I met Mitch Kupchak (the Lakers GM) the summer of 2016.. I worked for a chain storage company where he rented a unit. He was complaining to me about how his rent went up $12. I really wanted to tell him “maybe you should ask Deng for some money back” 😂
That Blazers rant was PERSONAL 😭. I never quit grasped how DETRIMENTAL 2016 was to the blazers. All that money to like KD or just better players would have been so much better
They matched the Nets’ awful contract for Allen Crabbe , but at least he, and Evan Turner played games for them. Festus Ezili was”injured the whole damn time.” Urinating tree
I think the problem was that a lot of teams cleared out cap because they convinced themselves they had a shot at KD. So they cleared out $30-$40 million and lost out on KD, so they went “well, we’ve got all this money. We have to use it on something.”
What I loved about all these horrible contracts is that they continued to float around the league for years, making for some really incredible voodoo math to make trades work.
Doc is a bum coach who's been coasting of one .500 season with a bad team and one championship with super team for years, honestly he could've done a lot worse then a mild case of nepotism
@@SnuggieMaple Doc is a bad coach and his career lives from the hype of the 08 championship, which he contributed almost nothing to. He has the most playoff blown leads in the NBA and is constantly criticized by his former players for not knowing how to adjust when his tactic of "Let's ride our best players to a win" fails. And yet, he was considered one of the top 15 coaches of all time. He's a fraud. What was unclear to you?
The Ibaka trade was actually even worse than yall made it sound for the Magic, because they gave up Sabonis and Vic and those pieces eventually turned into Haliburton for the Pacers, and Shai and JDub plus picks for the Thunder. Major yikes lol. Great video yall.
You guys can go even deeper on that Magic Thunder trade and basically say the Thunder traded Serge Ibaka for Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, 2021 first-round pick (became Tre Mann), 2022 first-round pick (became Jalen Williams), 2023 first-round pick (via Heat), , 2024 first-round draft pick, 2025 first-round pick swap, 2026 first-round pick. Sam Presti is a thief in the night
Love the back and forth banter 👍🙂👍 Maybe you guys can do a retrospective on: 1) Signing of Deandre Jordan (Mavs vs Clippers) 2) LeBron's The Decision 3) KD's signing and eventual falling out w/the Warriors 4) The Highs and Below The Belts of Draymond Green 5) 2010's Dirtiest Players Looking forward to your next one 💪💪
i remember listening to the starters podcast and they were talking about how all of the new tv money meant that these contracts were actually all perfectly acceptable and smart. i yelled bismack biyombo! at my radio and stopped listening not long after that.
This was like 3 years after that horrid trade with Boston they were a lolcow the phrase poverty franchise was invented for them specifically Anthony Bennett embodied the franchise at the time😂😂😂
the only notable thing anyone would remember from Bennetts time with the Nets is appearing on Shaqtin a Fool when he said "Don't watch us (the Nets) play this season"
That Horford signing was wild cause I remember there was a source off at the end where one guy was saying he was going to the Celtics and another guy said he was gonna go back to the Hawks with Dwight Genuinely super stressful but we got our guy in the end 🍀
I really think this offseason is not talked about enough. Role players were getting payed like future HOF’s and the funniest thing is that it wasn’t just two or three bad teams doing this it was literally everyone
As a Nets fan, love what we did in that offseason. We had no draft picks and just said "Fuck it" and just threw money at everyone just to screw with other teams.
Ironically KD could’ve formed his own super team with the thunder by them drafting sabonas and trading for oladipo. Adding that with kd and Westbrook and you got something special
Yeah, but steph, and prime draymond are def better than Russ and oladipo. By destroying the thunder KD joined a straight up unfair team and took out one of their best competitors. If he stayed in okc he would still have to beat the 73 win warriors.
