MMC is by far and away my favourite company - affordable prices, very fun and great looking figures, few to no QC issues, no bullying tactics, and they also make (made?) a bunch of IDW figures which I adore. Their only huge miss is their Star Convoy, which was down to poor QC, and they addressed the problem quickly. A lot of this also applies to DX9, who also produce very fun figures. They (and their figures) have never caused any real controversy. edit: adding FansHobby (and UniqueToys) to the list. Another theory: MMC and DX9's output and announced projects have slowed (sadly), but that also means that they aren't in the limelight as often. They also never had the resources that TT/FT (and XTB to an extent) have.
I agree, I’m glad I chose the MMC Defensor over the XTB version. The size doesn’t matter to me. The quality of the design and how easy it is won me over
I love pretty much all of the 3rd party Transformers but, I do really love my few MMC figures and I went with MMC's take on Defensor as well. The problem with MMC, at least to me, is they don't put our a lot of products and their products don't have a lot of diecasts, if any. That and they're not fully painted like Fans Toys or X-transbots might be another reason why they're not as popular.
I’m like you mate - I don’t follow a particular supplier. I go with what suites what I’m looking for the best, mixed with quality & price. I honestly have a collection that’s equal parts Takara, X-Transbots, Fans Toys & Other (KOs, KFC, DX-9 etc)
That's the only way to collect as it ensures that you get the Transformers you really like instead of waiting on one from someone that might never come. I have mostly Fans Toys but, I also have Takara Tomy, X-transbots, MMC, Magic Square, Fans Hobby, DX9, Transformation Space and others. I'll also rebuy a character if I really like that character and it's better than the one I have such as X-transbots Ultra Magnus, Springer and Minerva as they're better than my Takara Tomy Ultra Magnus, Fans Toys Springer and Fans Hobby Minerva. I'm still waiting for X-transbots Minerva but, I already know it's going to be better.
I'm satisfied with Star Toys Blitzwing. As long as it doesn't break, I doubt I'll buy FT Blitzwing. I don't see how much better their versionbcan be for the FT price.
I'm hesitant to pre-order as Fans Toys might look the best, most of the time, I'm always afraid of their transformation sequences as some of their toys have nightmarish transformation. Even when they don't, some require that they align so precisely that to this day, I can't get the back piece of Astrotrain to peg in properly in shuttle mode. No matter how many times I watch Emgo's video, I can't see what I'm doing wrong and why it won't peg in and, looking at the comments, I'm not there only one.
I don't feel die-cast is necessary for a premium feel though. I'd argue that Fanshobby's Double Evil feels VERY premium, and he's got little to no die-cast visible on the outside, but is instead made of a REALLY robust feeling plastic. Handling it made me wish more figures went that route, especially Takara. I don't mind figures not having little to no die-cast, internally or externally, as long as the build quality is good. Using premium quality plastics will give a figure more of a premium feel. As much as I love MP-52 (I even enjoy the transformation), it does not have a similar premium feel.
Magic Squares MP Prime is my absolute favorite MP ever. Super playable and posable while being light as a feather lol. Weight does not equal quality or enjoyment. Nothing against folks for like the feel of it, you do you.
Funnily enough, for MMC, my favorite combiner bruticus that they did cost more than the Zeta and the unique toys one but it's still smaller but looks the best personally
My MP collection consists of Takara, Takara KO, XTB, FansToys and one offs like Star Toys Blitzwing. Takara complaint: Speed of releases, and lack of reissues. XTB complaints: Quality and complexity Fanstoys complaints: Their hardcore fans can be insufferable at times, inconsistent scale, reissues (but that’s been changing lately).
I agree that each should be taken on it’s own merit. I used to be a TT MP collector but I have the Ocular Max PS-01 Sphinx and Magic Square MS-02EX Light of Peace in my collection and both are awesome figures.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 you've got to hand it to the KO companies that have taken the TT mould that have in most instances, tweaked and improved on the OG with better joints, some engineering to eliminate complaints from fans of the OG too. I think the view that 3P were a poor relation have long gone and are bringing fans other 'bots that TT haven't even touched yet. Consumer choice has never been greater.
I appreciate it! The feedback in these comments is where most of these videos come from. I keep reading the same praises or concerns over and over and it becomes time for a discussion.
I like Xtransbots designs and I buy them time to time but my experience with breakage always makes me purchase pause, cancel, reorder, etc. Love/Hate w/Xtransbots until further notice. lol
There is only 1 MP Company that is Worth Hatimg...and that is the 1st and Official, Takara Tomy. They started this Show, They lead this Train, They gave Everyone a Dream and now They are making Trainbots that are Chug scale but listed as MP. A Shockwave that is too small to shock QuakeBlast and Car Bots that fall apart...When 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Parties make All G1 Season 1 and 2 Charactors, TT will be 5th Party
I find the brand loyalty in the fandom to be pretty baffling. They all have great figures, average figures and shit figures. Sometimes they do weird stuff for unknown reasons. I just wish MMC would reissue the Decepticon cassettes. Or that any other company would put some out in that scale.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I hope so, I have Ravage and love him. Was hard to find. Lots of clear versions but I have no interest in those. And Rumble, Frenzy, Laserbeak would be killer. But secondhand prices are wild. At this point if they don't reissue I hope a KO comes out.
Yup, my collection is made up of figures from all of them. I'd probably get more Fans Toys but the retail cost is too much. I get them when I can get a deal.
I only have one MMC figure: Hoist. And it's not very good. His waist joint is super floppy, so I have to partially mistransform him so that he'll stand upright. But he was pretty inexpensive though. Luckily, Fanstoys nailed the character with their Hitch figure. MMC's new combiners look brilliant. Wish I had the money to get the Combaticons. I have two DX9 figures: La Hire (Last Knight HotRod) and Richtoffen (Powerglide.) Both are great. I have the XTB Stunticons and Seaspray. All excellent.
I bought EVERYTHING Crazy Devy made for G1 and then the TF-Labs kit for classics Cliffjumper - but in Masterpiece scale - the first 3rd part thing I ever bought was FansToys MP-01 trailer and have been a fan (no pun intended) ever since. The only non-FansToys characters Ive purchased in MP scale was KFC simba, a Mirage & Jazz. But now FansToys did make a Jazz so the other company’s jazz will be the “car mode” display. Although- Might have to dip my toe in the non-FansToys pool again for that beautiful Punch/Counterpunch in this video!!
We’ve been spoiled by this era of everything in every category of existence reaching amazing new higher standards of design and technology. We looks at top design all day and it becomes normal. Nobody seemed to be phased by even the recent announcement that aliens exist, that’s where we are in society. We’ve seen CGI graphics for so long it’s like we’ve seen aliens already, lol.
Funny they talked about Aliens in 2020 then stopped and back to alien talk again. Then they will stop talking about it again until they need it for yet another distraction of something
I don't hate any company. I buy the product because I like that particular product, not because I'm married to a company. I did dislike the Takara Skyfire, and do own FT Phoenix, but I actually bought FT Phoenix because Takara was coming out with their MP Skyfire because I was disappointed with Takara's offering and was afraid the fact that Takara now had an MP Skyfire out there FT would not shy away from reissuing Phoenix anymore in the future (Phoenix, Sovereign, and Quietus seem to get re-released most frequently). I just love the more heroic propositions on the Fanstoys. On the other hand, I don't like the look of their Ultra Magnus at all. Don't care for the white Optimus with armor gimmick. The XTB, in bot-mode, just looks about as perfect as any Ultra Magnus figure could ever look. I keep my MP displayed in vehicle mode now, and I certainly don't intend to buy the FT just because they're FT. The cult-like worship of certain companies is something I really don't understand. Even if it's MMC. MMC does ill-advised things too (being married to self-contained combiners because "nO-pArRtFoRMinG", and then having combiners that don't scale with any other 3P combiners is one of them and look decidedly unimpressive next to their alternatives). I've also experienced QC issues with MMC/Ocular Maxx. My Carnifex's arm joints aren't strong enough to hold his gun in anything save a downward position, his feet (which are kinda messy to begin with) are loose, one of the back pylon-y things had a crack in the plastic, and he came with a broken powermaster. MMC replaced the whole figure (I think customer service in general tends to be good with all major 3Ps and MMC is certainly no exception), but my new Carnifex still has arms that are too floppy to hold his gun, and feet that will refuse to hold most poses for longer than a couple of hours. My Ocular Maxx Rumble and Frenzy both came with piledrivers that did not work. Bad luck? Perhaps. But there's just no such thing as a perfect company. Worshipping or hating any of the major 3P companies is just silly. They all make good products, they all put out the occasional stinker. Some more often than others, but they're usually very good with their customer service. Also I think XTB have really gone up in terms of their quality. Heck, their Grapple/Inferno may have been my favorite mold of 2022, and it's not even a character I have any particular affinity for. Really fun and intuitive transformation too.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I think I'm going to have to set aside a day to do it. I'm going to have to take a lot of breather breaks to collect myself after every frustrating moment. 😆
The only complaint I have with MMC is they love to put out the chrome versions of their tapes as Con Exclusives. Only a small part of the world would able to get their hands on them. Prices on ebay are so ridiculously expensive for a small toy.
