I experienced exactly the same! I've recently tried ISM PR 1.0, PS 1.1 and PN 3.1, each for 2-3x 40 km ride with adjusting saddle possition and, after a month, I'm so happy to be back on my old Selle Italia SLR Boost TM Superflow saddle which, I thought, was not comfortable enough :)
yeah know what you mean, the old uncomfortable power saddle that I used to think was bad, is now great!! still I'm trialling a new saddle that is probably the best I've ever had...
@@KyrosHouseCycling can I ask how you got on and what saddle it was please ? Currently looking into ones for my road bike and I to have the power saddle that hurts my sit bones after sometime
@@odmods I’ve actually chosen the infinity seat, I have two of them. The one with the cut out and the one that is covered. I moved from the power saddle too. 👍
@@KyrosHouseCycling thanks for the response , seem hard to come by over in the UK , I seen your other clips on these saddles keep up the great contents
After 30 years of mtn biking here in the States, I developed Cyclists Syndrome, out of the clear blue. The specials said it was definitely due to saddle pressure and those experiences of numb - knobbery were hints it was coming. Now, I have tried every saddle on the market. Wish I’d gone totally noseless years ago. Would have saved me from excruciating pain over the last two years. I could write a dissertation on stupid saddles, unfortunately.
Well saddles are definately a very specific subject and everyone is different, but saying that I'm glad you found a saddle that fits you properly, many people unfortunately never find one or just give up because its too painful etc...
I'm about to replace my elderly Typhoon (PR 3.0). The cover is deteriorating on it. It's seen me through some tough times, over every stage of the 2018 Tour de France - one day ahead of the race itself (@stevestdf) and currently resides on my gravel bike where aggressive aero positioning is not so paramount as comfort over time and rough ground. I have Road ISM Adamos on other bikes, one of which has carried me on an Everesting in 2017 without any saddle or perineal problems. I have a Prologue on my track bike. My sons ride with them too. My change from a traditional style saddle started when I recalled doing a very long Sportif in the French Alps (l'étape du tour) and getting perineal numbness - that lasted 3 days. It is critically important to get the height, rotation/centering and level of the saddle correct to begin with in the garage, then work on the fore-aft position during the ride. The saddle off-loads weight that may previously have been taken through the perineum (soft middle bits) on other saddles, so there is more weight bearing done on the ischial tuberosities- or sit-bones. This can initially be more noticeable. Going out with an allen key and riding specifically to tune the position of the saddle is important. I would not go back to normal saddles out of choice. Your preferred choice of the PR 3.0 suggests to me that your riding position might be more upright. In my experience, PN-style and less padded saddles may work much better for those with a more aggressive, aero position.
Wow that’s a really interesting read! My problem in general isn’t numbness just a pain on my sitbone but only on one side. I did find I went numb on the ISM’s a few times. But I just didn’t feel they were for me, I’ve since moved to an infinity seat and these seem much better for me. Thanks for the comment it was very informative. 👍
Took me a good 10 hours of riding to condition my taint to take the new saddle position but now I'm loving it. I have the PN 3.0 on my road bike and it allows me to fully rotate my pelvis to hold an aero hoods position for longer. I'm literally riding guys off my wheel since I can get so aero now. I'm pushing 300 watts while less aero guys in my draft need to push 350+. They are big mad.
I’m glad you like the seat, they are such a personal thing as everyone’s bodies are different, I do like the shape to be honest just wasn’t for me back then, now I’ve sorted my short leg and offset riding position I may try them again one day, but I’m comfortable in my riding position atm. 👍
I feel your pain! After years on Selle Italia saddles I found due to back problems I no longer felt right on them, pain after 40-50 miles, after trying loads of different brands I gave up and asked at my local Evans cycles shop, they recommend the Specialized Power and I had 30 days to return it if it didn't suit. It was instant relief for me and I've got them on all my bikes now. Hope you get fixed up soon.
Pete Moore yeah I’m using my power saddle again, for some reason it’s more comfortable than before I tried the ISM ones... maybe just luck I got it exactly right for me this time. 👍
I will add that I use mine with a 4° downward tilt, seems to be better for me like that, I use a phone app for setting it, using my phone from sit bone to nose position.
Hi, thanks for that review. I won't be wasting my time and money on a PN3.1 or any other ISM saddle, so its back to the Selle Italia Novus endurance for me for the time being.