As a heat fan, the Dwade one was just so stupid for absolutely no reason. They told the best player in franchise history, that's primarily responsible for them having 3 chips in the first place (LeBron ain't coming to Miami without Dwade) and one season removed from Dwade carrying the heat to the semi finals game 7 against the raptors without Bosh and with Whiteside playing like shit before missing the final four games anyway "fuck you, kick rocks, I'm not paying you more than Tyler Johnson nor even half of what we're offering Whiteside". Dude was never the highest paid player on the heat and Pat wouldn't even offer him 50 million when he just did the same for Tyler fucking Johnson.
A lot of these teams problems is that they committed players to such long deals, if they gave the kitchen sink to a role player for like 2 years they wouldn’t be crippled
"Is Dragan Bender still playing professional basketball in the world?" "No, pickup basketball on a high school court doesn't count." That back-and-forth response was hilarious.
Love that "IDK because doing Cocaine is Fun thats why" Line from Rayce xD Every Time I hear it Im laughing hard because its to true about Bazemore's Contract xDDDD
It deserves mentioning that NBA teams must pay at least 90 percent of the salary cap and the teams couldn't renegotiate with players under contracts so that in part explains why so many unworthy players got those contracts; teams had to spend the money.
Tbf with Bismack, toronto brought him in for defense, like dgaf about points just play defence. Im sure this dude broke rebounds and block records for raps in the playoffs too, him and JV on the board was a madness
people reduce this offseason to one move and going through it just shows how few teams were even competent less than ten years ago at this. the warriors and like 4 other teams did some good moves but using money because you have it is dumb.
In a sea of terribly bland TH-cam sports commentary channels, you guys provide something unique in the art direction and dual convo commentary. You guys will grow quite a bit this year for sure
94 million for chandler parsons for 3 games. That sucks When they could've paid tony Allen. Vince n z bo each 23 million for 3 years and had a lot of money to work with
yall gotta contextualize by mentioning the nba has a salary floor of 90% of the cap, sometime you just gotta give guys money to not get penalized, perfect example is this season w the rockets giving dildo bricks 20m/yr
Numbers don't really tell the whole story. Number 1, a clear downgrade on Al Horford at that point in his career. Not Dwight's fault, but still, counts against him. He also wasn't ever going to get a better fit at that point in his career with prime James Harden. The fact that the Rockets were so easily able to replace him with a young player like Clint Capela speaks volumes. Also, apparently he was such a delight in the locker room that the Hawks players were incredibly happy at the news of his departure. Trust me on this one, I'm a Pistons fan, and as many rebounds that Andre Drummond pulled down, the rest of his game never developed. The kind of center that Dwight was quickly were becoming role players instead of the focal point of a team, which is what he was paid like. Do not get me wrong, the Bazemore contract was more egregious, but it was a bad contract, and I will die on that hill.
I met Mitch Kupchak (the Lakers GM) the summer of 2016.. I worked for a chain storage company where he rented a unit. He was complaining to me about how his rent went up $12. I really wanted to tell him “maybe you should ask Deng for some money back” 😂
You should've. That woulda been LEGENDARY😂
$12? Guy needs to take a walk 😭
😂😂😂CLASSIC😂😂😂
Thats hilarious and at the same time, makes me furious. Goddamn cheapskate in the wrong places
@fishin4bass2002As a Hornets fan, that's just the Hornets, Horneting
Miami really played the LONG game by having DWade whisper in Jimmy’s ear in Chicago.
Pat Riley was playing 18-dimensional chess
“Thanks Mike” yall regretting that now ain’t you 😂😂😂😂
That Blazers rant was PERSONAL 😭. I never quit grasped how DETRIMENTAL 2016 was to the blazers. All that money to like KD or just better players would have been so much better
They matched the Nets’ awful contract for Allen Crabbe , but at least he, and Evan Turner played games for them. Festus Ezili was”injured the whole damn time.” Urinating tree
As kd would go to this shithole😂
New CBA demands teams use 90% of the salary cap - buckle up for this becoming standard.
I honestly don't understand why this was included
@@nanathegoat5106Oakland As
@@JC3_420Plus with upcoming expansion it allows more talent to be spread out
@@nanathegoat5106cause guess gotta spend it somewhere
It is SHOCKING that this channel doesn't have more subs. This is the most entertaining NBA channel I know.
