You are the only firearm manufacturer I know of that actually tries to help it’s customers. I always tell people y’all are the best and I think these videos really show it
Information you share is knowledge through experience, thanks Trevor and Shadow for being willing to help us poor slobs. BTW, DR920e best plastic firearm I have ever banged...
My XR ran flawlessly with my omega 9k with the stock spring. My p80 17 clone had the opposite issue here where it wouldn’t eject, or would get stove pipes, or not lock back on the last round. It does have a stock weight recoil spring, so in this case perhaps it needs a lighter one. The pistol was well lubricated.
@@Cseeley122 yeah so basically if it’s an FTE, it needs a lighter recoil weight. I went with 15lbs. If it’s an FTF, or failure to go into battery then it needs a heavier spring.
In my brief experience I have seen the slide not wanting to go back into battery like shown here with a brand new gun and it not being broke in and the owner not putting lube on before shooting also. Usually if someone takes a gun straight out of the box.
Thanks for the video. I have a larger dead air suppressor, the wolf man. I just tried it on my dr920 and it won’t cycle. I’ll be able to get one round off then I have to rack it back to cycle the weapon. I had cleaned it prior to shooting and also sprayed lube into it when the malfunction occurred. Still no cycling. Going to try the heavier recoil spring.
This is why I slapped together an AR-9SD. I've had zero jams or malfunctions of any kind. No fancy devices or tuning needed just screw it on and dump thousands and thousands of rounds through it. 40 round mags are $20. The spring sproinging and bolt going home is louder than the shot and the bolt coming back. I haven't experienced any of the port pop or gas face I've heard about. All the noise and filth stays in the gun. Slide guns with cans may look cool and tactical but what's really cool and tactical imo is something that can run forever with any ammo and no tuning.
well that's the opposite of my problem lol, the shells won't eject when I shoot my p80 g19, it runs like a dream without the can after 500 rnds but it fails to eject after every shot when suppressed. it acts like the booster isn't even installed although i followed the manual perfectly and had it verified by the suppressor savi clerk I bought it from.
Same with my 19X ... smooth as butter until I throw on the suppressor and it becomes a single shot lol...if you ever figure out the right spring weight please let me know!
Hey! I started shooting USPSA Limited class in 1996 so that's 26 years of watching sights lift and recover. I'm rather a purist so I never got excited about trying out open class. Therefore, I never experimented with or perfected technique with a dot. I also started competing and learning at a very young age, and the things you learn when you are young stick with you always. If I converted to RDS, I would exchange being a very good iron sights shooter for a fairly novice level RDS shooter and that is not a better outcome for me. Ironically, I also don't get to train very much--I shoot less recreationally now than I ever have in my life. My range time is related to product development or shooting videos, not learning and practicing new things. I am also at a place in my life where I derive more joy from teaching my kids how to shoot than from teaching myself something new. Therefore, my reasons for sticking with irons are related to my own personal experience, not anything that is inherently bad about RDS. I train my children on RDS guns because I know that is going to be the standard for most of their lives (after they learn irons, of course!). The biggest advantage I see for RDS is how much they shorten the learning curve and how they allow you to focus on the target which is everyone's natural tendency. You can also shoot tighter groups with them, but that is not as important, practically speaking. Hope that was helpful. Trevor
@ShadowSystemsCorp woah thanks for the excellent explanation!!! Do you always front sight hard focus or do you target focus and superimpose the irons sometimes?
@@TheKoreanMarksman Trevor has said in other videos that when using iron sights up close, it is okay to "feel" your shots, but at a certain distance when he uses his sights his sole focus is the front sight...rear sights and target are blurred. I think his saying is "front sight tells the tale" of successful shooting.
