@Glyn The AR3 is nice and I see that he has now closed the loops *but* I need to study more. Are these still stepper motors? Is torque limiting possible? This is a very important feature of industrial robots to avoid costly damage.
Thank you sir I enjoy your videos very much I'm 64 years of age I have traumatic brain injury and I'm retired it is easy for me to understand you I'd like to say thank you very much
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I can see in your eyes it was the best gift that you received for christmas jaja, I guess this robot need a name for the next videos :)
@@Skyentific you just shine with happiness in this video, thank you for the interesting material. P S Do you plan to organize information on the various available electric drives in some form (table of comparative characteristics or something like that)?
Man. I already backed it but holy hell I am impressed with that. Dealing with the backlash can be solved with some clever locator methods so that's not even a deal breaker. I can't wait to have my hands on this and am so happy I skipped out on all the stepper motor versions of desktop robots.
Yeah man, nobody will tell you the absolute accuracy, you will always get the the accuracy in reference a teached point, fixed in space and known by the system, called Pose repeatability, even the big industrial robot manufacturers are working like that. You will see it clearly if you do some applications with calculated positions, machine vision etc. Thanks for the video!
i really appreciate your videos .... i apologize for asking for too much effort from you ..... i get too excited watching your videos ...... sorry for overwhelming you
yay i got a super early bird spot and was very excited to see that you had been in contact with them when your video notification came a few minutes later! could you please also check the real world payload, movement speeds and backlash in all axis at some point? what kind of things do you think you'll be doing with this arm? i would really like to see more about INNFOS' humanoid robots, and maybe replicating them, but maybe also combining this with jetson nano computer vision.
I can't wait to see your 7DoF arm with the timing belts and cables. You may actually achieve that 0.1mm precision :) Maybe not in the 3D printed version since the frame itself will flex, but the final version should be awesome.
It looks like the biggest difference in mechanics/drive system between these "hobby" type 5-6 DoF arms and "industrial" models is backlash. With 2mm of backlash it probably would be quite hard to use this arm for applications like welding or some precision positioning application. I think something similar but with much smaller backlash and "sane" price point would be a killer product.
I would use a cheap laser pointer and fix it on the end of the arm and run the code several times across all axis and check if the points match previous iterations. Maybe try different paths to test the same endpoints. That should test the precision nicely.
OMG, so effin beautiful. Doesn't make a sound and follows your every order. I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!
If the camera is on the head, you could lay a penny down and go thru the motions and return to see if the penny was in the same frame space for the amera to tell the accuracy.
Very cool! And under $1000 bucks? Thats pretty amazing. The modular design is nice, but one of the things I like about your hobby robots is, that the motor size is different per axis. It seems you can get better control and better lifting capacity that way. Do you think the same motor size for each axis is still okay for INFOS GLUON?
"YOLO" will probably be the best new front-end "guide" with a neural network machine learned control process that we only understand how it made itself, but not much about what it made. towardsdatascience.com/yolo-you-only-look-once-real-time-object-detection-explained-492dc9230006
I'm not sure if the precision test was conclusive. After pressure was applied, it returned to the original position. A better test would be to move it to a position, mark the exact point the head is at, then repeat the program and measure again. I suspect it's repeatable precision would be closer to the manufacturer's claim.
I like your video with such detail of explanation about the robotic arm. Nevertheless, the Chinese company seems to don't have any intention to sell Gluon to the public.
@@elektronik1111 It's called Field oriented or vector control. You can actually buy hobby grade electronic speed controllers that utilize this control technology, and you can interface them with hobby grade brushless motors, and an encoder, to build your own highly precise actuators. Some companies making such ESC's- Odrive Robotics - (has everything you need including a forum for trouble shooting, questions and answers, etc) Flipsky Hobbywing Maytech Trampa Boards This is the most exciting thing to happen to motor control, EVER.
