Taekwondo Master Reacting to Karate "Kata"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ค. 2024
- Ok, so this was the first video on TH-cam searching Karate Kata, so I decided to do a reaction on this video, I was surprised to see that self-defense was also part of the competition. There was so much going on that I couldn't analyze all the details, but probably next Kata video, I should process more :) But definitely, Kata is powerful.
Respect.
/ wootaekwon
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Thank you! I am a karateka for over 15 years and everytime i see a Taekwondo fight or demonstration it is so impressive for me because of the fantastic leg work / technique. When i see that a good karate kata is also that impressive for a high graded Taekwondo practictioner, i have the feeling that we are all in a big martial art family ☺️
@@joshhale7303 whatever is wrong with you?
Respect for all martial arts 👏🙏
Really? Even the fake ones?? Shame...
@@drekdrek2988 they meant the real ones not fake
+1
@@sabbasincewhen4555 i was kidding btw
@@drekdrek2988 oh sorry
00:45 Same as Team Poomsae. In Karate, Kata (Poomsae) is followed by Bunkai which is a performance on the practicality of that Kata. This Bunkai hasn't entered Taekwondo competitions as yet. However, some Dojang do teach those to explain the meaning of every Poomsae move to their students. The Blue/Red Belts are infact Black Belts to identify similarly in Taekwondo as Cheung/Hong.
01:33 This intial stance of Kata does not exist in Taekwondo. Instead we stand in Moa Seogi (Attention Stance) 모아 서기. The Horse Riding stance in Taekwondo (Juchum Seogi) 주춤 서기 & Karate (Kiba Dachi) are different. Taekwondo Horse-riding stance is higher as Taekwondo practitioners are always in attacking mode. The Karate Horse-riding stance is a very low stance in a Defensive mode. This exact Kiba Dachi in Taekwondo is called Nachuo Seogi (Low stance) 낮추어 서기.
02:44 The Biggest Challenge in Poomsae is the Flow & Release of Energy and Balance.
Wow, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I don't do poomsae personally, I know many patterns after 1st Dan as my instructor balances all the different aspects of Taekwondo - self defence - sports sparring - poomsae. My main focus is sports fighting. I've been training for over 10 years.
It's the Kata first. Then they show how the Kata works, and that's called Bunkai!
I started learning martial arts formally with Tang Soo Do, but I'm a karate practitioner now. There are a lot of similarities. You said that the kata you watched doesn't follow a set direction, but if you look at most karate kata, they start and end in the same spot like Korean forms do. They start making the same shapes in the beginner katas. Taikyoku Shodan is VERY similar to the first Korean form. As they progress in difficulty, the katas usually move in a plus sign shape or an asterisk shape from either the start point, or a couple of steps from the start point and then have a few moves to get you back to the same start point. I've noticed, the closer you get to Chinese martial arts, age wise, the less there is a concern with getting back to start as the forms were more about doing damage than presentation. Great video!
Tang Soo Do is more akin to Karate as it descended from Shotokan. That's if your Tang Soo Do's lineage is under the Moo Duk Kwan family. American Tang Soo Do would mostly distance themselves from Moo Duk Kwan, and would add elements from Judo, Jiujitsu and Shito Ryu into their curriculum.
Great video, and concept. This competition video is a great example of mainland Japanese karate.
Those guys are in great condition.
Would be interesting to see you react to Okinawan karate styles - Goju Ryu, Uechi Ryu, Shōrin Ryu, Shitō Ryu etc.
The kata that you just watched is Unsu from the Shotokan style of karate. Poomsae has similarities with Shotokan kata. And here’s why:
The founder of Taekwondo, Choi Hong Hi Shihan, happened to be a direct and one of the most notable students of Gichin Funakoshi Shihan, the founder of Shotokan karate.
(Shihan is Japanese for “Master.”)
Wow, they were amazing! When all three jumped and you could hear all three land at the same time😮
Thank you
Bravo ! Beautiful comments fill with respect of the differences between the styles ! Excellent exemple of an open mind that can see beauty every where..inspiring
Its really a contrast to TKD.
Ive trained olympic style tkd for a good part of my youth from master Sang Sup Kil of “ Han Mu Kwan “ and as you know light rhythmic footwork is essential.
Scoring head kids are critical for higher points.
But just like TKD, karate also has a Japanese version and a traditional Okinawan version.
Shotokan is the most similar to TKD and with allot of the Japanese karates it is common to compete as a sport.