Heavier spring? When I put my lunar 9 can on my mr918 it wouldn't even feed a round because the slide didn't go back enough. I even took the can apart and ran it in the 4. 5" CONFIG, still didn't work
@@gregoryhall2967yeah my guess is he is using 115 or 124 grain. I generally use 147 grain. Heavy bullets with a supressor is only going to slow the slide down more. Very confused at this video lol
You guys kick serious asses. Switched my omega 9k from my Glock to my XR920 and though it usually runs fine every now and then when I hold the trigger it fails to go into battery like stated in the video, now I know the solution. Thanks for the great info, also I noticed with the new spring it’s sold separate from the guide rod, is that a pretty easy install?
Help! I attached my almost brand new can (AAC Ti-rant 45 - owned six yrs but not used... long story) to my almost brand new Glock 21SF the other day at the range. All had been modestly greased and/or lubed in key areas prior ro firing. The weapon cycled reiiably with factory springs. HOWEVER, accuracy at 15 yds (bench/sandbag rested) was horrific. As I turned to different points of the clock, the POI moved around the bullseye...10" away from the "X"!!! Btw, firing from bench sand bags prior to suppressing, this Glock's POI, from 15 yds away, was 2" high, 2" right. I sure couid use some helpful advice. AAC "tech" person (e-mail only) has nothing helpful to say at all.
Wow that’s a big shift. Is there any evidence the bullet is kissing the opening at the front of the can on the way out? Did you try more than one kind of ammo? I take it you can make it go high or low, left or right, just by moving the can? Where does it print when tightened down? I assume you don’t have an O-ring on the barrel and there is metal to metal contact at the shoulder of the barrel?Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp Double checked: zero evidence of strike at opening on way out. All ammo the same Winchester 230-gr JHP. Yes, "can" adjustment moved point of impact "around the clock"...equally far away from bullseye. "Viton" (per accompanying pamphlet) O-ring inside front cap of "can." I lubed area with bit of Lubricate grease before trip to range. Not sure what you mean by "tightened down," unless you mean without "can." If that's you're meaning, POI was 2" high, 2" right from same bench rest 15 yds away. Thx.
I have a gen 5 g45 and tryin to use a gsl phoenix suppressor, it doesnt even extract the fired cartridge, have to manually rack the slide to get the next round. Anything I can do?
Do the stock iron sights and 3rd co-witness optics like holosun 508t clear larger cans like that 45cal suppressor? Or would you recommend sticking to the thinner diameter cans? Is there a can diameter range that is recommended/supported for DR920?
Very helpful video. Would you recommend proactively swapping to a heavier spring on a DR920 running a MOD9-FS if I'm planning to run it suppressed full time?
I would, if it really will be a mostly suppressed gun. The guns run fine with a 20 lbs if your technique is decent and the ammo is not some powderpuff stuff. Only trade off might be a little more perceived recoil. Trevor
Someone already got my question out about red dot weight but how about barrel and slide length adding weight? Like would the dr920 or dr920l need a longer or tougher spring due to weight to ensure it cycles? Looking for a cr920 as my new carry gun and if I fall in love I’m thinking xr920 for a duty pistol with room for a comp or suppressor.
The main factors affecting spring weight are coupled mass (barrel plus slide), uncoupled mass (slide), ammunition (huge), shooter technique (huge), and friction. Whether the guns you mentioned will need a different spring will depend on those factors--keep in mind that bigger slides are not necessarily heavier as you can machine weight out of them in other areas as we have with the DR920P. The irony here is that your spring is faced with competing objectives. The goal is to have a strong enough spring to protect the gun from damage, a weak enough spring to always eject with a wide range of ammunition and shooter technique, a strong enough spring to strip the round and push the round up the ramp. Add a comp and a suppressor and it all gets even worse! Trevor
Hey Trevor quick question how do you get the thread protector to stay on after about 4 shots have to tighten back down I seen you retighted the can after about 4 shot didn't know if you had any suggestions on how to get it to stay on..
Hi Tyler, there is a rubber o-ring in the box from when you bought your pistol. That o-ring is meant to be used to keep the thread protector on. You’ll place the o-ring over the end of the barrel and then tighten the thread protector on as tight as you can hand tighten it. The o-ring will squish out to the sides a bit-you want that; that squishing will give the friction you need to keep the thread protector in place. One note, the o-ring must be removed before using any muzzle device.
