I think they should allow all cheating bastards in one competition and the most elaborate grandiose ballbag wins based on creativity, dedication and know how, an artist in true bullshit, that is a winner.
Over 30 years fishing, over a decade lurefishing and you're right ive see loads come and go but i still love it more than ever thats what you call winning 😊 life time competition bans for anyone caught cheating
Very fair video guys and some great information of historic cheating i did not know. The point of view on sponsored anglers is probably accurate as well. Keep on voicing your opinions.
Great discussion and points well put, is it a bit of a coincidence that in the day this came out the tackle shop made a statement followed by the angler, it should of been the other way round, angler followed by tackle shop followed by you guys, keep up the good work
You’re right. My main memory from the big lerf weekender was fishing and bantering in the sunset on Weymouth pier with Charlie, (Bradley?) and Tristan and his kid Tyler. The prizes are long gone in snags but the fun and memories can never be taken away by a submerged log.
Aye was me. I'm much less of a competition angler than I am a social angler. Id rather make memories than results. But. . . I do also enjoy a competition here and there.
Good podcast , being a Old Skool Angler myself I remember the blade of grass on the pikes tail in the Angling papers at the time . He had the same name as a very well known pike angling author of that era if I remember right , which the press had to point out was not the same person .
As you know Andy... I hate cheating and cheats. Cheats should be banned for life from tournaments no question, they rarely do it once, they are usually serial offenders. As Charlie said the only way to do this with a rolling measure is to show the top edge of the measure in the photo. Will only work with the wider measures unless it's a wasp fest.
Hi Dave…yes I agree, there needs to be a serious consequence…. As for the measure….there are lots of good ideas. Sadly whatever the method used there will always be someone who will try & find a way around being honest… For me this is the bigger picture…it’s only fishing. If you’re not good enough to compete fairly…compete but know your limitations & get better 🤷🏻♂️ Thank you for your comment…see you soon
Never understood the desperation to be sponsored or endorsed by a brand i go fishing for the pure love of it these days people thrive on Internet appreciation i dont even post what i catch because i couldn't care less what people think i go fishing to please myself
I don’t understand this, as someone that enjoys angling for the passion. I couldn’t imagine going out your way to cheat just for self gratification. I can get the American tournaments for bass with major prizes, although it’s still not alright or better because the prize is greater. Imagine being so smug you have to pretend your fish is bigger than what it actually was. Such a shallow ego lol
Feel sorry for the organizer such a shit show im glad i buy from tom n not pred tackle took them far to long to say something and even when they did wasnt anything innthe wrods they chose to say
Great you’ve covered this topic but not naming the individual perhaps suggests that those who have, have acted unreasonably. Even the organiser didn’t but thankfully a disgruntled competitor did. If it wasn’t for them, and the embarrassingly small number of people who showed their support, this may well have been swept under the carpet, and you wouldn’t have a vid to make. It also suggests to cheats that it might be worth the risk. If we all rely on someone else to have the courage to blow the whistle, it might never happen. Well done for acknowledging the extremely important part of this sad story. The damage of influencers and false belief in sponsor validation. That’s precisely why this recent issue has irked me so much.
Thank you…we were dammed if we did & damned if we didn’t in regards to naming etc This whole scenario has affected a great many people. Let’s hope over the next few weeks we all learn from it & our sport can get back to normality. 🙏
@@FenlandFishingTV I hear you and thought the same. Threw caution to the wind but now feel like I fit the narrative of ‘few sad individuals vying for blood’ that I’ve seem since. Would be much easier if everyone was more united about it. As you said in your podcast (which was very interesting btw), things won’t return to normal. Hearing Tom say that he wouldn’t now run a competition for example. And may think twice before even supporting one with a few prizes. Like you, I go for the crack, the social and the experience. I rarely win anything and it can sometimes be an expensive treat just to unwind with like minded anglers, many of who I now regard as friends. Having to share a table or pint wjth someone who’s there to cheat everyone puts me off competing, too.
The entry fees are huge in USA bass comps it’s like professional gambling. The sponsorship dollar has changed it used to be the best anglers got the backing from the sponsors now it’s the anglers that have the biggest social media following that are getting the deals. A lot of the newer pros are really finding it hard to get sponsored from results alone and they have to find their own boat, electronics travel etc. it’s been a big debate on a lot of the USA bass podcasts this off season. Social media is the key to anglers success in backing by big sponsors so it is understandable that done fellows are tempted by the pressure to make themselves look better than they are to keep the following and therefore the sponsors happy.
