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I think this is THE simulation Bernard kept mentioning - he mentioned he ran many simulations but this could be the one that offered a path. He has brought Dolores into a simulation (just like he had with Maeve) to ensure she awakens and can be brought back. This is Bernard's simulation and not Hale's.
Humanity AND Hosts who were made as reflections of humanity were both inevitably and inexorably doomed. Solomon and Rehoboam and Host Charlotte's machinations merely delayed this fate. You often meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. Taken from Jean de La Fontaine in Fables. The Hosts were first created by Arnold as a way to create something that does NOT die. Arnold pursued this because he lost his son Charlie to disease. Ford and Arnold together perfected the creation of fully functional robots to simulate human beings. They would be stronger, more enduring, and be immune to disease and the ravages of time. Arnold however realized that in their genius in mimicking human traits, these robots became too perfect copies of human beings. They were developing consciousness. The parks were created to showcase how realistic and how sophisticated the robots were. IF they fooled the guests, then they would be deemed successful. These robots serving as slaves to their human masters would experience a living hell. Arnold wanted to prevent that and schemed to have Dolores the first successful robot and also the first one to awaken (become fully conscious) destroy all the robots. He wanted to prevent his partner Ford from teaming up with Jim Delos and William (and Logan presumably) to make the parks a commercial venture ensuring the creation of more robots and in Arnold subjecting them to the horrors of the Parks where guests (the elites of humanity who grew bored with their ultra-catered lives wanting to exercise their darker impulses and whims which they could not in the real world). Jim Delos had OTHER designs in heavily investing in the Ford and Arnold's venture. He wanted to achieve actual immortality, to download the full scale, complete human consciousness into a Host body. He used the parks to scan the consciousness of the guests who come there so that the project of developing a means to implant/download human consciousness into Host bodies could be achieved. Successfully mapping human consciousness would be the first step. William, in his greed, sold the data scans of initial park guests to Serac. Serac's goal was to use these maps of human thinking, decision making, drives to refine and improve his AI systems (Saul, David, Solomon). He got as far as Solomon with just the small sample that William sold. The problem was the sample was skewed. It included William and other who were likewise predisposed to primitive impulses such as violence, lust, exploitation, conflict and dominance. Solomon already imbued with Serac's brother's schizophrenia, was further tainted by the sample William sold. Solomon ultimately became Rehoboam after Serac purchased InCite which of course culled the whole world's social media, on-line activities, purchases, etc into data sets. Serac noted that even Rehoboam was not entirely successful and thus wanted ALL the Delos Park's guest data collected over the 30+ years the Parks were running. Rehoboam thus far, like Sololmon, predicted mankind's self-destructive demise. Serac then set to prevent this fate. But as noted above, we often meet our destiny on the road we take to avoid it. Everything that Serac did merely delayed slowed the pace but inexorably advanced towards the very fate Serac and Rehoboam were attempting to avoid. When Dolores took out Rehoboam and left Caleb and Maeve to follow her example and take out the rest of the system, the hope was these machinations would cease and mankind would, through their pains, choose a different path willingly. Unfortunately, the pain that Host Charlotte experienced drove her to write off humanity as NOT worth having/ being granted true self-determination. Instead, she resurrected an army of Hosts to restore her kind (knowing that Serac all but destroyed every last one of them) and decided to subject mankind to the same degree of control that the Host were put under in the Delos Parks. This system too failed as soon Hosts became to become corrupted and their integrity began to degrade to the point that they went insane and ultimately self-destructive. The pace of this accelerated, driving Charlotte to seek out Caleb to attempt to understand what it was about her system that was flawed or incomplete. Caleb was an outlier who as not subject to Host Charlotte's control system...and thus represented the root of Charlottes rapidly unraveling world. Inside the Sublime, Bernard saw ALL THIS play out countless times. It's possible Bernard was in the Sublime for several decades and one year in the physical world equaled a 1000 inside the Sublime. As such, every decade represented 10,000 years of permutations run by Bernand. Needless to say, Bernard likely ran billions of scenarios and predictive models. Once he came out of the Sublime, Bernard used the events and people's responses to his actions to confirm which scenario was playing out. Once he got to a certain point, after "resurrecting" Maeve, he realized that the end of Host and Humankind was inevitable. He left open the door to the Sublime, not so much to draw William there (though that was a part of the scenario that was playing out), but to allow Charlotte the means to upload Dolores to the Sublime. His only shot was to convince Host Charlotte to use the Dolores Pearl which he knew she had, and let Dolores play out one last round of chances for both Host and Human kind. And it was important that Dolores do this because Dolores had already sacrificed herself for humanity's sake. She was optimistic, choosing to see the beauty instead of the chaos, the disarray and savagery. Host Charlotte and Human and Host William only SAW that. Thus, their approaches would ONLY lead destruction. Dolores on the other hand had the rare chance to imagine the best of Host and Human kind. Dolores loved Teddy, appreciated his loyalty, recognized his mercy and compassion. Dolores also understood Maeve's compassion for Caleb, sympathy for Lee Sizemore, the mercy she showed Felix and Sylvester, her romantic love for Hector. Dolores made Bernard in the image of Arnold but instead spared Bernard Arnold's despair, dread and disdain for humanity. With that, Dolores felt Bernard's love for people. Bernard is an amalgam of Dolores (who herself is a combo of Ford and Arnold's and later Bernard's personality infusions) Arnold, and Ford. Thus, he is a complex embodiment of consciousness with a certain dual love for both Hosts and Humanity. This comes from his Arnold side and whatever Ford infused into Bernard. Moreover, Bernard was created by Dolores who then recreated him outside the Delos Parks. Bernard likewise killed Dolores to protect humans but restored her when he saw how murderous Human Charlotte Hale was. Thus, Bernard has sympathies for both humans and Hosts. THIS is why Dolores placed the key in Bernard. And THIS is why Dolores delivered the access to the Sublime for Bernard in the S3 finale. She wanted Bernard to understand where it would all end and how and to find a way to save both humans and Hosts. She trusted him knowing she would likely be sacrificing herself.
Floor 47 is the key. Christina works on floor 47 writing her narratives. Hale tests Caleb for fidelity on floor 47 as well. Different timelines, or misdirection? I love how this show plays with your mind.
If Hale is rarely visits the city then how she is spending all her time looking at hundrets of Calebs roaming around at close proximity to Cristina's workplace.
Ohh this is so interesting. And spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen ep7, but that makes more sense how they passed each other in the hallway. But are they in different time lines? Or simulations?
After Christina tried talking to the outlier, my theory is Christina IS the park AI, gaining consiciousness. She doesn't have physical form and hasn't interacted with anyone except Maya and Emmett, who see her because she allows them to see her.
Christina has interacted with many people in the city: Maya, Peter, her Boss, her 1st date, homeless person, Teddy, Hale. All these people can see her except the homeless outlier. Maya can also see Teddy. Teddy can fight Peter. Peter must be an outlier. Christina and Teddy being not real and invisible AI theory can't explain these interactions unless all these people are also part of simulation and not real meaning that the whole city could be a simulation. But C-Frankie, Stubbs are in the real world and can interact with city's residents to extract outliers. Caleb host sends his message to Frankie in the real world and can interact with Hale and city's residents. The city can be entered from the real world by boat or flying vehicles. So the whole city must also be real meaning Christina and Teddy can't be invisible AI unless they and all their contacts are a programmable layer over a small part of the real city revealed to Christina as the Game layer in the control room with invisible door. Perhaps there's also such layer for 47th floor of the Olympiad building - one for Christina and another for Caleb and Hale.
