I liked how in WotR you could just be a legendary human (or whatever you're playing lol). It may have not been "optimal", but it was fun to roleplay as someone that just said "nah; I'mma do my own thing".
Thematically, that seems to be sort of what the Eternal Legend mythic destiny represents. No external source of power, just a mortal who is so skilled they have surpassed normal limits. Also, the flavour in the WotR game was different because of the specific source of your mythic powers. That choice to decline them may not really make sense in other contexts where characters develop these powers on their own or from other sources. Mechanically, it would be hard to replicate exactly what owlcat's WotR game did for that path. It's essentially the dual class rules (but more than that even because it was actually giving you more levels, not just a form of dual class/gestalt rules). I'm not sure if the power level is at all comparable between the two in 2e because I've never used the dual class rules and the mythic rules are brand new.
if you're talking about the Owlcat Game, Legend was optimal for pretty much everything that doesn't cast spells. You started trickster for crit feats then took legend later on.
@@kattennan1299 dualclass rules in pf2e are... a mixed bag, if you double down on what you're already good at, the rules suggest bumping the encounter 1 difficulty higher iirc. If you're not doubling down, it's supposed to stay the same. It doesn't matter if you can cast fireball and swing a sword real hard if you can only do one or the other. (not doubling down), but if you swing that sword real good thanks to fighter accuracy and deal extra 16 damage( or whatever it is) from giant barbarian... now it's painful.
Yeah, Eternal Legend for Martials, Wildspell for Casters, and arguably Beast Lord are the "I just want to be Mortal+++" Mythic Destinies and I love them.
Interesting story idea with the archfiends abilities. Overarching BBEGs for a campaign is a group of archfiends that all made a bargain with one another before they all fully ascended, and the party has to navigate their way through all the devilish politicking to find a weakness to exploit as their fiendish cabal/pantheon are neigh unstoppable as long as the bargain forces cooperation between all parties.
Immortal Ruin: if I'm reading this correctly, it means not only do your enemies need to slay both you and your mount at the same time, but you both get access to the 4 Doomed conditioned feature. That is a total of 8 HP bars the enemy has to deplete before you can finally die!
Welcome to War of Immortals, where your character can become something far more powerful than just an average adventurer, such as: - Horseman of the Apocalypse - Minor god - Antifa Supersoldier
Godling is *perfect* for the character concept that's been floating around my head for ages for a cleric that wants to join the Prismatic Ray. Call her Sappho the way slender Shelyn has overcome her with longing for a girl. Except the girl _is_ slender Shelyn. And her girlfriends also. Anyways, I'd love to see even more Mythic Destinies! I wanna be an Archfey, or a Monitor, or an Elemental, or maybe something about carrying on the legacy of your great mentor (and the immortality feat would be that you have also trained a pupil and you'll get to literally live through them), the potential is endless!
Would love to see more mythic paths! I doubt we will for a while, but I want them. I'd love to see an undead and dragon option as well, but I really like your concept of the mentor. There's a lot of potential for interesting paths that carry your immortality in unique ways like that.
I'm going to become an archfiend, someone evil will make a profane bargain with me and every day I'm going to take 10 minutes out of my time to control them and have them become the kindest, sweetest person on the planet.
1 minute in and ive already heard the most exciting news about the entire war of immortals book: you can kill the horsemen of the apocalypse! i wanted to use this for a campaign ive been prepping only to discover that they dont exist in 2e. i am INSANELY hyped to find out they're being brought back
a lot of these destinies seem ripe for being used by GMs to create extremely powerful villains with robust and flavorful mechanics. Archfiend: They can't be killed through normal means, merely sent back to their lair, and then the party must follow them to their lair to finish the job
However these rules are for for use with mythic npcs. For example you encounter a small babe who's while village was cindered around it but it miraculously survived. Taking the time to save the child you slowly Karen that it can do things babies shouldn't, like blast holy beams to protect itself it levitate to avoid danger. Later on your learn this child is the reincarnation of a heavenly general who fell in the last demon incursion etc etc make up your uwn aged lore here. Hooks and past plots abound in these rules as a jumping off point for intrepid dms
This couldnt come at a better time. Im nearing the end of my current campaign. And half this time I've had a player asking if he could make a character whose concept is trying to become a god in the next campaign.
