Wow did not expect that type of final results, but the it makes sense and it shows once again what’s holding back XTB from being the top contender against FT….which is the quality control issues. Still looking forward to Virtus if he wasn’t an option I would go with MMC as well.
Good comparison. Not surprised about the winner, I am surprised about the scores though!. I find that Apache is one of those "good at everything, master of none" type situations. Appreciate the VS', I was seriously considering switching out for XTB, but after your first video I was changing my mind and this one seals the deal. Was really hoping for a good showing, so I"d be more confident for their Ultra Magnus. That confidence is slowly being eroded to the point where I"m barely on board anymore for Commander Stack. Good video as always!!!
Thanks Vinny, It really depends what you value most. Some people have told me they really love the look and gimmicks/accessories for Virtus and they don't transform him so it works for them. I need to be able to transform and mess with figures so it doesn't work for me, QC is number one for me
I love how there are a lot of options for a G1 Springer from these third party companies. Great comparison review, TM Reviews! Keep up the great work, man!
100% agree with you. The more V-shaped chest along with the sculpted grill that casts that natural shadow looks really nice. The other two look fairly boring and have a dad bod 😅
I think you nailed this comparison, having watchEd your XTB again it’s QC is just unacceptable. I have Apache and I did have Saltus before I had to sell him, which I regret. MMC figure is definitely the winner aswell in my eyes even with the alt mode sacrifices, hopefully I’ll pick up Saltus again in the future. Great comparison
After watching countless MP scale Springer reviews, I decided to buy the MMC /Ocular Max Saltus. It’s so good! Yeah the Alt modes aren’t entirely accurate, but I actually prefer MMC’s helicopter design. Another complaint is the black arm hinges, but once you put him in cool poses (which you should always do), they’re pretty much hidden. Tight joints too! If MMC ever releases another version with painted arm hinges, I’ll buy it immediately and sell my current one. After watching this review, I feel like transforming Saltus just for fun.
How can XTB wins the paint since it’s just came out and with pint chip already? I understand it has more paint used, but I don’t think that matters, if the fig looks fine without paint for some parts, I’m totally okay with it, but for a fig just came out within 2 weeks only and some paint already fell off? It’s a fail to me
If I had to go back and change any one point it would be paint, I'd give it to MMC instead since it has the second most amount of paint and no issues, but this wouldn't change the result of the comparison at all
Another good comparison (since Vs sounds conformational LOL...sorry was dealing with HR meetings) video between three options of a figure. Aesthetics and the ability to DO what the toy is designed to do are those areas that you went to great deal to separate and view..which is exactly what viewers' main concerns may lie. Personally, I do find the MMC and XTB options for pleasing to the eye based on this video. I do not have my copy of XTB in hand YET to compare with my FT and my MMC. I will need to see how difficult I find the transformations. The benefit of that with XTB and MMC is that they come in an alt mode and thereby forces the buyer to see how they feel the quality materials and engineering really play out...something that may not be seen in a video. QC is an unfortunate, and personally acknowledged, element in the XTB...common items that are being seen across the board include the paint scratch, misfitting weapons, and continued engineering choices. While the reviews I've seen of the XTB doesn't look at difficult or frustrating that you had with your copy, my opinion on that may change once it's in hand. But for good or ill, I won't hop on the XTB is trash train..just as I won't go on the FT is Trash lane...It is critical feedback, which should be encouraged NO MATTER THE BRAND. Being able to cite that without fear of being absconded by those who clutch pearls or circle the wagons because you spoke ill of their beloved idol. That's something I've had to take to hear due to my own historical rantings. Main thing, there are options...and the collector knows what works for him/her best. I'll have my fleet of Springers after this and I'll slim down one of them..You've made your choice pretty clear..hopefully others can articulate their choices as well.
Loved this. I have been waiting for the XTB to come out to see which springer to upgrade my Big Spring. MMC was my preference before XTB landed.... and MMC is still probably going to be the one. Thanks for the great review 👍
If Magnus and runabout and run amuck are trash I’m giving up on XTB I’m rooting for them because their sculpts are top shelf but man their QC is awful. When I got Janssen I thought it was the superior Perceptor but a couple months later and Janssen is falling apart and lose (did not transform once) and tesla 2.0 is still solid as a rock and breathtaking I feel like tesla 2.0 was a slept on release it’s one of FT best
I’m going to borrow a term used by Mike Rogers to refer to all the Springers-“Fleet.” I’m going to keep these 3 guys plus Allen and Big Spring. Can never have enough Springers in the “Fleet.” Another awesome review!
If Virtus' chest actually tabbed in, it would have won in my eyes. It is very well engineered, especially the legs, but due to the lack of a chest tab (I'm sorry that I keep mentioning it but it really infuriates me), it feels like it isn't. I don't even care about the backpack, since it makes the transformation quite simple. To me, Virtus is a bare pass that could have so easily been a 9 or 10, but they few mistakes they made really drag down the overall figure.
if it worked out, I would keep all three.. but only if it worked out that one looked great in each mode and then display them as such... I think you have an opportunity to pull that off.
