Striking is inherently feminine. Wrestling is inherently masculine
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There is going to be a teenager somewhere that sees this in their recommended and dedicates their life entirely to wrestling
Good!
If I could back in time and do one thing in life it be wrestling. No joke. And that's before I seen the video.
@@RamseyDewey Not saying its a bad investment, but some striking would do you good too!
@@RamseyDewey But it can be great! 😁
Yes if could I’d learn wrestling instead of kickboxing. But Vandamme wasn’t wrestling in movies, he was kicking asses.
Your description of high school wrestling reminded me of high school swimming. Training hard two hours in the morning, then off to class, then doing martial arts after school. Man, I don’t know how I survived high school.
I bet your cardio was amazing!
Probably saved you from all the bullshit I got into during highschool 🤣 I wish I were doing martial arts!
I m in the middle of that
@@kaizenproductions00 Yup. Nowadays I do running. Also good.
@@Adrian_Real I mean, I went to high school in Belgium. Belgian youth are crazy XD Great parties, but if I did any of the things the other students did, I’d have gotten kicked off the swimming team (strict non-smoking and no drugs policy. Would test you upon suspicion)
Being infertile due to thyroid disease has changed my concept of masculinity drastically. I lack an adequate hormonal masculine state, but my family looks to my example and I never back down from a challenge. I remember being a younger man with functioning libidinous energy and presence, and it feels like I now occupy all the same responsibilities of the male role model with none of the hormonal responses that facilitate and reward being a patriarch. It’s a unique kind of loss that few will ever understand.
I train as a striker, and it really resonates with me that my techniques and tactics got easier to implement well when I felt my testosterone first reduce. I was more relaxed and fluid, less ego driven, more cunning, more able to read the opponent, anticipate their movements, and move in harmony to neutralize them. When I cross trained in BJJ, I did notice a familiar masculine energy and cameraderie that I missed so badly it caused me grief.
I got hit with low test levels too. Doesn't mean I can't tackle. You can win. Let old age and trickery beat youth and skill.
TRT exists for a reason. If you don’t want to lose bone density and have countless other health problems, i suggest you do something about it. There’s more to being alive than your sex drive and your lack of fertility, not everyone even cares or wants those things anyway.
TRT????
@@gregquinn7817 I considered that, but I’d like to make what I can naturally for as long as possible. Taking T causes the body to shut down natural production, sometimes permanently.
Interesting story!
I think the reason most women don't do wrestling so much is because most women are not so serious about MMA or martial arts and they don't want to get so intimately close to random male strangers.
Should also note that a male counterpart can likely outwrestle her if he is strong enough
@@hannsern3882 yeah but just because you have to fight a stronger guy is never a legitimate excuse to not learn wrestling. If you were always guaranteed a person of similar strength, why bother doing martial arts at all ?
All of the women I know who take up martial arts do so with the view of being able to fight off a male. This is not a reason for any female to not do wrestling, or any martial art.
@@riichobamin7612 regardless, its nice seeing females do any sort of martial arts
I mean.... I grapple a lot but I've definitely felt some pocket rockets before during grapples, so I understand other women not wanting to lol
@@riichobamin7612 i mean, why cant you do martial arts as a sport? Not a single person (at least who is serious with training and not fooling himself) i know does martial arts to fight anybody outside of gym...
P.S. not saying anything about original comment. But you can roll with women if you are uncomfortable rolling with men... Especially in the beginning.
This is culturally specific. You grew up in a place with a high school wrestling culture. I’m British, and here, the tradional “manly” “martial art” that young men would gravitate to would be boxing. Go back to my parents generation, who grew up in the 50s & 60s, and that’s basically all there was.
Yeah around me grappling is seen as cheap and the only other striking art besides boxing is karate which was for nerds
In the hood in America Boxing is seen as more masculine than wrestling. Wrestling is big in the midwest, particularly rural and suburban areas
Mexicans don’t really wrestle we box in souther az
You didn't watch the video before making this comment, did you?
@@davidp.7620 Of course I did. Was a long time ago now so can’t remember it all. What do you think I missed from what he said then?
It's the reverse here in the Philippines. If you grapple as a guy, you are considered "homosexual" and "feminine" because "real men only boxe and kick their way out of adversity". Lol the amount of street fights I saw first hand always ends up the assailant grabbing the other guy on a clinch when they got overwhelmed by lazy jabs and haymakers because they always head-hunt, and try their very best effort to hold on to dear life so their friends can jump on the other fellow. It's so funny they claim that grappling is for the weak and always ends up hugging the other so his friends can beat up their rivals as fast as possible 😂
tama po kayo sir. pero dahan-dahan na din nagiging uso dito ang jiu jitsu 😁
@@snatchX626 yes sir, and I do hope high schools and univiersities also promote other grappling arts like Judo or wrestling for the youth. Nakakasawa parating basketball parating palaro sa mga kabataan, kahit national sport natin na arnis/kali hindi sikat sa lahat ng panig ng Pilipinas
Pinoys are dumb lol
@@glennnolasco2475 The funny thing here in our country is that even in the context of Martial Arts/ Combat sports, the Full contact ones (Boxing, Muay Thai, MMA ETC.) ay hindi ganon ka mainstream. mas mairal ang semi contact sports like Karate, TKD at iba pa.
Grappling is sexualized, pornography probably plays a role. I am not a boomer but I doubt grappling was sexualized 50 years ago. I think the outfits American wrestlers wear also contribute to it being called gay. I think it would be called less gay if people wore a gi like in Judo/BJJ.
