Proposed Doubling of Council Tax for 2nd Home Owners
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 เม.ย. 2023
- If you missed the Scottish News tonight it was talking about Elie and Earlsferry and the implications of the proposed doubling of council tax on 2nd homes. Managing Director Jim Parker was asked to comment alongside Angus Meldrum from Elie Watersports, Rachel Bucknall of The Ship Inn, Elie and Gordon MacRae of Shelter Scotland. Watch it here.
It's not the responsibility of second home owners to pay to house the extra 10 million people that have been let into the country......
Where did the 10 million come from?
@@FifePropertiesTV 500k this year alone in dingys across the channel. Many more illegals & legals of course, from third world countries. Go into any major inner city & you will be one of the few English speakers.......Enjoy.
@Lookup2Wakeup this only say 135,000 since 2018 www.migrationwatchuk.org/news/2023/02/09/detected-illegal-immigration-of-at-least-135000-since-january-2018
@@FifePropertiesTV The 10 million includes legal immigration of course. Every 6th person you meet at the doctor's or hospital or on the street was not born here.
@@Lookup2Wakeup why does that matter if they are being productive and paying taxes.
What a great idea...charge the 2nd homeowners more so that the council has more funding whilst driving £millions out of the local economy!
The council gets richer whilst the locals get poorer and even less likely to be able to afford to buy or rent
Good point
It's not the responsibility of second home owners to subsidies the poor .
They worked hard to get the second home an some council thinks easy double rates How about we double the
Tax on the over paid councilors
i can't disagree. lol
A lot of Scottish councils are just about to bring this idea of double council tax in now. This a confused mess of an idea. People who own second homes, that are lived in for less than 25 days a year will not have to pay the double or any increased council tax on their second home. So it wont make any difference to them, or push them to sell it, and make more homes available. Then there are people in other areas who do live in their second home more than 25 days a year, that might decide to sell there second home because of the increase. But it will still not make these homes more affordable to people trying to get on the property ladder. A lot of these properties are in areas where there are no jobs, and people dont wont move to them anyway. Its a muddled approach and really depends on where the second home is situated. It seems like some cash starved councils will just see this as a quick way of increasing their income.
Hello, i live in a national park area in England, second homes are 10 a penny round here. Local young people have no chance of buying a home. There should be no such thing as second homes, this does not go far enough. There are plenty of hotels for people to stay in, and nice ones at that.
So you would ban 2nd home ownership completely? What will happen to all the jobs that are sustained by 2nd home ownership? Those people would be unemployed.
@@FifePropertiesTV like 2 hour a week cleaners your having a laugh arnt you? As for property maintanence they will get the work anyway. They will be local tradesmen not friends of a friend, from outside the area.
@@christopherckarkson5605 your version of what happens in the East Neuk is not what happens. The 2nd homes are all managed by professional fulltime people that make a good income.
Why should people be penalised because they have a Holiday home..
Our thoughts exactly
I’d quadruple it, UK Scotland and Wales. The only reason it doesn’t happen is the number of MP’s, politicians and media mouths who have multiple homes.
It won't make a dent. If you've read the consultation paper on charging double council tax on 2nd Homes you'll realise this is political electioneering and a revenue generating exercise and will not make a dent in overall housing availability. Let me explain.
The total breakdown in Scotland of:
2nd Homes: 24,287 (0.9%)
Long-term Empty: 42.900 (1.6%)
Self Catering Accommodation: 18,290 (0.6%)
Out of total Houses in Scotland: 2,650,000 (100%)
Therefore even if you got all the long-term empty, 2nd Homes (tourism affected again) and Self catering accommodation (that's tourism destroyed and jobs lost) back you will only recover 85,477 (3.2%) in total. We need at least 25,000 a year built so this would account for about 3 years worth of stock.
However since 2010 we've only completed on average 18,000, which is a 73,500 shortfall.. So we would have caught up, but not really because recovering all these houses in reality will not happen.
We can all agree though that this is really about getting first time buyers and low income households into home ownership?
******So why is it since 2007 that the total number of social and affordable housing built per year in Scotland is 7,142 per year!!!!! FOR THE WHOLE OF SCOTLAND. *******
This is the number we need to focus on rather than blaming 2nd home, empty property and self catering owners. That is an appalling record. under the current government that's been in power all this time. The graph says it all.
The Scottish Government needs to stop blaming someone else and get on with building affordable and council housing or we will be in exactly the same position as now (probably worse)
If you own an empty second home why not pay double the council tax? One home is a necessity that some hard working people struggle to get, so a second home is a luxury. Just think of the higher rate as a luxury tax. If you don't want to pay it, rent it out, if you don't want to rent it out sell it. Nobody is forcing anyone to pay the higher rate. Someone who is happy with those terms can buy it. Or the council should buy it up at the going rate and use to provide affordable housing.
