with the Conduit, which retains all evolutionary information on all Blades, including their memories. Malos' core crystal was partially destroyed, interrupting communications with the Conduit, so he had to use Pyra's to restore it. That's how it read to me, anyway.
I feel like Jin the only full perfect one since his gem is full red while others doesn't.
BTW, Flesh Eaters don't heal as well and no they are not immortal. Jin had to go into an Ether Bacta tank of sorts as shown twice because of heavy strain and as of chapter 9 he was no longer at his best as stated by Mythra. Nia mentions that being a Flesh Eater herself she is not immortal as normal Blades are. Now I guess the Blade Eater part does explain how Amalthus looked like he didn't age a bit for someone who is over 500 years old but it sure does not explain how Mikhail became such a perv teehee.
VanishEclipse4867 well for one amalthus is indoline and Gramps and morag said indolines live long lives and he didn’t have fans core crystal for that long
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When a blade becomes a flesh eater it can get quite a massive boost in strength and obtain unique powers. But what I really wonder is what happens if a truely awakened Aegis (and I'm talking not about Pyra, Mythra or Malos but Pneuma) that has the power to rewrite the laws of physics in the beginning becomes a flesh eater? The increase in power would be tremendously at least. What do you think would happen?
Pneuma gets her reality warping powers from The Conduit, so becoming a Flesh Eater wouldn't actually do much for her and might actually be a hinderance. On the other hand, considering what is needed to awaken Pneuma, if Pyra and/or Mythra were to "eat" Rex they might actually be able to retain Pneuma's from indefinitely. At least as long as The Conduit is around.
Holy shit cole ate addam😳
Fun fact : Morag is the only main character to be an human in her normal state :
-Members of torna are all blades and one blade-eater
-Amalthus is a blade-eater monster
-Klaus is, well, Klaus, merely a god, with one half of his body in an other universe
-Vandham is dead
-Nia is a flesh-eater
-Zeke and Rex got one half of the core crystal of their respective blades
-Tora is a Nopon
Then, Morag is the only important character that is an unaltered human. Though, this is made with very specific criters.
There's only one problem with the idea that the Greatsword is Zeke's Blade weapon and the staff is Pandoria's. Mild spoilers for chapter 8 ahead:
When Rex engages Pandoria as the Master Driver, he uses the Greatsword. Best I can figure is the handle of the sword was always able to detach, like with other Blade weapons with multiple modes. Though I can concede that most of Rex's Master Driver abilities are purely on the gameplay side of things, he still canonically engages with Brighid while they're separated from the rest of the group.
OKAY NOW YOUR MAKING ME BEG FOR A PNEUMA THEORY VIDEO!
What if rex ate pyra, would that make an Aegis eater?
This is not much of a spoilers since it happens in ch1 Malous has a blade named Sever for anyone who played though the later part of the game. SPOILERS
I am sure that an Agies classed blades have the ability to resonate with core crystals
So there are 3 kinds of things that eat:
-Flesh Eater
-Blade Eater
-Monado Eater
The power of zeke is the shining eye of justice (in new game +)
Personally I think rex and pyra/mythra/That 3rd form is similar to ash and graninja from Pokemon xyz both can reach a amilation type point where they basivly become one but for ash and graninja their thoughts and feelings must both match and be deep enough to enable the battle bond ability whole for rex and pyra they have the same thing but perminte, as for what asimalation does it grants hosted strength and reflexes at the cost of where if one takes some dmg no matter how small it also goes to their partner too which exains why pyra got hurt when rex did many a time in the story but If rex the human of the 2 takes a fatal blow then pyra/mythra also takes the fatal blow thus dying basicly making them both mortal although atonimy would suggest otherwise.
After the Torna DLC, you should know some stuff you said was wrong... video needs to be updated
We don't know how long ago akhos and patroka became flesh eaters. They appear in no flashbacks that can be confirmed to take place 500 years ago. All we know is they were being transferred to Indol. With Indol trying to control core crystals, they would use their leverage over Tantal if it was found out about flesh eaters in Tantal.
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Only Mikhal is confirmed to have 500 years ago become a blade eater after he became a refugee when Torna was destroyed.
watching this post torna minoth needs a buff in that tier list
Bruh that tier list at 2:35! I also might have to disagree about Cole/Minoth. He was a beast in Torna, it's just that when we meet him as Cole, he's gotten REAALLLY old.
Personally I think in the process of transforming into a flesh-eater is not the reason why they are so powerful. Personally I think it's more of a blade Rarity effect , Jin for example is a royal blade like Bridget , Pandoria and Aegean . These blades are essentially Imperial regalia's and their Nations strongest Blades. Then we have blades like Zenobia , kos-mos,Nia and herald* who are almost as strong as Royal blades and super rare ( by the way I'm not fully sure if Herald would qualify as a Royal blade or super rare blade) but not property of any of the Royal Families. Then we'll just have the normal rare blades and lastly the common blades.
Great video, maybe do one on blade eaters next?
Rex?
Wouldn’t be saying Coles actually pretty bad once you see Minoth in Torna. Legit op af XD
Omg I think Akhos and patroka's drivers are both in torna the golden country.
Im not sure but ig thats the case.
H E L L Y E A H
Since I have akhos as a blade I can tourture him by jumping off cliffs. HeHeHeHeEhEhE