About the only category I disagree with is overall sculpt, I think FTs has the best silhouette. The torso and ab section look the best on FTs. Excellent comparison Sony. I am still happy I cancelled my XTB pre order.
I am a headsculpt kind of guy so regardless of how great the figure are, if the headsculpt sucks, im not buying it. Thats where FT shines. And thats why im sticking with Apache.
The results would've been different if the left knee ratchet worked right and there was no paint rub on the shoulders. If TMReviews got a good copy of Virtus, it probably would've won. And remember, there are a lot of GOOD copies of this figure out there. Sadly TMReviews got a lemon one. Something to also consider. I adore my MMC Saltus. He's my Springer. Apache isn't bad at all but he doesn't do it for me. I like it but there's something about it that is off. XTB has the look pretty much in every mode compared to the other two. He also has decent build quality and transformation really isn't that bad for an XTB product. I see XTB as a tie at the very least with MMC.
@@TMReviews I'm suprised FT only got 1 point. I was initially in on XTB, mainly because of the chopper gimmick and stand. But looking closely at the bot pictures, I did not like the lean yellow shoulder pads. I think MMC did it better. Just wish it was better painted, and had FT's Chest.
A rare case where I think the XTB looks the best, at least in bot mode. It's a shame they're held back by QC and overengineering. I really dislike the MMC's chest. Sure, it may look more cartoon accurate overall, but I think the Fanstoys just had a way more interesting looking sculpt, and a much better presence. Not as good as the XTB (which again, is rare, I typically love the FT look - especially when they go for the more heroic proportions), but still a much nicer figure to look at than the MMC in bot mode. Surprised the FT didn't come with additional faces.
No matter how objective are those comparisons, the subjectivity factor is still the most relevant, for example despite being slaughtered by the score, i still prefer Fanstoys offering, as it is a sturdy as it needs and it has that more heroic look that i dig, as i do not look for super toon accuracy. Great video anyway!
Hopefully bro u can try to exchange that figure, seems like it came broke right out the box 📦. Great comparison, I’ve had the Apache awhile but after seeing it compared to Mmc, I kinda like Mmc better
My categories are build, hardware, accuracy, sculpt, paint, articulation, transformation, alt modes, accessories, gimmicks and price. The point distribution goes like this: Build- FT and MMC Hardware- XTB, FT and MMC Accuracy- XTB and MMC Sculpt- XTB and FT Paint- FT Articulation- MMC Transformation- MMC Car mode- XTB Copter mode- XTB Accessories- XTB Gimmicks- XTB Price- MMC XTB- 07 FT- 03 MMC- 06 This is my opinion ;) but I'm keeping my MMC Springer.
I love Fans Toys but I also love MMC and MMC takes this one big time. I only have one X-transbots and that's Aegis but, I do like their figures. It's just there's usually some sort of QC issue(s) and there shouldn't be when the figures are this expensive.
I just bought the fans toys version before I watched this. I'm still glad I did as I feel fanstoys version nailed the all important chest sculpt better than the other two. Visually looked more like springer. Glad I didn't get xtb version after the quality issues you mentioned. Reminds me of their stunticons. Love the look of them but gee whizz they are horrible quality wise. Cheers for the review.
If you’re going to be last you’d better be best. I love my FT Apache, but I was hoping XTB would blow it away. I have no problem upgrading if a newer figure is better and Virtus was looking to be the most cartoon accurate to date - and in all three modes no less. Make me spend my money XTB. I’ve only been waiting for reviews from the gang (TMR, BSF, Paik etc.) on this before I went in on it but I honestly figured that after the Locke fiasco and the years of delays, XTB would knock it out of the park. Surely they’ve learned from past mistakes and I’d be swapping out my FT, but wouldn’t you know it? XTB is still dealing with QC issues and now even some paint issues. Oh, but boy do they have us covered with accessories! Pfft. Thanks for the review. Saved me $200.
Kind of makes you wonder how they were able to score sooo many more points than the FT. Oh well, I guess “obbjectivity” tends to be a little more subjective around these parts. 😂
Wow definitely surprised about the score. I have the Fanstoys figure and like it the most because of the face sculpt and presence, but I wish it was sleeker like the XTB. While I rather other figures be tackled and do we need another Springer released years after other companies having good offering, I am glad that there are a lot of options for people new to collecting. Similarly happening with Trailbreaker now. Great vid.
great vid reveiwing these. i do have a question. is there a good 3rd party alternative to the WFC Seige Springer? or would one of these be a good substitue. big issue is the "battle damage" paint
I don't understand why XTransbots didn't have the lighter shade of green around the cockpit. It is more accurate to the source, and would make the vehicle modes appear sleeker (which the car mode in particular could use).
Great comparison vid! Don't agree with the helicopter mode going to FT as I thought XTB just looked better especially in the proportions. But choice is a good thing. Any chance you'll revisit this comparison if you had access to UT Allen and Open and Play Spring? That would be one mega review for the ages. Keep up the good work.
I don’t know the toys. Labeling by manufacturer during the review would greatly help me keep up with who you are talking about. Good concept, but confusing to just repeatedly hear the names referenced without already knowing who you are talking about.