Previet, my sons 9 and 5 years old saved for a year to buy a 3d printer to build a robot arm to do their homework :D Do you have a training material I can start teaching them building robot arms step by step? concepts and PoCs? I am a software engineer myself, but I have to start studying electronics again to be able to teach them how to build things.
wow..this is really nice. you can get this arm for just a bit more than 500$ which is better than I expected it to be. Is that carbo fibre I see in the arm
You may be thinking of the 4-axis arm. The 6-axis arm shown in the video is $899.00. The Early Bird price was a couple hundred less. Shipping to USA is an additional $89. I'm glad I ordered before finishing watching this video. I got in on the Early Bird price. Thanks @Skyentific.
@@ddegn the retail version is going to be edging on the price of real industrial robot arms if they increase it by 400$ for retail. Lets hope they do not do that.
What causes backlash, what would be the method to reduce backlash in a robot like this? What are the parameters / costs towards increasing payload ?? - is there a overview video that goes into the acturators and drives that dectate robot arm performance??
I'm a backer, so I'm locked into one of their 6DoF arms no matter what, but would you consider expanding on your performance measurements to include repeatability? I'd love to see what happens if you use the arm to depress the stem of a digital indicator in various orientations. This would ideally be done with the suction cups removed and the base clamped down. Cheers for the great videos, sir!
This has been brought up multiple times in the backer comments, but I'm not aware that anyone with a demo arm has taken a whack at it yet. At least not publicly.
I think your table just degraded that beautiful work of art. Solid table and using a dial indicator would be an accurate test. I think if you didn't have it sitting on a wobbly picnic table you would get the accuracy of what they claim.
Could you recommend Robot arm for industrial type educational purposes? It should be inexpensive and have a UI that is similar to modern industrial robots. I mean have same principle so that learned this robot it is not difficult to learn other robots.
Will you disassemble it a bit and see how it's made? I have a feeling the first rotation engine should be the most powerful, etc., but they all look the same size.
brilliant presentation ....... am very interested in the accuracy and precision and repeatability of this arm measured at each joint .... what is the cumulative errors that build up at each joint ? [ measured at the far end of each arm , away from the joint ] is this open loop ? can the backlash be compensated for ? how well does it hold a fixed position for 15 minutes ? [ you said it is back-drivable ] tests should be done with well secured 500 gram load could another actuator be slaved in parallel to improve power ?
do you know what the encoder specification is ? i found where they claim a 19bit encoder +/- 127 turns does this mean 11 bits per revolution ? where in the motor gearing is the encoder attached ? [ the geared output shaft or on the motor shaft ? ]
i see the kickstarter group is selling the $399 motor for $99 .... what’s up ? looks like you gotta buy a greater than $599 kit and add on is this the motor you were demonstrating earlier ? nov. 6 , 2019
I believe the backlash is because you are using the printed base with the rubber things.. And the company tested without it probably. that is why they say 1mm. try without it :)
Thanks for the video - Do you know if they provide URDF for this robot? I am not able to find it. I'd be interested to adapt it for use with ROS / MoveIt.
This was really interesting, but Kickstarter is a big turn-off. I hope they are able to actually manufacture this in a financially viable way. If this becomes a real product in the future I’ll certainly consider buying one.
I’d like to know how much. I don’t do Kickstarters for complicated tech anymore. Too many bad experiences. Would love to use this for special effects shots on a Sony A7.
@@Skyentific Thank you very much for your reply. That's a shame, although the 2mm play at the end of the arm is a lot, anyway, locking forward to your next video. Keep up the good work :-)
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Can you control it with an android studio app?
@Glyn The AR3 is nice and I see that he has now closed the loops *but* I need to study more. Are these still stepper motors? Is torque limiting possible? This is a very important feature of industrial robots to avoid costly damage.
What language is used to program the robot arm
What was the total cost for the full setup?
