Book CommuniTEA: Ana Mardoll & Book Twitter [CC]
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Hey hey! This week's #BookCommuniTea is split into 2 and this first part is mainly focused on a relatively popular twitter person and a connection to Lockheed Martin? And Lauren Hough pops up again? And yeah, it's related to the bookish community via book twitter and the discourse that happens there. Let me know your thoughts.
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Girl, I was watching the intro thinking "Jess looks so glowy and pretty, and her hair looks so luscious in this video" and then you said you looked rough. Girl, you look great!
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I am less concerned about Ana's age and where he works as I am the possibility of him catfishing people into donating money when he is financially stable. Essentially lying about his financial situation to garner pity, but also monetary benefit. That's just straight up fraud, and it's cruel to those that thought they had a kinship with you.
My one comfort is that there were probably executives at Lockheed Martin who wanted to know why they were trending on twitter. Some poor benighted social media manager had to explain book twitter to a room full of arms dealers. There are less absurd Monty Python sketches. 🤣
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On behalf of everyone not on Twitter, thank you for your service in breaking down this mess 🙏
I try my best 😊
I am.on Twitter and I still needed help with this 😂 loved the video
This also makes me so thankful that I'm not on Twitter
This is why I tend to distrust people that get on a moral high horse and shout from the rooftops about how moral they are and how "bad" others are. You see this with religious people and politicians and you know they are projecting and covering up for their own moral failings. It's even worse with Internet personas since they have little to no accountability until hackers decide to expose them. You can claim anything you want to be on Twitter and many people will automatically believe you.
Since people pointed out the parallels between religious fanatism and progressivism on the internet, I have a whole new perspective on the latter. Like how "your faves are problematic" and "no person is without sin" sound so much alike and follow the same logic.
I can't explain it as well as others, but that's how I see it now, both may have originally started with good intention but it has deformed since.
@@randomuserwitharandomname6183agreed... eerily similar :/
Maybe if Ana hadn’t put himself in the position as like this spokesperson for morality and ethics, the reaction likely wouldn’t have been as bad. That creates a certain expectation for who you are as a person.
I agree
I feel like a lot of these sjw’s are so quick to shame people for transgressions (half the time they are reaching for the stars) not because they hope to accomplish some good but simply because they want to stir the pot
I feel like that is kinda blaming the victim? Yeah, Ana was very vocal about morality and ethics but he still had to live within the system he was criticising. What was he supposed to do? Starve and die for his beliefs or take a job in a company in order to pay for medical expenses and food and shelter? It's just a complicated moral issue but I feel like saying "well it wouldn't have been so bad if" puts the blame on a person for trying to survive.
@@naomiskilling1093 sure, but Ana also made the decision to come down hard on people who didn't live up to the same standards he espoused. It's less a comment on "we all have to make compromises because we live in a flawed society" and more a comment on Ana's moral rigidity being something even he couldn't live up to. The truth is in your comment you're showing him more grace and empathy than he would show for others in the exact same scenario
@@naomiskilling1093 if you’re a hypocrite, people have the right to point that out
Honestly, like, I won't even get on the morality of working somewhere like Lockheed Martin and all that (bc I think it's a complicated subject)... BUT, as someone from the global south it was WILD to read some takes on this fight acting like the lives of people from the global south have less value than a marginalized person from the US or like we are just a fictional construct invented out of thin air
This is what got me too. Like I can understand all points of view and extend grace to people having to work awful places to survive. But people affected by those places have the right to criticize that career choice. And then other authors on twitter turned around and started saying how the lives of Americans are worth more than: hypothetical brown people. And haha just lost it as someone from a country that is very much affected by the USA's military
Honestly in a lot of ways the american wokeness convo sometimes seems to act as if the issues in america are THE issues and whatever is going on elsewhere is at best just, like, fodder to _support_ the arguments made for the US context, and not worthy for their own sake. Disappointing.
The Ana Mardoll stuff has been really interesting and confusing. I've followed Ana on twitter for a long time. He did a lot of great threads about a number of issues but also said stuff I disagreed with. He did ask for money fairly often for multiple different things, which I think is what makes this Lockheed Martin thing really bad. I get having to work at places you don't morally agree with but to have all that money, own property, and be asking the specific community he curated (which was generally poor, disabled, queer folk) to give you money is a whole other kettle of fish. That's what's unforgivable to me. It was also a huge surprise to find out he is nearing 40 years old when I felt like he definitely deliberately gave off the impression he was young and vulnerable. (I also have had issue with his avatar for a long time because I thought it made him look Asian but he's a white man and that always made me feel uncomfortable but idk).
I hate how we found out this information (K*wi F*rm is a right wing site that dedicates itself to doxing vulnerable people from minority communities) but I am glad we found out because he was asking for money frequently from people who really needed that money when he didn't.
His parents ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE these claims are exaggerated, however he at some point got the house via divorce so not in a terrible position. I don't have much empathy for someone with little physical money but a lot in assets but people have taken a blog from ten years ago as proof of his self confessed privileged life. HE WASN'T OUT YET!!!
Pisses me off as someone estranged from family. Apparently the parents are homophobic and transphobic and against his current relationship with a trans man, I think he's well off but he doesn't likely have family support.
