WOoooo!!! You all went crazy and bought the Murano and it's totally sold out now!! Friendly reminder the tower version is still in stock. Yes I will try to review the other Cabasse speakers that are 50% off on upscales website. I'll post an update in the community section once I have more info. Have a great day everyone!!
Hey Nemo. These are exiting! Do you think Murano would also be sufficient for home theater with no sub or center for a small room or even a mid size room in the bass department? Or go with the towers for both music and Home theater based on the bookshelf bass output you experienced? Thank you.
@@chriskiato680 high bro, bookshelves are sold out, generally speaking in theater settings bigger is better so the towers are an easy choice. My buddy got the towers for his theater to replace the Arendal 1961 towers and he's absolutely blown away!
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you Nemo! I think many of us would be looking for something that does both HT and music well with a quality AV receiver. I was tempted with the ATC's but these appear to be a better overall option. Many thanks! Looking forward to your tower review soon. :) Update: I just compared the dimensions between the Alto and the Murano and the the Altos are wider and significantly deeper. They are huge! These may be overkill for my room. Can you please let me know how deep do you estimate the Murano's go? Thank you.
Yeah, I purchased the mahogany prior to your video going live but they called me on Monday to say only black and white were left. While I hate piano black gloss finishes I still couldn't pass up such a great deal.
@@chriskiato680 bass response is highly room dependant and I don't measure anything so I'd rather not guess but it's bass power in inline with most of the powerful bass speakers like CSS, R3 Meta, Buchardt, Dynaudio Special 40, etc...
so happy i took the time to watch this video. just drove down to upscale and picked up my pair based on your review. they sound fantastic . couldn't be happier. thanks man
Eric, did you by chance check out the Cabasse Abyss streamer, DAC/DSP amplifier? Just curious, and how are the Murano's? Mine should be here this Tuesday. Chomping at the bit. ;-)
Eric, the Murano's arrived the other day, just hooked them up and OMG, at least in my room... The sound staging, the separation, everything. If I had the money, I would buy the towers, at $1798 ea those are a steal.
Thanks for informing us about the sale, I snagged a pair. I don't understand how these speakers can have such detail and play so loud without being fatiguing. The sound stage just gets enormous as you play them louder!! They are so heavy, too. I am amazed!
@@samidebs3559 These sound incredible to say the least, I can only imagine at this point. These are serious speakers that check all of the boxes, and they were a steal! If I had $3500 laying around, I would buy the Murano Towers in a heartbeat.
Thanks to Mr. Nemo's passionate sales pitch I too could not resist the 50% off clearance deal at Upscale Audio and my white Murano's arrived this morning. Beautifully finished, well packaged, top quality construction. I put them in place of my KEF R3's. As mentioned by Nemo, the KEF R3's have a lot of bass but not as much as the Murano's. I'm shocked by the amount of bass coming out of these Murano bookshelves. Even with the bass rolled off on my EQ I keep reaching down to my subwoofer to ensure it is off. The Murano's easily go down below 40Hz in my room. The speakers do not come with port plugs, but those would be good to tune down the bass. The Murano's highs and mids are refined and plentiful. Better than the R3's. Thus far I'm getting great sound on simpler, well recorded songs with acoustic instruments (blues, jazz, etc.) and vocals. With the somewhat unruly bass, more complex and louder music (like rock) gets a little too boomy to my taste. But I haven't fully broken in the speakers so we'll see how it goes!
let them get 50+ hours on them, things should change a bit, my pair was fully broken in by upscale so I have limited experience with the break-in of the speaker. If the bass is a little ruly just know bass is the thing that changes the most during break-in, at least in my experience but try pulling them forward another inch if you can. I had the same issue with the Buchardt P300 and sean from zerofidelity said to give them 1 more inch, I didnt' think 1 inch would make a difference but oh my goodness it was a dramatic improvement!!
@@NemoPropaganda I took your advice and moved them 1-1.5 inch more away from the wall (26" inch total now measured from front baffle) and it truly made a HUGE difference. With EQ defeated on my Vincent SA-32 pre-amp the bass is way more controlled. I've had them on the TS A75 power amp and an ST-70 with Mullard EL34 tubes and it sounds divine!!! Bass is unbelievably deep and complete and textured, but not boomy or overwhelming.
@@robertjanv hell yeah brother, I'm super happy for you, for the record I've had the opposite happen too where something will sound awful, 1-2" further back and boom, perfection, same with toe in or toe out, setup is super important!!
I got the Murano Altos this week and they are AMAZING! I tried to make a comment about them, a review of sorts, but for some reason TH-cam keeps deleting it. Anyways, I absolutely love these speakers, they are incredible!!!
hell yeah brother!! Yeah I've heard that from some other people, one guy got made and thought it was me deleting his post over and over lol. If you're in the free discord post up some pics!! I'd love to see it!! discord.gg/QTfXwaGz
Also, I got the Cabasse Abyss amplifier to go with my Murano Altos and I really love this integrated amplifier. There is a setting to match the amplifier with the specific Cabasse speakers you own and it does some magic that I'm not prepared to fully understand or explain. The absolute sound has a review of it. Either way, I am loving the synergy between the amp and speakers. The room correction that is built in has been VERY helpful to me. Some songs are just harsher than others because that's how it was recorded. And I am able to go with a few easy clicks and dial it down. The Abyss runs 120 watts into 8ohms and 215 watts into 4ohms I believe. And Nemo, last but not least. Thank you brother. You made my audiophile dreams come true buddy. You have my appreciation for all your hard work and labor for the videos you put out to inform your viewers, of which I am but one. But seriously, thank you so much for making me aware of this sale at Upscale and the review on the Murano. I was in the market for a tower and the Murano Altos are a dream come true! Thank you bro!!!
@@themarklar8759 thank you for saying that, it means a lot to me, my main goal has always been to remind people to have fun, I think us audiophiles get a little updtight at times and I wanted to help people stop obsessing and get back to just having fun. You're pretty close to what I would consider endgame, in terms of speakers at least!! That's a pair of speakers I can see just about anyone keeping for the longhaul!!
Nemo! You got me again! I just ordered a pair in black, going to have a little shootout with the Fyne F500SP's I picked up thanks to your review. Keep them coming! These should look fantastic on my SolidSteel "Raw" stands. Chomping at the bit!
Thanks Nemo! I saw your thumbnail yesterday and did some research on these. I've been wanting to upgrade my LS-50 Metas and these are just too good of a deal to pass up. Went with the beautiful mahogany. I like the concentric/coaxial style speakers. I've got a Parasound Halo Hint 6, so I'm hoping these are a good match. These will be my first true audiophile speakers. Now I just need to sell my KEFs to recoup some of my money!
@@NemoPropaganda I suppose you are correct. I guess it will be my first step into the big boy range though. I'm glad you mentioned the R3s, as they were high in my list. I'm super excited!
Okay, so half off retail there were audio cat nip for me. I bought a pair for a couple weeks and enjoy them a lot. (Cabasse says they extensively break them in at the factory) I'm used to warmer less detailed Proacs, so these are definitely presenting so much more nuance and detail. Great deal and a taste of higher end that you might not normally be willing or able so shell out the bucks for. These were a good match with the Unison Research Due with the right tubes but really hit home on a combination of a Rogue hybrid RP5 preamp and two Belles Aria mono amps. You are essentially buying these at a used price you would expect after a couple years use. Upscale said they are changing lines so once gone, other retailers will be back to retail meaning when the sale speakers are gone you can sell the Muranos on for what you paid for them if you wish. .
Great Video! I own these and you are correct on every point. I liked them so much I went and bought the Murano Alto which is the floorstanding version of these which, BTW, are also on sale half price.
@@MrDevinDinosaur do you mind giving a comparison between the Murano bookies and the Alto floor standers? I assume the sound signature is pretty similar? I'm heavily considering getting the bookshelves but I may go full tilt and get the Altos instead. Are the Altos a sufficient improvement to warrant the extra dough? At 50% off it seems like an incredible opportunity.
@themarklar8759 basically same as bookshelf with more bass punch and go alittle lower. The carpet spikes are very small, so small they would not pierce thru completely so I mounted outriggers
Can you give a quick overview of the sound signature of the Altos? Similar to Murano I assume but more bass? I am also curious if the soundstage and imaging remains an excellent sonic presentation with the Altos? I'm VERY interested!
@@themarklar8759 They pretty much sound the same as the bookshelf with more bass punch and go a little lower. Maybe you give up a small amount of imaging, but very little that was not a deal breaker for me.
Damn! I almost purchased these a few months ago (went with PMC 22i Active instead). If they'd been on sale back then, I definitely would have jumped for the floor standing version.
Excellent review. Very tempting. The main drawback is upscale audio charges a 30% restocking fee in case one chooses to return them within the 60-day window. I would love to give them a try but not with that risk.
life is all about risk my bro but at 50% off I think it's fairly low, either way the Mahogany already appear to be sold out so you have to decide quickly if you want the white or black.
30% is ridiculous..just my opinion. Though I've ordered from places that are similar. I bought an expensive preamp recently. After demoing it I really didn't feel it was worth the price..it's good but a little overpriced in comparison to others I've had or tried. At 25% the $700 restocking fee was just large enough for me to keep it though. And now I'll probably spend another $600 upgrading some parts in it to make me happy with it. So now I'm really over spending. It sucks.
Nemo, thank you for this review. I believe I was actually swayed by it and snagged the last black lacquer pair available 😊. Your genuine enthusiasm for these showed through, and that in the context of all the speakers you have experienced is all the more valued! It’s appreciated.
hell yeah brother, I'm just super happy so many people were able to get this great deal!! My buddy upgraded his whole theater, Murano towers up front and the bookies in the rear!
I'm currently auditioning the Muranos and the ATC SCM40 v2. The ATCs dome midrange are quite interesting, but the Muranos beat the ATCs in every way including bass extension, incredibly. (Clayton S-100 class A monoblocks) They have a beguiling smoothness superior to any of the many high $$ I've owned. Class A speakers brothers. (My Clayton amps are a factor.)
