I feel like if you have the energy, materials, and ability needed to pull off moving multiple stars, you would have had to have found a more convenient method of interstellar travel. The only reasons I can think to move your entire house (star system) instead of just moving to a different home would be A. You're in an isolated part of the galaxy B. You're trying to save your system from sort of catastrophic event, like a nearby supernova Still seems like it'd be more effort than it's worth
Good point. But maybe convenient interstellar travel just isn't possible at all? I assume advanced species are out there and if they had fast interstellar travel we might have been well visited long before now.
What an imaginative and thought-provoking hypothesis! And _stellivore_ is such a cool word, too. For anyone interested in stellar engines, Kurzgesagt have a video on stellar engines, focussing specifically on the Shkadov and Caplan thrusters; it's giddily enjoyable viewing. 😀
I think the Kardashev Type civ scale is a little flawed, maybe civs that start around red dwarf stars do their planets power first but for us the sun is just so much better. Plus I think any civ that taps their planet to hard kills itself, so best to skip the civ 1 stuff and just go straight to solar.
@@Sutairn Yeah, if humans were really motivated in doing so, we could have made a dyson swarm by 2090 or smth, by now we'd already be like 20% done if we take it since 20 years since mankind put someone on the moon, our planet to us is practically heaven, tons of resources, nearly all technological used resources in abundance it'd make sense for us to skip levels whereas another species may need to prep their foundation better.
@@Aureonw So I do agree with you on kinda this but the issue with old tech is not collecting it but how do we send it back to us without heating up the atmosphere a ton. Basically we need a moon base to send this to.
Nice one to go with pulsars used for mapping and navigation and a type to go with pulsars with glitches from a mega structure for power and communication arrays. I guess the question would be how to tell natural vs artificial.
At first I was confused by your argument at 9:00. (I would like to point out - I also don't think it's aliens. Globular clusters have lots of "close" stars, and that's going to increase the chance of this type of thing happening naturally.) "It would be kind of difficult to explain why we actually see so many of them inside Omega Centauri. Here a lot of stars are actually really close to each other and moving from one star to another shouldn't really be that difficult especially for a type two civilization" At first I thought "Of course you would? if you're moving a star, and the way you move it is efficient, and you have an industrialized civilization set up, you're going to copy that method across all applicable places." After thinking about it, I think I get what you were saying. You were saying that it's relatively easy to move individuals and ships between such close stars, especially for K2 civilizations. Yes, that'd be true, but the difference is that making a thruster like this is for moving the entire star... no, the solar system, whatever dyson swarm you made, and anything else you have set up with you to another location. The point is, you're moving the star itself, because it holds all the infrastructure and runs all your systems for your star empire. Sure, you could move bits and pieces at a time, perhaps large percentages even, by using a dyson swarm laser propulsion array... but at that point what your doing is disassembling all the hard work you did to set up your K2 civilization, and leaving the current star(s) that are still capable of fueling it just for slightly greener pastures. Why not just continue building up the swarm/ matryoshka brain/ etc and eventually reach a new star in a few hundred/thousand years that will ADD to your K2 civilization, not just replace it.
When you think that their is Limit to Growth and no Infinite Growth, there's always a scientist to add a "well, actually". It just that the step between where we are and that is way to big to imagine. It would however make a fabulous Great Filter. But now i'm starting to wonder if there is a point where your solar system can get "to big" for your main star to capture through gravity. Wait, beyond the Type 2 might not even be a Type 3 according to the Kardashev Scale but an artificial mini galaxy ? You move it around until it's big enough to completely eat a natural galaxy, then you try to replicate that to eat nearby galaxy until the natural expansion of the universe makes it impossible for any other galaxy to be around, creating a mini local universe after hundreds of billions of years ? This would make a great sf plot, until some scientist publish a paper stating that it is indeed possible (or not).
Too funny! First, all my favorite content creators upload videos on black holes. Now a different group picks things with a spider in the storyline... 🤔 I'll take may wins with my nightmares and like it I guess!! 😆
I know. I know! There is a rock concert scheduled in that cluster, and all those civilizations are going to see it. Phfish or the Hateful Dead, probably! The trend on this planet has been to develop more efficient energy sources, that use less energy. Why would a type II civilization need such massive amounts? Why would they waste the amounts that this form of travel would require, unless their own corner of the universe was going to suffer a catastrophe so dire they needed to bolt immediately! Thank you, Anton!
Imo the best part of Eddies is that crushing anxiety and paranoia. It really lets me focus on thing i normally ignore. Like calling my father, cleaning my room, going to the dentist, etc.
I love your videos. But I have to admit, these theories or studies are just very smart people writing science fiction. We haven’t even started to study how to smelt metals into usable materials in zero gravity yet.
Given that it is possible for an advanced civilisation to construct this type of transport system, I have one question :- How and where do they obtain the vast amount of materials necessary to construct it?
The Milky Way has trillions of planets waiting for someone to do something useful with them. We will one day grind-up some of Jupiter's & Saturn's moons to build something.
@@douglaswilkinson5700Those are mostly ice, and pretty small. It’d make way more sense to grind up mercury and Venus - not like anyone was going to be living on those anyways.