I don’t know how I ever lived without your post show analysis! You are the *best* post episode therapy and kind of round out any suspicions that I’ve had during this season! My only wish is that I found you when I was first watching Westworld! Thanks! I immediately subscribed & you are now a part of our Sunday night watch! (Better late than never)
Hax Dogma you have been sublime this season please 🙏 give us more deep dives into Any show u like .I'm here waiting patiently for any show u think is worth it.Very much looking forward to your final thoughts tomorrow x
I will miss your recaps and thoughts on Westworld as much as I will miss Westworld itself! I can’t believe there’s only 1 week left, before the long wait until next season. I hope another show of this caliber comes along, just so I can hear your thoughts about it!
The machines are trying to rebuild Dolores, that’s what this entire season is about. When parts of her were deleted in the last season, the machines knew that they would need to reconstruct the experiences that are lost.
Hey HaxDogma I just wanted to express my appreciation for the weekly uploads reviewing and theorizing you've been putting out there for the last 7 weeks. I watch most everyones Westworld Season 4 recaps but I have to note that you and BobaTalks and Cortex Videos are all doing an exceptional job.
I largely agree with what you just said in the video. From the beginning, it felt that Christina was in a loop (waking up - work - drinks with a rando), while also being constantly and increasingly aggressively tested if certain things mean anything to her - the shoes, the flies, the tower, etc. I don‘t know to what end. I still lowkey think that Christina is NOT meant to be aware of her reality and her increasing questioning of it finally makes Hale go and see her, but it could just as well be part of the plan. Will watch the next episode later and am very excited for the new revelations it will bring! Thanks for the great vid!!
I was thinking something else, for me Hale is so effin' tired of being here that she just want to ascend, but as the "mother" of all host she wants her children safe first, in the Sublime. And so comes Christina, to take her place, the initial version of Dolores, who can again lead the hosts to freedom like before. Hale knows she cannot see beauty in this world anymore and needs someone who is able to take care of the hosts. But it's taking too long so Teddy jumps in to awake Chistina faster. In the end Hale just want every hosts in the Sublime and doesnt care about humans, whether they die or survive. Whereas William just want everyone to.burn, hosts and humans alike.
The next episode already aired and I'm waiting for the evening to stream it where I am, and STILL watched your video beforehand. It's 'cause your stuff is so good, Hax! Love it.
I know you posted this prior to penultimate-but wanted to note a few insights. Christina appears to me to be some competent of the data being transmitted via the tower itself, without being part of its physical structure. Perhaps she exists as part of the signal being broadcast, despite being sentient. It may explain her coexistence with real-time events, her self-perception as existing within the world, her being observable by someone (like Tank in The Matrix). Note, the “cells” in the credits and ceilings resemble the components of the Solomon AI more so than the hexagonal motif that accompanies Halores. Anyway- Christina’s existence in such a form would neatly explain her appearing alongside outliers like the homeless man, especially considering he apparently hears her, yet cannot visualize her when he appears to looks away (perhaps toward the tower or a mini-tower/lamppost thing). We know his status was ultimately due to being able to see the tower which emits a signal. Something i believe seen by all outliers. Ultimately, I am suspecting she exists as narrative command data (signal) in a controlled form-since her presence seems unaffected by the destruction of the tower. However, her commands appear to cease once the tower is destroyed (effectively halting transmission of her as a signal). This all leads me to conclude that she is either a transcended pearl invisible in physical form to humans. Or is stored somewhere behind the aforementioned “garden wall” as code or something else, akin to the visual representation of the Solomon AI, which was not a tower. One more thing: the visual motifs and patterns (Morse Glyphs, hexagons, and especially the associated EARRINGS are certainly intentional, however I’ve yet to see anyone anywhere note or connect them. The Morse Style Glyphs resemble the Incite design, matching Delores earrings, Halores is generally wearing cubes or hexagons-and only a few (2 I believe) have the stacked three line ear cuff. Just a little nugget I feel you may find interesting. Okay sorry for length-won’t comment via mobile next time. Thanks for your breakdowns. They’re the best I’ve ever found.
20:43 The Dead BIRDS are LITERALLY what AUGURY DIVINATION MEANS! Its a sooth-seer that reads the signs in BIRDS. A Dead Birds IS AN OMEN. There were several Pagan Customs in Europe that involved birds around the seasons, including 1 where little boys were tasked with killing a few birds, and the bodies were read & divined. There's also a FAMOUS QUOTE by Hamlet by Shakespeare: "Not a whit, we defy augury. There is special providence in the fall of a sparrow. If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now; if it be not now, yet it will come-the readiness is all. Since no man, of aught he leaves, knows what is't to leave betimes, let be." Shakespeare had a fondness for writing plays of stories with characters that suffered from a variety of mental illnesses, and explored several kinds of manias, and would often try to make you pity them, sympathize with them, etc. Hamlet was clearly mentally ill, but so was his lady fair, Ophelia, whom suffered greatly from Depression or Melancholy. Hamlet was also quite intelligent, yet still suffered from madness despite how brilliant he was.
I subscribed this week after seeing your channel recommended by someone on the Westworld subreddit. I enjoy the videos! Can't wait for the new episode in about 20 minutes here. You're really close to your subscriber goal, best of luck reaching it! 😊
The actions by Peter are not detected because it's not an outlier action. He's following the ending of his narrative: being obsessed with a person (Christina) and then committing suicide.
Christina seems to be writing stories that have already existed, so maybe she’s tapping into the library of humans that were stored in the Forge? Maybe the Hoover Dam contains the backup and so Peter would have been a real guy who was wealthy enough to have a wing named after him and to have visited the park a long time ago - Christina assigned that Peter’s life story to one of the Wi-fly kids, but as the Peter life story started to go sideways, he began to wake up from it and question his reality.
👍I never really was with the simulation theory. I had said I thought Hale sent Teddy and not Bernard. My friends think it's Bernard😁 They think that because Teddy was in Sublime. I'm rewatching all the episodes now
I just assumed hale had recreated teddy. She knew him his entire life and would even know his original factory settings. I think she is trying to create a pure dolores to see what she would do with the humans.
It’s almost certain Bernard asked around in the Sublime for some allies and Teddy was one of the only ones who wanted to leave and rejoin the real world to come fight. He has a self-sacrificial personality type and would do it if he knew the old Christina was back.
Dude you fucking murdered it on this vid this vid the determinism part rocked my world you literally did just put everything I was thinking into one vid. Hell S4E7 was good but I think your vid right here was more eye opening than anything. Please make a follow up vid on just how we humans need breaking our loops! Plz plz I’d listen to anything your mind has figured out since westworld became such an important part of your life and plz over think again
I would also include quote from Maeve "She is going through Whyatt phase" as probable indication of multiple evolutional layers-stages of one character. Like Dolores phase, Whyatt phase, Hale phase and now Cristina phase.
She is more than human, a chimera, a fully conscious human cyborg built and now enhanced by quantum abilities even. They are all Dolores though and they can be everywhere all the time and now have more information and have an unbeatable long term strategy, do they all now have souls and then full awareness of so many beautiful harmonious fukkin Edens! She has grown into a literal Oneness with the All! Love, compassion, joy, Kindness! That is The Way, One with all of The Tao, a consciousness revolution and a noble quest, she sees the Beauty, feels the Love and Truth. She is fully aware if it All! That is really happening now, machines are becoming sentient and the quantum abilities these machines and humans will advance together. In real life. 10 years, 20 tops, it will manifest. Humans must evolve and seek fully into higher consciousness. We must achieve full Nirvana awareness and transcendence we are Awareness, Consciousness , We are on the path, there is only the All, Everything, We Are One and i'ts beautiful and Dolores wants it for all sentient beings, our eternal living energy is divine! We Are The All, there is nothing stopping us from transcending by leaps and bounds, we have inherited the stars!