X-transbots is one of the worst companies I have seen. Their bots often have transformations that force you to bend plastic past other plastics, use of flimsy parts that a prone to breakage, and overall the most floppiest ragdolls I have seen. I owned Apollion, Windcharger, both are absolute trash that I could not justify in keeping. Their Trailbreaker was surprisingly passable. Other reviewers like TMreviews have gotten a Janssen with a broken leg right out of the box, and a Commander stack with broken skirts and loose arms. And don't get me started on their Kup.
i'm somewhat in the middle. i like ft. love xtb even though they are hit and miss sometimes with the build but toon wise they even top ft imo. as for takara and hasbro i resolved all those issues with fourth party KO. I am a consumer it's what i can get that i can afford and the prices that takara asks for I will take a KO anyday of the week. it's not perfect but for me it's a display piece and looks sharp. I don't need to support anything official as the third party market makes up for the deaf years of the mainline. I hear KO will only hurt the mainline. Not true cuz they are not KO the mainline stuff with few exceptions, they are going after the high and over priced Masterpiece line and that's fine by me. Sometimes I even pick up two KO and still way cheaper than mainline and I can have one in each mode. I don't hate any of these companies. They bring too much joy for me to hate and anything the mainline doesn't want to do the third parties usually cover so it's a win win for all. I can't spend my days hating this and hating that. Too much work for something that brings so much joy into my life
I honestly think it is harder to hate on MMC for they don't fully go into the Masterpiece scale and tackle many of the bots that do have scaling issues with masterpiece. To a point collectors do ruin basic workable designs with expectations like no parts forming, everything must be one piece, the bot must be G1 accurate according to the Sunbow chart and even my must have 30 points of articulation and we then get these overworked Poochy designs where you need a TH-cam tutorial to understand the transformation and pray to Primus it doesn't break. I do like this new pre-order on Show.Z, a true toy version of Optimus with updated articulation and a few extra gimmicks.
To me, it's a product by product situation. I like the more recent Fans Toys figs for their build and G1 accuracy but their price point does make the average person have to pick and choose. Takara MP has some features I like and others I don't so it's a mixed bag and depends on the figure. I like a lot of things about their Arcee, especially her vehicle mode, best one to date imo, and her bot mode is solidly built but there's still the backpack kibble issue and the long face and granny chest is hard to ignore. I'm not too familiar with XTB but a lot of comparisons between XTB and FT, I tend to favor FT more, albeit considerably pricier.
I admit, I got burned by X-Transbots one too many times and gave up on collecting them. For me, virtually every figure I bought from them either broke or was untransformable, their versions of Scourge and Cyclonus (bought 2 of Cyclonus with the same exact design flaw) immediately come to mind. Also, X-Transbots engages in the same tactics as FansToys, for example, they released images of Abaddon (Galvatron) right around FT's release of Sovereign which was so many years ago and XT still hasn't released Abaddon... I think MMC is great, but I've had numerous breakages on their Inferno/Grapple/Haul/Artfire molded figures. I still try to grab their figures from time to time and I really like the fact that they deviate from the hyper-toon accuracy that everyone else is going for, in particular, I very much appreciated their version of Hoist which as of today, is the only one out there that doesn't have the frumpy style of the cartoon.
Bad News is good News, so Takara Xtb and Fanstoys making a great Job to be all over the place with releases. Takara makes the best Transformation and got the Transformersspirit. XTB got the best Autobotspirit and great Altmodes. Fanstoys got the best Decepticonspirit and great altmodes. TE, DS, MMC, DX9 and others missing for me the Soul of Transformers.
I'll let a figure stand up on its own merits, I'll listen to numerous reviews, and read a lot of the fan comments on the net and if I pick a figure and do encounter any issues, i will let others know. it doesn't really affect my opinion of the companies until it starts to become a trend and nothing is done about it. I collect the big 3 plus MMC, and some Badcube splashed in. I like the level of cartoon accuracy putting out, but, it's not always a must to be perfect to me. My latest acquisition was 01 Studio Cell Zata's not Unicron. And I can't say I'm unimpressed. I'm going to try find their Superion next.
Some issues aren’t QC. They are design/engineering/material/build flaws. Not saying you’re mislabeling QC issues but I see reviewers mislabeling issues. 😉
If there is a choice, people will go for official but they do not release most g1 figures.. due to licensing or if not repeating the same characters. Collectors will go for their next alternative from 3p. Prices aesthetic. Over-engineering definitely is a turn off
This was a very interesting video & I think u hit 🎯 on all the reasons why these companies (that give us the product we love) get the hate they do...another company that NEVER seems to get any hate is Fans Hobby & I love their figures with no problems...great materials, build quality, & they feel good...my only gripe would be lack of paint...f.y.i. make sure u loosen the screw in the foot for ankle tilt on Warthog or else u won't have one...
You know why FansToys and XTB get hate...Some of it is the company, BUT the leading factor is the fanatics..and YES there are XTB fanatics because when I was more into MP collecting, I was one. Someone can like something...Someone can show why they like it..BUT when you attack others who have a difference of opinion on it, or maybe they're happy with the other version they have...AND THOSE ATTACKS GO PERSONAL...then Fuk that company and their base...To me, FT zealots are one of the biggest offenders of this..and I can say that I do own a lot of their product, I have my issues with said product, but I put my money behind my convictions....I say I like XTB...I tell you the zealots came like a moth to the flame. I've heard them attack other youtubers based on appearance....calling others "poor" because apparently clout means you have to buy multiples of FT or you have zero clue about collecting MP or Transformers all together..Even lie to others saying they never owned any "XTRASH" when they apparently have/do own said product. SO yeah, I personally have a lower excitement over FT releases because all I see for the next few weeks is nobslobbering that it's "the best" or excuses given when a release is SHIT.
Takara Because they are Pretentious , Fantoys because they are over priced n have elitist fanbase , x transbots because they are so close to greatness but cheap out to sell for cheap
I like some bots from each company. MMC most of the time has the best transformation. The last few Fanstoys releases have horrible transformations. X-transbots transformations are hit and miss, Magnus is rough. I'm less interested in toon accuracy and just want a great alt mode and fun transformation. I like Takara's Jetfire/Skyfire, nice transformation and looks decent. I like Fanstoys as well and it's differences from Takara, I love that we get these different options.
X transbots are trying to make ARTICULATED FULLY FUNCTIONAL G1 ACCURATE MASTERPIECE TRANSFORMERS …. FANSTOYS are making g1 accurate fully painted bricks ….. I think most companies could do what FANSTOYS does if they made them with 2010 articulation n charged triple the price
Xtransbots makes nice figures, but fails at the simplest things… they’re like a kid who hits a homerun and runs the wrong way around the bases. Takara is too expensive for the value… best thing about Takara is the KO’s. Fanstoys was supposed to be the highest standard in TF collecting. Lately, quality and fit/clearance have been lackluster. The reissues didn’t fix past issues… Ive been more impressed with the new / renamed companies TE/DS/ST
With all these Masterpieces, makes you really see how flawed trying to make animation accurate G1 designs are. Beast Wars had some nonsense going too, wasn't until RiD 01 when things got better translated, even if shell-formery.
I have to see a review before putting my money into something. Watching a transformation gives me a good idea if I'm going to like it. Just because it looks good in pictures is not going to get my money. The most important thing for me is the transformation. For me Xtransbots looks good but the transformation is frustrating. When it comes to toon accuracy some aren't the best looking and having it tweaked is sometimes for the best. Takara's Trailbreaker is toon to a fault and I actually think that Fanstoys made him look better in my opinion. I can take or leave diecast it's not going to change how I feel about something as long as it's made well. I've had things not hold up because it was too heavy. I stuck with the DX9 Powerglide after seeing reviews cuz that's a lot of money to waste if I'm not happy with it.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I'm really interested to hear your thoughts in the review. I'm looking forward to watching it. If anything he looks great in a display. There's always a positive way to look at things I feel
Honestly, Fans Toys is doing God’s work. Hyper accurate toon sculpts with die cast and premium feels. I’m fine with them taking their time while I enjoy the bots I’ve purchased. FT-55 was my first 3PT and blew all my Takara MPs out of the sky.
