I feel so lucky to have found your channel! It seems not only our views on "gender and sex" as concepts but the way we identify and choose to express ourselves seem aligned. There are differences, of course, but I recently started identifying and genderfluid to better explore the fact that I, a biological female, identify as a biological female, but choose to express my gender fluidly(masc fem and andro.) Also I think pronouns are almost a completely different discussion. Using she/they pronouns and introducing myself as such to make a statement. If pronouns are useless in other regards why not use them beneficially to work towards breaking the gender rules? Thanks for your thoughts, I find them very empowering.
One thing I’ve been saying to my close friends is that it’d be fun to become dexterous enough with our language that they could refer to me with all the pronouns in a single sentence. ☺️
Well said 🧐 We are an autistic human it’s OSDD1b. We are gender-fluid. We struggle to have safe interactions with humans nowadays. Thank you for making this content and speaking up for people like us, who have been driven into the shadows.
Fascinating thoughts, Agender here, I go by She/They, I'd rather be called "they" but folks will see a she most of the time (even tho I dress more masc my voice is fem) and I can't be bothered explaining and correcting people because that makes them feel guilty and I feel mean for that, but there's no way around the fact that "she" gives me dysphoria and has done ever since I was a tiny child who didn't even know what dysphoria meant, I just live with it I guess. I do get gendered as he sometimes and I like that. But you are totally right, if "she" was just a word and didn't come with all the thick social stereotypes that just make me feel yucky inside there would be no problem with it, it's almost as if non-binary dysphoria only exists because of the way society treats words, it is a very interesting POV, thank you :)
I totally agree with you and I love how you said the non-binary dysphoria only exist because of society. I don’t think it’s an us problem, I think it’s a society problem. Sometimes I get frustrated that we’re trying to change ourselves, but I know it’s one step at a time.
@@LorriSulpizio Thank you :) and I couldn't agree more, it isn't an "us problem" because if we can't be free to live in society and look/dress/be ourselves and not get made uncomfortable by treatment and stereotypes just because of the way that we are born, then there is something wrong with the world - nothing wrong with us :)
Oh, it's so nice to see someone with the same mentality on the language of gender and ridiculous notions of restrictive gender norms. I wish I could avoid giving my gender at all because it colours other people's view of me and it's irritating. I'm me, please judge me by my own actions and not some pre-conceived notions. I have the same perspective as you and have been wondering about what pronouns I should give, because I don't mind any of them as long as it's not used as an excuse to judge me for my behaviour. Like, my partner has a tendency to mix up pronouns all the time, for everyone, including himself, so I've been called everything and it's cute- it doesn't bother me at all. But it's annoying when people use it for less savoury purposes. Just because it's just more neutral, I'm leaning towards saying "they/them but feel free to call me whatever is easier for you", and I'm glad to have found your video while searching for perspectives to aid my decision, it's nice to see I'm not alone, and thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings! As well as, all the effort that went into carefully wording your script for this video to communicate your message clearly and without causing hurt.
The definition of pronouns here and why they're important is wrong from the get go. Pronouns replace nouns in a sentence to avoid repetition and enhance clarity, accuracy and understanding. The claim that they're a huge part of who we are is an ideological claim, not a factual one.
You’re absolutely right. And many of our words are ideological. For some people their name is a huge part of who they are, because that name reflects family or history or tradition of some sort. For others it has little significance. There are many examples of that. So one could say that for some people their name being a part of who they are is a fact, because it is their fact. So in this case I’m not sure Trying to delineate fact and ideology in such a divisive way is relevant. But I hear what you’re trying to say.
@@LorriSulpizio It's a fact that we all have a name, but names are arbitrary, not ideological. It doesn't effect anyone else if you want to be called John or Joanna. Calling somebody 'cis', 'trans', 'binary' or 'nonbinary' and claiming that pronouns reflect our 'gender identity' is an ideological claim that *does* effect the lives and rights of other people. In this case you're making a claim about the very nature of all human beings, in terms of regressive, sexist stereotypes. That's why it's important to seperate fact from ideology. It's a fact that I'm a woman because I'm a female human being. It's not a fact that I'm a woman because I 'identify' with the oppressive sex stereotypes, roles and expectations that are imposed onto girls and women. I'm neither 'binary' or 'cis'. That's ideology, not fact. Sexist ideology to be precise.
People could just be mistaking you for a male because of your presentation. It doesn’t actually make you one in any sense. And at 8:55, you don’t identify as “she”, but “I”, even in that sentence.