I worry that these destinies are too narrow or meaninglessly broad. I'm glad that they are supporting some niches builds like companions, but there is no trickster archetype, no non-holy/unholy outsiders and the wildspell and eternal legend seem like vague "everything else" buckets. I know that the coverage had to limit feats for time, but I hope there's a lot more or there's some serious need for homebrew. I'm currently disappointed in the mythic rules and had high hopes
The complete absence of evil options while things like the Broken Chain and Ascended Celestial exist makes me wonder if they're intentionally saving them for a later expansion. I can't imagine it didn't occur to them to make counterparts.
Only 3/9 of the options are purely holy or unholy, and while plenty of them gear more towards you being a more heroic and “good” aligned character almost none of them can’t be reworded in whatever direction you want. In addition, if you want to be a trickster, why not choose godling and choose trickery for your domain; there’s plenty of illusion spells and non-mythic archetype options to help fill out that character concept too.
@@triforceadm7345 I'll accept Apocalypse Rider, but Archfiend is so broad it barely counts. Unless the Rules Lawyer has dramatically undersold it, it seems to be intentionally flavourless. It's about dominion over your personal realm, not infernal power. It's the generic outsider like the legend is the generic martial and the wildspell is the generic spellcaster.
@@torifort717 I mean, being able to be the devil in a deal with the devil is pretty cool, but I understand thinking grouping practicallt all outsiders of the lower planes under one mythic destiny is pretty lame tbh.
Some thoughts from me: 5:42 Champion Auspicious Mount at 16. It was Celestial/Fiendish Mount at level 20 before. "If the earth was flat, cats would have already pushed everything off the edge." - so I totally see agent of the apocalypse from any Cat 11:05 Actually 5 times. As they reduce it by one round, then spend 1 round in it. 12:02 This is Rare pretty much because Wish is Rare. This does work well with your party. Pick "Aid me in ascending" or a similarly easy action and you basically are a 3 Action Wish dispenser. - could be a cool basis for a Campaign. A bunch of mythic characters all made bargains with their Archfiend ally, so now they can't oppose them directly. 31:47 That is similar to 10th Rank Power Word Kill. Which was also extremely "meh". It reliably removes level 16 fodder I guess. 32:50 "Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice." This is getting too much. I hace to split up my watching and comment.
Ascended Celestial with Radiant Armament from Champion is going to be bonkers with an Astral rune. Beastlord could include Summoners. Eternal Legend works well if you play a performer. Godling is perfect for the kobold with wyrmkin domain.
It should include summoners but it looks like it maybe doesn't. It seemed to require a mature animal companion or an advanced construct. I was kinda surprised it did not call out eidolons.
I'm curious about the implementation of ally mechanics like the hierophant and the knights. Is it supposed to be another PC? An NPC under the Leadership rules? The notion of a Devil Archfiend PC drawing power from the party's Godlings as their hierophant while holding their souls hostage in a convoluted web of pacts and contracts makes me giggle more than it should.
The Archfiend Destiny sounds amazing! Especially since there is no Unholy requirement anywhere. Meaning I can have a Grandeur Champion with all of these abilities and there wouldn't be any risk of losing favor with a deity.... I love that so much. !EDIT!: Okay, except for the level 20 feat. Obviously. **Sigh** Well, I guess I'll look at the Ascended Celestial instead. !EDIT, again!: Screw all of that, I want to make my character a GOD! MUAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
If it were up to me I'd change Archfiend to 'Realm Lord' and let you pick your flavour. You'd need to change very little for it to suit an Archfey ascension, for example.