@@oberonpanopticon OK! Let's consider a DS inside the orbit of Mercury. A shell say, 4 million km in radius and only 1 km thick. That would equate to a total shell volume of 2.01E14 km^3. ASSUMING :- Constructing 10% of total shell volume. : 2.01E14 / 10 = 2.01E13 km^3. Mass of structure 10% of that volume. : 2.01E13 / 10 = 2.01E12 km^3. Total weight of steel (7.5E9 Tonnes/km^3). : 7.50E9 * 2.01E12 = 1.51E23 Tonnes. AVAILABLE MATERIALS. Total mass of Solar System minus the Sun. : 2.7E24 Tonnes. Available iron content say 3%. : (2.7E24 * 3) /100 = 8.10E22 Tonnes. CONCLUSION. The amount of available iron in the Solar System amounts to just over half that required to construct a structure capable of collecting only 10% of solar output. This is a very rough approximation of of the steel required to build the supporting structure. It does not include materials for the generation and transmission of power. Neither does it account for protection against the loss of strength in steel when reaching temperatures exceeding 550deg C.
@@oberonpanopticon You are correct. They are dead rocks. The last time I said that our solar system is our's and we can do whatever we want with it a large number people reacted negatively: "We must protect every planet; It's arrogant to assumed we own planets in out solar system; what if aliens see us doing this and wipe us out; etc.
Exploring the "It's Aliens"-explanation (IA) is always worth it. Like AI, IA gives you much more attention. And who wouldn't want to be the first one to actually find some aliens?
@@stevenmoore3480 it is not about being special, if it's something you can't understand you should simply not speak about. I was not diagnosed because I wanted to be special, I was diagnosed because I had difficylties and I don't see how you can be proud of your difficulties by representing yourself by it. I have qualities like I have difficulties, so do you and at this point we are human at the end. And if you interpret my commentary as a act of proud, note that I just wanted to make a joke and nothing more. It was not destined to you but more for the people that understand it.
I wonder if at the rate of consumption of the one star, will there be enough left if the system "arrives" at the "target star" and if so, then would that then make the system a three-star system? If a civilization is clever enough to be a Type II Civilization, I'm sure they can more easily deal with their own "3-body" problems. Perhaps they are simply moving a way from a more destructive force with no real destination? Also, it could be that they simply mean to pass through or by systems to "seed" potentially habitable planets (whatever that means for that particular life-form)? I could see how a "star-killer" base might be an inspiration for this kind of hypothesis, though. Fun to imagine about it!
Larry Niven and Gregory Benford wrote "A Bowl of Heaven" and its second half "Shipstar" with this theme. They consider two types of extreme megastructures and some of their implications. One such is wrangling black holes for use in interstellar communications. {^_^}
When using the power of the star, you need to know how to release the energy or manipulate the energy with your bio magnetic field. It's no different from how dragon ball z character use their power
I wanna know if we’d be able to detect the signs of space battles. What conditions would have to be true for a spaceship exploding to be noticeable? Could a large enough fleets engines be detected?
If there are advanced civilizations, the nature of light should allow us to see this. Im hopeful we can get some confirmation along evidence of others out there.
I have to disagree this video sparked the interest of alien heads but true logic not even the best super advance future robots can live around a pulsar much less any life.
No, because if you have the ability to move stars themselves, it means you already had the technology to get to said star in the first place , meaning you have a form of travel to get from one star to the other, meaning there’s no reason to move the star itself in the first place , and if your moving them all to one location you’d be advanced enough to relies that’s not a good idea , see Magellanic clouds , with so many stars in one location not only do you have to deal with the fact you’d need to travel further and further to bring them back , but your also creating a vast gravity field in one location that you’d eventually have to deal with .
The beings within the star can also absorb the entire star into their bodies and can use the energy to pull against other celestial objects to bring themselves closer to other star systems using relativity. Trust me when I say it's been done before
Sounds interesting... The issue is for something surviving that kind of environment. I don't think even artificial life (electronics, basically) would survive.
Depends on if you thinking a trinary as a three body problem or just a 2 body system. All three body problem system decay in about 1 to 10 million years so that is not enough time for a pulsar to develop in the system. if you think about a 3 star system that is a 2 body system, most of these situation end with the smaller third star being eaten by one of the other larger stars and then it take billions of years for the orbit of those two to decay enough for them to start interacting to make a pulsar. So basically no most of the time no launching or trebuchet propulsion would happen.
It's probably childsplay wrangling 3D bosonic matter from a higher dimension, for the aliens that evolved into pure consciousness; or something..:::🤔🕶🌌
It is really interesting (even if it is not aliens ;)), from the perspective of how to adjust the movement of stellar objects (which are definitely not conventional engines). Not practical at this stage, but cool ideas.
Uh... Let's break this down logically. The author is suggesting that it might be possible for some species to build equipment that could survive the truly hellish conditions that are found in close proximity to a neutron star, and further, that said species could actually survive being exposed to that environment during the in situ process of constructing the equipment. Now remember, we're talking about living and working in very close proximity to a NEUTRON STAR !!! (sorry) The second most violent object known in the universe, next to a black hole. The author then goes on to propose that they're going to drive the damn thing around. I think that the author cooked up the wrong kind of mushrooms with his steak dinner or something. 🤪 Thank you for your time.
@@osmosisjones4912 yes like instead of picking berries you sail mammoth tankers across the planet because you want your berries out of season... we came a long way with efficiency 🙄
Jevon's Paradox states that increasing energy efficiency results in MORE energy being being used in total. That is why more energy efficiency has resulted in MORE energy in total being used. Energy savings are invested in growing the economy. Plus energy efficiency will only get you just so far because you can not get more than 100% efficiency and you not even get to 100%.
Either there’s a very easy to define maximum for efficiency, or perpetual motion machines are possible. Thermodynamics; love em or hate em, they ain’t changing.