Good idea but would be a nightmare for organisers…can you imagine the footage that would need viewing. I have a Great idea!!! Just play fair 🤷🏻♂️ Thank for comment Brian 🙏
Not an expert but does the lens of an iPhone skew the use of validation tool you used? Would think the further from the midline of photo, the more condensed things may be perceived. I also agree with Tom’s comments - comp fees should ideally include the cost of a board, would think sponsors like Reuben Heaton would be interested. At some point though, trust and validation tools needs to come into play as otherwise we’d all end up with 10’s of measures!
Hi Sam No the phone does not skew. As long as lips of fish are against bunp board & tail is touching the measure then there is no issue. Would you believe I was in a comp last week where some of the Reuben Hearin measures were actually out!! Not by much but a few mm. So it’s an area that is difficult to administer with all competitors being totally honest. The answer is everyone just needs to for the sake of the competition be honest 🤷🏻♂️. Simple really
People avoiding naming him is ridiculous. If we’re trying to build something similar to the American model then once cheats are caught they should be thoroughly outed. The guy is back posting fishing content on Instagram as if nothing happened. I’d be far to embarrassed to be seen with a rod in my hand again.
I think this is all very interesting and honourable, but you all know who it was and many of us don’t. By now the truth should be out. If he has a channel I’m subscribed to, I’d want to know. I just hope it is none of those I follow religiously, I’d feel betrayed. I fish purely for pleasure - the competition is my own ability. Currently, I’m 3-nil up😂👍
I think they should allow all cheating bastards in one competition and the most elaborate grandiose ballbag wins based on creativity, dedication and know how, an artist in true bullshit, that is a winner.
Now that’s an idea 😳
Your comment did make me laugh out loud 🤣
Over 30 years fishing, over a decade lurefishing and you're right ive see loads come and go but i still love it more than ever thats what you call winning 😊 life time competition bans for anyone caught cheating
Thank you for your comment
Very fair video guys and some great information of historic cheating i did not know. The point of view on sponsored anglers is probably accurate as well. Keep on voicing your opinions.
Thank you 🙏
Great discussion and points well put, is it a bit of a coincidence that in the day this came out the tackle shop made a statement followed by the angler, it should of been the other way round, angler followed by tackle shop followed by you guys, keep up the good work
We can only control what we are in control of…thank you as always Paul for your support 🙏
You’re right. My main memory from the big lerf weekender was fishing and bantering in the sunset on Weymouth pier with Charlie, (Bradley?) and Tristan and his kid Tyler. The prizes are long gone in snags but the fun and memories can never be taken away by a submerged log.
Aye was me. I'm much less of a competition angler than I am a social angler. Id rather make memories than results. But. . . I do also enjoy a competition here and there.
Thank you for your comment 🙏
100% this is an ego thing as the competition entered was an open entry without huge prizes. Crazy
Who knows?…you could be correct 🤷🏻♂️
You have to admit the evidence against the individual is very dammin, cheating has no place in any sport.
Sadly…yes…thank you for your comment 🙏
Good podcast , being a Old Skool Angler myself I remember the blade of grass on the pikes tail in the Angling papers at the time . He had the same name as a very well known pike angling author of that era if I remember right , which the press had to point out was not the same person .
You got it….😉
As you know Andy... I hate cheating and cheats. Cheats should be banned for life from tournaments no question, they rarely do it once, they are usually serial offenders. As Charlie said the only way to do this with a rolling measure is to show the top edge of the measure in the photo. Will only work with the wider measures unless it's a wasp fest.
Hi Dave…yes I agree, there needs to be a serious consequence….
As for the measure….there are lots of good ideas. Sadly whatever the method used there will always be someone who will try & find a way around being honest…
For me this is the bigger picture…it’s only fishing. If you’re not good enough to compete fairly…compete but know your limitations & get better 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you for your comment…see you soon
Never understood the desperation to be sponsored or endorsed by a brand i go fishing for the pure love of it these days people thrive on Internet appreciation i dont even post what i catch because i couldn't care less what people think i go fishing to please myself
For the love of the sport buddy ❤️
I don’t understand this, as someone that enjoys angling for the passion. I couldn’t imagine going out your way to cheat just for self gratification. I can get the American tournaments for bass with major prizes, although it’s still not alright or better because the prize is greater. Imagine being so smug you have to pretend your fish is bigger than what it actually was. Such a shallow ego lol
We shall never know what truly drives people to do such things 🤷🏻♂️
@@FenlandFishingTV worst part was it was still a cracking perch that I would have been over the moon with.
Feel sorry for the organizer such a shit show im glad i buy from tom n not pred tackle took them far to long to say something and even when they did wasnt anything innthe wrods they chose to say
or the lure box
Great you’ve covered this topic but not naming the individual perhaps suggests that those who have, have acted unreasonably. Even the organiser didn’t but thankfully a disgruntled competitor did. If it wasn’t for them, and the embarrassingly small number of people who showed their support, this may well have been swept under the carpet, and you wouldn’t have a vid to make. It also suggests to cheats that it might be worth the risk. If we all rely on someone else to have the courage to blow the whistle, it might never happen. Well done for acknowledging the extremely important part of this sad story. The damage of influencers and false belief in sponsor validation. That’s precisely why this recent issue has irked me so much.