@@siginotmylastname3969 I didn’t realise the house was via divorce, all I’ve seen is that it was given to him. That’s what I mean by it’s confusing as I knew he didn’t have the best relationship with his parents then all this comes out about what he’s got from them but because all the information is from KF I haven’t actually seen anything firsthand. Thanks for clarifying.
@@eyreheadrebekah yeah this is why I really think most people shouldn't talk about it. Since there's so much malice around the doing we really can't separate the truth from lies. I'm gonna delete a load of comments cause this whole thing gets us feeling bad, but I hope this was useful and not annoying to anyone.
@@siginotmylastname3969 well his 40 how supportive does he need his parents to be after they got him into a company that pays like six figures. he took money from people who said that they were on welfare.
I always thought Ana was in his late 20s or early 30s at MOST. I’ve followed him since tumblr and then followed to Twitter, so hearing all of this is kind of sad to me.
As a disabled person, apart of the disabled community on Twitter, this upset a lot of people. This company, is pretty close to where I live, and I know they pay is pretty good. What I hate the most is they were asking for donations at one point, then stated a few months later that him, and his partner, were well off. So that rubbed me the wrong way. Especially when most of us, in the disabled community, are poor, but we are always willing to back each other up.
I think anyone can write but not everyone can write well. In my opinion, someone who doesn't read AT ALL cannot be a good writer; a part of learning to write and honing your craft is reading books within your genre. Whilst practising writing is the more important aspect, it doesn't negate the importance of reading too.
Not reading a lot is a whole other thing, though.
Don't really have anything to add but quitting twitter has brought me so much peace, lol. But I hope people remember that being a member of a marginalized community does not mean that you cannot harm that community or that you even have their best interests in mind when advocating (or claiming to) for them. I also wish folks would talk more about the fact that access to comfort, money, and safety is a strong incentive to profess one belief in public (or present a certain image) while privately engaging or living in a way that doesn't threaten access to those things even if it goes against the morals/beliefs you claim to have.
I agree with this 100% also same about Twitter. I deleted mine.
i mean some of the greatest examples of this we see every day in the women and poc of the republican party who go out of their way to insist that the groups they are a part of are whiny complainers. and then help pass laws explicitly hurting those groups. seems to me like there is nothing money won't drive people to do.
I have work jobs for companies that I don't necessarily agree with morally bit as an adult living in the US alot of people work where they need to to survive.
Now pretending(possibly) to be poor and taking money from people online and pretending to be something your not is pretty scammy.
I completely agree. If you have to work at a company you don’t agree with to live and have health care then you do what you have to do. But for you to pretend to be someone you are not is something completely different
Agreed. I can understand working for an unsavory co. for health benefits. But he's been pretending to poor in ways he is not, begging for $ from vulnerable people. VERY unethical. also being 40 & giving out the impression he's a teen/early 20s also seems very odd, if not also part of the scam.
But he didn’t HAVE to work there. He’s literally a nepotism hire and stayed there for 15 years. There are more options out there than working for an arms company that bombs children…
@@alyssaclark6690 so like I'm grew up in a town where 90% if the job opportunities are defense contractors in my home town and even though ppl morally object there's almost no way around it back home so I have some empathy I was able to move but not everyone is that lucky. And most people have families working for these companies and can't avoid it. But idk this person's background I just know I'm a little nice bc of my own bias.
I do not for one minute buy the notion that this person's options are either to work a very well-paying job in the weapons industry or starve to death in the streets, especially for someone with 15+ years experience in software engineering. This is the first thing people need to get straight in my opinion. It feels very infantilizing.
certainly in this era of booming work-from-home options, especially for those in tech, it feels like even with the disadvantages of disability it should be possible to find ONE other less evil job.
Jess, you are NOT looking rough! The minute the video started all I could think was you're rocking some Queen Viola Davis hair today!
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I will seldom ever fault a disabled person for working at a shitty company especially one that pays them well, has health benefits that are otherwise unable to attain and goes above and beyond accommodating them. That is a very rare situation to find yourself in if you are disabled. We are less likely to be hired for jobs even if we are qualified and even if we are hired we are discriminated against and often the health benefits received are not ideal. You can lose benefits through the government if you have a job and so it is a gamble.
HOWEVER; in this case Ana has crossed the line so many times the line is now gone. Lying about being poor and taking money from actual poor people on limited income is vile. Many if not all disabled people who are on welfare or some kind of government assistance will barely get enough money to last them the month (and we have a limit on how much we are allowed to have in savings) and so for them to try to help someone who they thought was struggling only for Ana to be quite wealthy is just.....awful.
He is in a position of extreme financial privilege to not only have saved a ton of money (enough to afford an expensive house) but to also have a family that appears to be well off as well. That does not erase his struggles as a disabled person but it does take him out of the category as someone who needed that job to survive.
I think my attitude here is, as ye judge, so shall ye be judged.
I realize that life is complicated and that sometimes people (especially marginalized or vulnerable ones) have to make painful or icky compromises in order to get by. None of us is getting into The Good Place.