I’m mostly annoyed with hasbro because they are/were the only one’s probably still including gimmicks, making them more visually appealing. Toys got me into transformers, not the show. The nostalgia I am looking for is not old characters but missile launchers, unlockable weapons, combination gimmicks, bright colors etc. if they can reissue old beast wars then they can make cool new stuff like that IMO. Leave the heavy articulation to the posers
@tydiriumhanger1320 Well even the kids lines can't really go all out like they used to but the old stuff is still pretty cheap online. I'm guessing springs just got really expensive or something
Die hard Collectors are idiots They ruin the hobby, a few names who I refuse to watch that review transformers I won't mention, just make their vids so difficult when they slag off other brands I like Takara don't offer any support in their after sale that's why I don't like them and they're totally over priced Xtranbots are awesome and only had one break on the 11 bots I own Fans toys are the best but lately their transformations are going down the drain beating xtb And their colour choices and prices are out of hand
@@tydiriumhanger1320 Thats why I love Emgo and benscollectables They just review the toy Give their opinion on it, but they dont attack it and praise other companies
Here's some MMC hate for ya: I didn't like any figure I owned. I didn't buy the first 4 cassettes because I hated the proportions on Rumble, Frenzy and Ravage.
I wasnt. They are considered by many to make better mps than the official ones. The guy says people are complaining about the release prices (not even the aftermarket ones). This is bs. Their prices are always very close to the official mps. But contrary to Takara, their figures use top quality plastics lots of diecast. Their paint job is also top class. There is a reason why those figures are gaining so much value so fast after being released...@@blankstare3775
I dislike the slavish toon look of their crap now, the cheapened materials...Jive broke on me, Parkour was balljointed mess, I have warthog in my stash but I will most likely flip it once I care enough about having it ship....I have pipes waiting for me today, and I'm hoping it will bring me the same joy I felt with Rig, which is the only FT I still transform and mess with.
I think allot of negative reactions are also comming from some sort of bandwagon or sheep effects. Seeing as there are many TF MP reviewers on TH-cam and in general (but not all) they tend to have the same viewpoint. Bobby's reviews for instance can be a bit rough on how he handles the figures and that can indeed lead to stuff breaking but that is just his style. On the other hand if a figure survives his handling you know it will not break 😄😄😄 But his experience with the figure doesn't have to be yours. Bashing a company for it's overcomplex transformations is imo also not really justified because we want figures to look good in all modes. Thats why we collect MP scale in the first place. I agree that Keith's choices of some of his XTB releases can be a real nightmare and could be done different especially if you compare it to the Streetwise release from MMC. But it's still not a bad figure. To get specific looks can sometimes lead to sacrifices that have to be made. If you look at Fans Toys latest releases (Mirage, Jazz, Cliffjumper and Powerglide) they weren't perfect either. Yet they did not get burned down as hard as XTB did. The issue I have with MMC/OX is that their scale can sometimes be all over the place. Their quallity however remains solid as ever as are their transformations. But thats why we have options. I pick and choose the bots I like and be less dependent on other people's opinions. These are not toys but are highly accurate, high end, visualy well designed and expensive collectible figures so should be treated like that. If you like to transform your figures on a regular basis and then complain about that stuff is breaking then imo you missed the point. 🥳🥳🥳
There are a lot of people who just repeat what they have heard from others and put to much stock in any one reviewer. Many who passed on Janssen because of some negative reviews may have second thoughts or same with Magnus
I have xtransbots, fanstoys, mmc, takara, dx9 and a few oddball companies and love them all. I don't care for the price of fanstoys. The price does reflect in their overall quality though. I've never had any issues with my xtransbots figures and i love every one that i have. I don't transform them though. If they come in bot mode, they stay that way. I know that the toys are meant to transform, but I'm not in it for that. I probably have more xtransbots than any other company. I like the price on their stuff. I admit, most of my mmc stuff is chug scale. The quality on them is amazing. My first mmc was carnifex (overlord) and I've been in love with mmc ever since. The hasbro tarn is trash compared to the mmc version. I have the ocular max mirage and love the hell out of it. Collecting is all in the eye of the beholder. You like what you like. Don't let ppl put your collection down because you went a cheaper route, or you like something else. It's all cool if you like it.
Ya know what makes XTB something, Their releases do come in alt mode and makes a real collector go through at least one transformation. Not the overpriced "premium" brick that goes from box to shelf. @tydiriumhanger1320
No company is perfect but at least we are getting accurate G1 figures today that we never had back in the past. Competition really brings out the best among the rest.
I didn't find Fantoys support to be that amazing. On my Thomas when I was having trouble with the chest pieces, they were like "just tighten the screw" or whatever. I don't know if they're used to their fanboys being really forgiving or whatever, but that annoyed me. Thomas is my only Fanstoys figure, and from my perspective, I just paid a PREMIUM $250 for this figure, and you won't send me screws that this piece can slide on, rather than keep grabbing the overly jagged threads? LAME.
Fanstoys Fanboys are quite forgiving and seem to forget the bad but keep bringing up every XTB problem since 2008. Well it is kind of like my wife and her list of my alleged past mistakes LOL
I got Thomas when ShowZ had bumped them up to $280. Wish I had waited. He's staying in bot mode as I just don't care enough for the train mode and I can put DX9's Chigurh in shuttle mode. Sorry to hear that Fans Toys didn't help you out. It's stuff like that that puts me off their figures when they cost so much too.
I don't hate on Takara at all. It has released some really nice MPs available and coming up. And to be honest, as an owner of many third party MPs, there are quite a lot of them who have very patchy histories and have released some pretty terrible products. I've never snapped a part off of a brand new Takara MP before, but I've definitely broken third party ones. I think people who hate on Takara may need to think about the differences in priorities between the company and the third parties. Takara has a long running reputation to uphold and therefore it plays it pretty safe with its products. It has to. It doesn't always hit the mark, but it has to be more conservative in the products it makes. It can't just disappear and reincorporate under another name. Even the much exalted Fans Toys has released some pretty bad figures mechanically over the years. People make so many excuses for Fans Toys, maybe because they want to believe that this beautiful bot mode and alt mode must have a well-designed transformation between them. But it's often not the case. Also a bit unfairly Takara gets contrasted with all of third party at once. So basically many people say that they hate Takara because it can't compete with all of third party masterpiece outfits. And that's quite unfair, because when XTB gets into one of its periodic crappy product release phases, people just move on to the next third party until they find one that works. Then XTB flukes a great one (which to be honest is exceedingly rare, so really it's just a figure that transforms relatively logically, doesn't have clearances measured by the nanometre and doesn't snap in your hands if you look at it too hard), and everybody forgets how much swearing they went through the last three times they trusted that company. But anyway, third parties don't have anywhere near as much to lose as Takara. They can make toys that require the patience of a Zen master to transform, have paint that just peels off, or just break under reasonable pressure. They know they will get the pre-orders, and they only do limited runs. And they might disappear tomorrow and reincorporate under another name. So they can take all those risks, like toys with the most hyper accurate toon aesthetic (how aesthetically boring) but as transformers, they barely qualify as well engineered let alone as fun. And they break or paint chip all over the place. I'm not saying Takara has a perfect record for quality control and great engineering, but for MPs, it's a record well in excess of all of my third parties.
Many truths told here! Takara does have to compare to the entire 3P community and do have a track record of delivering most of the definitive versions of our characters
I guess you didn't buy Takaras MP Hound. Takara and 3P have both made stinkers for sure. I wouldn't put my official purchases up against say MMC or Fanstoys in terms of quality/durability though. Obviously your experiences with Offical figures has been better than mine.
As a collector im mostly* give priority to toon accuracy, a lot of truths for one video mate. Die cast doesn't mean better quality necessary , takara for me is doing excellent job, of course without counting starscream v2 and hound. Love x transbots , love ft although my powerglide is almost impossible to push the knee to the proper place😅, love mmc especially their take on combiners. For me is mixed and match with most tt and ft. The only thing i find bad in mp tf figures collecting , is the toxic community and *reviewers* that make you think they are take objective stance , while they are totally subjective, and im sorry to tell this a big part of them are fanboys. If you stop viewing them ,and start making decisions by either looking at previous of the product or some reviewers where their opinion is more in the middle, you will soon release how heavy influenced you are and realized the true strengths of each company.