@@TMReviews I guess :D. I agree with you that MMC is the best overall. I was surprised just how much I liked it over Apache when I had them both in hand.
Have to admit I still think FT's chest looks better IMO. I like the fact that the sculpt actually creates the shadows as opposed to the XTB one that has no shadows at all and the MMC one that just painted it black.
Depends on the type of figure. For smaller retail figures, I use Hasbro pulse stands. For larger MP figures, there are stands available from Amazon or something called flight pose
Hi, do any of these have the backpack holder for the sword like airwolf version? Also I haven't bought a transformer figure since I was a kid. Are their any G1 masterpiece figures that you would recommend as knocking it out of the park? (Looks good, durable, transforms easily enough etc).
It's funny. I now have 4 different versions of this character and I'm not even fond of him. Just happened to get them all at good prices. I don't need Virtus but if I find him at a good price, I'd get him for the accessories. The QC issues really are disappointing. I'm not preordering anything from XTB anymore and will just wait on reviews before deciding if I want a certain figure. I preordered their Perceptor and got him for retail because I needed him but the FansToys 2.0 version was more so I passed on that version. Haven't transformed Perceptor and not going to anyway as I don't care for his alt mode and his bot mode seems to be ok QC-wise.
Hey Sony, I know I'm commenting on a 2 year old video, but here's two things I found out belatedly about Saltus: 1) MMC/Ocular Max Saltus' trident is from a season 3 episode, "The Nightmare Planet", so it's fully G1! 2) Saltus' alternate head isn't meant to be his IDW look, it's based on the Studio OX art for G1. Apologies if you already knew this. I just reckoned in case you didn't know you might enjoy checking it out. I'm still relatively new to G1 myself so when I first watched this video a couple months ago I had never ever seen that season 3 episode, and only had a vague notion of what Studio OX was. Anyway, I guess that solves the mystery why Saltus' alternate head sculpt is so different from the XTB one! X-Transbots went with IDW, and Ocular Max went with Studio OX! OPTIONS! :D
I think x-transbot is the winner..me and emgo316..transform it .. and its not a nightmare..its was easy for me and best cartoon accurate out there..i also have fantoys..and i love fantoys..but x-transbot to me is better the the other two...
I have not done a systematic comparison like this, but I have FT, MMC, and Open & Play. While I don't think O&P isn't necessarily the best in many categories (besides Price), but as a total Springer package I feel like it is the best. I keep thinking about picking up the Robot Hero Air Wolf that has the significantly improved face and is actually painted.
@@rubenlopez7142 RH will win price category but lose every single other one yes it’s affordable which is great but the saying is true “you get what you paid for” and if I wanted Michael Jackson cosplaying as springer then yes I would get RH(sculpt is terrible and the body is a direct rip off of MMC. It’s not even in the same conversation as these three…
To me the xtransbots is my favorite but I got the rH one shipped for like $75. I do want to see all 4 up against each other. I'm sure they will each have their strengths and weaknesses
I'm glad I don't own any of them, I'm happy with my original, at least he stands well. All this review please, spare me. How can they design a piece with so much weight and super weak ankles, oh my bad I didn't know people are born without ankles, shit I didn't get that memo.
The black elbow/arm part on Saltus is super distracting and ugly to me. It just looks cheap and very un-masterpiece to me. Maybe I’m biased as an Apache owner. My only issue with Apache is that he doesn’t hold his gun well.
Good comparison. The way the X-Transbots is built, it looks like they rushed getting it out the door (even though they took forever to release it). Like, regardless of the mode that you have it in, the build quality takes the the fun completely out of the figure (in robot mode, it looks like a wobbly mess and to get it into the alt modes, you need to bend plastic parts and risk chipping the paint). I feel like for comparisons, build quality would be a really high priority for me mainly due to the fact that transforming figures need to be posed and transformed. For me, Apache is still the best and MMC is really good as well.
I am not a huge Springer fan. Not crazy about the helicopter or car mode, they are OK but never did much for me. I do think his robot mode is cool looking though. And for that overall the XTB wins for me. MMC is a close 2nd for bot mode though. I love that XTB are so ambitious but sometimes they tend to fall short because they aim so high. I expect to see Apache 2.0 soon as we all know FT can't handle being outmatched :)
I took notice while you were turning around X-Transbots springer, he wobbles. But you don't mention any of it, you only focus on cosmetics. Should not be comparing nor giving reviews if you are willing to put in the work on every square inch of the items. It wouldn't matter if the items cost one dollar, BUT THEY Don't, DON'T THEY.
I was extremely critical of the x-transbots virtus figure in my review, I actually recommended against buying it, I'm guessing you didn't watch that video or the final thoughts on this video
It really is amazing how people can look at the exact same thing and see something so different. While they did well with the details I felt like XTB's upper body proportions were far too skinny to be cartoon accurate in robot mode. On the other hand I felt XTB's legs were the most accurate.
Apache wins unanimous for me. Looks strong in all modes. The real debate is going to be between FT Outrider and Takara Trailbreaker. Saw that FT video of Outrider, I gotta say, I’m very impressed.