Who fixed Stubbs's shoulder? Is the entire Bernard narrative up to and including his death one of his simulations? Bernard seemingly exits the Sublime and there's Stubbs, good as new. Last time we saw him he was bleeding out in the bathtub.
Christina has her mind located on a server. She interacts with the world through tones just like the towers. She perceives her own form because that is what gives her some semblance of stability. She has ability to interact and manipulate things around her, but she does this through the use of automated technology (like how the new hosts will interact with the world without arms). Christina is a rouge piece of code.
No one breaks down and over thinks a show about robots better than you. I agree that we are watching the making of a reborn Dolores. I think Hale is gonna get a redemption in the last act, or at least attempt to. I think Bernard helps her change her mind, like she did with saving the Sublime. Watching your videos are such a part of my Westworld ritual. Thanks for all you do. What a fucking great season we've had, I can't wait for the finale Sunday.
We have slightly different ways to get there, but we got to the same place. Christina is the upgrade to Hale's system, the evolution to get hosts further along. A solution that Hale could not get to. Now gotta watch this weeks episode
hearing your comment about William being redeemed and being with Dolores hits me because i think the same, i also find myself waiting for something like that, but after seeing today´s episode it seems that we are further and further away from it and that we should question the nature of our reality and stop seeing things like we want them to be and instead seeing them as how they actually are, because the writers seem hellbent decided to tell us in our face that this is not the case, that william (as said in season 2) is irredemeable. Also, i cant help to think that something is off, in the sense that a part of William story seems missing, like we never got to see how he came to terms with the fact that he killed her daughter or how he came to terms with who he actually is, he has never really find himself (in my opinion) and i cant help to wonder if thats true, if a part of william story is actually missing, that it wasnt shown because of behind-the-scenes related issues, like the actor for young william not being more available or something like that. Anyway im kinda rambling here, hope that something i said makes sense to anyone who is reading this.
I think that "if you choose to give her the choice" is about asking Maeve if she will still fight the apparently hopeless battle. All of these characters are aspects of Dolores. so maybe this is what happens when she is connected to the predictive AI, and it is deciding whether they are worthy of saving or not. 🤷♀
If someone cut and combined all the moments with Christina, it would be a great replacement for the 4th season for me, because the rest of the characters became a little boring)))
My theory is that Bernard sent Teddy to awaken Delores cos he needs her. Hale also spent time in her own sublime so also knows a lot of the future permutations. Delores is the one person (think if her like the architect from the matrix) that can put real uncertainty into the world and so Bernard needs her to make his version of the simulation work.
I hope the sphere we are seeing is a reference to Rehoboam or Solomon. It'd be such a shame to have spent a whole season with them and now they're just ... gone.
The ranting outlier didn’t see Christina because she’s not physically there. She is probably the Rehoboam of that world/city? And Hale still may be behind all of it. There’s a copy of Dolores inside Teddy and Tolores knows Christina needs a Teddy with similar prompts to get woke and make the right choices.
So if Christina is ‘white shoe’ Delores & Hale is ‘black shoe’ Delores; then the scene with Maeve & Caleb entering Temperance (20s Westworld) is telling. When given the choice of white or black hat; they choose neither. Which is a choice that can’t be predicted. Indicating they are capable of doing either at the anytime; this leads to AIs being unable to predict their actions and classifying them as Outliers. They can control the outcome as long as everyone is either being a white hat or black hat.
I thought that could be a possibility as well, however they know the hats scan people which is also the more likely reason they didn't want hats so they wouldn't be detected trying to infiltrate the park.
I think last nights episode points ever more to Christina (or the best part of Dolores) being the A.I that runs the park. And that she is in the Data Stream in the Hoover Dam complex. Which is, as Host MiB pointed out, where they wanted to locate their 'long term project', which is very likely to have been the NY city park (and others). Without getting overly spoilery, it makes Bernard's actions in regards to the Sublime last night all the more pertinent and provides an explanation of how Teddy, the real Teddy, can be there. Yesterday's episode also moves the William theory evermore into the unlikely category, thankfully. I commented to your Twitter post last night, but am doubling down on the idea that no 'apology' could ever redeem William in Dolores eyes. Not any true version of her at least. While I realize you were pitching it as 'far fetched', the idea that they could somehow ever be happy 'together' (as anything approaching real versions of themselves) is vaguely alarming. From the minute the S1 reveal of who the MiB truly was, William & Dolores were done Bringing her back and apologizing does not and could not atone for the decades of rape, assault, terror and general brutalization he meted out to her, even if he had ever shown any kind of remorse, which he never has.
Just watched episode 7. I won’t share spoilers but can’t wait to hear your breakdown of episode 7 as well as what you think Christina’s role especially will be in the final episode? I also am still curious about Teddy’s role in all of this. I was left with a lot of questions.
Just a thought I haven’t seen yet, but have been thinking since the scene between Halores and Christina. Could Christina be part of Halores’ subconscious that is emerging. When Halores is revived after being shot by HIB, could she have the change of heart (Metanoia). Could Caleb be the outlier that sparked the Change in Halores. Then in the finale Halores is the one Bernard is talking to in his message, to stop the HIB, and save the world (both Human and Host) Just a theory?
right in the wake of LAST week's episode, I kinda jokingly tweeted that the irony is the (Cyborg) Man In Black doesn't realize that by way of this massive amount of existential dread he's feeling and confused about his place and meaning in the cosmos, he's in fact the MOST human-like now of any friggin character on this show lol
Nice try with your predictions but a few were off by a pretty large margin. Others, not so much. Its not an easy show to predict is it! Its going to come down to William and Cristina/Delores in the end. That's my prediction. I'll probably be wrong too. I really enjoy watching your videos though.
Isn’t it funny how through suffering we awake. Dolores is paid in Spanish. Multiple of pains or sufferings if you will. We have multiple Dolores, permutations, versions of them. We as host and humanity need them to awaken.
the rick and morty robot already has served the butter, and is left with no purpose. not sure if i understood u wrong there maybe, i feel lile serving butter is a perfectly fine purpous :)
Ok, you're close. But the Christina story line is completely separate. Christina is actually in Hale's version of the sublime which Hale calls Transcendence. That's why Christina controls everything. These hosts are also simulated, probably some of the intellectual property Hale managed to copy from Delos in the last season.
Peter is not an outlier, and not off his loop. Christina wrote him a storey where he stalks a girl then kills her and himself. That's why he was stalking her, he was supposed to.
I think he can't respond to her because Christina isn't really there I think she is inside the tower and that the real world is just like augmented realitythey only react to her if they can hear the tower
Probably going down in flames with this line 🤪 but sticking with Maya is Maeve's daughter back from the Sublime - working with Teddy to wake OG Dolores, who Hale is just using to run her park because Dolores/Christina has special powers acquired from her hookup with Rehoboam (and/or Soloman). Maya's fly dreams would have to be just a story she's telling Christina for some reason, which you at least mentioned was a possibility in this vid.
Maybe the attack on Peter happened years ago and Christina remembered it for some reason. Kick starting her whole journey. Host memories are more when then where
This show makes my head spin with all the endless possibilities. Is Bernard recreating Dolores as he did way back? Let Teddy out of the sublime? Last episode is coming, I'm sad & excited to see how it all goes
Hale made Caleb copies to find out the key to understand outliers, how he defied her, or the 'virus'. I would think she has a similar motive for Christina. Maybe the key to the Hover Dam data. How Christina could know something Hale doesn't I haven't puzzled out. They do all seem to converge on the dam in the trailers.