Another example of inconsistent products from companies: TransArt's Rattrap and Blackarachnia. I bought their transmetal Rattrap and loved it, so I preordered their transmetal 2 Blackarachnia. So disappointed. The thigh pivot is completely loose on one side, the chest piece is held on by the weakest magnet in the entire universe, the bicep twist on both arms are way too tight for that plastic, and that's just off the top of my head after not touching it for a few months. Once again, the TransArt Rattrap was absolutely great, but their Blackarachnia was so disappointing, so much so that I don't want to risk getting their other offerings like Primal, Megatron, Cheetor, and the soon-to-be-released Tarantulas.
"They're not too expensive..." *groans in Bruticus...most likely Defensor, too* MMC has gotta be the most expensive thing in the MP Combiner game outside of FansToys (who hasn't yet completed theirs) and Takara (whose Trainbots look so bad that the G1 & Diaclone versions look better). Even after all this time when Zeta stuff began to drop in price a bit, not these guys. MMC's Bruticus *STILL* adds up to $515 or $600 depending on whether you want the G2 color ($515) or the G1 color ($600). Worse yet, those numbers are from BBTS, as apparently nobody else has them all for either variant. 😞😞😞 Takara's build quality decline goes back to MP36. Some would argue the MP11 Seeker mold, but KOs proved that was just dumb design decision by way of making the tab that connects the upper body to the lower body both longer and diecast Some would argue the MP9 Rodimus Prime mold or even MP5 Megatron, and they wouldn't be wrong per se, but that's like two misses outta the first nine. Three if the MP3 Seeker mold has the same issue as the MP11 mold. The build quality decline definitely started to appear more often from 36 onward, due to complex design, complex engineering, higher parts count, and decidedly weaker plastics. Especially once you hit MP41 Dinobot. From there, an actual solid figure is an exception (Tigatron, Skids mold, Trailbreaker) now.
I was able to get the set of MMC Combaticons for about $450 and I thought that was too much. Still, they are the best looking ones except for Onslaught. The fact that they can engineer the combiner hand or foot into the figures is pretty impressive. I want their Protectobots but each figure is about $100 so far and I'm sure Hotspot is going to be $150 or so. Might have to stick with XTB for Defensor since he's going to be taller too.
I finally had my first break and it was Xtransbots Fury. The tolerance on a fender was so tight it snapped off. FUBAR as far as I’m concerned. Honestly it has ruined me on the entire hobby.
I won't buy Fanstoys because they recently strong armed retailers to keep them from carrying their KOs. Wouldn’t say I "hate" them, but I'll never buy another "official" Fanstoys because of that. I did however immediately buy the KO Cyclonus when they did it. I don't distinguish between KO and 3P. To me stealing an idea is no better/worse than stealing a design. Takara has been getting KOed for decades, it's just part of the game you, Fanstoys are hypocrites and bullies.
Well I have no Fans Toys. I have MMC, Newage, Magic Square, Dr Wu, one single X-Transbots but probably never do that again unless they can demonstrate the QC has improved. Point is Fans Toys became greedy and I responded in kind.
My issue with TT is they are too slow. They keep releasing characters I don' t care about. Same that the backs of figures are bad as well. FT's Ultra Magnus and Ironhide and Ratchet all have clean rovot modes.
I think hate is too strong a word, I believe its more like disappointment. The fact that adult collectors are actually getting a product, and that there is a large amount of third party manufacturers, is outstanding. We shouldn't be unhappy.
I weigh price vs. look. It has to look nice, but if it costs too much, im not going to get it. I chose my reflector based on how much im willing to pay vs which one I liked. Same with my insecticons.
Going to have to disagree with you on the older Takara releases of masterpiece being simplistic. Optimus, Megatron, seekers… If you think those are simplistic, and I shutter to think what you believe is complex. 😉
I actually like fanstoys because every time they release a new product a lot of people will sell the older ones for cheap, and then i can save a few bucks when buying mp 3p figures
Then you’ve probably watch my auctions lol Heads up I’m going to be selling my Hasbro Ravage and his KFC cage to get MMCs version. Also I’ll be selling my Fanstoys Eject to get MMCs set to replace him.
Im 45 years old, i love Die-cast but mainline transformers are looking so good now that die-cast is no longer special to me, as long as the plastic is durable. Now it seems like master piece figures are no longer worth it, look at seige Jetfire, Prime , stidio series 86 in general but especially those new Ss86 Dinobots
I wish Hasbro was more consistent with their figure designs at a lower price point because they cut corners on them quite a bit. They are looking better but very few of them are worth the cost. Siege Jetfire is one of the few I feel that are. Great design with lots of accessories. Most of their deluxes, voyagers, and even their leader class figures are half-assed attempts. Motormaster, being a commander class figure, could have been a lot better though. A few of my favorite mainline figures are all the Siege Seekers, Earthrise Sky Lynx, Kingdom Rodimus Prime, SS 86 Hot Rod, SS Kup, and Kingdom Cyclonus. I feel these were designed with great articulation and capture the look of the characters, minimize the gaps or hollow plastic, and come with all of their signature weapons or accessories. Most of their figures just can't hit these marks in my opinion.
xtb has sucked since their apollyon and they products are still the same quality. the community lowers the bar for them because they are the cheaper option
That may be true that the expectations are lower. I also think so many collectors do not transform them so if it holds up in robot mode then it is fine for most
@@tydiriumhanger1320 The only XTB figure I feel really let down by is Boost. He feels so cheap and the inconsistent maroon color really ruins the vehicle mode. I wish they would do a 2.0. I would say I'd like Fans Toys to do a Windcharger but I just hate having to pay more than $100 for a mini bot.
X Transbots is just garbage and people keep buying it I just don't get it. You always have to wait for a second version of the figure, just like you said in the video. I wish they would just stop making figures. How can you have bad QC for almost a decade and still stay in business.
The figures look great in both modes but do need quite a bit of finesse to transform. Most collectors take them out of the box, pose them on the shelf and done!
Fanshobby is my fave 3rd party MP maker. It helps that they're doing things no one else is!
True they do fill the gaps that no others will bother to make
MMC is by far and away my favourite company - affordable prices, very fun and great looking figures, few to no QC issues, no bullying tactics, and they also make (made?) a bunch of IDW figures which I adore. Their only huge miss is their Star Convoy, which was down to poor QC, and they addressed the problem quickly. A lot of this also applies to DX9, who also produce very fun figures. They (and their figures) have never caused any real controversy.
edit: adding FansHobby (and UniqueToys) to the list.
Another theory: MMC and DX9's output and announced projects have slowed (sadly), but that also means that they aren't in the limelight as often. They also never had the resources that TT/FT (and XTB to an extent) have.
I agree, I’m glad I chose the MMC Defensor over the XTB version. The size doesn’t matter to me. The quality of the design and how easy it is won me over
I have the most fun transforming my MMC figures they feel hardy and I don’t worry about them breaking.
I love pretty much all of the 3rd party Transformers but, I do really love my few MMC figures and I went with MMC's take on Defensor as well. The problem with MMC, at least to me, is they don't put our a lot of products and their products don't have a lot of diecasts, if any. That and they're not fully painted like Fans Toys or X-transbots might be another reason why they're not as popular.
MMC does great work and I also am considering their Defensor.
I like MMC too I think their built-in engineering is awesome. enjoyable to play and display
I’m like you mate - I don’t follow a particular supplier. I go with what suites what I’m looking for the best, mixed with quality & price.
I honestly have a collection that’s equal parts Takara, X-Transbots, Fans Toys & Other (KOs, KFC, DX-9 etc)
That's the only way to collect as it ensures that you get the Transformers you really like instead of waiting on one from someone that might never come. I have mostly Fans Toys but, I also have Takara Tomy, X-transbots, MMC, Magic Square, Fans Hobby, DX9, Transformation Space and others. I'll also rebuy a character if I really like that character and it's better than the one I have such as X-transbots Ultra Magnus, Springer and Minerva as they're better than my Takara Tomy Ultra Magnus, Fans Toys Springer and Fans Hobby Minerva. I'm still waiting for X-transbots Minerva but, I already know it's going to be better.
The best collections are well balanced with figures you like most
bravo exactly THIS
The only thing I hate about Fanstoys is the cost
I'm satisfied with Star Toys Blitzwing. As long as it doesn't break, I doubt I'll buy FT Blitzwing. I don't see how much better their versionbcan be for the FT price.