@@coweatsmanJavons paradox is rather limited to certian on our global trade dealing with humans in particular, and more particularly with what metrics weve choosen to promote. LED Light bulbs are an example that breaks Javons Paradox. Cars on smaller island countries are another. There is an somewhat historic example from the late 90's where computers where getting more efficent faster then software could handle so most prebuilt units dud not increase PSU capacity despite computers technically being capable. Also we've broken 10% efficiency on most things. Computing is almost always going to be a diffrent story as its just transforms so any use is wasted energy, leaving us with quite a ways to go there, but even Hydrogen production from water is almost to 100% of what is possible in theroy
I didn't think today would be the day I learn about a star eating another star as means of navigation... I knew about using a star to travel space, I always pictured it as a Dyson Sphere, not as this... Wild and honestly geniusly terrifying.
Why would they want to move? Is there a danger they're trying to get away from? Are they moving to a place with better resources? Are they trying to escape from the great attractor?
Maybe this is how galaxies are formed. Civilizations seeking to devour all the power sources around them. Because we all know that at the bottom of a black hole singularity is a McDonalds sign.
I had a thought earlier today, and cant shake it. Ive often thought that the Universe, since its expanding it volume yet no new mass is introduced, would be slowly becoming less dense over time. But then i had a thought that, What if as the universe cools, the matter weighs more? and that eventually it could cool to the point that matter particles themselves would each be capable of producing a singularity. and the effect would sunder the entire verse. I wonder how much truth this holds, or if its already something others are discussing. Im sure i cant be the only one to have considered these notions.
Understood zero. Stars have to rotate around each other in order to not collide, so any gas emitted leading momentarily to "propulsion" along the axis connecting the two stars would be emitted in every direction, leading to no propulsion overall.
Stars do come in flavours, black a truly ripping experience, brown chewy soft no spice, orange getting like taffy little spice got some heat, yellow like a melted taffy almost liquid mid spice low heat, blue almost like cotton candy but so hot and lots of spice, and white pure flooooph high heat and max spice, not to neutron think dave's insanity sauce, pulsar think putting lava on your tongue, and magnetar think having your face hit with supermans eye lasers.
I love it. I've had some daydreams wondering if it would be possible to drive a solar system. But would the planets really follow along? Considering the whole solar system is being pulled around the galactic nucleus, not really 'following' the star. I'd think if you're not careful, you'd lose the planets if the star becomes a spider pulsar . But then again I'm not an advanced alien, they'd figure out a solution :D
The hope for aliens has an interesting history. From hopes of civilisations on Mars and Venus being dashed thoroughly to LGMs (little green men) being a speculative possibility in the early days of pulsar discoveries to the "Wow" signal to possible "Dyson Spheres" as possible aliens all being dashed to the Fermi Paradox to the "filter" and various other explanations which keeps hope alive to SETI. It may be more fruitful to look for for techno signatures of extinct civilisations. Just as there are on earth more collapsed civilisations and more dead people than live ones.
Would make a hell of a "windshield". So far, we have not really been looking at the simple dangers of objects in the path of a craft. No forcefields or repulser beam tech on the horizon. Traveling across space is dangerous in so many ways.
I've tried to point this out to people here on this channel multiple times whenever someone starts romanticizing about interstellar travel, or even high speed interplanetary travel. The 800 lb. Gorilla in the room will always be the risk of collisions. Until that problem is solved, everything else is moot.
@@stargazer5784What collisions? You could fly through a thousand lightyears of interstellar space without hitting anything larger than a golf ball. Just have a thick ablative shield on the front of your ship to deal with particles and send a cloud of dust ahead to break up the larger objects.
My problem with the Type I, type II etc hypotheses: They assume advanced civilizations will be based on our own economic model of unlimited growth and consumption. As we approach our own great filter head on, it seems to me that in order to survive that long, any advanced civilization would need to develop a strong ethos of sustainability early on.
Or, I think more likely, simply fail to sustain a resource intensive civilization - which amounts to the same thing effectively. A sustainable civilization in any realistic scenario is a failed civilization.
That same logic could be applied to that idea too. My counter argument is, why sustain when there is a unfathomable about of energy out there, so much so that the easiest way to sustain ourselves is to exponentially expand.
I completely agree here ! It's seems very naive and very optimistic at the same time to imagine aliens doing that. (or even us in a far distant future) The fact is : we don't know. We are far too young to know! It's like a 5 year old boy thinking he knows how his life will be in 30 years. There is a high chance he will be way off in his predictions about himself. It's nice and all to use imagination. But we should be humble and be cautious not to be overconfident about our future.
If interstellar travel is viable at all, I wouldn't find the idea of a stellar engine too far fetched. Plot courses to your next fuel stop, so to speak. I just really want there to be aliens lol
No way. They would have to time things perfectly or go pinwheeling and you would likely see that. You would see it flare up but only when the thruster star was in the proper position to push the fuel star in the right direction. It would thrust for a degree, and then it would stop accelerating for the rest of it's orbit until it was in the right position to push again. If I had to guess I'd say it was natural. Like it's being caused by a companion with an elliptical orbit timed just right to keep the companion's closest approach always on the same side of the fuel star
It makes more sense than galactic empires. Civilisations using up resources and moving on is more energy efficient than policing colonies hundreds of light years apart
It would be interesting if they all seem to be moving towards destinations… It would be EXTREMELY interesting if they all seemed to be moving toward a common destination 😲 In that case… the potential would exist that they (the advanced civilization) might be moving the stars to the planned “building site” of their largest megastructure to ever be built. 1) Move a bunch of stars to preferred location. 2) Begin star lifting project materials/resources from the stars. 3) Begin building your megastructure. Entire cities have been built here on Earth, primarily to appease the ego of particular rulers… Imagine the “legacy” that a civilization could leave behind with the material lifted from 18 to 20 stars or so 😂😂😂
That’s all the universe needed. A darn civilisation that goes around the whole universe, potentially, devouring every star and every other thing like a celestial swarm of locusts…… ⚛️☮️🌏
maybe not This One, but just like an ant colony discovering that the "flat rock" outside their anthill is actually an Interstate Highway 1000 miles long, something we view as a natural feature of the Universe may turn out to be the artifacts of beings we can't even begin to comprehend. They'll fry us with their pulsar passing by, just like we would crush the anthill when we pulled over to change a flat tire.