Some more thoughts from me: 39:47 It will be table variation if that one gets around the "you can't use Hostile Actions against Y" limitations. I would err on it doing that, if for no other reason then Mythic. 40:31 that is a full heal. "Phoenix Blast". 41:28 You missed the "under the effects of a ongoing spell" part. Any "until next Daily Preparation" spell also works. Rank 1 Mystic Armor works. Long lasting Rituals work. In fact your _enemies_ lasting spells work. Spellsurge seems more of a Fallback. 52:00 Those reactions all have Concentrate. Raging Barbarian is sad. 53:40 That offers a hopeful interpretation for the Gap. Maybe Golarion was badly damaged and they moved it to a safe place, so Torag could seclude himself to fix it?
The ideas are all very cool, but feel like a huge list of gimmicks that are overpowered in the wrong hands. I don't think any cool power should work on similar beings, that will make up most of the party's enemies. But could be fun on mortal minions. I miss a small set of base modifications that should apply to all mythic beings, like a stepping stone. Perhaps as an add-on to lower levels, to deal with stuff minor demons and celestials have. This could bump npc's without making them full mythics. So define how a spellcaster can become a normal Lich, Mummy or Djinn before jumping ahead to demi-lich or god... Maybe have all extra stuff you get to an "outerplanar level" parallel to normal character level. This would only level with "mythic xp", perhaps needing to maintain and grow a following and favor to a greater immortal.
At 5:46 you mentioned feats not allowing for mounted flight. Wouldn't grafted wings to your already trusty mount be a viable option (especially if the wings were large enough to support reasonable passenger capabilities/warfare)? Barding, armor use, and flight training could be introduced to many mounts in a similar fashion as how a horse learns to accept commands and utilize barding. Just my thoughts.
I wanna go awakened animal to become the Midgard snake from the ragnarock tales. Thematically, that sounds a lot like riders of the apocalypse, however I have an inkling that mechanically it's not the best match... Which one would you use for that, mechanically?
The destinies are kind of comically off balancd to each other. Apocalypse Rider is downright terrible, but if you compare say Celestial to Archfiend the former is miles above in quality AND power.
If Imprison Foe is reduced by 1 round on a successful save, doesn't that mean 5 consecutive successful saves would let someone escape it? The duration still ticks down normally. It's situationally useful to isolate the most powerful foe in the encounter and deal with the lesser threats later, since it doesn't have [Incapacitation], but there's always the risk that whoever you use it on will just shrug and take that time to buff and heal. A lot of the time I think I'd prefer my opponent to succeed on the save and get Stunned 2 than to have it actually work!
Yeah if I said 10 rounds I misspoke On its effectiveness, taking a foe out and being able to focus fire on half the enemy is incredibly powerful. Two Low fights are much weaker than a single Severe fight It's why Wall of Stone is often seen as one of the strongest spells in the game
So what I think about when we speak of a Beast Lord is a dude looking like a tiny black dot on his gigantic village-sized Tarantula... But is that kind of scale possible ?
I'm kinda in the group who are disappointed at the power of the mythic rules. The whole point of Mythic, to me at least, is to allow characters to stand a chance with enemies/problems that they usually should have no business dealing with. In the Owlcat game, my favorite Mythic Path was the trickster. You broke the 4th wall and could warp reality to your will. You could summon a beer elemental or a cartoonish unicorn of death. Then there's the fact that the rules don't seem to be designed too well in certain areas. The whole Mythic calling being almost negated by the warp fate ability is a glaring issue. Then, there's the fact that they made the Apocalypse Rider its own Mythic Destiny, but relegated every other Fiend type to a single destiny that really just feels like an Archdevil playstyle. Each Mythic destiny besides the Apocalypse Rider is very generic in theme, and I just wish we got more specific ones. I'll have to wait and see what Mythic Monsters are all about before really getting into Mythic rules. In the Wrath of the Righteous AP, you fought a well established Demon Lord. Basically a demigod. As it is currently, a Nascent Demon Lord called Treerazer is statted out to be level 25. I'm not sure how handing a few abilities to a level 25 creature can make them have the power level of a Demon Lord. A creature like Deskari should be able to wipe the floor with Treerazer, and have absolutely no worry of losing a fight.
