I am 100% convinced the killer knew they were killing Sazz. First off the killer knew things about sazz like the work she had coming up with Bakula, Second Sazz knew something sensitive she never got to tell Charles that was most likely dangerous. The last thing is if the killer wanted Charles dead, they could have waited that very night and murdered him in his sleep or any time since. I also think the show is very heavily pushing the narrative that Charles was the target which makes me believe otherwise.
I don't remember having heard in any of the other reviews a single word about the title, or these connections between the seasons you found out. You're such a Sherlock!
I think the "tinsel" could be mylar film/tape which is highly flame-resistant and could relate to the film theme. I also think of "pigs" as a term for corrupted cops.
I’m wondering if it matters that they were looking at the wrong thing when Mabel and Oliver were trying to line up the shot. Sazz was shot in the chest and is like 6 ft tall, and Mabel was laying on the floor
That card game is one that my family has played for decades. We call it "Heck of a Game" because, well, nobody wants to say "hell" in front of Mom. We're probably going to play again this afternoon. I was sooooo happy when I saw them playing it in OMITB! Crazy lol
Oooo…I love the idea that it could be a culprit couple, and all the references you pointed out certainly make that seem like a possibility. (Of course, you mentioned multiple references to cannibalism as well - but that feels a bit too wild, even for this show, so I’m not really going to go there.) I’m not crazy about the pairs that popped into my head while I listened, but I wanted to share anyway, in case any of this sparks something with you and leads to a connection I can’t see yet: - Joy & Scott Bakula: To me, it seems ridiculous that a real person, or even a fictional version of that person, could be a killer - but this show is known for its ridiculousness, so maybe I shouldn’t rule that out. However, do you remember exactly when in Season 3 Sazz heard the “chatter” about Charles? Was it while he and Joy were still dating and good? - Cookie and a new partner: Could be a “two birds, one stone” situation - kill Sazz, frame Charles = revenge on both (or maybe it was intended to be vice versa, and now they’re just rolling with the mistake)? My original thought was Emma, Lucy’s mom, and her new man - but I have a suspicion Lucy’s story is done, and when you mentioned Cookie, a lightbulb went off (albeit a dim one 😉, since I’m not 100% sold on this - especially since we’ve yet to meet Cookie…Sidenote: If we do, I’d love for her to be played by Catherine O’Hara - the Home Alone mom who’s been in movies with Steve Martin and possibly Martin Short as well, and most recently starred with Eugene Levy, as his wife, on the hit show Schitt’s Creek!). - The Brothers Sisters: Is it possible they’re not twins, but a couple??? They’re definitely not identical like Bev said (which I assume they claim, or else why would she even mention it), and there was a card on Sazz’s desk from a Lesbian Brothers golf tournament that could be a nod to this potential twist. They could also have a connection to Brazzos and/or Sazz that Charles may not be aware of or remember. However, if they are well-known directors, wouldn’t they have been caught in the act by now if they’re secretly together and/or the twins thing is just a gimmick? - Inez and her husband (aka Sauce Family Mom and Dad): They are a couple, but like you said, I feel like we’ve explored the Westies to death already (as far as considering them suspects - I think it’s more likely this motley crew will lead to a crucial clue or something). - Howard and Jonathan: Like Sauce Family Mom and Dad, they are officially a couple, and I’d bet Jonathan is strong, but he also hasn’t been in this season yet, and I find it difficult to be suspicious of Howard. And then there’s Gravey, which would mean Howard is either incredibly stupid or incredibly cocky bringing her in the picture to lead the trio to the body. - Or maybe it’s a couple we haven’t met yet (especially since I’m not yet sold on any other option). What do you think?
@@Jillian_Paige I’m pretty sure Catherine O’Hara and Martin Short both started out in theatre and Second City together in Canada so I think they go way back.
Oh no it’s not the cop/Detective Donna Williams is it? That would disappoint me more than someone like Molly Shannon’s character for some reason, even though it’s not real lol. I like her character and don’t want her to be the murderer lol.
John Hamm, I totally missed that! Remember when Cinda Canning said she bathed in the mud of the Pacific Palisades in S3? Kinda like a pig, lol. They definitely sneak in little pig hints everywhere
I see it somewhere, maybe reddit, that all the seasons so far have had two mysteries going on. No sure I see what the second will be yet, but looking forward to it.