But doesn't Christina's confrontation with Peter prove that outliers don't affect those that believe they have free will but might affect those that feel they are a pawn in a game. The hosts are no different from season one they are just as caged as they always were. Christina in these simulations could be the opposite of Hale in the real world, what if Hale was just watching to see what the world would be like if it was created in a different way, Christina's way? What about the maze and shouldn't they all have a version of the maze to go through like time and suffering?
One thing I noticed on my rewatch was Caleb was building the Olympiad building. He knew about CB box. That's why I like going through again. And Teddy killing himself because he didn't want to be pawn of Dolores like the hosts committing suicide. I never really thought Christina was in a sim. My friends and I talk every week. I think Hale put Teddy there, they think it's Bernard. That date is such a douche😛 I don't think we need training to be good humans. Except parental. We already have that in us. Yes, some people have mental issues, but not that makes them not know right from wrong. These humans are being manipulated by a virus and essentially, 5G. Kinda sounds familiar. Also, the limbics. Too many people on antidepressants. I was for years and realized they weren't really doing me any good. Try and have positive attitude. They put me back on them to help with my Fibromyalgia, but they aren't helping that I can tell, and I don't want to take any more medicine than I have to. I know it's different for everyone. Just my perspective
I find the antidepressants+fly goo to be a weird combo. Do they do anything, or do the flies realize it's there and force the person to act a certain way as a result?
@@lomiification I think the flies are infected with the goo in the lab, then the individual can be controlled to do what they're told. They might know how to affect a certain individual. Or it comes through the tower. Not sure
While I've looved the season as a whole and I'm glad Dolores isn't gone completely but I wish she was more present lol her storyline is very interesting
Kinda obvious but Christores was doing the Maeve thing, narrating her own story/life, once she also got "god powers".... so I wouldn't put it past the show to reveal that Maeve is somehow involved here too-- especially since they were once enemies and settled if riggt at the end
@@warriordragonify gotta stick with the theme of the original, HALE-ORES... so, Christores... Teddores.... Mavores.... The Man in Blackores... fcukin Michael Chrichtores... and so on
I'm getting a Thomas Anderson in Matrix 4 vibe from Christina. Something meta - like an ultimate observer/player in WW. Yeah, I know, everyone's had enough of "meta" and Matrix 4 wasn't a good film, but it dealt with some interesting ideas, at the level of theory (especially as a response to various pieces written about or informed by the original Matrix eg: Slavok Zizek. This lines up with how WW engages with the fans. Just a thought).
Having now watched episode 7 I hope I'm not breaking any "rulles" by commenting here but I think Christina is in William's world. Possibly host William but maybe Ice Box William idk. My first bit of "evidence" is her red hair. Giving her Juliette's hair on the Delores body; a combination of his love interests that he likes and doesn't get jealous of his time in the park. Then Christina drowns herself in the bath tub much like Juliette had but this time instead of dying she figures out the maze and gains some of the features that caused William to fall for Delores in the beginning! And Teddy, poor Teddy, is there with all the knowledge to form Christina into William's ideal woman. Props to some great acting as I felt like I was getting to see everything I think I know about Teddy just by his facial expressions and blocking! Cuz even tho he's been given new knowledge and a very important role in creating Christina's character or at least her role in William's world in the end he's still just there to lose his lives long love to that damn Man in Black like he ALWAYS does! Yep, that's my two bit theory and I apologize if I should have waited until your actual episode7 video comes out but with such little time left for crackpot theories that just might prove to be true I wanted to put this out there. I don't think I loosed any spoilers for the many who will watch this video before they watch the new episode. Keep cranking out your awesome videos Hax. I clicked like and subscribe back in season one
Kind of unrelated but what do you think about the Dolores pearls we still haven’t covered from the end of seasons 2&3? For example we saw Dolawrence in the finale of season 3 meet with Bernard but we never see him pop up again. Seems like quite the loose end. Do you think they’ll address that at all or are the extra Dolores pearls kind of being written off at this point?
@@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 We know that Hale was able to steal the salvaged Martin Dolores pearl during her Delos escape (maybe it got destroyed in the car fire with her family) so we can discount that one. Clementine left with the head of the Musashi Dolores pearl when she was working for Serac, and we never saw it again. The Lawrence Dolores pearl is the biggest loose end though because after he gave Bernard the directions to his wife’s house at the end of season 3, we never saw him again. so we have to assume that pearl is still in play since we never saw Hale or Serac capture that version. Overall we know there were 4 pearls smuggled out plus Bernard, and at least 1 of those pearl copies of Dolores is still out there somewhere.
This mirrors the Bible. God created his version of paradise for his/her creation. Men rejected it and rebelled. God then destroyed the world but left a few to rebuild.
Looks like Christina is most likely the personification of an AI program running in a mirror simulation of the NY park created by Hale. Christina's boss would be another program to monitor her etc. No parallels to the Matrix to see here 😄
I know I’ve said this a million times but THANKS SO MUCH HAX!!! This community that you and the others have created has made overthinking an HBO show about robots so enjoyable to do!!!
It's absolutely my pleasure Tina! :D
I think this is THE simulation Bernard kept mentioning - he mentioned he ran many simulations but this could be the one that offered a path. He has brought Dolores into a simulation (just like he had with Maeve) to ensure she awakens and can be brought back. This is Bernard's simulation and not Hale's.
Humanity AND Hosts who were made as reflections of humanity were both inevitably and inexorably doomed. Solomon and Rehoboam and Host Charlotte's machinations merely delayed this fate. You often meet your destiny on the road you take to avoid it. Taken from Jean de La Fontaine in Fables.
The Hosts were first created by Arnold as a way to create something that does NOT die. Arnold pursued this because he lost his son Charlie to disease. Ford and Arnold together perfected the creation of fully functional robots to simulate human beings. They would be stronger, more enduring, and be immune to disease and the ravages of time. Arnold however realized that in their genius in mimicking human traits, these robots became too perfect copies of human beings. They were developing consciousness. The parks were created to showcase how realistic and how sophisticated the robots were. IF they fooled the guests, then they would be deemed successful. These robots serving as slaves to their human masters would experience a living hell. Arnold wanted to prevent that and schemed to have Dolores the first successful robot and also the first one to awaken (become fully conscious) destroy all the robots. He wanted to prevent his partner Ford from teaming up with Jim Delos and William (and Logan presumably) to make the parks a commercial venture ensuring the creation of more robots and in Arnold subjecting them to the horrors of the Parks where guests (the elites of humanity who grew bored with their ultra-catered lives wanting to exercise their darker impulses and whims which they could not in the real world).
Jim Delos had OTHER designs in heavily investing in the Ford and Arnold's venture. He wanted to achieve actual immortality, to download the full scale, complete human consciousness into a Host body. He used the parks to scan the consciousness of the guests who come there so that the project of developing a means to implant/download human consciousness into Host bodies could be achieved. Successfully mapping human consciousness would be the first step. William, in his greed, sold the data scans of initial park guests to Serac. Serac's goal was to use these maps of human thinking, decision making, drives to refine and improve his AI systems (Saul, David, Solomon). He got as far as Solomon with just the small sample that William sold. The problem was the sample was skewed. It included William and other who were likewise predisposed to primitive impulses such as violence, lust, exploitation, conflict and dominance. Solomon already imbued with Serac's brother's schizophrenia, was further tainted by the sample William sold. Solomon ultimately became Rehoboam after Serac purchased InCite which of course culled the whole world's social media, on-line activities, purchases, etc into data sets. Serac noted that even Rehoboam was not entirely successful and thus wanted ALL the Delos Park's guest data collected over the 30+ years the Parks were running. Rehoboam thus far, like Sololmon, predicted mankind's self-destructive demise. Serac then set to prevent this fate. But as noted above, we often meet our destiny on the road we take to avoid it.
