I love this dude and how he didn’t just go all in on guns. That said, I think it’s relevant that he seemed to be comparing bear spray to a gun for untrained people. That’s fair, and I agree. The average gun owner - even among people who consider themselves “gun guys” - shoot into trash a time or two a year on a flat, stationary range. If it’s me, I’m going with both. Bear spray on one side and a Glock 20 on the other with an extra magazine. But I train weekly.
On the topic of red Rider STEVE mentioned his son used to use two fingers to pull the trigger on his red rider. My son did the same exact thing he’s now 12 years old. He’s got eight deer to his credit hundreds of squirrels and still uses two fingers to pull the trigger for every gun he owns.
y'all are funny - thanks for asking about the bear spray or pistol - wasn't expecting that. seems like both would be best - spray first, pistol for if that doesn't work out, and have a 2nd can for later
I spent a summer helping on a black bear study in college. We trapped them with ankle snares just as he describes. A big boar would have a 20 foot wide circle around the snare where everything within reach was shredded like a bulldozer came through. Sometimes they’d chew the tree the the trap was cabled to in half. We’re talking big trees chewed in half in a matter of hours. I can’t imagine what the trap site would look like catching grizzlies in an ankle snare. Man would I love to be a fly on the wall for a few weeks of trap checking
@@ZGADOW I almost got into a wrestling match with a momma black bear on the way to my treestand one morning in Florida she rushed a me 3 different times from 3 different directions so fast I thought forsure I was gonna be the first Florida black bear fatality 😂
I feel like he was a little off on the bear weight numbers. A kid in Louisiana just killed a 20 year old black bear at 490 pounds. Grizzlies are quite a bit bigger
I was wondering the same thing. I lived the better part of the last 20 years in northeast Louisiana where that bear was killed and there’s a bunch of big bears around there. It’s hard to imagine that Louisiana black bears are as big as grizzlies in the Yellowstone region.
I agree about carrying bear spray only where grizzlies exist with one exception, the area in WNC in and around Great Smoky Mountains National Park and adjoining areas along the Blue Ridge Parkway. There are fairly high numbers of bear/human encounters, and an abnormally high number of aggressive bear encounters.
I can say without a doubt that I always carry in Pisgah and never will not. Just from that Hog in Transylvania in 2015 and that GIANT bear in Haywood a year or two ago. Both were around 700lbs lol
I wouldn’t take any grief over my backcountry protection from someone who’s been nearly attacked at least three times in close quarters by the Grizz and allowed himself to be ran over by a moose.. Bear spray is not just for bears, aggressive humans can be just as dangerous 😮
I live in E Washington, hunt, camp in this area. I have several game camera pictures of grizzly bears over several years. Boars, Sows with cubs, yesar after year. They are absolutely here in the Selkirk/Salmo areas. Yes that is very close to Idaho/BC. As the Caribou goes, I have seen tracks, sent the pictures and an OnX pinto the Kalispell Tribe and Bart George and came back as positive for Caribou, so they may not be a population, but they are definitely moving in and out of that area.
Something about that poster of crab in the back keeps tricking me into thinking it’s real. Like an upright case filled with crab that size lol. Very 3D looking to me.
18:58 I thought when he was being interviewed by Steve that he said they told him. 399 was like 6 miles away. But yeah, I think her the way he was saying it, he felt it might have been her, but he also said before mentioning her that he told them he startled the Bear. He doesn't want them to destroy the Bear because it wasn't aboh. Her just randomly coming up to him. He startled her. It wouldn't have
I'd also think it would awesome if grizzlies roamed the Bzn area! Used to be some up in cottonwood drainage back in the 80s. I assume they still use cottonwood and Hyalite drainages??!
I’ve never hunted bear of any species. It’s really heavy on the stupid side of life for the single strand hotwire protecting me from life and death! But I’ve been trying to keep up with the Jaguars moving up into the sw US. Do you have any knowledge of this and if so what is your opinion on the effects of cohabitating with sheep herders and cattle ranchers?
