Macedonia didn't even. It was a Kingdom. And the way of ruling makes you separate things? In Athens there was Democracy. In Sparta, Oligarchy. But there were both city-states. There were both Greeks.
Pontic Mapping Yes it did. Because the city-state was an organization system and not a political one. That means, that each city-state as an organization system, it can separately have different political system than other city-states. Athens was a city-state that had Democracy as a politcal system (after the reform of Kleisthenes and later Perikles) . Sparta was also a city-state that had Oligarchy as a political system. Last but not least, don't forget that Athens passed through all the political systems. Monarchy, Oligarchy, Aristocracy, Tyranny, Democracy. But it was a city-state, in all of them.
***** Please just please, let me correct you because I am of Roman ancestry but Greek too, they called themselves "Romioi" tho they knew they were ethnically Greek.
+Switzerland Rome or (Ρώμη) dear ignorant friend is the capital of the old Latin (Roman ) Empire which took its name from the Greek word (ρωμη) that means strength. Greeks always called themselves romaioi or romioi way before 146 bc when Romans conquered Greece. Your facts are completely wrong. The word has pre existed Rome and Latio. The Latin language itself has its roots in the Greek language. Let's get some things straight and stop throwing gibberish to impress. The Byzantine empire is a structure entirely based on a new greek model of ancient way more democratic ruling than that of the Roman model with the executions and the never ending quest of conquering. The Byzantine empire had a defensive character when it came to foreign enemies unlike the Roman that greed for conquers hip pushed it on deprivation and eventually decay. Alexander the Great isn't of a Slavic decent simply because there were no fucking Slavs at that time. Alexander itself is a name full of Greekness...
The Eastern Roman Empire gradually morphed into a Greek Commonwealth. The people of the empire called themselves Romioi or Graiki. The terms were interchangeable. The Pope referred to this empire as Empire of the Greeks. Following Ottoman conquests the Turks referred to their Greek subjects as 'Rum'. Even the modern Greeks up until the late 19th century called themselves Romioi. In other words the Romans and Greeks had become indistinguishable. If you have any doubts about this refer to Patriarch of Constantinople ethnicity. He identifies himself as a Modern Greek.
Steve Mitsos Correction, the Byzantines never called themselves Graikous, but instead they used the term "Romios" and later the term "Hellenas" which literally translates to Greek or Hellene
It was quoted from Peter Mackridge - 'Language and National Identity in Greece, 1766-1976. The proper spelling is Graikoi. This was obviously a Latin name. The word Hellene was resurrected later as the newly formed nation attempted to re-establish a connection with the Hellenes of antiquity. That's not to say that this link is artificial. Who better to make this claim than the Modern people who speak a language derived from Koine (Hellenistic Greek). But the Byzantines were not like the Hellenes. They were a fusion of Greco-Roman culture with a good dose of Judeo-Christian ritualistic traditions. They were part of a Theocratic State. Athenian democracy had been flushed down the toilet. They had forgotten much of the Ancient wisdom of the Hellenes. They no longer traced their spiritual genesis to the fields of Troy but to a Jewish Adam and Eve. Even the great Hellenic centres of learning such as the Academy of Plato were closed by these religious fanatics.
+Geliefde Liefde Mate, as Antiochos told you Ancient Macedonia was Greek. Greece wasn't a united state back then, but they still were Greeks because: They spoke greek (another dialect, but still greek), their letters were greek, they believed in the greek gods and they participated in the Olympics (only greeks were allowed to). The ancient land of Macedonia is now divided among Balkan countries like Greece, Bulgaria, Albania and the modern slavic Macedonia. I don't mind if they use the name Macedonia, because it make sense for geographical reasons, but please don't change history. It's unethical. I don't have anything against Slavs, but ancient Macedonia wasn't slavic. It was Greek.
Geliefde Liefde So where is the DNA study? You choose to believe what you want to believe, not what is real. You are deluded with propaganda. Tell me: Is every historian in the world wrong and only your historians and scientists know the truth? Do Slav names have anything in common with ancient Macedonian names? Of course not! Do Greek names have anything in common with ancient Macedonian names? Yes, They are Greek! I told you it's stupid not to let you be called whatever you want. As I said, geographically it makes sense to call your country Macedonia, even if it's not the continuation of the ancient one. But, changing history is unethical and wrong and you lack arguments to prove your theory.
Antiochos You will have to wait. It seems he can't find any sources for his arguments :P Geliefde Liefde Man, there's no links. What are you talking about?
Geliefde Liefde Your an idiot the Pagan Roman Empire fell in 476AD the Byzantine is the Eastern Roman Empire. it's not the same as you think but similar. Also yes they spoke Greek not Vardarskan, a fake Slavic country made by the Vatican didn't exist at that time.
Geliefde Liefde Macedonians in Hellas, citizens of Macedonia speak Hellenic since ancient times. Since around 700 BC. That's a fact. MACEDONIAN PRIDE WORLDWIDE
+aantony2001 We know but now it doesn't. And since the greeks identified as that it's fair to say they identified as greeks(under a different name of course)
+John Vel. Let us be precise: Since Roman Age Macedonia has been a geographical or administrative area, not a seperate nation! Several ethnicities have lived there through the centuries! Obviously, Greeks were always there!
Macedonia and Byzantium controlled Greece... they we're Greek; No one says Athenians or Spartans conquered Greece for a reason, get your facts straight.
spλrκ Byzantium (then called Constantinople) was the capitol of the former eastern Roman empire and controlled by a "Roman" emperor, and although it is fair to say that they got more and more Greek, the eastern Roman empire was originally controlled by Romans, and therefore by foreigners.
@@sebastiaankruis3006 you say "roman emperor" many Greeks emperors have been in Byzantine empire idiot. Roman is Greek word also, also all Byzantine people and emperors hate westerns romans latin people, in the capitol speak Greek , Greek is the official language, last emperor again from Greek family ,idiot until now is ecumenical Patriarchy exist and continues role from Greeks Patriarchs . For that shut the fuck up! One more tell me your country.
guys get your facts straight... Eastern Roman Empire had nothing to do with Rome and its decedant Western Roman Empire. Eastern Romans were Greek-speaking , orthodox christians whilst the western romans were latin speaking catholics. They even had wars between them - no one was controlled by foreigners , back at the time Roman was a national identity not an ethnicity. So the residents of nowaday Greece are Greek-speaking orthodox and nowaday Italy is Italian-speaking catholics. So Greece is the heir of the Eastern part and Italy the heir of the western part, simple af.
Lol, Greece is undergoing destruction and you people are still hysterical about this bullshit. They call themselves Macedonians, we call them Macedonians, that's not going to change and y'all need to get over it.
+patriotistopiano I don't dislike Greece. I'm just telling you how people outside Greece and the region see this silly conflict and especially since the Greeks are harping on it despite the many other problems Greece and Europe is going through right now.
TheSpiritOfTheTimes Well your history and identity is very important because if you loose that then nothing else really matters. People outside Greece and the region do not really understand what is going on in Greece and the region..
you will never be a macedonian , alexander and phillip were macedonian kings , never were they kings of any country called greece . get real . your king is king otto who created you .
you are greek a name that never existed before 1830 a creation of king otto and bankrupt starving nation . insult to call a macedonian greek . macedonians arnt homeless or starving .
yeah that region can be a country, we never said otherwise (even though it was ours back then we dont claim it). the problem is the name. it insults me and many others as a Greek and as Macedonian. if Namimbians or Tahitians or Martians take over half of the east part of Greece (Thrace) they'll call themselfs Thracians and say... we are descendants of Protagoras and Democritus?
there are some people my friend who wont accept that Macedonian Kingdom was a Greek Kingdom and Byzantine Empire as well (from what i saw in some comments here). as an Iranian i think they've teached you that stuff. I am a Macedon (real one) from my father's side and my mother's ancestors are from Constantinople and these guys are really trying to "fade" our heritage because they dont have one. like when they say... "modern Greeks are Egyptian immigrants". when they dont know that Greeks were also in Egypt (we were fucking everywhere) like Cleopatra, Euclid, Ptolemy or Battus. its not the Greeks that they descent from others. its the others that descent from us and they mixed it up.