I find it really disappointing when you reviewers ONLY compare figures to their cartoon version and never the movie version. Springer was introduced in the movie and Fanstoys absolutely nail his aesthetic and that is totally disregarded in this entire review. You mention cartoon accuracy in bot mode - well Springer's most prominent feature is his chest as it has his vehicle vents. You showed a cartoon image, Fanstoys looked EXACTLY like it (in terms of chest vent replication - proportions, size, angles etc) and again totally disregarded. But then you talk about how accurate the legs might be or the shoulders etc. It's just totally inconsistent reviewing. You also review paint but don't even review paint colour. How is that a review? Again Fanstoys smashed the overall colour with the shades of greens v yellow playing off each other perfectly but you ignore that in bot mode then I'm vehicle mode you select much brighter colours for your cartoon image and then say the others win. I'm not a Fanstoys fangirl by any means but I feel you did the figure down massively. Some really good observations eg the trunk junk and the yellow bits here and there which aren't accurate but it's the inconsistency of the approach coupled your refusal to consider movie accuracy as well as toon accuracy makes the review results redundant.
At least the complete trash tier bum that is the Toyworld offering ain't here. But no love for Robot Hero or Open and Play in this comparison?? (Doesn't matter to me that much, this only solidified my affinity for the MMC offering)
I'm also surprised about your score. I thought Apache, while not cartoon accurate, was still a nice figure given its age. Perhaps there will be a 2.0; if not, I'm good. I don't like any other offerings.
Excellent vs again...This time, I can't claim I have all 3 because I did not go for XTB. There's just too much wrong with XTB to overthrown MMC. My gripes with XTB, Chest Grill too big, shoulders a bit smallish, Dark Green 2 dark, Face Skulps look Feminish, and lastly the dropped top of thighs look odd. All this was just visual, add in all the Physical QC and it's a NO buy. Agreed on MMC as Winner, Overall it is the Best action figure Transforming Springer. With that said FTs has the Presence and XTB is the best Representation of Alt Modes, But it takes more than Presence and or Representation to WIN.
@@PSYCHOWORLD it's not just a matter of saving money though... These figures are totally overengineered and not even in that way they obtained to look better in any mode than Robot Hero's figure!
Wow did not expect that type of final results, but the it makes sense and it shows once again what’s holding back XTB from being the top contender against FT….which is the quality control issues. Still looking forward to Virtus if he wasn’t an option I would go with MMC as well.
Good comparison. Not surprised about the winner, I am surprised about the scores though!. I find that Apache is one of those "good at everything, master of none" type situations. Appreciate the VS', I was seriously considering switching out for XTB, but after your first video I was changing my mind and this one seals the deal. Was really hoping for a good showing, so I"d be more confident for their Ultra Magnus. That confidence is slowly being eroded to the point where I"m barely on board anymore for Commander Stack. Good video as always!!!
Thanks Vinny, It really depends what you value most. Some people have told me they really love the look and gimmicks/accessories for Virtus and they don't transform him so it works for them. I need to be able to transform and mess with figures so it doesn't work for me, QC is number one for me
I love how there are a lot of options for a G1 Springer from these third party companies. Great comparison review, TM Reviews! Keep up the great work, man!
Thanks JJ
FTs chest is the best looking and a great focal point to the figure which in my opinion pulls it out ahead of the rest.
100% agree with you. The more V-shaped chest along with the sculpted grill that casts that natural shadow looks really nice. The other two look fairly boring and have a dad bod 😅
I much prefer the FT chest in person, just doesn't match the cartoon which looks bulky, unfortunately there is no category for preference
I think you nailed this comparison, having watchEd your XTB again it’s QC is just unacceptable. I have Apache and I did have Saltus before I had to sell him, which I regret. MMC figure is definitely the winner aswell in my eyes even with the alt mode sacrifices, hopefully I’ll pick up Saltus again in the future. Great comparison
Thanks man
After watching countless MP scale Springer reviews, I decided to buy the MMC /Ocular Max Saltus. It’s so good! Yeah the Alt modes aren’t entirely accurate, but I actually prefer MMC’s helicopter design. Another complaint is the black arm hinges, but once you put him in cool poses (which you should always do), they’re pretty much hidden. Tight joints too! If MMC ever releases another version with painted arm hinges, I’ll buy it immediately and sell my current one. After watching this review, I feel like transforming Saltus just for fun.
It is definitely fun, thanks for watching!
I ended up selling mine because I didn’t like his proportions but he’s definitely a great figure and feels 10/10
Dang, so no Springer at all?
@@TMReviews haha no that’s why I was talking about looking at XTB but I think I agree the cons outweigh the pros 😩
The extra head on the mmc is a studio ox styled head, not a idw head
Ah makes sense
After all, Ocular Max is shortened to OX, like the Studio
Still favor mmc springer over the competition
Same
The comparison I’ve been waiting for! Great job, thank u
Thanks
Saltus is my choice. I see they are dropping prices on Apache. MMC Saltus is just superior.