I'll tend to be much more forgiving of a person who has historically shown others appropriate empathy and grace and is generally honest about their shortcomings and flaws and the compromises they've had to make than someone who has presented themselves as a guru, prophet, or saint and has tended to lecture others from on high.
as someone who had been looking for a job in the federal government and only just now got a tentative offer from the DoD, this sums up my feelings extremely well. like i fucking hate that if i, an nb black disabled person, have to resort to a job im morally opposed to bc the system has made it by design that i cant work anywhere else and live as comfortably, im going to be permanently, implicitly associated with people like ana mardoll. like he actively chose to stay at the Murder Factory among everything else shitty he did, im doing it to avoid starving to death and support my real passions, i dont want to feel like im in the same league
As an author, the original tweet basically saying he was a writer who didn’t read made me so rage-y, because I can’t tell you how many people have come up to me, saying “I don’t really read but I know I could write a book.”
Literacy is indeed a privilege, but writing is still a craft that must be studied and learned. Brandon is a Booker-shortlisted author who has clearly done this and also tweets lovely nuanced stuff about many other authors.
I don’t judge Ana for his job, but I do judge him for being a non-reader who was so judgmental about books he apparently didn’t read.
Don’t give money to anonymous people online. Ever. 😬
Plus, the original tweet thread Ana was reacting to was just about comps and marketing in publishing! And yeah it was a little abrasive, but the OP said you don’t even have to read the comps, just go by summaries. So Ana’s tweet was just… unnecessary? Sigh.
@@scoutz0rs yeah, basically Ana was making a legit debate about querying all about him.
"this appearance is rough" as you point to your banging voluminous puff lol, your hair looks so good and healthy
Very fun and interesting fact: Zareefa Jan created her own language made of circles to write her poetry, she never went to school, and never learnt how to read. She is the only one, who can decipher her code. :-)
As a disabled person, who does struggle with insurance and such. I think you said it exactly. It's nuanced. I can understand having that kind of job. But for 15 years? You never looked for another job, even after the lockdown trying to find remote work? But I know the struggle of having to choose between a job that gives you the time off you need/the shorter work week you require for your disability, and one that gives you health insurance. So one that gives you both... it's hard to leave that. But I would still be LOOKING to leave if I worked for a company that so massively was against my morals.
I am so happy to have all this mess in one place cause I was very lost on twitter trying to figure out what was happening lol
I do my best
I had no clue who was involved I just saw the Lockhead Martin going around my timeline and was so confused. 😂
100% I have like no sympathy for him at all. I remember his twitter threads and whilst they may have gotten more reasonable since I stopped paying attention to book twitter he was always one of those people who had no nuance in his accusations for people imo so it's hilarious to see it coming back to him tenfold
This. Life is messy and complicated and so are good books, and the worst part of Twitter is when people trash others as if it’s simple.
Me trying to get in and compliments you on this gorgeous goddess of a pony puff! I love it so much! Will fight anyone who disagrees with its fabulousness 🙌🏼💯🥊
Thank you 🥹🥹
Girl, the hair just shows us that your human just like us behind the screen. But also your beautiful 😍 sooo if anyone hating on it, is just jealous.
Reader and writer here. This might be a hot take, but if you want to write well, you should read and you have to prioritize that as much as you would writing your story/poem/piece. It's not easy (especially if it's not your job). And you can go long stretches between writing or reading and it's still fine--but to reading is part of maintaining and improving your writing craft. This can include audio books, and may include watching screenplays/movies/tv shows if you write that kind of entertainment (still better if you can watch a production while comparing the dialogue and stage direction as written at the same time).
I don't really understand how it's ablist to say this. If you want to write and can't read or listen to audio books, it seems like you might want a ghost writer to help you or maybe you'd want to explore another medium that might be awesome for the story you want to tell.
As far as the work thing, there are legitimate security reason for Ana to not discuss they work for that company. Part of the security clearance training that they would have had to do every year would have included encouraging discretion on discussing any aspect of their work AND suggests anyone who asks questions about it might be trying to steal secrets.
Also of course you can work for gay rights and protections and maybe be stuck working at a Hobby Lobby or Chick'fillet. Now it might be a little different if you're the CEO of the company but it doesn't really sound like Ana is very high up in the chain of command. A temp 20-30hr week job working remotely checking code isn't much higher up in the chain of command than like a shift lead or maybe assistant manager of a store. And like that shift lead has very little ethical retail jobs they can work the same might be true for a part -time person in Ana's field.
bruh, this whole story was wild
To a lot of people social activism is nothing but a performative online trend that generates clout/views/clicks and social capital within these platforms, that are themselves part of the problem.
For anyone disappointed in this whole thing, activism should be something that informs your views and values, BUT it's also being able to understand your own personal RESPONSABILITY and failures. No one should be held accountable to impossible standards set by some stranger on the internet, but you should always question your own role in the issues being discussed, and your source of information should never be randoms on twitter/tikok/etc.
Yeah it’s sad that a lot of people’s activism is done online and to impress others 😩
I am a software engineer with about 10 years experience and I make about $50/hr. I also used to live in the DC metro area where Lockheed is located. Given what I know about the area, the company, the job, I would estimate that Ana makes around the same as me, probably more with more experience. If he worked 20-30 hours a week, he is making at minimum $1,000 to $1,500 a week. I don't know about his disability or medical costs but anyone that makes minimum wage will tell you that's not poverty.