That's my point... we have an immediate 'picture in the mind' that makes us assign 'he' or 'she' to someone. So, it's less about me and more about the universal concept of how we identify people as he or she. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I feel so lucky to have found your channel! It seems not only our views on "gender and sex" as concepts but the way we identify and choose to express ourselves seem aligned. There are differences, of course, but I recently started identifying and genderfluid to better explore the fact that I, a biological female, identify as a biological female, but choose to express my gender fluidly(masc fem and andro.) Also I think pronouns are almost a completely different discussion. Using she/they pronouns and introducing myself as such to make a statement. If pronouns are useless in other regards why not use them beneficially to work towards breaking the gender rules?
Thanks for your thoughts, I find them very empowering.
Yes, Danny! Love your idea of breaking the gender rules. Let's keep working towards that.
One thing I’ve been saying to my close friends is that it’d be fun to become dexterous enough with our language that they could refer to me with all the pronouns in a single sentence. ☺️
Well said 🧐 We are an autistic human it’s OSDD1b. We are gender-fluid. We struggle to have safe interactions with humans nowadays. Thank you for making this content and speaking up for people like us, who have been driven into the shadows.
Fascinating thoughts, Agender here, I go by She/They, I'd rather be called "they" but folks will see a she most of the time (even tho I dress more masc my voice is fem) and I can't be bothered explaining and correcting people because that makes them feel guilty and I feel mean for that, but there's no way around the fact that "she" gives me dysphoria and has done ever since I was a tiny child who didn't even know what dysphoria meant, I just live with it I guess. I do get gendered as he sometimes and I like that. But you are totally right, if "she" was just a word and didn't come with all the thick social stereotypes that just make me feel yucky inside there would be no problem with it, it's almost as if non-binary dysphoria only exists because of the way society treats words, it is a very interesting POV, thank you :)
I totally agree with you and I love how you said the non-binary dysphoria only exist because of society. I don’t think it’s an us problem, I think it’s a society problem. Sometimes I get frustrated that we’re trying to change ourselves, but I know it’s one step at a time.
@@LorriSulpizio Thank you :) and I couldn't agree more, it isn't an "us problem" because if we can't be free to live in society and look/dress/be ourselves and not get made uncomfortable by treatment and stereotypes just because of the way that we are born, then there is something wrong with the world - nothing wrong with us :)
Oh, it's so nice to see someone with the same mentality on the language of gender and ridiculous notions of restrictive gender norms. I wish I could avoid giving my gender at all because it colours other people's view of me and it's irritating. I'm me, please judge me by my own actions and not some pre-conceived notions.
I have the same perspective as you and have been wondering about what pronouns I should give, because I don't mind any of them as long as it's not used as an excuse to judge me for my behaviour. Like, my partner has a tendency to mix up pronouns all the time, for everyone, including himself, so I've been called everything and it's cute- it doesn't bother me at all. But it's annoying when people use it for less savoury purposes.
Just because it's just more neutral, I'm leaning towards saying "they/them but feel free to call me whatever is easier for you", and I'm glad to have found your video while searching for perspectives to aid my decision, it's nice to see I'm not alone, and thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings! As well as, all the effort that went into carefully wording your script for this video to communicate your message clearly and without causing hurt.
I agree we would all be better off dumping pronouns altogether, but if I had to choose one it would be human.
The definition of pronouns here and why they're important is wrong from the get go. Pronouns replace nouns in a sentence to avoid repetition and enhance clarity, accuracy and understanding. The claim that they're a huge part of who we are is an ideological claim, not a factual one.
You’re absolutely right. And many of our words are ideological. For some people their name is a huge part of who they are, because that name reflects family or history or tradition of some sort. For others it has little significance. There are many examples of that. So one could say that for some people their name being a part of who they are is a fact, because it is their fact. So in this case I’m not sure Trying to delineate fact and ideology in such a divisive way is relevant. But I hear what you’re trying to say.
@@LorriSulpizio It's a fact that we all have a name, but names are arbitrary, not ideological. It doesn't effect anyone else if you want to be called John or Joanna. Calling somebody 'cis', 'trans', 'binary' or 'nonbinary' and claiming that pronouns reflect our 'gender identity' is an ideological claim that *does* effect the lives and rights of other people. In this case you're making a claim about the very nature of all human beings, in terms of regressive, sexist stereotypes. That's why it's important to seperate fact from ideology. It's a fact that I'm a woman because I'm a female human being. It's not a fact that I'm a woman because I 'identify' with the oppressive sex stereotypes, roles and expectations that are imposed onto girls and women. I'm neither 'binary' or 'cis'. That's ideology, not fact. Sexist ideology to be precise.
People could just be mistaking you for a male because of your presentation. It doesn’t actually make you one in any sense.
And at 8:55, you don’t identify as “she”, but “I”, even in that sentence.
That's my point... we have an immediate 'picture in the mind' that makes us assign 'he' or 'she' to someone. So, it's less about me and more about the universal concept of how we identify people as he or she. Thanks for watching and commenting.