Awesome Awesome Awesome Physics is an amazing truth teller 🙌🏼 This presentation will be shared far and wide. It only took me 1 1/2 years to find a perfect example of why I run an 11 lb spring when I shoot my comped pistol and now that i'm putting my Omega 36m on my AXG today I will drop the 18 lb spring on her right out the gate and work backwards. I literally can't congratulate you enough for putting this out there on the InnerWeb 🙌🏼🫵🏼🙌🏼 Excellent Job Sir! Thanks Again
@@reker.a579015 year old girls, and butt pirates use emojis when they type. Man up. In addition, they are referred to as HK, not H&K. It isn't 1989.
You are the only firearm manufacturer I know of that actually tries to help it’s customers. I always tell people y’all are the best and I think these videos really show it
Dusty, thanks for that comment. We really try to put out practical, helpful stuff. Trevor
Information you share is knowledge through experience, thanks Trevor and Shadow for being willing to help us poor slobs. BTW, DR920e best plastic firearm I have ever banged...
Joe! Thanks for the comment. We try to provide useful content. Trevor
smooth disassembly and reassembly! Chris Bort could never
My XR ran flawlessly with my omega 9k with the stock spring. My p80 17 clone had the opposite issue here where it wouldn’t eject, or would get stove pipes, or not lock back on the last round. It does have a stock weight recoil spring, so in this case perhaps it needs a lighter one. The pistol was well lubricated.
Did you ever figure this out, I have a similar issue
@@Cseeley122 yeah so basically if it’s an FTE, it needs a lighter recoil weight. I went with 15lbs. If it’s an FTF, or failure to go into battery then it needs a heavier spring.
In my brief experience I have seen the slide not wanting to go back into battery like shown here with a brand new gun and it not being broke in and the owner not putting lube on before shooting also. Usually if someone takes a gun straight out of the box.
Thanks for the video. I have a larger dead air suppressor, the wolf man. I just tried it on my dr920 and it won’t cycle. I’ll be able to get one round off then I have to rack it back to cycle the weapon. I had cleaned it prior to shooting and also sprayed lube into it when the malfunction occurred. Still no cycling. Going to try the heavier recoil spring.
Did it work? Same issue here
Awesome video. Will a stiffer spring help reduce the amount of gas and gunk getting kicked in your face? I'm currently having that issue.
This is why I slapped together an AR-9SD. I've had zero jams or malfunctions of any kind. No fancy devices or tuning needed just screw it on and dump thousands and thousands of rounds through it. 40 round mags are $20. The spring sproinging and bolt going home is louder than the shot and the bolt coming back. I haven't experienced any of the port pop or gas face I've heard about. All the noise and filth stays in the gun.
Slide guns with cans may look cool and tactical but what's really cool and tactical imo is something that can run forever with any ammo and no tuning.
Thank you Trevor 😊
well that's the opposite of my problem lol, the shells won't eject when I shoot my p80 g19, it runs like a dream without the can after 500 rnds but it fails to eject after every shot when suppressed. it acts like the booster isn't even installed although i followed the manual perfectly and had it verified by the suppressor savi clerk I bought it from.
Same with my 19X ... smooth as butter until I throw on the suppressor and it becomes a single shot lol...if you ever figure out the right spring weight please let me know!
I’d love to hear your thoughts as to why you prefer iron sights over RDS’!
Hey! I started shooting USPSA Limited class in 1996 so that's 26 years of watching sights lift and recover. I'm rather a purist so I never got excited about trying out open class. Therefore, I never experimented with or perfected technique with a dot. I also started competing and learning at a very young age, and the things you learn when you are young stick with you always.
If I converted to RDS, I would exchange being a very good iron sights shooter for a fairly novice level RDS shooter and that is not a better outcome for me. Ironically, I also don't get to train very much--I shoot less recreationally now than I ever have in my life. My range time is related to product development or shooting videos, not learning and practicing new things. I am also at a place in my life where I derive more joy from teaching my kids how to shoot than from teaching myself something new.