If his parents bought him the house and it's in their name then it's really not his asset, but if he's not paying them rent for it or anything like that, that's a big chunk of change he gets to keep in his pocket. However, I don't really know how that can be true _and_ the reports that he recently sold his house.
He apparently works 10-20hrs part time from home. Not an engineer(so far as we believe) but software licensing? We've seen it claimed he's an engineer but someone said they based it on people with different names(replying to the attempted dox lite I guess) so not sure how solid the link is and so we distrust it.
@@siginotmylastname3969 in his own tweet he said software licensing which generally is under the same… idk department structure or whatever. google says the national average is $40/hr but it’s a big company in an expensive area so they will pay more than that.
IDK where Mardoll worked but Lockheed has locations in multiple states including Colorado and Texas so could have been areas with cheaper costs of living
@@BookChats that’s true, I thought Jess mentioned the location but I rewatched and she only said Bethesda when she was giving an overview of Lockheed not anything about Ana
In regards to the ableism and reading thing. I think it's important to note that being able to read, having reading come easily to you, and enjoying reading are three separate things. (There are fast readers who don't find reading fun, and there are kids who can't read but love being read to.) I agree that if you read more you'll become a better writer, but I also think that there are barriers to reading that a lot of people (writers included) have and people shouldn't be shamed because of the barriers they have. In some ways, technology has made reading more accessible (e-readers with dsylexia-friendly fonts, audiobooks more common, etc.) but that doesn't mean that it's accessible for everyone, and accessibility makes things significantly easier for a lot of people but doesn't necessarily make things easy for everyone. You can enjoy reading and writing and still find it harder than most people do because of dyslexia or dysgraphia or something else. Difficulty and enjoyment aren't always linked in my opinion, and finding it difficult to read as a writer doesn't mean you disrespect other writers or don't appreciate the craft, it's just that you have extra barriers.
Thank you 💜
There have been some great comments already about authors that don't or can't read. I'd just like to add that "can't" doesn't necessarily have to imply a physical inability. I'd bet some authors don't/can't read for pleasure because of depression or other mental health issues for example, but they can still write because that's their job. Kind of like how I'm an English teacher who read all of four books for pleasure in 2018 because I was completely burned out, but I still did my job because I didn't have a choice not to.
Oh because of depression or mental illness, didn’t think of that. Thank you
But is it ableist to say people who don't read don't make for good writers? He was casting harmful intent unto a general statement about how important reading is to* the way a writer engages with their writing. Adding nuance to that statement is definitely an important conversation to have but not in the inflammatory way Ana did.
@@h.i.m.3200 Oh, I wasn't trying to defend Ana at all! I was just answering the question Jess posed in the video about how it might be possible for someone to be able to write but not read.
I will say, I think discussing the importance of reading in regards to writing (or just in general even) is not inherently ableist. Stating categorically that someone who doesn't read very much must definitely be a bad writer, could be considered ableist though. I'm not saying anyone did say that, maybe that was just Ana's bad faith interpretation of the discussion, but regardless it's a statement I wouldn't agree with.
I had no idea this is why Lockheed Martin was trending. Figures it leads back to the messy book community lol
I have THOUGHTS about working for a system that's terrible. I'll just simply say that this world sucks, and we're all cogs in a system that only rewards the 1%. And I wish the aliens would come.
It always leads back to us 😂
As a trans guy, the amount of transphobic trans people I see makes me want to scream. So yes you could be non binary and transphobic. But thank you for doing this video, I’m just too tired to be able to care much about the book community anymore so I truly appreciate (and don’t envy) you doing these videos. I’m sorry you’re living in Louisiana and hope your situation changes soon. Also you always look beautiful in your videos 💜
Exactly, transphobia is one of those systemically learned things even as trans people we need to unlearn.
I understand that people need to do what they got to do to survive even working in an unethical company. However, "being understanding to yourself" and playing this holier than thou persona online, even carrying witchhunts and not accepting people's imperfections is the worst.
And to top it all the person had a face icon hinting at someone in their 20s, which gave his struggles more weight and had him taking money from people who are not doing that well by themselves but who would give money to someone they related with.
Overall a huge mess of a person nd the personification of the worst of occidental leftists,.self absorbed, pick and choosing their fights nd thriving on people's misery.
The avatar/icon thing is so odd to me
Oh, not on book twitter, much, but on disabled Twitter and saw this, and have known of him through this channel and disabled Twitter. I have known terrible people who have made amazing points. (like my ex , lol). I think you can still appreciate the points he made while still being upset at him.
Thanks for clarifying a lot of the info on the Ana Mardoll situation, because this makes me feel a lot better about the whole thing. I am a disabled person, and I'm also the primary breadwinner for my family and a leftist/anarchist. However, needing to provide for my family, I take whatever jobI can get, and I could see myself in a situation where I had ended up taking another path and working for the military or the feds. It wouldn't have changed my ideals, it literally would only change the amount of debt I'm currently in. So it was really frustrating to me when the main focus of the whole situation seemed to be Ana working for Lockheed Martin. You focusing more on the crowdfunding aspect and the house does feel more like where the actual hypocrisy and shittiness lies, so I definitely thank you for that, because the discourse being, "you can't work for an evil megacorp and still be fighting for human rights," just really feels like it lacks nuance especially for a queer disabled person.