Floydie yeah, I didn’t find them at all comfortable, I have another saddle from the USA to test next week, it just arrived today. I do know of some people at work that swear by ISM saddles... just not for me it seems. 👍
Saddles are a big problem. I managed to stay on my taint smashing Giant saddle for 1 year+ after exrcutiating pain even off the bike on my genital area. I decided to try a Selle Italia Novus Boost Evo. It is definetely way better than the previous one but still is painful as hell. To be honest i just wanna abandon cycling.I waste money and i just feel pain. Maybe i should try ISM ones. Though i know you must ride at least a full week to see if a saddle works for you.
Yeah I know saddles can be a right pain… literally. It’s trial and error it seems, what works for me may not work for you. It’s really sad that you feel you have to give up, I’m riding infinity seat now. 👍
I use a PS 1.1 on my TT bike and find it absolutely perfect while in the aero bars. I feel locked into my position. Been thinking about replacing my current road bike saddle with an ISM, but I cannot figure out which one to get. I know the PS 1.1 will not work with my riding position on my road bike, because of the hump. Which one of the saddles that you tested was the flattest?
Have you had a good bike fit? These seats tend to be a bit higher too - I only heard you talking about going up, but perhaps you're actually too high? Do you know your sit bone width? I used to use the Prologue and when it went to PN I could not get comfortable anymore. It can be so tricky.
I did have a bike fit previous to me testing these. I may have been too high, but at the time I actually lowered the seat post to account for the high gap between the rail and the seat. I now have a great saddle… the infinity seat. 👍
The same way I can give my opinion on if my new shoes fit or if my jeans are too loose or if I like a certain car brand. It’s just my opinion and it may differ from yours. 👍
Hey mate, no its not ready yet, they are having an issue with the paint process so I'm told... All will be revealed as soon as I'm allowed to post about it.
thank you very much for your review.. i'm looking at buying the PR 3.0 i have a "contoura al-6" (google it and you'll see the seating position).. i contacted the seller and he also told me that would be the better saddle for you. i bought my new bike but i cant ride it for more then 30min without feeling numb.. i have always had saddle problems.. hoping this will help i want so much to ride but the pain is stopping me..price for the PR3.0 is 140 euro here in The Netherlands.
Yeah the PR series was good, but I love my infinity seat now, hopefully you’ll find the answer, it’s not great to be in agony every time you ride a bike as it really puts you off. 👍
Hi, great video! How different is the PS 1.1 vs PR 1 or 3 and was there a reason you didn't try 2.0? I plan to ride Olympic triathlons and do most of my training on zwift. With the lighter padding from tri shorts, debating on getting the PR vs PS. I am demoing the PS1.1 right now and loving it. No more numb nuts!
Hello! the PR and PS are very similar to be honest, they were the better ones out of the selection, but I liked the PR range the best out of them all. I didn't try the 2.0 because it wasn't available when I ordered the saddles. I just didn't get on with them...A bit off subject but I've been trialing an infinity seat. I've made an unboxing video and a review which is ready for release soon, the seat is used by lots of tri riders. maybe worth a look?
I didn’t mean I was sitting on the split nose, I meant I was rotated onto the split nose, my sit bones were quite far back on the fat part of the saddle. I suppose just not the right saddle for me. As you know saddles are so specific to the user. But thanks for pointing out my mistake. Sorry about that. 👍
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got PS1.1.: too wide at front and dubious build quality... don't recommend
I experienced exactly the same! I've recently tried ISM PR 1.0, PS 1.1 and PN 3.1, each for 2-3x 40 km ride with adjusting saddle possition and, after a month, I'm so happy to be back on my old Selle Italia SLR Boost TM Superflow saddle which, I thought, was not comfortable enough :)
yeah know what you mean, the old uncomfortable power saddle that I used to think was bad, is now great!! still I'm trialling a new saddle that is probably the best I've ever had...
@@KyrosHouseCycling can I ask how you got on and what saddle it was please ? Currently looking into ones for my road bike and I to have the power saddle that hurts my sit bones after sometime
@@odmods I’ve actually chosen the infinity seat, I have two of them. The one with the cut out and the one that is covered. I moved from the power saddle too. 👍
@@KyrosHouseCycling thanks for the response , seem hard to come by over in the UK , I seen your other clips on these saddles keep up the great contents
After 30 years of mtn biking here in the States, I developed Cyclists Syndrome, out of the clear blue. The specials said it was definitely due to saddle pressure and those experiences of numb - knobbery were hints it was coming. Now, I have tried every saddle on the market. Wish I’d gone totally noseless years ago. Would have saved me from excruciating pain over the last two years. I could write a dissertation on stupid saddles, unfortunately.