Im a new hunter. I hunt in Canada,. I always have a bear tag because when I harvest my Elk the dinner bell is rung. And when that black bear comes in on me I can at least defend my self if needed and I get my bear. I also have had Grizz walking in on my hunt. Which then I have chosen to go home. I dont fuck with Grizzly its a different animal compared to a Black Bear. I am probably a pyssy but if you came out with me and felt what it feels like to have a Grizzly walking in on you and your camp and you didnt care ? You are a stupider person then me . Since the ban on shooting Grizz in BC. We have systematically made it harder for all of the Ungulates and the hunters at the same time in the sake of protecting the Grizzly. I love Bears. I dont want to have to shoot them. But i DONT WANT THEM TO OUT NUMBER ME AND MY FRIENDS
I always thought it to be strange, watching western hunter walk around with an empty chamber. Here in Pennsylvania, we are always loaded. No need for dangerous game to have one in the pipe, your hunting.
For bears, it's a firearm. We have many case studies now that show firearms are around 97+% effective against bear attacks, bear spray is seemingly less than 30% effective. It appears the old Brigham Young study saying bear spray is better was erroneous and biased.
Did the case studies make any distinction between/among those attacks on whether they are in bear area to hunt (and therefore more prepared with the gun) or just camping (may have a gun but not at the ready) and whether they are carrying both and either used the bear spray first, then gun or gun first then bear spray. I'd guess these will impact the dataset. If the old studies primarily looked at population encounters from campers or hikers then having a bear spray on hand will skew the data to it being more effective than both nothing and a gun (where hikers or campers rarely have their gun, if any, more accessible than the bear spray). If you look at hunters (not necessarily for bears but are in the same area), then the data will also skew towards gun being more effective because hunters would be more ready with a gun than with a bear spray. Also, an attack happening where some just realized the bear is standing next to them would also warrant the preference for bear spray over a rifle.
This was so great! Imo this all comes down to land and sprawl. There's so much money flying in buying up huge plots of land, often just for temporary living! Classic tragedy of the commons. We'd all be better off if we, the humans, increased our density and lived in apartments and then shared more of the outdoors as public space, with each other and with wildlife. We've spent hundreds of years all trying to each get our own piece and it doesn't make sense. Do a federal land value tax on an annual basis, upzone the absolute centre of every travel node with single point access apartment blocks, and expand the boundaries of national parks. Dense human activity shrinks the surface area for conflict, and the buzz of concentrated human activity does as well, it supports population growth, which supports more tags, which supports better wildlife management, etc etc it's a beneficial cycle
13:35 It looks like my time that this was just put out 3 days ago and it sounds like Stephen.Manella is not aware that 399 is dead.She died like 2 or 3 months ago.She was hit by a car
Does anyone have any thoughts on using an air HORN as bear deterrent? I only ask because I have almost no experience with fire arms. And I’ve heard of people accidentally getting sprayed from their own bear spray.
Also, I live in the PNW and we would wear bells when we’d go out huckleberry picking so that we wouldn’t startle a bear. Or maybe we’re just a dinner bell lolll
25:30 Said he remember folks mi g off plane coming to Sportsmans warehouse and purchase an handgun for their hunt. Sorry liar but you cant purchase an handgun not being an resident of Alaska. So much misinformation.
On the topic of red Rider STEVE mentioned his son used to use two fingers to pull the trigger on his red rider. My son did the same exact thing he’s now 12 years old. He’s got eight deer to his credit hundreds of squirrels and still uses two fingers to pull the trigger for every gun he owns.
This guy and the wolf lady are two of the best guest I have heard.
I very much enjoyed Ramsey Russell. Amazing conservationist and conversationist. His podcast Duck Season Somewhere has really great guest as well
@@SnapBack123Russell lives about 20 minutes from me. He is a great guy!