The God within the star structure uses the power of the celestial mass he resides in to help transport alien ships that work with the God within the star or black star. They shoot a beam out propelling the craft the aliens are using across interstellar space
Well at least it's nice to know that the alien civilisations appear to have agreed with my working out - that the primary generator of everything is a binary engine. Thank you.
It's such an inefficient way to go about it; all that mass is just wasted by throwing it away behind you. It's also VERY noticeable and gives anyone else a lot of time to take action against them (if the moving ones are hostile, or the watcher is simply a paranoid and violent nut, etc).
If a civilization found out its star is going out and it will be destruction of their planet and they had that ability or some other disaster heading toward their planet it would be nice to be able to move the whole planet.
Could it be "Metal Munching Moon Masters" as highlighted on Bullwinkle cartoons of yesteryear, making these Dyson spheres? Other than that your prognosis is "way out there," do you just make this stuff up?
I have to ask. Isn't the pulsar itself so extreme that we shouldn't even have life or planets with anything possible nearby? I guess time to do some reading . Thanks Anton. Have a wonderful day!
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There's an old Romulan saying: "The grass is always bluer on the other side of the galaxy."
There's an old Klingon saying: "Romulans are p'takh."
@Deletirium Oh, that's cruel. Klingons are deplorable!
There's another old Romulan saying: "Klingons are veruul."
That's what they want you to think!
@@Deletirium Oh, snap!
I can't wait for the day that Anton says it is aliens.
If he still does videos in 100 years we will know it without him saying it.
Be ready to wait till he lives to be the old age of 155.
when he smiles at the cam and waves he already looks alien
No matter what mystery there is, Anton would always attest that dark matter unicorns are the leading culprit.
@@chabis Or Anton has become immortal
I feel like if you have the energy, materials, and ability needed to pull off moving multiple stars, you would have had to have found a more convenient method of interstellar travel. The only reasons I can think to move your entire house (star system) instead of just moving to a different home would be
A. You're in an isolated part of the galaxy
B. You're trying to save your system from sort of catastrophic event, like a nearby supernova
Still seems like it'd be more effort than it's worth
Unless there is a religious motivation.
Might be someone throwing a star at someone else...
@@degenererad this would be more likely as neutron stars aren't renowned for their hospitality unless you like bathing in gamma rays and x rays.
Good point. But maybe convenient interstellar travel just isn't possible at all? I assume advanced species are out there and if they had fast interstellar travel we might have been well visited long before now.
@@degenererad this is what I was thinking. If tribalism and inequality is a fundamental aspect of all life, they could use stars as weapons.
My God, it's full of stars.
Not mac n cheese
@@nudoge babies can't eat mac n cheese
Whenever a video’s title asks a question, the answer is no.
Betteridge's Law of Headlines
Or the video proceeds to be a 10/15 min redundancy with a sponsor break just to make us waste a bit of life
Except in this case, the answer is also no.
😂
@@Oltoir Imma make a TH-cam video about that and title it "Is Betteridge's Law True?" and watch heads explode.
What an imaginative and thought-provoking hypothesis! And _stellivore_ is such a cool word, too. For anyone interested in stellar engines, Kurzgesagt have a video on stellar engines, focussing specifically on the Shkadov and Caplan thrusters; it's giddily enjoyable viewing. 😀
I prefer the term astrophage
A stellar devourer using and consuming the star in search of another star to consume
Capitalist 👽, Consume local Resources and move to the next ✨ System
the ultimate consumer culture 😂🎉
I'm so sorry, guys. No, it was me. Tripped on a cable last night as I came into the house and dragged the pulsars across the living room.
At time 3:40 the Earth Moon labels should not be there
At least you didn't clog up M87 again- I was at it with the plunger all night.
@@Deletirium Uh...Umm, yeah definitely not me. No sir 🙄
Ok. Put it back now.
@@jamespatrick5930yeah, that had me scratching my head
Cowboing a binary star system and riding it across the Universe? Sounds badass
Sometimes, becoming a Kardashev Type 2 civilization seems like too much work.
Great comment It got a guffaw out of me. As a 70 yo man, I could do a lot of things. But my chair in my house is very comfortable.
I think the Kardashev Type civ scale is a little flawed, maybe civs that start around red dwarf stars do their planets power first but for us the sun is just so much better. Plus I think any civ that taps their planet to hard kills itself, so best to skip the civ 1 stuff and just go straight to solar.
The Kardashians are 5 and uncivilized
@@Sutairn Yeah, if humans were really motivated in doing so, we could have made a dyson swarm by 2090 or smth, by now we'd already be like 20% done if we take it since 20 years since mankind put someone on the moon, our planet to us is practically heaven, tons of resources, nearly all technological used resources in abundance it'd make sense for us to skip levels whereas another species may need to prep their foundation better.