I can imagine most of those as NPC (helpful of even BBEG) for high-level campaign... I somehow struggle to imagine actual game with characters like that. It would feel like high level D&D 5E - and we already have that (and we don't like it very much).
somone on redidt pointed that mythic don't work with kineticis class I hope promised errata will fix this and kinetics because at this point they got no support
Prophesied Monarch (Like with many things in Pf2e) makes me think of Kaladin from Stormlight Archive. Leading your army of knights radiant? Soulforger Champion anyone?
ADDITIONS/ERRATA:
-52:18 I think the Mythic Striking rune should let you reroll a regular failure and not require a critical failure.
Holy Shit, the Archfiend has a literal Domain Expansion
Exactly my throughts xD
Level 20 Monk has an Izuna Drop; glad to see they're adding "anime BS" to 2nd edition!
Yep. I love all the anime stuff they sneak in.
*Unholy shit
That is exactly what I thought. XD
I liked how in WotR you could just be a legendary human (or whatever you're playing lol). It may have not been "optimal", but it was fun to roleplay as someone that just said "nah; I'mma do my own thing".
The Legend Mythic Path!
Thematically, that seems to be sort of what the Eternal Legend mythic destiny represents. No external source of power, just a mortal who is so skilled they have surpassed normal limits.
Also, the flavour in the WotR game was different because of the specific source of your mythic powers. That choice to decline them may not really make sense in other contexts where characters develop these powers on their own or from other sources.
Mechanically, it would be hard to replicate exactly what owlcat's WotR game did for that path. It's essentially the dual class rules (but more than that even because it was actually giving you more levels, not just a form of dual class/gestalt rules). I'm not sure if the power level is at all comparable between the two in 2e because I've never used the dual class rules and the mythic rules are brand new.
if you're talking about the Owlcat Game, Legend was optimal for pretty much everything that doesn't cast spells. You started trickster for crit feats then took legend later on.
@@kattennan1299 dualclass rules in pf2e are... a mixed bag, if you double down on what you're already good at, the rules suggest bumping the encounter 1 difficulty higher iirc. If you're not doubling down, it's supposed to stay the same. It doesn't matter if you can cast fireball and swing a sword real hard if you can only do one or the other. (not doubling down), but if you swing that sword real good thanks to fighter accuracy and deal extra 16 damage( or whatever it is) from giant barbarian... now it's painful.
Yeah, Eternal Legend for Martials, Wildspell for Casters, and arguably Beast Lord are the "I just want to be Mortal+++" Mythic Destinies and I love them.
Interesting story idea with the archfiends abilities. Overarching BBEGs for a campaign is a group of archfiends that all made a bargain with one another before they all fully ascended, and the party has to navigate their way through all the devilish politicking to find a weakness to exploit as their fiendish cabal/pantheon are neigh unstoppable as long as the bargain forces cooperation between all parties.
That is literally chainsawman lol
Immortal Ruin: if I'm reading this correctly, it means not only do your enemies need to slay both you and your mount at the same time, but you both get access to the 4 Doomed conditioned feature. That is a total of 8 HP bars the enemy has to deplete before you can finally die!
You only Stabilize, you don't heal above 0 HP.
That would just be ticking off your doomed counter.
Welcome to War of Immortals, where your character can become something far more powerful than just an average adventurer, such as:
- Horseman of the Apocalypse
- Minor god
- Antifa Supersoldier
Godling is *perfect* for the character concept that's been floating around my head for ages for a cleric that wants to join the Prismatic Ray. Call her Sappho the way slender Shelyn has overcome her with longing for a girl. Except the girl _is_ slender Shelyn. And her girlfriends also.
Anyways, I'd love to see even more Mythic Destinies! I wanna be an Archfey, or a Monitor, or an Elemental, or maybe something about carrying on the legacy of your great mentor (and the immortality feat would be that you have also trained a pupil and you'll get to literally live through them), the potential is endless!
Ascending to godhood from sheer sapphic yearning. I love it!
@@torifort717 Just like me frfr
Would love to see more mythic paths! I doubt we will for a while, but I want them. I'd love to see an undead and dragon option as well, but I really like your concept of the mentor. There's a lot of potential for interesting paths that carry your immortality in unique ways like that.