She was awesome!!!!
@@SnapBack123 Ramsey lives about 20 minutes from me. He is such a great guy to talk to at all of the hunting shows around here.
Those 2 and the tribal rights episode are awesome
Probably one of my favorite meateater podcast episodes!
Loved this episode! Thanks for the slight shout out, Randall. 🍻
A great episode . The guest really knew his stuff on bears.😃
I love this dude and how he didn’t just go all in on guns.
That said, I think it’s relevant that he seemed to be comparing bear spray to a gun for untrained people.
That’s fair, and I agree. The average gun owner - even among people who consider themselves “gun guys” - shoot into trash a time or two a year on a flat, stationary range.
If it’s me, I’m going with both. Bear spray on one side and a Glock 20 on the other with an extra magazine. But I train weekly.
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Dusty you fuckin STUD! Hope you're doing well man! Core memories unlocked helping you guys move bears and set traps.
Thanks Dog!! Those were good times.
I love when yall talk bears. Also the song at the end of the podcast is great!
Did they mention the title of that song or the artist? I loved it but I can’t figure out who sang it!
Yeah really enjoied listening to Dusty! That kind of knowledge is really cool to hear!
Good apple tree conservation vs preservation analogy
Long time no see Dusty, great job man. Nice to see someone I know on my favorite podcast.
Great podcast! Thanks guys!
All the silly backpackers who go out unarmed need to hear these stories
On the topic of red Rider STEVE mentioned his son used to use two fingers to pull the trigger on his red rider. My son did the same exact thing he’s now 12 years old. He’s got eight deer to his credit hundreds of squirrels and still uses two fingers to pull the trigger for every gun he owns.
y'all are funny - thanks for asking about the bear spray or pistol - wasn't expecting that. seems like both would be best - spray first, pistol for if that doesn't work out, and have a 2nd can for later
It's going to be a pretty rare occasion that you have time for both.
Steve will have all his kids putting in for that grizz tag 😂
I spent a summer helping on a black bear study in college. We trapped them with ankle snares just as he describes. A big boar would have a 20 foot wide circle around the snare where everything within reach was shredded like a bulldozer came through. Sometimes they’d chew the tree the the trap was cabled to in half. We’re talking big trees chewed in half in a matter of hours. I can’t imagine what the trap site would look like catching grizzlies in an ankle snare. Man would I love to be a fly on the wall for a few weeks of trap checking
I should mention every bear we caught was released unharmed. Over 100 bears in a small area in a few months
@@ZGADOW I almost got into a wrestling match with a momma black bear on the way to my treestand one morning in Florida she rushed a me 3 different times from 3 different directions so fast I thought forsure I was gonna be the first Florida black bear fatality 😂
Thanks for sharing your experience 👍👍🙏
Steve, I’ve seen your swing. You might get mauled 😂
Love this podcast. Hello from northern NY
Ayo! Fellow Adirondack Park local here as well.
Hello back from another north country resident 😊
Great episode, thanks Meateater team!
Steve described this northern mi native perfectly today. I wouldn’t of been mad either way that question was answered
Todd Orr was charged and mauled (2x) in Montana and the bear ran through the pepper spray cloud.
I feel like he was a little off on the bear weight numbers. A kid in Louisiana just killed a 20 year old black bear at 490 pounds. Grizzlies are quite a bit bigger
I was wondering the same thing. I lived the better part of the last 20 years in northeast Louisiana where that bear was killed and there’s a bunch of big bears around there. It’s hard to imagine that Louisiana black bears are as big as grizzlies in the Yellowstone region.
Exceptional.
making me sound very green 🤣
I agree about carrying bear spray only where grizzlies exist with one exception, the area in WNC in and around Great Smoky Mountains National Park and adjoining areas along the Blue Ridge Parkway. There are fairly high numbers of bear/human encounters, and an abnormally high number of aggressive bear encounters.