Grest review my man! Aww damn, I am so tempted to get these at that price!!! The finish is incredible. Also, Upscale appears to have the Cabasse Murano Alto floorstander 50% off as well at 3600 (regular 7200). I may be at End Game speaker territory! Nemo, any chance you have listened to the Murano Alto over there at Upscale? Wondering if its the bookshelf but just more of everything good?
I have not bro, if you're seriously interested in the tower maybe try calling upscale and chat with one of the guys, they are really down to earth people.
I think one would be better off with these and a good sub for what its worth. Can adjust height, placement easier. Easier to ship too. But I am a stand mount guy myself.
Nemo, First of all, thank you for all the work you do: really honest, detailed/instructive and enjoyable to watch. 🙏🙏🙏 Second, all the best with your injury: hope you recover quickly. If you don't mind me asking: how do these Murano compare, to your ears, to your/the CSS 1TDX please? I own a pair of CSS 1TDX (with a custom-made cross-over) and I'm eager to hear from you how much of a "step-up" the Muranos are OR how they (may) differ. Thank you for your time 🙏🙏🙏 and take good care of yourself. LPG
the CSS sound is darker & warmer, bass power is similar but Murano is more effortless and has much more resolution in the midrange and treble. If you have a cheap amp like $500 or so either speaker is a great option but if you have like a $3k+ amp the Murano will be a big improvement.
hey bro sorry to hear that you're injured. I admire the determination to keep on pumping out awesome content. Hope you're fully recovered in record time.
Hey Nemo, much appreciated on the honest value recommendation. I promise I watch everything and do my homework but I’m stuck on the specs of the Murano. It says the lower end is 48hz vs Buchard s400 which is 33hz +/- 3db. Do you think the measurement of the Murano was taken differently or is it maybe a typo? That’s a really big difference to reconcile or maybe I’m missing something? Thanks as always
Hi bro, this is why I always ignore specs, if you notice in my reviews I never talk about specs or measurements because most of it is meaningless. Don't get me wrong, some measurements can be helpful but most are not and only cause more confusion. Some brands are very conservative with their spec like REL, Rythmik & Cabasse, other brands are very aggressive with their spec, I will not name names here but trust me it's true. Measurements are easy to fudge and measurements can be taken many different ways. Think of tires, many people who are not into cars don't know this but tire sizes of the EXACT same size by different brands are NOT the same size, because brands measure tires differently. 275/30/21 Pilot Sport 4S is almost 1" narrower than 275/30/21 Dunlop SportMax GT. Same tire size bro, dunlop is 1" wider, that's a huge difference! Here is an audio example: Yamaha says their RS202 amp is 100w a channel hmmm, but the 50w RSL IA255.1 plays so much louder also the 50w Emotiva TA1, and the 50w iotaVX SA40, all these amps with less watts play much louder than the Yamaha RS202. Buchardt S400 MK2 bass is great, it's powerful, it extends low yes, but the Cabasse extends lower, can play louder, is fuller sounding, better distinction (contrast), and is tighter overall. S400 MK2 bass cannot compete with Cabasse Murano bass. Forget about specs.
@@NemoPropaganda incredibly helpful- also the tire thing blows my mind too, that one I don’t get at all. Too bad specs are listed more from a marketing than an informational standpoint sometimes. Oh well thanks for being around to straighten us out!
For WIW, I considered both the Murano and Fritz although larger than what I was targeting. Smaller speakers can do things larger drivers don't as well but these seem to have alot of separation and depth for larger monitors. So I dug out all the subjective and "objective" data and opinions I could find and came across a German review site that measured the Murano. I initially thought it would be a speaker too difficult to drive as the Manuf stated these drop below 4 ohms but the site shows it to be much more amplifier friendly, maybe dipping into the upper 4 ohm range but staying over 5 ohms more often. The frequency curve doesn't show an overblown bass so it would be more subdued at lower levels but in line with the overall SPLs. Interestingly, the curve follows my Opticon 1 much along 55hz to 2 kHz with some variation but more similar than expected. Doesn't mean they sound alike as the Murano have more bass punch, texture, etc., etc., but at lower SPLs, there could be some similarities noticed. So, from the curve, its seems to be an 87dB +/-2dB speaker per the prescribed way things are measured, 2.43 or something volts approximating a watt of power from around 55 Hz to 3kHz. Where it differs from all my other speakers is in the very upper mids., and highs which show a strong downward slope after 3kHZ at 30 degrees off axis. Angling them towards you should give more airiness and highs but still controls much of the region where sibilants reside. I can see how these come across as sounding more refined especially as you angle them out a bit, which is a good thing. The takeaway, is these appear to not be as difficult to drive as one might suspect. They are designed to take alot of power so for those that listen at loud levels, they may do the trick. But at lower to more moderate levels, I think they would be fine and still show much of their capabilities with a lower powered but quality amp, particularly when hooked up to a good sub. Note: Some people think it isn't worth spending thousands on a speaker if one doesn't listen at louder levels where the quality of design and purpose is most fully heard, but these are not quite at that level of speaker either. At its discounted price, its probably the speaker to beat especially for the more "casual audiophile" (whatever that means). So not as difficult a load on an amp, probably sb regarded as a 6 ohm speaker, and the large magnet on the woofer would respond better to high current amps but one would still get much of the good mids and highs IMO. The Fritz might be a more benign load for tubes. The Fritz is stated to sound slightly laid back according to some but most find it balanced, perhaps a bit softer than a French speaker. Both are fine speakers that punch above their class. I like simple unglossed wood veneers too as gloss wood can have too much glare. Hard to tell on the web but it looked like it was highly reflective. Would have loved the Mahogany unglossed. If I bite on this speaker I would opt for white though I would prefer a black grill for that visual pop. White doesn't show fingerprints as readily as black. I also have Focal 807Ws which havn't sold yet and they beat out all other speakers I have compared them too in tonal textures, detail and still vg resolution though not as high resolution as some with electrostatic tweeters, etc. I would expect both Fritz and Murano to be an upgrade but these are still somewhat large monitors. The 807W is a big speaker. Hence one of the reasons I wanted to downsize in addition to getting more stage depth and separation (I like hearing spatial effects in the recording) which sometimes smaller drivers can do better although so far I have taken a hit on tonal textures and/or some transparency. Will have to see what I end up with. With a sub, the old Opticon 1 isn't bad. Doesn't do large performances as well but not bad at all. The newer ones were made more refined and need more power to play louder. Seems companies are tending towards refinement of the highs these days but some go overboard with the end result sounding too dark for me anyhow.
It sounded great on all the amps I used :) The 20W Brunoco Terra was great, so was the EL34 Galion, my Kinki mono blocks and even the $110 RSL iA255.1 did great!!
it's great but speakers with strong bass generally need a little volume for that bass to come out so low volume as in 70-75dB no problem, but 69dB or lower you may wish for something higher in sensitivity, lighter bass, and lighter moving mass like the Kanta No1.
I am so glad I took your advice Nemo, thank you again, these Murano speakers are simply incredible. They make the Fyne F500SP sound like Randy's favorite Sony speaker that goes on sale every now and then on Amazon. I have the Cabasse Abyss out on the porch, it just got here, I will grab that shortly... Guys, when Nemo says it is good, believe him. Thanks again Nemo, now time for a HAPPY DANCE! 😁 On Edit: If I had the cash, I would buy the Murano Towers, they are still available at $1798 each. Now I kind of wish I went with them... These speakers simply sound incredible.
hell yeah brother, i would do the happy dance with you but I just had hernia surgery yesterday so no dancing for me, congrats on your new speakers!! If bass is too strong try another inch from the wall. Bass heavy speakers can be sensitive to rear wall distance.
@@NemoPropaganda No issues with bass Nemo! These puppies ROCK! You nailed it with these speakers. You were spot on with the Fyne F500SP's I bought due to your recommendation, but these Cabasse Murano's, these are night and day. Nemo, you are honestly one of the very few I trust in regards to audio gear out here. I have bought a few pieces over the past few years based on reviews, but you sir, are the only reviewer that has not failed me. The Fyne's and now the Murano's, well done sir! And that hernia will heal fast, just follow the doctors orders. Try a North Pole magnet, look up Lyon Magnetics, the damn things work. Get their "Brick". I used to be an orthopedic surgical nurse, they work on bones and soft tissue. Trust me on that, get one, and grab a few of their wrist and ankle magnetic bands. Thank me later. ;-).
@@michaelwright1602 thank you for the kind words my bro!! The F500sp is super cool and very good at its price but yeah, the Murano is really on another level. When I made that bold statements like "the murano is better than all the $2.5k speakers" I really meant it. One think I've always found frustrating in reviews is when someone says this item is better than something else they never mention the something else. If a product punches above its weight for example what are some more expensive items it beats? If the reviewer is not telling us they're just yapping nonesense. So I have always done my best to give the context and compare to other products. it's difficult sometimes because I never want to talk poorly about something ya know, most stuff is really good these days so it's like yeah product X is better than product Y but product Y is still pretty good. The Murano really was the best deal in hifi of 2024!!
@@NemoPropaganda Spot on Nemo, you really nailed these Murano speakers. I am listening to them right now on the Cabasse Abyss amplifier with DSP and am quite impressed to say the least. I do prefer the Murano's on my A/B, ToneWinner gear. You really need to check these guys out, ToneWinner. SummitHiFi, the AD-1PRE+ and their AD-1 PA+ amplifier. I think you will like this combo better than your Kinki. No clue what ToneWinner is doing, but they nailed it.
@@michaelwright1602 I dunno about that, I love my kinki gear, that AD1PA+ weighs 93 lbs on its own, that's heavier than both my mono blocks combined so I don't think they're similar products in any way. one is class ab while the other is class a, I'm sure it's great but I don't like heavy gear nor gear that generates a ton of heat. I also keep my amps on full time so class A or tubes really aren't for me. Again, I'm sure it sounds great, but I don't think its for me.
it's good but any speaker with strong bass needs some juice to take advantage of that, they will sound fine at lower volumes but you will not be hearing its very best.
Any chance you could try their other two lines? All of their stuff is on sale, their other two bookshelf speakers are ~$400/pair and ~$700/pair. Be really interesting to see how they stack up against these.
Depends what kind of inventory Upscale has, I know they were healthy with this model so I felt comfortable promoting it, if he's in a good stock position with the rest I'll consider checking them out!!
