Those screw holes that were pre drilled on the transom should have been beveled, keeps stress cracks from starting on hard edges. Not trying to tell the man how,just a little installation note.
I've had them for two years on my 26 Stuart. Best upgrade I made to the boat. Set and forget. Wife loves using it. My boat does not have much bow rise .. but it is very much a round bottom boat and any major shift in weight from one side to the other will cause the boat to pitch over. Zip wake reacts very quickly to those situations and keeps the boat level. Which is the most important thing that I wanted addressed. I had them istalled locally in Miami and come out of Matheson. Good video!
Very nicely done video. Very thorough and informative. I am biased to Bennett Marine tabs. Had them on my last 3 or 4 boats over the years and almost zero problems. The only problem I had was one leaking cylinder and they took care of that at no charge way after the warranty was out. Great customer support, and the factory is right here in Pompano Beach. So I guess a price comparison and customer support comparison would be wise before making a decision. I was quite surprised with the fuel mileage. I would have thought with the tab going straight down like that that it would kill the mileage. That's about it. Thanks for the quality video. Cheers!
I've been in boats a long time as well, I thought the same thing based on the way the water was forced, more like a brake instead of a trim devise works. I'm still seeing the efficiency of these though not working as hard as tabs do. Your thoughts???
A big difference I noticed right away is there is no drilling holes with the Seakeeper Ride system. They grind the gel coat off then epoxy the Seakeeper system directly to the fiberglass. In my opinion the exposed bolts will have a corrosion problem in salt water over time. The algae growth is concerning also.
In the market for either these or the Seakeeper version. Exposed screws are no different than Bennett time tabs which have been around forever. Have you priced out the Ride system... it's for 7g'!!
Have them on my Vtech flats boat. They do a tremendous job keeping the bow down and getting up on plane much faster. My only complaint is that if I take a long, gradual turn they take a while to flatten out again once I straighten out since the system just thinks the boat is listing to one side. I didn’t know I could adjust the speed at which it corrects so I’ll try that! Maybe I should read the manual 😂
Just more stuff to go wrong on your boat. If you are worried about pitch, roll, truns, following sea and stability, just get a Stabicraft. Awesome boats, and there's no need for all of this stuff.
I think this device would be a perfect addition to flat bottom boats like the Carolina Skiffs. They tend to skip the stern across the water like a flat rock when making sharp turns at higher speeds. I’d be willing to bet this device would eliminate that skipping completely. I don’t believe all boats need this device just like the boat featured in this video but flatter bottom boats would greatly benefit from those tabs.
Hes refering to Seakeeper RIDE, not seakeeper gyro. I used to install zipwakes before i went into boat sales, and i do believe the Ride system is quicker to react. its newer tech, both techs are good though and better then autoglide tabs@@SuperJlonergan
What will they think of next? I can see how beneficial these would be on any boat when set on auto. I would say the larger and longer the boat the more beneficial these Zipwakes would be for the average boat angler. I would be interested in knowing the cost of these as to the normal trim tabs on most boats. That 29 Orion is a sick looking rig with the 300's!
like the interaction with boat but worry about loss of fuel efficiency. On an unbalanced boat for a long haul I think trim tab may be a better option??
All those holes without a securing nut and backplate inside of the hull. How do you propose to keep the sea life from fouling it from working for boats that are not trailed?
I'm trying to figure these Zipwakes out.. Are these better than traditional trim tabs? To me they create more drag vs the trim tabs. I have Bennet on my formular and they have been great! I'm curious what the advantage of ZipWakes, if there is any.. Wit the trim tabs the water glides nicely but with these I'm a bit confused - would love to compare fuel consumption / drag / speed loss for both..
Sorry, but can you please explain exactly how it lifts the bow up in following seas?!! How would it work through extending the interceptors in the water? It can only bring the bow down!
Didn't really bury the bow in the head on seas. Would have thought the boat would have run flatter than that. I like that about my tabs that I have now. Not sure this would be an upgrade.
it looks like you did have to make some transom modifications, seen when you switched to the starboard side installation of the backing plate. Can you explain what and why you did it?