Well saddles are definately a very specific subject and everyone is different, but saying that I'm glad you found a saddle that fits you properly, many people unfortunately never find one or just give up because its too painful etc...
When i had sitbone pains, it was fixed by buying a wider saddle. Went from 142mm stealth pro to the 152mm version
Yeah I’ve heard that can work, just depends on your body structure I spose. 👍 glad you got it sorted though.
I'm about to replace my elderly Typhoon (PR 3.0). The cover is deteriorating on it. It's seen me through some tough times, over every stage of the 2018 Tour de France - one day ahead of the race itself (@stevestdf) and currently resides on my gravel bike where aggressive aero positioning is not so paramount as comfort over time and rough ground. I have Road ISM Adamos on other bikes, one of which has carried me on an Everesting in 2017 without any saddle or perineal problems. I have a Prologue on my track bike. My sons ride with them too.
My change from a traditional style saddle started when I recalled doing a very long Sportif in the French Alps (l'étape du tour) and getting perineal numbness - that lasted 3 days.
It is critically important to get the height, rotation/centering and level of the saddle correct to begin with in the garage, then work on the fore-aft position during the ride. The saddle off-loads weight that may previously have been taken through the perineum (soft middle bits) on other saddles, so there is more weight bearing done on the ischial tuberosities- or sit-bones. This can initially be more noticeable. Going out with an allen key and riding specifically to tune the position of the saddle is important. I would not go back to normal saddles out of choice.
Your preferred choice of the PR 3.0 suggests to me that your riding position might be more upright. In my experience, PN-style and less padded saddles may work much better for those with a more aggressive, aero position.
Wow that’s a really interesting read! My problem in general isn’t numbness just a pain on my sitbone but only on one side. I did find I went numb on the ISM’s a few times. But I just didn’t feel they were for me, I’ve since moved to an infinity seat and these seem much better for me. Thanks for the comment it was very informative. 👍
Took me a good 10 hours of riding to condition my taint to take the new saddle position but now I'm loving it. I have the PN 3.0 on my road bike and it allows me to fully rotate my pelvis to hold an aero hoods position for longer. I'm literally riding guys off my wheel since I can get so aero now. I'm pushing 300 watts while less aero guys in my draft need to push 350+. They are big mad.
I’m glad you like the seat, they are such a personal thing as everyone’s bodies are different, I do like the shape to be honest just wasn’t for me back then, now I’ve sorted my short leg and offset riding position I may try them again one day, but I’m comfortable in my riding position atm. 👍
the online guide on ISM said to expect soreness as you utilize new sit bone position. (dont ride too long, initially)
Thanks for the review. Recommend the Specialized power arc. Works for me. Although I’d like to try one of these on the indoor trainer.
Yeah I’m using the infinity seat at the moment, seems like a keeper. I just couldn’t get used to them as saddles are very individual. 👍
Pn1.1 I love that saddle! “Like sitting on a razor” 😂 I burst out laughing when I heard that. Thanks for the ism exploration video.
Well it was killing me! It’s funny how saddles are so individual. I couldn’t stand it. 👍
I feel your pain! After years on Selle Italia saddles I found due to back problems I no longer felt right on them, pain after 40-50 miles, after trying loads of different brands I gave up and asked at my local Evans cycles shop, they recommend the Specialized Power and I had 30 days to return it if it didn't suit. It was instant relief for me and I've got them on all my bikes now. Hope you get fixed up soon.
Pete Moore yeah I’m using my power saddle again, for some reason it’s more comfortable than before I tried the ISM ones... maybe just luck I got it exactly right for me this time. 👍
I will add that I use mine with a 4° downward tilt, seems to be better for me like that, I use a phone app for setting it, using my phone from sit bone to nose position.
so the specialize stiero plus and ism ps 1.0,which is better.thanks
I heard it takes a few rides to get these saddles feeling right...I’m tempted to buy one for my roadie
Yeah do it, I’m not keen on them but everyone is different. 👍
Hi, thanks for that review. I won't be wasting my time and money on a PN3.1 or any other ISM saddle, so its back to the Selle Italia Novus endurance for me for the time being.
Floydie yeah, I didn’t find them at all comfortable, I have another saddle from the USA to test next week, it just arrived today. I do know of some people at work that swear by ISM saddles... just not for me it seems. 👍
The shorter ISM saddles are my preferred seat. I have the PS but wonder if the PR's would be even better.