Okinawan style like traditional TKD isnt used in olympics nearly as often and isn’t uncommon to see much older participants.
Some of the most conditioned men are also the oldest in okinawan because its more of a way of life than a sport.
Having a strong base seems to be the most contrasting compared to olympic TKD with some wickedly powerful hand strikes.
Much respect to either of the arts.
You are VERY observant!! Thanks for your comment!
Congratulations on the video. I appreciate your respect for another martial art really appreciate Taekwondo as a sport and martial art system.
This particular style of Karate, Shotokan, was used as a base for the creation of Taekwondo. The The second part of the video, the Bunkai, are a free interpretation of possible applications of the Kata. Every team comes up with their own interpretation that tends to be more choreographic than applicable in a real fight but a good spectacle none the less.
As a karateka watching poomsae, we are all amazed by the precision and power of the kicks, but I'm relieved to know that high level karateka can impress a taekwondo practitioner too
In my opinion, the second half looks like the application of the kata. Bunkai.
Wow, that was awesome. I had seen this team kata performance, but had not seen the following demonstration based on a modern competition version of the bunkai (interpretation). I never learned Unsu kata. Evidently the Shito-ryu (and through that Shukokai) lines learned it. Wikipedia suggests a few members of the Shotokan line did as well. The team kata performance was near perfect. This modern competition version of the bunkai was quite remarkable. I can tell you this demonstration was designed to be a remarkable modern demonstration and it was.
Those uniform snaps are so clean and loud. I love it.
Absolutely superb!
thankys for your respect to other martial arts...this makes you a master too!
That second section is called Bunkai.
Is the pratical application of every movement of the kata
It was amazing bunkai, and how they showed the applications of the kata in actual use!
I'm karateka for 4 years and thank you for react karate kata ❤
Wow... it is sooo refreshing to watch these martial artists showing respect for each other..!!.. Awesome!!!! 짱입니다!!!! ♥♥
Sou do BRASIL faço Karate e defesa pessoal. Defesa pessoal pratico com um professor de taekwondo. Também acho Taekwondo incrível, dar saltos incriveis e vários chutes seguidos com ambos os pés... É incrível. Fico feliz quando vejo algum lutador de artes marciais diferente do karatê, elogiar o karatê. As pessoas me perguntam , qual a melhor arte marcial? Eu respondo: a que você se sentir melhor ao praticar, essa é a melhor arte marcial. Não se trata de brigar e tirar sangue do outro, mas de disciplina, esforço, e saúde mental e corporal. Oss!
These practitioners are black belts. They wear either blue or red belts to make it easier to see who is competing against who, red team vs. blue team.
The second part of the team's kata is called bunkai and is supposed to demonstrate application of the various techniques within the team's kata.
I just discovered your chanel and I noticed that you train CDK, do you still incorporate any karate kata that used to be used in TKD CDK back in the 40s and 50s? Or do you exclusively train kukkiwon poomsae like Taegeuk and Yudanja? I ask because I was brought up in CDK under the late Ed Sell and in addition to poomsae we did a few kata as well because thats what he learned in Korea in the 60s.
As a karateka that's tournament kata. There's big difference between the two. I study Ryukyu Kempo ( Oyata line) . It's like sport karate, to traditional kata. Ones for show . The other teaching tool.
The self defense section after the Kata is called Bunkai which is the practical application of the techniques used in the Kata.
as a tkd guy I am very impressed with the power and speed of terchniques used in this kata. I am very much into sparrings, but if i did karate I would practice kata much more. No respect for my colleagues in tkd, I believe tkd is the best for kicking but our poomse little sucks compared to this
Nice video!!
You should do a video on Kajukenbo, Tukong Moosul, Capoeira, Tang Soo Do, or kickboxing
they call it bunkai " the application of the kata" if you can reach the championship round after kata you do bunkai.. but for the elimination to semi final you do only the kata.
6:06 That’s the first time I’ve seen a fireman’s carry-throw/kata-guruma in a karate demonstration.
kata guruma it's one move i fell in love after the first that i fell.. literally (judo years)
it's awesome and i can see variations constantly in WWE 😁
There's a form in the Shorei-Ryu system called "Wansu" (different than Unsu and other styles my use it as well) where Kata-garuma is used as well.
