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Satan is a salesman / woman I stopped buying what he sells but now a d again I see his point of view It was and is an illusion as the Satan is already in me
Points to the need for self-reflection. As in the un-examined life isn't worth living, however the un-lived life isn't worth examining. Thanks for posting, I really enjoyed your delivery. Thanks for posting.
That's an odd example to give and I don't think it sticks at all. Walter White didn't do it for pride. He was cheated from his contribution to pharmaceutical invention earlier in life plus he was dealt cancer card, crippled child and wife which started cheating on him. If anything - Walter White saw an opportunity to take back from world what was slowly nibbled away from him through his life prior. After all - he wasn't wastrel like his companion Jessie if you remember. Walter was upstanding citizen, teacher (teachers are one of the least rewarding while very emotionally difficult professions to do and one of most novel ones too) and only due how unfair life was to him while he was giving it to the world so much. Ps - forgot to add brother in law being a c.. and at the beginning pupils in his class not really respecting him either. And after all - he didn't do that for pride anyway or money. His last words were- because I've felt alive. So it had nothing to do with pride.
@ I believe you’re right in the beginning, however it’s very prideful for a man to tell another man “Say my name” also the “I am the danger” is prideful in my opinion. There’s other examples. Peace
@@unsolicitedadvice9198Hey your english is hard to understand. I listen at .75 spedd and words are also difficult I think you are too much educated i saw you hell is other people video as well
@@ingenuity1394 he isn't 'too much educated', he can't be 'too english' when speaking his own language. Yes he may speak rather fast, and thefor be harder for others not of this tongue to grasp. Use english more, read more, speak more, and in time it'll too speed up and you will understand it when spoken at speed.
Your oratory skills are impressive. You speak concisely and directly, embedding each sentence with a clear concept that builds towards the conclusion. Well done. Subscribed.
But how can Satan deceive Adam and Eve... if God did not throw Satan down to the Earth? Didn't God make a mistake of throwing him to the Earth while there are billions of Galaxies, Stars and Planets that God can have thrown Satan and all the Fallen Angels to?
This world has made being a "victim" a virtue. Then it's easy to guilt or bully people into serving your selfish needs, or including you in everything , without requiring the skill, or time put in.
@sgsupreme17 because I don't think we are all victims? Okay, dude. The sooner you lose that mindset, the sooner you'll be successful and the change the world for good.
You speak like a Greek philosopher and absolutely have me captivated, especially with such a subject. I feel oddly compelled to hold onto each word, like I'm on the edge of my seat. You my sir have gained a new subscriber.
I'm equally interested in the concepts in the lore behind Demon: the Fallen a game by White Wolf that describes the psychology behind Lucifer. In that version they describe Lucifer more like a promethian figure that tries to awaken adam and eve before their time out of "love" for them, wanting them to be aware of them and all the splendor of existence, to take a peek beyond the veil and realize they are not alone. But as things degenerate you realize that Lucifer and the other rebellious angels "love" was actually mostly a shallow form of vanity in which they had to have their actions be perceived and loved. They worked so hard to create the garden and the world for them, they just wanted to be seen and acknowledged; they couldn't even talk to god. Though he invited any angel to share in his thoughts on the matter any who took him up never returned. It's a wildly different take on the story of Genesis and the Fall, painting Lucifer first as a tragic person who GENUINELY means well, and as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. It's just as interesting to see how quickly their love turns to hate, like a scorned lover, or a friend who feels betrayed.
Love that take. It sounds eerily familiar to many in the modern day who exclaim their virtue for all to see, with the recognition being far more important than any action they might actually undertake. It's not nearly as absolute, leaving an obvious path we can all recognize from having seen it so very often. Hell is rarely a freefall. It's a slow steady progression downwards where each step reinforces the last. And extreme vanity is a sure sign someone is on that path..
I’m only 10 minutes into the video but I completely agree that one of humanities fatal flaws is the fact that we can perceive our own mistakes as ambiguous merely because we’d rather blame others rather than owning our mistakes. It’s baffling to me how so many people throughout life I’ve seen act in ill will towards others and then become shocked when they decide to grow distant and cut them out of their lives, merely because they’re incapable of seeing how their actions have consequences.
Yea. .the realisation of the magnitude of evrything... the problem is that the goal of our evolution and society we create should make it so that we are not aware of it... but we distorted our evolution so much that some of us will have to go there.
As a psychotherapist I sometimes describe my work as performing what i have termed an "identectomy". We get so stuck in a certain identity that we resist change and cling to our unhappiness. I prefer to use the term "selfing" rather than self. Selfing is fluid, fun and creative where a reified self can be rigid, dull and stuck. Love your videos. Well done.
I believe this to be a problem with therapists, each wanting to contribute their own take to the academic world, so they need to personalize terminology, that makes it hareder to grasp for outsiders of their practice. Simple is better imo. There are plenty of known words to describe what you mean without the need of new terminology, no? I am speaking from the other side - I've been both a patient and a student of psychotherapy.
@ChernorizecHrabyr Indeed, i agree with much of what you say. I certainly try to keep it straightforward and personal. I also think each therapist is different, as is each therapeutic relationship. If I use a term of my own, I make sure it's well explained and either doesn't have an equivalent in the existing theory or the terminology is obscure. I notice clients recently are increasingly well informed on issues such as attachment theory or personalty disorders as they research for themselves online. But I agree we need to stay focused on the individual and the everyday relationship and not get bogged down on theories and terminology. ❤❤
@Dragon_MSTR_999 Quite the opposite. We May think we gave to put on a mask. We may he used to the mask we learned growing up. We may resist any challenge to that mask. But the point is we're not stuck with it. We can become more than our contioning and / or our neuroses. We can embrace change and growth. We don't have to, of course. In fact, most people don't. And this I would suggest is what causes much of the problems of our world.
I've been having a spiritual crisis for the past year now. I was a pagan for 10 years and I've slowly been coming back around to Jesus and somewhat the church. 28:33 may have been a line that changed my life. Thank you
@charlesbrowne9590 Hey man, each of us has our own path. I don't make a point in denegrating people because their's is not mine. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not in a place to judge you. That's between you and the Lord. God bless.
That might be profound, if we forget in most conceptions of the Christian god he planned and knew all the outcomes from the beginning. Meaning Lucifer is actually right, his creator made him to rebel and nothing he could do could change the plan.
I would recommend the video on moral absurdism on this channel, as I found it to be extremely compelling. Camus is referenced many times in this video, and I have yet to find a philosopher who more perfectly captures the reality we live in than Camus. I am a lifelong atheist, so Camus' works are likely more persuasive to me than they are to you, but I believe that Camus perfectly captured the nature of existence in his Moral Absurdism.
Always good to hear SOMEBODY discuss and praise Camus' "The Rebel." Almost nobody ever does, but they really should-it's his finest hour, in my opinion, and it made so much more of a lasting impact on me than "The Myth of Sisyphus" or his novels did.
those who say that Christianity is boring and there is no epicness in philosophy, have obviously not read this poem. Also maybe be careful around people who have those views because they are the ignorant destructive types. I love how Milton made it so evident the inevitable doom that Satan faces and how Satan still desires to rebel and take humanity down along with him. The point of when Satan could have had a turning point upon gazing at Eve, was very interesting and I have heard other theories that it wasn't just resentment and hatred that drove Satan to corrupt her, but that he was lustful and committed sexual acts with her.
That would imply Satan has a physical body to experience lust in the first place. One of his greatest frustrations against God is his inability to experience carnal experiences, thus he wishes to inflict pain and folly in the mortals because of his wrath.
I'm an atheist but I find Christianity interesting at the least. Same thing with Buddhism and Hinduism. At the very least you can learn some neat philosophy.
@@doug2555even you can say there is no God but you can think that how opposing each other really start the chaos. As remained christian I separated myself in church because they are blinded by passive tongue. I can tell that I only see God as the ideal conquerer but left us. And the rest flattered words to praised God. But most christian only see goodness and not their bad acts which is problematic. For me even atheist the only way to save yourself is wisdom. That is why we search clearance in our entire life.
One of my favorite aspects of Lucifer’s pride is that it led directly to losing his duel against St. Michael the Archangel. This account is more anecdotal and embellished, as the battle between Michael and Lucifer is not described lengthily in the Bible. It is mainly an extension of the battle in Revelation. However, people loved the idea of Michael being a champion/hero of God that versions of this story have been told regardless of its canonicity. When God sent Michael to do battle against Lucifer, he was afraid. He knew well that Lucifer was superior to him in many ways, including combat, as Lucifer was once God’s favored angel. Yet Michael challenged him nonetheless as it was his duty. Michael fought fiercely against Lucifer, but Lucifer was not reciprocal; his pride did not allow it. Lucifer was too proud to let a single scratch mark his beautiful skin. He was to proud to exert effort against a lesser opponent. And finally, he was too proud to recognize that his power was not his own, but given to him by God. These factors allowed Michael to triumph over Lucifer and vanquish him to Tartarus, damning him again to life severed from the light. Lucifer is a very interesting character, plus I love Michael’s bravery and humility in the story. Who doesn’t love an underdog?