@@NemoPropagandaSounds good to me, thanks 👍. Also, of you managed to get your mits on a Border Patrol DAC, that'd be awesome too. Would really like to hear your opinion on their SE-i model sometime
From what I read/heard by other reviews, the Antigua MC170 gives alot of bass, displays a fairly linear mids and highs with highs being upfront but softer than a metal dome. For the price hard to beat. I don't expect a tight layered bass but shouldn't be a loose mess. Stated to have good depth as well. Could use without a sub. A good budget introductory speaker. The next move up is kind of strange as it seems to lack the strong lows of the cheaper model. Probably more resolving, better imaging but there are discontinuities in its presentation from others' view. definitely need a sub. The Murano is the more audiophile speaker I suppose, upping the game in each area. My question is it easy to drive or does it need a beast of an amp? If I were to buy one over say a Fritz or Totem, I would definitely hope to like it as Cabasse isn't so well marketed in the US and resale even with known brands is difficult. Fritz and Totem would be easier to resell, IMO. Looking forward to the review too. Right now, Fritz is the one I would take (if I were ready to outlay the $$$) because its easy to drive, stated to sound great and looks classic. Totem just seems an enigma to me. I would really have to hear one personally.
@@NemoPropagandaI know you said you don’t want to continue to compare the Cabasse Murano to anything in the $2k range, given just how good they are. Would absolutely love to know whether you have any experience with the Wharfedale AURA 2 ($2.5k, at times on sale for $2k). Received a very positive review from Erin. I trust your opinion. Thank you
@@pkale69 I have not, it looks like an evolution of the 4.2 and I didn't really like that one, it sounded great but was super fussy and a big pain in the butt to review.
how quiet? Speakers with strong bass usually need a little juice for that bass to come out and their beauty is usually 70dB+ where that powerful bass can lay a nice foundation for the sound so if you are a below 70dB listener yeah it will sound good but you won't be getting the most out of them.
@@NemoPropaganda I don't have a db meter, so I don't really know what 70db sounds like vis a vis music, but I live in an apartment, and don't want to disturb the neighbors, so I listen on the quiet side. Based on your response, it sounds like these speakers are not as good for quiet listening as, say, the Triangle Borea BR03, or the ZU DWX, is that right?
@@seankasabuske1986 this is a better speaker than those, it will sound better no matter what, as far as a dB meter if you have an iphone download decibelX the iPhone mic is very accurate and I have tested that app against my $60 dB meter and it gives the same results.
Hey Nemo, great video - thank you. Do you think these speakers would play well if they are within three feet of the wall (measured from the front of the speaker)?
@@NemoPropaganda Great, thank you for the quick reply. I bought a pair. For anyone who's considering a purchase, Upscale only has white and black available.
One more if/when you have time - I am using the DAC in the Bluesound Node - is that DAC preventing me from realizing the full potential of the Murano? If yes, what is a DAC that would be a good complement?
@@rockp5396 of course it is, but I used the internal dac of the node for 1-2 years myself so its also good enough to get you going. Very few of us can affrod to upgrade everything all at the same time my bro so don't get fomo okay! As far as which dac, who cares, don't think of upgrades for now, just enjoy your new purchase, get to know the Murano, become friends with it for awhile, and then when you have learned what its all about then you can decide which direction to go in with a dac upgrade. Hope that makes sense!
@@NemoPropaganda Hey Nemo, thank you for diffusing my upgraditis! I just listened to the Muranos for the first time. Out of the gate they are great - the only potential issue is that the sound is a bit harsh/fatiguing in the treble region, at least relative to my old Revels. I am running a Arcam SA20. What would you recommend to address this issue assuming it continues beyond the initial acclimatizing period?
The Philharmonic BMR stomped everything at the Arizona Audio club shootout at 2k…including R3, KLH Model 5, ATC 11, triangle 40th, Buchart, etc…looks like BMR could have competition here with Kevin closing these out at dealer cost.
@@NemoPropaganda if you google arizona audio video club speaker palooza you can see the published results of over 50 audiophiles ranking their favorite speakers in the $2000ish price category. It’s super rare to have a big shootout like this with popular speakers.
Hi Nemo, How do these compare to the Platimons and the Fritz Carbons? ... (I know those require less power and are Low Volume Champions!), -- besides that, I'd love to hear your thoughts...
the platimons are on another level, Platimons were designed to compete with stuff much more expensive, amplifier pairing and recording quality become of paramount importance. Platimon brings the level of resolution where you really have to be intentional with what you're doing to get the best sound. It's true high end. The Fritz can hang with the Murano, they're in the same ballpark but the Murano has a slight leg up overall.
While I think these are a great option... At their initial (pre-sale) price... compare these to the Buchardt Anniversary 10, which are also active speakers. (At least on paper) Now those probably don't need a sub at least in a small room.
@@NemoPropaganda Subs aren't powered? 😁 (just kidding) Uhm yeah... I get that... there are only a couple powered speakers that are worthy of being reviewed, yet some feel that its the future and the segment is growing. Never say never.
Ok, have to ask how can you say that a sub is optional when the specs say the range is from 48Hz to 24K? To me, that screams of needed a sub. Don't get me wrong, at roughly ~$2K its not a bad deal, but I think it needs to be paired w a good sub. A small Rel perhaps? Or what would you recommend based on the quality of the speakers?
measurements don't tell the whole story, my in-room response was low 30's, how much bass is enough is a very personal thing. How much sugar or creamer is enough with a coffee? Some people like it black if the coffee is good enough on its own.
@@C-man553 Thx, I'll take your and Nemo's word. I agree w the specs don't tell the whole story which is why I watch guys like Nemo to help get more info.
Nice review :) I’m terms of Bass how does it outperform Buchardt s400mk ii since their response is 33hz vs the 48hz of the Murano? Sadly not available at that price in the UK - around £3500 here
specs aren't everything. It's how they are measured, anechoic or not, room gain, etc. One thing I do disagree with this video (although great job by Nemo) is most people will want to use a subwoofer, but they do haver great bass for there size, better then most and better then the Paradigm Persona 3F's I had in the past which are floorstanders.
measurements are not everything and brands don't all measure things the same way so you can't really use measurements to compare products from different brands. It's like tire size, a Dunlop Sportmax GT sized 275/30/21 is much wider than a Michilen Pilot Sport 4s 275/30/21. Why? They are the same size tire!!
@@NemoPropagandaKiller analysis & recommendation, sir. Keeping my comment in this thread because I am on the verge of pulling the trigger on a pair of Buchardt S400 MKII speakers (for which your glowing review was one of the influential sources of info). The *published* frequency response of the Buchardts is _significantly_ wider (33 - 40.000 Hz +/- 3dB [in-room]) than the Muranos (48 - 24 000 Hz). If I understand you correctly, to your ear, are you saying the bass of the Muranos is at least on par with the Buchardts? I listen to music of almost every genre, but want my rig to sing optimally when listening to Bill Evans Trio and other more-intimate/introspective small-ensemble jazz. When the bass player plucks notes, I want to feel the vibrations of the string as well as the body of the instrument (at relatively low volumes)…and have the lower register envelop me in a warm velvety blanket of soundwaves. What’s your hunch as to which set would bring me most delight? Thanks again for your outstanding reviews!
@@rrmiii it's impossible for me to know which one you will like more, all I can say is the Murano is better than every single speaker in the $2.5k category in every way including my much loved S400 MK2.
not my circus not my monkeys, why did Audio Advice discontinue the Heco lineup? Who knows, business's have their reasons, it's not my businesses why two companies decide to work together or decide to terminate that relationship. It's like a boyfriend & girlfriend breaking up, not my chair, not my problem, not my business lol, nemo propaganda likes to stay in his own lane.
@@ancientalien815 I only listened for like about 10 minutes, seems more like the french sound overall that is more forward & energetic. A great low volume speaker so far.
Will a 300B amp drive it? Have my 300B amp here and family is building it (cancer I cannot hold my hand steady enough to solder). I was going to get the Bisons per your previous recommendation.
hey brother, that all depends on your listening habits, I did use the Willsenton 300B Plus model as part of my review and it worked very nicely. 87dB is not the most sensitive speaker nor the hardest the drive. At normal volumes (75-80dB) it sounded beautiful and bass control was just okay and more fun than accurate but mids & highs were beautiful. Could I find the limit of the amp? Yes, pushing to 85dB seemed to be the limit of what an 8w 300b could handle with this speaker. Strong bass soaks up wattage quickly so if you're an 80dB and under listener I think it's just fine but if you want more dynamic headroom you may wish for a more sensitive speaker or something that doesn't have such strong bass. The Bisons will have the same problem with a 300B but having a little less bass may get you a little more output but I think the results of using a 300b amp with either speaker would be close in terms of output capability.
@@NemoPropaganda I use a sub and have an aadjustable HPF on my pre so my amp does not have to handle the bass and my room is about 14X17 so that should work for me. Thank you for your time and consideration. 85db should be more than I will want most of the time. I find 8 ohm speakers like there are usually easier to drive than 4 ohm. They use the 2.83 volts instead of 1 watt, so 4 ohms speakers give sensitivity with 2 watts driving them.
@@DeMorcan yeah, unfortunately there are a ton of ways to fudge sensitvity specs :( if you HPF these around 50-60hz you shoudl get considerably more headroom out of them if needed, enjoy and stay strong w that cancer, fairly common in my family but if my grandma beat it anyone can!! Be blessed!
I don't know, yes, a great music speaker will usually sound great for movies too as long as its not too warm and can hit the SPL peaks you're looking for.
Nemo, can you get your hands on the Cabasse Abyss Amp/DSP/Streamer unit? I just ordered one to pair with my still on the FedEx truck Murano speakers. I would love to hear your opinion on this Cabasse Abyss system if you still have the Murano in the house. The Abyss is keyed to a number of Cabasse speakers to get the highest sound quality possible out of them. And, it will also work with other speakers, including my Fyne F500SP's, or Zu's, etc... The sound is said to not be dry like many Class D amps, it is supposed to have some Class A/B life to it. Maybe you can get your hands on one.