Therefore, my reasons for sticking with irons are related to my own personal experience, not anything that is inherently bad about RDS. I train my children on RDS guns because I know that is going to be the standard for most of their lives (after they learn irons, of course!).
The biggest advantage I see for RDS is how much they shorten the learning curve and how they allow you to focus on the target which is everyone's natural tendency. You can also shoot tighter groups with them, but that is not as important, practically speaking.
Hope that was helpful. Trevor
@ShadowSystemsCorp woah thanks for the excellent explanation!!! Do you always front sight hard focus or do you target focus and superimpose the irons sometimes?
@@TheKoreanMarksman Trevor has said in other videos that when using iron sights up close, it is okay to "feel" your shots, but at a certain distance when he uses his sights his sole focus is the front sight...rear sights and target are blurred. I think his saying is "front sight tells the tale" of successful shooting.
Thank you for that trigger, Trevor. From the Rifle Gear Demo CR920. When should we expect the War Poet CR920?
Happy to help! Will share more when we can. Trevor
Heavier spring? When I put my lunar 9 can on my mr918 it wouldn't even feed a round because the slide didn't go back enough. I even took the can apart and ran it in the 4. 5" CONFIG, still didn't work
Yeah I’m confused I always thought you go lighter springs with suppressors right?
@@BlxvkMambamy 918 and G34 both got lighter springs put in now it cycles
@@gregoryhall2967yeah my guess is he is using 115 or 124 grain. I generally use 147 grain. Heavy bullets with a supressor is only going to slow the slide down more. Very confused at this video lol
I have FTE issues on one pistol and fail to battery on the other. for the FTE, do I need a lighter spring?
You guys kick serious asses. Switched my omega 9k from my Glock to my XR920 and though it usually runs fine every now and then when I hold the trigger it fails to go into battery like stated in the video, now I know the solution. Thanks for the great info, also I noticed with the new spring it’s sold separate from the guide rod, is that a pretty easy install?
Where can i get a 20lb gen5 recoil spring?
Lighter or heavier guide rod spring for stove piping though? Do hammer springs affect stove piping?
Help! I attached my almost brand new can (AAC Ti-rant 45 - owned six yrs but not used... long story) to my almost brand new Glock 21SF the other day at the range. All had been modestly greased and/or lubed in key areas prior ro firing.
The weapon cycled reiiably with factory springs. HOWEVER, accuracy at 15 yds (bench/sandbag rested) was horrific. As I turned to different points of the clock, the POI moved around the bullseye...10" away from the "X"!!!
Btw, firing from bench sand bags prior to suppressing, this Glock's POI, from 15 yds away, was 2" high, 2" right.
I sure couid use some helpful advice. AAC "tech" person (e-mail only) has nothing helpful to say at all.
Wow that’s a big shift. Is there any evidence the bullet is kissing the opening at the front of the can on the way out? Did you try more than one kind of ammo? I take it you can make it go high or low, left or right, just by moving the can? Where does it print when tightened down? I assume you don’t have an O-ring on the barrel and there is metal to metal contact at the shoulder of the barrel?Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp Double checked: zero evidence of strike at opening on way out. All ammo the same Winchester 230-gr JHP. Yes, "can" adjustment moved point of impact "around the clock"...equally far away from bullseye. "Viton" (per accompanying pamphlet) O-ring inside front cap of "can." I lubed area with bit of Lubricate grease before trip to range.
Not sure what you mean by "tightened down," unless you mean without "can." If that's you're meaning, POI was 2" high, 2" right from same bench rest 15 yds away. Thx.
This. This is how you sell a product. Just bought one today
Was this test done with sub or supersonic ammo?
Really see you next Tuesday lol😂😂😂
Lets get one to Demolition Ranch, he is in San Antonio!
I have a gen 5 g45 and tryin to use a gsl phoenix suppressor, it doesnt even extract the fired cartridge, have to manually rack the slide to get the next round. Anything I can do?