Archfiend out here hitting people with the "Domain Expansion"
I'm going to become an archfiend, someone evil will make a profane bargain with me and every day I'm going to take 10 minutes out of my time to control them and have them become the kindest, sweetest person on the planet.
Does that mean you are an Asura archfiend from an Evil god fault ? That is an awesome concept !
1 minute in and ive already heard the most exciting news about the entire war of immortals book: you can kill the horsemen of the apocalypse! i wanted to use this for a campaign ive been prepping only to discover that they dont exist in 2e. i am INSANELY hyped to find out they're being brought back
"grants the corpse a Speed of 60 feet" is not a sentence i expected to read today.
Meagan is a cat. She's already an Agent of the Apocalypse by definition.
a lot of these destinies seem ripe for being used by GMs to create extremely powerful villains with robust and flavorful mechanics.
Archfiend: They can't be killed through normal means, merely sent back to their lair, and then the party must follow them to their lair to finish the job
That's actually a thing archfiends could already do! Now players can get it as well :D
Yep. Mythic monsters likely have one or more of these feats
However these rules are for for use with mythic npcs. For example you encounter a small babe who's while village was cindered around it but it miraculously survived. Taking the time to save the child you slowly Karen that it can do things babies shouldn't, like blast holy beams to protect itself it levitate to avoid danger. Later on your learn this child is the reincarnation of a heavenly general who fell in the last demon incursion etc etc make up your uwn aged lore here. Hooks and past plots abound in these rules as a jumping off point for intrepid dms
@@jonathantifone8001 You slowly... Karen?
What exactly are you doing with that baby and its manager?
Realize, and another win for phone keyboard and poor editing habits. @@Llortnerof
This couldnt come at a better time. Im nearing the end of my current campaign. And half this time I've had a player asking if he could make a character whose concept is trying to become a god in the next campaign.
I. Am. So. Hyped by those new rules!
Literally just finished the first video. Great timing
it's a cat, of course she's an agent of the apocalypse!
No, she's an agent of the apurrcalypse.
I worry that these destinies are too narrow or meaninglessly broad. I'm glad that they are supporting some niches builds like companions, but there is no trickster archetype, no non-holy/unholy outsiders and the wildspell and eternal legend seem like vague "everything else" buckets. I know that the coverage had to limit feats for time, but I hope there's a lot more or there's some serious need for homebrew. I'm currently disappointed in the mythic rules and had high hopes
The complete absence of evil options while things like the Broken Chain and Ascended Celestial exist makes me wonder if they're intentionally saving them for a later expansion. I can't imagine it didn't occur to them to make counterparts.
@@torifort717Absence of evil options like Apocalypse Rider and Archfiend?
Only 3/9 of the options are purely holy or unholy, and while plenty of them gear more towards you being a more heroic and “good” aligned character almost none of them can’t be reworded in whatever direction you want. In addition, if you want to be a trickster, why not choose godling and choose trickery for your domain; there’s plenty of illusion spells and non-mythic archetype options to help fill out that character concept too.
@@triforceadm7345 I'll accept Apocalypse Rider, but Archfiend is so broad it barely counts. Unless the Rules Lawyer has dramatically undersold it, it seems to be intentionally flavourless. It's about dominion over your personal realm, not infernal power. It's the generic outsider like the legend is the generic martial and the wildspell is the generic spellcaster.
@@torifort717 I mean, being able to be the devil in a deal with the devil is pretty cool, but I understand thinking grouping practicallt all outsiders of the lower planes under one mythic destiny is pretty lame tbh.
Some thoughts from me:
5:42 Champion Auspicious Mount at 16. It was Celestial/Fiendish Mount at level 20 before.
"If the earth was flat, cats would have already pushed everything off the edge." - so I totally see agent of the apocalypse from any Cat
11:05 Actually 5 times. As they reduce it by one round, then spend 1 round in it.
12:02 This is Rare pretty much because Wish is Rare.
This does work well with your party. Pick "Aid me in ascending" or a similarly easy action and you basically are a 3 Action Wish dispenser.