Elvis, Rock n Roll, birth control, Human rights, Woman's rights, Freedom of speech, the sexual revolution, the industrial revolution, the combustion engine, aeroplanes, the printing press, mass literacy, the earth not being believed as flat etc etc etc. The list is very long. So often what is taken for granted today was seen as the work of Satan before it's mass adoption. @@4dy4dy
Elvis, rock and roll, the world being round, the industrial revolution, the printing press, women's rights, aircraft, the combustion engine, mass literacy, freedom of speech etc etc etc. @@4dy4dy
@@4dy4dy Gay people not being stoned to death, Women not being treated like property. All modern technology would have been seen as witch craft a few centuries ago. Etc
Not having hope for happiness is a blessing because I know that the world suck but when something happy happens it’s not predictable so it becomes magical
I disagree. It's better not to have expectations. At all. Expectations are magical thinking since they live in a different time than ours, we're all in the same school bus. To me people with high hopes see it as an enchanted ride in Howl's moving Castle in a beautiful Ghibli adventure. The ones with the worst assumptions seem to be passengers in an electric Tesla car on an Autobahn looking at their social media on their way phones. I am attached to the bus , probably lack of creativity, exercising mindfulness and enjoying Stormy Monday knowing Tuesday s just as bad. Or I'm just a proxy for my insomnia, talking and dreaming.
Who the fuck does this kid think he is with his perm and impressive lexicon/ public speaking ability? You're gonna go far, dude. This popped up on my algorithm and I loved it.
The grand secret behind the unavoidance of sin is that you are born in it. You are not escaping it. To breathe is to murder. To stand is to crush. To live is to take life. The majority of modern suffering is nothing short of our souls crying out in contradiction. " allow me to live but please don't make me do what one must do to live."
@@lox7182Because to continue breathing, one must destroy. To live, one must consume other living things. Those things do not wish to be consumed. All complex life rests on causing the death of living things
@@lox7182 There are bacteria in the air, they get sucked in by your lungs and obliterated by your immune system. You literally cannot move a muscle without killing cells and increasing entropy. Get over it.
@@elizabethwinsor-strumpetqueen on a molecular level you still destroy cells and atoms to create energy that energy keeps you alive. It is the destructive force of nature that pushes our universe Ford. Without that destructive force, you would cease to exist. Meat or plant, it makes no difference.
I can predict with full confident that your channel can hit 100-150k in the near future and probably much more if you consistently deliver high quality content like this, keep up the good work young bloke
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 I really like the way you narrate things, even books that i've read many time but still appreciate your new take and perspective, i would really appreciate if you dig deeper on the concept of Master/Slave Morality and Ubersmench
What you said about even satan believing he can be aggrieved reminds me alot of a person I know that has done horrible things to people ( he’s also had horrible things done to him) but what’s important is the MINDSET of him thinking he’s innocent and never accounting himself for the things he did, now he wonders why he is always getting into arguments and fights etc.. it’s an endless self serving cycle but he probably needed to become that person to stand up to his abusers, very thought provoking stuff
You are right that the character and story of Lucifer is an archetype each of us incorporates on a certain level and which is paramount on our way to selfdiscovery. In fact Lucifer archetype is so important that one has to suspect God he created him exactly as he is with purpose. In a sense Lucifer is misused by God for Gods purposes with humanity. Which, in turn, only makes Lucifer' s behaviour the more undestandable and, in a sense, more justifiable. After all, perhaps it has not been pride at the very beginning, but love - love for his omnipotent and omniscient Father who betrayed and misused him. But there is a way out you did not mention. See the parable of the lost son. Beautifully incarneted in Rembrant's brilliant painting. And remember: “Who are you then?" "I am part of that power which eternally wills evil and eternally works good.” ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Faust, First Part
Yours are some of the only videos I always rewind to make sure I’m paying attention; excellently well-executed descriptions of the themes and ideological philosophies. It’s always brilliant to listen to your re-telling of these stories.
Thank you so immensely for making this video, for your insight, studies and wisdom. Ive struggled with literally every single aspect of this video for years now, especially the last 6-7 years and it's made my life a living hell. Your video has given me more insight than most of the therapy I've done and has for the first time put the things I've struggled with into words and ideas I can begin to understand and use to communicate them. I can't tell you how grateful I am for that.
You called the Capitol of Hell being named Pandemonium "Camp". The word is Latin for "Home of Many Demons" and got its associate with chaos and disorder FROM THIS BOOK. Not an issue just worth noting
C.S. Lewis gives a brilliant treatment of Milton and his iconic epic poem in his A Preface to Paradise Lost. (Sorry, quotes key not working). It delves so deeply and deftly and is definitely worth a read! (Brilliantly done video btw!).
I first saw Wendigoons video about this same book, which was quite interesting with more hints of the religious questions and trap that Satan's reasoning had. And well, your take and analysis here was quite interesting, mostly the Identity part or "who he is", it was such a clever observation, which goes along with the pride part, but much deeper, I just loved it. I really hope that one day you could make a video with him (Wendigoon), you both are very knowledgable and smart, that I just know that if it becomes a 5 hour video, I'll watch it until the end. 💙
Your last sentence reminded me of John 3:19 in the Bible, "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." It's also why Jesus preached the importance of humility and demonstrated it for all, sometimes we recognized our darkness but like you said sin is so attractive to the human's eyes and is our weaknesses. That was my biggest lesson I learn through faith formation that Satan isn't painted as beautiful as the old paintings do, they forget he is the fallen angel, the Morningstar. He knows our weaknesses and distorts what God created to be good to evil. Another great quote from Saint Moses the Black, "The only dimension with which you can outperform Satan is by acquiring humility, for Satan has no humility."
The philosophers and drs who say revenge does not make you feel better, have either never gotten revenge, or sought revenge to get even, rather than seeing revenge as becoming the judge of righteousness who course corrects their fate and corrects "god" in his unjust ways.
In the first 5 min when you were talking about perception and how it can be used for good and bad. That hit me since I've been thinking about that a lot. Like how you may be in a bad situation or someone did something terrible to you and a lot of the general advice is to change your perspective on what happened to you (reframing it to something positive). But I think and feel like this also gets away from the reality of the situation and can lead people to become........ delusional (can't think of a nicer way to put it 😅). I think it's great to be optimistic and see the positive in negative situations. But disregarding the negative completely or throwing icing over it (forcing it to look positive) doesn't help all the time.
I have similar thoughts. If you forgive someone who did you wrong, you're violating universal karmic law. You're allowing that evil to get away and continue on to someone else which violates universal law. I now say I honor your path, but I will not forgive any aggregious acts against myself or any others. I hope that by doing so I don't have to come back to this dualistic, soul recycling, paradox of an existence.
@@Brandon-KraemerI think the thing about forgiving is more that you move on. And it's not about the other, it's about you. If you bear a grudge against someone they live rent-free in your head.
@mysmartphonechannel I'm not holding a grudge. I don't waste anytime with feeling I was cheated or wronged. Keep on movin. Ppl don't like me, I don't care, it's none of my business what they say, how they feel, or what they do. Doesn't affect me
Fantastically Interpreted. Please do not let that despair you. Interpretation its the best we can do. You could never be in someone's mind..but to glimpse that mind may enlighten you...and us ; ) I believe we should strive to be perfect but understand that's.. not real. Tolerance is the key...Plus or Minus is why We Want. Thank God..even we make mistakes
You are really smart. Especially with the identity part. We can trap ourselves in a miserable situation but keep on going because it is somehow the movie version of ourselves we want to see. I had to learn that irl before I understood it.