If ya look at it from the bears perspective. They are just chasing off trespassers 😂😂😂
I can say without a doubt that I always carry in Pisgah and never will not. Just from that Hog in Transylvania in 2015 and that GIANT bear in Haywood a year or two ago. Both were around 700lbs lol
Good to know those r the two exceptions and everywhere else is safe
I wouldn’t take any grief over my backcountry protection from someone who’s been nearly attacked at least three times in close quarters by the Grizz and allowed himself to be ran over by a moose.. Bear spray is not just for bears, aggressive humans can be just as dangerous 😮
I live in E Washington, hunt, camp in this area. I have several game camera pictures of grizzly bears over several years. Boars, Sows with cubs, yesar after year. They are absolutely here in the Selkirk/Salmo areas. Yes that is very close to Idaho/BC.
As the Caribou goes, I have seen tracks, sent the pictures and an OnX pinto the Kalispell Tribe and Bart George and came back as positive for Caribou, so they may not be a population, but they are definitely moving in and out of that area.
Ok?
Can't sleep in soft tents in Cooke City behind these attacks. I've slept alone in "the ecosystem" hundreds of times and never had a problem 😇
@16:35 missed a key moment to say Bear Necessities 😢
Heard there's a family of wolverines on the trail in upper green river lakes in the winds
Something about that poster of crab in the back keeps tricking me into thinking it’s real. Like an upright case filled with crab that size lol. Very 3D looking to me.
Dusty is a beauty !
18:58 I thought when he was being interviewed by Steve that he said they told him. 399 was like 6 miles away. But yeah, I think her the way he was saying it, he felt it might have been her, but he also said before mentioning her that he told them he startled the Bear. He doesn't want them to destroy the Bear because it wasn't aboh. Her just randomly coming up to him. He startled her. It wouldn't have
1:12:09 ohhh, this made me sad.
I was only bummed to see the grizzly that maulled me, it was the first I ever saw and have seen lots since then.
Who sings the song at the end?
I'd also think it would awesome if grizzlies roamed the Bzn area! Used to be some up in cottonwood drainage back in the 80s. I assume they still use cottonwood and Hyalite drainages??!
I’ve never hunted bear of any species. It’s really heavy on the stupid side of life for the single strand hotwire protecting me from life and death!
But I’ve been trying to keep up with the Jaguars moving up into the sw US. Do you have any knowledge of this and if so what is your opinion on the effects of cohabitating with sheep herders and cattle ranchers?
CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT OUTRO SONG??? Cottontail Country is my new Favorite Ya’ll!! 🤩
Thanks man, I wrote that.
@ just subscribed!!! Keep it up ya badass!!!
The outro song sounds like Charles Wesley Godwin!
Great episode and song at the end, who is the artist?
That was me.
I think you mean sweet gum balls rather than sycamore.
You need to try to get Mark Bruscino on, the boss he mentioned in the interview. Would be awesome!
This guy lives in Seattle.
Im a new hunter. I hunt in Canada,. I always have a bear tag because when I harvest my Elk the dinner bell is rung. And when that black bear comes in on me I can at least defend my self if needed and I get my bear. I also have had Grizz walking in on my hunt. Which then I have chosen to go home. I dont fuck with Grizzly its a different animal compared to a Black Bear. I am probably a pyssy but if you came out with me and felt what it feels like to have a Grizzly walking in on you and your camp and you didnt care ? You are a stupider person then me . Since the ban on shooting Grizz in BC. We have systematically made it harder for all of the Ungulates and the hunters at the same time in the sake of protecting the Grizzly. I love Bears. I dont want to have to shoot them. But i DONT WANT THEM TO OUT NUMBER ME AND MY FRIENDS
I always thought it to be strange, watching western hunter walk around with an empty chamber. Here in Pennsylvania, we are always loaded. No need for dangerous game to have one in the pipe, your hunting.
Definitely carry bear spray. The 10mm is definitely not going anywhere
It only totals your car if you can afford a new one!!