Yea they completely skipped over that and it's by far the most labor intensive part of the installation. You need a flat surface to mount zipwakes to and the transom on this boat wasn't flat enough. So what you do is grind off the gelcoat and build up an epoxy platform that you then fair to create the flat mounting surface.
I would like to see a thorough fluid dynamics analysis comparing Zipwakes with conventional tabs. Marketing wank is everywhere these days and I am sceptical about the claims made about interceptor types vs. conventional tabs.
NOT a FAN In the kind of conditions we go out in, I find it quite dangerous in the rough! Its fine for headseas, can be dangerous in heavy beam seas, and its a disaster in quartering/following seas. I have the engine dialed in spot on for planning, so I feel the auto function makes me dig in rather than helping me to get on plane!. Most of the impressive reviews, with zipwakes correcting the pitch didn't apply to me. I use it manually sometimes in headseas, keep the auto off, as I feel like it overreacts with sudden shift in weight while underway. There is only auto both trim and roll, and auto trim only.. I love to keep control of the nose in heavy following seas, and I could use the auto roll only mode as I'm going underway in not super bad conditions. So really I hate it for the price I paid for it and the lack I use I get out of it.. Happy for other owners to let me of their experience with quartering seas, beam seas, and following seas in general.
There is no specific setting for Cats. We have had great success with Cat configurations to date due to our large range of interceptors and ability to mount them close to propellers. Freeman is using Zipwake standard on all most all models currently.
@@CenterConsolesOnly let me know if you want to take a ride and do a video on the famose Onslow Bay 27, I have one and I live in Miami. I'd be very curious to see how it rides compared to the Orion.
8:30 ... I suppose the 'simple' installation wouldn't have been so simple had you shown the leveling of the stern with epoxy. it would have been nice to show that process, and tell people how long it took (days at the least, weeks at the most).
it hurt me soooooo much when he was drilling the holes and not being careful at all! But the product is good I just would let that guy install it or at least drill the holes lol
Nobody even mentioned about how much they cost, must cost alot ? don't want to hear the crap if you got to ask how much it costs you shouldn't own a boat, lots of people can afford boats but like to know the price of toys !
I was thinking this was for causing some kind of improvement in the wake for trolling… obviously not the case. To me, this looks like an expensive weight adding power robbing DRAG INDUCING device that would decrease your mileage - made for boats that weren’t designed to run right to begin with. I completely understand the concept, but it sure seems like tabs would cause far less drag. How about key on to key off mileage numbers with and without…. No offense to the manufacturer - plenty of boats out there that run like shit and need help…
What could possibly go wrong with fancy electronics and salt water? Were the Bennett Trim tabs really that complicated for some one to learn in less than 5 minutes?
Without doubt, the best video by a mile on this tech. I shall be fitting the system to my boat.
Those screw holes that were pre drilled on the transom should have been beveled, keeps stress cracks from starting on hard edges. Not trying to tell the man how,just a little installation note.
The Orion looks so balanced. Really impressed.
I've had them for two years on my 26 Stuart. Best upgrade I made to the boat. Set and forget. Wife loves using it. My boat does not have much bow rise .. but it is very much a round bottom boat and any major shift in weight from one side to the other will cause the boat to pitch over. Zip wake reacts very quickly to those situations and keeps the boat level. Which is the most important thing that I wanted addressed. I had them istalled locally in Miami and come out of Matheson. Good video!
Thank you for the great review!
Very nicely done video. Very thorough and informative. I am biased to Bennett Marine tabs. Had them on my last 3 or 4 boats over the years and almost zero problems. The only problem I had was one leaking cylinder and they took care of that at no charge way after the warranty was out. Great customer support, and the factory is right here in Pompano Beach. So I guess a price comparison and customer support comparison would be wise before making a decision. I was quite surprised with the fuel mileage. I would have thought with the tab going straight down like that that it would kill the mileage. That's about it. Thanks for the quality video. Cheers!
I've been in boats a long time as well, I thought the same thing based on the way the water was forced, more like a brake instead of a trim devise works. I'm still seeing the efficiency of these though not working as hard as tabs do. Your thoughts???
A big difference I noticed right away is there is no drilling holes with the Seakeeper Ride system. They grind the gel coat off then epoxy the Seakeeper system directly to the fiberglass. In my opinion the exposed bolts will have a corrosion problem in salt water over time. The algae growth is concerning also.