ToonArmyGreece Believe me my friend I know exactly what your saying now. For us as Persians, we have the same problem specially with Arabs and Turks. Although we know that Macedonia conquered Persia we have huge respect for them because they were worthy and respectful opponents. and they do teach us about civilizations and every thing , we must study history for at least 8 years in school. We identify Macedonians as Greek, just because they were different state doesn't mean that they are not Greek. But really this heritage and history stealing is a huge problem for us now, because of this young countries trying to make up some culture and root for themselves.
What a simple, useless video on any country. 1) Ancient Macedonia has nothing do to with the newly formed nation calling itself Macedonia. Ancient Macedonians were of the Doric tribe direct brothers of Spartans and they spoke Greek, part of Greek culture and expanded their land during Phillip 2 and Alexander the Great. Alexander the Great is Macedonian like Pericles was Athenian but all were common ethnicity based on language and culture. Alexander's empire was from his interest in the Iliad to be immortal like his hero Achilles and take revenge on the Persians for their invasion of Greece when they destroyed Athens during the Greco-Persian Wars and Persian influence on Greek city-states. His empire lead to the Hellenistic age which basically is the expansion of Greek culture throughout the Mediterranean & Middle East. You don't get more Greek than that. Byzantium was also predominately Greek and Greek speaking populations built and named because of ancient Greek city of Byzantium but the Roman Empire moved the power of Rome under Constantine renaming it Constantinople. Was a mixture of Greek & Roman culture heavily influenced by Greek culture. Again, you don't get more Greek than that. Get your facts right. This is taught in universities all over. The nation-state of Rep Macedonia are of Slavic decent closely related to Bulgarians. Only reason they claim the name because of Tito's interest in expanding into the Aegean for sea access and a small portion of their land historically being a part of greater Macedonia during the Roman-Byzantine eras. Simple as that, nothing more. If they were Macedonian descent then why do they not speak Greek? Why do they relate to Slavs? Also, Byzantine Empire under two Greeks created today what is the Slavic language for them and converted them into Christianity. Again, all historical facts.
+Geliefde Liefde a tomb was discovered in Amphipolis, Macedonia, Greece and many people speculate that it was built for alexander the great. His body hasn't been found there, many people think that it wasn't used because it was seized by Ptolemy I Soter. If that wasn't his tomb it is probably in the city of alexandria
+Geliefde Liefde prove me that he is not greek, since you obviously don't believe any information I throw at you. You haven't said any information as to why he is not greek
im from croatia.from region of northen dalmatia and i live in a city that used to belong to ancient greece. Looks like greece has done lot of things in adriatic sea and im neutral with greece
Mecedonia is not country, is ancient area of greek, bulgarian and fyrom land. You mean FYROM country when you say macedonia here. Also the islands megisti, kastelorizo, ro and stoggili are greek, but they are not appear on your map. Thanks.
I watched this video and imediately disliked it. The video calls FYROM, a country inhabited mostly from Slavs and Albanians, "Macedonia" and that in the ancient times, "Macedonia" ruled Greece. The video indicates also that the Byzantine Empire ruled Greece. Both Empires were Greek! Macedonian is like saying Athenian or Spartan etc. Greeks from different regions. Byzantine Empire was the 1000+ years lasting Greek Empire from 330 A.D -1453 A.D Get your facts right, read BASIC history and then make a video!!!
When King Otto combined all the Albanians, Vlach's, Slavs, Gypsies, Turks , he gave you a new identity in 1832! You first ruler was not even a Greek like your subsequent Albanian rulers. What is a modern Greek because you go to a Western country you'd get confused for a Turk or a Leb so do not start throwing identities at Macedonians when yours is questionable. See how easy it is today to get into Greece by boat? What's not to say this happened hundreds and thousands of years. Maybe check your DNA. The Ottomons had the Parthenon as your harem for 400 years making future Greek babies and the Greeks in and around Pella like Mitch below came during the population exchange in the early 1900's from Turkey. That Pontion now thinks he's related to Alexander the Great and telling the Macedonians living on that land for thousands of years that they're not Macedonian. Honestly you Greeks, can you get any more pathetic? EVERYTHING I SAY IS FACT CHECK FOR YOURSELF BELOW IS A VIDEO MADE BY GREEKS IN GREECE SPEAKING GREEK!!!!! th-cam.com/video/Kggzwl1n2Mo/w-d-xo.html !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST A SMALL MACEDONIAN TOWN IN NORTHERN GREECE (SOUTHERN MACEDONIA)!!!!th-cam.com/video/PS4iyc75geE/w-d-xo.html
Anatolia was mostly a greek region that even took its name from the greek ανατολή that means "east" where the sun is rising. Until this day it is still a region and not a country. If turkey decide to call all turkey Anatolia then yes their is a problem to that. And don't get me wrong we don't claim the land. The land can change hands a lot of times but everybody have to respect history as it is.
M K wtf is your problem? The Byzantines (greek continuity of the roman empire) ruled that land for what? Hundreds of years? Before that? The roman Empire, there were greeks there. Before? Already greeks until conquered by persia. Seriously ffs learn history you ignorant swine they stopped being greek some hundreds years ago with the greek exile from Anatolia.. ffs
Both Macedonia and Byzantine empire ( for the majority of its life span) were Greeks, using the word "ruled Greece" is misleading as these empires represented ancient and medieval Greece.
Macedonia is a region of Hellas,is the home of Alexander,is the land of Macedonian fighters(grand-grandfather),is where my family is from,is where Macedonians live.....the other that some sillies and the slav of FYROM call @#$%^ is mislead and very very wrong of course
cause greece banished all the macedonians from northern greece and now they have to do everything at their power to remove the macedonian identity and history so we wouldn't one day try to bring back the lost territories at least the properties of the macedonians that were forcefully removed from that region
Getting butthurt over other people expressing their opinion about a local conflict in Balkans, is probably your kind of stupidity. I saw at least 50 commetns of you in the video. You should get a life really fast man..
Lol Byzantine is Greek and simply couldn't rule Greece when it was Greek hahahaha. Same case with ancient Macedonia who'd speak Greek and worship Greek gods as well as being able to participate in Olympics which were only for Greek people. It's common sense....
You would think that Greeks would know that most ancient Greeks didn’t consider Macedonian’s to be one of them, and they needed a BS excuse to join the olympics. We would probably call them Greek today, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t viewed as scary foreigners then.
Byzantines controled Greece but byzantines were greeks, then greeks controled Byzantine Empire because byzantines were greeks. The greek element took over the Eastern Roman Empire and then becoming the Byzantine Empire.
MACEDONIA WAS AN ANCIENT GREEK REGION OF NORTHERN GREECE, JUST LIKE MANY OTHER GREEK EMPIRES STARTED FROM CONSTANTINOPLE( example ) OR IDK THE MACEDONIAN EMPIRE STARTED IN MACEDONIA
Byzantine empire didnt occupy Greece. It was the eastern part of the roman empire which became independent after the split of the roman empire and in which the greek language and culture was prevalent. Even its name was greek. It was named after the ancient greek city state of Byzantium which was founded in the area of the city that is called Instanbul today. It was the political, economical and social evolution of the hellenistic empire of Alexander the great. Hellen means Greek. Its citizens were greeks. It wasn't occupied by roman army.