The PR and the PS were the better of the ones I tried. 👍
Saddles are a big problem. I managed to stay on my taint smashing Giant saddle for 1 year+ after exrcutiating pain even off the bike on my genital area. I decided to try a Selle Italia Novus Boost Evo. It is definetely way better than the previous one but still is painful as hell. To be honest i just wanna abandon cycling.I waste money and i just feel pain. Maybe i should try ISM ones. Though i know you must ride at least a full week to see if a saddle works for you.
Yeah I know saddles can be a right pain… literally. It’s trial and error it seems, what works for me may not work for you. It’s really sad that you feel you have to give up, I’m riding infinity seat now. 👍
I use a PS 1.1 on my TT bike and find it absolutely perfect while in the aero bars. I feel locked into my position. Been thinking about replacing my current road bike saddle with an ISM, but I cannot figure out which one to get. I know the PS 1.1 will not work with my riding position on my road bike, because of the hump. Which one of the saddles that you tested was the flattest?
The flattest was the PN1.1 for sure.. like table flat. 👍
@@KyrosHouseCycling Thanks
I dont get how "narrow" is narrow.
Which part is narrow, they look pretty much the same as the other series.
It’s true, I don’t understand how they are grouped, it seemed the PN series are longer and flatter. 👍
Have you had a good bike fit? These seats tend to be a bit higher too - I only heard you talking about going up, but perhaps you're actually too high? Do you know your sit bone width? I used to use the Prologue and when it went to PN I could not get comfortable anymore. It can be so tricky.
I did have a bike fit previous to me testing these. I may have been too high, but at the time I actually lowered the seat post to account for the high gap between the rail and the seat. I now have a great saddle… the infinity seat. 👍
@@KyrosHouseCycling good to hear you fixed your problem.
i have the same problem since i broke my back cant no longer get comfy on mine
Yeah, I'm trialling a seat at the moment that could be the best seat I've ever tried....
How you can give opinion about saddle after one or two rides? It isn't even enough time to setup correct position or angle.
The same way I can give my opinion on if my new shoes fit or if my jeans are too loose or if I like a certain car brand. It’s just my opinion and it may differ from yours. 👍
Hey Steve, was the R9 already shipped? When's the next update?
Hey mate, no its not ready yet, they are having an issue with the paint process so I'm told... All will be revealed as soon as I'm allowed to post about it.
thank you very much for your review.. i'm looking at buying the PR 3.0 i have a "contoura al-6" (google it and you'll see the seating position).. i contacted the seller and he also told me that would be the better saddle for you. i bought my new bike but i cant ride it for more then 30min without feeling numb.. i have always had saddle problems.. hoping this will help i want so much to ride but the pain is stopping me..price for the PR3.0 is 140 euro here in The Netherlands.
Yeah the PR series was good, but I love my infinity seat now, hopefully you’ll find the answer, it’s not great to be in agony every time you ride a bike as it really puts you off. 👍
Hi, great video! How different is the PS 1.1 vs PR 1 or 3 and was there a reason you didn't try 2.0? I plan to ride Olympic triathlons and do most of my training on zwift. With the lighter padding from tri shorts, debating on getting the PR vs PS. I am demoing the PS1.1 right now and loving it. No more numb nuts!
Hello! the PR and PS are very similar to be honest, they were the better ones out of the selection, but I liked the PR range the best out of them all. I didn't try the 2.0 because it wasn't available when I ordered the saddles. I just didn't get on with them...A bit off subject but I've been trialing an infinity seat. I've made an unboxing video and a review which is ready for release soon, the seat is used by lots of tri riders. maybe worth a look?
@@KyrosHouseCycling thanks for the response and suggestion I will look into it and check out your video when it's posted thanks!
You are suppose to set on the kick up just fyi. Your to far up in the saddle. The point of the rise to to keep the nuts off the seat
I didn’t mean I was sitting on the split nose, I meant I was rotated onto the split nose, my sit bones were quite far back on the fat part of the saddle. I suppose just not the right saddle for me. As you know saddles are so specific to the user. But thanks for pointing out my mistake. Sorry about that. 👍
got PS1.1.: too wide at front and dubious build quality... don't recommend
Just stop ducking about with these saddles and go back to the normal ones :)
I’m on infinity seat now, the best one so far, had it for ages now. 👍