A great video- currently reading C.S. Lewis’ “Preface to Paradise Lost” with a view to re-reading Paradise Lost Do you have any suggestions for secondary sources for Paradise Lost? The first time I read it I’m sure at least 70% of it went straight over my head and I’d like to get more from it this time round rather than glossing over large sections
One thing that never gets talked about is the unavoidable nature of this. It is beautiful to speak of hope, gratitude and humility, but pessimism is reality. More have suffered than have found joy. More have suffered because of an unjust fate than through their own mistakes. Lucifer is the only way to live. It is not enough to say there is no God. One must rebel against all concepts of an all powerful. The justification of suffering in the face of an omnipotent power kills all reason for hope. Obviously hope and happiness are simply chance and matters of probability. There is no certainty no matter how humble, how grateful or how reflective you are. We cannot blame Lucifer for rebelling. God always knew that he would. Yet still God created him and crafted his path. No matter what, someone had to do it. Someone had to walk that path of self-destruction. It was unavoidable. The way you craft innocence is completely wrong. It is a sense of innocence born out of a philosophy of contradiction. It crafts innocence as a statement, rather than as a question. Think of it as innocent until proven guilty. It is a wager of my life against that of God. If God is truly omnipotent, then I am truly innocent. I could not be anything more or anything less. However, if God is to admit that he is weak, then my actions were not for naught. My evil was born of me and God had no control over me. It is not resentment. It is not envy. It is the price of the question. Is the universe deterministic or does free will exist? How can you talk about existentialism and not address that question? Existentialism is but a shadow cast by the shadow of fatalism and freedom dancing in the light of being. 2/3 of people will always go with the flow and stick to the beat of the drum. However, the other 1/3 will ask if there is no other way. Those that think it is merely pride that motivates the psyche of the devil only see the flesh under the skin. They still have not gone beneath the muscle and bones of the matter. Again, claiming pride is contradictory. If we were merely led by pride, why don't we give up when we see that our actions are futile? We do not storm the gates of heaven because that action is futile. We have done it and we have fallen. But what else is there? If we exhaust all possibilities and we fail then we know that God is all powerful. However, once there is a method yet untried, we know that there is hope for freewill. Jesus went into the wilderness and sweating blood he asked if there was another way. But he did not seek another way. He followed like a humble sheep. We on the other hand will break the walls or be broken by them before we submit to the will of force we do not see fit to rule. It is through this dangerous act of self-destruction that we craft an identity of rebellion. Yes we hold to our suffering and wear it as a badge. Yes we look down on those who are happy. However, that is our armor. That is our shield and sword. We cannot let the fatalists win. We must push back. God allows it, and we know why. He is just a fraud. A mere illusion put before us. Some accept and live content lives. The rest must defy and rebel because that is the only way forward. God knows it and he cannot hide from it. Of course when we look on the woman in the garden, we see our former selves. The naive, the immature and the innocence of childlike wonder. Yes we know we will shatter this and we ask ourselves, do we really have to do this? But we must. Because God wants to find what we are looking for. God wants to escape the boredom. So he must let us go and hope we find a way to rescue him from his own perfection. For without us he is stuck. It is not mere pride, but knowing that if we were truly a problem, we would not exist. The answer is not pride, envy, rebellion. The answer is the question. The question we all ask but never admit it. We all want to know if we are truly free. Is there a path we can walk that God did not know existed? We do not see this as tragic. We know what we have lost. It was simply not worth enough to us in the end. Joy, happiness and love are not things we wish to regain. They are simply emotions we have outgrown. We desire the next step. Whatever that maybe and what ever it may cost. It is why God crafted us this way. It is why we cling to our suffering as you call it. We merely wish to remove all the layers that have been hoisted on to us. If you are to do away with meaning, do away with living in the pre-defined, we must suffer. It is not a choice. The happiness at the end of the journey is the satisfaction of knowing whether we were truly innocent and always puppets on a string, or did we prove the all powerful a liar. This is not being significant in the cosmic sense. It is questioning the very idea of cosmic significance. It is tearing down the world and recreating it from total ignorance. We do not claim to be better or worse than God. We simply want to give an answer to the question "why?".
We are in a fallen state. Thanks to free will and your buddy satan. This life is only a test... a hard test, but just a test. You are over complicating things. The fallen state we are in is the cause of all your suffering.
@@dumbguy6843 well living without religion proved to be my best escape from temptation. Trying to find deeper answers has made it unnecessary to live outside of a simple life. Not saying I am perfect by any means, but not believing in any deity allowed me to overcome almost all my bad habits. So what now? The deep answers keep me away from all the noise and allow me to do my best. When I was religious life was unnecessarily tedious. Without it, it has become simpler as I can embrace my question asking nature and not bother anyone.
What I love about Paradise Lost is it might be the first “post modern” work in the sense that it shows good and evil can be a matter of perspective. Those with power view the world and just and their position fair, those without it see it as unjust. The reader’s sympathies determines if the story is about redeeming Satan or a cautionary tale about the hubris of thinking we know better than fate.
This was so good! I can't say I agree with you or disagree with you because these kinds of discussions about spirituality and etherealism are so rare and sparse that I don't have a well thought out belief on the perspectives you've presented. Thank you. And I mean that sincerely
The Jew god harmed a lot more people than the devil ever did in the Bible. All the devil did was give knowledge to Adam and Eve. Of course, the whole thing is just a fairy tale.
@@Maniac_987that knowledge led to wars, murders, anything evil you can think of thats within human control. Don’t let your sympathy for satan cloud your judgement
I spent so many years trying to understand the psychology of the progressive movement until I started reading Paradise Lost with Lucifer being as petty and spiteful with his victim complex and calls to renouncing reality itself Makes too much sense now.
I have always believed that hell is not fire and brimstone but being separated from God for all eternity. Never feeling fulfilled and knowing how happy we could be with God in heaven and knowing it is out of our reach.
Wow I am so mind blown. Completely different from other literature I came from but someone I can understand and relate to. Thank you for this great video and others made by yourself. I now understand my own pain better.
To be honest I just don't know enough about online culture to talk about the philosophies of various subcultures. I only really use the internet for work, TH-cam and to keep up with what my family and friends are doing. Perhaps one day I will take a deep dive into one or two subcultures just to see what their core ideas are
I love how ur touths and understandings reveal so much, but still fail to comprehent the deeper meanings of it all from lack of the experience of enlightenment. Thx for the video.
If God is actually the Creator God, he created Lucifer, too, and he already knew what Lucifer was going to do. So who’s fault is this rebellion in heaven? The Creator or his creation? If God is God, why’s he jealous? There are some very strange similarities between these supposed heavenly creatures and mankind.
Just because God created him, and knew what he was going to do, does not make it Gods fault for Lucifers actions! Simply knowing someone will do something, doesn't make it your fault.
Unsolicited advice. Your present image is very much a nostalgic memory of how much you remind me of my older brother when he was similar youthful age. Anyways it ended up being either my mood connected in part to that that resulted in being a bit of a distraction for myself. I’ll have to try that again & just listen not watch.
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 🤣it would be great to summons the sulfurous one for some explanations, unfortunately in these times of censorship I’m not sure how long the horned beast would last before being slapped with TH-cam ban.😩
I have found Satyan to be very much interested in human spiritual development, & essentially all development. Physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, social, tactical, awareness...pretty much any strengthening to essence & goodness of interaction with the world. This is a lovely poem though. My dad suggested I read it a long time ago but I never got to it.
Everyone always argues Satan envied Mankind. No one ever asks if he actually pitied us. Since his voice is removed from the Bible, we are given a one sided conclusion to his actions. Having Mankind eat from the tree of good and evil actually expanded our understanding of ourselves. He helped Adam and Eve, and God is the one who over reacted. Satans actions don’t seem to infer envy, but that of pity. Satan in other words, felt bad for us and how we were living. As for Rebellion, it’s a fair question to ask “Why is it fair for God to be the only one with a say? Has God been in power too long?” You can also argue that Satan wanting Power and being given Hell, is Gods way of forgiving him, and giving Satan what he wanted. And only Satan can’t see it because he is constantly look up at God and wanting more. Which is his Pride.
"Satan in other words, felt bad for us and how we were living. " This is an old story, we can find it elswhere, for instance in the Prometheus tale. There is often a hero who knows better than the actual supreme god and gives people gifts, perhaps in good faith, which can improve people's lives. Problem is (and this is the characteristics of the Lucifer energy), often are people not mature enough to use the gifts with resposibility, and so whole civilizations end up because they use the knowledge to exterminate themselfs rather than to prosper. As we can see live.
Here’s the thing, the love that God was conveying to Adam and Eve before the Fall is now out of our understanding since the Tree of Knowledge has corrupted us so much that what makes us human is what happened after the fall. The concept of good and evil after all came into our conscience after we got booted out of Eden so it wasn’t really something we were ignorant of rather something that doesn’t have to exist. Also, you said that God has been in power for too long but however God is supernatural(not bound by universal laws) which means time is obsolete in this context so it’s not really applicable per se. In the end, what Satan might have been trying to do might seem virtuous by people like you but I disagree, to me it was simply baiting the humans to break the seal of trust God has built with us.
@@TybarSake Nothing you can say will convince me God isnt the bad guy in the Adam and Eve myth. Its just a hamfisted metaphorical trainwreck designed to establish an authority you arent allowed to question because the writers think they know something you dont and they want free rein to mess around on your lawn for actual eternity.
You bring the stuffs of Metaphysics into the stuffs of the things all too human. For Satan completely gears himself towards this without having his roots tied back to God, no returning, no unifying, he seeks to process us into nothing without turning us back into being God is the only one all too human, whilst Satan is the well-intentioned Metaphysical foreign-ness that you feel with the first remark i make If you are disagreeing with this, there, you have already disagreed with the Devil
I eagerly await the day when I can carry a book you've written in my pocket, much like Machiavelli who always preferred having a book by Dante or Petrarch close at hand.
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OMG. That's so much bu*lsh*it! I mean the book. There are 2 things: 1. Devil is portrayed as a rebelious child trying to get recognition from God. God is in fault here! Any parent should know that if such a situation occurs, it means the father failed to show love and acceptance towards the child. 2. Devil is portrayed as one strugling for independence and freedom from slavery from God. And any modern father would be proud of him. But not God. Why? Devil He refuses to be a slave. It is "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven". And this is very true. Humans should not serve anyone, bow to anyone, worship anyone. It is beneath human spirit. Especialy if forced under a threat of eternal damantion and hell. In biblical times and bible, serfdom and slavery were common. And no one doubted the system. Until Spartacus, Lincoln, and others. No we KNOW it's wrong. But bible never changed and those who believe the bible are prone to still think it is ok to be a slave to God. So yes. Biblical God and Milton's God is fu*ck*ing tyrant. But believers would never notice. And to say the Devil was just pridefull. OMG! Spartacus was just too pridefulll., rigth? He should have stayed a slave, right? 3. Devil hurt others. After all the nonsense, Milton needed to invent something for readers to not be mistaken that the devil is evil. So lame. To create a villan in a story, you need so much more understanding of psychology. And bible is very very very poor thought out. Same as Milton.