I think the problem was that a lot of teams cleared out cap because they convinced themselves they had a shot at KD. So they cleared out $30-$40 million and lost out on KD, so they went “well, we’ve got all this money. We have to use it on something.”
The problem was every team suddenly had an extra 25mil per year to spend lol
@@ejiggleexactly and they had to spend it I think abs remember, really everyone knew damn well GSW was winning it all
@@ejigglefacts
What I loved about all these horrible contracts is that they continued to float around the league for years, making for some really incredible voodoo math to make trades work.
The FACT that Doc legit gave his son that contract is crazy 😳🤯
Doc is a bum coach who's been coasting of one .500 season with a bad team and one championship with super team for years, honestly he could've done a lot worse then a mild case of nepotism
@@frameddonut1056what
@@SnuggieMaple Doc is a bad coach and his career lives from the hype of the 08 championship, which he contributed almost nothing to. He has the most playoff blown leads in the NBA and is constantly criticized by his former players for not knowing how to adjust when his tactic of "Let's ride our best players to a win" fails. And yet, he was considered one of the top 15 coaches of all time. He's a fraud. What was unclear to you?
coaches dont make contracts
@@frameddonut1056 What was unclear to you 🤓
Thanking mike for Poop Henderson is crazy 💀
Remember, don't blame the players for accepting the money. Blame the teams that made the contracts.
Exactly never can blame a player for making money
@@Bigedub101 blame a player's AGENT for that too
The Ibaka trade was actually even worse than yall made it sound for the Magic, because they gave up Sabonis and Vic and those pieces eventually turned into Haliburton for the Pacers, and Shai and JDub plus picks for the Thunder. Major yikes lol. Great video yall.
You guys can go even deeper on that Magic Thunder trade and basically say the Thunder traded Serge Ibaka for Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, 2021 first-round pick (became Tre Mann), 2022 first-round pick (became Jalen Williams), 2023 first-round pick (via Heat), , 2024 first-round draft pick, 2025 first-round pick swap, 2026 first-round pick. Sam Presti is a thief in the night
Love the back and forth banter 👍🙂👍 Maybe you guys can do a retrospective on:
1) Signing of Deandre Jordan (Mavs vs Clippers) 2) LeBron's The Decision
3) KD's signing and eventual falling out w/the Warriors
4) The Highs and Below The Belts of Draymond Green
5) 2010's Dirtiest Players
Looking forward to your next one 💪💪
One of my fav parts of friday is getting out of work, hopping on the bus and listening to a new episode. Thanks for the great job guys
No wonder the finals were always Cavs-Warriors during this time. Tons of teams were making bonehead moves
Really love the content. I had a drought of not watching basketball youtubers for a bit but yall have got me back into it! Keep it up
I love me a 32 minute synthetic sports video
Love waking up in the morning and seeing a new video from my favorite boys
This channel deserves more subs and recognition
Another great damn episode boys. Way better than 99% of these contracts 😂😂
Eric Gordon is the winner of the 2016 offseason
nah coming home from work to a synthetic sports video is paradise
what a great video. you should make this a series. good job guys.
you guys are entertaining asf! keep it up
One of the best and most entertaining channels on TH-cam. Keep it guys, love the content.
Chandler Parsons is like top ten in the “most hated by Memphis” category for so many reasons.
The best duo on TH-cam
i remember listening to the starters podcast and they were talking about how all of the new tv money meant that these contracts were actually all perfectly acceptable and smart. i yelled bismack biyombo! at my radio and stopped listening not long after that.
Thanks!
Mike Conley was a franchise player and one of the most loved guys to ever play for the Grizzlies, he 100% deserved that insane over pay
17:47 nah we good with Brandon Miller 😂 even though I did want scoot on draft night
I look forward to these videos every Friday, absolutely love them.