Do the stock iron sights and 3rd co-witness optics like holosun 508t clear larger cans like that 45cal suppressor? Or would you recommend sticking to the thinner diameter cans? Is there a can diameter range that is recommended/supported for DR920?
When changed the recoil spring do you change out the striker spring as well? Heavy recoil spring and a heavier striker spring?
Very helpful video. Would you recommend proactively swapping to a heavier spring on a DR920 running a MOD9-FS if I'm planning to run it suppressed full time?
I would, if it really will be a mostly suppressed gun. The guns run fine with a 20 lbs if your technique is decent and the ammo is not some powderpuff stuff. Only trade off might be a little more perceived recoil. Trevor
Someone already got my question out about red dot weight but how about barrel and slide length adding weight? Like would the dr920 or dr920l need a longer or tougher spring due to weight to ensure it cycles? Looking for a cr920 as my new carry gun and if I fall in love I’m thinking xr920 for a duty pistol with room for a comp or suppressor.
The main factors affecting spring weight are coupled mass (barrel plus slide), uncoupled mass (slide), ammunition (huge), shooter technique (huge), and friction. Whether the guns you mentioned will need a different spring will depend on those factors--keep in mind that bigger slides are not necessarily heavier as you can machine weight out of them in other areas as we have with the DR920P.
The irony here is that your spring is faced with competing objectives. The goal is to have a strong enough spring to protect the gun from damage, a weak enough spring to always eject with a wide range of ammunition and shooter technique, a strong enough spring to strip the round and push the round up the ramp. Add a comp and a suppressor and it all gets even worse! Trevor
The Steve Jobs of firearms.. seriously, i wish i was this professional.
What backstrap were u using.. Nothing to do with anything just curious
MR920P coming, pretty please?
Are the sights that come standard on any of the Shadow Systems pistols suppressor height?
Hi Cody. No, our sight height is optimized for use with most optics in our optic cut. Suppressor height sights would be taller. Trevor
@@ShadowSystemsCorp thank you
Hey Trevor quick question how do you get the thread protector to stay on after about 4 shots have to tighten back down I seen you retighted the can after about 4 shot didn't know if you had any suggestions on how to get it to stay on..
Did you put the rubber o ring on that comes in the bag?
Hi Tyler, there is a rubber o-ring in the box from when you bought your pistol. That o-ring is meant to be used to keep the thread protector on. You’ll place the o-ring over the end of the barrel and then tighten the thread protector on as tight as you can hand tighten it. The o-ring will squish out to the sides a bit-you want that; that squishing will give the friction you need to keep the thread protector in place. One note, the o-ring must be removed before using any muzzle device.
@@elliottkeyes9448 I did not put it on I got it but did not put on will be doing that asap
@@ShadowSystemsCorp thank you I will be putting that on and see what happens thank you for the help 🙏
Does that apply to subs too
See you next Tuesday! Hahahaha
Awesome Awesome Awesome
Physics is an amazing truth teller 🙌🏼
This presentation will be shared far and wide.
It only took me 1 1/2 years to find a perfect example of why I run an 11 lb spring when I shoot my comped pistol and now that i'm putting my Omega 36m on my AXG today I will drop the 18 lb spring on her right out the gate and work backwards.
I literally can't congratulate you enough
for putting this out there on the InnerWeb 🙌🏼🫵🏼🙌🏼
Excellent Job Sir!
Thanks Again
What could we expect to see if we left the heavier spring in with can off? Thanks
Should run just fine unless there are issues with shooter technique or really lightly loaded ammo. Trevor
Does anybody else get a bunch of gas and small pieces coming back in your face when suppressing a Glock 17?
Want reliability with a can? Buy an H&k not a Glock copy😂
You've never shot a shadow have you
@@codyjackson1648 it’s a Glock. 😂
@@reker.a579015 year old girls, and butt pirates use emojis when they type. Man up.
In addition, they are referred to as HK, not H&K. It isn't 1989.