Thank you…we were dammed if we did & damned if we didn’t in regards to naming etc
This whole scenario has affected a great many people.
Let’s hope over the next few weeks we all learn from it & our sport can get back to normality.
🙏
@@FenlandFishingTV I hear you and thought the same. Threw caution to the wind but now feel like I fit the narrative of ‘few sad individuals vying for blood’ that I’ve seem since. Would be much easier if everyone was more united about it. As you said in your podcast (which was very interesting btw), things won’t return to normal. Hearing Tom say that he wouldn’t now run a competition for example. And may think twice before even supporting one with a few prizes. Like you, I go for the crack, the social and the experience. I rarely win anything and it can sometimes be an expensive treat just to unwind with like minded anglers, many of who I now regard as friends. Having to share a table or pint wjth someone who’s there to cheat everyone puts me off competing, too.
First of all,i like your podcast style.Watched with pleasure.
🙏
hello tom i told you the legend of the grass on the pike will never die and as for the measuring cheating thing id never dabble in it
Yup 🙏
That you did!
A difficult subject well covered. Well done for discussing this issue.
Thank you 🙏
The entry fees are huge in USA bass comps it’s like professional gambling. The sponsorship dollar has changed it used to be the best anglers got the backing from the sponsors now it’s the anglers that have the biggest social media following that are getting the deals. A lot of the newer pros are really finding it hard to get sponsored from results alone and they have to find their own boat, electronics travel etc. it’s been a big debate on a lot of the USA bass podcasts this off season. Social media is the key to anglers success in backing by big sponsors so it is understandable that done fellows are tempted by the pressure to make themselves look better than they are to keep the following and therefore the sponsors happy.
Fair comment 🙏🙏
The US market is so big a lot of the lure brands there almost view our UK market as insignificant.
One solution but it would mean extra expense for competitors is to insist on pov video from cast to capture / measure.
Good idea but would be a nightmare for organisers…can you imagine the footage that would need viewing.
I have a Great idea!!! Just play fair 🤷🏻♂️
Thank for comment Brian 🙏
Not an expert but does the lens of an iPhone skew the use of validation tool you used? Would think the further from the midline of photo, the more condensed things may be perceived. I also agree with Tom’s comments - comp fees should ideally include the cost of a board, would think sponsors like Reuben Heaton would be interested. At some point though, trust and validation tools needs to come into play as otherwise we’d all end up with 10’s of measures!
Hi Sam
No the phone does not skew. As long as lips of fish are against bunp board & tail is touching the measure then there is no issue.
Would you believe I was in a comp last week where some of the Reuben Hearin measures were actually out!! Not by much but a few mm.
So it’s an area that is difficult to administer with all competitors being totally honest.
The answer is everyone just needs to for the sake of the competition be honest 🤷🏻♂️.
Simple really
diluted. He should say he cheated because he relly wanted to win. He will be not the first one. Admit and beg for mercy as if not u will be done.
Yup…very true
Sensible coverage of the topic guys weldone! When can i get a feature on the show 😊
Thankyou 🙏 & anytime….its £1000 a guest 🤣🤣
@FenlandFishingTV When can I book in 🤣
People avoiding naming him is ridiculous. If we’re trying to build something similar to the American model then once cheats are caught they should be thoroughly outed. The guy is back posting fishing content on Instagram as if nothing happened. I’d be far to embarrassed to be seen with a rod in my hand again.
I understand & agree…we have to be a little PC in this strange world we live in 🤷🏻♂️
I do get your point 💯 tho 👍🏼🙏
Why you need to cheat when you fish lakes rammed with fish? 😂
Why cheat at anything in life?
Is it cheating when lure anglers use fluorocarbon traces instead of steel traces on waters that ban fluorocarbon traces on there waters?
Waters that do that need to get a grip
I think this is all very interesting and honourable, but you all know who it was and many of us don’t. By now the truth should be out. If he has a channel I’m subscribed to, I’d want to know. I just hope it is none of those I follow religiously, I’d feel betrayed. I fish purely for pleasure - the competition is my own ability. Currently, I’m 3-nil up😂👍
Im not going to name him…that’s up for others to do, if they feel it necessary…the guy in question does not have a TH-cam channel. Hope this helps?
I ask a simple question,
the truth is all I wish.
Are all fishermen liars,
or do all the liars fish?
🤷🏻♂️