I can only say this, if you don't have twitter and tiktok and the like you also don't get involved in drama like this. It's very peaceful 😅
As a trans black Brazilian I really don't feel anything for first world people who work in machineries of death. I don't tolerate people who become cops here and I don't tolerate it abroad. Also LM actually provides police in the UK and US with surveillance systems and technology that helps police harm black people domestically. So even if someone didn't care about the third world (racist) you would have to admit that you also don't care about black people in the first world (racist!) So I hate this entire discussion!!
Cops are the worst.
Tbh the first thing I thought when I started this was "That hair is stunning." I really love that style (even if you think it's a big old mess)
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Innnnteresting. I’m kind of sick of the watch dog archetype myself. And listen, I’ve been poor and I’ve been scared about health insurance … but I’m also early in my career and don’t own my home. So predatory and strange. Seems pretty damning to me.
Ana Mardoll and Lauren Hough is a real case of "whoever wins, we lose." This whole thing was an absolute mess, thank you for wading through it to provide some kind of coherent summary.
All other issues aside, I *can* kind of see the whole reading/ableism thing, as it was kind of blown out of proportion and misquoted/taken out of context. How often does some rando come out of the woodwork to say audiobooks aren’t reading? And regardless of the reality of Ana’s situation, there are people who resonated with that statement for whatever reason, because disability impacted the *way* they read or engage with stories.
And *of course* Lauren Hough comes back! 🤦🏻♀️ Someone needs to tell her that this turn of events doesn’t redeem her and Sandra, since Ana wasn’t the only one critiquing Sandra’s book (at least not the concept), and Lauren also got into her own mess all on her own.
Gurl , your skin is legit glowing !! as far as the question about working for a company that I don't morally agree with goes..... I'm not too rigid with my beliefs but when I know for once if something is wrong I don't go near it so I wouldn't work for any company that I don't morally agree with. I mean l'll be a hypocrite if I do and I despise hypocrites.
PCSing to a new base after falling in love with your previous location is always really hard, especially going from Europe back to the States!!! Going back stateside was my hardest move lol I feel you
Skin is ✨GLOWING✨. These stories are wild
I think you can be a writer and not read but I don't think you can be a great writer without reading. As for the job situation it is tough. More and more jobs are offering online work and if I HAD to work for a company I found morally reprehensible I would constantly be looking for something new.
Reading is inhaling. Writing is exhaling.
THANK YOU JESS Even knowing some stuff already, this rabbit hole was too deep to go down myself
Twas a mess 😂
I applied for a few jobs at Lockheed Martin years ago when I graduated college. Where I went to school they had a large presence so a LOT of people I knew applied or worked there. They were one of the largest companies to apply for in the area for business, tech, and engineering jobs. Being a nepo baby there, idk if he can claim the same ignorance, but a lot of people I know who applied (myself included) didn't really know what the company did as a whole. They don't exactly plaster signs saying "Work for us! We make bombs!" A lot of it was normal office environment roles and some didn't require a security clearance or anything. For one of the positions I applied for, I got past the phone interview stages and interviewed in person in one of the offices. Everything I was told and everything I saw around the office building was focused on the aerospace side of things and that location was one of the ones that didn't require a security clearance. (I didn't get the job). For a long time after I thought they JUST made aircraft for the military. I think it would be so easy to work there and not associate your crunching numbers or whatever with arms sales in Isreal.
So in general, I think you could work for them and still have liberal ideas and viewpoints. But, I think its hypocritical if you are constantly online portraying yourself as this extreme SJW. Because while it's easy to be ignorant, he portrayed himself exactly as the type to not be ignorant of what working there means. And with 15 years working there and his family working there even longer, I doubt he just thought they made aircrafts.
I think begging for money online is kind of scummy anyway. Maybe in certain specific situations, it's okay, but in general, I really don't like it. Assuming (since he works with them) he is still in touch with his family, that's who he should be asking for money if he needs it. Not manipulating people and implying that he is poorer than he is online so that people who don't have enough as it is, give money to him. Because even at a part-time salary, he likely has a lot more money and financial stability than the people he is getting money from. It's gross. It's exactly why I really don't like when people ask for money online with a sob story. I hate to be cynical, but it's so easy for people to play up how bad it is to get more money from people. And I really think that those with the least to give are often the ones who fall for it and scrape together the funds to help out. And that breaks my heart. I don't see things like Patreon and Ko-Fi in the same way. I think someone who is really struggling financially is less likely to stretch themself to support a creator on Patreon on Ko-Fi just because. But that same person, seeing that same creator saying they can't afford their groceries or cat food is a lot more likely to stretch themselves financially to try to help the creator out. It's so manipulative. If he only was like "hey, if you like what I do, consider tossing me some coins," that would be completely different.
A bunch of folks have already said it, but thank you for taking the time to compile all this. I love hearing about it all and don’t have a Twitter.