I think that all young men should watch this video. You’ve made many good points in this video. Those of us who grew up without a father, need something like this.
well... i kinda do doubt the deep educational virtues of telling fatherless bous that boxing is for sissies... 🤷♀️
Perhaps I am a paranoid or pessimistic person, but as you often produce videos every few days, I had become worried you might have been taken off to an isolation camp after Covid testing. I am more pleased than usual to see this video. :D
Lately, less than 1% of my subscribers have been watching my videos. I’m worried that THEY have been taken to a COVID camp!
I thought that too! We’re always worry about that, maybe a video about it would be cool, of course if there’s no any problem with doing it. Thank you so much for your wisdom Ramsey!
@Ramsey Dewey you had recent videos???? Lol
@@RamseyDewey i'm just checkking in every months and watch all of your videos i missed. TH-cam algorythm sucks
Try not to worry unless you are someone's mother.
This reminds me of a lecture I listened to years ago (given by Fabrice Cognot I think) about a 15th century pollaxe treatise. He mentioned that in medieval France, striking with the hands was considered feminine, while grappling was masculine. I thought it a strange concept at the time, so it kinda stuck in the back of my head.
Wrestling is super important in medieval martial arts
@@marekverescak2493 boxing is one of the oldest martial arts though. Dates all the way to ancient Egypt
@@hleroklite so as wrestling...
This sounds like talk from people who don't have hands 🤔
@@Lovellyoungwolf ???
I agree, I think grappling takes large arms and shoulders which lends itself to masculine bodies.
No advantage of a long arm in striking right
@@-whackd large not long
Broader shoulders makes a huge difference too
@@doctorllama2507 tarded
Yeah, rolling around on the ground with sweaty guys is "masculine."
This is a great video. I watched a lot of your content, but this really took the cake. A lot of my old football teammates were wrestlers as well that helped trained me. This helped transfer my skills to actual grappling martial arts when I trained, and people thought I grew up as a wrestler all my life. So I resonated with what you said.
This, right here, may be your most motivational upload in a while… This video needs to be more viewed and be understood… Thank you.
This was awesome. I got into mma as an adult. Before I did, I saw grappling very differently. However, I get it 100%! Thanks for this post! Time to train!!!
This is making me introspect about my own journey as a martial artist and a psychologist. I'm thinking of the ideas of learning, categorising and then dissolving into your being here, with respect to what is/can be considered as masculinity and femininity
I disagree that striking is inherently feminine, but I do agree that it is less masculine then something like wrestling. Even bjj may be less masculine then wrestling. It’s because wrestlers while they do use technique, they are also focusing much more on strength , taking risks, and powering through then other martial arts during matches. Wrestling is based off aggressive technique. It’s almost if not probably impossible to win a wrestling match if your not aggressive and trying to dominate your opponent. Wearas things like striking or bjj you could be more laid back, and use more technique, leverage, and defensive strategies to win fights and your just not forced to be as aggressive as you possibly can like in most wrestling matches. But that’s why striking + bjj + wrestling is such a good build . Since you have the technical ability of striking and bjj with the aggressiveness of a wrestler .
Mind blown 🤯 it makes so much sense!!! I think deep down we all know this is true. I’ll never look at the yin and Yang symbol the same way again. I will be signing up for grappling asap!!!
I agree with your point, that in the vast majority of cases, women tend to prefer striking. But, something that you might find as surprising as I did: as the dean of a campus in China, I decided to introduce no-gi grappling to the students here, as there is nowhere nearby this campus for the kids to practice, so I just decided to share my knowledge in an after-class club. My first two sign-ups were girls! I was genuinely surprised! But happy, want to see more ladies get into this sport.
I had a coach in high school who had just this sentiment. He had a gym elective that was laws and combatives for self defense. He was a well rounded fighter former D1 wrestler, Black Belt Judoka and proficient in Muay Thai and Kyokushin Karate. I saw first hand the men picked up the grappling and short clinch striking(knees, hooks, and uppercuts from the clinch.)women picked up long striking(kickboxing)
It’s a great combo of all that. Dude must have been a beast!
We go to the same BJJ gym he is an absolute tank of a man despite being like 5'2 you just can't hold him down.
Only men pick up both grappling and striking. Women pick up neither, mainly because they are weak and suck shit at them, but also because THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN SPARRING OR COMPETING IN EITHER COMBAT STYLE. WOMEN DONT LIKE COMBAT SPORTS. GO OUT IN THE REAL WORLD AND LOOK AROUND, THEYRE AT YOGA CLASSES!
@@nicholasneyhart396 You're so lucky. It's such a rarity to learn from a serious martial artist.
I can't say I agree. I think fighting is a masculine thing no matter what. As a BJJ brown belt and former high school wrassler I find grappling to be more feminine due to things that I feel like someone will try to cancel me for if I say LOL. I think the inherent understanding of this shows in how women were taught to wrestle throughout history as a form of leisure/last ditch preparation for invasion.
I think to explain the lack of women in the grappling class is that people today are generally a lot less comfortable with close contact. On top of that women typically don't want to grapple with men, but in many cases they also just don't want to do a women's only BJJ class. But who knows.
"how women were taught to wrestle throughout history as a form of leisure/last ditch preparation for invasion." which cultures did this?