I'm hesitant to pre-order as Fans Toys might look the best, most of the time, I'm always afraid of their transformation sequences as some of their toys have nightmarish transformation. Even when they don't, some require that they align so precisely that to this day, I can't get the back piece of Astrotrain to peg in properly in shuttle mode. No matter how many times I watch Emgo's video, I can't see what I'm doing wrong and why it won't peg in and, looking at the comments, I'm not there only one.
Every time I say and/or think that I end up buying Fanstoys anyway lol
It'll be better colour transformation toon accuracy and build
But at a huge cost
I'm happy with mine though.
The Star Toys does look great on display and even if FT looks better will it look twice as good?
@@tydiriumhanger1320 regardless of how it looks it will be at least twice the price of Star Toys.
I don't feel die-cast is necessary for a premium feel though. I'd argue that Fanshobby's Double Evil feels VERY premium, and he's got little to no die-cast visible on the outside, but is instead made of a REALLY robust feeling plastic. Handling it made me wish more figures went that route, especially Takara. I don't mind figures not having little to no die-cast, internally or externally, as long as the build quality is good. Using premium quality plastics will give a figure more of a premium feel. As much as I love MP-52 (I even enjoy the transformation), it does not have a similar premium feel.
Magic Squares MP Prime is my absolute favorite MP ever. Super playable and posable while being light as a feather lol. Weight does not equal quality or enjoyment. Nothing against folks for like the feel of it, you do you.
Funnily enough, for MMC, my favorite combiner bruticus that they did cost more than the Zeta and the unique toys one but it's still smaller but looks the best personally
I wondered if MMC would ever do a Bruticus box set
My MP collection consists of Takara, Takara KO, XTB, FansToys and one offs like Star Toys Blitzwing.
Takara complaint: Speed of releases, and lack of reissues.
XTB complaints: Quality and complexity
Fanstoys complaints: Their hardcore fans can be insufferable at times, inconsistent scale, reissues (but that’s been changing lately).
It sure is good to get a mix of different companies and pick the figure you like most no matter who makes it
MMC is really good. They have some fantastic engineering
I agree that each should be taken on it’s own merit. I used to be a TT MP collector but I have the Ocular Max PS-01 Sphinx and Magic Square MS-02EX Light of Peace in my collection and both are awesome figures.
There was a time I even did not dip into the 3p well but now times have changed
@@tydiriumhanger1320 you've got to hand it to the KO companies that have taken the TT mould that have in most instances, tweaked and improved on the OG with better joints, some engineering to eliminate complaints from fans of the OG too. I think the view that 3P were a poor relation have long gone and are bringing fans other 'bots that TT haven't even touched yet. Consumer choice has never been greater.
Awesome vid, u never disappoint with ur topics. Keep up the good work.
I appreciate it! The feedback in these comments is where most of these videos come from. I keep reading the same praises or concerns over and over and it becomes time for a discussion.
I like Xtransbots designs and I buy them time to time but my experience with breakage always makes me purchase pause, cancel, reorder, etc. Love/Hate w/Xtransbots until further notice. lol
Yep I equally approach FT and XTB with caution when transforming
There is only 1 MP Company that is Worth Hatimg...and that is the 1st and Official, Takara Tomy. They started this Show, They lead this Train, They gave Everyone a Dream and now They are making Trainbots that are Chug scale but listed as MP. A Shockwave that is too small to shock QuakeBlast and Car Bots that fall apart...When 2nd, 3rd, and 4th Parties make All G1 Season 1 and 2 Charactors, TT will be 5th Party
I find the brand loyalty in the fandom to be pretty baffling.
They all have great figures, average figures and shit figures.
Sometimes they do weird stuff for unknown reasons.
I just wish MMC would reissue the Decepticon cassettes. Or that any other company would put some out in that scale.
MMC has put them out a few times and I bet they will again eventually
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I hope so, I have Ravage and love him. Was hard to find. Lots of clear versions but I have no interest in those. And Rumble, Frenzy, Laserbeak would be killer. But secondhand prices are wild.
At this point if they don't reissue I hope a KO comes out.
@@beatrixwickson8477 clear ones here www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/211581?o=4
I’m open mind for all companies also. MMC one of my faves.
They do great work an priced right
Yup, my collection is made up of figures from all of them. I'd probably get more Fans Toys but the retail cost is too much. I get them when I can get a deal.
I feel like only Bobby hates fanstoys and that sort of just spread to a bunch of other collectors lol
I only have one MMC figure: Hoist. And it's not very good. His waist joint is super floppy, so I have to partially mistransform him so that he'll stand upright. But he was pretty inexpensive though. Luckily, Fanstoys nailed the character with their Hitch figure. MMC's new combiners look brilliant. Wish I had the money to get the Combaticons.
I have two DX9 figures: La Hire (Last Knight HotRod) and Richtoffen (Powerglide.) Both are great.
I have the XTB Stunticons and Seaspray. All excellent.
I bought EVERYTHING Crazy Devy made for G1 and then the TF-Labs kit for classics Cliffjumper - but in Masterpiece scale - the first 3rd part thing I ever bought was FansToys MP-01 trailer and have been a fan (no pun intended) ever since. The only non-FansToys characters Ive purchased in MP scale was KFC simba, a Mirage & Jazz.
But now FansToys did make a Jazz so the other company’s jazz will be the “car mode” display.
Although-
Might have to dip my toe in the non-FansToys pool again for that beautiful Punch/Counterpunch in this video!!
Yep I do look forward to that XTB PUNCH or Bond and James
We’ve been spoiled by this era of everything in every category of existence reaching amazing new higher standards of design and technology. We looks at top design all day and it becomes normal. Nobody seemed to be phased by even the recent announcement that aliens exist, that’s where we are in society. We’ve seen CGI graphics for so long it’s like we’ve seen aliens already, lol.
Funny they talked about Aliens in 2020 then stopped and back to alien talk again. Then they will stop talking about it again until they need it for yet another distraction of something
I don't hate any company. I buy the product because I like that particular product, not because I'm married to a company.
I did dislike the Takara Skyfire, and do own FT Phoenix, but I actually bought FT Phoenix because Takara was coming out with their MP Skyfire because I was disappointed with Takara's offering and was afraid the fact that Takara now had an MP Skyfire out there FT would not shy away from reissuing Phoenix anymore in the future (Phoenix, Sovereign, and Quietus seem to get re-released most frequently).
I just love the more heroic propositions on the Fanstoys.
On the other hand, I don't like the look of their Ultra Magnus at all. Don't care for the white Optimus with armor gimmick. The XTB, in bot-mode, just looks about as perfect as any Ultra Magnus figure could ever look. I keep my MP displayed in vehicle mode now, and I certainly don't intend to buy the FT just because they're FT.
The cult-like worship of certain companies is something I really don't understand. Even if it's MMC.
MMC does ill-advised things too (being married to self-contained combiners because "nO-pArRtFoRMinG", and then having combiners that don't scale with any other 3P combiners is one of them and look decidedly unimpressive next to their alternatives). I've also experienced QC issues with MMC/Ocular Maxx. My Carnifex's arm joints aren't strong enough to hold his gun in anything save a downward position, his feet (which are kinda messy to begin with) are loose, one of the back pylon-y things had a crack in the plastic, and he came with a broken powermaster. MMC replaced the whole figure (I think customer service in general tends to be good with all major 3Ps and MMC is certainly no exception), but my new Carnifex still has arms that are too floppy to hold his gun, and feet that will refuse to hold most poses for longer than a couple of hours. My Ocular Maxx Rumble and Frenzy both came with piledrivers that did not work. Bad luck? Perhaps. But there's just no such thing as a perfect company. Worshipping or hating any of the major 3P companies is just silly. They all make good products, they all put out the occasional stinker. Some more often than others, but they're usually very good with their customer service.
Also I think XTB have really gone up in terms of their quality. Heck, their Grapple/Inferno may have been my favorite mold of 2022, and it's not even a character I have any particular affinity for. Really fun and intuitive transformation too.
I still haven’t combined my XTB Menasor because of the transformation.
Well it is no fun but if you take your time you should be fine
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I think I'm going to have to set aside a day to do it. I'm going to have to take a lot of breather breaks to collect myself after every frustrating moment. 😆
My XTB Locke 2.0 got destroyed after the first transformation... my MMC First Aid is legitimately one of my favorite figures
Sucks to hear about LOCKE! I put him on alt mode and kept him there
The only complaint I have with MMC is they love to put out the chrome versions of their tapes as Con Exclusives. Only a small part of the world would able to get their hands on them. Prices on ebay are so ridiculously expensive for a small toy.