Also, you were glowing in the video for sure! I’m only just now at the ripe age of 32 taking care of my face! I love all your products. (:
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“we have some mess” this is the only way to put it
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I hope it’s okay that I explain a bit more on the first point - the ableism part. I hesitated about sharing just because of the whole Ana thing. I was diagnosed with learning disorders first in the 4the grade. Basically I have a language and auditory processing disorder and ADHD.
Growing up I was the poster child of a writer who couldn’t read. Basically my disorder makes it so my brain can’t always process the words I’m seeing (or hearing). It becomes just a jumble of letters. It made reading a nightmare so I didn’t actually start reading until 6th grade. I knew the words, could use them, but my brain struggles to process what it’s seeing. Sounding it out with English language is hell because the rules don’t apply 99% of the time. But I loved stories and as someone who coped by maladaptive daydreaming with these and other issues.
It’s important to remember that there’s more accessibility aids than ever. I now read and write constantly (though my brain still struggles to understand words it sees despite being simple). Spell check is huge because again, my brain struggles with spelling. There’s now note taking apps that allow you to record your speech into texts. There are audiobooks and apps that say texts instead of forcing you to read them. We live in a time that makes it so much easier. Mind you, my writing is the reason I can read. If I hadn’t been obsessed with stories, I wouldn’t have gotten this far.
As for ADHD - I want to be reading all day every day. But my brain literally won’t let me some days. I can’t process what I’m seeing and my brain is running too fast for me to do so. I’ve had days I’d cried because it’s what I want to do, but simply can’t. It’s why I love audiobooks.
The world isn’t so cut and dry. So it sucked to see those comments from people and authors I love in disability awareness month of all times.
I don’t really talk on this issue often because I was first bullied by peers over the fact I couldn’t read and often cried in class when it was often time to read aloud because I knew it would lead to more bullying. Every. Time. And my family from day one has made it clear I need to mask at all times. That if people find out they won’t like me or take away opportunities from me (which a few college professors did just that). I hope this helps some for people who are confused. It’s understandable because unless you experience it, you really don’t know. And thank you for actually asking questions instead of blanketing on with this issue. Honestly why you’re one of my favorite TH-camrs. 🖤
Thank you for sharing your experience, this is really powerful
I find the Lockheed Martin outrage and the donation scamming as two different issues. Ana would not be the first to work for one place and have a social media account that would show different values. Such an account can feel like a safe space to express themselves authentically when they can’t 20-40 hours a week otherwise. The fact that its Lockheed…well show me a tech company that doesn’t have contracts or funding of some kind from DoD? The donation scamming, to me, is the larger offense by far! When someone starts taking money that they don’t actually need from struggling individuals that’s heinous. And transparency about financial situation should be expected.
writing is an art. art takes time and work. that work requires reading. if you can't read that's fine but admit that you are a hobbyist not an author.
kiwifarms is a far right site involved in the doxxing and harassment of many prominent leftist figures. the most notable one I can think of is Peter Coffin (they/them but might be any/all rn they switch it often) who they accused of faking their whole entire wife, calling her and their children really lifelike animatronics. they are insane.
I don't condone the harassment nor the doxxing but I'm not buying into the fruit of the poisoned tree argument. regardless of where the information came from, working for lookheed martin, working in a position that aids in imperialism even if it doesn't directly do imperialism is despicable and inexcusable.
I know it’s hard bc america is expensive but maybe it’s not best to be a public figure who is outspoken about this stuff if you have to work there ? Idk the answer 😩
@@JessOwens also being a legacy hire... and working there for 15 whole years, like? 15 years and you couldn’t find another job that didn't aid the kiddy killing machine? okay 🤨
@@nina7910 no literally like... it's 10x easier to get a job when you have one and surely he could've found a new job ??
I always love your Book CommuniTEA videos! You always bring to light/discuss important things that I’m normally not aware of because I don’t have Twitter. So thank you discussing these things with us so we all can be more aware/informed! 😊
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wow, what a wild show. It's hard to fall any one side of this due to having no idea about any of these people. I have many thoughts but without knowing the facts in real time, it's hard to not land right in the middle for me. The internet is a very hard place to have real conversations I feel. I can see that MANY people are rightly hurt and need to be able to express that hurt. Often every situation is more nuanced than the internet allows and that can definitely muddy the information. Thanks for deep diving, it was an interesting journey, that allows for a lot of potential conversations...even if it only with ourself.
I'm also from Louisiana and have recently moved back to the deep South from the PNW. Your candor about your move to LA was much appreciated. Lastly, I am obsessed with white boards and visual aids too! Glad I discovered your channel
I've read Ana's stuff for a long time, probably over a decade. Ever since he was posting Twilight breakdowns and deconstructions on a blog in the early 2010s. He spoke candidly at that time about his health problems and family struggles but never ever asked for money. If it evolved into a grift, I'm not the one to be able to say. I also never gave him any money, so it's not my place to feel betrayed or to offer or deny forgiveness for it.
The problem I have with the whole situation is the doxxing. If it is credible that he has all this money and still has been begging the least among us for support, then that says something about his character. But I can't support doxxing or endangering another human being, even if they're shitty.
Thank you for this! I've seen so many subtweets about Ana and I had no idea it was about him or what the issue was, though I did think the lack of his tweets on my timeline kind of odd.