Oh man, same here! Bought the Muranos in piano black and after doing more "research" on the company while I wait for Fedex to deliver, I have to say I'm very intrigued by the Cabasse Abyss and how it works with speakers to tune sound to your room. Please, can someone review the Abyss with another Cabasse speaker? I have an older version Rotel A14 integrated amp and was thinking of going separates but maybe the Abyss/Murano combo could give me some of that "audiophile synergy" that would be hard to beat without spending considerably more money...
@@NemoPropaganda Completely understand if you may not have the time to review this very specific Abyss/Murano combo. I really appreciate this video. You being focused on speakers is probably what makes this video so great. You compare the Murano's to 7 other speakers and talk about using it with 4 different amplifiers! Kudos, man. I can't recall another video by ANY other reviewer with so many comparisons. I really feel like I have a great idea of how these speakers sound. Fedex says they will arrive in two days. Can't wait.
@@mikej8170 Mike, my Murano's will be here Tuesday, and I believe the Abyss will be here Thursday or Friday. I spent a few more hours digging into Cabasse and this amplification and DSP. They use the same amplification and DSP in the Abyss that is used in their $35000 speaker setup. Of course the Abyss is less wattage, but it is the same design and sound signature. Then this DSP, it was designed in collaboration with Canon, the camera guys. Canon is heavy into this technology, and Cabasse has a venture working with Canon for both R&D and manufacturing. That is the secret sauce to their musical magic, this close relationship with Canon. When I discovered this, I bought the Abyss. Canon is not going anywhere any time soon, and also explains the regular updates to the software. Cabasse may be a small company in regards to audio gear in the USA, but in reality they have quite the presence in Europe and Asia. In France alone they have over 600 distributors. And after this sale is finished at Upscale, I think that will be it for them here in the states. That is the other reason I jumped on purchasing the Abyss, as it might become rather difficult to obtain here in the near future. I will let you know how this goes, and I can compare it to my Roon Nucleus One in regards to upsampling and room correction. I have a feeling the Abyss is going to walk all over Roon. I believe this lack of full Roon certification has not helped with sales here in the USA for Cabasse. If you are a Roon fan or not, it does make a difference, and I can tell you, going with the Roon Nucleus One was a real sonic game changer for myself. Let's keep in touch. ;-)
@@mikej8170 Mike, I replied to you regarding the Abyss, which I have coming, and YT keeps removing it... I will have my complete system in a few days, the Murano's and the Abyss, I will let you know my findings and thoughts.
@NemoPropaganda My man! I've been listening to my new Muranos all day. I replaced my LS-50 Metas with them. Running though a Parasound Halo Hint 6 I decided to screw it and unplugged my Micro 3000 and turned up the bass and treble to max (oh the heresy!). I put on Evanescence-Synthesis (Live). It has Amy Lee's soaring voice, piano, strings, and some rock elements. I think it covers many bases. These speakers sounded EXPANSIVE! They completely eliminated any sibilance or shrillness from Amy's voice that were present with the Metas at high volume. Caught new details from the orchestra as well. And bro, these things can take the power and get loud...1000 watts max! More bass than the Metas in my room. I can't see any reason why I would want to replace these speakers. With the sub hooked up and everything hi/low passed they are perfect! Thank you so much. I can't erase the smile from my face 😁
hell yeah brother, yeah in my book the Murano are easily end game for a lot of people, myself included :) The only sad part is I did not secure a pair for myself, I did not expect them to go as quick as they did!!
@@NemoPropagandasuck it up and get the full floor version! Let me spend your money! I really wanted to get those, but the extra $1400 was just too far out of my comfort zone.
If someone's just running a generic $600 A/V Receiver (eg Onkyo/Yamaha), would it be pretty unwise to purchase Hi End speakers like these? (in other words, would you do it yourself?) I'm guessing it probably wouldn't make sense to purchase these, expecting them to sound amazing, with a 'Consumer' Receiver 😵💫
of course a $600 AVR will not get you the very best out of any speaker but if that is the amp you have then who cares :) Most of us cannot afford to upgrade everything at the same time. You can upgrade your system in whatever order makes you happy my bro!! One of my good friends has the Focal Kanta No1 and used a very inexpensive AVR for the first year, he was very happy. About 1.5 years later he upgraded to the Billie Amp and loves it even more now but he also enjoyed the Kanta very much using the cheap amp because he liked the Kanta sound. Hope that helps, try not to get fomo, hobboies are supposed to be fun!!
I own enough gear for now, my goal for 2024 was to not have any additional hifi purchases, so far I have not stuck to it 100% lol, but I'm trying my best. The Murano is amazing, I'd love to own it but I'm focused on other hobbies currently that need my financial resources.
I like the Special 40 a lot but I do think a lot of what you pay for is the beautiful finish, I feel it competes more in the around $2500 price category with R3 Meta, S400 MK2, and Totem Bison.
@@MasterofPlay7 I don't talk specs bro, specs can be measured in many different ways, some brands exaggerate their specs, some brands are conservative with specs, some do in room, some do anechoic, some do -3db, some do -10db, it's all useless marketing, if you're looking at specs you're wasting your time unless all the reference information is there. We don't know how they measured. For those reasons I do not talk specs. Specs are useless.
Darn you Nemo Propaganda. I wasn’t even going to watch this week 😉 and I’d just told my spouse I was still happy with my KEF R3m’s after 15 months. Appreciate the comparison. Any insight how these would pair with a H190 ?
should be a great pairing, the H190 is a friendly amp for the most part, the only time it won't pair well is you want to change something about the speaker, the H190 doesn't change much of the speakers core sound.
Hey Nemo, would you recommend these for home theater use above Arendal 1723S? What should be used for the center channel? It will be driven by Onkyo RZ70 in a 18”x12” room
@@tamer510 I have not heard the RZ70 but audioholics measured it and the first 50 watts to the main channels were below .005% THD so it has high quality power. Of course I don't know anything about its preamp section or DAC section but on paper it should be more than capable. Will you get the absolute best out of the Murano using the RZ70? I don't know. Will it sound great? Since i have not heard it I also don't know but based on what I've read about the RZ70 I don't see any reason why it should not sound great.
metal no problem!! I listen to Arch Enemy (old singer), All That Remains (don't judge me), and old Cradle of Filth. All sounded great!! As far as wattage I used amps with as little as 8w and as much as 250w but ultimately your listening habits and room size will determine how much wattage you really need. Metal guys tend to like louder so I suggest an honest 50w or more, something like the CHoco Emei would be a great fit or either Galion amp if you want tubes.
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WOoooo!!! You all went crazy and bought the Murano and it's totally sold out now!! Friendly reminder the tower version is still in stock. Yes I will try to review the other Cabasse speakers that are 50% off on upscales website. I'll post an update in the community section once I have more info. Have a great day everyone!!
Hey Nemo. These are exiting! Do you think Murano would also be sufficient for home theater with no sub or center for a small room or even a mid size room in the bass department? Or go with the towers for both music and Home theater based on the bookshelf bass output you experienced? Thank you.
@@chriskiato680 high bro, bookshelves are sold out, generally speaking in theater settings bigger is better so the towers are an easy choice. My buddy got the towers for his theater to replace the Arendal 1961 towers and he's absolutely blown away!
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you Nemo! I think many of us would be looking for something that does both HT and music well with a quality AV receiver. I was tempted with the ATC's but these appear to be a better overall option. Many thanks! Looking forward to your tower review soon. :) Update: I just compared the dimensions between the Alto and the Murano and the the Altos are wider and significantly deeper. They are huge! These may be overkill for my room. Can you please let me know how deep do you estimate the Murano's go? Thank you.
Yeah, I purchased the mahogany prior to your video going live but they called me on Monday to say only black and white were left. While I hate piano black gloss finishes I still couldn't pass up such a great deal.
@@chriskiato680 bass response is highly room dependant and I don't measure anything so I'd rather not guess but it's bass power in inline with most of the powerful bass speakers like CSS, R3 Meta, Buchardt, Dynaudio Special 40, etc...
so happy i took the time to watch this video. just drove down to upscale and picked up my pair based on your review. they sound fantastic . couldn't be happier. thanks man
hell yeah brother!! I'm hyped for you!!
Eric, did you by chance check out the Cabasse Abyss streamer, DAC/DSP amplifier? Just curious, and how are the Murano's? Mine should be here this Tuesday. Chomping at the bit. ;-)
Eric, the Murano's arrived the other day, just hooked them up and OMG, at least in my room... The sound staging, the separation, everything. If I had the money, I would buy the towers, at $1798 ea those are a steal.
Thanks for informing us about the sale, I snagged a pair. I don't understand how these speakers can have such detail and play so loud without being fatiguing. The sound stage just gets enormous as you play them louder!! They are so heavy, too. I am amazed!
I'm happy you love them as much as I did :)
I purchased a pair couple weeks ago I love them, I could listen to music all day without any fatigue!
awesome!! I'm so happy for you Sam!!!
These are simply incredible, on another level. It is the tweeter midrange setup, just like Nemo stated.
@ yes exactly like Nemo stated ,i never owned a speakers at the scale of the Cabasse Murano but I think they’re sold out!
@ it takes about 50 hours of break in to open up!
@@samidebs3559 These sound incredible to say the least, I can only imagine at this point. These are serious speakers that check all of the boxes, and they were a steal! If I had $3500 laying around, I would buy the Murano Towers in a heartbeat.
Thanks to Mr. Nemo's passionate sales pitch I too could not resist the 50% off clearance deal at Upscale Audio and my white Murano's arrived this morning. Beautifully finished, well packaged, top quality construction. I put them in place of my KEF R3's. As mentioned by Nemo, the KEF R3's have a lot of bass but not as much as the Murano's. I'm shocked by the amount of bass coming out of these Murano bookshelves. Even with the bass rolled off on my EQ I keep reaching down to my subwoofer to ensure it is off. The Murano's easily go down below 40Hz in my room. The speakers do not come with port plugs, but those would be good to tune down the bass. The Murano's highs and mids are refined and plentiful. Better than the R3's. Thus far I'm getting great sound on simpler, well recorded songs with acoustic instruments (blues, jazz, etc.) and vocals. With the somewhat unruly bass, more complex and louder music (like rock) gets a little too boomy to my taste. But I haven't fully broken in the speakers so we'll see how it goes!
let them get 50+ hours on them, things should change a bit, my pair was fully broken in by upscale so I have limited experience with the break-in of the speaker. If the bass is a little ruly just know bass is the thing that changes the most during break-in, at least in my experience but try pulling them forward another inch if you can. I had the same issue with the Buchardt P300 and sean from zerofidelity said to give them 1 more inch, I didnt' think 1 inch would make a difference but oh my goodness it was a dramatic improvement!!