- could be a cool basis for a Campaign. A bunch of mythic characters all made bargains with their Archfiend ally, so now they can't oppose them directly.
31:47 That is similar to 10th Rank Power Word Kill. Which was also extremely "meh". It reliably removes level 16 fodder I guess.
32:50 "Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice."
This is getting too much. I hace to split up my watching and comment.
I’ve been waiting for this video to drop obsessively 😅
The amount of times I have searched War of Inmortals on TH-cam is not something I'm proud of
These rules sound cool. Would work great with a Greco-Roman themed campaign which had these type of ascension stories.
Ascended Celestial with Radiant Armament from Champion is going to be bonkers with an Astral rune.
Beastlord could include Summoners.
Eternal Legend works well if you play a performer.
Godling is perfect for the kobold with wyrmkin domain.
It should include summoners but it looks like it maybe doesn't. It seemed to require a mature animal companion or an advanced construct. I was kinda surprised it did not call out eidolons.
Cats being an agent of the apocalypse sounds accurate. Bonus points if the cat is orange flavored.
Leaping hedgehog strike. Finally, i can play sonic the hedgehog.
26:00
Penance Stare!!!! Looks like I'm building a Ghost Rider next!
considering letting Prophesied monarch be used in my kingmaker game once they reach the level for it
Those are so cool, I wish there were slightly powerd down version that I could use in my non-mythic campaign
I'm curious about the implementation of ally mechanics like the hierophant and the knights. Is it supposed to be another PC? An NPC under the Leadership rules?
The notion of a Devil Archfiend PC drawing power from the party's Godlings as their hierophant while holding their souls hostage in a convoluted web of pacts and contracts makes me giggle more than it should.
The Archfiend Destiny sounds amazing! Especially since there is no Unholy requirement anywhere. Meaning I can have a Grandeur Champion with all of these abilities and there wouldn't be any risk of losing favor with a deity.... I love that so much.
!EDIT!: Okay, except for the level 20 feat. Obviously. **Sigh** Well, I guess I'll look at the Ascended Celestial instead.
!EDIT, again!: Screw all of that, I want to make my character a GOD! MUAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!
This was a story and a half.
If it were up to me I'd change Archfiend to 'Realm Lord' and let you pick your flavour. You'd need to change very little for it to suit an Archfey ascension, for example.
Some more thoughts from me:
39:47 It will be table variation if that one gets around the "you can't use Hostile Actions against Y" limitations.
I would err on it doing that, if for no other reason then Mythic.
40:31 that is a full heal. "Phoenix Blast".
41:28 You missed the "under the effects of a ongoing spell" part.
Any "until next Daily Preparation" spell also works.
Rank 1 Mystic Armor works.
Long lasting Rituals work.
In fact your _enemies_ lasting spells work.
Spellsurge seems more of a Fallback.
52:00 Those reactions all have Concentrate. Raging Barbarian is sad.
53:40 That offers a hopeful interpretation for the Gap. Maybe Golarion was badly damaged and they moved it to a safe place, so Torag could seclude himself to fix it?
Broken Chain gets Ghost Rider's Penance Stare, and that's amazing.
This is so hype! Thanks for making the content.
1:00:44 Wonder of U. The flow of things will always lead to calamity
becoming a prophesied monarch mythic to just rule over floor 1 of AV
“Look at me. I’m the Boss Skrawng now.”
City of sin kinda sounds like fantasy las vegas.
The ideas are all very cool, but feel like a huge list of gimmicks that are overpowered in the wrong hands. I don't think any cool power should work on similar beings, that will make up most of the party's enemies. But could be fun on mortal minions.
I miss a small set of base modifications that should apply to all mythic beings, like a stepping stone. Perhaps as an add-on to lower levels, to deal with stuff minor demons and celestials have. This could bump npc's without making them full mythics. So define how a spellcaster can become a normal Lich, Mummy or Djinn before jumping ahead to demi-lich or god...
Maybe have all extra stuff you get to an "outerplanar level" parallel to normal character level. This would only level with "mythic xp", perhaps needing to maintain and grow a following and favor to a greater immortal.