I can't disagree with the statement of it sitting empty when it could be housing someone.
But not cars? And what about empty commercial/office property. Our towns and cities are full , just look up. A good example is the centre of Cardiff. Beautiful buildings being exploited on the ground floor, empty on the second and vegetation growing out of the third. Councils should be interested in the front back and sides of these and until the number reduces refuse permission to build more .
You have a point
An outsiders point of view. This video is about the beautiful Fife coast but it could equally well be about Wales or Cornwall. The universal problem for anyone is where can you get a job that pays well enough for the local housing. People who are fortunate to have been born in nice areas think they have a special right to the local housing which is bought by richer outsiders. Maybe these people worked in places that weren't very pleasant for 40 years. Maybe they moved so they could get a job. Local people will persuade themselves that creating a two tier market is a matter of social justice but to me it just looks like a fortunate few trying to preserve their priviledges. Want a house? Go somewhere where you can get a job that pays well enough to afford the local housing. It probably won't be in one of the most attractive locations in the UK. Same goes for everybody.
The perfect economic example of supply and demand. The key is to build more social an affordable housing to support this industry as it brings in a huge amount of tax.
How about not being over reliant on tourism....? That is exactly the same as what has happened in Cornwall. Low wage seasonal economy, working long hours and often several jobs in season, but then struggling out of season, plus other business struggle that are not directly associated with tourism due to little availability of cash out of season. A transient workforce that stay in the area for a short while but then have to move away to get on.
Second home ownership has caused a lot of division.
There is no other main industry. However it's not a low wage economy there.
And with the changes to holiday lettings they will be paying business rates on multiple properties
The intention is to change them back to council tax from commercial rates
@@FifePropertiesTV the change in the legislation is to close the loophole as numerous people were advertising their second home on Airbnb to avoid council tax. From April they will have to provide evidence that the property is available a minimum of 140 days and actually let for 70 days per year. If a domestic dwelling is used for business purposes, in this case self catering holiday let, then it is taken out of council tax and brought into the rating list.
@@spokes1018 where does ot say that in the consultation as I've read it front to back?
@@FifePropertiesTV which consultation? I think we have our wires crossed a little. I'm specifically taking about the local government finance acts if a domestic property is used for commercial purposes it is rateable and is included in the non domestic rating list.
@@spokes1018 www.gov.scot/publications/consultation-council-tax-second-empty-homes-thresholds-non-domestic-rates/
Just build purpose houses for holiday homes, but that means councils having to spend money in steady of giving themselves pay rises
Controversial 🤣
Continued demonisation of second home owners will inevitably lead to a reduction in the housing pool. New build development relys on a portion of its homes being bought by individuals looking to receive a better return on investments whilst making quality accommodation available to rent. The SNP utopian dream of providing social housing for everyone makes it potentially the biggest second home owner in Scotland.
can't disagree with that statement.
How about halving it for those who don't own a home.
If you live in a home though you will use the same amenities as everyone else.
@@FifePropertiesTV Correct, how about we return to road tax paying for the upkeep of roads to better assist those services then. Instead of a pollution charge.
Ban double House owning all together 👍
Its not other peoples fault that you have no money. Man up.
So who will house the people that have no money to buy?
@@FifePropertiesTV Maybe you are someone who believes that everything should be provided for free off the state or that other people have to act as slaves for the benefit of people who can't fix their own lives. Why is this other peoples problem?
I agree ban it as long as politicians and the wealthy can have theirs.
Small private landlords can be banned.
Some people have an issue with others doing well and working hard yet they cant be arsed to take the same risks in life, but have no problem with the state screwing the people for everything they own. This is a home and land grab. Sort your head out man.
@@alanrobertson9790 I think you have confused my response to the other person on the thread. I'm one of the biggest private landlords in Scotland if not the UK.
maybe just limit this to long term empty houses?
What do you do when it's empty through no fault of your own. We have one that an upstairs neighbour refuses to fix his roof and it's making downstairs uninhabitable. The local authority is toothless even though they claim they can do something and the owner downstairs can't afford to pay for the upstairs neighbours roof.
@@FifePropertiesTV the devil really is in the details... but the politicians love those headlines
@@FifePropertiesTV Wouldn't a case where an upstairs property puts water into a property below cause a civil claim for damages? I was in a flat upstairs and in fixing the leak I spread much water into the flat below. Fortunately it was covered by block insurance but otherwise I would have been liable for the damages. Unsurprisingly the insurance company removed this category from their insurance!
@@alanrobertson9790 the insurers washed their hands of it after 4 years and it's still like this today. The local authority did the same. The law in theory works but in reality it doesn't.
@@FifePropertiesTV I suppose the problem is that suing someone with no money does not work especially as it costs money to do the suing. Still the man with the leaking roof owns the property, could it be repossessed by someone who could fix the roof?