@@NemoPropaganda I took your advice and moved them 1-1.5 inch more away from the wall (26" inch total now measured from front baffle) and it truly made a HUGE difference. With EQ defeated on my Vincent SA-32 pre-amp the bass is way more controlled. I've had them on the TS A75 power amp and an ST-70 with Mullard EL34 tubes and it sounds divine!!! Bass is unbelievably deep and complete and textured, but not boomy or overwhelming.
@@robertjanv hell yeah brother, I'm super happy for you, for the record I've had the opposite happen too where something will sound awful, 1-2" further back and boom, perfection, same with toe in or toe out, setup is super important!!
Great review! I just purchased the floor standing version of these speakers in white. They were also marked down by 50% on upscale audio!
great choice, that's easily end game in my book!
I’m excited! They won’t arrive until next week. In the meantime, I’ll watch your video over and over, LOL!
Wow I wish I had the means to get these speakers. I believe every word you said about these gorgeous speakers. Love the color you have. Awesome 👍😎😎
Very good review Nemo! Thanks for sharing, and thanks again to the great people at Upscale!
In France, Cabasse is a national pride. Fathers of French hifi (with Elipson), their reputation for seriousness is well established.
Many thanks, Nemo. I just ordered a pair of the Alto’s. Would’ve missed out if I hadn’t seen your vid.
wooo congratulations!!!
I got the Murano Altos this week and they are AMAZING! I tried to make a comment about them, a review of sorts, but for some reason TH-cam keeps deleting it. Anyways, I absolutely love these speakers, they are incredible!!!
hell yeah brother!! Yeah I've heard that from some other people, one guy got made and thought it was me deleting his post over and over lol. If you're in the free discord post up some pics!! I'd love to see it!! discord.gg/QTfXwaGz
@@NemoPropaganda Done! Just did! I'm going to post my short opinion of the Altos below this post for anyone who wants to read about them.
Also, I got the Cabasse Abyss amplifier to go with my Murano Altos and I really love this integrated amplifier. There is a setting to match the amplifier with the specific Cabasse speakers you own and it does some magic that I'm not prepared to fully understand or explain. The absolute sound has a review of it. Either way, I am loving the synergy between the amp and speakers. The room correction that is built in has been VERY helpful to me. Some songs are just harsher than others because that's how it was recorded. And I am able to go with a few easy clicks and dial it down. The Abyss runs 120 watts into 8ohms and 215 watts into 4ohms I believe.
And Nemo, last but not least. Thank you brother. You made my audiophile dreams come true buddy. You have my appreciation for all your hard work and labor for the videos you put out to inform your viewers, of which I am but one. But seriously, thank you so much for making me aware of this sale at Upscale and the review on the Murano. I was in the market for a tower and the Murano Altos are a dream come true! Thank you bro!!!
@@themarklar8759 thank you for saying that, it means a lot to me, my main goal has always been to remind people to have fun, I think us audiophiles get a little updtight at times and I wanted to help people stop obsessing and get back to just having fun. You're pretty close to what I would consider endgame, in terms of speakers at least!! That's a pair of speakers I can see just about anyone keeping for the longhaul!!
Nemo! You got me again! I just ordered a pair in black, going to have a little shootout with the Fyne F500SP's I picked up thanks to your review. Keep them coming! These should look fantastic on my SolidSteel "Raw" stands. Chomping at the bit!
oh man, the bass alone will be a crazy upgrade for you!!! Enjoy!!!!!!!
Thanks Nemo! I saw your thumbnail yesterday and did some research on these. I've been wanting to upgrade my LS-50 Metas and these are just too good of a deal to pass up. Went with the beautiful mahogany. I like the concentric/coaxial style speakers. I've got a Parasound Halo Hint 6, so I'm hoping these are a good match. These will be my first true audiophile speakers. Now I just need to sell my KEFs to recoup some of my money!
I think LS50 Meta is also a true audiophile speaker bro :) but the fit & finish on the Murano is something else for sure :D
@@NemoPropaganda I suppose you are correct. I guess it will be my first step into the big boy range though. I'm glad you mentioned the R3s, as they were high in my list. I'm super excited!
@@NemoPropagandaNemo but do they sound much better than the Ls50 metas ???
Okay, so half off retail there were audio cat nip for me. I bought a pair for a couple weeks and enjoy them a lot. (Cabasse says they extensively break them in at the factory) I'm used to warmer less detailed Proacs, so these are definitely presenting so much more nuance and detail. Great deal and a taste of higher end that you might not normally be willing or able so shell out the bucks for. These were a good match with the Unison Research Due with the right tubes but really hit home on a combination of a Rogue hybrid RP5 preamp and two Belles Aria mono amps. You are essentially buying these at a used price you would expect after a couple years use. Upscale said they are changing lines so once gone, other retailers will be back to retail meaning when the sale speakers are gone you can sell the Muranos on for what you paid for them if you wish. .
Just bought a pair of rialto with stands. Looking forward to hearing them soon. Will leave a comment when I hear them.
oh nice!! I've heard those are pretty sweet!!
These look beautiful! Thanks for bringing these in for review. I've never heard of this brand.
I never heard of them before this either :)
Great Video! I own these and you are correct on every point. I liked them so much I went and bought the Murano Alto which is the floorstanding version of these which, BTW, are also on sale half price.
Thanks. Just ordered a pair of the Mahogany Alto’s
@@MrDevinDinosaur do you mind giving a comparison between the Murano bookies and the Alto floor standers? I assume the sound signature is pretty similar? I'm heavily considering getting the bookshelves but I may go full tilt and get the Altos instead. Are the Altos a sufficient improvement to warrant the extra dough? At 50% off it seems like an incredible opportunity.
@themarklar8759 basically same as bookshelf with more bass punch and go alittle lower. The carpet spikes are very small, so small they would not pierce thru completely so I mounted outriggers
Thanks for the review/heads up regarding this deal. Good luck with the injury situation, hope things go well with it & are on the mend soon. ☮️
Fritz, Totem, Cabasse...oh my.
Thanks !! Nemo is always entertaining !!! We also enjoy your Process !!!
People, the floorstanding version of these, the Murano Alto are also half price on upscale audio. I own them and love them!
Can you give a quick overview of the sound signature of the Altos? Similar to Murano I assume but more bass? I am also curious if the soundstage and imaging remains an excellent sonic presentation with the Altos? I'm VERY interested!
@@themarklar8759 They pretty much sound the same as the bookshelf with more bass punch and go a little lower. Maybe you give up a small amount of imaging, but very little that was not a deal breaker for me.
Damn! I almost purchased these a few months ago (went with PMC 22i Active instead). If they'd been on sale back then, I definitely would have jumped for the floor standing version.
Excellent review. Very tempting. The main drawback is upscale audio charges a 30% restocking fee in case one chooses to return them within the 60-day window. I would love to give them a try but not with that risk.
life is all about risk my bro but at 50% off I think it's fairly low, either way the Mahogany already appear to be sold out so you have to decide quickly if you want the white or black.
30% is ridiculous..just my opinion. Though I've ordered from places that are similar. I bought an expensive preamp recently. After demoing it I really didn't feel it was worth the price..it's good but a little overpriced in comparison to others I've had or tried. At 25% the $700 restocking fee was just large enough for me to keep it though. And now I'll probably spend another $600 upgrading some parts in it to make me happy with it. So now I'm really over spending. It sucks.
Nemo, thank you for this review. I believe I was actually swayed by it and snagged the last black lacquer pair available 😊. Your genuine enthusiasm for these showed through, and that in the context of all the speakers you have experienced is all the more valued! It’s appreciated.
hell yeah brother, I'm just super happy so many people were able to get this great deal!! My buddy upgraded his whole theater, Murano towers up front and the bookies in the rear!
@@NemoPropaganda WOW!
I always watch til the end and I just love your style. Hope you feel better soon 😢
thank you sir!!
I'm currently auditioning the Muranos and the ATC SCM40 v2. The ATCs dome midrange are quite interesting, but the Muranos beat the ATCs in every way including bass extension, incredibly. (Clayton S-100 class A monoblocks)
They have a beguiling smoothness superior to any of the many high $$ I've owned. Class A speakers brothers. (My Clayton amps are a factor.)
Wow thank you for your Review. If both would cost the same (kanta no1 and cabasse murano) which one would you take ?
I don't like the way the Kanta looks and I am not the detail focused customer so i would choose many speakers over the Kanta No1.
I hope you feel better soon, bud. These speakers are stunning.
Grest review my man! Aww damn, I am so tempted to get these at that price!!! The finish is incredible. Also, Upscale appears to have the Cabasse Murano Alto floorstander 50% off as well at 3600 (regular 7200). I may be at End Game speaker territory! Nemo, any chance you have listened to the Murano Alto over there at Upscale? Wondering if its the bookshelf but just more of everything good?
I have not bro, if you're seriously interested in the tower maybe try calling upscale and chat with one of the guys, they are really down to earth people.
I think one would be better off with these and a good sub for what its worth. Can adjust height, placement easier. Easier to ship too. But I am a stand mount guy myself.
Nemo,
First of all, thank you for all the work you do: really honest, detailed/instructive and enjoyable to watch. 🙏🙏🙏
Second, all the best with your injury: hope you recover quickly.
If you don't mind me asking: how do these Murano compare, to your ears, to your/the CSS 1TDX please?
I own a pair of CSS 1TDX (with a custom-made cross-over) and I'm eager to hear from you how much of a "step-up" the Muranos are OR how they (may) differ.
Thank you for your time 🙏🙏🙏 and take good care of yourself.