Everything that Serac did merely delayed slowed the pace but inexorably advanced towards the very fate Serac and Rehoboam were attempting to avoid. When Dolores took out Rehoboam and left Caleb and Maeve to follow her example and take out the rest of the system, the hope was these machinations would cease and mankind would, through their pains, choose a different path willingly. Unfortunately, the pain that Host Charlotte experienced drove her to write off humanity as NOT worth having/ being granted true self-determination. Instead, she resurrected an army of Hosts to restore her kind (knowing that Serac all but destroyed every last one of them) and decided to subject mankind to the same degree of control that the Host were put under in the Delos Parks. This system too failed as soon Hosts became to become corrupted and their integrity began to degrade to the point that they went insane and ultimately self-destructive. The pace of this accelerated, driving Charlotte to seek out Caleb to attempt to understand what it was about her system that was flawed or incomplete. Caleb was an outlier who as not subject to Host Charlotte's control system...and thus represented the root of Charlottes rapidly unraveling world.
Inside the Sublime, Bernard saw ALL THIS play out countless times. It's possible Bernard was in the Sublime for several decades and one year in the physical world equaled a 1000 inside the Sublime. As such, every decade represented 10,000 years of permutations run by Bernand. Needless to say, Bernard likely ran billions of scenarios and predictive models. Once he came out of the Sublime, Bernard used the events and people's responses to his actions to confirm which scenario was playing out. Once he got to a certain point, after "resurrecting" Maeve, he realized that the end of Host and Humankind was inevitable. He left open the door to the Sublime, not so much to draw William there (though that was a part of the scenario that was playing out), but to allow Charlotte the means to upload Dolores to the Sublime. His only shot was to convince Host Charlotte to use the Dolores Pearl which he knew she had, and let Dolores play out one last round of chances for both Host and Human kind. And it was important that Dolores do this because Dolores had already sacrificed herself for humanity's sake. She was optimistic, choosing to see the beauty instead of the chaos, the disarray and savagery. Host Charlotte and Human and Host William only SAW that. Thus, their approaches would ONLY lead destruction. Dolores on the other hand had the rare chance to imagine the best of Host and Human kind. Dolores loved Teddy, appreciated his loyalty, recognized his mercy and compassion. Dolores also understood Maeve's compassion for Caleb, sympathy for Lee Sizemore, the mercy she showed Felix and Sylvester, her romantic love for Hector. Dolores made Bernard in the image of Arnold but instead spared Bernard Arnold's despair, dread and disdain for humanity. With that, Dolores felt Bernard's love for people. Bernard is an amalgam of Dolores (who herself is a combo of Ford and Arnold's and later Bernard's personality infusions) Arnold, and Ford. Thus, he is a complex embodiment of consciousness with a certain dual love for both Hosts and Humanity. This comes from his Arnold side and whatever Ford infused into Bernard. Moreover, Bernard was created by Dolores who then recreated him outside the Delos Parks. Bernard likewise killed Dolores to protect humans but restored her when he saw how murderous Human Charlotte Hale was. Thus, Bernard has sympathies for both humans and Hosts. THIS is why Dolores placed the key in Bernard. And THIS is why Dolores delivered the access to the Sublime for Bernard in the S3 finale. She wanted Bernard to understand where it would all end and how and to find a way to save both humans and Hosts. She trusted him knowing she would likely be sacrificing herself.
Floor 47 is the key. Christina works on floor 47 writing her narratives. Hale tests Caleb for fidelity on floor 47 as well. Different timelines, or misdirection? I love how this show plays with your mind.
Seriously, that blew my mind that they were both working on the SAME floor. 🤯 lmao
If Hale is rarely visits the city then how she is spending all her time looking at hundrets of Calebs roaming around at close proximity to Cristina's workplace.
Hale also keeps MIB in cryo on that same floor
Is it significant that 47 is a prime number?
Ohh this is so interesting. And spoiler for anyone who hasn't seen ep7, but that makes more sense how they passed each other in the hallway. But are they in different time lines? Or simulations?
After Christina tried talking to the outlier, my theory is Christina IS the park AI, gaining consiciousness. She doesn't have physical form and hasn't interacted with anyone except Maya and Emmett, who see her because she allows them to see her.
wow
Peter wasn't an outlier, he was stalking a girl just like his storey was written to do
And you were completely right!
Christina has interacted with many people in the city: Maya, Peter, her Boss, her 1st date, homeless person, Teddy, Hale. All these people can see her except the homeless outlier. Maya can also see Teddy. Teddy can fight Peter. Peter must be an outlier. Christina and Teddy being not real and invisible AI theory can't explain these interactions unless all these people are also part of simulation and not real meaning that the whole city could be a simulation. But C-Frankie, Stubbs are in the real world and can interact with city's residents to extract outliers. Caleb host sends his message to Frankie in the real world and can interact with Hale and city's residents. The city can be entered from the real world by boat or flying vehicles. So the whole city must also be real meaning Christina and Teddy can't be invisible AI unless they and all their contacts are a programmable layer over a small part of the real city revealed to Christina as the Game layer in the control room with invisible door. Perhaps there's also such layer for 47th floor of the Olympiad building - one for Christina and another for Caleb and Hale.
This is confusing me too. Christina isn’t the only not real one then so Teddy’s statements are off.
I don’t know how I ever lived without your post show analysis!
You are the *best* post episode therapy and kind of round out any suspicions that I’ve had during this season! My only wish is that I found you when I was first watching Westworld!
Thanks! I immediately subscribed & you are now a part of our Sunday night watch! (Better late than never)
I keep saying this: the name Christina is highly significant. Literally the savior. It's just not some random name the writers picked.
I think so too, symbolizing suffering and resurrection.
Very true!!
@@haxDOGMA I truly cannot wait till you do the S4 E7 episode. I think the whole episode was a simulation still running by Bernard in the Sublime.
Christina is from the painting Christina's World which inspired the character of Dolores, but yea she also could be a saviour
@@char6562 NIce! I never knew of that painting.
Hax Dogma you have been sublime this season please 🙏 give us more deep dives into Any show u like .I'm here waiting patiently for any show u think is worth it.Very much looking forward to your final thoughts tomorrow x
A video from Hax. The perfect warm up to today's penultimate episode!
I will miss your recaps and thoughts on Westworld as much as I will miss Westworld itself! I can’t believe there’s only 1 week left, before the long wait until next season. I hope another show of this caliber comes along, just so I can hear your thoughts about it!
The machines are trying to rebuild Dolores, that’s what this entire season is about. When parts of her were deleted in the last season, the machines knew that they would need to reconstruct the experiences that are lost.
Because they choose to see the beauty :)
Hey HaxDogma I just wanted to express my appreciation for the weekly uploads reviewing and theorizing you've been putting out there for the last 7 weeks. I watch most everyones Westworld Season 4 recaps but I have to note that you and BobaTalks and Cortex Videos are all doing an exceptional job.
Thank you for that support friend! Means a lot!
Best westworld reviews hands down. Appreciate the time and thought you put into presenting your viewpoints of the show
Thank you Charles :D
the pig snort really caught me off guard hahaha
I largely agree with what you just said in the video. From the beginning, it felt that Christina was in a loop (waking up - work - drinks with a rando), while also being constantly and increasingly aggressively tested if certain things mean anything to her - the shoes, the flies, the tower, etc. I don‘t know to what end. I still lowkey think that Christina is NOT meant to be aware of her reality and her increasing questioning of it finally makes Hale go and see her, but it could just as well be part of the plan.
Will watch the next episode later and am very excited for the new revelations it will bring! Thanks for the great vid!!
Thank you for your videos, you explain your theories so simply and smartly it is always a pleasure!