@@Aureonw So I do agree with you on kinda this but the issue with old tech is not collecting it but how do we send it back to us without heating up the atmosphere a ton. Basically we need a moon base to send this to.
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 🫠🫡
Oh Anton throwing cover for the aliens again? Fox Mulder would be so disappointed.
Does anyone else ever wave back at Anton? Hello wonderful person! (cheesy grin) WAVE! (waves back) Or is that just me?
Nice one to go with pulsars used for mapping and navigation and a type to go with pulsars with glitches from a mega structure for power and communication arrays. I guess the question would be how to tell natural vs artificial.
At first I was confused by your argument at 9:00.
(I would like to point out - I also don't think it's aliens. Globular clusters have lots of "close" stars, and that's going to increase the chance of this type of thing happening naturally.)
"It would be kind of difficult to explain why we actually see so many of them inside Omega Centauri. Here a lot of stars are actually really close to each other and moving from one star to another shouldn't really be that difficult especially for a type two civilization"
At first I thought "Of course you would? if you're moving a star, and the way you move it is efficient, and you have an industrialized civilization set up, you're going to copy that method across all applicable places."
After thinking about it, I think I get what you were saying. You were saying that it's relatively easy to move individuals and ships between such close stars, especially for K2 civilizations. Yes, that'd be true, but the difference is that making a thruster like this is for moving the entire star... no, the solar system, whatever dyson swarm you made, and anything else you have set up with you to another location.
The point is, you're moving the star itself, because it holds all the infrastructure and runs all your systems for your star empire. Sure, you could move bits and pieces at a time, perhaps large percentages even, by using a dyson swarm laser propulsion array... but at that point what your doing is disassembling all the hard work you did to set up your K2 civilization, and leaving the current star(s) that are still capable of fueling it just for slightly greener pastures. Why not just continue building up the swarm/ matryoshka brain/ etc and eventually reach a new star in a few hundred/thousand years that will ADD to your K2 civilization, not just replace it.
When you think that their is Limit to Growth and no Infinite Growth, there's always a scientist to add a "well, actually". It just that the step between where we are and that is way to big to imagine. It would however make a fabulous Great Filter.
But now i'm starting to wonder if there is a point where your solar system can get "to big" for your main star to capture through gravity.
Wait, beyond the Type 2 might not even be a Type 3 according to the Kardashev Scale but an artificial mini galaxy ? You move it around until it's big enough to completely eat a natural galaxy, then you try to replicate that to eat nearby galaxy until the natural expansion of the universe makes it impossible for any other galaxy to be around, creating a mini local universe after hundreds of billions of years ? This would make a great sf plot, until some scientist publish a paper stating that it is indeed possible (or not).
Too funny! First, all my favorite content creators upload videos on black holes. Now a different group picks things with a spider in the storyline...
🤔 I'll take may wins with my nightmares and like it I guess!! 😆
Cool,thanks Anton🕷👍❤
An illegal alien was seen driving my old Plymouth Satellite near the Ford Galaxy
Alien abducts man piloting enterprise, leaving universe via rainbow.
I know. I know! There is a rock concert scheduled in that cluster, and all those civilizations are going to see it. Phfish or the Hateful Dead, probably!
The trend on this planet has been to develop more efficient energy sources, that use less energy. Why would a type II civilization need such massive amounts? Why would they waste the amounts that this form of travel would require, unless their own corner of the universe was going to suffer a catastrophe so dire they needed to bolt immediately!
Thank you, Anton!
Knew I shouldn’t have had these gummies
Imo the best part of Eddies is that crushing anxiety and paranoia. It really lets me focus on thing i normally ignore. Like calling my father, cleaning my room, going to the dentist, etc.
@@bryophytamantodea7254 dear jesus you wanted to kill the poor man
@Sutairn i almost mentioned the best part of weed to mans.
You know, the fact that the only danger is it can accelerate psychosis in some people 😈
I love your videos. But I have to admit, these theories or studies are just very smart people writing science fiction. We haven’t even started to study how to smelt metals into usable materials in zero gravity yet.
Given that it is possible for an advanced civilisation to construct this type of transport system, I have one question :-
How and where do they obtain the vast amount of materials necessary to construct it?
The Milky Way has trillions of planets waiting for someone to do something useful with them. We will one day grind-up some of Jupiter's & Saturn's moons to build something.
@@douglaswilkinson5700Those are mostly ice, and pretty small. It’d make way more sense to grind up mercury and Venus - not like anyone was going to be living on those anyways.
Interstellar mining robot?
@@oberonpanopticon OK! Let's consider a DS inside the orbit of Mercury. A shell say, 4 million km in radius and only 1 km thick. That would equate to a total shell volume of 2.01E14 km^3.
ASSUMING :-
Constructing 10% of total shell volume. : 2.01E14 / 10 = 2.01E13 km^3.
Mass of structure 10% of that volume. : 2.01E13 / 10 = 2.01E12 km^3.
Total weight of steel (7.5E9 Tonnes/km^3). : 7.50E9 * 2.01E12 = 1.51E23 Tonnes.
AVAILABLE MATERIALS.
Total mass of Solar System minus the Sun. : 2.7E24 Tonnes.
Available iron content say 3%. : (2.7E24 * 3) /100 = 8.10E22 Tonnes.
CONCLUSION.
The amount of available iron in the Solar System amounts to just over half that required to construct a structure capable of collecting only 10% of solar output. This is a very rough approximation of of the steel required to build the supporting structure. It does not include materials for the generation and transmission of power. Neither does it account for protection against the loss of strength in steel when reaching temperatures exceeding 550deg C.