It was a occupy, by Romans which means Italian, 'Byzantium' name is made-up by historian for separate typical roman empire, there was a lot of nations under the east roman empire and greeks one of that nation, also Arabs, Armenians, others, dynasty of eastern Rome is Italian, they did adopt greek language because they did build their capital inside of the greek cities and people of the Constantinople was greek that's the way they are speaking greek. Italians ruled them for nearly 900 years, that's the story.
@@agnusdei8442 nope... Eastern Roman Empire had nothing to do with Western Roman Empire. It was Greek-speaking, orthodox and not latin speaking catholic. Actually, both empires were at odds, fighting with each other. And of course there wasn't a single Italian king in Greece or in Eastern Roman Empire as Italy was created much later as a state. But of course if we are talking about legacies, I do not see a conection between modern Italy and the Greek-speaking orthodox Eastern Roman Empire, despite the fact that has the name "roman" (as it was a name that depicted the nationality not the ethnicity - that's why even in modern times Romania is not considered Italian) . So Eastern Roman Empire was Greek-speaking orthodox same as the people of nowadays Greece and Western Roman Empire was latin-speaking catholics pretty close to modern Italy. Also Holy Roman Empire was German speaking and therefore correpsonds propably to today's Germany.
It s F.Y.R.O.M not Macedonia.Macedonia is the NorthEast and NorthWest part of Greece.What you presenting here is FALSE and you are not a trustfull source of information.You have to change your references or delete the video.
Some maps as well that prove that this is a pseudo state renamed in 1944 by Tito the distator of Yugoslavia to annex the real Macedonia located in northen Greece in order to gain access to the Aegean sea by siegeing the port of Thessaloniki: history-of-macedonia.com/2013/10/10/vardarska-banovina-xartes-diplomata/ upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/K%C3%B6nigreich_Jugoslawien.jpg
Macedonia is region in Greece, but so called F.Y.R.O.M. is not a country. The east part of the land is Bulgarian and the people indeed speak Bulgarian with a bit of accent.
The Macedonians were a Greek Kingdom. You basically said that the geography of greece allowed one part of greece to take over another part of greece....
Macedonia is a greek territory,the state above this greek region is called North Macedonia for no apparent reason (they are not greeks ,they dont speak greek and they have nothing to do with the ancients greeks nor Alexander the Great)by the current agreement!you should check twice when you make this video's
everybody is bitching about Greece and Macedonia and Im here wondering how Greece has the longest coast lines? correct me if im wrong but isnt coast line basically the side of the country facing water like how USA has 2 coastlines and then Russia has the big long one that stretches across the world
It's quite obvious. It's small to medium sized country, yes.. but look at the way the landmass curves, look between the Peloponnese and Central Greece with the inland sea for example, so much coastline.
When King Otto combined all the Albanians, Vlach's, Slavs, Gypsies, Turks , he gave you a new identity in 1832! You first ruler was not even a Greek like your subsequent Albanian rulers. What is a modern Greek because you go to a Western country you'd get confused for a Turk or a Leb so do not start throwing identities at Macedonians when yours is questionable. See how easy it is today to get into Greece by boat? What's not to say this happened hundreds and thousands of years. Maybe check your DNA. The Ottomons had the Parthenon as your harem for 400 years making future Greek babies and the Greeks in and around Pella like Mitch below came during the population exchange in the early 1900's from Turkey. That Pontion now thinks he's related to Alexander the Great and telling the Macedonians living on that land for thousands of years that they're not Macedonian. Honestly you Greeks, can you get any more pathetic? EVERYTHING I SAY IS FACT CHECK FOR YOURSELF BELOW IS A VIDEO MADE BY GREEKS IN GREECE SPEAKING GREEK!!!!! th-cam.com/video/Kggzwl1n2Mo/w-d-xo.html !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST A SMALL MACEDONIAN TOWN IN NORTHERN GREECE (SOUTHERN MACEDONIA)!!!!th-cam.com/video/PS4iyc75geE/w-d-xo.html
Extremely poorly researched video... 1) Calling FYROM Macedonia 2) insinuating the Byzantine Empire and the Macedonia Empire were foreign occupators, when in fact they were Greek 3) Failing to even mention the geographic issue of defending the isles bordering Turkey with whom Greece has difficult relationship with.
ITS A FALSE HISTORICAL FOOTAGE! GREECE AND MACEDONIA ARE BOTH GREEK STATES AND UNITED SINCE THE 5TH CENTURY BC. THE BYZANTINE EPMIRE WAS THE GREEKO/ROMAN EMPIRE TILL IT SEPARATED IN TO WEST & EAST CHURCH BUT THE ORTHODOX BYZANTIUM WAS ALWAYS THE CENTRE OF THE WORLD AND ITS ADMINISTRATION, ITS SCHOLARS ITS HERETICS AND CULTURE WAS WAS 100% HELLENISTIC AS PER ST. CONSTANTINE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE. TILL ITS FALL IN 1453 BY THE OTTOMAN OSMAN-TURKS. THE BYZANTIUM WAS THE GATEWAY TO CHRISTIANITY AND CIVILISATION, WITH NUMEROUS UNIVERSITIES IN ITS ENVIED CITY OF CONSTANTINOPLE. THE PROTO-NEW TESTAMENT IS ALSO WRITEN IN GREEK AND CREATED BY GREEK ECCLESIASTIC SCHOLARS, SINCE THE ONLY COMPLETED LANGUAGE WAS AND STILL IS THE GREEK LANGUAGE!!!
How is possible to make videos like these and ingore basic facts like Macedonias identity? Saying that Macedonians ruled Greece like Turks did , is like saying Romans ruled Italy.
Gaecia = Geographic Expression denoting an area in south-west Balkan. It is not the same area as you describe it. Look at all the old maps. There is NO GRAECIA in Anatolia or South Thracia or Pontus or other areas were there were Hellenes. So Greek is like British and Hellene is a cultural identity that arrived in Graecia after the 7th century BC. The REAL OLD GRAECIA, as shown in the OLD MAPS (before 18th century) includes Albania, as was before 18th century, not the Albania today which is bigger, It also includes Dardania, Emathia (Macedonia) Epirus, and goes all the way down to Morea (Peloponnese.) These lands were initially populated only by Illyrian/Pelasgians, and later by middle eastern settles like Hellenes and others. After the Barbarian invasions, Slavs also settled into Graecia. Today there are many different Greeks, i.e. Illyrians (Albanians, Dardanians, Epirians, Emathians, Moreans) Slavs, Hellenes, Turks, and God knows what. Just like today there are many different British people, where as before there were only the Celts.
when greece was created 1830 macedonia was never part of greece . macedonia was divided 1913 bucharest accord .macedonians divided , families divided .
but Makedonias history is way longer than the fake (macedonia was divided)stories about your fake territory-fake race-fake language! the real Makedonia it was existing from ancient times(as an hellenic kingdom)and not like in your books in 1913!and has nothing to do with slavs or the peonia region(in the time of Alexandros your regions name was peonia!!!)and because Greece was ,,created,, in 1830 as a ,,modern,, Staat this doesnt means that greeks have before not existed as an ethnos(ethnic!)we are the opposite from fyro-ians...we greeks or hellenes were allways an ethnic-group and become after a staat-you never was an ethnic(it doesnt exist an macedonian ethnic!!!)and you become a staat without a stabile name,by force because the world-elit wanted it so... the makedonians really were slaughtered by the balkan-wars...but what you forgot to mention(or your ,,fyro-historians,, changed, is that the were greek-makedons wich were killed by bulgarians!and today your ,,academics,, speak about macedonian-genocide....it never was an macedonian-genocide!!! if you can call it so than it was an greek genocide!!because the victims were greeks!!! but we are used that your fake country allways turns the stories around!!! so next time when fyro- claim something,all the world must know that the opposite is true!!!