@@kn0ck_0ut95 in the Shotokan Karate dojo I am training in, we also use Kata-Guruma as Bunkai for the Kata Kanku dai (Kushanku). It’s a really cool move. And true, you see it or variations of it in pro wrestling/sports entertainment all the time (John Cena‘s attitude adjustment, regular Fireman’s carry, Death Valley driver, Burning hammer, Brock Lesnar‘s F5 etc).
I haven't finished watching your video as I am typing this but I wanted to share something related to how they get to that level of synchronization. I once saw an interview where they were asking questions about it to the female kata team from Japan and the girls said that they do not only train together, but spend a lot of time together and try to do other activities in synch. like eating for example! so, the more time you spend with someone the easier that you will naturally synch with them
If you look closely they are doing bunkai. They are using the move from the kata. To demonstrate their application.
The ground work is peculiar to Kata Unsu.
These guys were brilliant.
Kata in karate is what we called the form of art, in kata, all the move what you seen is having a purpose, and that is "Bunkai" Application of the form/kata...
Those are some fancy moves man. However, why is it whenever you start to spar it all suddenly becomes a kick boxing match?
Those were great kata applications.
Would you please give the Link to this video?
Thank you Msater Billy ❤❤
When you bowed when you saw the karateka doing the greeting, you realize that too. You are a really great Taekwondo master! In Japan karate (not Okinawa) we speak OSS when greeting. So OSS with my reverence for you!
Bro..... 20 year of Taekwondo....!! Wow man. I'm a Black Belt. But that was like 20 years ago... lol. But yeah I Love Taekwondo. The self defense is amazing....
The body control is outstanding.
I came from Karate before I shifted to Taekwondo, thus, I understand their differences. In TKD, only a few schools/dojangs teach the application of the Poomsae, hence, most kyurugi-inclined jins almost-never appreciate poomsae; yes they still practice those as part of the curriculum and promotions, hence, once asked if poomsaes are applicable, they can not answer. Meanwhile, Old School Karate Dojo's would require you to do bunkai (application) for each kata.
Yea Team Kata always demonstrates Bunkai (application) at the end. I think they have to bring their own interpretation of the Kata. Also in the past I think they used to have to demo the part of the kata they are interpreting first, before showing their version of the Bunkai.
The original forms of tae kwon do were almost identical to Japanese karate. Most of the masters that formed the Korean tae kwon do association in the 50s held black belts in Japanese karate. Only after forming and agreeing to call it tae kwon do they decided to develop there own forms which is still practiced by the ITF. In the 60s they developed a new set of forms called Palgwe and then in the 70s they developed new forms called Tae guek. Only Tang soo do still practice the original forms which is almost identical to shoto kan forms, they refused to join the kta and started there own organization. A lot of the history of Tae kwon do has been omitted, I understand the agenda of the wtf to promote tae kwon do to the world and as a Olympic sport but the connection to karate is in its history. In the early 70s I earned a Brown belt in shoto kan my father was in the U.S. military my mom was Korean he then got a tour of duty to Korea for 2 years so I took up Tae kwon do. My instructor who had started in tae kwon do in the 50s actually knew my shoto kan katas, at the time they were also transitioning to the new tae guek poomse and he was not happy about it. The poomse is now very standardised now, before leaving Korea I tested for black belt at the ku ki won in Seoul and you could see that many tae kwon do schools taught them a little different from each other. Oh well I got my 2 cents in each system has its pros and cons but they are 2 children from the same mother.
Very good commentary
I have a karate black belt do you think it would be easy for me to change to tkd?
TKD and shotokan are very similar as it comes from Shotokan at the routes of Gen Choi’s studies before he made TKD
I'm karateka also taekwondoin and I love both of them
Karate Katas have a 20 step motion depending on what belt you are you learn about 2 to 3 katas. Katas also have a point where you have to start and finish but that is only for the first 9 katas. Their movement in the video was like that because the technique is supposed to be done that way. Also, katas are made up of different basic techniques.
After they show their Kata, they will show what they call Bunkai. Its is how they apply what they learn in Kata. Referring to process of analysing kata and extracting fighting techniques from the movements of a "form" (kata). The extracted fighting techniques are called Oyo. This is a Japanese version of Kata. The Okinawan karate kata is more traditional and powerful and just like seeing kung fu rather than karate kata bcs okinawan karate related to chinese white crane kung fu
I love how he gives respect to other Martial arts...good on him
You need a little color in that room. Looks like your in heaven.
😂 stop. Lol 😂
Ngl, I thinks the back grounds edit to only shades. This is used so you only focus on the person as their colours are vibrant and set a side from the rest of the room.