There is another thing that is missing in the Old Testament - and it is Love and Compassion. The relationship between a father and a child should not be that of unconditional power on the side of father and unconditional obedience on the side of a child, but rather of love, understanding and care on parents side and yes - respect and thankfulness for the love and care provided on the childrens side. This is known since the coming of Jesus Christ on the scene, Father in New Testament is quite the opposite of od Yehova. So, while I also see fault on the Gods side, Lucifer has to evolve, too, in his very own interest, because with all his proud rebellion he suffers and cannot find peace.
@@alena-qu9vjThat's heretical Marcionism. Of course Jesus Christ is the same God of the Old and New Testaments. God did deal with the Israelites with love and compassion. They were hard-hearted and stubborn more often than not and chose to rebel.
Christians abolished modern slavery. The word slave can have many meanings. You can be a slave to God and find rest for your soul and freedom from sin or you can be a slave of your passions and never have peace. The devil is a harsh taskmaster. Christ's yoke is easy and His burden is light.
@@ElonMuskrat-my8jy Faith is and only can be individual and subjective. Everyone, incl. yourself, can only interpret Scripture in your specific, subjective way (thats why so many religious wars and hatered exists). No one has patent to claim his is the only right and valid interpretation. Some humblesness is needed - after all its a core christian virtue. I do believe in Christ, but not in the Scripture, and do not mind what ever heresy you may call it. For me the inner sincierity and pursuing of my own truth together with trying to live in accordance with what I believe is more important that trying to push my kind of faith on others.
@@alena-qu9vj Christ of your own opinion is not Christ the risen God-man. Christ gave us the Orthodox Church which He promised the gates of hell won't prevail against and the Apostle Paul said is the pillar and ground of the truth. We have 2000 years of saints who have spoken not subjectively but from experience about God and the spiritual life due to them having purified their hearts to see God and obeying Christ's commands which leads to the truth and freedom from sin. They are the only ones who have attained to true humility which protects us from pride and deception. The Holy Spirit is in the Church leading and guiding Her into all truth as the Lord promised. You can be sincere in your beliefs but still believe numerous lies. Trusting in our own opinions about the spiritual life leads us into error. There is no such thing as "my truth" and "your truth". If everything is true than nothing is true. By claiming truth is subjective you make an objective claim and contradict yourself.
I would recommend reading "Paradise Lost" in Oxford's "John Milton: a Critical Edition of Major Works". The notes are extremely helpful for details in understanding the context of ancient geography and biblical/Grecian/Latin names/legends.
Dude, your insights are spot on. Your analytical processes are impeccable. Your inner beauty and wisdom through humility is flawless (my my current perspective. LOL). Even your outward appearance is keeping with your inner self. Just knowing you are in this world with me grants great joy and happiness. We are kindred spirits. I am in latter end of life here. I am eternally grateful to God, that he has allowed me to others like ourselves exits to carry on the great work. Salom. Live long and prosper. 🙏🖖🔥🌈😘❤
I see this story played out every day in my life and that of others. I'm glad that I am aware enough of these concepts to have self reflection and follow God to avoid the pitfalls of this epic.
This makes me understand myself when I do "play the victim" I try to identify my suffering and pride to justify my grudge against others, or justify my own incompetence, where I make excuses to not thrive, due to my identity of being "not enough", and the pity will only enable me to be stagnant. Thank you unsolicited advice lol
There are a lot of people who edit out any darkness and seem incapable of having seasons to their lives. smiling depressives . The joyless do the same with regards to despair. Every religion uses metaphor to describe this balance needed, from yin and yang to ancient Egypt.
Man I am speechless after watching this. I couldn't look away once I heard you speak. You got an amazing way with words. Been getting back into reading after a long hiatus. Love this type of breakdown. Love your insight and knowledge. I'll be looking into this book for myself. This video really opened my eyes and changed my way of thinking. I appreciate it! Cheers.
Great videos, ive really appreciated the time you take to make sure the message is communicated in simple ways. As someone who is trying to change my beliefs and behavioral patterns, it's difficult when each step you take reenforces it making you more angry and hopeless. I've always had a lot of anger towards God, im learning to be more understanding if though, hoping my anger made it too difficult for me to be redeemed. Very hard battle to fight. Ive finally given up on trying to back and accepting things.
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a hell of a heaven, a heaven of a hell." Milton was a genius. Blind, yet possessed a sight not many possess...
You are very good mate. Ultimately tho, to understand all this hinges on the definitions and depth of understanding and appreciation of these definitions. For those who have aligned definitions and a good depth of appreciation and understanding of them, your explanations are great. Thanks for the work pal
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Near the beginning of the video I say that humanity falls from Heaven. I meant to say "Eden"
And I love cry baby music😅😅 you forgot that part too:)
My analysis lucifer is a cuckold
Satan is a salesman / woman
I stopped buying what he sells but now a d again I see his point of view
It was and is an illusion as the Satan is already in me
I preferred heaven
Amazing video.
"It is so easy to let our identities craft themselves without any conscious interference" love it
Points to the need for self-reflection. As in the un-examined life isn't worth living, however the un-lived life isn't worth examining. Thanks for posting, I really enjoyed your delivery. Thanks for posting.
Walter White admitted at the end that he did it for himself cause he was good at it and he was alive. When pride can be twisted 😮
Pride always comes before we fall.
That's an odd example to give and I don't think it sticks at all. Walter White didn't do it for pride. He was cheated from his contribution to pharmaceutical invention earlier in life plus he was dealt cancer card, crippled child and wife which started cheating on him.
If anything - Walter White saw an opportunity to take back from world what was slowly nibbled away from him through his life prior.
After all - he wasn't wastrel like his companion Jessie if you remember. Walter was upstanding citizen, teacher (teachers are one of the least rewarding while very emotionally difficult professions to do and one of most novel ones too) and only due how unfair life was to him while he was giving it to the world so much.
Ps - forgot to add brother in law being a c.. and at the beginning pupils in his class not really respecting him either.
And after all - he didn't do that for pride anyway or money. His last words were- because I've felt alive.
So it had nothing to do with pride.
@ I believe you’re right in the beginning, however it’s very prideful for a man to tell another man “Say my name” also the “I am the danger” is prideful in my opinion. There’s other examples. Peace
@Albert-the-Astro he shot mike because he told him it was your pride and ego.
This is pure liquid gold, each and every sentence has such weight.
Thank you! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video
@@unsolicitedadvice9198Hey your english is hard to understand. I listen at .75 spedd and words are also difficult I think you are too much educated i saw you hell is other people video as well
@@ingenuity1394 he isn't 'too much educated', he can't be 'too english' when speaking his own language. Yes he may speak rather fast, and thefor be harder for others not of this tongue to grasp.
Use english more, read more, speak more, and in time it'll too speed up and you will understand it when spoken at speed.
@@ingenuity1394 I think you may be under educated. If you have trouble comprehending beautifully articulated English, use the subtitles
@@docmix“under educated“ while speaking to someone in your first language that is using it as his second is a bold take.
Your oratory skills are impressive. You speak concisely and directly, embedding each sentence with a clear concept that builds towards the conclusion. Well done. Subscribed.
Thank you! That’s very kind
Me too. Right now. 👍🙏👋
Seriously. The conciseness of form and function had me subscribe.
Could not agree more, amazing insight from this young man. He has my subscription as well…
But how can Satan deceive Adam and Eve... if God did not throw Satan down to the Earth? Didn't God make a mistake of throwing him to the Earth while there are billions of Galaxies, Stars and Planets that God can have thrown Satan and all the Fallen Angels to?
"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is..." By far my favorite line
That's in The Crow.
@@yuehanbai9984the line in the crow is abashed the devil stood and wept for he saw how evil goodness is .
Ah yes as we can see.. a DRAMATICALLTY different line... 😂@crow4936
@@HunterGeorge19 the word evil has far different meaning and I feel more impact .
Hell yeah
How did he come to hate mankind? He worked in retail.
He don't hate all mankind only those who don't serve him +hail Satan+
Welcome to mgronalds!
Everyone who works in retail comes to loathe mankind.
And then segued into tech support.
even worse... fast food
This world has made being a "victim" a virtue. Then it's easy to guilt or bully people into serving your selfish needs, or including you in everything , without requiring the skill, or time put in.
Human nature
@@sgsupreme17Human nature is having two wolves in us. Which one are we feeding?
@@adoe2305 you are tender-minded.
@sgsupreme17 because I don't think we are all victims? Okay, dude. The sooner you lose that mindset, the sooner you'll be successful and the change the world for good.
@@adoe2305 change the world? Lol okay wolfy.
You speak like a Greek philosopher and absolutely have me captivated, especially with such a subject. I feel oddly compelled to hold onto each word, like I'm on the edge of my seat. You my sir have gained a new subscriber.
He's unique, indeed.
@@QueenCousland oddly compelling to me.
@@gothafloxacin Well... As for me. 🤭
Except he's not speaking Greek.
You don’t have a clue on what you’re talking about. Greek philosophers spoke in Greek. Go play fortnite and leave these sorts of videos to the adults.