At 5:46 you mentioned feats not allowing for mounted flight. Wouldn't grafted wings to your already trusty mount be a viable option (especially if the wings were large enough to support reasonable passenger capabilities/warfare)? Barding, armor use, and flight training could be introduced to many mounts in a similar fashion as how a horse learns to accept commands and utilize barding. Just my thoughts.
I wanna go awakened animal to become the Midgard snake from the ragnarock tales. Thematically, that sounds a lot like riders of the apocalypse, however I have an inkling that mechanically it's not the best match... Which one would you use for that, mechanically?
The destinies are kind of comically off balancd to each other. Apocalypse Rider is downright terrible, but if you compare say Celestial to Archfiend the former is miles above in quality AND power.
All cats are agents of the apocalypse.
If Imprison Foe is reduced by 1 round on a successful save, doesn't that mean 5 consecutive successful saves would let someone escape it? The duration still ticks down normally. It's situationally useful to isolate the most powerful foe in the encounter and deal with the lesser threats later, since it doesn't have [Incapacitation], but there's always the risk that whoever you use it on will just shrug and take that time to buff and heal. A lot of the time I think I'd prefer my opponent to succeed on the save and get Stunned 2 than to have it actually work!
I'd probably rule that the target can't take actions until they escape.
Yeah if I said 10 rounds I misspoke
On its effectiveness, taking a foe out and being able to focus fire on half the enemy is incredibly powerful. Two Low fights are much weaker than a single Severe fight
It's why Wall of Stone is often seen as one of the strongest spells in the game
So what I think about when we speak of a Beast Lord is a dude looking like a tiny black dot on his gigantic village-sized Tarantula... But is that kind of scale possible ?
I'm kinda in the group who are disappointed at the power of the mythic rules.
The whole point of Mythic, to me at least, is to allow characters to stand a chance with enemies/problems that they usually should have no business dealing with.
In the Owlcat game, my favorite Mythic Path was the trickster. You broke the 4th wall and could warp reality to your will. You could summon a beer elemental or a cartoonish unicorn of death.
Then there's the fact that the rules don't seem to be designed too well in certain areas. The whole Mythic calling being almost negated by the warp fate ability is a glaring issue. Then, there's the fact that they made the Apocalypse Rider its own Mythic Destiny, but relegated every other Fiend type to a single destiny that really just feels like an Archdevil playstyle. Each Mythic destiny besides the Apocalypse Rider is very generic in theme, and I just wish we got more specific ones.
I'll have to wait and see what Mythic Monsters are all about before really getting into Mythic rules.
In the Wrath of the Righteous AP, you fought a well established Demon Lord. Basically a demigod. As it is currently, a Nascent Demon Lord called Treerazer is statted out to be level 25.
I'm not sure how handing a few abilities to a level 25 creature can make them have the power level of a Demon Lord. A creature like Deskari should be able to wipe the floor with Treerazer, and have absolutely no worry of losing a fight.
prophesied monarch...may have to make a King of Knights pc at some point
Would be too much to ask for using Eidolon for Apocalypse rider or beast master?
I can imagine most of those as NPC (helpful of even BBEG) for high-level campaign... I somehow struggle to imagine actual game with characters like that. It would feel like high level D&D 5E - and we already have that (and we don't like it very much).
somone on redidt pointed that mythic don't work with kineticis class
I hope promised errata will fix this and kinetics because at this point they got no support
I can play a Darksiders character?
Nice!
Wait... is my bae Serana becoming a God?
I am a god. How can you kill a god what a grand and intoxicating innocence.
They made litetall arthut and the knights of the round table
Prophesied Monarch (Like with many things in Pf2e) makes me think of Kaladin from Stormlight Archive. Leading your army of knights radiant?
Soulforger Champion anyone?
I'm going to have as much use for these rules as I did for Pathfinder 1 mythic rules. Zero. I'll have zero use.
I clicked subscribe and rang the bell - now i am no longer subscribed - you give terrible advice!
It really is peak paizo that the faggiest mythic path is the holiest and angelic. "I banish thee foul demon! POWER OF GAY!" *BLAM*