LPG
the CSS sound is darker & warmer, bass power is similar but Murano is more effortless and has much more resolution in the midrange and treble. If you have a cheap amp like $500 or so either speaker is a great option but if you have like a $3k+ amp the Murano will be a big improvement.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you very much for the feedback Nemo: very clear and much appreciated. You're a gentleman.
Get well soon and thanks again.
LPG
I have these for 3 weeks now, and they sound great. Would still have been satisfied if I paid 5k for these. They are that good!
awesome man, I'm so happy the feedback on these have all been so good, everyone is so happy it makes me happy too :)
Brilliant man , thank you 🙏
hey bro sorry to hear that you're injured. I admire the determination to keep on pumping out awesome content. Hope you're fully recovered in record time.
thank you bro!
Hey Nemo, much appreciated on the honest value recommendation. I promise I watch everything and do my homework but I’m stuck on the specs of the Murano. It says the lower end is 48hz vs Buchard s400 which is 33hz +/- 3db. Do you think the measurement of the Murano was taken differently or is it maybe a typo? That’s a really big difference to reconcile or maybe I’m missing something? Thanks as always
Hi bro, this is why I always ignore specs, if you notice in my reviews I never talk about specs or measurements because most of it is meaningless. Don't get me wrong, some measurements can be helpful but most are not and only cause more confusion. Some brands are very conservative with their spec like REL, Rythmik & Cabasse, other brands are very aggressive with their spec, I will not name names here but trust me it's true. Measurements are easy to fudge and measurements can be taken many different ways. Think of tires, many people who are not into cars don't know this but tire sizes of the EXACT same size by different brands are NOT the same size, because brands measure tires differently. 275/30/21 Pilot Sport 4S is almost 1" narrower than 275/30/21 Dunlop SportMax GT. Same tire size bro, dunlop is 1" wider, that's a huge difference! Here is an audio example: Yamaha says their RS202 amp is 100w a channel hmmm, but the 50w RSL IA255.1 plays so much louder also the 50w Emotiva TA1, and the 50w iotaVX SA40, all these amps with less watts play much louder than the Yamaha RS202. Buchardt S400 MK2 bass is great, it's powerful, it extends low yes, but the Cabasse extends lower, can play louder, is fuller sounding, better distinction (contrast), and is tighter overall. S400 MK2 bass cannot compete with Cabasse Murano bass. Forget about specs.
@@NemoPropaganda incredibly helpful- also the tire thing blows my mind too, that one I don’t get at all. Too bad specs are listed more from a marketing than an informational standpoint sometimes. Oh well thanks for being around to straighten us out!
For WIW, I considered both the Murano and Fritz although larger than what I was targeting. Smaller speakers can do things larger drivers don't as well but these seem to have alot of separation and depth for larger monitors.
So I dug out all the subjective and "objective" data and opinions I could find and came across a German review site that measured the Murano. I initially thought it would be a speaker too difficult to drive as the Manuf stated these drop below 4 ohms but the site shows it to be much more amplifier friendly, maybe dipping into the upper 4 ohm range but staying over 5 ohms more often. The frequency curve doesn't show an overblown bass so it would be more subdued at lower levels but in line with the overall SPLs. Interestingly, the curve follows my Opticon 1 much along 55hz to 2 kHz with some variation but more similar than expected. Doesn't mean they sound alike as the Murano have more bass punch, texture, etc., etc., but at lower SPLs, there could be some similarities noticed.
So, from the curve, its seems to be an 87dB +/-2dB speaker per the prescribed way things are measured, 2.43 or something volts approximating a watt of power from around 55 Hz to 3kHz. Where it differs from all my other speakers is in the very upper mids., and highs which show a strong downward slope after 3kHZ at 30 degrees off axis. Angling them towards you should give more airiness and highs but still controls much of the region where sibilants reside. I can see how these come across as sounding more refined especially as you angle them out a bit, which is a good thing.
The takeaway, is these appear to not be as difficult to drive as one might suspect. They are designed to take alot of power so for those that listen at loud levels, they may do the trick. But at lower to more moderate levels, I think they would be fine and still show much of their capabilities with a lower powered but quality amp, particularly when hooked up to a good sub. Note: Some people think it isn't worth spending thousands on a speaker if one doesn't listen at louder levels where the quality of design and purpose is most fully heard, but these are not quite at that level of speaker either. At its discounted price, its probably the speaker to beat especially for the more "casual audiophile" (whatever that means).
So not as difficult a load on an amp, probably sb regarded as a 6 ohm speaker, and the large magnet on the woofer would respond better to high current amps but one would still get much of the good mids and highs IMO.
The Fritz might be a more benign load for tubes. The Fritz is stated to sound slightly laid back according to some but most find it balanced, perhaps a bit softer than a French speaker. Both are fine speakers that punch above their class. I like simple unglossed wood veneers too as gloss wood can have too much glare. Hard to tell on the web but it looked like it was highly reflective. Would have loved the Mahogany unglossed. If I bite on this speaker I would opt for white though I would prefer a black grill for that visual pop. White doesn't show fingerprints as readily as black.
I also have Focal 807Ws which havn't sold yet and they beat out all other speakers I have compared them too in tonal textures, detail and still vg resolution though not as high resolution as some with electrostatic tweeters, etc. I would expect both Fritz and Murano to be an upgrade but these are still somewhat large monitors. The 807W is a big speaker. Hence one of the reasons I wanted to downsize in addition to getting more stage depth and separation (I like hearing spatial effects in the recording) which sometimes smaller drivers can do better although so far I have taken a hit on tonal textures and/or some transparency. Will have to see what I end up with.
With a sub, the old Opticon 1 isn't bad. Doesn't do large performances as well but not bad at all. The newer ones were made more refined and need more power to play louder. Seems companies are tending towards refinement of the highs these days but some go overboard with the end result sounding too dark for me anyhow.
Hey Nemo. Which amp did you like paired to these? Trying to figure out if these would go better with a warm or leaner amp
It sounded great on all the amps I used :) The 20W Brunoco Terra was great, so was the EL34 Galion, my Kinki mono blocks and even the $110 RSL iA255.1 did great!!
Hi Nemo.
Low volume listening capibility?
Thanks the review.
it's great but speakers with strong bass generally need a little volume for that bass to come out so low volume as in 70-75dB no problem, but 69dB or lower you may wish for something higher in sensitivity, lighter bass, and lighter moving mass like the Kanta No1.
I am so glad I took your advice Nemo, thank you again, these Murano speakers are simply incredible. They make the Fyne F500SP sound like Randy's favorite Sony speaker that goes on sale every now and then on Amazon. I have the Cabasse Abyss out on the porch, it just got here, I will grab that shortly... Guys, when Nemo says it is good, believe him. Thanks again Nemo, now time for a HAPPY DANCE! 😁
On Edit: If I had the cash, I would buy the Murano Towers, they are still available at $1798 each. Now I kind of wish I went with them... These speakers simply sound incredible.
hell yeah brother, i would do the happy dance with you but I just had hernia surgery yesterday so no dancing for me, congrats on your new speakers!! If bass is too strong try another inch from the wall. Bass heavy speakers can be sensitive to rear wall distance.
@@NemoPropaganda No issues with bass Nemo! These puppies ROCK! You nailed it with these speakers. You were spot on with the Fyne F500SP's I bought due to your recommendation, but these Cabasse Murano's, these are night and day.
Nemo, you are honestly one of the very few I trust in regards to audio gear out here. I have bought a few pieces over the past few years based on reviews, but you sir, are the only reviewer that has not failed me.
The Fyne's and now the Murano's, well done sir!
And that hernia will heal fast, just follow the doctors orders. Try a North Pole magnet, look up Lyon Magnetics, the damn things work. Get their "Brick". I used to be an orthopedic surgical nurse, they work on bones and soft tissue. Trust me on that, get one, and grab a few of their wrist and ankle magnetic bands. Thank me later. ;-).
@@michaelwright1602 thank you for the kind words my bro!! The F500sp is super cool and very good at its price but yeah, the Murano is really on another level. When I made that bold statements like "the murano is better than all the $2.5k speakers" I really meant it. One think I've always found frustrating in reviews is when someone says this item is better than something else they never mention the something else. If a product punches above its weight for example what are some more expensive items it beats? If the reviewer is not telling us they're just yapping nonesense. So I have always done my best to give the context and compare to other products. it's difficult sometimes because I never want to talk poorly about something ya know, most stuff is really good these days so it's like yeah product X is better than product Y but product Y is still pretty good. The Murano really was the best deal in hifi of 2024!!
@@NemoPropaganda Spot on Nemo, you really nailed these Murano speakers. I am listening to them right now on the Cabasse Abyss amplifier with DSP and am quite impressed to say the least. I do prefer the Murano's on my A/B, ToneWinner gear. You really need to check these guys out, ToneWinner. SummitHiFi, the AD-1PRE+ and their AD-1 PA+ amplifier. I think you will like this combo better than your Kinki. No clue what ToneWinner is doing, but they nailed it.
@@michaelwright1602 I dunno about that, I love my kinki gear, that AD1PA+ weighs 93 lbs on its own, that's heavier than both my mono blocks combined so I don't think they're similar products in any way. one is class ab while the other is class a, I'm sure it's great but I don't like heavy gear nor gear that generates a ton of heat. I also keep my amps on full time so class A or tubes really aren't for me. Again, I'm sure it sounds great, but I don't think its for me.
Thanks!
You bet!
Beside all that...thay are beautiful !
Hi Nemo! Thanks for the review in a Great moment. How's the Murano at lower volume?
it's good but any speaker with strong bass needs some juice to take advantage of that, they will sound fine at lower volumes but you will not be hearing its very best.
@@NemoPropaganda Great. Thanks bro! I have te R3 Meta, I thinking in an upgrade.
Any chance you could try their other two lines? All of their stuff is on sale, their other two bookshelf speakers are ~$400/pair and ~$700/pair. Be really interesting to see how they stack up against these.
Depends what kind of inventory Upscale has, I know they were healthy with this model so I felt comfortable promoting it, if he's in a good stock position with the rest I'll consider checking them out!!