I want to buy one
Thank you sir I enjoy your videos very much I'm 64 years of age I have traumatic brain injury and I'm retired it is easy for me to understand you I'd like to say thank you very much
I can see in your eyes it was the best gift that you received for christmas jaja, I guess this robot need a name for the next videos :)
Yes! Exactly! :)
@@Skyentific you just shine with happiness in this video, thank you for the interesting material. P S Do you plan to organize information on the various available electric drives in some form (table of comparative characteristics or something like that)?
Thanks!
Robot: [ super silent operation ]
Movie Director: "Remind me to tell the sound designer to put some dentist whirr sounds over that."
I love your videos. The way you introduce stuff and explain the tech is great. Keep up the great work!
It's very beautiful, congratulations. Thank you for show us that every thing it's possible to do.
Man. I already backed it but holy hell I am impressed with that.
Dealing with the backlash can be solved with some clever locator methods so that's not even a deal breaker. I can't wait to have my hands on this and am so happy I skipped out on all the stepper motor versions of desktop robots.
hey how to set this locators?
Did you ever receive yours? The project was cancelled by Kickstarter and I would like to find out if it was ever released, or what happened?
@@David-iq1kd they cancelled the whole thing and refunded everyone. Somewhat shady business issue and the whole project went under.
Yeah man, nobody will tell you the absolute accuracy, you will always get the the accuracy in reference a teached point, fixed in space and known by the system, called Pose repeatability, even the big industrial robot manufacturers are working like that. You will see it clearly if you do some applications with calculated positions, machine vision etc. Thanks for the video!
This got recommended to me 38 seconds after it got uploaded.
700€ not bad for this magic
i really appreciate your videos .... i apologize for asking for too much effort from you ..... i get too excited watching your videos ...... sorry for overwhelming you
Thank you for your kind comments!
Wow, this looks pretty nice, and for learning robotics theory, compared to the commercial stuff, this is reasonably affordable.
Totally agree!!!
Farley Moab you cannot learn without practice. This robot could help you with this. Theory without application is boring!
Так это же тот самый английский, который понятен всем русским!
Yes, indeed! :)
Аск! Мутко по этим роликам учился ! :)))
Он таким и был наверное изначально ) .
no hablo takataka
Нормальный английский, чем пытаться переучивать акцент. Лучше сосредоточиться на роботах)
Love seeing the passion in you!
yay i got a super early bird spot and was very excited to see that you had been in contact with them when your video notification came a few minutes later! could you please also check the real world payload, movement speeds and backlash in all axis at some point?
what kind of things do you think you'll be doing with this arm?
i would really like to see more about INNFOS' humanoid robots, and maybe replicating them, but maybe also combining this with jetson nano computer vision.
I will do this in the future videos. I also plan to do some AI applications with it.
Wow, an hour later and all the super early bird spots are taken lool
What a great channel. Amazing guy
Great content ! I'm happy to have met you at the Maker Faire, keep going 💪
I can't wait to see your 7DoF arm with the timing belts and cables. You may actually achieve that 0.1mm precision :) Maybe not in the 3D printed version since the frame itself will flex, but the final version should be awesome.
It looks like the biggest difference in mechanics/drive system between these "hobby" type 5-6 DoF arms and "industrial" models is backlash. With 2mm of backlash it probably would be quite hard to use this arm for applications like welding or some precision positioning application. I think something similar but with much smaller backlash and "sane" price point would be a killer product.
cheap robot arm imitation was the best part of this video
Just love your enthusiasm!
I would use a cheap laser pointer and fix it on the end of the arm and run the code several times across all axis and check if the points match previous iterations. Maybe try different paths to test the same endpoints. That should test the precision nicely.
I wrote a mail to the company. They told me that the arm will be available to buy Internationally this July! (2020)
Sebbl3 cool, maybe they will survive. This would be great!
Very nice!!
Hopefully...
Price??
Here we are in July. Did you get a link from them? Looks perfect for a project I'm doing.
