The Trinity's MASSIVE Role Throughout Xenoblade Chronicles
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2024
- Future Redeemed is out and it's absolutely amazing! Join me for my first video essay to learn more about Ontos, Logos, and Pneuma, and their role in the plot of the Klaus Trilogy.
Content:
0:00 - Intro
1:11 - Ontos, and the Beginning
4:40 - Pneuma and Logos
8:18 - Enduring Legacy
11:23 - The Divine End
Music:
Aurora Shelf (Day) - Future Redeemed
Everyday Life - Xenoblade Chronicles
Torigoth (Night) - Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Colony 9 (Night) Xenoblade Chronicles
Aurora Shelf (Night) - Future Redeemed
Majesty - Xenoblade Chronicles
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Takahashi be like: *writes a standalone game that perfectly sets up for and parallels a game that wasn’t even planned to exist until 6 years later*
Reminds me of Scott Cawthon with fnaf
@@idiotnumbnuts8486 Or Toby Fox with Undertale and Deltarune
Isn't the first time, man wrote a whole college textbook for Xenogears and Xenosaga. Highly recommend experiencing them you haven't already!
This is peak Oda-core writing, One Piece is the most high effort half assed world ever
Takahashi said to planned Xenoblade 3 while developing Xenoblade x. It's more than 6 years
I really like how the trinity in XC3 basically represent past (Origin), present (Moebius) and future (Ouroboros)
Learn from the past to create a better future. Its so clear now.
Moebius represent the past as well, Origin is the in-between.
Vindicating to see someone talk about this without calling Alvis a Blade or something, phew
Jokes aside this was well put together. It has long been observable that Alvis/Ontos has acted as the "ego," of whichever trinity they become attached to, so having FR confirm and explore that further, coupled with the inclusion of A as Ontos's chance to truly walk hand-in-hand with others as a human just as Pneuma and Logos were able to in their own ways in XC2, was really great I thought.
Than I take it that Logos is the id and neuma is the superego
@@danielrusk9761 Yup, Mythra and Malos can even be seen as representing those in XC2, with Mythra/Pyra coming to terms with their guilt/morality and Malos struggling against the deep-seated desires that he inherited from Amalthus
Theres also something really fun to be said about Ontos/Alpha regressing from a representation of the Monad in XC1 to yet another Demiurge in FR, with the key difference being that Alpha doesn't have access to the Superego or Id, he is fundamentally less human than Alvis was before, and thus has lost his "pneuma."
Takahashi, you genius bastard, you did it again.
Shulk emulated logos and rex emulated nuema while alvis flipped genders to balance the new trinity processor I think is quite fitting
This is the most understandable and comprehensive breakdown of the series I've seen. Excellent job.
along with zanza and meyneth taking the roles in the trinity processor, Alvis also was able to remain stable due to having klaus's lingering regrets. Obv not strictly an Alvis analysis but it's cool to think not only was he conforming to his role, he himself wanted to try and help lead the world to a better world which really lines up with his actions in xc1 like giving shulk an even playing field and teaching shulk to use the monado to mold him into a more suitable input.
I’d like to point out that in the original Japanese script for xenoblade 2, when Klaus says the line “Ontos *triggered* a space time transition event”, the Japanese script uses the word “Vanish” when referring to Ontos’s departure. Meaning that he didn’t Trigger the space time transition event, only vanished because of it. The space time transition event was likely caused my Klaus activating the conduit, and Ontos being the arbiter of the trinity, was swallowed into the other half of the universe Klaus created by activating the conduit. Pnuema and Logos are meant to represent the Anima and Animus, I theorize that when ontos vanished into the xenoblade 1 world, he grabbed Klaus’s Animus and Galeas anima to act as the 2nd and 3rd opinions he needs.
5:50 I think that the origin metal/gear/shard just holds *a* soul/memory of a person who was optimistic about the original Origin plan, as melia says, the ouroboros stones and Lucky 7 take their shape from the data in the queens “keys” (Melias heart and Nias core crystal) and the side of origin that possessed the people who had faith in the original plan to revive the worlds. I think Pyra and Mythras souls or maybe just their data, is inside of Nias core crystal, given how she can create these sort of pseudo Aegis blades that un coincidentally glow the color green. Good vudeo
One thing I like that they added to FR is the "eye" to the Ontos core to look much closer to the Zohar.
Also...Noah throwing away basically both the Pneuma and Logos core at the end is so sad lol
This video was fantastic, like Luxin-level analysis and explanation. I'm so glad there are people who pick up on subtext much better than I do and can explain my favorite series to me, so thank you for that!