For bears, it's a firearm.
We have many case studies now that show firearms are around 97+% effective against bear attacks, bear spray is seemingly less than 30% effective.
It appears the old Brigham Young study saying bear spray is better was erroneous and biased.
I will be carrying both if I’m in bear country.
Did the case studies make any distinction between/among those attacks on whether they are in bear area to hunt (and therefore more prepared with the gun) or just camping (may have a gun but not at the ready) and whether they are carrying both and either used the bear spray first, then gun or gun first then bear spray. I'd guess these will impact the dataset. If the old studies primarily looked at population encounters from campers or hikers then having a bear spray on hand will skew the data to it being more effective than both nothing and a gun (where hikers or campers rarely have their gun, if any, more accessible than the bear spray). If you look at hunters (not necessarily for bears but are in the same area), then the data will also skew towards gun being more effective because hunters would be more ready with a gun than with a bear spray. Also, an attack happening where some just realized the bear is standing next to them would also warrant the preference for bear spray over a rifle.
GIVE US CAL
Better safe than sorry with the wolverine.
Is it just me or is that giant crab picture to the left of Randall distracting 😂
i spent the first few minutes trying to figure out what i was looking at
@ it’s like directly in center frame whenever their guest is talking 😂
That was Christmas dinner this year for a change. Delicious
Like the outro song, but did dude literally steal the instrumental for The Bird Hunters?
Bear spray is definitely the gift that keeps giving,,, for a year down the road!!!
This was so great!
Imo this all comes down to land and sprawl. There's so much money flying in buying up huge plots of land, often just for temporary living! Classic tragedy of the commons. We'd all be better off if we, the humans, increased our density and lived in apartments and then shared more of the outdoors as public space, with each other and with wildlife. We've spent hundreds of years all trying to each get our own piece and it doesn't make sense. Do a federal land value tax on an annual basis, upzone the absolute centre of every travel node with single point access apartment blocks, and expand the boundaries of national parks. Dense human activity shrinks the surface area for conflict, and the buzz of concentrated human activity does as well, it supports population growth, which supports more tags, which supports better wildlife management, etc etc it's a beneficial cycle
People get so attached to a WILD animal and they completely forget to understand that Mother Nature is not this warm and cozy place.
13:35 It looks like my time that this was just put out 3 days ago and it sounds like Stephen.Manella is not aware that 399 is dead.She died like 2 or 3 months ago.She was hit by a car
Second. Va sending love
first. love yall from canada
Steve let’s go fishing you have never been to Oregon and have never got a steelhead
I had never heard of 399 until it died guess I live under a rock lol
Does anyone have any thoughts on using an air HORN as bear deterrent? I only ask because I have almost no experience with fire arms. And I’ve heard of people accidentally getting sprayed from their own bear spray.
Also, I live in the PNW and we would wear bells when we’d go out huckleberry picking so that we wouldn’t startle a bear. Or maybe we’re just a dinner bell lolll
I worked a grain spill on railroad track ,one side was Glacier Park, the use of propane cannon (for the very loud noise,) not a deterrent
@@jessegonzales9205 you’re saying it wasn’t an effective deterrent?
I feel Randall is a closet anti hunter. Need to see him shoot some big game to change my mind.
Hmm interesting.
25:30 Said he remember folks mi g off plane coming to Sportsmans warehouse and purchase an handgun for their hunt.
Sorry liar but you cant purchase an handgun not being an resident of Alaska. So much misinformation.
Not gun lovers, LIFE lovers. Smith and Wesson sprays better. But that is just me.
Can't believe he never had an episode where he shot one
Nope pistol
On the topic of red Rider STEVE mentioned his son used to use two fingers to pull the trigger on his red rider. My son did the same exact thing he’s now 12 years old. He’s got eight deer to his credit hundreds of squirrels and still uses two fingers to pull the trigger for every gun he owns.