@@oberonpanopticon You are correct. They are dead rocks. The last time I said that our solar system is our's and we can do whatever we want with it a large number people reacted negatively: "We must protect every planet; It's arrogant to assumed we own planets in out solar system; what if aliens see us doing this and wipe us out; etc.
Exploring the "It's Aliens"-explanation (IA) is always worth it. Like AI, IA gives you much more attention. And who wouldn't want to be the first one to actually find some aliens?
Assuming that they neither want to harm us nor have the ability to do so.
@@douglaswilkinson5700 Being the one who brought them to Earth may indeed be less desirable.
I have ASD, I am already an alien on this planet. Unfortunately I don't use neutron star as engines yet...
who isn't nowadays...
@@stevenmoore3480 what do you mean?
@@pigeongris9429 I have MCD (mean comment disorder). Take it as a teachable moment... don't start a convo or thread with how special you are.
@@stevenmoore3480 it is not about being special, if it's something you can't understand you should simply not speak about. I was not diagnosed because I wanted to be special, I was diagnosed because I had difficylties and I don't see how you can be proud of your difficulties by representing yourself by it. I have qualities like I have difficulties, so do you and at this point we are human at the end. And if you interpret my commentary as a act of proud, note that I just wanted to make a joke and nothing more. It was not destined to you but more for the people that understand it.
What an amazing proposition. Such an imaginative scientific idea.
It's never aliens.
But the food smells good.
If aliens ever visit, Anton needs to introduce us, and not some government suit.
😂😅 Mars Attacks!
Intriguing hypothesises!
trying to send even the most shielded robotics to try and do anything around a neutron star is near impossible to even consider much less a pulsar.
i think aliens are responsible for sore rectums
Yeah but on the other hand: pyramids!
@@Pouncer9000 oh yeahh
Maybe they assume we need re charging and thats the port ...
You had too much fun at the pride parade, let's not make silly excuses.
😂😂LMSAO (sore)
I wonder if at the rate of consumption of the one star, will there be enough left if the system "arrives" at the "target star" and if so, then would that then make the system a three-star system? If a civilization is clever enough to be a Type II Civilization, I'm sure they can more easily deal with their own "3-body" problems. Perhaps they are simply moving a way from a more destructive force with no real destination? Also, it could be that they simply mean to pass through or by systems to "seed" potentially habitable planets (whatever that means for that particular life-form)? I could see how a "star-killer" base might be an inspiration for this kind of hypothesis, though. Fun to imagine about it!
Aliens are like "Its never Anton"
Larry Niven and Gregory Benford wrote "A Bowl of Heaven" and its second half "Shipstar" with this theme. They consider two types of extreme megastructures and some of their implications. One such is wrangling black holes for use in interstellar communications.
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You are correct
9:49 It's essentially an assembly line. Whenever we as humans find an area rich in resources, we exploit it. Why would aliens be any different?
Researcher discovering that its going to arrive in 420 years👌😎
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When using the power of the star, you need to know how to release the energy or manipulate the energy with your bio magnetic field. It's no different from how dragon ball z character use their power
I wanna know if we’d be able to detect the signs of space battles. What conditions would have to be true for a spaceship exploding to be noticeable? Could a large enough fleets engines be detected?
Probably not the case but an intriguing idea 🙂
If there are advanced civilizations, the nature of light should allow us to see this. Im hopeful we can get some confirmation along evidence of others out there.
wow. thats exceptionally interesting.
I have to disagree this video sparked the interest of alien heads but true logic not even the best super advance future robots can live around a pulsar much less any life.
No, because if you have the ability to move stars themselves, it means you already had the technology to get to said star in the first place , meaning you have a form of travel to get from one star to the other,
meaning there’s no reason to move the star itself in the first place , and if your moving them all to one location you’d be advanced enough to relies that’s not a good idea , see Magellanic clouds , with so many stars in one location not only do you have to deal with the fact you’d need to travel further and further to bring them back , but your also creating a vast gravity field in one location that you’d eventually have to deal with .
The beings within the star can also absorb the entire star into their bodies and can use the energy to pull against other celestial objects to bring themselves closer to other star systems using relativity. Trust me when I say it's been done before
Sounds interesting... The issue is for something surviving that kind of environment. I don't think even artificial life (electronics, basically) would survive.
Could a spider pulsar be part of a trinary system and do some sorta trebuchet propulsion?
Depends on if you thinking a trinary as a three body problem or just a 2 body system. All three body problem system decay in about 1 to 10 million years so that is not enough time for a pulsar to develop in the system. if you think about a 3 star system that is a 2 body system, most of these situation end with the smaller third star being eaten by one of the other larger stars and then it take billions of years for the orbit of those two to decay enough for them to start interacting to make a pulsar. So basically no most of the time no launching or trebuchet propulsion would happen.
So... Alien thought here.
How do you stop the planet when it gets where it's going?
Rotate it at the midpoint of the journey
Obviously, you need to slow it down in time or it will shoot past your destination. Just apply the same thrust in the opposite direction.
It's probably childsplay wrangling 3D bosonic matter from a higher dimension, for the aliens that evolved into pure consciousness; or something..:::🤔🕶🌌
@@joshroolf1966 That's both cartoon logic and cartoon terms.
It is really interesting (even if it is not aliens ;)), from the perspective of how to adjust the movement of stellar objects (which are definitely not conventional engines). Not practical at this stage, but cool ideas.
If we don't eat the Sun it will eat us 🫥🌞
i love these ideas. with the number of habitable planets i have to believe we have neighbors.
neighbors always have cool toys to play with.