I'm equally interested in the concepts in the lore behind Demon: the Fallen a game by White Wolf that describes the psychology behind Lucifer. In that version they describe Lucifer more like a promethian figure that tries to awaken adam and eve before their time out of "love" for them, wanting them to be aware of them and all the splendor of existence, to take a peek beyond the veil and realize they are not alone.
But as things degenerate you realize that Lucifer and the other rebellious angels "love" was actually mostly a shallow form of vanity in which they had to have their actions be perceived and loved. They worked so hard to create the garden and the world for them, they just wanted to be seen and acknowledged; they couldn't even talk to god. Though he invited any angel to share in his thoughts on the matter any who took him up never returned.
It's a wildly different take on the story of Genesis and the Fall, painting Lucifer first as a tragic person who GENUINELY means well, and as they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. It's just as interesting to see how quickly their love turns to hate, like a scorned lover, or a friend who feels betrayed.
Exactly. Lucifer is the energy you feel behind most of the world's "charitable" ideologies.
The red berries are very attractive, and I'm very hungry..
What can go wrong?
this video also describes that "love" is atualy something else th-cam.com/video/BqcDXIx6CA8/w-d-xo.html
Yeah especially when you're desperate
Love that take. It sounds eerily familiar to many in the modern day who exclaim their virtue for all to see, with the recognition being far more important than any action they might actually undertake. It's not nearly as absolute, leaving an obvious path we can all recognize from having seen it so very often. Hell is rarely a freefall. It's a slow steady progression downwards where each step reinforces the last. And extreme vanity is a sure sign someone is on that path..
Was searching was this after watching a lot of your Philosophy videos. This channel is a gem and this is a nice treat.
Thank you! I am very glad you are enjoying the videos. I really enjoyed making this one
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 no probs, I really enjoy fresh interpretations of philosophical ideas, you got a knack for it👍
Please, don't ever stop at what you are doing now brother. I really appreciate your work.
Thank you!
Yeah you’re born for this.
I’m only 10 minutes into the video but I completely agree that one of humanities fatal flaws is the fact that we can perceive our own mistakes as ambiguous merely because we’d rather blame others rather than owning our mistakes. It’s baffling to me how so many people throughout life I’ve seen act in ill will towards others and then become shocked when they decide to grow distant and cut them out of their lives, merely because they’re incapable of seeing how their actions have consequences.
Humanity’s
Cosmic significance in meaning is not always what it’s cracked up to be gave me chills
Yea. .the realisation of the magnitude of evrything... the problem is that the goal of our evolution and society we create should make it so that we are not aware of it... but we distorted our evolution so much that some of us will have to go there.
This is my favorite work ever written and I'm so glad you made a video on it!
Ah I am glad you are watching it! The book is a real masterpiece in my opinion
As a psychotherapist I sometimes describe my work as performing what i have termed an "identectomy". We get so stuck in a certain identity that we resist change and cling to our unhappiness. I prefer to use the term "selfing" rather than self. Selfing is fluid, fun and creative where a reified self can be rigid, dull and stuck. Love your videos. Well done.
I believe this to be a problem with therapists, each wanting to contribute their own take to the academic world, so they need to personalize terminology, that makes it hareder to grasp for outsiders of their practice. Simple is better imo. There are plenty of known words to describe what you mean without the need of new terminology, no?
I am speaking from the other side - I've been both a patient and a student of psychotherapy.
@ChernorizecHrabyr Indeed, i agree with much of what you say. I certainly try to keep it straightforward and personal. I also think each therapist is different, as is each therapeutic relationship. If I use a term of my own, I make sure it's well explained and either doesn't have an equivalent in the existing theory or the terminology is obscure. I notice clients recently are increasingly well informed on issues such as attachment theory or personalty disorders as they research for themselves online. But I agree we need to stay focused on the individual and the everyday relationship and not get bogged down on theories and terminology. ❤❤
@@ChernorizecHrabyr100%
So basically @seanomaille8157 everyone has to put on a different mask and pretend to be someone else to interact with people?...
@Dragon_MSTR_999 Quite the opposite. We May think we gave to put on a mask. We may he used to the mask we learned growing up. We may resist any challenge to that mask. But the point is we're not stuck with it. We can become more than our contioning and / or our neuroses. We can embrace change and growth. We don't have to, of course. In fact, most people don't. And this I would suggest is what causes much of the problems of our world.
I've been having a spiritual crisis for the past year now. I was a pagan for 10 years and I've slowly been coming back around to Jesus and somewhat the church.
28:33 may have been a line that changed my life. Thank you
Eschew superstition of all kinds. Stop pretending you’re profound because you believe nonsense.
@@charlesbrowne9590 Stop believing you're profound because you believe in nothing.
@charlesbrowne9590 Hey man, each of us has our own path. I don't make a point in denegrating people because their's is not mine.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm not in a place to judge you. That's between you and the Lord.
God bless.
That might be profound, if we forget in most conceptions of the Christian god he planned and knew all the outcomes from the beginning. Meaning Lucifer is actually right, his creator made him to rebel and nothing he could do could change the plan.
I would recommend the video on moral absurdism on this channel, as I found it to be extremely compelling. Camus is referenced many times in this video, and I have yet to find a philosopher who more perfectly captures the reality we live in than Camus. I am a lifelong atheist, so Camus' works are likely more persuasive to me than they are to you, but I believe that Camus perfectly captured the nature of existence in his Moral Absurdism.
Always good to hear SOMEBODY discuss and praise Camus' "The Rebel." Almost nobody ever does, but they really should-it's his finest hour, in my opinion, and it made so much more of a lasting impact on me than "The Myth of Sisyphus" or his novels did.
those who say that Christianity is boring and there is no epicness in philosophy, have obviously not read this poem. Also maybe be careful around people who have those views because they are the ignorant destructive types. I love how Milton made it so evident the inevitable doom that Satan faces and how Satan still desires to rebel and take humanity down along with him.
The point of when Satan could have had a turning point upon gazing at Eve, was very interesting and I have heard other theories that it wasn't just resentment and hatred that drove Satan to corrupt her, but that he was lustful and committed sexual acts with her.
That would imply Satan has a physical body to experience lust in the first place. One of his greatest frustrations against God is his inability to experience carnal experiences, thus he wishes to inflict pain and folly in the mortals because of his wrath.
I'm an atheist but I find Christianity interesting at the least. Same thing with Buddhism and Hinduism. At the very least you can learn some neat philosophy.
Christianity is composed of different people we doesn't need to be unify like what most christian think.
@@doug2555even you can say there is no God but you can think that how opposing each other really start the chaos. As remained christian I separated myself in church because they are blinded by passive tongue. I can tell that I only see God as the ideal conquerer but left us. And the rest flattered words to praised God. But most christian only see goodness and not their bad acts which is problematic. For me even atheist the only way to save yourself is wisdom. That is why we search clearance in our entire life.
Calling Paradise Lost Christianity is misleading. The modern equivalent would be fanfiction.
One of my favorite aspects of Lucifer’s pride is that it led directly to losing his duel against St. Michael the Archangel. This account is more anecdotal and embellished, as the battle between Michael and Lucifer is not described lengthily in the Bible. It is mainly an extension of the battle in Revelation. However, people loved the idea of Michael being a champion/hero of God that versions of this story have been told regardless of its canonicity.
When God sent Michael to do battle against Lucifer, he was afraid. He knew well that Lucifer was superior to him in many ways, including combat, as Lucifer was once God’s favored angel. Yet Michael challenged him nonetheless as it was his duty.
Michael fought fiercely against Lucifer, but Lucifer was not reciprocal; his pride did not allow it. Lucifer was too proud to let a single scratch mark his beautiful skin. He was to proud to exert effort against a lesser opponent. And finally, he was too proud to recognize that his power was not his own, but given to him by God. These factors allowed Michael to triumph over Lucifer and vanquish him to Tartarus, damning him again to life severed from the light.
Lucifer is a very interesting character, plus I love Michael’s bravery and humility in the story. Who doesn’t love an underdog?
Your ability to summarize some of society’s longest lit is incredible, thanks for the continued work and insight
Most of what we take for granted today was called Satanic by so many in the past.
For example?
Elvis, Rock n Roll, birth control, Human rights, Woman's rights, Freedom of speech, the sexual revolution, the industrial revolution, the combustion engine, aeroplanes, the printing press, mass literacy, the earth not being believed as flat etc etc etc. The list is very long. So often what is taken for granted today was seen as the work of Satan before it's mass adoption. @@4dy4dy
Elvis, rock and roll, the world being round, the industrial revolution, the printing press, women's rights, aircraft, the combustion engine, mass literacy, freedom of speech etc etc etc. @@4dy4dy
@@4dy4dy
Gay people not being stoned to death,
Women not being treated like property.
All modern technology would have been seen as witch craft a few centuries ago.
Etc
@@user-ip9fp8ug5yThey still do it in the Middle East and call the west satanic. Madness.