Honestly I prefer this to Luxin. That guy likes the sound of his own voice a little too much.
@@whereswarren3719 I can understand that Luxin isn't for everyone, but there's no denying the work he's put into helping people understand the series better. I would love to see more people take up the mantle so there's more variety in available xeno content, I think it would do the community a lot of good to get some differing views floating around, but I haven't found any other channels that even come close to the amount of lore and analysis he's done.
"check these games out, and come back once you finish them"
6 months later, traffic on this vid suddenly spikes. lol.
This was such a well-written and wonderfully composed analysis of these three characters and how they interact with the overall narrative & concepts in Xenoblade
Gosh I love this series so much, I think it'll always be my favourite 💖
You have a very easy to listen to voice, which is great for these sorts of video essays! Hope to see more Xenoblade content from you in the future ✨
fantastic video!! XC3 and FR just really changed my perspective on not just the whole series but also how i view life in general now in a way i didnt even think possible since the last game that impacted me this much was XC1 10 years ago
Alvis’s personality is also the result of Ontos’ resonance with Klaus. He embodied Klaus’s regrets, and thus acted to undo the world he had created during the experiment
wow, that's the first time I understand the trinity processor. I finally get it. your explanation was so clear and logical. I particularly love the fact that N's acceptance and fusion with Noah fits both narratives, the ouroboros v. Moebius narrative, as well as the Logos v. Pneuma narrative. thank you for bringing these considerations into a new light, otherwise I would have never understood, and would still feel like i'm missing something.
as another commenter said, it's great when some people are good at picking up the subtext, but even better when they can explain it in such a clear way.
it's crazy like i feel enlightened and emotional for this series for a whole new reason
Xenoblade chronicles is my favourite franchise ever. I love it.
Something I had been thinking about for a while and couldn't wrap my head around was how Pneuma and Logos had so much power in Aionios when the Conduit had gone bye-bye, and Klaus telling Pneuma that she would lose those powers, assuming Klaus is right here. I understood where Ontos' power came from as the arbiter and blueprint for Origin, but I think it's only now after watching this video that my theory I can accept is that since Ontos requires the decision input from Pneuma and Logos, by that connection energy and power is being received by Pneuma and Logos from Ontos to be able to make that decision, and that's what resulted in the Ouroboros and Moebius powers.
Thanks so much for making this video! It was extremely clear and helped clean up some of my mistaken thoughts about things and ties it all together, subscribed :)
It’s so cool to think about how these two sides stayed in the fight this whole time, too.
Logos/Moebius, they who fear the future and stay in the endless now, stay in the fight because they themselves are literally the ones who stay in the fight. They don’t die. They are eternal; the moebius strip goes in a loop with no beginnings or ends.
Meanwhile, Pneuma/Ouroboros stay in the fight by passing things down throughout the generations. They look to the future and build it themselves. The snakes do indeed consume one another, signifying that time is indeed marching on and has a beginning and end, yet it still carries on forever.
Masterclass explanation, and the nice and chill tone in your voice makes it a lot easier to absorve all this mass of information...i played the entire trilogy but could have never made all these connections myself.
This deserves way more views. Made me understand the whole game in just 13 mins, amazing job
This is such a good video! Very easy to understand and I love how you explained the parallels to Xenoblade 1! Made me appreciate Future Redeemed even more! Liked & subbed, can't wait for more of your videos!
wow was curious to see your other video essay videos and turns out when i used to play feh long ago i saw your berkut and lyon builds that is such a whacky coincidence
I really love how FR engrosses XB3 base game with tons of little details and answers. As well as a beautiful farewell to the trilogy.
Love the video! Very clear and helps me understand how Alvis was not a heartless machine in Xeno 1 (with Mayneth and Zanza acting as the other two simulating the trinity processor).
This is such a wonderful analysis. I really feel like you recontextualized the role of the Trinity in all three games while clarifying events and points of confusion!
Combining your idea of Meyneth and later Fiora representing Pneuma with the fact that, according to the artbook, Lucky Seven is Fiora, means that Noah was carrying the representatives of Pneuma from both worlds with him. That is some incredible storytelling right there.