@@NemoPropagandaSounds good to me, thanks 👍. Also, of you managed to get your mits on a Border Patrol DAC, that'd be awesome too. Would really like to hear your opinion on their SE-i model sometime
From what I read/heard by other reviews, the Antigua MC170 gives alot of bass, displays a fairly linear mids and highs with highs being upfront but softer than a metal dome. For the price hard to beat. I don't expect a tight layered bass but shouldn't be a loose mess. Stated to have good depth as well. Could use without a sub. A good budget introductory speaker.
The next move up is kind of strange as it seems to lack the strong lows of the cheaper model. Probably more resolving, better imaging but there are discontinuities in its presentation from others' view. definitely need a sub.
The Murano is the more audiophile speaker I suppose, upping the game in each area. My question is it easy to drive or does it need a beast of an amp?
If I were to buy one over say a Fritz or Totem, I would definitely hope to like it as Cabasse isn't so well marketed in the US and resale even with known brands is difficult. Fritz and Totem would be easier to resell, IMO.
Looking forward to the review too. Right now, Fritz is the one I would take (if I were ready to outlay the $$$) because its easy to drive, stated to sound great and looks classic. Totem just seems an enigma to me. I would really have to hear one personally.
@@NemoPropagandaI know you said you don’t want to continue to compare the Cabasse Murano to anything in the $2k range, given just how good they are. Would absolutely love to know whether you have any experience with the Wharfedale AURA 2 ($2.5k, at times on sale for $2k). Received a very positive review from Erin. I trust your opinion.
Thank you
@@pkale69 I have not, it looks like an evolution of the 4.2 and I didn't really like that one, it sounded great but was super fussy and a big pain in the butt to review.
How is the Cabasse Murano for quiet listening, and do you think it would work ok in a bedroom, about 10 x 12ish.
how quiet? Speakers with strong bass usually need a little juice for that bass to come out and their beauty is usually 70dB+ where that powerful bass can lay a nice foundation for the sound so if you are a below 70dB listener yeah it will sound good but you won't be getting the most out of them.
@@NemoPropaganda I don't have a db meter, so I don't really know what 70db sounds like vis a vis music, but I live in an apartment, and don't want to disturb the neighbors, so I listen on the quiet side.
Based on your response, it sounds like these speakers are not as good for quiet listening as, say, the Triangle Borea BR03, or the ZU DWX, is that right?
@@seankasabuske1986 this is a better speaker than those, it will sound better no matter what, as far as a dB meter if you have an iphone download decibelX the iPhone mic is very accurate and I have tested that app against my $60 dB meter and it gives the same results.
Hey Nemo! New Buchardt flagship announced (E50). Hope you get to review it!
of course!
Hey Nemo, great video - thank you. Do you think these speakers would play well if they are within three feet of the wall (measured from the front of the speaker)?
oh yes, that's plenty of space!
@@NemoPropaganda Great, thank you for the quick reply. I bought a pair. For anyone who's considering a purchase, Upscale only has white and black available.
One more if/when you have time - I am using the DAC in the Bluesound Node - is that DAC preventing me from realizing the full potential of the Murano? If yes, what is a DAC that would be a good complement?
@@rockp5396 of course it is, but I used the internal dac of the node for 1-2 years myself so its also good enough to get you going. Very few of us can affrod to upgrade everything all at the same time my bro so don't get fomo okay! As far as which dac, who cares, don't think of upgrades for now, just enjoy your new purchase, get to know the Murano, become friends with it for awhile, and then when you have learned what its all about then you can decide which direction to go in with a dac upgrade. Hope that makes sense!
@@NemoPropaganda Hey Nemo, thank you for diffusing my upgraditis! I just listened to the Muranos for the first time. Out of the gate they are great - the only potential issue is that the sound is a bit harsh/fatiguing in the treble region, at least relative to my old Revels. I am running a Arcam SA20. What would you recommend to address this issue assuming it continues beyond the initial acclimatizing period?
Dealers in the UK asking £6800 ($8790 US) for a pair of these.
yup, prices vary, that's a bit on the high side but it's a darn good speaker.
The Philharmonic BMR stomped everything at the Arizona Audio club shootout at 2k…including R3, KLH Model 5, ATC 11, triangle 40th, Buchart, etc…looks like BMR could have competition here with Kevin closing these out at dealer cost.
I know that thing generally gets highly praised but the few owners in my discord didn't really feel that way, personally I've never herad them.
@@NemoPropaganda if you google arizona audio video club speaker palooza you can see the published results of over 50 audiophiles ranking their favorite speakers in the $2000ish price category. It’s super rare to have a big shootout like this with popular speakers.
Hi Nemo,
How do these compare to the Platimons and the Fritz Carbons?
... (I know those require less power and are Low Volume Champions!),
-- besides that, I'd love to hear your thoughts...
the platimons are on another level, Platimons were designed to compete with stuff much more expensive, amplifier pairing and recording quality become of paramount importance. Platimon brings the level of resolution where you really have to be intentional with what you're doing to get the best sound. It's true high end. The Fritz can hang with the Murano, they're in the same ballpark but the Murano has a slight leg up overall.
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Looks like there is a pair of open box white Murano speakers for sale at Upscale! Half off!
While I think these are a great option...
At their initial (pre-sale) price... compare these to the Buchardt Anniversary 10, which are also active speakers.
(At least on paper)
Now those probably don't need a sub at least in a small room.
I don't review powered speakers.
@@NemoPropaganda
Subs aren't powered? 😁
(just kidding)
Uhm yeah... I get that... there are only a couple powered speakers that are worthy of being reviewed, yet some feel that its the future and the segment is growing.
Never say never.
Ok, have to ask how can you say that a sub is optional when the specs say the range is from 48Hz to 24K?
To me, that screams of needed a sub.
Don't get me wrong, at roughly ~$2K its not a bad deal, but I think it needs to be paired w a good sub. A small Rel perhaps? Or what would you recommend based on the quality of the speakers?
measurements don't tell the whole story, my in-room response was low 30's, how much bass is enough is a very personal thing. How much sugar or creamer is enough with a coffee? Some people like it black if the coffee is good enough on its own.
Sub - optional, Nemo's correct.
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Thx, I'll take your and Nemo's word.
I agree w the specs don't tell the whole story which is why I watch guys like Nemo to help get more info.
Nice review :) I’m terms of Bass how does it outperform Buchardt s400mk ii since their response is 33hz vs the 48hz of the Murano? Sadly not available at that price in the UK - around £3500 here
specs aren't everything. It's how they are measured, anechoic or not, room gain, etc. One thing I do disagree with this video (although great job by Nemo) is most people will want to use a subwoofer, but they do haver great bass for there size, better then most and better then the Paradigm Persona 3F's I had in the past which are floorstanders.
measurements are not everything and brands don't all measure things the same way so you can't really use measurements to compare products from different brands. It's like tire size, a Dunlop Sportmax GT sized 275/30/21 is much wider than a Michilen Pilot Sport 4s 275/30/21. Why? They are the same size tire!!
@@NemoPropaganda ah I see - thats very helpful thank you 🙂
@@NemoPropagandaKiller analysis & recommendation, sir. Keeping my comment in this thread because I am on the verge of pulling the trigger on a pair of Buchardt S400 MKII speakers (for which your glowing review was one of the influential sources of info). The *published* frequency response of the Buchardts is _significantly_ wider (33 - 40.000 Hz +/- 3dB [in-room]) than the Muranos (48 - 24 000 Hz). If I understand you correctly, to your ear, are you saying the bass of the Muranos is at least on par with the Buchardts? I listen to music of almost every genre, but want my rig to sing optimally when listening to Bill Evans Trio and other more-intimate/introspective small-ensemble jazz. When the bass player plucks notes, I want to feel the vibrations of the string as well as the body of the instrument (at relatively low volumes)…and have the lower register envelop me in a warm velvety blanket of soundwaves. What’s your hunch as to which set would bring me most delight? Thanks again for your outstanding reviews!
@@rrmiii it's impossible for me to know which one you will like more, all I can say is the Murano is better than every single speaker in the $2.5k category in every way including my much loved S400 MK2.
Great sharing.
Any idea why Upscale is closing these out? They’re the US importer…are they no longer going to represent Cabasse?
not my circus not my monkeys, why did Audio Advice discontinue the Heco lineup? Who knows, business's have their reasons, it's not my businesses why two companies decide to work together or decide to terminate that relationship. It's like a boyfriend & girlfriend breaking up, not my chair, not my problem, not my business lol, nemo propaganda likes to stay in his own lane.
Did you try the MC40 bookshelf or have you heard them?
I only started listening to MC40 today :)
@@NemoPropaganda Any good? I just ordered some from Upscale. Coming from RP600m.
@@ancientalien815 I only listened for like about 10 minutes, seems more like the french sound overall that is more forward & energetic. A great low volume speaker so far.
Cant wait for the review.
Will a 300B amp drive it? Have my 300B amp here and family is building it (cancer I cannot hold my hand steady enough to solder). I was going to get the Bisons per your previous recommendation.
hey brother, that all depends on your listening habits, I did use the Willsenton 300B Plus model as part of my review and it worked very nicely. 87dB is not the most sensitive speaker nor the hardest the drive. At normal volumes (75-80dB) it sounded beautiful and bass control was just okay and more fun than accurate but mids & highs were beautiful. Could I find the limit of the amp? Yes, pushing to 85dB seemed to be the limit of what an 8w 300b could handle with this speaker. Strong bass soaks up wattage quickly so if you're an 80dB and under listener I think it's just fine but if you want more dynamic headroom you may wish for a more sensitive speaker or something that doesn't have such strong bass. The Bisons will have the same problem with a 300B but having a little less bass may get you a little more output but I think the results of using a 300b amp with either speaker would be close in terms of output capability.
@@NemoPropaganda I use a sub and have an aadjustable HPF on my pre so my amp does not have to handle the bass and my room is about 14X17 so that should work for me. Thank you for your time and consideration. 85db should be more than I will want most of the time. I find 8 ohm speakers like there are usually easier to drive than 4 ohm. They use the 2.83 volts instead of 1 watt, so 4 ohms speakers give sensitivity with 2 watts driving them.
@@DeMorcan yeah, unfortunately there are a ton of ways to fudge sensitvity specs :( if you HPF these around 50-60hz you shoudl get considerably more headroom out of them if needed, enjoy and stay strong w that cancer, fairly common in my family but if my grandma beat it anyone can!! Be blessed!