Dear god this is your season, I bet your favorite christmas movie is home alone.
Uh... Let's break this down logically. The author is suggesting that it might be possible for some species to build equipment that could survive the truly hellish conditions that are found in close proximity to a neutron star, and further, that said species could actually survive being exposed to that environment during the in situ process of constructing the equipment. Now remember, we're talking about living and working in very close proximity to a NEUTRON STAR !!! (sorry) The second most violent object known in the universe, next to a black hole. The author then goes on to propose that they're going to drive the damn thing around. I think that the author cooked up the wrong kind of mushrooms with his steak dinner or something. 🤪 Thank you for your time.
Maybe advanced civilizations get more efficient with energy use
@@osmosisjones4912 yes like instead of picking berries you sail mammoth tankers across the planet because you want your berries out of season... we came a long way with efficiency 🙄
Jevon's Paradox states that increasing energy efficiency results in MORE energy being being used in total. That is why more energy efficiency has resulted in MORE energy in total being used. Energy savings are invested in growing the economy. Plus energy efficiency will only get you just so far because you can not get more than 100% efficiency and you not even get to 100%.
we’d better hope we can or we’ll be living on a sterile rock
Either there’s a very easy to define maximum for efficiency, or perpetual motion machines are possible. Thermodynamics; love em or hate em, they ain’t changing.
@@coweatsmanJavons paradox is rather limited to certian on our global trade dealing with humans in particular, and more particularly with what metrics weve choosen to promote.
LED Light bulbs are an example that breaks Javons Paradox. Cars on smaller island countries are another. There is an somewhat historic example from the late 90's where computers where getting more efficent faster then software could handle so most prebuilt units dud not increase PSU capacity despite computers technically being capable.
Also we've broken 10% efficiency on most things. Computing is almost always going to be a diffrent story as its just transforms so any use is wasted energy, leaving us with quite a ways to go there, but even Hydrogen production from water is almost to 100% of what is possible in theroy
I didn't think today would be the day I learn about a star eating another star as means of navigation... I knew about using a star to travel space, I always pictured it as a Dyson Sphere, not as this... Wild and honestly geniusly terrifying.
I watched your video and I feel like playing Dyson Sphere Program again !
Why would they want to move?
Is there a danger they're trying to get away from?
Are they moving to a place with better resources?
Are they trying to escape from the great attractor?
Who needs FTL Travel when you can ride a star?
Maybe this is how galaxies are formed. Civilizations seeking to devour all the power sources around them. Because we all know that at the bottom of a black hole singularity is a McDonalds sign.
7:50 - It's a tribute to human intellect that we have a comparison chart for stellar propulsion systems.
I would like to imagine that cluster is just like the extraterrestrials mall galaxy like thats where they all come together amd sell eachother things
But what if only Humans would think of such messed up concepts. We're probably just talking about our future selves.
maybe our future AI overlords aka all hail the basilisk, but not us we are but frail meatbags designed to live on earth during this time and age.
I had a thought earlier today, and cant shake it. Ive often thought that the Universe, since its expanding it volume yet no new mass is introduced, would be slowly becoming less dense over time. But then i had a thought that, What if as the universe cools, the matter weighs more? and that eventually it could cool to the point that matter particles themselves would each be capable of producing a singularity. and the effect would sunder the entire verse. I wonder how much truth this holds, or if its already something others are discussing. Im sure i cant be the only one to have considered these notions.
Understood zero. Stars have to rotate around each other in order to not collide, so any gas emitted leading momentarily to "propulsion" along the axis connecting the two stars would be emitted in every direction, leading to no propulsion overall.
You are such an indigo starseed T, greetings from a blue ray starseed
Stellivors or pulsars. Why not both?
For info, this is touched on/explored in Stephen Baxter's SF novel Galaxias.
As always thought provoking
Mmmm if stars had flavours…
My favourite: Magnatar
Watch out, they'll rip your fillings right out.
I like a milky way.
Stars do come in flavours, black a truly ripping experience, brown chewy soft no spice, orange getting like taffy little spice got some heat, yellow like a melted taffy almost liquid mid spice low heat, blue almost like cotton candy but so hot and lots of spice, and white pure flooooph high heat and max spice, not to neutron think dave's insanity sauce, pulsar think putting lava on your tongue, and magnetar think having your face hit with supermans eye lasers.
Maybe it's more appealing to go somewhere when you don't have such a long trip!
I love it. I've had some daydreams wondering if it would be possible to drive a solar system.
But would the planets really follow along? Considering the whole solar system is being pulled around the galactic nucleus, not really 'following' the star.
I'd think if you're not careful, you'd lose the planets if the star becomes a spider pulsar .
But then again I'm not an advanced alien, they'd figure out a solution :D
And no, it's not aliens? Who replaced Anton.
Aliens
clickbait tho
We imagine aliens to evolve to use technology. Not life evolve that their bodies are more like technologies
Remember... it's always ALIENS, until it isn't! 🛸🖖👽
🤔It seems alien to me hearing Anton talking about aliens.🤗
The hope for aliens has an interesting history. From hopes of civilisations on Mars and Venus being dashed thoroughly to LGMs (little green men) being a speculative possibility in the early days of pulsar discoveries to the "Wow" signal to possible "Dyson Spheres" as possible aliens all being dashed to the Fermi Paradox to the "filter" and various other explanations which keeps hope alive to SETI. It may be more fruitful to look for for techno signatures of extinct civilisations. Just as there are on earth more collapsed civilisations and more dead people than live ones.
Holy moses batman... This is new for you sir! Uh, good work!
Any idea the speed these engines could reach ?