There’s no way the nets thought the worst draft bust of all time was gonna do anything 😂
This was like 3 years after that horrid trade with Boston they were a lolcow the phrase poverty franchise was invented for them specifically Anthony Bennett embodied the franchise at the time😂😂😂
@@Mula_Musicfr
It was a vet min not like they threw a bag
the only notable thing anyone would remember from Bennetts time with the Nets is appearing on Shaqtin a Fool when he said "Don't watch us (the Nets) play this season"
I Saw your nonstop video 🔥🔥
The trend that seems to have happened is if you didn't completely fail the 2016 offseason,you did pretty good in the 7+ years following
aye real shit, this channel needs more love
That Horford signing was wild cause I remember there was a source off at the end where one guy was saying he was going to the Celtics and another guy said he was gonna go back to the Hawks with Dwight
Genuinely super stressful but we got our guy in the end 🍀
I love your videos, you guys are really entertaining
I really think this offseason is not talked about enough. Role players were getting payed like future HOF’s and the funniest thing is that it wasn’t just two or three bad teams doing this it was literally everyone
As a Nets fan, love what we did in that offseason. We had no draft picks and just said "Fuck it" and just threw money at everyone just to screw with other teams.
I respect the USDA Certified Grade A trolling.
Ironically KD could’ve formed his own super team with the thunder by them drafting sabonas and trading for oladipo. Adding that with kd and Westbrook and you got something special
Yeah, but steph, and prime draymond are def better than Russ and oladipo. By destroying the thunder KD joined a straight up unfair team and took out one of their best competitors. If he stayed in okc he would still have to beat the 73 win warriors.
As a heat fan, the Dwade one was just so stupid for absolutely no reason. They told the best player in franchise history, that's primarily responsible for them having 3 chips in the first place (LeBron ain't coming to Miami without Dwade) and one season removed from Dwade carrying the heat to the semi finals game 7 against the raptors without Bosh and with Whiteside playing like shit before missing the final four games anyway "fuck you, kick rocks, I'm not paying you more than Tyler Johnson nor even half of what we're offering Whiteside". Dude was never the highest paid player on the heat and Pat wouldn't even offer him 50 million when he just did the same for Tyler fucking Johnson.
A lot of these teams problems is that they committed players to such long deals, if they gave the kitchen sink to a role player for like 2 years they wouldn’t be crippled
This offseason is why I'm skeptical of some of the deals getting handed out now
FVF of Toronto was such a a big piece of that championship finals run
Luol Deng contract essentially funding the rise of the south sudan team is crazy
Man I love this channel 😂😂
I think they good with not having scoot 😂
Love the vids - thanks
"Is Dragan Bender still playing professional basketball in the world?"
"No, pickup basketball on a high school court doesn't count."
That back-and-forth response was hilarious.
Love that "IDK because doing Cocaine is Fun thats why" Line from Rayce xD Every Time I hear it Im laughing hard because its to true about Bazemore's Contract xDDDD
It deserves mentioning that NBA teams must pay at least 90 percent of the salary cap and the teams couldn't renegotiate with players under contracts so that in part explains why so many unworthy players got those contracts; teams had to spend the money.
Andre was a 15 RPG guy. That's worth a lot.
Jason Smith is actually still working for the Wizards, granted for the broadcast team instead.
I guess Washing was determined to make him earn that contract lol
We gonna look back at the summer of 2023 as the new summer of 2016
To this day, I watch this video for the Blazers rant😂😂😂😂😂
That hell no on the John Luer bit had me dying 😂
i love synthetic sports
The vitriol in you describing Portland's offseason lmao
This season might be worst look at these huge overpays and underpays 😬
Tbf with Bismack, toronto brought him in for defense, like dgaf about points just play defence. Im sure this dude broke rebounds and block records for raps in the playoffs too, him and JV on the board was a madness
love ur vids
That’s literally whats going on now with the new condition of teams must spend x amount of the cap, idk why they thought that was a good idea
30:33 made me spill my beer 😂😂 cmon y’all
Yo I was watching the video but had to pause to like the video and give a hell yeah to the Roy Hibbert video sumdae
These are soooo good!
