Wow amazing conversation! I can’t believe it took me so long to find Grail Country, but I am just soaking it all in🙏 I’m also doing one of Rafes retreats this summer! Thank you both for all you do😊
I am a christian in the way that i play a game to enter a flow state. I dont get what i expect most of the time but the less i think about what i want and the more i think about what the game asks of me the closer i can "feel" it. The fact that what i want is in the game at all is sublime. But like a beautiful game. Ececuting a masterful kick is Nowhere near a game that gets you into flow.
Comparative religion was helpful in encouraging me to imaginatively enter the interior experience of different people. Empathy was the result. My religion simply developed out of which imaginative experiences are most like me.
I've found that even when you tell your spouse or loved ones what is actually on your mind (to the best of your ability with full transparency)...it doesn't necessary "fix" the conflicts.
Enjoyed this conversation. The topic reminded me of this poem. Especially the line. “I just want a chance for my spirit to dance; I want to be able to play.” HEAVENLY PLAYGROUND by Adrian Plass Oh God, I’m not anxious to snuff it, but when the Grim Reaper reaps me, I’ll try to rely on my vision of Zion; I know how I want it to be. As soon as You greet me in Heaven, and ask what I’d like, I shall say, “I just want a chance for my spirit to dance; I want to be able to play.” Tell the angels to build a soft playground designed and equipped just for me. With a vertical slide that’s abnormally wide and oceans of green PVC. There’ll be reinforced netting to climb on, and rubberized floors that will bend. And no one can die so I needn’t be shy if I’m tempted to land on a friend! I’m gonna go mad in the soft, squashy mangle, and balmy with balls in the swamp colored and spherical, I’ll be hysterical! I’ll have a heavenly romp! There’ll be cushions and punch bags and tires in purple and yellow and red, and a mushroomy thing that will suddenly sing if I kick it or sit on its head. There’ll be fountains of squash and ribina to feed my continual thirst, and none of that stuff about “You’ve had enough,” surely heavenly bladders won’t burst. I suppose I might be too tall for the entrance but Lord, chuck the rules in the bin. If I am too large, tell the angel in charge to let me bow down and come in.
The highest good is ineffable yes. It can’t be contained yes. But it is experienced and known. Relationally. In love. It just can’t be named and controlled by a law. It’s a spirit, it goes where it wills. And it’s everywhere present, filling all things.
21:28 “when we can’t conceptualize what is highest well, we will put something in its place.” And we nerve can. This is credo > religio. Mammon over God.
42:50 “christ became flesh but he did not become a man because he was man already.” From the liturgy: “who, without change, became Man and was crucified. Oh, God, our God, trampling down death by death!”
"Flow" is a common experience ... having an alternative conscious experience is therapeutic, but you can't live there. Ordinary consciousness is base human experience for a reason. Shari is like me. Rafe is not, he is a kinesthetic learner.
2:30 “I want to respect the fact that you’re not a believer.” Nate! Self-identifying to affirming x or not y propositions does not make one a believer! Polanyi. I strongly encourage us to stop making this false equivalence. It’s a tell of objectivism/rationalism. And I know that’s not you, Nate.
@@grailcountry yeah. You were going a very good job listening imo. Which is a very necessary and key skill. Hospitable dialogos. So, compliments, good sir.
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Such a lovely conversation. Thank you
Wow amazing conversation! I can’t believe it took me so long to find Grail Country, but I am just soaking it all in🙏 I’m also doing one of Rafes retreats this summer! Thank you both for all you do😊
I am a christian in the way that i play a game to enter a flow state. I dont get what i expect most of the time but the less i think about what i want and the more i think about what the game asks of me the closer i can "feel" it. The fact that what i want is in the game at all is sublime. But like a beautiful game. Ececuting a masterful kick is Nowhere near a game that gets you into flow.
i should do this more. Ive spoken to all of you seperately and consider it a high honour, this is beautiful. Please have this again
I’m so glad you enjoyed it! ❤️
This was very good. I definitely can relate to Shari's experience with flitting between things and having a desire to be a master of something.