Saltus is a good all around bot
How can XTB wins the paint since it’s just came out and with pint chip already? I understand it has more paint used, but I don’t think that matters, if the fig looks fine without paint for some parts, I’m totally okay with it, but for a fig just came out within 2 weeks only and some paint already fell off? It’s a fail to me
If I had to go back and change any one point it would be paint, I'd give it to MMC instead since it has the second most amount of paint and no issues, but this wouldn't change the result of the comparison at all
Another good comparison (since Vs sounds conformational LOL...sorry was dealing with HR meetings) video between three options of a figure. Aesthetics and the ability to DO what the toy is designed to do are those areas that you went to great deal to separate and view..which is exactly what viewers' main concerns may lie.
Personally, I do find the MMC and XTB options for pleasing to the eye based on this video. I do not have my copy of XTB in hand YET to compare with my FT and my MMC.
I will need to see how difficult I find the transformations. The benefit of that with XTB and MMC is that they come in an alt mode and thereby forces the buyer to see how they feel the quality materials and engineering really play out...something that may not be seen in a video.
QC is an unfortunate, and personally acknowledged, element in the XTB...common items that are being seen across the board include the paint scratch, misfitting weapons, and continued engineering choices. While the reviews I've seen of the XTB doesn't look at difficult or frustrating that you had with your copy, my opinion on that may change once it's in hand. But for good or ill, I won't hop on the XTB is trash train..just as I won't go on the FT is Trash lane...It is critical feedback, which should be encouraged NO MATTER THE BRAND. Being able to cite that without fear of being absconded by those who clutch pearls or circle the wagons because you spoke ill of their beloved idol. That's something I've had to take to hear due to my own historical rantings.
Main thing, there are options...and the collector knows what works for him/her best. I'll have my fleet of Springers after this and I'll slim down one of them..You've made your choice pretty clear..hopefully others can articulate their choices as well.
Well stated 🌟🤓
What G said
Loved this.
I have been waiting for the XTB to come out to see which springer to upgrade my Big Spring.
MMC was my preference before XTB landed.... and MMC is still probably going to be the one.
Thanks for the great review 👍
Thanks for watching!
If Magnus and runabout and run amuck are trash I’m giving up on XTB I’m rooting for them because their sculpts are top shelf but man their QC is awful. When I got Janssen I thought it was the superior Perceptor but a couple months later and Janssen is falling apart and lose (did not transform once) and tesla 2.0 is still solid as a rock and breathtaking I feel like tesla 2.0 was a slept on release it’s one of FT best
Interesting to hear, thanks for sharing
I’m going to borrow a term used by Mike Rogers to refer to all the Springers-“Fleet.” I’m going to keep these 3 guys plus Allen and Big Spring. Can never have enough Springers in the “Fleet.” Another awesome review!
Thanks
If Virtus' chest actually tabbed in, it would have won in my eyes. It is very well engineered, especially the legs, but due to the lack of a chest tab (I'm sorry that I keep mentioning it but it really infuriates me), it feels like it isn't. I don't even care about the backpack, since it makes the transformation quite simple. To me, Virtus is a bare pass that could have so easily been a 9 or 10, but they few mistakes they made really drag down the overall figure.
The best is missing....Robot Heros Springer
This is the review I wanted to see! Great job. Also agree on the results. MMC is just a much cleaner figure.
Thanks
if it worked out, I would keep all three.. but only if it worked out that one looked great in each mode and then display them as such... I think you have an opportunity to pull that off.
Thought your review said XTB can’t hold their weapons…if so, feels like you have to deduct for that ;-)
About the only category I disagree with is overall sculpt, I think FTs has the best silhouette. The torso and ab section look the best on FTs. Excellent comparison Sony. I am still happy I cancelled my XTB pre order.
Thanks Lowell, I still like FT quite a bit
I love the look of the MMC version
Glad that you do these, always helps with my decision since I don't collect multiples of 3rd party figures.
Thanks! That's the goal
I was looking forward to your opinions on these 👍🏻👍🏻
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i still like fans toys best in this comparison. However i don't like the engineering on the legs, such a pain!
I am a headsculpt kind of guy so regardless of how great the figure are, if the headsculpt sucks, im not buying it. Thats where FT shines. And thats why im sticking with Apache.
I really like the FT headsculpt
The results would've been different if the left knee ratchet worked right and there was no paint rub on the shoulders. If TMReviews got a good copy of Virtus, it probably would've won. And remember, there are a lot of GOOD copies of this figure out there. Sadly TMReviews got a lemon one. Something to also consider. I adore my MMC Saltus. He's my Springer. Apache isn't bad at all but he doesn't do it for me. I like it but there's something about it that is off. XTB has the look pretty much in every mode compared to the other two. He also has decent build quality and transformation really isn't that bad for an XTB product. I see XTB as a tie at the very least with MMC.
MMC Saltus for the win. But I haven't seen the video yet. LOL
You spoiled it for yourself lol
@@TMReviews I'm suprised FT only got 1 point. I was initially in on XTB, mainly because of the chopper gimmick and stand. But looking closely at the bot pictures, I did not like the lean yellow shoulder pads. I think MMC did it better. Just wish it was better painted, and had FT's Chest.