Fantastic analysis and breakdown of the trinity processor's role in the story! I never realized that Ontos was gathering data through various vessels of logos and pneuma throughout the entire trilogy! This really helped put things into perspective
Thanks to your work I can finally feel satisfied about this conclusion. I liked Xeno 3 but the base game had too much unresolved questions, while the DLC felt too hasty. With your essay in mind I can definetly appreciate a lot better the Xeno 3 experience as a whole. I only wished they could have put a trowaway line in the DLC to explain how the presence of the other two aegis worked, like something among the lines: "As both worlds where created and sustained by the trinity processor, even if the physical Logos has been destroyed in Xeno 2 his will is still alive and cannot be replaced if both Pneuma and Ontos still exists, since that would result in the collapsing of the reality. When he was destroyed he became a part of the whole universe and found a way to manifest himself in a concrete form only when the emotions of the entire population of both worlds where so strong and united that they express the same desire out of the fear of death: "The endless now", that will cause the creation of the Moebius. Also the new Noah and Mio reborn after N and M regret are caused by the connection M had with Queen Nia and consequently the Pneuma core that resonated with the will of change of M." That would have painted the trinity processor in a more neutral way but still interested in the well being of the humans, with Logos prioritaizing to the desire of humanity as a whole and Pneuma prefering the hope of a few humans that would lead the popolation.
Edit: Also, at the end of Xeno 2 the Pneuma core was never awaken, she just recreated Pyra and Mythra as "normal" blades to respond to the hope of Rex as a way to thank him and his gfs for giving their world a future, while the core herself got afk and wandered the world of Xeno 2 and then 3 in her physical form. You have to keep in mind that there is no way otherwise for Pyra and Mythra to be awakened as blades from the Pneuma core from Rex as they took their original personality from Adam, not Rex, and even then they would have not mainteined their original memories once awoken again.
Great analysis! I'd also like to add my own interpretation on Logos/Pneuma in 3. I feel like its useful to not only consider Moebius and Ouroboros as factions, but concepts which are not necessarily good or bad. The concept of Moebius is looking towards the past to try to secure a safe present, while Ouroboros is risking the status quo to , for better or for worse, secure a desired future. The faction of Moebius are doomed to disappear as they only accept the concept of PURE moebius(this is seen the most in N who says he is unable to change his path and is destined to keep only serving the eternal now). They are shackled by Z's will(Note how Y stated every Moebius is an avatar of Z, the part of Ontos that panders to those who wish to preserve the now). The founders and later the main game's party reject PURE Ouroboros(the founders by rejecting Alpha, the avatar of the part of Ontos that panders to the people who are okay with completely discarding the present world and sacrificing the people of their world who make up the present ) I don't think Noah and gang could restart Origin because Noah and Mio had N and M in them, as N and M "died" fighting Z, but because they, after witnessing both the horrors of the past and the good and bad sides of the present which could cease to exist by restarting origin, STILL want to move forwards. It also helps that throughout the game they empathise with people from different backgrounds who gain or lose from maintaining the status quo. The concept of Moebius exists in every person and they work to soothe the anxieties of the general populace to tip the scales of the world to a balance between Ouroboros and Moebius, Logos and Pneuma(by freeing different colonies and helping their people, along with helping the people of the city who also have a lot of people who cling to the past and present, like Garrett and Shania's mom). I hope this makes sense, it sure is a complicated topic
I’m just here after the release of the art book. You were basically spot on
I DID, I massively enjoyed this!
I love me my Xenoblade lore and don't get me wrong, Miiks and Luxin are great deep divers, but this one did a really good job of keeping things straightforward and clear.
You've earned a sub for sure. :D And I'm sharing this with my discord.
Damn, such a great video. I always noticed those analogies and details but I never aligned them properly and logically as you did. Takahashi's writing is so good and full of creativity, I love the lore of these series. Thank you for this video, I'll definitely be here for the next one.
Absolutely incredible video, really goes to show you the galaxy brain inside Takahashi
Excellent succinct summation.
Well done. You take a rather complicated story and make it approachable for even more casual players.
This is the only way I've been able to understand the role that Logos and Pneuma play symbolically in this game. Thanks for this great analysis!
I did not make the connection until this video that Mayneth choosing to entrust the future to her people is literally a key theme of xenoblade
This is an utterly fantastic video that really makes me rethink how I’ve been considering all that’s happened in xenoblade so far
Clear and concise - great analysis!
This is one hell of a comeback video. Nice.
im a big xenoblade fan, but i struggled to wrap my head around the end of both base 3 and future redeemed. thank you for putting it in a way that makes sense and ties it to the previous entries!
I got literal chills at the end love that alvis phrase ❤❤❤
I was so confused with the Trinity processor concept in FR and throught this video I had it clear now. Thank you.