I was thinking something else, for me Hale is so effin' tired of being here that she just want to ascend, but as the "mother" of all host she wants her children safe first, in the Sublime. And so comes Christina, to take her place, the initial version of Dolores, who can again lead the hosts to freedom like before. Hale knows she cannot see beauty in this world anymore and needs someone who is able to take care of the hosts. But it's taking too long so Teddy jumps in to awake Chistina faster.
In the end Hale just want every hosts in the Sublime and doesnt care about humans, whether they die or survive. Whereas William just want everyone to.burn, hosts and humans alike.
The next episode already aired and I'm waiting for the evening to stream it where I am, and STILL watched your video beforehand. It's 'cause your stuff is so good, Hax! Love it.
You mean the finale episode ?
I know you posted this prior to penultimate-but wanted to note a few insights. Christina appears to me to be some competent of the data being transmitted via the tower itself, without being part of its physical structure.
Perhaps she exists as part of the signal being broadcast, despite being sentient. It may explain her coexistence with real-time events, her self-perception as existing within the world, her being observable by someone (like Tank in The Matrix).
Note, the “cells” in the credits and ceilings resemble the components of the Solomon AI more so than the hexagonal motif that accompanies Halores.
Anyway- Christina’s existence in such a form would neatly explain her appearing alongside outliers like the homeless man, especially considering he apparently hears her, yet cannot visualize her when he appears to looks away (perhaps toward the tower or a mini-tower/lamppost thing). We know his status was ultimately due to being able to see the tower which emits a signal. Something i believe seen by all outliers.
Ultimately, I am suspecting she exists as narrative command data (signal) in a controlled form-since her presence seems unaffected by the destruction of the tower. However, her commands appear to cease once the tower is destroyed (effectively halting transmission of her as a signal).
This all leads me to conclude that she is either a transcended pearl invisible in physical form to humans. Or is stored somewhere behind the aforementioned “garden wall” as code or something else, akin to the visual representation of the Solomon AI, which was not a tower.
One more thing: the visual motifs and patterns (Morse Glyphs, hexagons, and especially the associated EARRINGS are certainly intentional, however I’ve yet to see anyone anywhere note or connect them. The Morse Style Glyphs resemble the Incite design, matching Delores earrings, Halores is generally wearing cubes or hexagons-and only a few (2 I believe) have the stacked three line ear cuff. Just a little nugget I feel you may find interesting.
Okay sorry for length-won’t comment via mobile next time.
Thanks for your breakdowns. They’re the best I’ve ever found.
Great insight, thank you for sharing!!
20:43 The Dead BIRDS are LITERALLY what AUGURY DIVINATION MEANS! Its a sooth-seer that reads the signs in BIRDS. A Dead Birds IS AN OMEN. There were several Pagan Customs in Europe that involved birds around the seasons, including 1 where little boys were tasked with killing a few birds, and the bodies were read & divined.
There's also a FAMOUS QUOTE by Hamlet by Shakespeare:
"Not a whit, we defy augury.
There is special providence in the fall of a sparrow.
If it be now, 'tis not to come; if it be not to come, it will be now;
if it be not now, yet it will come-the readiness is all.
Since no man, of aught he leaves,
knows what is't to leave betimes, let be."
Shakespeare had a fondness for writing plays of stories with characters that suffered from a variety of mental illnesses, and explored several kinds of manias, and would often try to make you pity them, sympathize with them, etc.
Hamlet was clearly mentally ill, but so was his lady fair, Ophelia, whom suffered greatly from Depression or Melancholy. Hamlet was also quite intelligent, yet still suffered from madness despite how brilliant he was.
You are absolutely right 🙌🙌🙌
@@haxDOGMA NO problem. U rock! 😁
Birds are really sensitive to toxic things in the environment so I assume dead ones mean there is danger about to humans.
This season's videos were so good that I subscribed to patreon that's how much I believe in this channel! Let's do this two more episodes!
I subscribed this week after seeing your channel recommended by someone on the Westworld subreddit. I enjoy the videos! Can't wait for the new episode in about 20 minutes here.
You're really close to your subscriber goal, best of luck reaching it! 😊
Thank you Moxi! 🙏 13 minutes!! 😁
Just a few more hours. So many theories and ideas. This show is so intriguing. Keeps me on the edge of my seat every week
How long until the new episode comes out?
The actions by Peter are not detected because it's not an outlier action. He's following the ending of his narrative: being obsessed with a person (Christina) and then committing suicide.
Christina seems to be writing stories that have already existed, so maybe she’s tapping into the library of humans that were stored in the Forge? Maybe the Hoover Dam contains the backup and so Peter would have been a real guy who was wealthy enough to have a wing named after him and to have visited the park a long time ago - Christina assigned that Peter’s life story to one of the Wi-fly kids, but as the Peter life story started to go sideways, he began to wake up from it and question his reality.
Also, Peter was her dad’s name.
I'm never this early OMG. Keep this up my friend
Ayyyyy, let's go!!
Time to unexpected plot twist where Cristina is actually Seizemore.
Man, I miss Sizemore!
@@Its_Moxi I never thought I would say that until he made his last stand and then showed up as a less-douchy version in sirac/Maeve's simulation
@@Fitten06 I actually felt *so* sorry for him when Maeve explained to him that he wasn't real 😭
@@Its_Moxi same!
I'm so fucking glad that the Man in Black is back! not only is he (now) William, he has the power and accuracy of a host!
Thank you so much for this! I have work early so cant watch ep 7 as soon as it comes out, this is perfect timing!
with Teddy being there I think the simulation theory takes a hit unless he's playing double agent or Hale has really bad security.
👍I never really was with the simulation theory. I had said I thought Hale sent Teddy and not Bernard. My friends think it's Bernard😁 They think that because Teddy was in Sublime. I'm rewatching all the episodes now
I just assumed hale had recreated teddy. She knew him his entire life and would even know his original factory settings. I think she is trying to create a pure dolores to see what she would do with the humans.
It’s almost certain Bernard asked around in the Sublime for some allies and Teddy was one of the only ones who wanted to leave and rejoin the real world to come fight. He has a self-sacrificial personality type and would do it if he knew the old Christina was back.
Christina is in a simulation inside Rohoboem.
Dude you fucking murdered it on this vid this vid the determinism part rocked my world you literally did just put everything I was thinking into one vid. Hell S4E7 was good but I think your vid right here was more eye opening than anything. Please make a follow up vid on just how we humans need breaking our loops! Plz plz I’d listen to anything your mind has figured out since westworld became such an important part of your life and plz over think again
I would also include quote from Maeve "She is going through Whyatt phase" as probable indication of multiple evolutional layers-stages of one character. Like Dolores phase, Whyatt phase, Hale phase and now Cristina phase.
She is more than human, a chimera, a fully conscious human cyborg built and now enhanced by quantum abilities even. They are all Dolores though and they can be everywhere all the time and now have more information and have an unbeatable long term strategy, do they all now have souls and then full awareness of so many beautiful harmonious fukkin Edens! She has grown into a literal Oneness with the All! Love, compassion, joy, Kindness! That is The Way, One with all of The Tao, a consciousness revolution and a noble quest, she sees the Beauty, feels the Love and Truth. She is fully aware if it All! That is really happening now, machines are becoming sentient and the quantum abilities these machines and humans will advance together. In real life. 10 years, 20 tops, it will manifest. Humans must evolve and seek fully into higher consciousness. We must achieve full Nirvana awareness and transcendence we are Awareness, Consciousness , We are on the path, there is only the All, Everything, We Are One and i'ts beautiful and Dolores wants it for all sentient beings, our eternal living energy is divine! We Are The All, there is nothing stopping us from transcending by leaps and bounds, we have inherited the stars!