@@danielgriffiths2947 🙄
@@samuelharris6789 I mean yeah I agree with you but now that I took a second look at the background I think this dude's right
I've studied both: karate has much deeper stances and the footwork is different. Karate will chop your legs and TKD kicks you in the face.
Yep but it's not allowed to kick below the waist line. Or Maybe later. I'm a green belt.
Kata unsu or all Shotokhan kata has a bunkia it has a practical application that was the kumite demonstration at the end and the earlier kata is more cemetrical
Kata+Bunkai, Bunkai is the application of a Kata.
Pls react to kyokushin also.
Karata kata syllabus just for Shito Ryu style has at least 80 katas... Im surprised that in taekwondo internacional poomsae competition they can make lower level poomsae like taeguk 6...taekwondo need to improve the power of poomsae..
I appreciate your respect for karate. Greetings from Chile.
It would be nice if we could see the karate being bigger than a postage stamp.
Its called kata bunkai, applicated from kata in somefight
You asked a couple of questions that don't appear to be answered in the comments. 1) you asked about the belt color. The red and blue belts are to distinguish the competitors, like red or blue singlets do in Olympic Wrestling. They do not indicate rank. The judges, when they make their decision- which you did not show- hold up red or blue flags to indicate which team (red or blue) won the match. 2) You asked if this was the freestyle event. No, it's not. This kata, Unsu, has been in the shotokan syllabus since maybe the 40's or perhaps earlier. Masatoshi Nakayama (first Chief Instructor of the Japan Karatedo Association) in Randall Hassel's book, "Conversations with the Master" said that he was sent to Kenwa Mabuni (Founder of Shito Ryu) to learn this kata and Nakayama adapted it to the Shotokan (JKA) ideology. It has been recognized by the WKF and WUKO before it as a "Traditional Kata" and the competitors did a faithful rendition of the JKA Unsu. With regard to the choice of kata, the WKF has a list of kata that may be performed. Only kata from this list can be performed in this event.
I train TKD for many years. This Karate Kata and demonstration were excellent. Loved this. I don't understand the belt system. This is Black Belt ability not blue belt or Red in TKD anyway.
duke613
Black and blue are only to signify judging teams.
Everyone is obviously has a higher dan ranking.
This is one of the more advanced katas
@@drunkinmaster1 Ok now that makes sense. Thanks.
Muito bom oss
6:10 wtf guys that's so awesome 😭👌😂
first time watching, so captivating
@@wootaekwon same !
Opinion about tul in tkd ITF?
As someone who does karate, we barely have any ground techniques like the roundhouse kicks on the floor.
Agree.
This was the Shotokan advanced Kata "Unsu". It gives a lot of points owing to its grade of difficulty and it is common for high-level competitions The other high level Shotokan katas that may occur in competitions is "Kanku-Sho" and sometimes the "Gojushiho-Sho" or the "Nijushiho". The other lineage of Karate styles like Goju-Ryu and Shito-Ryu perforn "Suparinpei" ( adopted by Shihan Nakayama and used in the Shotokan style after an adaptation with the name "Hyakuhachiho" ), and "Heiku" or "Paiku" or "Nipaipo" ( typical high-level Shito-Ryu katas ) with high affinity to the "White-Crane" Kung-Fu.
What TKD do you do, ITF, WTF, or ATA
From watching his videos, I think he specialises in ITF - if you look a videos of him sparring. Granted he looks like WTF, but he doesn't show the skill of full contact. So my assumption is he may do both, but is mainly trained in ITF in terms of sparring.
His poomsae I assume is WTF
They are applying the kata in combat situations in the end.
Tae Kwon Do borrowed 97 percent of their techniques from Shotokan Karate, as the histrory of Tae Kwon Do, the Koreran masters were all Japanese Karate Blackbelts and went back to Korea and started creating their own version of it called Tae Kwon Do.
When your taekwondo instructor been a black belt for 28 years 😳
mine is 7th deegre he did tk for 40 years
Try karate someday the taekwondo and karate are cool
Now that's how it's done boys and girls.
Modern Karate katas must also finish on the same point where they start start. This is nothing but great choreography.
All katas, modern or ancient, by definition, are choreographies intended to preserve techniques from a time video cameras are non existent. The fact that they end at the same spot is simply because they are better constructed choreographies.
@@regissudo I am commenting about the bunkai. It's too much of a choreography, no essence, no realism.