His English is another level ❤
Would make a hell of a "windshield". So far, we have not really been looking at the simple dangers of objects in the path of a craft. No forcefields or repulser beam tech on the horizon. Traveling across space is dangerous in so many ways.
I've tried to point this out to people here on this channel multiple times whenever someone starts romanticizing about interstellar travel, or even high speed interplanetary travel. The 800 lb. Gorilla in the room will always be the risk of collisions. Until that problem is solved, everything else is moot.
@@stargazer5784What collisions? You could fly through a thousand lightyears of interstellar space without hitting anything larger than a golf ball. Just have a thick ablative shield on the front of your ship to deal with particles and send a cloud of dust ahead to break up the larger objects.
This is like watching stellar pool being played by the King of the Cues, Prince of the Planets.
My problem with the Type I, type II etc hypotheses: They assume advanced civilizations will be based on our own economic model of unlimited growth and consumption. As we approach our own great filter head on, it seems to me that in order to survive that long, any advanced civilization would need to develop a strong ethos of sustainability early on.
Or, I think more likely, simply fail to sustain a resource intensive civilization - which amounts to the same thing effectively. A sustainable civilization in any realistic scenario is a failed civilization.
That same logic could be applied to that idea too. My counter argument is, why sustain when there is a unfathomable about of energy out there, so much so that the easiest way to sustain ourselves is to exponentially expand.
NO SPOILER: but I think 3 Body Problem's dark forest hypothesis best explains why this likely wouldn't happen.
I completely agree here ! It's seems very naive and very optimistic at the same time to imagine aliens doing that. (or even us in a far distant future)
The fact is : we don't know. We are far too young to know!
It's like a 5 year old boy thinking he knows how his life will be in 30 years. There is a high chance he will be way off in his predictions about himself. It's nice and all to use imagination. But we should be humble and be cautious not to be overconfident about our future.
So humanity will destroy itself
If interstellar travel is viable at all, I wouldn't find the idea of a stellar engine too far fetched. Plot courses to your next fuel stop, so to speak. I just really want there to be aliens lol
It's hard to imagine a way for life, especially intelligent life, to evolve in such a brutal and unstable environment.
No way. They would have to time things perfectly or go pinwheeling and you would likely see that. You would see it flare up but only when the thruster star was in the proper position to push the fuel star in the right direction. It would thrust for a degree, and then it would stop accelerating for the rest of it's orbit until it was in the right position to push again.
If I had to guess I'd say it was natural. Like it's being caused by a companion with an elliptical orbit timed just right to keep the companion's closest approach always on the same side of the fuel star
It makes more sense than galactic empires. Civilisations using up resources and moving on is more energy efficient than policing colonies hundreds of light years apart
It would be interesting if they all seem to be moving towards destinations…
It would be EXTREMELY interesting if they all seemed to be moving toward a common destination 😲
In that case… the potential would exist that they (the advanced civilization) might be moving the stars to the planned “building site” of their largest megastructure to ever be built.
1)
Move a bunch of stars to preferred location.
2)
Begin star lifting project materials/resources from the stars.
3)
Begin building your megastructure.
Entire cities have been built here on Earth, primarily to appease the ego of particular rulers…
Imagine the “legacy” that a civilization could leave behind with the material lifted from 18 to 20 stars or so 😂😂😂
If nothing else it could make a good premise for a SciFi novel.
That’s all the universe needed. A darn civilisation that goes around the whole universe, potentially, devouring every star and every other thing like a celestial swarm of locusts…… ⚛️☮️🌏
If the star is moved - what happens to the planets that orbited it? Do they become rogue planets?
Why do we consider advanced to mean super energy consumption? There’s a problem with humans and their thought patterns.
Is that Ameca speaking?
18 doesn't sound like all that much to me. What if it's the alien version of the Silk Road, or something, and those 18 are the trading vessels?
Is it April 1st already?
It seems that no new theory is complete without the suggestion of aliens doing impossible things.
For what reason would any one want to move their star to another place in a galaxy? What spot would be better than any other?
maybe not This One, but just like an ant colony discovering that the "flat rock" outside their anthill is actually an Interstate Highway 1000 miles long, something we view as a natural feature of the Universe may turn out to be the artifacts of beings we can't even begin to comprehend. They'll fry us with their pulsar passing by, just like we would crush the anthill when we pulled over to change a flat tire.
The God within the star structure uses the power of the celestial mass he resides in to help transport alien ships that work with the God within the star or black star. They shoot a beam out propelling the craft the aliens are using across interstellar space
Well at least it's nice to know that the alien civilisations appear to have agreed with my working out - that the primary generator of everything is a binary engine.
Thank you.
It's such an inefficient way to go about it; all that mass is just wasted by throwing it away behind you. It's also VERY noticeable and gives anyone else a lot of time to take action against them (if the moving ones are hostile, or the watcher is simply a paranoid and violent nut, etc).
I knew it was Aliens 👽!
When its scientifical, its hypothetical, if its just logical but not proven its conspiracy. Both are in fact not far off from each other.
If a civilization found out its star is going out and it will be destruction of their planet and they had that ability or some other disaster heading toward their planet it would be nice to be able to move the whole planet.
Could it be "Metal Munching Moon Masters" as highlighted on Bullwinkle cartoons of yesteryear, making these Dyson spheres? Other than that your prognosis is "way out there," do you just make this stuff up?
I have to ask. Isn't the pulsar itself so extreme that we shouldn't even have life or planets with anything possible nearby?
I guess time to do some reading .
Thanks Anton.
Have a wonderful day!