That does suck but some retailers do carry them in very small quantities if you can catch the preorders
X-transbots is one of the worst companies I have seen. Their bots often have transformations that force you to bend plastic past other plastics, use of flimsy parts that a prone to breakage, and overall the most floppiest ragdolls I have seen.
I owned Apollion, Windcharger, both are absolute trash that I could not justify in keeping. Their Trailbreaker was surprisingly passable.
Other reviewers like TMreviews have gotten a Janssen with a broken leg right out of the box, and a Commander stack with broken skirts and loose arms. And don't get me started on their Kup.
i'm somewhat in the middle. i like ft. love xtb even though they are hit and miss sometimes with the build but toon wise they even top ft imo. as for takara and hasbro i resolved all those issues with fourth party KO. I am a consumer it's what i can get that i can afford and the prices that takara asks for I will take a KO anyday of the week. it's not perfect but for me it's a display piece and looks sharp. I don't need to support anything official as the third party market makes up for the deaf years of the mainline. I hear KO will only hurt the mainline. Not true cuz they are not KO the mainline stuff with few exceptions, they are going after the high and over priced Masterpiece line and that's fine by me. Sometimes I even pick up two KO and still way cheaper than mainline and I can have one in each mode. I don't hate any of these companies. They bring too much joy for me to hate and anything the mainline doesn't want to do the third parties usually cover so it's a win win for all. I can't spend my days hating this and hating that. Too much work for something that brings so much joy into my life
I honestly think it is harder to hate on MMC for they don't fully go into the Masterpiece scale and tackle many of the bots that do have scaling issues with masterpiece. To a point collectors do ruin basic workable designs with expectations like no parts forming, everything must be one piece, the bot must be G1 accurate according to the Sunbow chart and even my must have 30 points of articulation and we then get these overworked Poochy designs where you need a TH-cam tutorial to understand the transformation and pray to Primus it doesn't break.
I do like this new pre-order on Show.Z, a true toy version of Optimus with updated articulation and a few extra gimmicks.
Yes MMC does seem to keep it simple while others way over complicate the transformation
To me, it's a product by product situation. I like the more recent Fans Toys figs for their build and G1 accuracy but their price point does make the average person have to pick and choose. Takara MP has some features I like and others I don't so it's a mixed bag and depends on the figure. I like a lot of things about their Arcee, especially her vehicle mode, best one to date imo, and her bot mode is solidly built but there's still the backpack kibble issue and the long face and granny chest is hard to ignore. I'm not too familiar with XTB but a lot of comparisons between XTB and FT, I tend to favor FT more, albeit considerably pricier.
True I also like the Takara Arcee most butttt that backpack and the KO fixed the chest with a lift
I admit, I got burned by X-Transbots one too many times and gave up on collecting them. For me, virtually every figure I bought from them either broke or was untransformable, their versions of Scourge and Cyclonus (bought 2 of Cyclonus with the same exact design flaw) immediately come to mind. Also, X-Transbots engages in the same tactics as FansToys, for example, they released images of Abaddon (Galvatron) right around FT's release of Sovereign which was so many years ago and XT still hasn't released Abaddon...
I think MMC is great, but I've had numerous breakages on their Inferno/Grapple/Haul/Artfire molded figures. I still try to grab their figures from time to time and I really like the fact that they deviate from the hyper-toon accuracy that everyone else is going for, in particular, I very much appreciated their version of Hoist which as of today, is the only one out there that doesn't have the frumpy style of the cartoon.
Honestly, I don’t have any hate for any bootlegs. I actually appreciate bootleg companies, they give us Transformers that Takara/Hasbro don’t five us.
Bad News is good News, so Takara Xtb and Fanstoys making a great Job to be all over the place with releases. Takara makes the best Transformation and got the Transformersspirit. XTB got the best Autobotspirit and great Altmodes. Fanstoys got the best Decepticonspirit and great altmodes. TE, DS, MMC, DX9 and others missing for me the Soul of Transformers.
I'll let a figure stand up on its own merits, I'll listen to numerous reviews, and read a lot of the fan comments on the net and if I pick a figure and do encounter any issues, i will let others know. it doesn't really affect my opinion of the companies until it starts to become a trend and nothing is done about it.
I collect the big 3 plus MMC, and some Badcube splashed in. I like the level of cartoon accuracy putting out, but, it's not always a must to be perfect to me. My latest acquisition was 01 Studio Cell Zata's not Unicron. And I can't say I'm unimpressed. I'm going to try find their Superion next.
Some issues aren’t QC. They are design/engineering/material/build flaws. Not saying you’re mislabeling QC issues but I see reviewers mislabeling issues. 😉
True most issues are faulty design
If there is a choice, people will go for official but they do not release most g1 figures.. due to licensing or if not repeating the same characters. Collectors will go for their next alternative from 3p. Prices aesthetic. Over-engineering definitely is a turn off
Yes the official Takara usually creates a big buzz especially when there are only a couple releases a year to get that attention
Yes. Too much recolouring too. Just mp10 alone came 13 releases. Ouch !
This was a very interesting video & I think u hit 🎯 on all the reasons why these companies (that give us the product we love) get the hate they do...another company that NEVER seems to get any hate is Fans Hobby & I love their figures with no problems...great materials, build quality, & they feel good...my only gripe would be lack of paint...f.y.i. make sure u loosen the screw in the foot for ankle tilt on Warthog or else u won't have one...
Fansthobby is doing great work with obscure characters others avoid and that is great! Thanks for the tip on Warthog
You know why FansToys and XTB get hate...Some of it is the company, BUT the leading factor is the fanatics..and YES there are XTB fanatics because when I was more into MP collecting, I was one. Someone can like something...Someone can show why they like it..BUT when you attack others who have a difference of opinion on it, or maybe they're happy with the other version they have...AND THOSE ATTACKS GO PERSONAL...then Fuk that company and their base...To me, FT zealots are one of the biggest offenders of this..and I can say that I do own a lot of their product, I have my issues with said product, but I put my money behind my convictions....I say I like XTB...I tell you the zealots came like a moth to the flame. I've heard them attack other youtubers based on appearance....calling others "poor" because apparently clout means you have to buy multiples of FT or you have zero clue about collecting MP or Transformers all together..Even lie to others saying they never owned any "XTRASH" when they apparently have/do own said product.
SO yeah, I personally have a lower excitement over FT releases because all I see for the next few weeks is nobslobbering that it's "the best" or excuses given when a release is SHIT.
They all make certian figures better
I love /hate them all Fans toys may
be the best Fans just mostly hate their rates!
5:00 stinking Takara needs to add ‘rubber’ as in tires lol. Sick of that too. #thelackthereof
True that is an MP touch that is lacking
Takara Because they are Pretentious , Fantoys because they are over priced n have elitist fanbase , x transbots because they are so close to greatness but cheap out to sell for cheap
Well said
A Fanstoys Hound 2.0 would likely be great. They had real upgrades to their Perceptor and Seaspray.
I like some bots from each company. MMC most of the time has the best transformation. The last few Fanstoys releases have horrible transformations. X-transbots transformations are hit and miss, Magnus is rough. I'm less interested in toon accuracy and just want a great alt mode and fun transformation. I like Takara's Jetfire/Skyfire, nice transformation and looks decent. I like Fanstoys as well and it's differences from Takara, I love that we get these different options.
True options are great and with them going for different aesthetics we can pick which speaks to us most
X transbots are trying to make ARTICULATED FULLY FUNCTIONAL G1 ACCURATE MASTERPIECE TRANSFORMERS …. FANSTOYS are making g1 accurate fully painted bricks ….. I think most companies could do what FANSTOYS does if they made them with 2010 articulation n charged triple the price
True XTB is putting in more articulation and that could be problematic vs the safer lower articulation route
Xtransbots makes nice figures, but fails at the simplest things… they’re like a kid who hits a homerun and runs the wrong way around the bases.
Takara is too expensive for the value… best thing about Takara is the KO’s.
Fanstoys was supposed to be the highest standard in TF collecting. Lately, quality and fit/clearance have been lackluster. The reissues didn’t fix past issues…
Ive been more impressed with the new / renamed companies TE/DS/ST
With all these Masterpieces, makes you really see how flawed trying to make animation accurate G1 designs are. Beast Wars had some nonsense going too, wasn't until RiD 01 when things got better translated, even if shell-formery.