Is the lack of women in grappling even true? I don't feel like any martial art is more popular with women than BJJ right now, and Judo has a very large female percentage as well. You don't see a lot of women on folk wrestling styles, but you don't see a lot of women in boxing either, and I suspect that's because in both worlds there's a degree of intensity, competition and even aggressiveness most women will be put off by. You don't see many women linong up to be mercilessly beaten up to the point they have trouble thinking by the time they're 50, yet boxing and kickboxing gyms are always active.
@@pootytang2872
Spartans. The Spartans might've even been the first who came to mind when OP made the comment. They particularly wanted their women to be "as fit as their brothers". They wrestled for leisure and women were actually taught to fight with weapons to some degree in case of emergency, tho i doubt they wrestled for war. Spartan society was centered around war. Men would often be away or dead.
Other cultures and groups of people like the Japanese and Vikings taught their women some form of martial discipline for defense of the home.
Yeah, Sonny Liston and George Foreman punching a heavy bag is the most feminine thing I've seen in my life.
Jake lamotta, roberto duran lol boxing was and probly still is the most macho sport in the world. It's the poor boys game. There's no grappling equivalent to Martin Scorsese's Raging Bull
@@bleh3328 Yeah, punch in the face is the most brutal, manly thing a peron can do to show his dominance and status. That he takes shit from nobody and always walks straight in life. Wrestling is less punishing. What real men do when somebody insults them? They don't wrestle, they punch. Hugging and rolling on the floor with another man isn't the most masculin thing in my opinion.
If someone insults you, you say let's fight and get on with it.
If someone insults you the most manly thing to do is put your sensitive feelings aside, move on with your life, and go do something manly. Fighting over hurt feelings is the polar opposite of masculine. Are you kidding me? Time to grow up children.
@@RamseyDewey And if somebody insults your wife, children, parents? Your girlfriend while she is with you? Spits on her? People like that do exist. And insults also have levels. Sometimes you can walk away, sometimes you can't.
Striking is about distance control, grappling is closing the distance in the most favorable position for a take down.
Short stabbing sword like Gladius was not the weapon of the upper classes, longer cavalry swords and officer core level swords were of the upper classes and required specific training.
Strong core was needed for line troops that directly closed with the enemy forces, grappling is the best way to build a strong core, but at the same time heavily built up core limits agility that's required for sword fighting. Historically best sword/saber/fencing fighters are slender and agile.
A man that's properly trained in edges weapons is superior in delivering fatal damage to any given variation of hand to hand combat trained men.
Counterargument: To my intuition it's the other way round. Striking is about power and precision, wrestling is about attrition and a less instantaneous kind of strength (women are less physically powerful but better at survival). Striking also maintains boundaries and separation between the bodies of the combatants and the winner is always clear; wrestling is about getting all tangled up with your opponent (intimate, even) which is feminine. Striking is standing up, wrestling is etc. I think you're wrong to characterise that 'distance' idea inherent to striking as feminine, 'distance' is a masculine thing - in philosophy Nietzsche and others have written about the principles of Apollo vs. Dionysus (and Camille Paglia takes those to literally mean masculine vs. feminine) and Apollo is of course the god of archery(precisely striking distant things) and prophecy (seeing distant things), he's all ABOUT distance. 'Distance' describes the typical male approach to problem-solving and to life in general, keeping a rational distance and not getting emotionally tangled, offering problem-solving instead of emotional support - how many times have we heard women make this complaint? Whereas women typically get more emotionally involved (entangled) in their problems and those of others like a grappler.
As I typed this, particularly the sentence about the winner being clear in striking - it occurred to me also that chess is like striking and Go is like wrestling.
I agree! Also, when you see untrained women fight on the street, they typically end up on the ground grappling and yanking each others hair without letting go. It's even hard to break them up because of it. When they do hit, they generally have limp wrists & open palms. Men typically use their fists as if they're using blunt weapons, which also relates to man's evolutionary development of striking tools.
Very interesting perspective. Also from just reading your comment, an epiphany occurred. Part of striking, especially in boxing, is to try and control the distance and tempo as well. If you’re just a brawler, you’re chaotic like in grappling. If you can control the distance of your opponent, and control the tempo to your favor to put your opponent at a disadvantage, that can considerably increase your odds of winning. Men when faced with obstacles or challenges, like to go about it where they can get control of the situation and adapt it to where they’re at an advantage, so that they can overcome the challenge. Plus, throughout a striking fight or boxing match, you’ll eventually get hit. The more you get hit, the harder it is to take or maintain control and overcome. But if you keep going at it and not give in, you learn persistence and develop great willpower. Great qualities necessary for a man’s masculinity.
This is fantastic analysis.
Damn this fool is right thanks for sharing
Still the fact remains that you will see more women training boxing/kickboxing compared to wrestling/grappling.
Here's a counter-argument. Striking is also masculine, because the goal isn't to cuddle like in grappling, but to ideally knock your opponent out. Its inherently much more dangerous of an art than grappling. Femininity is the opposite of danger seeking behaviour. Masculinity on the other hand.. Also most women have serious issues about hurting someone (physically) or being hurt in return, which you need to focus on doing in striking. Thats the whole point, hurt them really bad if you can before they hurt you.
Also, my local BJJ club has the most women out of all. My boxing club has 0 women, and I've been here for 5 years and I haven't seen a single aspiring female boxer to ever walk through them doors. Theyre all in the cardio-boxing class. The thai boxing club next door has a few girls.
Interesting counter-point. I think Ramsey means more in terms of Yin/Yang rather than being effeminate.
There is no better way of saying "i cant grapple" than saying: ITS CUDDLING!!!!
