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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- Hi guys! Today I go over which Ascendancy is best for Armour Stacker!
At the end of the day they are all good imo and it really depends on what content you want to run.
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Keep in mind this is comparing stats at the highest level. Lower budget build variants will have different performance!
Ya, jugg is probably the best league starter because you can play boneshatter into chieftain version.
I believe that comparisons between ascendancies should be done purely by comparing the nodes the ascendancy offers as well as the starting position in the tree if you want to be truely as unbiased as possible. When bringing in characters on ninja to compare numbers, you introduce multiple biases, for example differing budgets and differing purposes for the character.
Comparing the top 10 chieftains vs the top 10 scions gives an unfair advantage to the chieftains simply because their budget is like 3-5x higher. There's also the problem that characters that appear at the top are skewed towards damage spec, and are not as well rounded.
A character that is currently farming exarch has no need for defences and only cares about damage. In this situation unbreakable is completely useless and aspect of carnage is the highest damage option even though in most other situations unbreakable is clearly the superior choice.(40% more damage vs 1000% more tankiness)
This leads to generalizations like "chieftains are 2x sword", or "jugg and champion are life based builds", or "scions have the most recovery and tankiness" to arise when that is not necessarily the case. All versions can go either life or ES. All versions can choose sword + shield or dual wield. Taking the fire res regen mastery would give even more recovery, and chieftains have an easier time utilizing that mastery than a scion would. Both Transcendence and Unbreakable are so incredibly resilient to hit damage that they are both functionally immortal to hits. What is most likely to kill these builds are DoT damage, not hit damage, and without a lot of compromise, transcendence characters are taking up to twice the dmg from elemental DoTs.
To me, an unbiased comparison would look something like this:
Scion:
-15% aura effect
-free intimidate
-extra damage from taunt
-free fortify
-lots of attack speed from necro
-better starting position on passive tree
Chieftain:
-free ancestral call
-free melding(without the downsides)
-up to 500 free cold and lightning res(unless playing standard)
-access to transcendence without the downsides
Obviously it is not easy to tell which is better just from that which is where comparing built characters will help. But these characters should be created in PoB with infinite(or equal) budget and with the same purpose in mind, rather than real in game characters which are subject to the limitations and situations of the players who have created them.
Yeap I agree here, this was made sorta quickly based on the data from league and what most people in league are doing.
Comparing ascendancy points is something I shoulda have done better too. Good breakdown here
thats becuase certain ascendancies are better at different budgets.
i agree when comparing raw ascendancies, the builds shouldnt matter ... BUT when talking about a general concept like "armour stacking" its important to look at WHY and a lot of the why comes from the builds themselves. the ninja builds tell me that ascendancy doesnt matter at the end of the day because each one can realistically do all content. so i just need to hear the why and that comes from knowledge of the builds to include what the "endgame" version of each build looks like. when you look at the builds they are pretty much as expensive as they can make them, these arent "budget" builds by any stretch of the imagination.
While comparing jugg and scion. Jugg gets %90 phys reduction , and %90 elemental reduction with %90 res and %90 chaos reduction with %75 res. So you end up with %90 phys %99 elemental, %97.5 chaos damage mitigated. I had around 4k hp and 1k regen on my pob.
Scion has %100 phys converted to ele with %90 res, and you go CI, so you end up with %99 phys/ele mitigation and %100 chaos mitigation. You have like 4k es and 1k regen.
Although we can clearly see scion is 10 times tankier to phys and infinitely tankier against chaos, does it matter? When you have that high number of phys/chaos mitigation, does it really matter when you have more? Shaper slam is the hardest hitting phys hit i can think of, and it hits for 13k damage, which you can tank in your sleep.
IMO; jugg build is way cheaper and about same tankiness compared to scion, while having less dps(which i think is fine). So i think Jugg variant should be up there in S tier.
I do agree that chieftain does everything better than jugg. But the body armor is quite hard to get (only available to mirror service), and having a dead node on my ascendancy (tawhoa's chosen) triggers me. Jugg has some QoL from unstoppable, some good regen from Untiring, so i think it will be my go to build next season. If ı can manage to get the chest i will probably switch to Cheiftain
Every single bit of optimizarion matters if you deep delve. At certain depths white mobs are essentially uber bosses
@@reyclorox Are you experienced with armour stacking? If so, do you mind if I ask what levels of deep we're talking? Will Jugg fall off in the 600's? The 2000's? 6000+? At what level does Scion stop being overkill?
Oh really
Thanks for your effort on this video!
You took ur time to compare
Many(at least hundred?) builds for this.
I would do chieftain because of this video.
Thanks a lot!!!
Hey great video! If only I had the divs or 1 on the market for grasping mail on xbox.. whts the best gem setup for smite ? Ty
Daddy I really like your vids and guides. Very good to follow even for an standard player like me. Any advice for crafting the smallcluster jewels for standard? May use legacy aura effect mediums as well? Im not so good with pob..stay sane
Im an armour stacker expert, for standard too. Try your best to fit in 9x 6 passive medium aura effect clusters and 3-5 of 3 passive small cluster efficiency jewels
Best way to craft them imo is to reforge lightning spam (Its tough), after that you swap the resistance from lightning to cold or fire.. After you make some clusters you can give fracturing orb a try (try to hit introspection or 35% effect). In my opinion you can make 4x clusters after that
I would say as i played Scion and Chieftain on hight budget , when i want more defence always go for scion and for more speed (ms and as) and dmg with less tankieness go for chieftain !