In the market for either these or the Seakeeper version. Exposed screws are no different than Bennett time tabs which have been around forever. Have you priced out the Ride system... it's for 7g'!!
Garage they are absolutely true
I just love that video you posted
the 360 degree turn looks easy one boat length tighter. it also looked more stable and faster.
It really was. That impressed us!
Have them on my Vtech flats boat. They do a tremendous job keeping the bow down and getting up on plane much faster. My only complaint is that if I take a long, gradual turn they take a while to flatten out again once I straighten out since the system just thinks the boat is listing to one side. I didn’t know I could adjust the speed at which it corrects so I’ll try that! Maybe I should read the manual 😂
Same as trim tabs with more features I guess. Still love my Lencos
Just more stuff to go wrong on your boat. If you are worried about pitch, roll, truns, following sea and stability, just get a Stabicraft. Awesome boats, and there's no need for all of this stuff.
I think this device would be a perfect addition to flat bottom boats like the Carolina Skiffs. They tend to skip the stern across the water like a flat rock when making sharp turns at higher speeds. I’d be willing to bet this device would eliminate that skipping completely. I don’t believe all boats need this device just like the boat featured in this video but flatter bottom boats would greatly benefit from those tabs.
so what is the final decision? seakeeper ride or zipwake?
Id love to see a comparison between these and the Seakeeper Ride system.
id bet that the seakeeper is more efficientthis does all its work based on drag, creating more drag
We’ll try to make it happen
Hes refering to Seakeeper RIDE, not seakeeper gyro. I used to install zipwakes before i went into boat sales, and i do believe the Ride system is quicker to react. its newer tech, both techs are good though and better then autoglide tabs@@SuperJlonergan
I dont even own a boat...but that is an awesome product
What will they think of next? I can see how beneficial these would be on any boat when set on auto. I would say the larger and longer the boat the more beneficial these Zipwakes would be for the average boat angler. I would be interested in knowing the cost of these as to the normal trim tabs on most boats. That 29 Orion is a sick looking rig with the 300's!
Hudson river would rip these off with all the floating wood.
Little aggressive drilling that fiberglass. Should countersink the hole so the screws don’t start cracks in the gel coat when tightened.
like the interaction with boat but worry about loss of fuel efficiency. On an unbalanced boat for a long haul I think trim tab may be a better option??
I would like to know the difference between zipwakes and the sea keeper ride system.
We are looking to do a comparison on both soon!
All those holes without a securing nut and backplate inside of the hull. How do you propose to keep the sea life from fouling it from working for boats that are not trailed?
does that put additional stress on the engines when running multiple outboards?
If you loose steering, what keeps engines straight when powering up on plane, so a little drag on one side or the other will turn boat?
What is price difference compared to seakeeper ? Technical differences ?
I'm trying to figure these Zipwakes out.. Are these better than traditional trim tabs? To me they create more drag vs the trim tabs. I have Bennet on my formular and they have been great! I'm curious what the advantage of ZipWakes, if there is any.. Wit the trim tabs the water glides nicely but with these I'm a bit confused - would love to compare fuel consumption / drag / speed loss for both..
Absolutely.💯
Sorry, but can you please explain exactly how it lifts the bow up in following seas?!! How would it work through extending the interceptors in the water? It can only bring the bow down!
Zipwake or the seakeeper i have a 24ft CC which is better thanks
Soon every boater can enjoy the benefits of this technology due to advancements.
nice,,, now what happens when you trim your motors up? does it keep trying to push the bow down and you have to manual override it ?
You do have a manual override that is adjustable.
How much do these cost? What would you expect for installation?
looked like a balsa or plywood core transom. did they ever hear about de coring and filling holes with epoxy.. when the sealant fails..wet core.
Didn't really bury the bow in the head on seas. Would have thought the boat would have run flatter than that. I like that about my tabs that I have now. Not sure this would be an upgrade.
I’m over minutes into the video and other than guessing based on the name, I still haven’t been told exactly what this product does and why I need it.
Not hard to figure put. It's the same as trim tabs just perhaps better.
Volvo made these before right?