FT is my Springer. I transform it back and forth. It's good
I wish MMC does a Megatron version of him
A rare case where I think the XTB looks the best, at least in bot mode. It's a shame they're held back by QC and overengineering.
I really dislike the MMC's chest. Sure, it may look more cartoon accurate overall, but I think the Fanstoys just had a way more interesting looking sculpt, and a much better presence. Not as good as the XTB (which again, is rare, I typically love the FT look - especially when they go for the more heroic proportions), but still a much nicer figure to look at than the MMC in bot mode. Surprised the FT didn't come with additional faces.
No matter how objective are those comparisons, the subjectivity factor is still the most relevant, for example despite being slaughtered by the score, i still prefer Fanstoys offering, as it is a sturdy as it needs and it has that more heroic look that i dig, as i do not look for super toon accuracy. Great video anyway!
Very true, I also prefer FT over XTB even tho it scored poorly
Fantastic Review and Upload for these Marvelous Springer toys!!, A job well done.
Thanks!
Hopefully bro u can try to exchange that figure, seems like it came broke right out the box 📦.
Great comparison, I’ve had the Apache awhile but after seeing it compared to Mmc, I kinda like Mmc better
My categories are build, hardware, accuracy, sculpt, paint, articulation, transformation, alt modes, accessories, gimmicks and price.
The point distribution goes like this:
Build- FT and MMC
Hardware- XTB, FT and MMC
Accuracy- XTB and MMC
Sculpt- XTB and FT
Paint- FT
Articulation- MMC
Transformation- MMC
Car mode- XTB
Copter mode- XTB
Accessories- XTB
Gimmicks- XTB
Price- MMC
XTB- 07
FT- 03
MMC- 06
This is my opinion ;) but I'm keeping my MMC Springer.
Omg Bobby is going to be so mad. I would also give helicopter mode to XTB for the spinning blade look.
Lol
I finally got my shipping notice from ShowZ! I feel like I've been waiting for years.
I love Fans Toys but I also love MMC and MMC takes this one big time. I only have one X-transbots and that's Aegis but, I do like their figures. It's just there's usually some sort of QC issue(s) and there shouldn't be when the figures are this expensive.
MMC my brand 4ever and ever... its the most wonderfull and allways win in the versus
I just bought the fans toys version before I watched this. I'm still glad I did as I feel fanstoys version nailed the all important chest sculpt better than the other two. Visually looked more like springer. Glad I didn't get xtb version after the quality issues you mentioned. Reminds me of their stunticons. Love the look of them but gee whizz they are horrible quality wise. Cheers for the review.
Thanks! Yeah for me the looks and gimmicks of XTB don't overcome the quality issues so I stuck with FT and MMC
If you’re going to be last you’d better be best. I love my FT Apache, but I was hoping XTB would blow it away. I have no problem upgrading if a newer figure is better and Virtus was looking to be the most cartoon accurate to date - and in all three modes no less. Make me spend my money XTB. I’ve only been waiting for reviews from the gang (TMR, BSF, Paik etc.) on this before I went in on it but I honestly figured that after the Locke fiasco and the years of delays, XTB would knock it out of the park. Surely they’ve learned from past mistakes and I’d be swapping out my FT, but wouldn’t you know it? XTB is still dealing with QC issues and now even some paint issues. Oh, but boy do they have us covered with accessories! Pfft. Thanks for the review. Saved me $200.
Thanks for watching 👍
Kind of makes you wonder how they were able to score sooo many more points than the FT. Oh well, I guess “obbjectivity” tends to be a little more subjective around these parts. 😂
Yeah to be honest, XTB would have won if not for the QC and build issues, but my personal preference is FT
Wow definitely surprised about the score. I have the Fanstoys figure and like it the most because of the face sculpt and presence, but I wish it was sleeker like the XTB. While I rather other figures be tackled and do we need another Springer released years after other companies having good offering, I am glad that there are a lot of options for people new to collecting. Similarly happening with Trailbreaker now. Great vid.
Thanks Niles. I was surprised too lol
The XTB chest”grill” is unsightly imo. Way too flat and the grey was a weird choice. Maybe in black it would have looked better.
Hmm, considering he never leaves bot mode on my shelf guess I should have "sprung" for MMC instead of FT! Oh well, he still looks minty.
great vid reveiwing these. i do have a question. is there a good 3rd party alternative to the WFC Seige Springer? or would one of these be a good substitue. big issue is the "battle damage" paint
I don't understand why XTransbots didn't have the lighter shade of green around the cockpit. It is more accurate to the source, and would make the vehicle modes appear sleeker (which the car mode in particular could use).
Great comparison vid! Don't agree with the helicopter mode going to FT as I thought XTB just looked better especially in the proportions. But choice is a good thing. Any chance you'll revisit this comparison if you had access to UT Allen and Open and Play Spring? That would be one mega review for the ages. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, most likely will not do another Springer Comparison, I'm all springed out
I don’t know the toys. Labeling by manufacturer during the review would greatly help me keep up with who you are talking about. Good concept, but confusing to just repeatedly hear the names referenced without already knowing who you are talking about.