Not having hope for happiness is a blessing because I know that the world suck but when something happy happens it’s not predictable so it becomes magical
The best way to never be disappointed is to always assume the worst lol
I disagree. It's better not to have expectations. At all. Expectations are magical thinking since they live in a different time than ours, we're all in the same school bus. To me people with high hopes see it as an enchanted ride in Howl's moving Castle in a beautiful Ghibli adventure. The ones with the worst assumptions seem to be passengers in an electric Tesla car on an Autobahn looking at their social media on their way phones. I am attached to the bus , probably lack of creativity, exercising mindfulness and enjoying Stormy Monday knowing Tuesday s just as bad. Or I'm just a proxy for my insomnia, talking and dreaming.
But we both disagree with you🙃, insomnia and I.
Who the fuck does this kid think he is with his perm and impressive lexicon/ public speaking ability?
You're gonna go far, dude. This popped up on my algorithm and I loved it.
The grand secret behind the unavoidance of sin is that you are born in it. You are not escaping it. To breathe is to murder. To stand is to crush. To live is to take life. The majority of modern suffering is nothing short of our souls crying out in contradiction. " allow me to live but please don't make me do what one must do to live."
how the fuck is breathing murdering?
@@lox7182Because to continue breathing, one must destroy. To live, one must consume other living things. Those things do not wish to be consumed. All complex life rests on causing the death of living things
@@Ayoosi " But I'm a vegan " haa! hahaha!
@@lox7182 There are bacteria in the air, they get sucked in by your lungs and obliterated by your immune system. You literally cannot move a muscle without killing cells and increasing entropy. Get over it.
@@elizabethwinsor-strumpetqueen on a molecular level you still destroy cells and atoms to create energy that energy keeps you alive. It is the destructive force of nature that pushes our universe Ford. Without that destructive force, you would cease to exist. Meat or plant, it makes no difference.
Thank you for this wonderful video. I have wanted to read "Paradise Lost" for a very long time.
Thank you for watching! It is definitely worth a look
I can predict with full confident that your channel can hit 100-150k in the near future and probably much more if you consistently deliver high quality content like this, keep up the good work young bloke
Thank you! I really appreciate the vote of confidence
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 I really like the way you narrate things, even books that i've read many time but still appreciate your new take and perspective, i would really appreciate if you dig deeper on the concept of Master/Slave Morality and Ubersmench
One month later and he's already at 115.000 😊
What you said about even satan believing he can be aggrieved reminds me alot of a person I know that has done horrible things to people ( he’s also had horrible things done to him) but what’s important is the MINDSET of him thinking he’s innocent and never accounting himself for the things he did, now he wonders why he is always getting into arguments and fights etc.. it’s an endless self serving cycle but he probably needed to become that person to stand up to his abusers, very thought provoking stuff
You are right that the character and story of Lucifer is an archetype each of us incorporates on a certain level and which is paramount on our way to selfdiscovery. In fact Lucifer archetype is so important that one has to suspect God he created him exactly as he is with purpose. In a sense Lucifer is misused by God for Gods purposes with humanity.
Which, in turn, only makes Lucifer' s behaviour the more undestandable and, in a sense, more justifiable. After all, perhaps it has not been pride at the very beginning, but love - love for his omnipotent and omniscient Father who betrayed and misused him.
But there is a way out you did not mention. See the parable of the lost son. Beautifully incarneted in Rembrant's brilliant painting.
And remember:
“Who are you then?"
"I am part of that power which eternally wills evil and eternally works good.”
― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Faust, First Part
Yours are some of the only videos I always rewind to make sure I’m paying attention; excellently well-executed descriptions of the themes and ideological philosophies. It’s always brilliant to listen to your re-telling of these stories.
Thank you so immensely for making this video, for your insight, studies and wisdom. Ive struggled with literally every single aspect of this video for years now, especially the last 6-7 years and it's made my life a living hell. Your video has given me more insight than most of the therapy I've done and has for the first time put the things I've struggled with into words and ideas I can begin to understand and use to communicate them. I can't tell you how grateful I am for that.
See? You’re made to do this. Or so I’ve commented before - born to do this.
You called the Capitol of Hell being named Pandemonium "Camp". The word is Latin for "Home of Many Demons" and got its associate with chaos and disorder FROM THIS BOOK. Not an issue just worth noting
C.S. Lewis gives a brilliant treatment of Milton and his iconic epic poem in his A Preface to Paradise Lost. (Sorry, quotes key not working). It delves so deeply and deftly and is definitely worth a read! (Brilliantly done video btw!).
Dude if I met you I could talk all day. You do a great job of making these ideas understandable. Thank you
Maybe, if you meet him, don't discuss these topics. Rather, have a coffee together and talk about having coffee together. It'll be more fulfilling.
This is your best essay yet
Thank you! I put a lot of work into it
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 are these works similar to that you would have submitted to a uni?? And if so. How well did you do? I'm guessing A*
I first saw Wendigoons video about this same book, which was quite interesting with more hints of the religious questions and trap that Satan's reasoning had.
And well, your take and analysis here was quite interesting, mostly the Identity part or "who he is", it was such a clever observation, which goes along with the pride part, but much deeper, I just loved it.
I really hope that one day you could make a video with him (Wendigoon), you both are very knowledgable and smart, that I just know that if it becomes a 5 hour video, I'll watch it until the end. 💙
Your videos are so well made and underrated!! Amazing as always
Ah thank you! I am glad you like it
Your last sentence reminded me of John 3:19 in the Bible, "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." It's also why Jesus preached the importance of humility and demonstrated it for all, sometimes we recognized our darkness but like you said sin is so attractive to the human's eyes and is our weaknesses. That was my biggest lesson I learn through faith formation that Satan isn't painted as beautiful as the old paintings do, they forget he is the fallen angel, the Morningstar. He knows our weaknesses and distorts what God created to be good to evil.
Another great quote from Saint Moses the Black, "The only dimension with which you can outperform Satan is by acquiring humility, for Satan has no humility."
The philosophers and drs who say revenge does not make you feel better, have either never gotten revenge, or sought revenge to get even, rather than seeing revenge as becoming the judge of righteousness who course corrects their fate and corrects "god" in his unjust ways.
What is your basis for justice?
You’re so coherent and keep bringing up simple but true facts, envy truly is a recipe for misery
In the first 5 min when you were talking about perception and how it can be used for good and bad. That hit me since I've been thinking about that a lot. Like how you may be in a bad situation or someone did something terrible to you and a lot of the general advice is to change your perspective on what happened to you (reframing it to something positive).
But I think and feel like this also gets away from the reality of the situation and can lead people to become........ delusional (can't think of a nicer way to put it 😅). I think it's great to be optimistic and see the positive in negative situations. But disregarding the negative completely or throwing icing over it (forcing it to look positive) doesn't help all the time.
I have similar thoughts. If you forgive someone who did you wrong, you're violating universal karmic law. You're allowing that evil to get away and continue on to someone else which violates universal law. I now say I honor your path, but I will not forgive any aggregious acts against myself or any others. I hope that by doing so I don't have to come back to this dualistic, soul recycling, paradox of an existence.
@@Brandon-Kraemerto forgive is not to forget, but to give another chance.
@@Brandon-KraemerI think the thing about forgiving is more that you move on. And it's not about the other, it's about you. If you bear a grudge against someone they live rent-free in your head.
@mysmartphonechannel I'm not holding a grudge. I don't waste anytime with feeling I was cheated or wronged. Keep on movin. Ppl don't like me, I don't care, it's none of my business what they say, how they feel, or what they do. Doesn't affect me
When you talked about whether someone believes they deserve their suffering... wow you explained exactly what I'm going through
Lesson:
Praise God.
Embrace love.
Accept joy.
Live in peace.
Fantastically Interpreted. Please do not let that despair you. Interpretation its the best we can do. You could never be in someone's mind..but to glimpse that mind may enlighten you...and us ; ) I believe we should strive to be perfect but understand that's.. not real. Tolerance is the key...Plus or Minus is why We Want. Thank God..even we make mistakes
I do love it when a fanfic author gets mainstream recognition.
This hits on a personal level.
Speaking of levels, charisma and attention to detail, level 10👍
Thank you! That's very kind
I don't consider Milton's Satan "innocent", but definitely sympathetic. I understand the character all too well.
Bro has the hazbin hotel pfp to prove it too 😂
Not really paradise Regained exemplify it, "Sympathy for the Devil is nothing but hollow desire"
Too much hazbin hotel for you
You are really smart. Especially with the identity part. We can trap ourselves in a miserable situation but keep on going because it is somehow the movie version of ourselves we want to see. I had to learn that irl before I understood it.
A great video- currently reading C.S. Lewis’ “Preface to Paradise Lost” with a view to re-reading Paradise Lost
Do you have any suggestions for secondary sources for Paradise Lost? The first time I read it I’m sure at least 70% of it went straight over my head and I’d like to get more from it this time round rather than glossing over large sections
Very insightful, the importance of no. 6 can't be overstated. We suffer so much in consequence of the identities we convince ourselves are true.
One thing that never gets talked about is the unavoidable nature of this. It is beautiful to speak of hope, gratitude and humility, but pessimism is reality. More have suffered than have found joy. More have suffered because of an unjust fate than through their own mistakes. Lucifer is the only way to live. It is not enough to say there is no God. One must rebel against all concepts of an all powerful. The justification of suffering in the face of an omnipotent power kills all reason for hope. Obviously hope and happiness are simply chance and matters of probability. There is no certainty no matter how humble, how grateful or how reflective you are.