WRT the ethics of consumption under capitalism thing, that usually concerns issues such as people on low wages buying clothes from fast fashion chains etc, not rich people who work for corporations who have literally made money off of war crimes. By conflating the two, it only harms the former whilst emboldining the latter. Also Ana working at Lockheed Martin for 15 years means that he has at least played some role himself in war crimes committed by the US military in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan.
I think this is an example of how focusing on certain social issues is often used as a mechanism for white liberals to distract from their contribution to worldwide harm by continuing to uphold oppressive structures such as the military industrial complex. (sorry this comment is long lol)
With donations, I'm more likely to help out people who get retweeted by people I already trust. As for following this entire mess, I set a time limit on my phone for all of my social media use to 30 minutes per day. I had no idea all of the Lockheed Martin tweets I saw from non book Twitter people I follow were about Ana Mardoll. Excellent video, as always!
Oh my gosh I had no idea about any of this!! Yes, it makes me so sad and angry thinking about people who didn’t have any extra still giving what little they have to someone who doesn’t need it
FINALLY, THE SKIN CARE ROUTINE WITH PRODUCTS!!! Thank you so much for this, stay blessed, hydrated and moisturised!
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Beautifully handled commentary, Jess!! thanks for recapping everything.
I can't get enough of this particular drama so thank you for making a video.
I feel so blessed every time I see a notification for Bookcommunitea!
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JESS HAS GIFTED US ANOTHER BOOK COMMUNITEAAAAAA!
your skin and your hair are looking healthyyyyy omg you look great! I’m sorry you don’t feel great 🥺 But I just wanted you to know that you look AMAZING 🫶🏿
Wow that whole story is... a lot... lol. I have thoughts but not the words to put them into place. Thanks for keeping us up to date on book twitter drama even through your travels!
Having worked for non ethical big businesses, non-profits, & municipalities, while being a very vocal activist for employee rights, human rights, & changing systems of oppression, it is possible to try to make changes within structures.
It does not inherently make one a hypocrit.
I have been fired for speaking up for coworkers in management meetings & in spaces I only had access to because of my role as an admin. Being the voice for the people.
Changing culture from the inside, while caring for ones own needs (& family) is something many people do.
Additionally, I don't know the people discussed in this video & am not on Twitter, so I am not speaking about what they did or their motivations. I am simply speaking to how there is more than one way to inact changes in our society.
Thank you for a great video, especially in the heat! 💜🙌🏾🌈✊🏾💜
Girl, I wish I looked as rough as you on my good days! You are gorgeous :) And as always, a big thank you for keeping me update on all the things I didn't know I needed to know 😂🖤
GLOWING GIRL! Thanks for this breakdown of the mess!
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Gah I have so many thoughts but also my mind is just 🤯
The real important thing though: I THOUGHT YOUR SKIN WAS GLOWING THIS WHOLE VIDEO SO I’M SO GLAD YOU SHARED EVERYTHING YOU USE AT THE END 💖
Never in my life did I think someone who takes on social issues would be such an insane hypocrite! Like ARMS DEALING?!
This whole situation is a terrible mess and I can’t help but feel bad for everyone involved, even Ana. No one deserves to get doxxed, period.
My only experience with someone arguing that you don’t need to be a reader to be a writer was with a younger guy classmate who avowedly believed that he improved a lot the year he only wrote and didn’t read at all, and seemed to also believe that he could (in isolation) come up with completely new concepts; I just kept thinking like, how could you possibly know?
The next day in class we were discussing a book (a really neat experimental work by a black woman, Our Sister Killjoy) and the way the author was experimenting and pushing boundaries as pushback and the professor asked in general if the class thought the author was successful. So this guy, of course, raised his hand and eventually got to the point that he didn’t think she had been. The teacher, a fabulous lady, looked him in the eye and asked what she could have done differently to succeed. And the guy just kind of gaped. Had no answer. I could have done a jig.
The original Lauren Hough debacle is how I first found your channel, so I feel like we've come full circle 😂
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Hugs from Texas. We've got this. It is really discouraging sometimes, but we are nowhere near alone.
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Nice little surprise at the end of the video. And Yess your skin is glowing !!
Girl I feel you. Do not miss the south or the heat and humidity
Your hair is fabulous!😀 And huge thanks for breaking all this down.
As for the main story, the whole situation really makes you raise your level of skepticism. Also loved the bonus skincare content at the end! Maybe it's time for me to get back into Paula's Choice and Korean skincare products lmao.
Yesss Paula and K Beauty are the it girls
I have zero idea about any of this situation or the people involved but a question came to my head …Why is panhandling on the internet acceptable and (most) people turn the other way to people on the streets?
Nah the same people are likely to donate to both. Us and our family are, we've donated online and drawn out money for people on the streets(also gone shopping for things one asked for).
Online, distance doesn't matter. You can't see all the idk people from new York avoiding a fundraiser because some aussies, Indians, South Africans, literally anyone across the world who considers it will just replace them. In person, noone travels across the world to give money when others are side eyeing a homeless person.
In both cases it's also minorities donating mostly. And in both cases it's not enough people.