That additional 'sword' with the MMC is actually the centre prong/spike for the lance :)
Yup. But you can use it either way
@@TMReviews I guess :D. I agree with you that MMC is the best overall. I was surprised just how much I liked it over Apache when I had them both in hand.
Same, I'm an FT guy normally
Have to admit I still think FT's chest looks better IMO. I like the fact that the sculpt actually creates the shadows as opposed to the XTB one that has no shadows at all and the MMC one that just painted it black.
Ho there, new to the channel. Do you have any advice on what tge best flight stands are?
Depends on the type of figure. For smaller retail figures, I use Hasbro pulse stands. For larger MP figures, there are stands available from Amazon or something called flight pose
This review reminds me that I have to sell Apache. Saltus and Virtus are my definite go-to Springers though.
Hi, do any of these have the backpack holder for the sword like airwolf version? Also I haven't bought a transformer figure since I was a kid. Are their any G1 masterpiece figures that you would recommend as knocking it out of the park? (Looks good, durable, transforms easily enough etc).
Definitely all 3 are amazing figure forsure!! Everyone wins!! With this one!! As always great video TMR!♥️
Thanks man
Good video
Thanks Mike
It's funny. I now have 4 different versions of this character and I'm not even fond of him. Just happened to get them all at good prices. I don't need Virtus but if I find him at a good price, I'd get him for the accessories. The QC issues really are disappointing. I'm not preordering anything from XTB anymore and will just wait on reviews before deciding if I want a certain figure. I preordered their Perceptor and got him for retail because I needed him but the FansToys 2.0 version was more so I passed on that version. Haven't transformed Perceptor and not going to anyway as I don't care for his alt mode and his bot mode seems to be ok QC-wise.
Hey Sony, I know I'm commenting on a 2 year old video, but here's two things I found out belatedly about Saltus:
1) MMC/Ocular Max Saltus' trident is from a season 3 episode, "The Nightmare Planet", so it's fully G1!
2) Saltus' alternate head isn't meant to be his IDW look, it's based on the Studio OX art for G1.
Apologies if you already knew this. I just reckoned in case you didn't know you might enjoy checking it out. I'm still relatively new to G1 myself so when I first watched this video a couple months ago I had never ever seen that season 3 episode, and only had a vague notion of what Studio OX was. Anyway, I guess that solves the mystery why Saltus' alternate head sculpt is so different from the XTB one! X-Transbots went with IDW, and Ocular Max went with Studio OX! OPTIONS! :D
Great comparisons!
Thanks
the legs are like that on your copy ..mine is tight and everything is lock tight and solid on x-transbot
I can only speak to my copy
I believe in Unique Toys Allen supremacy!
Lol
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Since making the video have you sold any or decided what your keeping?
Sold Virtus to a member of my channel
I think x-transbot is the winner..me and emgo316..transform it .. and its not a nightmare..its was easy for me and best cartoon accurate out there..i also have fantoys..and i love fantoys..but x-transbot to me is better the the other two...
No love for Big Spring lol. I love Big Spring. I'd have to choose MMC
i had no trouble transforming x-transbot it was fun
Yep, that's why it's subjective
I don't have any of the three......do i still win?
I have not done a systematic comparison like this, but I have FT, MMC, and Open & Play. While I don't think O&P isn't necessarily the best in many categories (besides Price), but as a total Springer package I feel like it is the best. I keep thinking about picking up the Robot Hero Air Wolf that has the significantly improved face and is actually painted.
I'd love to get saltus except car mode is the worst one I've seen out of all the options out there.
True, I'm actually selling saltus right now. Contact me on Facebook if interested
should include Hero RH-02
Yeah I was thinking the same thing.
I think that the Robot Hero version is actually better than these three if we take in consideration price, accessories and engineering!
Didn't have him available
@@rubenlopez7142 RH will win price category but lose every single other one yes it’s affordable which is great but the saying is true “you get what you paid for” and if I wanted Michael Jackson cosplaying as springer then yes I would get RH(sculpt is terrible and the body is a direct rip off of MMC. It’s not even in the same conversation as these three…
To me the xtransbots is my favorite but I got the rH one shipped for like $75. I do want to see all 4 up against each other. I'm sure they will each have their strengths and weaknesses
I'm glad I don't own any of them, I'm happy with my original, at least he stands well. All this review please, spare me. How can they design a piece with so much weight and super weak ankles, oh my bad I didn't know people are born without ankles, shit I didn't get that memo.
#1 fanstoys
#2 xtb
#3 mmc
I know people love the mmc but it seems light years behind the other two
Springer: No Way Home
I’ve had all 3 of these, sold my mmc copy and I’m keeping FT and XTB. I like those two the most. Great comparison video was done very fair.
Thanks
The black elbow/arm part on Saltus is super distracting and ugly to me. It just looks cheap and very un-masterpiece to me. Maybe I’m biased as an Apache owner. My only issue with Apache is that he doesn’t hold his gun well.
Good comparison. The way the X-Transbots is built, it looks like they rushed getting it out the door (even though they took forever to release it). Like, regardless of the mode that you have it in, the build quality takes the the fun completely out of the figure (in robot mode, it looks like a wobbly mess and to get it into the alt modes, you need to bend plastic parts and risk chipping the paint). I feel like for comparisons, build quality would be a really high priority for me mainly due to the fact that transforming figures need to be posed and transformed. For me, Apache is still the best and MMC is really good as well.