A lot of these contracts should have been like 5 or 6 mil max for these role players
people reduce this offseason to one move and going through it just shows how few teams were even competent less than ten years ago at this. the warriors and like 4 other teams did some good moves but using money because you have it is dumb.
Saw ur big vic & feeling better?
Sergio Rodriguez, One year, WHAT?!?!? 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
How's Scoot working out over Miller now?
Scoot is in his rookie year. Give him time.
@@urbaindelva7869so is Brandon Miller
@@kyrinforpresidentSome do better than others.
The contracts of Batum, Noah and Mozgov (and even Deng too) all don't make sense whatsoever. I wish this was never replicated again. Please.
The salary inflation is real because I'm listening to these "bad contracts" and thinking "sure they're bad, but they're not that bad"
I actually liked mozgovs toughness. Definitely wasnt worth close to the money but he was serviceable when he played.
Cant wait to see the 2023 version
In a sea of terribly bland TH-cam sports commentary channels, you guys provide something unique in the art direction and dual convo commentary. You guys will grow quite a bit this year for sure
Lance Thomas was also named Knicks captain
That Batum contract is wicked
the Mike Conley trade was 100% worth it
Ian was the starter for the pacers the year before and drummond was an all-nba player I believe so yeahhh they were banking on potential
This video is great.
The sequel to this will be the 2023-24 season with all these role players getting paid $100M’s
94 million for chandler parsons for 3 games. That sucks When they could've paid tony Allen. Vince n z bo each 23 million for 3 years and had a lot of money to work with
IS THAT THE YEAR BATUM WAS A HORNET
DENG X MOZGOV WAS A LAKER
JOE JOHNSON BACKEND MONEY ?
IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL YEAR THAT YEAR
the nhl had the same thing happen around the same time
The... vinegar and anger in his voice about Portland offseason
TLDR: The warriors had the best off season of all time and everyone else ate shit.
6:52 Preach it!! 14:16
I remember the Evan Fournier contract well because of all the jokes about “don’t google his last name” going around (don’t do it btw)
Isn’t there like a salary cap floor? So some have to overpay to not be penalized
“And then they sign Loul Deng 4 yrs $72 million… Yeah because that’s how you replace Kobe…” it’s the laugh for me that comment 😂😂
I rmmeber thinking it was Kurt Thomas also 😂😂😂
Fournier and Vucevic got them to the playoffs. He had 5 years of scoring over 17 ppg. How is that bad for 17 mil a year please explain to me.
Respect yourself. In what universe is 85 mill good for Evan Fournier
@@Nahanoo When a player averaging 18 ppg has a salary that is not even in the top 50 ?
Pretty much every era.
yall gotta contextualize by mentioning the nba has a salary floor of 90% of the cap, sometime you just gotta give guys money to not get penalized, perfect example is this season w the rockets giving dildo bricks 20m/yr
I wish MJ would go like apprentice under Jerry West for a bit cuz I'd like to see Jordan win as an owner as well
The Urinating Tree effect has spread
How do you make those title screens at the start?
I STILL MISS MARCUS SMART
Me too brother :(
respect Jason Smith
I don’t think that Dwight contract was that bad. He had clearly regressed but he was still good enough for 70 million
Facts
Numbers don't really tell the whole story. Number 1, a clear downgrade on Al Horford at that point in his career. Not Dwight's fault, but still, counts against him. He also wasn't ever going to get a better fit at that point in his career with prime James Harden. The fact that the Rockets were so easily able to replace him with a young player like Clint Capela speaks volumes. Also, apparently he was such a delight in the locker room that the Hawks players were incredibly happy at the news of his departure. Trust me on this one, I'm a Pistons fan, and as many rebounds that Andre Drummond pulled down, the rest of his game never developed. The kind of center that Dwight was quickly were becoming role players instead of the focal point of a team, which is what he was paid like.
Do not get me wrong, the Bazemore contract was more egregious, but it was a bad contract, and I will die on that hill.