Oh yes i forgot to mention that ONLY GREECE makes true empires from zero with the sword and the pen depended on only on our own few manpower and living the defeated their dignity, all the rest of them (Rome and the Ottomans)found the barbarians all civilised and ready with streets and infrastructure already made, do to our own mistakes.
very good Video good job, BUT Macedonia is not Macedonia its Skopje - Slav wich kind is transform to Northern Macedonia but this is not accepted by the people of Greece it was a decision made by the rightCentr Political situation and problem Greece have now
Aleksandar Petrovski Where the fuck did you learn history??? Seriously, you are the biggest idiot I've ever seen! Greece didn't attack anyone during the war. Italy asked Greece to surrender and accept being conquered, but Greece said "OXI!" (which means "no"). Italy then tried to invade Greece through Albania, but the Greeks fought them and won. Sadly, Nazi Germany came later and defeated Greece. Still, in Greece we had EAM (National Liberation Front) that fought the Nazis. Greece has many deaths to to the Nazi invaders, but it played a big role in weakening them. It's resistance was heroic. Don't shit on the memory of these people that were killed and tortured as they fought the Nazis. Also, every country has a stupid neo-nazi party. Golden Down receives 7%, which isn't little, but still what about the other 93%. Are they pure Nazis as well? You seem to be a racist that is one of the main aspects of the Nazis. Most Greeks hate the Golden Dawn.
Aleksandar Petrovski Where the fuck did you learn history??? Seriously, you are the biggest idiot I've ever seen! Greece didn't attack anyone during the war. Italy asked Greece to surrender and accept being conquered, but Greece said "OXI!" (which means "no"). Italy then tried to invade Greece through Albania, but the Greeks fought them and won. Sadly, Nazi Germany came later and defeated Greece. Still, in Greece we had EAM (National Liberation Front) that fought the Nazis. Greece has many deaths to to the Nazi invaders, but it played a big role in weakening them. It's resistance was heroic. Don't shit on the memory of these people that were killed and tortured as they fought the Nazis. Also, every country has a stupid neo-nazi party. Golden Down receives 7%, which isn't little, but still what about the other 93%. Are they pure Nazis as well? You seem to be a racist that is one of the main aspects of the Nazis. Most Greeks hate the Golden Dawn.
It's very naive to assume that the current poor economic situation of Greece is due to the lack of arable land. This is the 21st century, not the low middle ages.
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Macedonian Empire was Greek itself.
+Hay Power The Byzantine Too.
+Socialist Pontus Yes
Macedonia didn't even. It was a Kingdom. And the way of ruling makes you separate things? In Athens there was Democracy. In Sparta, Oligarchy. But there were both city-states. There were both Greeks.
***** Actualy Sparta Was A Kingdom and a City State At The Same Time
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Yes it did. Because the city-state was an organization system and not a political one. That means, that each city-state as an organization system, it can separately have different political system than other city-states.
Athens was a city-state that had Democracy as a politcal system (after the reform of Kleisthenes and later Perikles) .
Sparta was also a city-state that had Oligarchy as a political system.
Last but not least, don't forget that Athens passed through all the political systems. Monarchy, Oligarchy, Aristocracy, Tyranny, Democracy. But it was a city-state, in all of them.
Macedonia didn't rule Greece because it was a Hellenic Kingdom itself, just like the Byzantine Empire
***** Please just please, let me correct you because I am of Roman ancestry but Greek too, they called themselves "Romioi" tho they knew they were ethnically Greek.
+Switzerland Rome or (Ρώμη) dear ignorant friend is the capital of the old Latin (Roman ) Empire which took its name from the Greek word (ρωμη) that means strength. Greeks always called themselves romaioi or romioi way before 146 bc when Romans conquered Greece. Your facts are completely wrong. The word has pre existed Rome and Latio. The Latin language itself has its roots in the Greek language. Let's get some things straight and stop throwing gibberish to impress. The Byzantine empire is a structure entirely based on a new greek model of ancient way more democratic ruling than that of the Roman model with the executions and the never ending quest of conquering. The Byzantine empire had a defensive character when it came to foreign enemies unlike the Roman that greed for conquers hip pushed it on deprivation and eventually decay. Alexander the Great isn't of a Slavic decent simply because there were no fucking Slavs at that time. Alexander itself is a name full of Greekness...
The Eastern Roman Empire gradually morphed into a Greek Commonwealth. The people of the empire called themselves Romioi or Graiki. The terms were interchangeable. The Pope referred to this empire as Empire of the Greeks. Following Ottoman conquests the Turks referred to their Greek subjects as 'Rum'. Even the modern Greeks up until the late 19th century called themselves Romioi. In other words the Romans and Greeks had become indistinguishable. If you have any doubts about this refer to Patriarch of Constantinople ethnicity. He identifies himself as a Modern Greek.
Steve Mitsos Correction, the Byzantines never called themselves Graikous, but instead they used the term "Romios" and later the term "Hellenas" which literally translates to Greek or Hellene
It was quoted from Peter Mackridge - 'Language and National Identity in Greece, 1766-1976. The proper spelling is Graikoi.
This was obviously a Latin name. The word Hellene was resurrected later as the newly formed nation attempted to re-establish a connection with the Hellenes of antiquity. That's not to say that this link is artificial. Who better to make this claim than the Modern people who speak a language derived from Koine (Hellenistic Greek).
But the Byzantines were not like the Hellenes. They were a fusion of Greco-Roman culture with a good dose of Judeo-Christian ritualistic traditions. They were part of a Theocratic State. Athenian democracy had been flushed down the toilet. They had forgotten much of the Ancient wisdom of the Hellenes. They no longer traced their spiritual genesis to the fields of Troy but to a Jewish Adam and Eve. Even the great Hellenic centres of learning such as the Academy of Plato were closed by these religious fanatics.
Macedonian empire was Greek and Byzantine was GrecoRoman
+Geliefde Liefde Mate, as Antiochos told you Ancient Macedonia was Greek. Greece wasn't a united state back then, but they still were Greeks because: They spoke greek (another dialect, but still greek), their letters were greek, they believed in the greek gods and they participated in the Olympics (only greeks were allowed to). The ancient land of Macedonia is now divided among Balkan countries like Greece, Bulgaria, Albania and the modern slavic Macedonia. I don't mind if they use the name Macedonia, because it make sense for geographical reasons, but please don't change history. It's unethical. I don't have anything against Slavs, but ancient Macedonia wasn't slavic. It was Greek.
Geliefde Liefde
Oh really? DNA? When did this study happen and how?
Geliefde Liefde
So where is the DNA study? You choose to believe what you want to believe, not what is real. You are deluded with propaganda. Tell me: Is every historian in the world wrong and only your historians and scientists know the truth? Do Slav names have anything in common with ancient Macedonian names? Of course not! Do Greek names have anything in common with ancient Macedonian names? Yes, They are Greek!
I told you it's stupid not to let you be called whatever you want. As I said, geographically it makes sense to call your country Macedonia, even if it's not the continuation of the ancient one. But, changing history is unethical and wrong and you lack arguments to prove your theory.
Antiochos
You will have to wait. It seems he can't find any sources for his arguments :P
Geliefde Liefde Man, there's no links. What are you talking about?
Geliefde Liefde Your an idiot the Pagan Roman Empire fell in 476AD the Byzantine is the Eastern Roman Empire. it's not the same as you think but similar. Also yes they spoke Greek not Vardarskan, a fake Slavic country made by the Vatican didn't exist at that time.