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you. I have been 5 years free. But have cancer chemo damage I live with. Music is my vacation to another world for awhile.
@@DeMorcan i hear that, it's a vacation for a lot of us, glad it's still something you enjoy and find peace in :)
What material is speaker cone and tweeter madr of? Also would these for movie watching as well
I don't know, yes, a great music speaker will usually sound great for movies too as long as its not too warm and can hit the SPL peaks you're looking for.
Nemo, can you get your hands on the Cabasse Abyss Amp/DSP/Streamer unit? I just ordered one to pair with my still on the FedEx truck Murano speakers. I would love to hear your opinion on this Cabasse Abyss system if you still have the Murano in the house. The Abyss is keyed to a number of Cabasse speakers to get the highest sound quality possible out of them. And, it will also work with other speakers, including my Fyne F500SP's, or Zu's, etc... The sound is said to not be dry like many Class D amps, it is supposed to have some Class A/B life to it. Maybe you can get your hands on one.
maybe, I'm more focused on their speakers right now.
Oh man, same here! Bought the Muranos in piano black and after doing more "research" on the company while I wait for Fedex to deliver, I have to say I'm very intrigued by the Cabasse Abyss and how it works with speakers to tune sound to your room. Please, can someone review the Abyss with another Cabasse speaker? I have an older version Rotel A14 integrated amp and was thinking of going separates but maybe the Abyss/Murano combo could give me some of that "audiophile synergy" that would be hard to beat without spending considerably more money...
@@NemoPropaganda Completely understand if you may not have the time to review this very specific Abyss/Murano combo. I really appreciate this video. You being focused on speakers is probably what makes this video so great. You compare the Murano's to 7 other speakers and talk about using it with 4 different amplifiers! Kudos, man. I can't recall another video by ANY other reviewer with so many comparisons. I really feel like I have a great idea of how these speakers sound. Fedex says they will arrive in two days. Can't wait.
@@mikej8170 Mike, my Murano's will be here Tuesday, and I believe the Abyss will be here Thursday or Friday. I spent a few more hours digging into Cabasse and this amplification and DSP. They use the same amplification and DSP in the Abyss that is used in their $35000 speaker setup. Of course the Abyss is less wattage, but it is the same design and sound signature.
Then this DSP, it was designed in collaboration with Canon, the camera guys. Canon is heavy into this technology, and Cabasse has a venture working with Canon for both R&D and manufacturing. That is the secret sauce to their musical magic, this close relationship with Canon. When I discovered this, I bought the Abyss. Canon is not going anywhere any time soon, and also explains the regular updates to the software.
Cabasse may be a small company in regards to audio gear in the USA, but in reality they have quite the presence in Europe and Asia. In France alone they have over 600 distributors. And after this sale is finished at Upscale, I think that will be it for them here in the states. That is the other reason I jumped on purchasing the Abyss, as it might become rather difficult to obtain here in the near future.
I will let you know how this goes, and I can compare it to my Roon Nucleus One in regards to upsampling and room correction. I have a feeling the Abyss is going to walk all over Roon. I believe this lack of full Roon certification has not helped with sales here in the USA for Cabasse. If you are a Roon fan or not, it does make a difference, and I can tell you, going with the Roon Nucleus One was a real sonic game changer for myself.
Let's keep in touch. ;-)
@@mikej8170 Mike, I replied to you regarding the Abyss, which I have coming, and YT keeps removing it... I will have my complete system in a few days, the Murano's and the Abyss, I will let you know my findings and thoughts.
Hi Mr Nemo. How about compared to your css speaker?
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There is a new sheriff in town called e50. A comparison will be nice. Thanks
how can I make a comparison to a speaker that is unreleased?
@NemoPropaganda I thought it was already being released, my mistake. I apologize.
@@Edin8140 all good, I don't think we'll have reviews or samples for reviews until January so it's a 2025 product for sure.
@@NemoPropaganda ok,thanks
Are these speakers good for low-volume listening?
what does that mean to you in terms of dB? How far do you sit? Any speaker can do low volumes but it really depends what you mean by that.
@@NemoPropaganda If I place the speakers behind the desk where I sit.
@@vladislavtomashov4215 I can't answer that, I don't test nearfield bro.
@NemoPropaganda My man! I've been listening to my new Muranos all day. I replaced my LS-50 Metas with them. Running though a Parasound Halo Hint 6 I decided to screw it and unplugged my Micro 3000 and turned up the bass and treble to max (oh the heresy!). I put on Evanescence-Synthesis (Live). It has Amy Lee's soaring voice, piano, strings, and some rock elements. I think it covers many bases. These speakers sounded EXPANSIVE! They completely eliminated any sibilance or shrillness from Amy's voice that were present with the Metas at high volume. Caught new details from the orchestra as well. And bro, these things can take the power and get loud...1000 watts max! More bass than the Metas in my room. I can't see any reason why I would want to replace these speakers. With the sub hooked up and everything hi/low passed they are perfect! Thank you so much. I can't erase the smile from my face 😁
hell yeah brother, yeah in my book the Murano are easily end game for a lot of people, myself included :) The only sad part is I did not secure a pair for myself, I did not expect them to go as quick as they did!!
@@NemoPropagandasuck it up and get the full floor version! Let me spend your money! I really wanted to get those, but the extra $1400 was just too far out of my comfort zone.
@@bgroovin1343 no can do my bro, towers aren't my aesthetic.
If someone's just running a generic $600 A/V Receiver (eg Onkyo/Yamaha), would it be pretty unwise to purchase Hi End speakers like these? (in other words, would you do it yourself?) I'm guessing it probably wouldn't make sense to purchase these, expecting them to sound amazing, with a 'Consumer' Receiver 😵💫
of course a $600 AVR will not get you the very best out of any speaker but if that is the amp you have then who cares :) Most of us cannot afford to upgrade everything at the same time. You can upgrade your system in whatever order makes you happy my bro!! One of my good friends has the Focal Kanta No1 and used a very inexpensive AVR for the first year, he was very happy. About 1.5 years later he upgraded to the Billie Amp and loves it even more now but he also enjoyed the Kanta very much using the cheap amp because he liked the Kanta sound. Hope that helps, try not to get fomo, hobboies are supposed to be fun!!
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks for the Reply Nemo....I'm sure you get this exact questiion all the time (and I was debating bothering to even ask it...) 😉
@@corkydukeII5898actually no, I only get this question like maybe once a year, I don’t mind. It’s always better to ask 🎉
Will this be your new daily driver?
I own enough gear for now, my goal for 2024 was to not have any additional hifi purchases, so far I have not stuck to it 100% lol, but I'm trying my best. The Murano is amazing, I'd love to own it but I'm focused on other hobbies currently that need my financial resources.
Hows low volume, high volume performance?
both really good.
Any comparison to Dynaudio Special 40?
I like the Special 40 a lot but I do think a lot of what you pay for is the beautiful finish, I feel it competes more in the around $2500 price category with R3 Meta, S400 MK2, and Totem Bison.
So how low does it go? What's the bass extension?
depends on the room, I was getting good output down into the 30's easily :)
@NemoPropaganda but I read the specs only goes down to 40hz, is 30hz room resonance?
@@MasterofPlay7 I don't talk specs bro, specs can be measured in many different ways, some brands exaggerate their specs, some brands are conservative with specs, some do in room, some do anechoic, some do -3db, some do -10db, it's all useless marketing, if you're looking at specs you're wasting your time unless all the reference information is there. We don't know how they measured. For those reasons I do not talk specs. Specs are useless.
What do you think about this being matched with pathos class a
I love Pathos!! I think it would be heaven, but I love Pathos so anything connected to Pathos I think would be amazing :)
So are these close to the Franco serblin?
depends on the amplifciation, the Serblins scale higher with more expensive equipment.
Darn you Nemo Propaganda. I wasn’t even going to watch this week 😉 and I’d just told my spouse I was still happy with my KEF R3m’s after 15 months. Appreciate the comparison. Any insight how these would pair with a H190 ?
should be a great pairing, the H190 is a friendly amp for the most part, the only time it won't pair well is you want to change something about the speaker, the H190 doesn't change much of the speakers core sound.
Hey Nemo, would you recommend these for home theater use above Arendal 1723S? What should be used for the center channel? It will be driven by Onkyo RZ70 in a 18”x12” room
Yes of course! Even on sale these are more expsive though! Center, I'm not sure.
Thx for the reply but is driving them through Onkyo Rz70 will be ok or separate amps are a must to shine
@@tamer510 I have not heard the RZ70 but audioholics measured it and the first 50 watts to the main channels were below .005% THD so it has high quality power. Of course I don't know anything about its preamp section or DAC section but on paper it should be more than capable. Will you get the absolute best out of the Murano using the RZ70? I don't know. Will it sound great? Since i have not heard it I also don't know but based on what I've read about the RZ70 I don't see any reason why it should not sound great.
@@NemoPropaganda thx bud
Ok, but will they just surrender under heavy voltage?
I don’t understand your question.
@@NemoPropaganda Ummm France… surrender… history 😁
@@ewc58 oh haha, sorry I'm not much of a history buff :)
@@NemoPropaganda That’s ok bro, I’m not much of a comedian
What about vs Celans?
If the Celan is a Honda S2000 the Murano is a Porsche Caymen, it's not even close.
@@NemoPropaganda haha... If the Murano is a Porsche Caymen, what's the Fritz Carbon and the Mon Acoustics Platimon's?
@@irisfinchmusic Fritz is also a Cayman but Murano is a Cayman GT4, Platimon is a 911 GT3 RS.
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What type of power are we talking about here to drive these and how would they sound with multiple genres, metal?
Hope yer feelin better!
metal no problem!! I listen to Arch Enemy (old singer), All That Remains (don't judge me), and old Cradle of Filth. All sounded great!! As far as wattage I used amps with as little as 8w and as much as 250w but ultimately your listening habits and room size will determine how much wattage you really need. Metal guys tend to like louder so I suggest an honest 50w or more, something like the CHoco Emei would be a great fit or either Galion amp if you want tubes.
You like metal? Cool. How about Overkill and King Diamond?