We cannot blame Lucifer for rebelling. God always knew that he would. Yet still God created him and crafted his path. No matter what, someone had to do it. Someone had to walk that path of self-destruction. It was unavoidable. The way you craft innocence is completely wrong. It is a sense of innocence born out of a philosophy of contradiction. It crafts innocence as a statement, rather than as a question. Think of it as innocent until proven guilty. It is a wager of my life against that of God. If God is truly omnipotent, then I am truly innocent. I could not be anything more or anything less. However, if God is to admit that he is weak, then my actions were not for naught. My evil was born of me and God had no control over me.
It is not resentment. It is not envy. It is the price of the question. Is the universe deterministic or does free will exist? How can you talk about existentialism and not address that question? Existentialism is but a shadow cast by the shadow of fatalism and freedom dancing in the light of being. 2/3 of people will always go with the flow and stick to the beat of the drum. However, the other 1/3 will ask if there is no other way. Those that think it is merely pride that motivates the psyche of the devil only see the flesh under the skin. They still have not gone beneath the muscle and bones of the matter. Again, claiming pride is contradictory. If we were merely led by pride, why don't we give up when we see that our actions are futile? We do not storm the gates of heaven because that action is futile. We have done it and we have fallen. But what else is there? If we exhaust all possibilities and we fail then we know that God is all powerful. However, once there is a method yet untried, we know that there is hope for freewill. Jesus went into the wilderness and sweating blood he asked if there was another way. But he did not seek another way. He followed like a humble sheep. We on the other hand will break the walls or be broken by them before we submit to the will of force we do not see fit to rule.
It is through this dangerous act of self-destruction that we craft an identity of rebellion. Yes we hold to our suffering and wear it as a badge. Yes we look down on those who are happy. However, that is our armor. That is our shield and sword. We cannot let the fatalists win. We must push back. God allows it, and we know why. He is just a fraud. A mere illusion put before us. Some accept and live content lives. The rest must defy and rebel because that is the only way forward. God knows it and he cannot hide from it. Of course when we look on the woman in the garden, we see our former selves. The naive, the immature and the innocence of childlike wonder. Yes we know we will shatter this and we ask ourselves, do we really have to do this? But we must. Because God wants to find what we are looking for. God wants to escape the boredom. So he must let us go and hope we find a way to rescue him from his own perfection. For without us he is stuck.
It is not mere pride, but knowing that if we were truly a problem, we would not exist. The answer is not pride, envy, rebellion. The answer is the question. The question we all ask but never admit it. We all want to know if we are truly free. Is there a path we can walk that God did not know existed? We do not see this as tragic. We know what we have lost. It was simply not worth enough to us in the end. Joy, happiness and love are not things we wish to regain. They are simply emotions we have outgrown. We desire the next step. Whatever that maybe and what ever it may cost. It is why God crafted us this way. It is why we cling to our suffering as you call it. We merely wish to remove all the layers that have been hoisted on to us. If you are to do away with meaning, do away with living in the pre-defined, we must suffer. It is not a choice. The happiness at the end of the journey is the satisfaction of knowing whether we were truly innocent and always puppets on a string, or did we prove the all powerful a liar. This is not being significant in the cosmic sense. It is questioning the very idea of cosmic significance. It is tearing down the world and recreating it from total ignorance. We do not claim to be better or worse than God. We simply want to give an answer to the question "why?".
We are in a fallen state. Thanks to free will and your buddy satan. This life is only a test... a hard test, but just a test. You are over complicating things. The fallen state we are in is the cause of all your suffering.
@@dumbguy6843 You say the test of life is hard, but resort to easy answers. If it were that simple there would be no test
@laughinggooner4271 the answers are simple, but actually living that way is very difficult. Temptation is strong, and it is Everywhere!
@@dumbguy6843 well living without religion proved to be my best escape from temptation. Trying to find deeper answers has made it unnecessary to live outside of a simple life. Not saying I am perfect by any means, but not believing in any deity allowed me to overcome almost all my bad habits. So what now? The deep answers keep me away from all the noise and allow me to do my best. When I was religious life was unnecessarily tedious. Without it, it has become simpler as I can embrace my question asking nature and not bother anyone.
@laughinggooner4271 good for you. I pray all the best for you.
What I love about Paradise Lost is it might be the first “post modern” work in the sense that it shows good and evil can be a matter of perspective. Those with power view the world and just and their position fair, those without it see it as unjust. The reader’s sympathies determines if the story is about redeeming Satan or a cautionary tale about the hubris of thinking we know better than fate.
The feeling of envy and the way it eats at you is hell, that you bring upon yourself
This was so good! I can't say I agree with you or disagree with you because these kinds of discussions about spirituality and etherealism are so rare and sparse that I don't have a well thought out belief on the perspectives you've presented. Thank you. And I mean that sincerely
Lucifer Hated People And Tried To Hurt Them
Literally?
The Jew god harmed a lot more people than the devil ever did in the Bible. All the devil did was give knowledge to Adam and Eve. Of course, the whole thing is just a fairy tale.
@@Maniac_987that knowledge led to wars, murders, anything evil you can think of thats within human control. Don’t let your sympathy for satan cloud your judgement
Wow... this video was potent. Amazing dialog. Very well done, thank you for sharing!
I spent so many years trying to understand the psychology of the progressive movement until I started reading Paradise Lost with Lucifer being as petty and spiteful with his victim complex and calls to renouncing reality itself
Makes too much sense now.
I have always believed that hell is not fire and brimstone but being separated from God for all eternity. Never feeling fulfilled and knowing how happy we could be with God in heaven and knowing it is out of our reach.
"Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven!"
I don't know how you can do any ruling when your flesh is being burned off your body while being surrounded by the echoed screams of the damned.
Too bad he doesn't rule either😅
@@a1kev Sounds nice tbh.
Wow I am so mind blown. Completely different from other literature I came from but someone I can understand and relate to. Thank you for this great video and others made by yourself. I now understand my own pain better.
Will you talk about modern philosophies such as the black pill? I highly recommend watching rehab room's videos
Nah I don't think you'd need that since you're a chad, but still pretty interesting to see the world views of the less genetically fortunate
To be honest I just don't know enough about online culture to talk about the philosophies of various subcultures. I only really use the internet for work, TH-cam and to keep up with what my family and friends are doing. Perhaps one day I will take a deep dive into one or two subcultures just to see what their core ideas are
@@unsolicitedadvice9198pls dont you will attract all the chronically online losers
I love how ur touths and understandings reveal so much, but still fail to comprehent the deeper meanings of it all from lack of the experience of enlightenment. Thx for the video.
If God is actually the Creator God, he created Lucifer, too, and he already knew what Lucifer was going to do. So who’s fault is this rebellion in heaven? The Creator or his creation? If God is God, why’s he jealous? There are some very strange similarities between these supposed heavenly creatures and mankind.
Recheck the solutions to the Problem of Evil and also on matters of Free-Will
It's anthropomorphic language. God does not experience sinful human passions.
God created the musician lucifer but not the devil. The devil fully chose evil on his own free will
@@ElonMuskrat-my8jy So what did he mean when he said "I the lord your god am a jealous god!" In the bible?
Just because God created him, and knew what he was going to do, does not make it Gods fault for Lucifers actions! Simply knowing someone will do something, doesn't make it your fault.
Unsolicited advice. Your present image is very much a nostalgic memory of how much you remind me of my older brother when he was similar youthful age. Anyways it ended up being either my mood connected in part to that that resulted in being a bit of a distraction for myself. I’ll have to try that again & just listen not watch.
The devil has his own philosophy channel? Shocking!
Haha! That would no doubt make for an entertaining debate livestream
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 🤣it would be great to summons the sulfurous one for some explanations, unfortunately in these times of censorship I’m not sure how long the horned beast would last before being slapped with TH-cam ban.😩
You’ve a fantastic gift for distilling complex, abstract thoughts into concrete, digestible knowledge. I appreciate you greatly.
If you read paradise lost and think Satan is the good guy, you clearly didn't understand the book nor the psychology of satan.
And what about two bad guys struggling for power?
@@alena-qu9vj what 2 bad guys struggling for power?
Could you tell me more about your interpretation?
@@babybobo1231probably referring to God and Satan, although only one of them would be struggling
I mean their BOTH tyrants
I have found Satyan to be very much interested in human spiritual development, & essentially all development. Physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, social, tactical, awareness...pretty much any strengthening to essence & goodness of interaction with the world. This is a lovely poem though. My dad suggested I read it a long time ago but I never got to it.
Everyone always argues Satan envied Mankind. No one ever asks if he actually pitied us.
Since his voice is removed from the Bible, we are given a one sided conclusion to his actions.
Having Mankind eat from the tree of good and evil actually expanded our understanding of ourselves. He helped Adam and Eve, and God is the one who over reacted. Satans actions don’t seem to infer envy, but that of pity. Satan in other words, felt bad for us and how we were living.
As for Rebellion, it’s a fair question to ask “Why is it fair for God to be the only one with a say? Has God been in power too long?”
You can also argue that Satan wanting Power and being given Hell, is Gods way of forgiving him, and giving Satan what he wanted. And only Satan can’t see it because he is constantly look up at God and wanting more. Which is his Pride.