Macedonia is Greek! The country whose people call themselves "Macedonians" is actually called Vardaska
+Switzerland shut up ..switzerland has no history
+Switzerland so your history belongs to germans,italians and franks
someone is mad cause his country has no history and is trying to steel ours
Gypsie dont talk about HELLAS history you most wash you mouth first,
Just open your borders and absorb more of these Muslims and we can discuss in 50 years what that little ex tax-haven country of yours has become.
I hope people do realize that in Macedonia they speak Slavic and their language is exactly the same as Bulgarian
No in Macedonia they speak Hellenic.
MACEDONIAN PRIDE WORLDWIDE
Geliefde Liefde
Macedonians in Hellas, citizens of Macedonia speak Hellenic since ancient times. Since around 700 BC. That's a fact.
MACEDONIAN PRIDE WORLDWIDE
no he is acttualy rigthi live in grrece and in the region of macedonia and we speak all greek
Launta Actually, in FYROM, they speak a dialect of Bulgarian, witch borders being a language.
Greece and Bulgaria are similar . Bulgariens have % Greek in them
makedonians were greeks and at the of byzantine time they intetified themselfs as greeks
+Γιαννης Αεκ They identified themselves as ρωμαίοι>ρωμέοι>ρωμιοί/ρωμηοί. Έλληνας meant idolater.
+aantony2001 We know but now it doesn't. And since the greeks identified as that it's fair to say they identified as greeks(under a different name of course)
Poursa Yes.
+John Vel. Let us be precise: Since Roman Age Macedonia has been a geographical or administrative area, not a seperate nation! Several ethnicities have lived there through the centuries! Obviously, Greeks were always there!
Giorgos Papadopoulos Kings of Romans?
Macedonia and Byzantium controlled Greece... they we're Greek; No one says Athenians or Spartans conquered Greece for a reason, get your facts straight.
No such thing, really so who wrote your version of history?
spλrκ Byzantium (then called Constantinople) was the capitol of the former eastern Roman empire and controlled by a "Roman" emperor, and although it is fair to say that they got more and more Greek, the eastern Roman empire was originally controlled by Romans, and therefore by foreigners.
@@sebastiaankruis3006 you say "roman emperor" many Greeks emperors have been in Byzantine empire idiot. Roman is Greek word also, also all Byzantine people and emperors hate westerns romans latin people, in the capitol speak Greek , Greek is the official language, last emperor again from Greek family ,idiot until now is ecumenical Patriarchy exist and continues role from Greeks Patriarchs . For that shut the fuck up! One more tell me your country.
guys get your facts straight... Eastern Roman Empire had nothing to do with Rome and its decedant Western Roman Empire. Eastern Romans were Greek-speaking , orthodox christians whilst the western romans were latin speaking catholics. They even had wars between them - no one was controlled by foreigners , back at the time Roman was a national identity not an ethnicity. So the residents of nowaday Greece are Greek-speaking orthodox and nowaday Italy is Italian-speaking catholics. So Greece is the heir of the Eastern part and Italy the heir of the western part, simple af.
STOP CALLING FYROM "MACEDONIA"!!
THEY ARE BULGARIANS AND THEY SPEAK SLAVIC!!
MACEDONIA = GREECE
Lol, Greece is undergoing destruction and you people are still hysterical about this bullshit. They call themselves Macedonians, we call them Macedonians, that's not going to change and y'all need to get over it.
TheSpiritOfTheTimes
History will get over filthy liers like them and you.
TheSpiritOfTheTimes
So you very much dislike Greece.
+patriotistopiano I don't dislike Greece. I'm just telling you how people outside Greece and the region see this silly conflict and especially since the Greeks are harping on it despite the many other problems Greece and Europe is going through right now.
TheSpiritOfTheTimes
Well your history and identity is very important because if you loose that then nothing else really matters. People outside Greece and the region do not really understand what is going on in Greece and the region..
Macedonia is not a country. But a geographical area in northern Greece. I am Macedonian. I mean real Macedonian. Not a Slav.
PiTiGi ESC how do you know that you are macedonian and not athenian or spartan?
Συμφωνω κι εγω απο Μακεδονια ειμαι (Θεσσαλονικη)
you will never be a macedonian , alexander and phillip were macedonian kings , never were they kings of any country called greece . get real . your king is king otto who created you .
you are greek a name that never existed before 1830 a creation of king otto and bankrupt starving nation . insult to call a macedonian greek . macedonians arnt homeless or starving .
I agree, I'm from Jupiter
it borders Albania, Macedonia... *pause video* *dislike* *resume video*
Well Macedonia is a country, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
yeah that region can be a country, we never said otherwise (even though it was ours back then we dont claim it). the problem is the name. it insults me and many others as a Greek and as Macedonian. if Namimbians or Tahitians or Martians take over half of the east part of Greece (Thrace) they'll call themselfs Thracians and say... we are descendants of Protagoras and Democritus?
ok I'm Iranian and I have no clue whats going on so would you tell me he story ?
there are some people my friend who wont accept that Macedonian Kingdom was a Greek Kingdom and Byzantine Empire as well (from what i saw in some comments here). as an Iranian i think they've teached you that stuff. I am a Macedon (real one) from my father's side and my mother's ancestors are from Constantinople and these guys are really trying to "fade" our heritage because they dont have one. like when they say... "modern Greeks are Egyptian immigrants". when they dont know that Greeks were also in Egypt (we were fucking everywhere) like Cleopatra, Euclid, Ptolemy or Battus. its not the Greeks that they descent from others. its the others that descent from us and they mixed it up.
ToonArmyGreece
Believe me my friend I know exactly what your saying now. For us as Persians, we have the same problem specially with Arabs and Turks. Although we know that Macedonia conquered Persia we have huge respect for them because they were worthy and respectful opponents. and they do teach us about civilizations and every thing , we must study history for at least 8 years in school. We identify Macedonians as Greek, just because they were different state doesn't mean that they are not Greek. But really this heritage and history stealing is a huge problem for us now, because of this young countries trying to make up some culture and root for themselves.
from when macedonia is country?
αστα φιλε μιλαει για τους σκοπιανους ο βλακας
FYROM
September 8, 1991
Theo Papadopoulos einai ta skopia
Why can't you grow up
Macedonia is greek.FYROM IS THE OTHER COUNTRY
Macedonia is really. Greek?
Macedonia was never Greece.
@@dddfff3578 macedonia was greece and is greece .
why skopians caled themselves Macedonia
and Macedonians?
they are paeonians.
@@dddfff3578Are you even educated .
What a simple, useless video on any country. 1) Ancient Macedonia has nothing do to with the newly formed nation calling itself Macedonia. Ancient Macedonians were of the Doric tribe direct brothers of Spartans and they spoke Greek, part of Greek culture and expanded their land during Phillip 2 and Alexander the Great. Alexander the Great is Macedonian like Pericles was Athenian but all were common ethnicity based on language and culture. Alexander's empire was from his interest in the Iliad to be immortal like his hero Achilles and take revenge on the Persians for their invasion of Greece when they destroyed Athens during the Greco-Persian Wars and Persian influence on Greek city-states. His empire lead to the Hellenistic age which basically is the expansion of Greek culture throughout the Mediterranean & Middle East. You don't get more Greek than that. Byzantium was also predominately Greek and Greek speaking populations built and named because of ancient Greek city of Byzantium but the Roman Empire moved the power of Rome under Constantine renaming it Constantinople. Was a mixture of Greek & Roman culture heavily influenced by Greek culture. Again, you don't get more Greek than that. Get your facts right. This is taught in universities all over. The nation-state of Rep Macedonia are of Slavic decent closely related to Bulgarians. Only reason they claim the name because of Tito's interest in expanding into the Aegean for sea access and a small portion of their land historically being a part of greater Macedonia during the Roman-Byzantine eras. Simple as that, nothing more. If they were Macedonian descent then why do they not speak Greek? Why do they relate to Slavs? Also, Byzantine Empire under two Greeks created today what is the Slavic language for them and converted them into Christianity. Again, all historical facts.
slavs originate from greece
Alexander the Great had a Greek mother and a Greek father. So what did that make him--Chinese?