My theology of work is my theology of play. No cap.
50:58 “under the umbrella of love, obedience and will become one.”
- GM ❤❤❤❤
Comparative religion was helpful in encouraging me to imaginatively enter the interior experience of different people. Empathy was the result. My religion simply developed out of which imaginative experiences are most like me.
I've found that even when you tell your spouse or loved ones what is actually on your mind (to the best of your ability with full transparency)...it doesn't necessary "fix" the conflicts.
Enjoyed this conversation. The topic reminded me of this poem. Especially the line. “I just want a chance
for my spirit to dance;
I want to be able to play.”
HEAVENLY PLAYGROUND
by Adrian Plass
Oh God, I’m not anxious to snuff it,
but when the Grim Reaper reaps me,
I’ll try to rely on
my vision of Zion;
I know how I want it to be.
As soon as You greet me in Heaven,
and ask what I’d like, I shall say,
“I just want a chance
for my spirit to dance;
I want to be able to play.”
Tell the angels to build a soft playground
designed and equipped just for me.
With a vertical slide
that’s abnormally wide
and oceans of green PVC.
There’ll be reinforced netting to climb on,
and rubberized floors that will bend.
And no one can die
so I needn’t be shy
if I’m tempted to land on a friend!
I’m gonna go mad in the soft, squashy mangle,
and balmy with balls in the swamp
colored and spherical,
I’ll be hysterical!
I’ll have a heavenly romp!
There’ll be cushions and punch bags and tires
in purple and yellow and red,
and a mushroomy thing
that will suddenly sing
if I kick it or sit on its head.
There’ll be fountains of squash and ribina
to feed my continual thirst,
and none of that stuff
about “You’ve had enough,”
surely heavenly bladders won’t burst.
I suppose I might be too tall for the entrance
but Lord, chuck the rules in the bin.
If I am too large,
tell the angel in charge
to let me bow down and come in.
Awesome conversation
The highest good is ineffable yes. It can’t be contained yes.
But it is experienced and known. Relationally. In love.
It just can’t be named and controlled by a law. It’s a spirit, it goes where it wills. And it’s everywhere present, filling all things.
25:07 “and yet we still have to name things”
God is he about whom we must never speak and yet always keep speaking.
And so is everything else.
11:20 “everything meant the same thing”
Once you see the way broadly, you’ll see it in everything.
The Way
20:12 “absolutizing their own moral frameworks”
Yep. This is exactly what Rollins said in his Postmodernism Fundamentalists episode.
5:10 Shari. Goodness what mastery of empathy and wisdom. Buckle up. This will be fun
21:28 “when we can’t conceptualize what is highest well, we will put something in its place.”
And we nerve can. This is credo > religio. Mammon over God.
I think Pageau and Lindsay should listen to this…
42:50 “christ became flesh but he did not become a man because he was man already.”
From the liturgy: “who, without change, became Man and was crucified. Oh, God, our God, trampling down death by death!”
42:38 amen.
What would god, God or G-d ... what would that be like for you? Ayaan Hirsi Ali enters chat ...
“Verifying claims” is also an rationalist tell. Imo.
"Flow" is a common experience ... having an alternative conscious experience is therapeutic, but you can't live there. Ordinary consciousness is base human experience for a reason. Shari is like me. Rafe is not, he is a kinesthetic learner.
2:30 “I want to respect the fact that you’re not a believer.”
Nate! Self-identifying to affirming x or not y propositions does not make one a believer! Polanyi.
I strongly encourage us to stop making this false equivalence. It’s a tell of objectivism/rationalism.
And I know that’s not you, Nate.
One of the many things I didn't have time to get into
@@grailcountry yeah. You were going a very good job listening imo. Which is a very necessary and key skill. Hospitable dialogos. So, compliments, good sir.