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@@stillwatercamargo9606 There is no better way of saying ''I am gae'' than wanting to force your way on another men. SOund like bears from the gae village. 🤣
I definitely agree with the sentiment of keeping good traditions. I think younger generations get the wrong idea about these "masculine" values in large parts because of the toxic ways in which they're often taught.
Young americans now days are burnt out on the idea that "hard work is it's own reward" because we can now see how the hard work of americans, and to an even greater extent people in developing countries is exploited. Many baby boomers in the USA (including my grandpa who I look up to greatly.) Use the vales of hard work to justify capitalist exploitation, holding the belief that one should be grateful to their employers just for giving them a job. I think there is a lot of good in these old fashioned values, but for the modern individual, there needs to be some modification. I will never be thankful to those who exploit my labor for profit, but I will always be thankful to god/the universe for every job and opportunity that comes my way. I will never be ok with how normal working closer to 80 hours a week than 40 is becoming again, but I will always admire those with the strength to sacrifice so much of their body and soul to scrape by. Also I think it's very important to work extra hard outside of your job, because then your labor isn't being exploited, and all the value you provide is going directly to the community members you are helping.
Physical strength is similar, because people often associate strength with bodybuilding and vanity and trying to be better than others, when strength is more about being better than yourself, and having the ability to help your community.
Sadly life is hard. I'm a young man, and recently I made the choice to stop going to jiujitstu. It's expensive, and I spend so much time working for survival and working for the good of my community that it's hard to make it to class. I'm not going to stop lifting weights, because it's so much cheaper, and bring strong helps me perform better. Instead of being angry, I try to be thankful, cause over all I'm very lucky, and this struggle has made me look deep inside myself.
Like most people, I started martial Arts because of super hero fantasies, but because of all the introspection I've had to do, I've realized that real life super heroes are people like my grandpa, who help other in a system that punishes generosity.
I won't be fighting, but I will for sure be training. I'll be honing my mental and physical skills to the max in order to be the most helpful person possible.
And I'll do my best to help tech these "masculine" values to people of all genders.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom online, it's been very valuable in my personal struggles.
I have been training in gong fu (shaolin initially and then wudang)and muay thai for about 6 years now and over the years, I have come to realize that most the gong fu is mostly a grappling art, and the strikes and sweeps involved are merely weapons/options used to open up opportunities to pin the opponent in a lock(I am yet to come across any ground game in gong fu/wushu) or employ a takedown or slam them on the ground. In essence, I have been developing a balance in my fighting style without even realizing it. Thank you for this beautiful nugget of wisdom, coach!
I have a really hard time seeing striking as feminine, on the basis that, when it comes down to it, there's a really large difference in how hard the average woman can hit compared to the average man. The average man might have something like 50% more upper body strength compared to the average woman, but in my experience at least, the difference in striking force tends to be a lot larger than that. And the difference in ability to endure the physical punishment of blows seems even larger.
If it's not being treated as a counterpoint to grappling, I think that if people were ranking activities by their "feminine" character, striking, or physically hitting people with one's limbs and enduring blows, would be pretty well down towards the bottom of the list. Things can be complementary counterpoints without falling into masculine vs. feminine roles.
Women LOVE standing their ground and trading blow to blow in the face. Women love striking sports and they do them so much. Hurpa durpity doo
Yea it simply doesn’t need to be categorized as such, yin and Yang that was a better analogy already.
you can see how this functions in aggressive speech. men will argue like wrestling more of a give and take accepting a challenge or a throw, women say backhanded insults like strikes.
one is as interested in being influenced as it is in influencing standing their ground while the other is trying to influence the most while mitigating the influence on them, dancing around the words said to them.
you can see creates a fundamental change to your durability
You're aware that a female pro boxer hits a lot harder than an average man, right? Striking is literally just a mix of strength/mass, speed and technique, there is no unknown magical advantage men have, it's just that women on average are smaller, weaker and far less often trained in any way or know how to throw a halfway proper punch(but actual training improves all of that, even the body mass).
@@gunchar06 Yes, but there's a lot of natural talent that goes into how well one picks up the techniques, and how well suited one's body is for delivering power, and female boxers are a very small and heavily filtered fraction of the population.
There are large differences in striking power between people of similar size with similar levels of training. Any top-level boxer will hit hard compared to the average person, but some hit much harder than others. If you're a competitive boxer, you're almost invariably being selected, not just from the pool of people who train hard, but are unusually good at hitting things relative to your quantity of training.
Grappling gives the biggest advantage to the bigger stronger person. If you cant control a single arm of your opponents with both of yours, the only option you have are chokes. And then they only have to defend against one thing.
In HEMA we wrestle as well. Not really a whole lot of striking b/c 1) the masters assumed youd have a weapon & 2) punching people w/o protecting hands can break them which on a battlefield = your a done biscuit. We train wrestling & disarms w/ daggers etc b/c in war that's what your more likely to encounter.
As an FMA practitioner, I consider weapon work to still be striking.
Arguably its striking++.
Even more distance ( even more feminine trait?) And greater payoff for your efforts.
Then again... the weapons are also used for grappling. As well as grappling being used to apply weapon based attacks.
So the lines get pretty blurred. As I guess they should be. 🤔😄
I need to re-visit HEMA at some point. 🙂
Only tried it once, but it was a blast. And plenty of common ground with what I usually do.