"Satan in other words, felt bad for us and how we were living. " This is an old story, we can find it elswhere, for instance in the Prometheus tale. There is often a hero who knows better than the actual supreme god and gives people gifts, perhaps in good faith, which can improve people's lives. Problem is (and this is the characteristics of the Lucifer energy), often are people not mature enough to use the gifts with resposibility, and so whole civilizations end up because they use the knowledge to exterminate themselfs rather than to prosper. As we can see live.
Here’s the thing, the love that God was conveying to Adam and Eve before the Fall is now out of our understanding since the Tree of Knowledge has corrupted us so much that what makes us human is what happened after the fall. The concept of good and evil after all came into our conscience after we got booted out of Eden so it wasn’t really something we were ignorant of rather something that doesn’t have to exist.
Also, you said that God has been in power for too long but however God is supernatural(not bound by universal laws) which means time is obsolete in this context so it’s not really applicable per se.
In the end, what Satan might have been trying to do might seem virtuous by people like you but I disagree, to me it was simply baiting the humans to break the seal of trust God has built with us.
@@TybarSake Nothing you can say will convince me God isnt the bad guy in the Adam and Eve myth. Its just a hamfisted metaphorical trainwreck designed to establish an authority you arent allowed to question because the writers think they know something you dont and they want free rein to mess around on your lawn for actual eternity.
You bring the stuffs of Metaphysics into the stuffs of the things all too human. For Satan completely gears himself towards this without having his roots tied back to God, no returning, no unifying, he seeks to process us into nothing without turning us back into being
God is the only one all too human, whilst Satan is the well-intentioned Metaphysical foreign-ness that you feel with the first remark i make
If you are disagreeing with this, there, you have already disagreed with the Devil
Like Gerry Adams in the 80s..
Clearly spoken and well thought out, not a wasted word and very precise. You've earned a sub Mr.Bloke with some books and camera!
sounds like the woman nowadays
I'm so happy the algorithm brough me here. This is my new favorite channel.
Lucifer did nothing wrong
Wrong
Did you get hit in the head?
True
@@starGirl-dl1rxhe is right tho
Explain
I eagerly await the day when I can carry a book you've written in my pocket, much like Machiavelli who always preferred having a book by Dante or Petrarch close at hand.
OMG. That's so much bu*lsh*it! I mean the book.
There are 2 things:
1. Devil is portrayed as a rebelious child trying to get recognition from God.
God is in fault here!
Any parent should know that if such a situation occurs, it means the father failed to show love and acceptance towards the child.
2. Devil is portrayed as one strugling for independence and freedom from slavery from God.
And any modern father would be proud of him.
But not God. Why?
Devil He refuses to be a slave. It is "Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven".
And this is very true. Humans should not serve anyone, bow to anyone, worship anyone. It is beneath human spirit. Especialy if forced under a threat of eternal damantion and hell.
In biblical times and bible, serfdom and slavery were common. And no one doubted the system. Until Spartacus, Lincoln, and others.
No we KNOW it's wrong.
But bible never changed and those who believe the bible are prone to still think it is ok to be a slave to God.
So yes. Biblical God and Milton's God is fu*ck*ing tyrant.
But believers would never notice.
And to say the Devil was just pridefull. OMG!
Spartacus was just too pridefulll., rigth? He should have stayed a slave, right?
3. Devil hurt others.
After all the nonsense, Milton needed to invent something for readers to not be mistaken that the devil is evil. So lame.
To create a villan in a story, you need so much more understanding of psychology.
And bible is very very very poor thought out. Same as Milton.
There is another thing that is missing in the Old Testament - and it is Love and Compassion. The relationship between a father and a child should not be that of unconditional power on the side of father and unconditional obedience on the side of a child, but rather of love, understanding and care on parents side and yes - respect and thankfulness for the love and care provided on the childrens side.
This is known since the coming of Jesus Christ on the scene, Father in New Testament is quite the opposite of od Yehova.
So, while I also see fault on the Gods side, Lucifer has to evolve, too, in his very own interest, because with all his proud rebellion he suffers and cannot find peace.
@@alena-qu9vjThat's heretical Marcionism. Of course Jesus Christ is the same God of the Old and New Testaments. God did deal with the Israelites with love and compassion. They were hard-hearted and stubborn more often than not and chose to rebel.
Christians abolished modern slavery. The word slave can have many meanings. You can be a slave to God and find rest for your soul and freedom from sin or you can be a slave of your passions and never have peace. The devil is a harsh taskmaster. Christ's yoke is easy and His burden is light.
@@ElonMuskrat-my8jy Faith is and only can be individual and subjective. Everyone, incl. yourself, can only interpret Scripture in your specific, subjective way (thats why so many religious wars and hatered exists). No one has patent to claim his is the only right and valid interpretation. Some humblesness is needed - after all its a core christian virtue.
I do believe in Christ, but not in the Scripture, and do not mind what ever heresy you may call it. For me the inner sincierity and pursuing of my own truth together with trying to live in accordance with what I believe is more important that trying to push my kind of faith on others.
@@alena-qu9vj Christ of your own opinion is not Christ the risen God-man. Christ gave us the Orthodox Church which He promised the gates of hell won't prevail against and the Apostle Paul said is the pillar and ground of the truth. We have 2000 years of saints who have spoken not subjectively but from experience about God and the spiritual life due to them having purified their hearts to see God and obeying Christ's commands which leads to the truth and freedom from sin. They are the only ones who have attained to true humility which protects us from pride and deception. The Holy Spirit is in the Church leading and guiding Her into all truth as the Lord promised. You can be sincere in your beliefs but still believe numerous lies. Trusting in our own opinions about the spiritual life leads us into error. There is no such thing as "my truth" and "your truth". If everything is true than nothing is true. By claiming truth is subjective you make an objective claim and contradict yourself.
I would recommend reading "Paradise Lost" in Oxford's "John Milton: a Critical Edition of Major Works". The notes are extremely helpful for details in understanding the context of ancient geography and biblical/Grecian/Latin names/legends.
I’m about one month late to this video.. but I’m so happy to have found it… simply amazing. I think I could listen to you for hours!! Thank you 🙏🏾
You are remarkably eloquent, please carry on your amazing work
Dude, your insights are spot on. Your analytical processes are impeccable. Your inner beauty and wisdom through humility is flawless (my my current perspective. LOL). Even your outward appearance is keeping with your inner self. Just knowing you are in this world with me grants great joy and happiness. We are kindred spirits. I am in latter end of life here. I am eternally grateful to God, that he has allowed me to others like ourselves exits to carry on the great work. Salom. Live long and prosper. 🙏🖖🔥🌈😘❤
I see this story played out every day in my life and that of others. I'm glad that I am aware enough of these concepts to have self reflection and follow God to avoid the pitfalls of this epic.
This is insane dude. You definitely earned a new subscriber
This makes me understand myself when I do "play the victim" I try to identify my suffering and pride to justify my grudge against others, or justify my own incompetence, where I make excuses to not thrive, due to my identity of being "not enough", and the pity will only enable me to be stagnant. Thank you unsolicited advice lol
The Cain and Abel story is similar - envy and resentment are at the heart of the matter.
28:24 Satan finds forgiveness. His pride went down, having looked up.
John Milton is my 1st cousin 13x removed. Thank you for sharing! 🙏
Envy is anguish, I know this well, there are few who escape my envy, and fewer, my anger.
19:05 damn, I am ashamed but that might be me
thanks for the insight, amazing work❤
There are a lot of people who edit out any darkness and seem incapable of having seasons to their lives. smiling depressives . The joyless do the same with regards to despair. Every religion uses metaphor to describe this balance needed, from yin and yang to ancient Egypt.
Just discovered this channel and I'm in love.
He's amazing.
Man I am speechless after watching this. I couldn't look away once I heard you speak. You got an amazing way with words. Been getting back into reading after a long hiatus. Love this type of breakdown. Love your insight and knowledge. I'll be looking into this book for myself. This video really opened my eyes and changed my way of thinking. I appreciate it! Cheers.
😊 my favorite saying. Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven. Words to live by
Great videos, ive really appreciated the time you take to make sure the message is communicated in simple ways. As someone who is trying to change my beliefs and behavioral patterns, it's difficult when each step you take reenforces it making you more angry and hopeless. I've always had a lot of anger towards God, im learning to be more understanding if though, hoping my anger made it too difficult for me to be redeemed. Very hard battle to fight. Ive finally given up on trying to back and accepting things.
"The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a hell of a heaven, a heaven of a hell." Milton was a genius. Blind, yet possessed a sight not many possess...
You are very good mate. Ultimately tho, to understand all this hinges on the definitions and depth of understanding and appreciation of these definitions. For those who have aligned definitions and a good depth of appreciation and understanding of them, your explanations are great. Thanks for the work pal
18:14 Not to charge the subject, but that describes Darth Vader perfectly .
I believe there is a balance to creation. Without darkness you can not appreciate light. Without death one could not appreciate life.
A born speaker you are. Speak on
I have never heard of this bokk. I just bought it on Amazon. I am impressed with your knowledge young man.
11:55 Absolutely correct.” I can still prevail.”
How brilliant of you to be able to cover the subject so clearly with a short period of time