I play scion last league and jugg/chief this one, for me on budget jugg was better that scion only for the QOL, farming mb without care about the slows in simu was so fun, at top end chief feels the same as scion, when you have that kind of damage anything is trivial
I agree with everything said in video except that Chieftan is expensive to start of.
You basically stack fire (and some cold) res + Formless Flame helmet + Cold Incr. as Evasion Body from Grasping Mail and you're ready for T16 mapping easily
how do you go about achieving decent ES for CI on chieftan? do you eventually have to drop formless flame for an hubris?
You can ignore jodox. That guy has been snappshotting non functional grabage to top poe ninja for years
yes and did realy good, 1337 life for sure is impresive 😅
@@ArchDevilCro1337he did leet life and 420blazeit ES once
Jodox is REALLY GOOD Armor Stacker, what are you on about? People legit make names after him on their armor stackers...i personally talked with him this league and his build was very functional and legit and very high end aswell...you have no idea what you are talking about.
Hey there, i'm currently playing in std and i was wondering if there is a pob with no tattoos ?
Literally same PoB but no tattoos. You simply have less aura effect so it's all around a bit weaker. Not that it matters if your uber DPS was 5 mil up or down at that level. But when you are running three voices the tree is stretched so thin that you can hardly make any choices in the first place. Tattoos are just free power in exchange for stats you don't need.
On the budget LS watcher eye , what is the more important stat to get ? The ES with hit is 25D
Without ES on hit you have no good recovery, so you are much squishier than the raw stats make you believe.
A bit late to the party here but i just rebuilt my chieftain to smite armorstack cus walkingsimulator is so booring (3,23 fulcrum)
Can you build a chieftain with aegis like the scion? Or do you really need to go scion for that version?
Trying to make plans for 3.24 atm and i really want a armorstacker for endgame.
Yea you can use aegis on any ascendancy I think.
It's hard to say for 3.24 since we don't know how things will change but cheif is pretty good.
would love to make an armour stacker, but there isnt a single good attack move that isnt a bow move who can clear the screen.
Forgot to multiply champ damage by 6 for that 6 portal defense
Granted I don't know much about Armour stackers, but why Chieftain? His resistance conversion is actually OP for the build? I don't see any other reason to go for it as yo u can steal max res shenanigans from him.
One big benefit is the cold res you get for free from your fire res. This synergizes very well with a double overcap grasping mail.
Which assendercy is best for SSF (or group ssf 30 ppl private league) in your opinion?
Probably jug
@@Bigdaddytehpwnerereerr Why him? Just because he more tanky?
i am scared to find out what one shots an armour stacking champion
Anyway to make it work without mageblood?
I think the arrogance is linking to an aura it shouldn’t be on the champion build. I don’t think it’s EHP is that low. Looks off. (You can tell because the mana is off, they wouldn’t have 15% available)
40-70k is usually the max you get these builds without other damage mitigation systems.
While this is not exactly low, it's is a lot lower than what the other ascendancy have.
it doesnt look like "best" out of each Ascendancy, SebK has very good jugg, its S tier surely, and if take that set up to champ, would be S as well. Have to look at same invetment, not whats on top of ninja.
For high end unlimited power in standard there is only one answer: CI Scion
Edit: Im pretty sure Smite CANNOT double hit despite a big misconception. It was fixed by GGG explicitly mentioning Smite.
it was explicitly mentioned that it is a known "bug" and that they do not intend to fix it for now that was 3.20 patch notes.
"Smite currently has a case where an enemy can be hit by both the mele damage from an additional strike target, and the damage of the lightning bolt which is associated with your primary strike. [......] we do not currently have specific plans ro change it.
in other words: its not a bug, its a feature :)
@@CorrexPoE From 3.21 Sanctum: "Performs a melee attack, and causes lightning to strike a targeted location or nearby enemy, dealing damage in an area. Each target can only be hit once by this skill. Hitting an enemy grants an aura, giving you and your allies additional lightning damage for a duration. Requires a Sword, Axe, Mace, Sceptre, Staff or Unarmed."
Despite this i never managed to double hit a target even while actively trying and Lightning Strike is super easy to double hit even by accident. I suggest to everyone swapping to LS and uing smite as a buff.
@@billytheframe1355 the patchnotes (the part i left out with [...] mentions that even though they changed the description to say otherwise, it still can hit twice.
its really not that difficult to doubledip with smite if your scaling some aoe like i do. aura mastery 30% aoe, small nodes 12% and Brinkmanship does the job
@@CorrexPoE I looked for your quote but did not find it anywhere. To be honest just use Lightning Strike boosted by smite as a buff. As Lightning Strike just double hits naturally with +1 ancestor and it will be 2-3 times the damage of just Smite. No shenanigans like only works with 50% AoE requiement, no maybes it works 100% with LS.
berserker underrated :(
Chieftain: Movement speed: +200%
that's all you need to know on which one feels the best
chieftain is the best choice anyway if u want to min max your build
berserker +400%.
what ya say now
How do you get that movement of chieftain?
It's not cheif that has that movement speed... My scion can go up to 380% if I want.
You get it with mageblood silver flask and berserk. That will be around 200%. If you add quicksilver and phase run then 400% or so. (Quick maths)
@@Bigdaddytehpwnerereerr yeah and dont forget about alt quality phaserun on top - its what i used while delving, insane
I don't think smite can double hit with only one target nearby.. or who the fk will play ls lol