Incredible, absolutely phenomenal video
Great analysis and I agree with MOST of what you say, but the part I interpret differnetly is Alvis' role in XC1. I don't see Ontos' role as "acting on consensus", he's based in part on the Ego from Freudian psychology (sorry psych students for the flashbacks, I hate that guy as much as you do) wherein his role is to interpret the Superego (Pneuma) and Id (Logos) to decide which impulses to follow and which to discard for whichever reason. So in the case of XC1, I see his actions more as him using the data he's taking in from Shulk, Fiora, Meyneth, and Zanza, and DECIDING that Shulk, Fiora, and Meyneth have the right of it, not just because he has stand-ins for Logos and Pneuma that agree. I could be wrong and I'm not making statements of fact or anything, just my interpretation based on you pointing out that Zanza/Shulk and Meyneth/Fiora could, to Ontos, represent stand-ins for Logos and Pneuma.
Weird I always assumed it was other way around with Logos being the Super Ego as Logos by definition means reason and logic while Pneuma was the Id as her name means spirit, which can represent the emotions. It goes with the theme of XC3 as Moebius thought it was logical to keep everyone in the endless now while Ourborous desired to end it and embrace the unknown future.
@@Mr587098 You aren't wrong, I just tend to associate Id with Villains (plus Id is indeed the name of a villain in the Xeno series, and he's even associated with the Black and Purple colors somewhat)
amazing analysis... the parallels and the conclusion to it all just feels so unbeliavble.... monolith truly knows how to cook
Please make more videos. That was amazing.
The Connection to Xenosaga would be cool to see
Holy vacas (cow)!!! This was so well done makes so much sense! Makes me love xenoblade even more.
Absolutely stellar video. I'd love to see you do a deep dive into both swords of origin and try to help clarify how they work, what they symbolize, and why there's 2 of them, because I still don't fully understand.
I know Noah has the sword of the end as his sheath, but how did he get that? From riku? Why does N have the Malos sheath? Why is his sword ALSO called the sword of the end, and what's the difference between the 2? I have so many questions lol
Loved this! 100% will be using some of your points in a vid of my own for sure.
I already wrote my words of praise in your hour long magnum opus but you might singlehandedly have shot the xenoseries to be my favorite franchise of all time with this and the xenoblade 1 video.
Ontos is such a cool ass concept. Trinity in 1, trinity in 2, trinity in 3, xenoblade trilogy, will you even make a trinity of video essays??? (Do take your time if so, these videos are great) Even this youtube comment is a trinity of paragraphs why am I like this.
Seriously though, you cooked so hard my body is burnt. Thank you yet again. I fully appreciated every second of this video (especially the shots of alvis and A those characters are gorgeous) 😅.
It's wild that I've never considered this as a possible theory. Fantastic video!, Keep up with it!
Great video! Seeing it all laid out like this , especially the parallels to XBC1, made appreciante FR all the more!
Really good and clear analysis. I've watched a lot of videos about XC3 and the overall XC lore, as well as the Trinity Processor, Zohar/Conduit etc and this is one of the best. I feel like a lot of others tend to take too much liberty with interpretation of things, or assumptions, which equate to nothing more than confirmation bias. But your analysis avoids pitfalls like that and covers all the essentials. I'm hoping to see some more content on this series from you!
Great video! Damn, with every analysis I watch I end up loving this series more and more.
Holy spark that was an amazing analysis! This has helped me understand so much more and was all around an incredible video! You've well earned a new subscriber!
You did a great job, especially for a first go at a video essay. =>
always wanted actual videos from u after all of ur analysis tweets and unsurprisingly this was great!!
I've never really thought of a parallelism between the Ontos-Pneuma-Logos trinity and Alvis-Mechonis-Bionis but it does make sense, very interesting analysis
Thank you for this. This was just the right amount of lore without overwhelming me.
Excellent analysis! There were several points that I missed, everything makes more sense now
Super pumped for more content from you!! Always welcome more Xeno content on TH-cam. You, Luxin, and Enel are the Xenotuber trinity lol
I really enjoyed this video! :) I love this series but I'm so confused about so many things loool, glad you made such a smooth and easy-to-follow breakdown!
This is a great video. I mostly understood the ending in my playthrough, but this really helped clear things up.
wow this video is amazing. i’ve never heard anyone explain it better! keep up the outstanding work
This was a very well done analysis and it cleared up a great deal. You've earned yourself a subscriber. I look forward to your future content.
Very well thought out video!
Very well made video! Great explanation, in a short time too.
I'm shaking and crying
My god this is such a good video, I completely missed the Logos part in my playthrough, but even once I heard about it, it didn't really make sense to me. But this video really makes it clear and why its relevant to the plot, while also making XB1 more clear as well. Great job!
Only thing I'm still not convinced on is how exactly Logos is back.