I don't think it's fair to question asking for money because of those that abuse it. Even the ideas spread about frauds miss complexity of someone's reasons. We helped someone who was eventually caught out lying about why she needed money all the time. Everyone in family agreed it's probably connected to attacks in her home and possibly a loanshark. We just wanted her to be honest and haven't pulled support but put our own boundaries up about wanting receipts/more reasonably timed calls (she'd ask for money at 2-3am). Unfortunately she was unwilling to follow those boundaries and just stopped contacting us but we don't have the power to solve all her problems anyway. Still, her behaviour is understandable for her situation. And if she's able to be honest and approaches us again we'd continue to do our best.
It's worth not losing your trust in humanity. I know Ana's case is not like this but many people are acting out of survival and that's not always pretty.
Very interesting question bc if definitely is normalized online
Welcome home, glad you’re safe!
I’m in Louisiana too, I feel your pain 💜
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My cousin moved from NY to LA about 13 years ago and I go and visit every few years. I don't visit between May -September , as I wouldn't survive the swamp ass 🤣 Good luck to you!
I actually work for a similar company to Lockhead Martin; however, I work in the tech branch and what I actually do is related to wireless services, ensuring when natural disasters happen cell services aren’t knocked out and people can get into contact with help. I didn’t actually know about all the military involvement until after I started working there, and while I am not supportive of the arms sector of my company, I feel better about what I do now than when I was working for a hospital that was screwing over it’s employees and patients and stealing money.
sending you love! Louisiana humidity is no joke
The way people think oppressed groups can't be vile is wild tbh. First mistake is twitter, the idea that people think that you're X-phobic because you don't agree with a single tweet. Bless anyone who still uses Twitter as a positive space.
Watched the your LH video before this one. Lauren Hough's letter about Ana is the spiderman meme.
There’s a lot of great history & food scene is great out there. I always wanted to go to Essence Fest.
your skin looks amazing
thank you so much for making this video, i was very lost on the discourse happening over on twt 😭 also you asked for our opinion over the ethics of working for a place with “bad” morals and for me it depends on the case? you mentioned chick-fil-a and walmart but usually people who work there are “marginalized” people so yeah they need a job and they have other worries to deal with. as for ana, it seems that he’d been working at LM for a long time and not in a marginalized position at all so yeah i feel it’s shitty of him to defend the things he did while still work and take money and contribute to a company that actively harms and ends peoples lives.
The job situation is so tough. And yeah often it’s people in marginalized communities who are stuck working for the huge chain, i just don’t know 😫
Wishing you only the greatest every day! Sending you all the loving & supportive energy! You are glorious & amazing! I love you!
Oof back in the east coast in August? The humidity is eating us up welcome to the club 😭
Imagine in the morning your telling your boss you closed a 10k deal for weapons to the Israeli government and in the afternoon your tweeting freepalestin that’s some serious cognitive dissonance. No one is forcing Ana to work there I’m certain with his level of connections he would be able to find a job somewhere else. Asking for money when you don’t need it is gross
I dont follow him bec. I dont hang out in these circles but I dont buy Lauren's narrative in its entirety. I did see Ana being harassed by people for existing basically. It's clear, that a lot of people have it for him for hateful reasons. People, who keep using their identities as a shield against criticism.
I'm not sure about Ana being wealthy, not being trans, being supported by his parents or all Lauren had to say about him bec. I dont understand, where she is taking her information from. Am I supposed to believe her at face value?
I dont have much of an opinion about White Leftism as an online performance. People keep saying, that organising is where change happens and I've been trying to follow and support more organisers.
Yeah Lauren has a grudge for sure ! But there’s other people saying some of the same stuff so I’m like I don’t know
some people dictate to a scribe to write books. not super common but it does happen.
I'm your state neighbor over here in Texas.
I wish us some cooler weather soon lol
Omg please, I am melting 😩
i barely pay attention to booktube but when i do, it's here! i love that you cover so much industry 'drama'. keep trucking
My mom worked for smaller companies similar to LM. She did mostly soldering. Most of her coworkers were immigrants and refugees that didn't have college educations and their English wasn't very good. They made parts for airliners (boeing), NASA, & the military. Depending on who won an election & current world affairs affected what contracts they got. My mom was proud of her work for NASA. As for the military work, that ranged from the mechanism that helped pilots eject from a jet, to stuff in weapons. (George Lopez show had a similar job.) The people who worked with my mom, many had kids in the military, and saw their job as a way to protect their kids and give back to the country that had taken them in. Anyway, those are my two cents. My mom is retired now. Her company was sold and no one wanted to hire her, so she decided to stop looking after 4 years of searching & getting 2 month contracts occasionally.
I don't care to comment on any specific people, but from a disability advocacy angle, I think it's helpful to imagine a "writer" being a broad group that includes more than just letters and words on a paper or digital page. The line between writers, storytellers, poets, lyricists, gets blurry, when you think how many of our stories come down through oral histories, through dictation, through word of mouth, through spoken-word, etc.
I know folks who have difficulty reading who still engage in the creative pursuit of "writing" through assistive technology, partners, etc., and I can agree that reading is great AND that writing is a different skill that people arrive at through all kinds of means. :)