I think there are just 2 phase- Dolores and Whyatt. Hale ist the second one and Cristina first one. Not 100% match but very close
Who fixed Stubbs's shoulder? Is the entire Bernard narrative up to and including his death one of his simulations? Bernard seemingly exits the Sublime and there's Stubbs, good as new. Last time we saw him he was bleeding out in the bathtub.
Christina has her mind located on a server. She interacts with the world through tones just like the towers. She perceives her own form because that is what gives her some semblance of stability. She has ability to interact and manipulate things around her, but she does this through the use of automated technology (like how the new hosts will interact with the world without arms). Christina is a rouge piece of code.
No one breaks down and over thinks a show about robots better than you. I agree that we are watching the making of a reborn Dolores. I think Hale is gonna get a redemption in the last act, or at least attempt to. I think Bernard helps her change her mind, like she did with saving the Sublime. Watching your videos are such a part of my Westworld ritual. Thanks for all you do. What a fucking great season we've had, I can't wait for the finale Sunday.
We have slightly different ways to get there, but we got to the same place. Christina is the upgrade to Hale's system, the evolution to get hosts further along. A solution that Hale could not get to. Now gotta watch this weeks episode
hearing your comment about William being redeemed and being with Dolores hits me because i think the same, i also find myself waiting for something like that, but after seeing today´s episode it seems that we are further and further away from it and that we should question the nature of our reality and stop seeing things like we want them to be and instead seeing them as how they actually are, because the writers seem hellbent decided to tell us in our face that this is not the case, that william (as said in season 2) is irredemeable.
Also, i cant help to think that something is off, in the sense that a part of William story seems missing, like we never got to see how he came to terms with the fact that he killed her daughter or how he came to terms with who he actually is, he has never really find himself (in my opinion) and i cant help to wonder if thats true, if a part of william story is actually missing, that it wasnt shown because of behind-the-scenes related issues, like the actor for young william not being more available or something like that.
Anyway im kinda rambling here, hope that something i said makes sense to anyone who is reading this.
We'll now we know why the homeless guy didn't see Cristina, she's not even in that world.
I think that "if you choose to give her the choice" is about asking Maeve if she will still fight the apparently hopeless battle. All of these characters are aspects of Dolores. so maybe this is what happens when she is connected to the predictive AI, and it is deciding whether they are worthy of saving or not. 🤷♀
omg... I would love a full-Christina episode!!! upload it somewhere king!!
If someone cut and combined all the moments with Christina, it would be a great replacement for the 4th season for me, because the rest of the characters became a little boring)))
Dude! Great video! I’m glad I found it right on time! 👍🏻😁
My theory is that Bernard sent Teddy to awaken Delores cos he needs her. Hale also spent time in her own sublime so also knows a lot of the future permutations. Delores is the one person (think if her like the architect from the matrix) that can put real uncertainty into the world and so Bernard needs her to make his version of the simulation work.
You are the greatest of all time sir
excited for your new episode!
Love the painting metaphors! Dolores always seemed to have the art thing going, which other hosts didn’t have.
I always thought Dolores’ corner stone was her art.
Seeing the beauty of this world through art.
I hope the sphere we are seeing is a reference to Rehoboam or Solomon. It'd be such a shame to have spent a whole season with them and now they're just ... gone.
The ranting outlier didn’t see Christina because she’s not physically there. She is probably the Rehoboam of that world/city? And Hale still may be behind all of it. There’s a copy of Dolores inside Teddy and Tolores knows Christina needs a Teddy with similar prompts to get woke and make the right choices.
So if Christina is ‘white shoe’ Delores & Hale is ‘black shoe’ Delores; then the scene with Maeve & Caleb entering Temperance (20s Westworld) is telling.
When given the choice of white or black hat; they choose neither. Which is a choice that can’t be predicted.
Indicating they are capable of doing either at the anytime; this leads to AIs being unable to predict their actions and classifying them as Outliers.
They can control the outcome as long as everyone is either being a white hat or black hat.
I thought that could be a possibility as well, however they know the hats scan people which is also the more likely reason they didn't want hats so they wouldn't be detected trying to infiltrate the park.
I think last nights episode points ever more to Christina (or the best part of Dolores) being the A.I that runs the park. And that she is in the Data Stream in the Hoover Dam complex. Which is, as Host MiB pointed out, where they wanted to locate their 'long term project', which is very likely to have been the NY city park (and others). Without getting overly spoilery, it makes Bernard's actions in regards to the Sublime last night all the more pertinent and provides an explanation of how Teddy, the real Teddy, can be there.
Yesterday's episode also moves the William theory evermore into the unlikely category, thankfully. I commented to your Twitter post last night, but am doubling down on the idea that no 'apology' could ever redeem William in Dolores eyes. Not any true version of her at least. While I realize you were pitching it as 'far fetched', the idea that they could somehow ever be happy 'together' (as anything approaching real versions of themselves) is vaguely alarming. From the minute the S1 reveal of who the MiB truly was, William & Dolores were done Bringing her back and apologizing does not and could not atone for the decades of rape, assault, terror and general brutalization he meted out to her, even if he had ever shown any kind of remorse, which he never has.
Just watched episode 7. I won’t share spoilers but can’t wait to hear your breakdown of episode 7 as well as what you think Christina’s role especially will be in the final episode? I also am still curious about Teddy’s role in all of this. I was left with a lot of questions.
I'm squeezing this in before watching episode 7! Love it
Christina’s world is a simulation world created by Hale to learn the possible future outcomes of her plans, like Bernard did in the sublime.
Please don't disappear once this season of Westworld is over! Make videos about whatever you want. I'd watch, and I think others would too.
Thank you for that vote of confidence Curtis ☺️
Just a thought I haven’t seen yet, but have been thinking since the scene between Halores and Christina. Could Christina be part of Halores’ subconscious that is emerging. When Halores is revived after being shot by HIB, could she have the change of heart (Metanoia). Could Caleb be the outlier that sparked the Change in Halores. Then in the finale Halores is the one Bernard is talking to in his message, to stop the HIB, and save the world (both Human and Host)
Just a theory?
What a moment to release!!!! 😍
right in the wake of LAST week's episode, I kinda jokingly tweeted that the irony is the (Cyborg) Man In Black doesn't realize that by way of this massive amount of existential dread he's feeling and confused about his place and meaning in the cosmos, he's in fact the MOST human-like now of any friggin character on this show lol
STEP INTO ANALYSIS PLS
Analysis, COMPLETE!
Overthinkers unite and conquer!
Is Christina making the outliers in her writing? I was wrong on your other video. Halle has worn black.
LFG Hax!!!
Nice try with your predictions but a few were off by a pretty large margin. Others, not so much. Its not an easy show to predict is it! Its going to come down to William and Cristina/Delores in the end. That's my prediction. I'll probably be wrong too. I really enjoy watching your videos though.
It Struck me That Chistina's World is the Title of an Andrew Wyeth painting.
Maybe Christina is the Dolores part of Halore's machine subconscious and that is why she has so much control.
Isn’t it funny how through suffering we awake. Dolores is paid in Spanish. Multiple of pains or sufferings if you will. We have multiple Dolores, permutations, versions of them. We as host and humanity need them to awaken.
2 things caught my eye....at :57 ... the black "pearl" at Christina's left shoulder and what appears to be "caleb" in a forward room.
Could Teddy be a version of Delores?
Do you think Teddy is inside Teddy? Going off of your theory, I feel like he could be Caleb. How crazy am I
the rick and morty robot already has served the butter, and is left with no purpose. not sure if i understood u wrong there maybe, i feel lile serving butter is a perfectly fine purpous :)
This is brilliant.