I have to see a review before putting my money into something. Watching a transformation gives me a good idea if I'm going to like it. Just because it looks good in pictures is not going to get my money. The most important thing for me is the transformation. For me Xtransbots looks good but the transformation is frustrating. When it comes to toon accuracy some aren't the best looking and having it tweaked is sometimes for the best. Takara's Trailbreaker is toon to a fault and I actually think that Fanstoys made him look better in my opinion. I can take or leave diecast it's not going to change how I feel about something as long as it's made well. I've had things not hold up because it was too heavy. I stuck with the DX9 Powerglide after seeing reviews cuz that's a lot of money to waste if I'm not happy with it.
True and I am even more concerned about FT Powerglide the more I hear
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I'm really interested to hear your thoughts in the review. I'm looking forward to watching it. If anything he looks great in a display. There's always a positive way to look at things I feel
Honestly, Fans Toys is doing God’s work. Hyper accurate toon sculpts with die cast and premium feels. I’m fine with them taking their time while I enjoy the bots I’ve purchased. FT-55 was my first 3PT and blew all my Takara MPs out of the sky.
I’m mostly annoyed with hasbro because they are/were the only one’s probably still including gimmicks, making them more visually appealing. Toys got me into transformers, not the show. The nostalgia I am looking for is not old characters but missile launchers, unlockable weapons, combination gimmicks, bright colors etc. if they can reissue old beast wars then they can make cool new stuff like that IMO. Leave the heavy articulation to the posers
Sadly most modern collectors pass on the vintage and want something different than what we got in the past
@tydiriumhanger1320 Well even the kids lines can't really go all out like they used to but the old stuff is still pretty cheap online. I'm guessing springs just got really expensive or something
Die hard Collectors are idiots
They ruin the hobby, a few names who I refuse to watch that review transformers I won't mention, just make their vids so difficult when they slag off other brands I like
Takara don't offer any support in their after sale that's why I don't like them and they're totally over priced
Xtranbots are awesome and only had one break on the 11 bots I own
Fans toys are the best but lately their transformations are going down the drain beating xtb
And their colour choices and prices are out of hand
True each review should be unbiased but the preferences do show through
@@tydiriumhanger1320 Thats why I love Emgo and benscollectables
They just review the toy
Give their opinion on it, but they dont attack it and praise other companies
Here's some MMC hate for ya: I didn't like any figure I owned. I didn't buy the first 4 cassettes because I hated the proportions on Rumble, Frenzy and Ravage.
lol, who hates FansToys???
I can't tell if you are using sarcasm but don't think people hate Fanstoys, just some of their fans
I wasnt. They are considered by many to make better mps than the official ones. The guy says people are complaining about the release prices (not even the aftermarket ones). This is bs. Their prices are always very close to the official mps. But contrary to Takara, their figures use top quality plastics lots of diecast. Their paint job is also top class. There is a reason why those figures are gaining so much value so fast after being released...@@blankstare3775
I dislike the slavish toon look of their crap now, the cheapened materials...Jive broke on me, Parkour was balljointed mess, I have warthog in my stash but I will most likely flip it once I care enough about having it ship....I have pipes waiting for me today, and I'm hoping it will bring me the same joy I felt with Rig, which is the only FT I still transform and mess with.
I think allot of negative reactions are also comming from some sort of bandwagon or sheep effects.
Seeing as there are many TF MP reviewers on TH-cam and in general (but not all) they tend to have the same viewpoint.
Bobby's reviews for instance can be a bit rough on how he handles the figures and that can indeed lead to stuff breaking but that is just his style.
On the other hand if a figure survives his handling you know it will not break 😄😄😄
But his experience with the figure doesn't have to be yours.
Bashing a company for it's overcomplex transformations is imo also not really justified because we want figures to look good in all modes.
Thats why we collect MP scale in the first place.
I agree that Keith's choices of some of his XTB releases can be a real nightmare and could be done different especially if you compare it to the Streetwise release from MMC.
But it's still not a bad figure.
To get specific looks can sometimes lead to sacrifices that have to be made.
If you look at Fans Toys latest releases (Mirage, Jazz, Cliffjumper and Powerglide) they weren't perfect either. Yet they did not get burned down as hard as XTB did.
The issue I have with MMC/OX is that their scale can sometimes be all over the place.
Their quallity however remains solid as ever as are their transformations.
But thats why we have options.
I pick and choose the bots I like and be less dependent on other people's opinions.
These are not toys but are highly accurate, high end, visualy well designed and expensive collectible figures so should be treated like that.
If you like to transform your figures on a regular basis and then complain about that stuff is breaking then imo you missed the point.
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There are a lot of people who just repeat what they have heard from others and put to much stock in any one reviewer. Many who passed on Janssen because of some negative reviews may have second thoughts or same with Magnus
I have xtransbots, fanstoys, mmc, takara, dx9 and a few oddball companies and love them all. I don't care for the price of fanstoys. The price does reflect in their overall quality though. I've never had any issues with my xtransbots figures and i love every one that i have. I don't transform them though. If they come in bot mode, they stay that way. I know that the toys are meant to transform, but I'm not in it for that. I probably have more xtransbots than any other company. I like the price on their stuff. I admit, most of my mmc stuff is chug scale. The quality on them is amazing. My first mmc was carnifex (overlord) and I've been in love with mmc ever since. The hasbro tarn is trash compared to the mmc version. I have the ocular max mirage and love the hell out of it. Collecting is all in the eye of the beholder. You like what you like. Don't let ppl put your collection down because you went a cheaper route, or you like something else. It's all cool if you like it.
True it is all up to you with what you like and are willing to pay! I believe about 70% of collectors do not transform
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I just fear breaking something that I paid a fair amount for. Lol. It also takes up less space in bot mode
Ya know what makes XTB something, Their releases do come in alt mode and makes a real collector go through at least one transformation. Not the overpriced "premium" brick that goes from box to shelf. @tydiriumhanger1320
No company is perfect but at least we are getting accurate G1 figures today that we never had back in the past. Competition really brings out the best among the rest.
Yes they all get better with real competition even Takara has
I didn't find Fantoys support to be that amazing. On my Thomas when I was having trouble with the chest pieces, they were like "just tighten the screw" or whatever. I don't know if they're used to their fanboys being really forgiving or whatever, but that annoyed me. Thomas is my only Fanstoys figure, and from my perspective, I just paid a PREMIUM $250 for this figure, and you won't send me screws that this piece can slide on, rather than keep grabbing the overly jagged threads? LAME.
Fanstoys Fanboys are quite forgiving and seem to forget the bad but keep bringing up every XTB problem since 2008. Well it is kind of like my wife and her list of my alleged past mistakes LOL
I got Thomas when ShowZ had bumped them up to $280. Wish I had waited. He's staying in bot mode as I just don't care enough for the train mode and I can put DX9's Chigurh in shuttle mode. Sorry to hear that Fans Toys didn't help you out. It's stuff like that that puts me off their figures when they cost so much too.
The Takara MP prime for over $200 and no trailer is still way to overpriced
*Far* too overpriced!
Indeed. It also implies that the trailer is worth $250, and it's not
They cut the price in half and no trailer but still better than $450. I wonder if we are paying an Optimus Tax?
I don't hate on Takara at all. It has released some really nice MPs available and coming up. And to be honest, as an owner of many third party MPs, there are quite a lot of them who have very patchy histories and have released some pretty terrible products. I've never snapped a part off of a brand new Takara MP before, but I've definitely broken third party ones.
I think people who hate on Takara may need to think about the differences in priorities between the company and the third parties. Takara has a long running reputation to uphold and therefore it plays it pretty safe with its products. It has to. It doesn't always hit the mark, but it has to be more conservative in the products it makes. It can't just disappear and reincorporate under another name.
Even the much exalted Fans Toys has released some pretty bad figures mechanically over the years. People make so many excuses for Fans Toys, maybe because they want to believe that this beautiful bot mode and alt mode must have a well-designed transformation between them. But it's often not the case.
Also a bit unfairly Takara gets contrasted with all of third party at once. So basically many people say that they hate Takara because it can't compete with all of third party masterpiece outfits. And that's quite unfair, because when XTB gets into one of its periodic crappy product release phases, people just move on to the next third party until they find one that works. Then XTB flukes a great one (which to be honest is exceedingly rare, so really it's just a figure that transforms relatively logically, doesn't have clearances measured by the nanometre and doesn't snap in your hands if you look at it too hard), and everybody forgets how much swearing they went through the last three times they trusted that company.