Your boat doesn't have trim tabs? Are these for boats without trim tabs?
These are a trim tab alternative.
it looks like you did have to make some transom modifications, seen when you switched to the starboard side installation of the backing plate. Can you explain what and why you did it?
yup, somewhat major mod
Yea they completely skipped over that and it's by far the most labor intensive part of the installation. You need a flat surface to mount zipwakes to and the transom on this boat wasn't flat enough. So what you do is grind off the gelcoat and build up an epoxy platform that you then fair to create the flat mounting surface.
How do the interceptors actually lift the bow? I understand that when they are extended they cause the bow to drop but how son they do the opposite ?
@@allansalzman1072 they don't lift the bow.
What brand torque wrench is that?
I would like to see a thorough fluid dynamics analysis comparing Zipwakes with conventional tabs. Marketing wank is everywhere these days and I am sceptical about the claims made about interceptor types vs. conventional tabs.
Man think that dude over tightened them screws lol
I have zipwake 400 on Merry Fisher 725 and im not happy with them..
Why are you not happy with them?
NOT a FAN
In the kind of conditions we go out in, I find it quite dangerous in the rough! Its fine for headseas, can be dangerous in heavy beam seas, and its a disaster in quartering/following seas. I have the engine dialed in spot on for planning, so I feel the auto function makes me dig in rather than helping me to get on plane!. Most of the impressive reviews, with zipwakes correcting the pitch didn't apply to me. I use it manually sometimes in headseas, keep the auto off, as I feel like it overreacts with sudden shift in weight while underway. There is only auto both trim and roll, and auto trim only.. I love to keep control of the nose in heavy following seas, and I could use the auto roll only mode as I'm going underway in not super bad conditions. So really I hate it for the price I paid for it and the lack I use I get out of it.. Happy for other owners to let me of their experience with quartering seas, beam seas, and following seas in general.
Do zip wakes have specific setting for cats? I know people complain because of the way certain cats turn compared to monohulls.
There is no specific setting for Cats. We have had great success with Cat configurations to date due to our large range of interceptors and ability to mount them close to propellers. Freeman is using Zipwake standard on all most all models currently.
How are you liking your Orian? What size is it?
We love it perfect size boat for us.
@@CenterConsolesOnly let me know if you want to take a ride and do a video on the famose Onslow Bay 27, I have one and I live in Miami. I'd be very curious to see how it rides compared to the Orion.
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8:30 ... I suppose the 'simple' installation wouldn't have been so simple had you shown the leveling of the stern with epoxy. it would have been nice to show that process, and tell people how long it took (days at the least, weeks at the most).
it hurt me soooooo much when he was drilling the holes and not being careful at all! But the product is good I just would let that guy install it or at least drill the holes lol
Doesn't look like it will last very long. Looking at the design vibration will shake the unit apart or cause your transoms to crack.
Zipwake has delivered 45,000 systems to the commercial and recreational markets with great success.
Bored me to death before they even explained what the product was...
Nobody even mentioned about how much they cost, must cost alot ? don't want to hear the crap if you got to ask how much it costs you shouldn't own a boat, lots of people can afford boats but like to know the price of toys !
I was thinking this was for causing some kind of improvement in the wake for trolling… obviously not the case. To me, this looks like an expensive weight adding power robbing DRAG INDUCING device that would decrease your mileage - made for boats that weren’t designed to run right to begin with. I completely understand the concept, but it sure seems like tabs would cause far less drag. How about key on to key off mileage numbers with and without…. No offense to the manufacturer - plenty of boats out there that run like shit and need help…
spot on
Junk !! Along with a the crap that everyone puts on a boat !! 😂😂😂😂
Which model Zipwake do you have on your boat?
What could possibly go wrong with fancy electronics and salt water? Were the Bennett Trim tabs really that complicated for some one to learn in less than 5 minutes?
Bennet tabs don't offer auto roll control like the Zipwakes. But if you'd spent 5 minutes reading about Zipwakes you'd know that
Oh yes I know it and no one around here is putting those gay ass things on their boat. @@s.dawson2490
Zipwakes are absolute garbage... replacement parts take months to fix junk..
Tell me more? Junk why/how
Looks like another gimmick to me