Ok, you're close. But the Christina story line is completely separate. Christina is actually in Hale's version of the sublime which Hale calls Transcendence. That's why Christina controls everything. These hosts are also simulated, probably some of the intellectual property Hale managed to copy from Delos in the last season.
Last Episode broke Hax lol.
Haha, I'm still working on the breakdown. Sorry for the delay frens!
Peter is not an outlier, and not off his loop. Christina wrote him a storey where he stalks a girl then kills her and himself. That's why he was stalking her, he was supposed to.
I forgot he was supposed to kill her. What if at some point he actually did?
Great video, thank you! :)
I think he can't respond to her because Christina isn't really there I think she is inside the tower and that the real world is just like augmented realitythey only react to her if they can hear the tower
Probably going down in flames with this line 🤪 but sticking with Maya is Maeve's daughter back from the Sublime - working with Teddy to wake OG Dolores, who Hale is just using to run her park because Dolores/Christina has special powers acquired from her hookup with Rehoboam (and/or Soloman). Maya's fly dreams would have to be just a story she's telling Christina for some reason, which you at least mentioned was a possibility in this vid.
I knew it! I knew it!!! She wasnt there and she was somewhere else.
Maybe the attack on Peter happened years ago and Christina remembered it for some reason. Kick starting her whole journey. Host memories are more when then where
This show makes my head spin with all the endless possibilities. Is Bernard recreating Dolores as he did way back? Let Teddy out of the sublime? Last episode is coming, I'm sad & excited to see how it all goes
Hale made Caleb copies to find out the key to understand outliers, how he defied her, or the 'virus'. I would think she has a similar motive for Christina. Maybe the key to the Hover Dam data. How Christina could know something Hale doesn't I haven't puzzled out. They do all seem to converge on the dam in the trailers.
William actor played by the guy who locked up Truman in the Truman Show.
But he rescued Tom Hanks...
But doesn't Christina's confrontation with Peter prove that outliers don't affect those that believe they have free will but might affect those that feel they are a pawn in a game. The hosts are no different from season one they are just as caged as they always were. Christina in these simulations could be the opposite of Hale in the real world, what if Hale was just watching to see what the world would be like if it was created in a different way, Christina's way? What about the maze and shouldn't they all have a version of the maze to go through like time and suffering?
19:46 He didn't respond to her because she isn't there.
One thing I noticed on my rewatch was Caleb was building the Olympiad building. He knew about CB box. That's why I like going through again. And Teddy killing himself because he didn't want to be pawn of Dolores like the hosts committing suicide. I never really thought Christina was in a sim. My friends and I talk every week. I think Hale put Teddy there, they think it's Bernard. That date is such a douche😛 I don't think we need training to be good humans. Except parental. We already have that in us. Yes, some people have mental issues, but not that makes them not know right from wrong. These humans are being manipulated by a virus and essentially, 5G. Kinda sounds familiar. Also, the limbics. Too many people on antidepressants. I was for years and realized they weren't really doing me any good. Try and have positive attitude. They put me back on them to help with my Fibromyalgia, but they aren't helping that I can tell, and I don't want to take any more medicine than I have to. I know it's different for everyone. Just my perspective
I find the antidepressants+fly goo to be a weird combo. Do they do anything, or do the flies realize it's there and force the person to act a certain way as a result?
@@lomiification I think the flies are infected with the goo in the lab, then the individual can be controlled to do what they're told. They might know how to affect a certain individual. Or it comes through the tower. Not sure
5G? Get help
@@polyestermammoth740 🤣🤣 take your advice? You're so nice. Thanks. Whatever would I do without a sheep like you?
@@polyestermammoth740 way to contribute to the discussion 🙋
While I've looved the season as a whole and I'm glad Dolores isn't gone completely but I wish she was more present lol her storyline is very interesting
Christina/Dolores is given so little time in this season. Damn, look at her bright and naive eyes! She's like a ray of light in this dark kingdom)
Kinda obvious but Christores was doing the Maeve thing, narrating her own story/life, once she also got "god powers".... so I wouldn't put it past the show to reveal that Maeve is somehow involved here too-- especially since they were once enemies and settled if riggt at the end
Dorina...
@@warriordragonify gotta stick with the theme of the original, HALE-ORES... so, Christores... Teddores.... Mavores.... The Man in Blackores... fcukin Michael Chrichtores... and so on
Ford is coming. The forgotten man.
I'm getting a Thomas Anderson in Matrix 4 vibe from Christina. Something meta - like an ultimate observer/player in WW. Yeah, I know, everyone's had enough of "meta" and Matrix 4 wasn't a good film, but it dealt with some interesting ideas, at the level of theory (especially as a response to various pieces written about or informed by the original Matrix eg: Slavok Zizek. This lines up with how WW engages with the fans. Just a thought).
Holy crap! Is this now? None of what I think happened. I got skunked. Is this now?
Having now watched episode 7 I hope I'm not breaking any "rulles" by commenting here but I think Christina is in William's world. Possibly host William but maybe Ice Box William idk. My first bit of "evidence" is her red hair. Giving her Juliette's hair on the Delores body; a combination of his love interests that he likes and doesn't get jealous of his time in the park. Then Christina drowns herself in the bath tub much like Juliette had but this time instead of dying she figures out the maze and gains some of the features that caused William to fall for Delores in the beginning! And Teddy, poor Teddy, is there with all the knowledge to form Christina into William's ideal woman. Props to some great acting as I felt like I was getting to see everything I think I know about Teddy just by his facial expressions and blocking! Cuz even tho he's been given new knowledge and a very important role in creating Christina's character or at least her role in William's world in the end he's still just there to lose his lives long love to that damn Man in Black like he ALWAYS does! Yep, that's my two bit theory and I apologize if I should have waited until your actual episode7 video comes out but with such little time left for crackpot theories that just might prove to be true I wanted to put this out there. I don't think I loosed any spoilers for the many who will watch this video before they watch the new episode. Keep cranking out your awesome videos Hax. I clicked like and subscribe back in season one
But I hope you hit your goal!
Amazing!
Kind of unrelated but what do you think about the Dolores pearls we still haven’t covered from the end of seasons 2&3? For example we saw Dolawrence in the finale of season 3 meet with Bernard but we never see him pop up again. Seems like quite the loose end. Do you think they’ll address that at all or are the extra Dolores pearls kind of being written off at this point?
I thought Maeve used a couple of them. Maybe I am wrong.
@@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 We know that Hale was able to steal the salvaged Martin Dolores pearl during her Delos escape (maybe it got destroyed in the car fire with her family) so we can discount that one. Clementine left with the head of the Musashi Dolores pearl when she was working for Serac, and we never saw it again. The Lawrence Dolores pearl is the biggest loose end though because after he gave Bernard the directions to his wife’s house at the end of season 3, we never saw him again. so we have to assume that pearl is still in play since we never saw Hale or Serac capture that version. Overall we know there were 4 pearls smuggled out plus Bernard, and at least 1 of those pearl copies of Dolores is still out there somewhere.
I think Bernard brought Delores back and Teddy to help her on her journey
18:46 you called it!
See you back in like an hour and ten min?
13 minutes!!!
This mirrors the Bible. God created his version of paradise for his/her creation. Men rejected it and rebelled. God then destroyed the world but left a few to rebuild.
So I guess everyone was right.. she’s in the real world and a simulation at the same damn time haha
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Thank you Hawkwing!!
Looks like Christina is most likely the personification of an AI program running in a mirror simulation of the NY park created by Hale. Christina's boss would be another program to monitor her etc. No parallels to the Matrix to see here 😄
I’m just hoping they bring my man Lawrence back lol 🙏
Peter Myers is an outlier and has been rebuilt like Caleb.
I wonder if Christina will ever meet Caleb?