Alexander was Greek, born in Greek Macedonia. He was not Slavic. He was Hellenic, Greek.
+Jacob Anderson his tomb had greek written in it!!! If this is to much for your tiny ass brain to process go back and watch some spongebob
+Geliefde Liefde a tomb was discovered in Amphipolis, Macedonia, Greece and many people speculate that it was built for alexander the great. His body hasn't been found there, many people think that it wasn't used because it was seized by Ptolemy I Soter. If that wasn't his tomb it is probably in the city of alexandria
+Geliefde Liefde prove me that he is not greek, since you obviously don't believe any information I throw at you. You haven't said any information as to why he is not greek
+Geliefde Liefde Alexander the great was born in Pella, Macedonia, in GREECE. Even google said it
im from croatia.from region of northen dalmatia and i live in a city that used to belong to ancient greece. Looks like greece has done lot of things in adriatic sea
and im neutral with greece
I am Greek and like Croatia
wtf man if you dont know that macedonia is greek then dont speak
you are Macedonian boy?
@Jd Pv Nice joke
@Jd Pv Josip Broz Tito Yugoslav Croatian Jewish communist .. creator of the false state of the former Yugoslav republic of Bulgarodonia
@Jd Pv Vardarska banovina=FYROBulgarodonia
@Jd Pv Josip Broz Tito Yugoslav Croatian Jewish communist .. creator of the false state of the former Yugoslav republic of Bulgarodonia
LOVE TO OUR GREEK NEIGHBOURS from BULGARIAN
STAY STRONG and WELL good things are coming :) (keep Christ in your heart)
Mecedonia is not country, is ancient area of greek, bulgarian and fyrom land. You mean FYROM country when you say macedonia here. Also the islands megisti, kastelorizo, ro and stoggili are greek, but they are not appear on your map. Thanks.
I watched this video and imediately disliked it.
The video calls FYROM, a country inhabited mostly from Slavs and Albanians, "Macedonia" and that in the ancient times, "Macedonia" ruled Greece. The video indicates also that the Byzantine Empire ruled Greece.
Both Empires were Greek!
Macedonian is like saying Athenian or Spartan etc. Greeks from different regions.
Byzantine Empire was the 1000+ years lasting Greek Empire from 330 A.D -1453 A.D
Get your facts right, read BASIC history and then make a video!!!
its mean to dislike a video for such a simple reason
@@therealpradowaits oh ho it's not simple at all, my friend. It's misleading inaccuracy. It deserves the dislike
@@cyrclack5616 ok
downvoted for the use of the name Macedonia for FYROM.
When King Otto combined all the Albanians, Vlach's, Slavs, Gypsies, Turks , he gave you a new identity in 1832! You first ruler was not even a Greek like your subsequent Albanian rulers.
What is a modern Greek because you go to a Western country you'd get confused for a Turk or a Leb so do not start throwing identities at Macedonians when yours is questionable. See how easy it is today to get into Greece by boat? What's not to say this happened hundreds and thousands of years. Maybe check your DNA.
The Ottomons had the Parthenon as your harem for 400 years making future Greek babies and the Greeks in and around Pella like Mitch below came during the population exchange in the early 1900's from Turkey. That Pontion now thinks he's related to Alexander the Great and telling the Macedonians living on that land for thousands of years that they're not Macedonian.
Honestly you Greeks, can you get any more pathetic?
EVERYTHING I SAY IS FACT CHECK FOR YOURSELF BELOW IS A VIDEO MADE BY GREEKS IN GREECE SPEAKING GREEK!!!!!
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Ancient macedonians were Greeks and greece country now is a continuance of Byzantine Empire, just with a different name.
The correct name isnot "Macedonia" but FYROM ,is the official name !
Sotiris Nik it has macadonia in fyrom
DON'T EVER SAY AGAIN SKOPJA MACEDONIA!
Macedonia is a greek region!
idk about that one
it's all writed in history men even theteachers claim macedonia as a region in greece :)
Well the most of Anatolia (+ Obviously Thrace) was Greek too, gonna claim that too? :d
Anatolia was mostly a greek region that even took its name from the greek ανατολή that means "east" where the sun is rising. Until this day it is still a region and not a country. If turkey decide to call all turkey Anatolia then yes their is a problem to that. And don't get me wrong we don't claim the land. The land can change hands a lot of times but everybody have to respect history as it is.
M K wtf is your problem? The Byzantines (greek continuity of the roman empire) ruled that land for what? Hundreds of years? Before that? The roman Empire, there were greeks there. Before? Already greeks until conquered by persia. Seriously ffs learn history you ignorant swine they stopped being greek some hundreds years ago with the greek exile from Anatolia.. ffs
THESE ARE NOT MACEDONIANS! !!!! THIS IS GREEK PROPERTY !!!!!!
GREECE DOES NOT BORDER WITH MACEDONIA , MACEDONIA IS GREECE
Saying that Macedonia rules over Greece is like saying New England rules over the USA... Don't divide and conquer and get your facts straight
Both Macedonia and Byzantine empire ( for the majority of its life span) were Greeks, using the word "ruled Greece" is misleading as these empires represented ancient and medieval Greece.
Why is everybody going INSANE about Macedonia!?
Macedonia is a region of Hellas,is the home of Alexander,is the land of Macedonian fighters(grand-grandfather),is where my family is from,is where Macedonians live.....the other that some sillies and the slav of FYROM call @#$%^ is mislead and very very wrong of course
Matthew Taur fyrom says that alex da gr8 was theirs
They say bullshit
We defend our history
s1mple
cause greece banished all the macedonians from northern greece and now they have to do everything at their power to remove the macedonian identity and history so we wouldn't one day try to bring back the lost territories at least the properties of the macedonians that were forcefully removed from that region
Dislake only because of Macedonia name.
***** shut up neutral
*****
"Wow getting butthurt over a name is a new kind of stupid." thats a very good answer from a mature man.
***** but my comment is also true ;D
dude Macedonia is Greek... Alexander is greek name our descendants didnt fight to steal our history
Getting butthurt over other people expressing their opinion about a local conflict in Balkans, is probably your kind of stupidity. I saw at least 50 commetns of you in the video. You should get a life really fast man..
Macedonia is GREEK :)
Lol Byzantine is Greek and simply couldn't rule Greece when it was Greek hahahaha. Same case with ancient Macedonia who'd speak Greek and worship Greek gods as well as being able to participate in Olympics which were only for Greek people. It's common sense....
You would think that Greeks would know that most ancient Greeks didn’t consider Macedonian’s to be one of them, and they needed a BS excuse to join the olympics. We would probably call them Greek today, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t viewed as scary foreigners then.
excuse you? Alexander the Great himself participated in the Olympics, stop spreading propaganda
@@lilyk3784 Yes, and his ancestor had come up with some BS bloodline in order to get in.
@@mrniceguy7168its not made up its the truth. The Macedonian royal bloodline was Greek, open a book
The country on the north is called North Macedonia.
these videos should be a little longer to give slightly more detailed information. I think maximum 6 or 7 minute videos would work well
Pure propaganda by an American.
Byzantines controled Greece but byzantines were greeks, then greeks controled Byzantine Empire because byzantines were greeks. The greek element took over the Eastern Roman Empire and then becoming the Byzantine Empire.