I am not a huge Springer fan. Not crazy about the helicopter or car mode, they are OK but never did much for me. I do think his robot mode is cool looking though. And for that overall the XTB wins for me. MMC is a close 2nd for bot mode though. I love that XTB are so ambitious but sometimes they tend to fall short because they aim so high. I expect to see Apache 2.0 soon as we all know FT can't handle being outmatched :)
Lol, Apache 2.0
I took notice while you were turning around X-Transbots springer, he wobbles. But you don't mention any of it, you only focus on cosmetics. Should not be comparing nor giving reviews if you are willing to put in the work on every square inch of the items.
It wouldn't matter if the items cost one dollar, BUT THEY Don't, DON'T THEY.
I was extremely critical of the x-transbots virtus figure in my review, I actually recommended against buying it, I'm guessing you didn't watch that video or the final thoughts on this video
Can't they see that each one of them has way to big chest?
Good review
Thanks
It really is amazing how people can look at the exact same thing and see something so different. While they did well with the details I felt like XTB's upper body proportions were far too skinny to be cartoon accurate in robot mode. On the other hand I felt XTB's legs were the most accurate.
x-transbots would have been the winner for me if it wasnt for the mediocre leg articulation
Before watching the video I said saltus was the best. I have ft n mmc
so in conclusion.......Xtransbots = FLOPPY MESS
I don't buy XTB anymore. Too many problems.
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Yeah x transbots nailed everything, except the ankles, you know he does not stand well at all, funny you don't mention that.
Apache wins unanimous for me. Looks strong in all modes. The real debate is going to be between FT Outrider and Takara Trailbreaker. Saw that FT video of Outrider, I gotta say, I’m very impressed.
Ft all the way TT looks awful and will feel like cheap plastic per usual
I find it really disappointing when you reviewers ONLY compare figures to their cartoon version and never the movie version. Springer was introduced in the movie and Fanstoys absolutely nail his aesthetic and that is totally disregarded in this entire review. You mention cartoon accuracy in bot mode - well Springer's most prominent feature is his chest as it has his vehicle vents. You showed a cartoon image, Fanstoys looked EXACTLY like it (in terms of chest vent replication - proportions, size, angles etc) and again totally disregarded. But then you talk about how accurate the legs might be or the shoulders etc. It's just totally inconsistent reviewing. You also review paint but don't even review paint colour. How is that a review? Again Fanstoys smashed the overall colour with the shades of greens v yellow playing off each other perfectly but you ignore that in bot mode then I'm vehicle mode you select much brighter colours for your cartoon image and then say the others win. I'm not a Fanstoys fangirl by any means but I feel you did the figure down massively. Some really good observations eg the trunk junk and the yellow bits here and there which aren't accurate but it's the inconsistency of the approach coupled your refusal to consider movie accuracy as well as toon accuracy makes the review results redundant.
I'm good,. Thanks
At least the complete trash tier bum that is the Toyworld offering ain't here. But no love for Robot Hero or Open and Play in this comparison?? (Doesn't matter to me that much, this only solidified my affinity for the MMC offering)
I could only show the ones I had with me
The XTB figure looks SOOO good... up until you pick it up and it starts flopping around.
Yup
I'm also surprised about your score. I thought Apache, while not cartoon accurate, was still a nice figure given its age. Perhaps there will be a 2.0; if not, I'm good. I don't like any other offerings.
I still like Apache personally, I think it could have tied for a point on the build, but it probably wouldn't affect the final result
look again at the transformers the movie x-transbot nail both mode
Excellent vs again...This time, I can't claim I have all 3 because I did not go for XTB. There's just too much wrong with XTB to overthrown MMC. My gripes with XTB, Chest Grill too big, shoulders a bit smallish, Dark Green 2 dark, Face Skulps look Feminish, and lastly the dropped top of thighs look odd. All this was just visual, add in all the Physical QC and it's a NO buy. Agreed on MMC as Winner, Overall it is the Best action figure Transforming Springer. With that said FTs has the Presence and XTB is the best Representation of Alt Modes, But it takes more than Presence and or Representation to WIN.
Good Vs 🌟🤑... I had XTB and MMC a tie on articulation XTB wins Helicopter.
Thanks G
That x trans it’s is a heap of junk
x-transbot articulation are better to me
Fans toys only got 1 point
mmc helicopter mode sucks ..i have fantoys but to bulky..x-transbot is best
All these three figures are bad in comparison with Robot Hero RH-02 Airwolf!
Stop thinking with your wallet lol for the price yes but In a vacuum hell no lol consumer bias
@@PSYCHOWORLD it's not just a matter of saving money though... These figures are totally overengineered and not even in that way they obtained to look better in any mode than Robot Hero's figure!
🤣🤣 yeah right, Fanstoys alone blows that chug figure outta the sky
@@rubenlopez7142 you’re smoking something lol RH looks terrible the face sculpt alone looks like a kid drew it lol