I totally agree here. I've noticed, when it comes to training, a lot of guys seem to enjoy the locking, grabbing, and throwing portions of training more than the girls do. Also, there's a lot more girls training in arts involving striking I've noticed. My personal theory is kinda similar to yours. I think the reason they feel this way is because they feel like they want to run from the danger. But also because they don't like touching people unless they want to. Where as men are more hands on and aren't afraid of getting roughed up.
yah man even before i train martial art, il like throw, slam, the violent aciton more than striking even when it come striking i like lethal one like Mike Tyson in boxing, Dutch kickboxing, muaythai.
Really nice content, man. Thanks.
So, the manliest form of wrestling is pro wrestling. You're not only manly enough to close the distance and get personal to harm your opponent, you're also manly enough to harm yourself bumping. While wearing a brightly colored singlet.
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My partner does Mui-Thai and British Boxing, where I trained in "traditional" as far as it can be in Japanese Jui-Jitsu within the WJJF.
We train together at home with exercise, and her routines in boxing and techniques in Mui-Thai.
She likes to challenge me, and I talk her ways out of the moves she's learnt to be victorious in a real life scenario if someone did her moves against her in a street fight.
"Muay Thai"
@@mr.q337 thanks! I'm dyslexic and always get the spelling of M-T wrong, everytime I ask her if she's going in the evening..
The her stopped me. Wow baby you can go women against man higher weight? You bad
"What is power other the capacity to perform work?"
Given the context, this goes so hard.
The average grappler be like
The answer is “collar and elbow wrestling”. That is the jacketed form of wrestling that was arguably the most popular sport in America on the 18th century. George Washington was a practitioner.
A lot like judo. Many of the same throws as judo but with English names. O Soto Gari for instance was a “forward back heel”. Ippon Seoi Nage was a variation of the “Flying Mare”.
Basically every culture in which jackets have been when have had a historical form of jacket based wrestling, with the lineage of the American collar and elbow style likely being traced back to Ireland.
In Scotland a closer range variation of grappling called “backhold” was more popular.
Thanks for the video. Always love to hear about other cultures’ approaches to grappling and see just how much they have in common.
Man that was fun and truthful speech.
And I completely agree that true values are being diminished. Everybody is striving for hedonism and luxuries.
And that's why everyone is afraid of hard labor. O but little they know, it sets you free 💪👊👍
How dare you, I'm more of a striker than a grappler and I'm as masculine as I can be...
You're absolutely 100% right, I need to do more grappling.
I do too much grappling and I lack a shit ton of agression, I need to do more striking.
@@AxaFin I've noticed alot of my teammates who compete, are usually nonchalantly killing you softly 😅, so I understand what you mean.
"What is power, if not the capacity to do work?" Wow, Ramsey, you sound like a physicist now.
Your voice is so soothing, you would be perfect as a radio speaker !
Also I would like to say that I really enjoy your content. I've been in the martial arts community for about 4 years now. I'm 30 years old, and started training at the age of 26. I'm a coach at the gym but I often feel brand new at the same time! I consider myself new still (2 fights, 1 juijitsu comp.) I have a student attitude about it all and so I definitely stay humble.
I come to your channel every once in awhile. Even though fighting is very popular I feel like the communitty of people who actually train on a regular basis is pretty small. So it's nice to hear someone like you share your rhoughts, it helps me not to feel alone in this game! : )
That's why I usually use my striking skills against women and my grappling skills with men
This resonates very well with me. Having transitioned from Striking to cross train in wrestling and BJJ, there's truth in this. I get it. Infact, I should just "get out and train!"
When I first saw the title, I was almost instantly understood it.
The statement that martial arts is the the pursuit of power. Then I thought "what is power? Knowledge. What is knowledge?? The truth."
what I've heard you say before, about martial arts being the pursuit of the truth. It's like a full circle.
So being successful at striking doesnt require strength, athleticism, and hard work? But doesnt every sport? I think if anything striking is the MOST masculine because it also requires the will to do serious violence and damage against others. If you dont think that that is a masculine trait, then why are the majority of people in prison for violent crimes men? Why are the vast majority of people in war men? In fact this is where striking martial arts originated, and exactly who it was for.
How can you say that the goal of wrestlers is to be the danger as an argument? A striker is much more likely to have that mentality than a wrestler. What am i in danger of from a wrestler? Some guy laying on top of me?
I think the reason we dont see women in wrestling is because the average person doesnt realize the utility of wrestling as a martial art or something that can be used for self defense. In my experience even actual wrestlers themselves just think of it as a sport.
And aside from that, women are going to have a proclivity to be more uncomfortable having a sweaty guy physically dominate them. Plus nobody wants to wear a singlet, woman least of all.
If something considered to belong to one gender it will stay like that for a long time.
Bc lego was advertised as boyish, girls didn't like lego as much, so lego is for boys.
Circular reasoning is the name of the game.
Same with computers. Before computers were comorcially viable the gender split in the IT industry was 50-50. But home computer was advertised for men, so now it is manly thing. And women barely dare to join bc they are imitated.
But nothing stands forever. Horse riding used to be the manliest thing ever, now it is the sport of rich teen girls.
If you change 2 or 3 bases in society many roles will be reversed.
@@katokianimation circular reasoning is exactly it. Why is wrestling masculine? Because men do it. Why do men do it? Because its masculine. Why is it masculine? Cause men do it? Why do men do it…
I think we can all agree that wrestling is inherently masculine, and I personally agree that feminine traits are not negative traits. But with that all said, you didn't present a single argument as to why Striking is feminine - you mentioned that striking is about keeping distance from danger, but also did not explain how this is a feminine trait or not.