But anyway, third parties don't have anywhere near as much to lose as Takara. They can make toys that require the patience of a Zen master to transform, have paint that just peels off, or just break under reasonable pressure. They know they will get the pre-orders, and they only do limited runs. And they might disappear tomorrow and reincorporate under another name. So they can take all those risks, like toys with the most hyper accurate toon aesthetic (how aesthetically boring) but as transformers, they barely qualify as well engineered let alone as fun. And they break or paint chip all over the place. I'm not saying Takara has a perfect record for quality control and great engineering, but for MPs, it's a record well in excess of all of my third parties.
Many truths told here! Takara does have to compare to the entire 3P community and do have a track record of delivering most of the definitive versions of our characters
I guess you didn't buy Takaras MP Hound. Takara and 3P have both made stinkers for sure. I wouldn't put my official purchases up against say MMC or Fanstoys in terms of quality/durability though. Obviously your experiences with Offical figures has been better than mine.
As a collector im mostly* give priority to toon accuracy, a lot of truths for one video mate. Die cast doesn't mean better quality necessary , takara for me is doing excellent job, of course without counting starscream v2 and hound. Love x transbots , love ft although my powerglide is almost impossible to push the knee to the proper place😅, love mmc especially their take on combiners. For me is mixed and match with most tt and ft. The only thing i find bad in mp tf figures collecting , is the toxic community and *reviewers* that make you think they are take objective stance , while they are totally subjective, and im sorry to tell this a big part of them are fanboys. If you stop viewing them ,and start making decisions by either looking at previous of the product or some reviewers where their opinion is more in the middle, you will soon release how heavy influenced you are and realized the true strengths of each company.
Another example of inconsistent products from companies: TransArt's Rattrap and Blackarachnia. I bought their transmetal Rattrap and loved it, so I preordered their transmetal 2 Blackarachnia. So disappointed. The thigh pivot is completely loose on one side, the chest piece is held on by the weakest magnet in the entire universe, the bicep twist on both arms are way too tight for that plastic, and that's just off the top of my head after not touching it for a few months.
Once again, the TransArt Rattrap was absolutely great, but their Blackarachnia was so disappointing, so much so that I don't want to risk getting their other offerings like Primal, Megatron, Cheetor, and the soon-to-be-released Tarantulas.
Fanstoys Ultra Magnus will NOT XTB’s Magnus. I’m certain of it
Great vid. Some really good points made.
Some people are quick to hate when the slightest thing is not to their own taste.
FANSTOYS SKYFIRE IS A BRUCH THAT DON’T MOVE 🤷🏿♂️
Not a ton of articulation there
"They're not too expensive..." *groans in Bruticus...most likely Defensor, too* MMC has gotta be the most expensive thing in the MP Combiner game outside of FansToys (who hasn't yet completed theirs) and Takara (whose Trainbots look so bad that the G1 & Diaclone versions look better). Even after all this time when Zeta stuff began to drop in price a bit, not these guys. MMC's Bruticus *STILL* adds up to $515 or $600 depending on whether you want the G2 color ($515) or the G1 color ($600). Worse yet, those numbers are from BBTS, as apparently nobody else has them all for either variant. 😞😞😞
Takara's build quality decline goes back to MP36. Some would argue the MP11 Seeker mold, but KOs proved that was just dumb design decision by way of making the tab that connects the upper body to the lower body both longer and diecast Some would argue the MP9 Rodimus Prime mold or even MP5 Megatron, and they wouldn't be wrong per se, but that's like two misses outta the first nine. Three if the MP3 Seeker mold has the same issue as the MP11 mold. The build quality decline definitely started to appear more often from 36 onward, due to complex design, complex engineering, higher parts count, and decidedly weaker plastics. Especially once you hit MP41 Dinobot. From there, an actual solid figure is an exception (Tigatron, Skids mold, Trailbreaker) now.
Yep I bet Takara is the only one who puts out so many of the same mold they literally break the mold LOL
I was able to get the set of MMC Combaticons for about $450 and I thought that was too much. Still, they are the best looking ones except for Onslaught. The fact that they can engineer the combiner hand or foot into the figures is pretty impressive. I want their Protectobots but each figure is about $100 so far and I'm sure Hotspot is going to be $150 or so. Might have to stick with XTB for Defensor since he's going to be taller too.
@@sidearmsalpha 450!? Where'd you find a sweet deal like that!?
I finally had my first break and it was Xtransbots Fury. The tolerance on a fender was so tight it snapped off. FUBAR as far as I’m concerned. Honestly it has ruined me on the entire hobby.
I won't buy Fanstoys because they recently strong armed retailers to keep them from carrying their KOs. Wouldn’t say I "hate" them, but I'll never buy another "official" Fanstoys because of that.
I did however immediately buy the KO Cyclonus when they did it. I don't distinguish between KO and 3P. To me stealing an idea is no better/worse than stealing a design. Takara has been getting KOed for decades, it's just part of the game you, Fanstoys are hypocrites and bullies.
Well I have no Fans Toys. I have MMC, Newage, Magic Square, Dr Wu, one single X-Transbots but probably never do that again unless they can demonstrate the QC has improved. Point is Fans Toys became greedy and I responded in kind.
My issue with TT is they are too slow. They keep releasing characters I don' t care about. Same that the backs of figures are bad as well. FT's Ultra Magnus and Ironhide and Ratchet all have clean rovot modes.
I think hate is too strong a word, I believe its more like disappointment. The fact that adult collectors are actually getting a product, and that there is a large amount of third party manufacturers, is outstanding. We shouldn't be unhappy.
I weigh price vs. look. It has to look nice, but if it costs too much, im not going to get it. I chose my reflector based on how much im willing to pay vs which one I liked. Same with my insecticons.
Alas, a LOT of my X-Transbots figures broke when I tried to transform them 😢😒⛓️💥
I bought the mp 10 takara rerelease then only a few months later they launched mp 44. I was pissed!
Been looking for a list of premium transformer companies which is the best and most affordable ❤
I've sold off most of my XTB stuff because i just don't have fun with them. Lately MMC is making most of my favourites.
MMC seems to be less stressful transformations and that is a bit more fun
Going to have to disagree with you on the older Takara releases of masterpiece being simplistic. Optimus, Megatron, seekers… If you think those are simplistic, and I shutter to think what you believe is complex. 😉
Yep that Mp 05 was just a mess
I actually like fanstoys because every time they release a new product a lot of people will sell the older ones for cheap, and then i can save a few bucks when buying mp 3p figures
Then you’ve probably watch my auctions lol
Heads up I’m going to be selling my Hasbro Ravage and his KFC cage to get MMCs version. Also I’ll be selling my Fanstoys Eject to get MMCs set to replace him.
Im 45 years old, i love Die-cast but mainline transformers are looking so good now that die-cast is no longer special to me, as long as the plastic is durable. Now it seems like master piece figures are no longer worth it, look at seige Jetfire, Prime , stidio series 86 in general but especially those new Ss86 Dinobots
I wish Hasbro was more consistent with their figure designs at a lower price point because they cut corners on them quite a bit. They are looking better but very few of them are worth the cost. Siege Jetfire is one of the few I feel that are. Great design with lots of accessories. Most of their deluxes, voyagers, and even their leader class figures are half-assed attempts. Motormaster, being a commander class figure, could have been a lot better though. A few of my favorite mainline figures are all the Siege Seekers, Earthrise Sky Lynx, Kingdom Rodimus Prime, SS 86 Hot Rod, SS Kup, and Kingdom Cyclonus. I feel these were designed with great articulation and capture the look of the characters, minimize the gaps or hollow plastic, and come with all of their signature weapons or accessories. Most of their figures just can't hit these marks in my opinion.
I also got a KO Hound 😂
xtb has sucked since their apollyon and they products are still the same quality. the community lowers the bar for them because they are the cheaper option
That may be true that the expectations are lower. I also think so many collectors do not transform them so if it holds up in robot mode then it is fine for most
@@tydiriumhanger1320 The only XTB figure I feel really let down by is Boost. He feels so cheap and the inconsistent maroon color really ruins the vehicle mode. I wish they would do a 2.0. I would say I'd like Fans Toys to do a Windcharger but I just hate having to pay more than $100 for a mini bot.
X Transbots is just garbage and people keep buying it I just don't get it. You always have to wait for a second version of the figure, just like you said in the video. I wish they would just stop making figures. How can you have bad QC for almost a decade and still stay in business.
The figures look great in both modes but do need quite a bit of finesse to transform. Most collectors take them out of the box, pose them on the shelf and done!
Ask FT
All I know is I want more Headmasters and Targetmasters from Fanstoys. And I want Deluxe Insecticons from XTB
Maketoys will be finishing their headmasters and XTB should be showing off DLX Insecticons soon
@@tydiriumhanger1320 That would be amazing!