I could see that, I like when they have 2 mysteries. It keeps things interesting. I’m not sure what the second mystery is going to be this season either!
My theory is that Cookie is behind all this. She's the ex of Charles and Sazz. I have no evidence for this theory! Just a hunch. But I do think that the killer wanted target Sazz, not Charles. Focusing on Charles gives us so much more to play with, because eeeeeveryone hates Charles, but I think ultimately we'll find that the murderer really does just have a problem with Sazz. The Moriarty character behind it all is a cartel of Howard, Uma, Lester, and Ursula. Because their initials spell Hulu. At least that was my theory until last season! Ursula has kinda disappeared 🤔
So Zack Galafraglistic absolutely said LuPone was the titular Mrs. Lovette. They both balk at him because of course Lansbury is better. Also Lansbury was in a little Show Called Murder she Wrote, and this may be a nod to another "Cozy" who came before. Mrs. Lovette also is murdered by her Lover because he finds out that his Wife was there the whole time and alive, Spoiler alert so maybe that is a thing we need to look into. Brothers who are reunited, who knows maybe that has to do with the Brothers Sisters. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but maybe Sazz set this up. We know she is prone to make Friends for Charles. We know she likes Card games. Everyone on the West Side seems to be very close with who ever lived in that apartment. I think it was absolutely Sazz who was living there. At least when she came to visit. I think too, that we only found the most identifiable parts of Sazz in the incinerator and that seemed too Obvious to me. We know that the Trio were about to sell out, without more murders in the building they would not have their podcast. Maybe Sazz faked her death with the help of those in the Arconia West in order to give Charles and the others another "Murder in the Building" Since those are the "Only" ones they will cover. To spite the deaths it probably also brings notoriety to the building which they could use to get funds for the Arconia. In Contrast, I have been considering that it was not Charles who was the intended target. Considering Charles was about to sell his life rights and they were going to need someone to play him, who better than Sazz? I have considered that the guy who is his "Actor" for their life story is the murderer. I also considered the chick who is directing or producing? the film. She just gives the murderer vibe to me not sure why, but I think she is a Suspect. The text that said, "not your Fucking friend." Sounded to me like Joy Just my opinion. We know she worked on the show with Charles and Sazz. We know she was involved with Scott Backula who shows up asking about Sazz. It was supposed to be a dig at Charles. Just my ramblings. thanks for the Vid!
Joy and Scott. Or maybe one of the Westies have a partner that works with them. Also, whoever is stratched out is Sazz, I zoomed in on the pic and it's her smile and eyes. Would be shocked now if it wasn't 😂😂 Also, pigs, last season Ben was being called a pig and calling himself a pig. There could be a connection. Ben being obsessed with the Cookies, Charles ex gf being Cookie.
@@angelacox-martin2789I wondered if she was trying to get rid of Charles so Oliver would move out west with her. Like if she saw him as a reason Oliver would stay?
@@awall6910 oooh I really don't know! I have never liked her for some reason. Charles always forgets people and facts so could he have forgotten being cruel to her or hindering her earlier career but if so, why wait until she gets her break? Also, did you notice that the guy directing a scene in L.A looked exactly like her son, Dickie? I feel it's a link to the past...
@@angelacox-martin2789 yeah I didn’t like her and definitely found her suspicious but you never know if it’s red herrings they are introducing to throw you off lol. Interesting about looking like her son! I will look!
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I am 100% convinced the killer knew they were killing Sazz. First off the killer knew things about sazz like the work she had coming up with Bakula, Second Sazz knew something sensitive she never got to tell Charles that was most likely dangerous. The last thing is if the killer wanted Charles dead, they could have waited that very night and murdered him in his sleep or any time since. I also think the show is very heavily pushing the narrative that Charles was the target which makes me believe otherwise.
I don't remember having heard in any of the other reviews a single word about the title, or these connections between the seasons you found out. You're such a Sherlock!
I think the "tinsel" could be mylar film/tape which is highly flame-resistant and could relate to the film theme. I also think of "pigs" as a term for corrupted cops.