So I could (for the sake of argument and playing devil's advocate) say that wrestling is more feminine, as when you mount another fellow martial artist, you are reducing to the highest degree the amount of damage they can do to you. Or I could argue that masculinity requires people to ward off danger - as to keep danger away from our families, instead of embracing it, so the trait you described as being feminine is actually masculine etc.
All of the other features of wrestling you cited seem to be also true about striking or any type of fighting - hard work, power etc., so I don't get how this could be used to mount an argument that wrestling is masculine and striking is feminine.
My opinion is that both are inherently masculine, and that's that. But of course, since you did not make it clear whatsoever - this is not something I can argue without you laying specifically what 'is' masculinity and what is feminality.
GSP learned how to wrestle as an adult and he is a karate guy raking wrestlers like Matt Hughes down.
To my grandma (RIP), boxing is how men fight, wrestling is how women fight. We're a Filipino family. She's also a farmer who didn't get any formal education and lived through WW2.
The funny thing is that different cultures have different mentalities for example Spartans never fought with bows and arrows because it was seen as cowardly to attack from a distance but on the other hand The bow was the primary weapon of the samurai and having an excessive amount of skill with melee weapons was actually seen as an embarrassment because it was seen as compensating for lack of archery skill
Your grandma was right.
Thank you for enlightening me!
@Ramsey Dewey, hearing about the farmers in Idaho doing their manual chores in the mornings remind me how much I miss doing manual labor. I do burpees every day so I can keep in some kind of shape. I am working to get up to 500 burpees in a day. I thank you for your videos and they are quite insighful in the fight game.
I studied Shiao Jiao for 8 years, awesome effective art often taught with Tai Chi. It has a lot of locks, throws and striking in combination in its modern form. Definitely focuses on top dominate grappling. Most stories about tai Chi in combat may have their source in close proximity. Of ,course I have never stopped training.
Wtf is Shiao Jiao?
Shuai Jiao 摔跤 is Mandarin for “wrestling”. Chinese folk wrestling is a style where the wrestlers wear a sleeveless jacket and attempt to throw their opponent the the ground while remaining standing.
@@RamseyDewey oh he wanted to write shuai jiao. I thought he was referring to some other martial art I never heard of.
@@RamseyDewey LOts of live sparring and matches, earned my only belt, black sash, and had 3 matches back to back with 3 different weight classes, and won! a personal best. A few instructors here in the US, usually tied to Tai Chi schools. my line came from a champion in the thirties named Chang, grandmaster.
I was in agreement up until the point where you talk about what traits are manly... For that I have found the book Men Are From Mars Women Are From Venus more accurate and more comprehensive (I would definitely recommend reading it).
When I was growing up I saw literally every dependability fail me, and because of this I had to redefine everything. One question I asked myself frequently was what makes a man, and years later I got my answer from a video game... In this game a seemingly very masculine prince says he will only agree to help the kingdom of the knight whom stands before him if he kneels and begs for his help, the knight unhesitatingly drops to his knees and respectfully begs the young prince for his aid to which the young prince declares "What is wrong with you?! Have you no pride?!!!" to which the knight responds "None so fragile as to be threatened by so minor an act as this.". I knew immediately upon reading that response that was the kind of man I wanted to be, not the prince but the knight. A man is dedicated to something so much so that he is willing to do whatever it takes to be of service to that cause. Without that we are merely boys, but we are boys because we were born that way or in the words of Tom MacDonald "the indoctrination starts as soon as you come out the womb"... nothing changes the way you are raised and treated except being raised and treated differently. Therefore we are, most of us, just children trying to find a way to be ourselves while still trying to be true to the whole of who we are not merely as male or female but as both (because if either you cannot honor in you then neither will you honor in others, and what you do not honor in others you will dishonor of yourself). Just be respectful and do as you will, wisdom is not a short cut but a long path and all else are just stepping stones getting there (not usually worth dedicating oneself to, so be patient and remember temperance as the knight).
All this being said this will likely be my last comment on this channel, I find that this channel (while helpful over the past few years) is more true to whom I was and not to whom I have become. I thank you Ramsey for your grappling tips because they really helped me in a lot of ways when I needed help most. The rest of you, follow your own path wherever it takes you because ultimately you and only you will have to live with the outcome of it all.
Best wishes. :)
Another awesome video, thanks coach!
This video timing is hilarious I a Maui Thai guy and I just started at a wrestling and jiu jitsu gym Monday
I’m the exact same, muay Thai wanting to start bjj
I guess Mike Tyson is definition of a woman
Apparently
A thavage woman
You have not watched the video
In my school, our women's BJJ class is actually larger than the men's. I contribute it to one of our first coaches being a woman. The women's class is also not integrated with the coed class.