We already saw Malos capture Pyra to fix his core crystal using the data from her's. After Pyra and Mythra split into two separate people at the end, one of them could have easily taken Logos' place.
@@joewho_forgot_his_hat7884 Sure its possible but there's nothing that confirms or points towards that theory more than anything else. There's just so many ways it could have happened.
"Neither of them would have batted an eye" sounds much more like Pyra or Mythra than Malos.
@@joewho_forgot_his_hat7884 Are you trying to disprove your own point I don't get it 😂
I'm saying it's likely that after Malos died, either Pyra or Mythra took the place of Logos in the trinity processor. I'm not sure what's hard to understand.
Loved the video, cleared up a few things for me from FR’s end
awesome video!!!!!! you picked up in so many things i never put together in my head, and made everything comprehensive and easy to understand. great job😀
Amazing Work !!
This is amazing well done !!
This is an amazing analysis that honestly gave me a whole lot more perspective on things. I love what 3 does to tie everything together in such a unique way.
Fire video. I had a somewhat understanding of everything but this is very well done and puts everything together very nicely and puts all the thoughts in 1 way to make it all make sense great job!
Good video, keep ‘em coming
Great video!
This is so cool Ellen glad you’re finally doing video essays
Very well done, I look forward to watching more from you!
Beautiful work! Subscribed to see what the future holds for you!
Nice video, keep up the good work!
Great video - helped me realise a few things that flew over my head!
really enjoyed the vid :)
Great video, very well thought out and digestible
super good video, and excellent first video essay!
Amazing video it helped explain a lot of things for me
Absolutely goated video
Fantastic analysis! It really puts things in a different perspective!
Amazing content :)
cant believe i just found this video, this is great!
Excellent content @PhantomHeit
Looking forward to the next video!
This was great, thank you so much! It helps a lot to have all the details in one place instead of spread axross the game. Subbed!
This is a great explanation for these trilogy, thank you so much ❤
After just completing Future Redeemed, now everything is put into perspective for myself a lot more clearly. Looking forward to more deep dives in Xenoblade
Very well explained. Looking forward to more videos from you. ❤❤❤
Great analysis!
Really enjoyed the video. It was clear, informative, and easy to follow. I hope more people watch it because I feel that people miss the larger importance of the trinity processor and its relationship to the overall trilogy.
Really great video
What an excellent video. I still have lingering questions though. Like, why did Pyra and Mythra revert back to the Pneuma core? And if they did, it must have been after Origin failed, or else their core would have been used alongside Ontos. Maybe they conversed with Nia and agreed to revert back to the Pneuma core once Moebius became a threat, and that's how the Ouroboros came to be.
Rex was surprised that Matthew had Pneuma in the fists, does that mean the Pneuma core went missing at some point after Nia went into slumber? Was it old man Ghondor who found Pneuma washed up on a beach like how Na'el came across Ontos? And how did the Logos core come back? Pretty sure Malos was destroyed at the end of 2, unless it's implied he reverted back to his core as well and was simply lost during the events between 2 and 3, and perhaps Moebius discovered the Logos core and took advantage of it for their powers.
Still so many unanswered questions, I wanna know more but the series will move on to a new trilogy now.
I'm looking back on xenoblade 2 Ending and I remember Malos Speaking to pneuma Even after his death Maybe implying that some piece of him is still around So who knows
Great video! Thank you, i understand more now :) I like Alvis a lot
This is perfect
One thing I'm hung on about is the fact that N's sword has ALWAYS been with him as Past Noah, even before he became Moebius. This is why I have a hard time associating Logos with Moebius, and this is backed up by the fact that Z in Future Redeemed, the embodiment of Moebius itself, is flabbergasted by how that Sword of the End came into his possession either, and he concludes it's the "will of those unto gods" (being either Pneuma, Ontos, or Logos wills it to be given to a current member of Ouroboros.). While out of universe, the character designer clearly designed N's sword to be a Moebius equivalent to Noah's, the way it is presented in the Chapter 6 flashbacks is incompatible with associating it as a pure Moebius weapon because he always had it, and Z is confused about it, so he couldn't have been responsible. This is also weirder since we know Ghondor possessed N's sword but it's never mentioned what happens to it other than N wielding it in the DLC, like he always does.
N keeps his sword when he becomes Moebius, and perhaps it is possible being Moebius let him fully unleash his power like Noah's Unlimited Sword (but we do not know the extent of how past Noah used the sword except one time where he uses the sheath as an actual weapon), but this is completely unknown. It is true, however that Z is able to upgrade his Sword of the End to the Origin Blade version in Chapter 7, so he has some degree of power over it.