I’m wondering if it matters that they were looking at the wrong thing when Mabel and Oliver were trying to line up the shot. Sazz was shot in the chest and is like 6 ft tall, and Mabel was laying on the floor
That card game is one that my family has played for decades. We call it "Heck of a Game" because, well, nobody wants to say "hell" in front of Mom. We're probably going to play again this afternoon. I was sooooo happy when I saw them playing it in OMITB! Crazy lol
This game is originally French? Le Barbu (the bearded guy) because of the suicide king of hearts... I play it! We call it "Barbudo".
great video... for background noise, use denoise plugin if you use premiere, if not I am guessing every editing software has one of those..
Love the content. Hope you keep making more!
Haven’t watched it, but been waiting for your take! Love your vids keep up the good work!
Oooo…I love the idea that it could be a culprit couple, and all the references you pointed out certainly make that seem like a possibility. (Of course, you mentioned multiple references to cannibalism as well - but that feels a bit too wild, even for this show, so I’m not really going to go there.)
I’m not crazy about the pairs that popped into my head while I listened, but I wanted to share anyway, in case any of this sparks something with you and leads to a connection I can’t see yet:
- Joy & Scott Bakula: To me, it seems ridiculous that a real person, or even a fictional version of that person, could be a killer - but this show is known for its ridiculousness, so maybe I shouldn’t rule that out. However, do you remember exactly when in Season 3 Sazz heard the “chatter” about Charles? Was it while he and Joy were still dating and good?
- Cookie and a new partner: Could be a “two birds, one stone” situation - kill Sazz, frame Charles = revenge on both (or maybe it was intended to be vice versa, and now they’re just rolling with the mistake)? My original thought was Emma, Lucy’s mom, and her new man - but I have a suspicion Lucy’s story is done, and when you mentioned Cookie, a lightbulb went off (albeit a dim one 😉, since I’m not 100% sold on this - especially since we’ve yet to meet Cookie…Sidenote: If we do, I’d love for her to be played by Catherine O’Hara - the Home Alone mom who’s been in movies with Steve Martin and possibly Martin Short as well, and most recently starred with Eugene Levy, as his wife, on the hit show Schitt’s Creek!).
- The Brothers Sisters: Is it possible they’re not twins, but a couple??? They’re definitely not identical like Bev said (which I assume they claim, or else why would she even mention it), and there was a card on Sazz’s desk from a Lesbian Brothers golf tournament that could be a nod to this potential twist. They could also have a connection to Brazzos and/or Sazz that Charles may not be aware of or remember. However, if they are well-known directors, wouldn’t they have been caught in the act by now if they’re secretly together and/or the twins thing is just a gimmick?
- Inez and her husband (aka Sauce Family Mom and Dad): They are a couple, but like you said, I feel like we’ve explored the Westies to death already (as far as considering them suspects - I think it’s more likely this motley crew will lead to a crucial clue or something).
- Howard and Jonathan: Like Sauce Family Mom and Dad, they are officially a couple, and I’d bet Jonathan is strong, but he also hasn’t been in this season yet, and I find it difficult to be suspicious of Howard. And then there’s Gravey, which would mean Howard is either incredibly stupid or incredibly cocky bringing her in the picture to lead the trio to the body.
- Or maybe it’s a couple we haven’t met yet (especially since I’m not yet sold on any other option).
What do you think?
@@Jillian_Paige I’m pretty sure Catherine O’Hara and Martin Short both started out in theatre and Second City together in Canada so I think they go way back.
@@awall6910 Oh, wow - all the more reason to have her on the show!
“Pig” as a theme also came up last season, when Ben called himself a pig and left a message in the mirror 🤔
Totally! And remember Loretta's date with Oliver? Lots of pig talk there, and of course they ate (or tried to eat) pork chops 😅
Oh no it’s not the cop/Detective Donna Williams is it? That would disappoint me more than someone like Molly Shannon’s character for some reason, even though it’s not real lol. I like her character and don’t want her to be the murderer lol.
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thanks for watching ❤
John Hamm, I totally missed that! Remember when Cinda Canning said she bathed in the mud of the Pacific Palisades in S3? Kinda like a pig, lol. They definitely sneak in little pig hints everywhere
Remember pig is also a slang for police. I still think Bacula did it
yay we are so back !!!