I really like your channel. As a young kid and teenager, I was able to fight very well, instinctively. There were three types of situations where these fights would happen. 1. Two groups of gangs, where threats could happen from many directions. In those days, bringing a weapon was seen as a violation of a masculine honor code, as a result almost nobody brought a weapon, but if they did, time to scatter, if it wasn't a gun. Avoiding knives, chains and bats are skills. Fortunately, I didn't have to face a gun in those circumstances, but have faced guns before. 2. The apparently isolated person that insists on having a fight. This is the most dangerous. Do you take them on as an excellent fighter? With hoodlum gangs in abundance, extreme caution needed to be used. You could be fighting another excellent fighter, setting a trap -- while you engage. Usually, some bs reason for the fight starts and is the clue to clear out, "did you say something to me?" No you answer. "Well I heard you call me @*#&(#" I didn't say anything. By then, if you are not looking for an escape route, you are a fool. With 5 or 6 gang goons closing off both ends of the block, you might not be leaving in good shape. Being on the track team is more important than fight skills. I know because I have been caught before, I have also escaped. 3. Forty sometimes more than a hundred, force a fight, there were strict rules on how the fight would start; knocking a stick off the other person's shoulder or step over the line. There were no rules to the fight except no running from the fight the crowd would beat the living hell out of the runner, and no weapons. Punching, gouging, kicking, kneeing, elbowing, throwing, tripping, anything you could physically do was ok, although biting was frowned on, but bite the hand in your mouth. these were fights to the finish. Somebody had to say they give up, and the fight was immediately over. I would look for an angle, and try to be a lawn mower and strike them down, and if necessary trip or throw them down. These fights could go on for a long time 30 minutes or more. With two "I never give up" types, both would be completely gassed out. I found my best friends that way. The same spirit as the Thrilla in Manilla, without the skill level.
There was budding masculinity, a male honor code, and respect on the street. You felt good, confident and manly. You belonged. You bring up an interesting point about femininity; controlling distance. I understand you, yet there are those who walk other strikers down and destroy them. I learned that the farthest engagement was from striking, and you went after them, sometimes wrestling wouldn't happen. Sometimes only a couple of missed punches would be thrown and wrestling would go on and on. The little wrestling I did was in high school, and the training felt like 400 meter training, total exhaustion.
One thing not brought up is how weapons and guns in particular have feminized what remains of masculinity at least in this country (America). American males have become dangerous, compulsive, impulsive and effeminate, with every pansy armed with a gun, desperate to be dangerous with cowardly power. Many, emboldened by their guns, have become loud, boorish and aggressive. If a country wants to feminize its male population, hand out cocaine and guns, and they'll be sissy fruit ready in a couple of years. I am repulsed by most young American males of today, except those that compete, at least in something. Vidiot games instead of goals and touchdowns, guns instead of fists and throws, body builders (better than nothing!) instead of performance athletes, sloth instead of physical work, entertainment instead of academics. Disgusting.
Was with you till you talked smack about video games
The predators catch their prey to complete them (wolf, lion, etc.), the prey defends itself by hitting the predators (herbivores with horns).
Someone weaker will seek to get away from danger, he will strike.
Someone strong will try to approach, he will grab and be the danger.
The woman is weaker she hits and the stronger man he catches.
Big cats literally “box” with their paws are you kidding me?
Very interesting. Makes sense to me. PS: I always thought you were Canadian for some reason.
I think both are masculine and show different forms. Striking your getting punched and kicked in the face, that's a tremendous amount of fear for the primal part of your brain. To set aside your emotions and think rationally and try and walk forward(like muay Thai) is much more than a wrestling match. That's one of the highest degrees of mental toughness. In your video you spoke about the masculine traits. Strength, physical fitness & hardworking these are all elements of striking. Wake up early, work hard, humble & principled. That's still manly, masculine competition.
That's still traditional traits in my opinion. That's still the capacity to work hard and in many cultures it's the opposite.
The reason wrestlers are tougher than strikers because it's embedded in the school system and in many cultures compared to striking partially due to the safety aspect. Wrestling is much more taxing on our cardio vascular system the striking. Wrestling can be practiced more often due to safety reinforcing that toughness. Thus, more tough wrestlers exist displaying the principles above.
Also wrestling is more ancient that striking resulting in more cultures practicing it and it being more prevalent in rural areas. Striking clubs (high-level ones) are mostly in the city due to it being a more modern martial art thus, you cannot implement the tough farmer work but that mindset is shown in other parts of a striker who lives in the city.
So, its just a lack of examples of the striking toughness vs wrestling toughness, as well as a few other things I mentioned above.
I think Striking and Wrestling show the same toughness just in the different styles. Both are masculine in different ways
What do you think? I really enjoy your videos and they have helped me alot.
Depends on the striking/grappling art too
For example
Muay thai (striking) is very masculine in nature and it can make (some) woman butch.. aikido (grappling) is very feminine, it can make hard aggressive men more softer /graceful
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Many people in these comments are losing the forest for the trees. Especially some women have taken feminine to be an insult when its just a difference. Women and men are complimentary to eachother. Striking and grappling are complimentary to eachother. Some also say it needs to just be kept to yin and yang and not masculine and feminine but yn and yang IS female and male. Thank you for sharing this
In my gym there are many girls in grappling, bjj and wrestling classes, but the boxing class is a room full of men. Being the danger, closing the distance and crushing your opponent is also something you can do in Boxing. Am I right or have I misunderstood what you said?
The best fighters will have both feminine and masculine traits.
This reminds me of the difference, or rather the correct word would be contrast, you had mentioned in a earlier video between "strength" and "yielding", and how both are equally important in martial arts. You need to know when to yield and relax, and when and how to apply strength
Excellent analysis and a philosophical content that i shall pass on to my students for sure. Oddly as may sound today i discovered all my striking has been done with grappling mentality: To negate space, to crush, to overwhelm. And that perhaps is the origin of many flaws and advantages in my past. Anyway, nice chat as always.
I've done both. What gets women to show up is culture. If your boxing gym is full of dudes that spar to the 3rd concussion instead of 3rd round I promise the women are all gonna leave. If you go to a BJJ gym where everyone smokes weed and flow rolls you're gonna get 50% women.
Men tend to stick around in hyper competitive gyms more than women where women in my experience tend to stick around in more "chill" gyms.