MACEDONIA WAS AN ANCIENT GREEK REGION OF NORTHERN GREECE, JUST LIKE MANY OTHER GREEK EMPIRES STARTED FROM CONSTANTINOPLE( example ) OR IDK THE MACEDONIAN EMPIRE STARTED IN MACEDONIA
Byzantine empire didnt occupy Greece. It was the eastern part of the roman empire which became independent after the split of the roman empire and in which the greek language and culture was prevalent. Even its name was greek. It was named after the ancient greek city state of Byzantium which was founded in the area of the city that is called Instanbul today. It was the political, economical and social evolution of the hellenistic empire of Alexander the great. Hellen means Greek. Its citizens were greeks. It wasn't occupied by roman army.
It was a occupy, by Romans which means Italian, 'Byzantium' name is made-up by historian for separate typical roman empire, there was a lot of nations under the east roman empire and greeks one of that nation, also Arabs, Armenians, others, dynasty of eastern Rome is Italian, they did adopt greek language because they did build their capital inside of the greek cities and people of the Constantinople was greek that's the way they are speaking greek. Italians ruled them for nearly 900 years, that's the story.
@@agnusdei8442 nope... Eastern Roman Empire had nothing to do with Western Roman Empire. It was Greek-speaking, orthodox and not latin speaking catholic. Actually, both empires were at odds, fighting with each other. And of course there wasn't a single Italian king in Greece or in Eastern Roman Empire as Italy was created much later as a state. But of course if we are talking about legacies, I do not see a conection between modern Italy and the Greek-speaking orthodox Eastern Roman Empire, despite the fact that has the name "roman" (as it was a name that depicted the nationality not the ethnicity - that's why even in modern times Romania is not considered Italian) . So Eastern Roman Empire was Greek-speaking orthodox same as the people of nowadays Greece and Western Roman Empire was latin-speaking catholics pretty close to modern Italy. Also Holy Roman Empire was German speaking and therefore correpsonds propably to today's Germany.
borders Macedonia?
Yea, the country
It s F.Y.R.O.M not Macedonia.Macedonia is the NorthEast and NorthWest part of Greece.What you presenting here is FALSE and you are not a trustfull source of information.You have to change your references or delete the video.
It's easier to say Macedonia instead of Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
MACEDONIA was and will be GREECE
Turkey did not exist in ancient times. The turkik peoples arrived in anatolya closer to modern times
Some maps as well that prove that this is a pseudo state renamed in 1944 by Tito the distator of Yugoslavia to annex the real Macedonia located in northen Greece in order to gain access to the Aegean sea by siegeing the port of Thessaloniki:
history-of-macedonia.com/2013/10/10/vardarska-banovina-xartes-diplomata/
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/K%C3%B6nigreich_Jugoslawien.jpg
you do realise that a country can't share its ''core'' with a another state ( turkey also has an Aegean coastline)
+Last First But the most important part of Turkey ain't there.
Ban Ki-moon What about Istanbul and İzmir?
Macedonia is region in Greece, but so called F.Y.R.O.M. is not a country. The east part of the land is Bulgarian and the people indeed speak Bulgarian with a bit of accent.
Macedonian language is only part of Bulgaria yes?
Greece ranks 20 out of 46 countries by human development index. And that being in an 8 year economic crysis.
The Macedonians were a Greek Kingdom. You basically said that the geography of greece allowed one part of greece to take over another part of greece....
MY GOD , WHO TEACHES THESE BULLSHETA TO PEOPLE OR SHALL WE SAY WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT?....HMMMM...
If Macedonia is "FYROM", then greece is "Former Turkish Republic of Western Thrace"...
its fyrom not macedonia...macedonia is greek...Alexander the great was greek
Where my money Greece >:
They party with your money
ask them from the world banks
lol Kostas . you Greeks are funny people at least
made me laugh
Macedonians and Byzantins were greek
Lol, u called it `Macedonia`. That's gonna butthurt some people :p
Pedro Rodriguez Some? 98% of the comment section is butthurt greeks
Jordy De Raedt with facts
Macedonia is a greek territory,the state above this greek region is called North Macedonia for no apparent reason (they are not greeks ,they dont speak greek and they have nothing to do with the ancients greeks nor Alexander the Great)by the current agreement!you should check twice when you make this video's
Greek people are the best
MACEDONIA IS GREECE .... MACEDONIA IS IN GREECE
everybody is bitching about Greece and Macedonia and Im here wondering how Greece has the longest coast lines?
correct me if im wrong but isnt coast line basically the side of the country facing water like how USA has 2 coastlines and then Russia has the big long one that stretches across the world
DJ Magik Mike dude search "countries with the longest coastlines " and you will see greece has a rather big coastline for its size as a country
It's quite obvious. It's small to medium sized country, yes.. but look at the way the landmass curves, look between the Peloponnese and Central Greece with the inland sea for example, so much coastline.
When King Otto combined all the Albanians, Vlach's, Slavs, Gypsies, Turks , he gave you a new identity in 1832! You first ruler was not even a Greek like your subsequent Albanian rulers.
What is a modern Greek because you go to a Western country you'd get confused for a Turk or a Leb so do not start throwing identities at Macedonians when yours is questionable. See how easy it is today to get into Greece by boat? What's not to say this happened hundreds and thousands of years. Maybe check your DNA.
The Ottomons had the Parthenon as your harem for 400 years making future Greek babies and the Greeks in and around Pella like Mitch below came during the population exchange in the early 1900's from Turkey. That Pontion now thinks he's related to Alexander the Great and telling the Macedonians living on that land for thousands of years that they're not Macedonian.
Honestly you Greeks, can you get any more pathetic?
EVERYTHING I SAY IS FACT CHECK FOR YOURSELF BELOW IS A VIDEO MADE BY GREEKS IN GREECE SPEAKING GREEK!!!!!
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@@alexandartsarmakedonski7962 Sorry man but greeks are more ancient than most of Europeans.
Macedonia is a region of Greece
Not MACEDONIA
FYROM
Macedonia is Greek
Extremely poorly researched video...
1) Calling FYROM Macedonia
2) insinuating the Byzantine Empire and the Macedonia Empire were foreign occupators, when in fact they were Greek
3) Failing to even mention the geographic issue of defending the isles bordering Turkey with whom Greece has difficult relationship with.
we made the first computer we learned first that the earth is round we named the planets and we propagaded the civilization in europe
u watch too much propaganda my friend, tell me why u think macedonia isnt greek and let me answer u, lets have a litlle debait
@OWL SQUAD John Atanasoff BULGARIAN made the first computer
Macedonians were and still are Greeks. Get your data right! Also the country in the north is named FYROM not Macedonia
1997 born Macedonian girls are Macedonian not fyrom.
ITS A FALSE HISTORICAL FOOTAGE!
GREECE AND MACEDONIA ARE BOTH GREEK STATES AND UNITED SINCE THE 5TH CENTURY BC. THE BYZANTINE EPMIRE WAS THE GREEKO/ROMAN EMPIRE TILL IT SEPARATED IN TO WEST & EAST CHURCH BUT THE ORTHODOX BYZANTIUM WAS ALWAYS THE CENTRE OF THE WORLD AND ITS ADMINISTRATION, ITS SCHOLARS ITS HERETICS AND CULTURE WAS WAS 100% HELLENISTIC AS PER ST. CONSTANTINE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE. TILL ITS FALL IN 1453 BY THE OTTOMAN OSMAN-TURKS. THE BYZANTIUM WAS THE GATEWAY TO CHRISTIANITY AND CIVILISATION, WITH NUMEROUS UNIVERSITIES IN ITS ENVIED CITY OF CONSTANTINOPLE. THE PROTO-NEW TESTAMENT IS ALSO WRITEN IN GREEK AND CREATED BY GREEK ECCLESIASTIC SCHOLARS, SINCE THE ONLY COMPLETED LANGUAGE WAS AND STILL IS THE GREEK LANGUAGE!!!