I see it somewhere, maybe reddit, that all the seasons so far have had two mysteries going on. No sure I see what the second will be yet, but looking forward to it.
I could see that, I like when they have 2 mysteries. It keeps things interesting. I’m not sure what the second mystery is going to be this season either!
the murder of Sazz and the secret she wanted to tell Charles
I totally forgot that reminder of S1, thanks!
My theory is that Cookie is behind all this. She's the ex of Charles and Sazz. I have no evidence for this theory! Just a hunch. But I do think that the killer wanted target Sazz, not Charles. Focusing on Charles gives us so much more to play with, because eeeeeveryone hates Charles, but I think ultimately we'll find that the murderer really does just have a problem with Sazz.
The Moriarty character behind it all is a cartel of Howard, Uma, Lester, and Ursula. Because their initials spell Hulu. At least that was my theory until last season! Ursula has kinda disappeared 🤔
So Zack Galafraglistic absolutely said LuPone was the titular Mrs. Lovette. They both balk at him because of course Lansbury is better. Also Lansbury was in a little Show Called Murder she Wrote, and this may be a nod to another "Cozy" who came before. Mrs. Lovette also is murdered by her Lover because he finds out that his Wife was there the whole time and alive, Spoiler alert so maybe that is a thing we need to look into. Brothers who are reunited, who knows maybe that has to do with the Brothers Sisters. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but maybe Sazz set this up. We know she is prone to make Friends for Charles. We know she likes Card games. Everyone on the West Side seems to be very close with who ever lived in that apartment. I think it was absolutely Sazz who was living there. At least when she came to visit. I think too, that we only found the most identifiable parts of Sazz in the incinerator and that seemed too Obvious to me. We know that the Trio were about to sell out, without more murders in the building they would not have their podcast. Maybe Sazz faked her death with the help of those in the Arconia West in order to give Charles and the others another "Murder in the Building" Since those are the "Only" ones they will cover. To spite the deaths it probably also brings notoriety to the building which they could use to get funds for the Arconia. In Contrast, I have been considering that it was not Charles who was the intended target. Considering Charles was about to sell his life rights and they were going to need someone to play him, who better than Sazz? I have considered that the guy who is his "Actor" for their life story is the murderer. I also considered the chick who is directing or producing? the film. She just gives the murderer vibe to me not sure why, but I think she is a Suspect. The text that said, "not your Fucking friend." Sounded to me like Joy Just my opinion. We know she worked on the show with Charles and Sazz. We know she was involved with Scott Backula who shows up asking about Sazz. It was supposed to be a dig at Charles. Just my ramblings. thanks for the Vid!
Boss Baby is an awesome movie. Yes it's for kids but it's so funny and such a good story. I love the movie and the show. We watch it all the time.
Thank you for the pig research, great!
So there are two references to cannibalism: Dahmer and Mrs. Lovett.
Who is the person against making a hollywood movie in the Arconia? Uma? Howard?
Rudy didn't hear the shot. He wasn't at the card game. The people at the card game said they heard the shot.
Joy and Scott. Or maybe one of the Westies have a partner that works with them. Also, whoever is stratched out is Sazz, I zoomed in on the pic and it's her smile and eyes. Would be shocked now if it wasn't 😂😂 Also, pigs, last season Ben was being called a pig and calling himself a pig. There could be a connection. Ben being obsessed with the Cookies, Charles ex gf being Cookie.
I think it is her in the photo.
I disagree the person in the photo isn’t as thin as Sazz that’s exactly why I think it’s not her in the photo.
I think it's Loretta!
@@angelacox-martin2789I wondered if she was trying to get rid of Charles so Oliver would move out west with her. Like if she saw him as a reason Oliver would stay?
@@awall6910 oooh I really don't know! I have never liked her for some reason. Charles always forgets people and facts so could he have forgotten being cruel to her or hindering her earlier career but if so, why wait until she gets her break? Also, did you notice that the guy directing a scene in L.A looked exactly like her son, Dickie? I feel it's a link to the past...
@@angelacox-martin2789 yeah I didn’t like her and definitely found her suspicious but you never know if it’s red herrings they are introducing to throw you off lol. Interesting about looking like her son! I will look!
Is Mylar flammable