You should do a collab with karate dojo waku
한국분이 영어하시는거 들으니 기분이 묘하네요 ㅋㅋ 간간히 한국어도 들려오고
그리고 시합 때는 팀 구별을 위해 홍/청띠를 매는거랍니다
선수의 실제 띠 색깔과는 다르죠. 수련 레벨을 나타내는 빨간띠와 파란띠와는 색감이 좀 다르다고 알고 있어요
Being a taekwondo player i would say that karate kata is very difficult in campare to poomsae...ecoz i have practice poomsae and kata both....kata is full of small small steps of self defense whereas in poomsae though poomsae is also a root of self defense but..i dont think in reality poomsae self defense is not pretty good when we speak about kata...
I would conclude that kata players will easily do poomsae only side kick will the obstacles for them but it's sure poomsae player will need more rigorous practice to do kata...
Love for all martial arts..
Exactly 👍🙏
The amount of body control and the athleticism and the effort put in to reach this level is really admireable, yes! But please keep one thing in mind: the presentations being shown on such tournaments are made to impress others and to make a good show. Most of the moves shown here will not work in a real self defense situation. The real deal is far less spectacular. And thus the real meaning of a movement is rarely shown in a tournament.
Which style of karate is this? Uechi ryu?
Shotokan-ryu
This was a great day Italy took the title and beat Japan, the Italians where mind blowing great post.
4:23 is my favourite kick. Does it have a name?
There are three kicks (Keri) in quick succession at 4:23, so I will name all three in order. First is „mawashi-geri-Jodan keage“ (snapping roundhouse kick to head level), second is „ura-mawashi-geri jodan“ (reverse roundhouse kick to head level, „reverse“ because it turns and hits you from behind) and third is an „uchi ashi barai“ (inside leg sweep block) normally it comes from the outside. Hope this helps. For anyone telling me that the names are wrong, these are the names used in the Shotokan syllabus, if you learned them by another name, then that’s fine. Those are just the names I learned.
The Japan team made their Shotokan look real deadly
React to tekken video game character hwoarang
When you have Tae Kwan Do at schoo but you are senior white belt in Karate...
Don't forget, that was a very advanced kata. There are easier Kata to perform and that one, unsu, is an unusual style of kata. Got to say, the Japanese team kata there looked outstanding.
In my opinion, I'd prefer the main display viewer should display the "Kata", so that we can review the same footage as you, while you (as the reviewer) should be in the smaller "picture-in-picture" window.
Does taekwondo's poomsae have its own 'bunkai' in the tournament?
No they don't. It depends on the master that you are learning from. Some will teach application of the forms others do not. Therefore, many students of TKD will not understand what they are doing in their forms and will only fight Olympic style.
@@newworldlubbock Oh I see. IMHO, they should include the bunkai or any Taekwondo-equivalent terms of "bunkai" in poomsae tournaments. Not only would make it more competitive and challenging, it would also show and teach people how Taekwondo's poomsaes and its techniques work in self-defense matters (forgive my English by the way.)
@@figraa I totally agree! It would also give TKD practitioners a firm grasp of their art and not just kicking, which TKD has devolved into. There are awesome striking techniques and even grappling techniques in TKD poomse So yes, bunkai is definitely needed in TKD and more so than just the one step and three step sparring routines.
This is Shotokan kata Unsu (not freestyle). General Choi was a 2nd degree blackbelt in Shotokan and brought Shotokan to Korea after WW2 and it became part of Tae Kwon Do. In the 1980's Tae Kwon Do had the same katas as shotokan. Take a look at a woman doing Shito-ryu Karate kata th-cam.com/video/iiiznDpoapQ/w-d-xo.html
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I like unsu Kata because I know it
Karate Indonesia osh....
A guy says that kata is dance so he doesn't know anything about martial arts .. Shut up ... Kata unsu and its application ..
Vice Versa:
Karate Sensei React To Taekwondo Kata "Poomsae"!
th-cam.com/video/sIcNhFjYiFk/w-d-xo.html&app=desktop
Their Comment : We've always been interested in kata from taekwondo "Poomsae". Although we expected lots of kicks, there were surprisingly lots of similar arm techniques!
This is.real.karate
That 20 years makes my 6 years puny lol
Kata and Kumite.
react to mahiro takano
Maybe if you watch Shotokan Karate you will understand were the forms of Taekwondo came from. WTF are random forms made up from nothing.
will have a look! thanks for the suggestion!