It’s macaroni of Slavic people we greeks have Macedonia
Greece doesn't border Macedonia. Macedonia is in Greece.
wtf are you saing dude..Macedonia is the north part of Greece..Not the fake nation of vardarska
Meanwhile, over here in the U.S., we're having a good ol' time self-destructing.
So, Greece's future depends on overcoming the crisis! Whoaa that's "tomorrow's intelligence"!! I'll play smart at school tomorrow! ;)
Jennifer Cruz like 7yr olds know this
Macedonia is Greece 🇬🇷
Macedonian Empire did not rule over Greece! Macedonian Empire and Alexander the Great were GREEK!
Alexander and hefaiston was Macedonian mans.
Greece is only part of sparta. at.ellada.
Macedonia is part of filip 2.
gocedelcev.janesandanski.
Pleasantly accurate presentation
STRATFORvideo is A leading deceptive platform confirmed!
False info...
Why no mention on the renugees?
Because at stratfor "you learn tomorrow's intelligence. Not yesterday's news" ;)
why is Kosovo's map changed? Is this a forecast of a land swap in any near future?
It's not called Macedonia... it's called skopia.And the past years skooia Albania Bulgaria and the other countries over there were greek
Why did you quit doing this series? I love them.
MathCubes look at the comments
If Byzantines weren't Greek, then I don't know what is...
not Macedonia
How is possible to make videos like these and ingore basic facts like Macedonias identity? Saying that Macedonians ruled Greece like Turks did , is like saying Romans ruled Italy.
You Malakas ,makedonia is Greek!!
Dislike for putting Fyrom as Macedonia.
you forgot Rome and Alexandria
The Pindus Mountains: proudly barring Greek national travel for the past couple thousand years.
Gaecia = Geographic Expression denoting an area in south-west Balkan. It is not the same area as you describe it. Look at all the old maps. There is NO GRAECIA in Anatolia or South Thracia or Pontus or other areas were there were Hellenes. So Greek is like British and Hellene is a cultural identity that arrived in Graecia after the 7th century BC. The REAL OLD GRAECIA, as shown in the OLD MAPS (before 18th century) includes Albania, as was before 18th century, not the Albania today which is bigger, It also includes Dardania, Emathia (Macedonia) Epirus, and goes all the way down to Morea (Peloponnese.) These lands were initially populated only by Illyrian/Pelasgians, and later by middle eastern settles like Hellenes and others. After the Barbarian invasions, Slavs also settled into Graecia. Today there are many different Greeks, i.e. Illyrians (Albanians, Dardanians, Epirians, Emathians, Moreans) Slavs, Hellenes, Turks, and God knows what. Just like today there are many different British people, where as before there were only the Celts.
when greece was created 1830 macedonia was never part of greece . macedonia was divided 1913 bucharest accord .macedonians divided , families divided .
but Makedonias history is way longer than the fake (macedonia was divided)stories about your fake territory-fake race-fake language! the real Makedonia it was existing from ancient times(as an hellenic kingdom)and not like in your books in 1913!and has nothing to do with slavs or the peonia region(in the time of Alexandros your regions name was peonia!!!)and because Greece was ,,created,, in 1830 as a ,,modern,, Staat this doesnt means that greeks have before not existed as an ethnos(ethnic!)we are the opposite from fyro-ians...we greeks or hellenes were allways an ethnic-group and become after a staat-you never was an ethnic(it doesnt exist an macedonian ethnic!!!)and you become a staat without a stabile name,by force because the world-elit wanted it so... the makedonians really were slaughtered by the balkan-wars...but what you forgot to mention(or your ,,fyro-historians,, changed, is that the were greek-makedons wich were killed by bulgarians!and today your ,,academics,, speak about macedonian-genocide....it never was an macedonian-genocide!!! if you can call it so than it was an greek genocide!!because the victims were greeks!!! but we are used that your fake country allways turns the stories around!!! so next time when fyro- claim something,all the world must know that the opposite is true!!!
Greece!!!!
Macedonia and the byzantine empire were Greeks
Greece joined the EU in 1981!!!
Why everyone mistakes this?
[...and MACEDONIA is a REGION, in Greece] STRABO Quote !
central (ditiki) Macedonia.
Macedonia is Greek!
Macedonians and byzantines are greeks
Sweden next!
İSTİKAMET KIZIL ELMA.
Oh yes i forgot to mention that ONLY GREECE makes true empires from zero with the sword and the pen depended on only on our own few manpower and living the defeated their dignity, all the rest of them (Rome and the Ottomans)found the barbarians all civilised and ready with streets and infrastructure already made, do to our own mistakes.
very good Video good job, BUT Macedonia is not Macedonia its Skopje - Slav wich kind is transform to Northern Macedonia but this is not accepted by the people of Greece it was a decision made by the rightCentr Political situation and problem Greece have now
Not calling it FYROM is gonna trigger some comment wars. lol
too late, lol like 90% is about it. And I am not even kidding.......
Edo Fluit only 90%?? More like 105%
(not to be taken literally, just saying for you butthurt greeks that will call me retarded for saying "105%")
my first country is Bulgaria. close to that area ofTriggerings and stupid nationalism
WHY YOU FORGOT GERMANY?GERMANY ALSO ATTACKED GREECE.
+Aleksandar Petrovski What??! Greece was conquered by Germany. It didn't join them by will. Greeks fought the Nazis. Fucking idiot!
Aleksandar Petrovski
Where the fuck did you learn history??? Seriously, you are the biggest idiot I've ever seen! Greece didn't attack anyone during the war. Italy asked Greece to surrender and accept being conquered, but Greece said "OXI!" (which means "no"). Italy then tried to invade Greece through Albania, but the Greeks fought them and won. Sadly, Nazi Germany came later and defeated Greece. Still, in Greece we had EAM (National Liberation Front) that fought the Nazis. Greece has many deaths to to the Nazi invaders, but it played a big role in weakening them. It's resistance was heroic. Don't shit on the memory of these people that were killed and tortured as they fought the Nazis.
Also, every country has a stupid neo-nazi party. Golden Down receives 7%, which isn't little, but still what about the other 93%. Are they pure Nazis as well? You seem to be a racist that is one of the main aspects of the Nazis. Most Greeks hate the Golden Dawn.
Aleksandar Petrovski
Where the fuck did you learn history??? Seriously, you are the biggest idiot I've ever seen! Greece didn't attack anyone during the war. Italy asked Greece to surrender and accept being conquered, but Greece said "OXI!" (which means "no"). Italy then tried to invade Greece through Albania, but the Greeks fought them and won. Sadly, Nazi Germany came later and defeated Greece. Still, in Greece we had EAM (National Liberation Front) that fought the Nazis. Greece has many deaths to to the Nazi invaders, but it played a big role in weakening them. It's resistance was heroic. Don't shit on the memory of these people that were killed and tortured as they fought the Nazis.
Also, every country has a stupid neo-nazi party. Golden Down receives 7%, which isn't little, but still what about the other 93%. Are they pure Nazis as well? You seem to be a racist that is one of the main aspects of the Nazis. Most Greeks hate the Golden Dawn.
🇲🇰 Alexander was Macedonian not Greek say whatever u want I have plenty of arguments
It's very naive to assume that the current poor economic situation of Greece is due to the lack of arable land. This is the 21st century, not the low middle ages.
If Macedonia is greek greece should change its name.
Macedonia = Greece.
Skopia = Bulgaria.
exactly my friend