Gym culture is what is gonna determine who shows up. Not style.
Pretty much. Keep women at the bars, and men at the gyms. Mixing the two makes both worse.
Ramsey, now you have some of us wondering 💭.. Did you grow up on a farm and have to get up before dawn to do chores when you were growing up in Idaho? Did you actually work on the fields planting and cultivating? Finally, did it ever snow much in your hometown?
My family didn’t own farm land. We very poor. We woke up before dawn to read scriptures and pray together before my mother had to go to work and then I went to seminary before school. We gleaned fields for food. We did farm work when we could find it- digging ditches, trapping gophers, changing sprinkler pipe, shoveling manure, and picking. It snowed a lot every winter, and usually well into the spring.
The background of ocean creatures swimming and the shaolin temple and forests, I feel like Ramsey dewey is on an LSD trip talking about this subject 🤣🤣🤣
Based.... I'm going to my first Wrestling class today :)
Can't hardly wait
Best male strikers are quite feminine. Floyd Mayweather, Anderson Silva, Israel adesanya. I'm not saying they are not masculine but they have a certain flamboyance.
Before watching the video I have noticed that in my gym females do tend to be interested more in the kickboxing than the bjj
I need a sound clip of you saying "Now get out there and train." At louder and louder volume to change up my regular alarm.
I've been slacking off for five days for what I think are valid reasons.
Tell this to any muay thai practitioner and youll see how masculine striking can actually be.
I am a Muay Thai practitioner and retired professional Muay Thai fighter. Feminine ≠ less than.
Some good words to listen to while I prepare myself for work today. I'm gonna give today my best self.
Well, i guess I'm bi
Much of the world seems to be subduing, both traditional masculinity and femininity.
we got more women in the jujitsu classes than the muay thai classes. how how the turn tables.. **Edit bit of a shock hearing youre from idaho, i live in the north bit :D **
Having competed in both, without even watching I can understand the analogy. Love the videos coach 👍️
Our bjj coach has 6 daughters. We have a disproportionate amount of female competitors which has made a bunch of teams train with our gym, which has just been super cool for everybody. As a lighter guy that's had a bunch of really technical people in my weightclass to train with, I'm super lucky to be training where I am.
I think many dislike grappling because they consider it homoerotic. When it was not considered homoerotic by many in the past. Considering it "gay" seems to be within the last 30 years as the culture got more and more pornified.
Man I’m in high school doing martial arts after school helps me a lot with my stress and overthinking
Okay, that's where I thought you were going. I saw the title and immediately thought, "this is a yin yang talk isn't it?"
This is so true. My buddy owned a martial art gym. They offer Taekwondo, Muay Thai, BJJ and MMA. TKD and MT classes have more girls compared to the MMA and BJJ class
This is the best one you've done yet, I subscribed after this one
So how girls grab the hairs and guys punch each others
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@@kylejohnston5007 oh the TH-cam frustated theacher
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@@GatodeUlthar666 Could you repeat that?
Ramsey, I honestly think you made this video just to get the "Grappling is gay" dudes to start grappling! 😆
I train both grappling and striking 50/50 and like them both but c'mon. Don't get me wrong I agree with alot of what you said in this video but something's are just way to out there.
Strikers are not hard working fighters? Have you met Thai (Muay Thai) fighters, or Dutch kickboxers?
And hardworking is more masculine than feminine? I mean we're not talking manual labour here but general hardwork! I don't think gender has something to do with that trait.
Anyway, i always enjoy your videos wether i agree with what you're saying or not. 🙂
Love the shark sneaking up behind Ramsey at about 13:35 ! Shall I strike or grapple or just continue gliding through the water?
Striking is explosive and expansive, inherently yang, and masculine. Catching, controlling and manipulating are inherently yin, and feminine.
Maybe women are more attracted to striking as a subconscious desire for balance.
Ramsey you are great, love your shows always interesting and challenging, keep it up
I think the American style being referred to at 1:30 could be Collar and Elbow Wrestling. Originally an Irish style which was brought over by Irosh immigrants, it was hugely popular in US. Even some presidents trained it.
Interesting. I heard grappling styles especially like judo and ju jutsu were gentle arts because they rely on leverage more than strength which would be interpreted as a feminine quality. Assigning martial art to a gender seems a little too simplistic anyway
"Gentle" is a mistranslation from Japanese to English. The "Ju" in "Judo" and "Jujutsu" means something closer to "yielding". This "yielding" refers to not meeting force with force, but instead meeting force with redirection (ie using an opponent's momentum to perform a throw). There's nothing gentle about joint locks and strangulation.
Women, generally having smaller size and less upperbody strength seek striking as a means to effectively defend against male advantage.
It depends on the kind of boxer. Pressure swarmer style fighters are all about aggression. Fighters like mike tyson. But some outboxing sort of styles that involves keeping distance, jabbing and clinching are definitely effeminate fighting styles. This same dichotomy exists in grappling. With wrestling being more dominant and jiu jitsu being more passive. Probably the martial art with highest percentage of women would be jiu-jitsu.
Dewey, this is your best video topic ever imo. (Fist Bump)
This is not only informative, but inspirational.
1:23 finally somone talked about Shuaijiao, i trained it for 2 years man, so underrated
Kung Fu was the manly tradition of China that was forgotten, curiously it was 80% grappling.
This man is like everyone's favorite uncle, minus the random mixed drinks out of nowhere. 👌
Loved this video, your best yet. Thank you for sharing this wisdom, it was an eye opener.