OMG, so effin beautiful. Doesn't make a sound and follows your every order. I WANT IT! I WANT IT! I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!I WANT IT!
I'm excited to see your finished arm
Brilliant and so quiet. 👍🏻
Beautiful robot! I'm very much looking forward to your attempt at building a six-axis robotic arm with brushless motors.
It is coming, I am working on it right now! :)
@@Skyentific please make it have a payload of at least 2 kgs and I will buy it. In fact it will sell like hot cakes. Thanks
I second this!can't wait to see it!👊
@@Skyentific I need the names of the sensors used
Making all the motor mounts identical is genius.
awesome robot and set up.
Amazing content!
Once this becomes a product, I will join the line to buy, but so many horror stories about kickstarter, that's not my path to purchasing:)
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Excellent video - thanks for the interesting info.
Thank you for your comment!
If the camera is on the head, you could lay a penny down and go thru the motions and return to see if the penny was in the same frame space for the amera to tell the accuracy.
It looks very cool. If I had 700 euros I would buy it! I'm slowly 3D printing your 6 DOF arm!
Very cool! And under $1000 bucks? Thats pretty amazing.
The modular design is nice, but one of the things I like about your hobby robots is, that the motor size is different per axis. It seems you can get better control and better lifting capacity that way. Do you think the same motor size for each axis is still okay for INFOS GLUON?
Замечательный робот,просто мечта.Большое спасибо.
Great content. Subscribed!!
5:42 Vacuum pump pops out in the background
those planetary gears are so sexy and slim, but 2mm backlash at the end effector is rough. really cool robot though!
It will be very interesting to learn language to programming and understanding mechatronic problems.
Yes! Completely agree!
"YOLO" will probably be the best new front-end "guide" with a neural network machine learned control process that we only understand how it made itself, but not much about what it made. towardsdatascience.com/yolo-you-only-look-once-real-time-object-detection-explained-492dc9230006
I'm not sure if the precision test was conclusive. After pressure was applied, it returned to the original position. A better test would be to move it to a position, mark the exact point the head is at, then repeat the program and measure again. I suspect it's repeatable precision would be closer to the manufacturer's claim.
Ай лайк ёр инглиш! Ёр инглиш из вери андестандбл! ) Robot is pretty good too )
Great review! Is there a teach function?
I like your video with such detail of explanation about the robotic arm. Nevertheless, the Chinese company seems to don't have any intention to sell Gluon to the public.
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Good to mount a camera on the robot? Moving camera shots!
My new future arm! lol Wow impressive! :)
Very smooth!
Nice ! It looks really smooth. Now put a light bulb and cone at the end and redo the Pixar animation :)
Maybe it was not a good idea to use suction cups when measuring the backlash?
I agree with you
thank you
Is it really that silent or did you forget the sound?
It is really that silent!
@@Skyentific That must be some kind of high frequency sorcery.....
@Tukhan Yatim on kickstarter page there are pledge values, one like this one in video is $700-800, 4axis one $520+
@@elektronik1111 It's called Field oriented or vector control. You can actually buy hobby grade electronic speed controllers that utilize this control technology, and you can interface them with hobby grade brushless motors, and an encoder, to build your own highly precise actuators.
Some companies making such ESC's-
Odrive Robotics - (has everything you need including a forum for trouble shooting, questions and answers, etc)
Flipsky
Hobbywing
Maytech
Trampa Boards
This is the most exciting thing to happen to motor control, EVER.
Previet, my sons 9 and 5 years old saved for a year to buy a 3d printer to build a robot arm to do their homework :D
Do you have a training material I can start teaching them building robot arms step by step? concepts and PoCs?
I am a software engineer myself, but I have to start studying electronics again to be able to teach them how to build things.
wow👏👏👏great work
Could you do the grocery weight lift test for torque?
It says payload capacity is 500grms
@@higginpv5715 "it says" is not always the same as "it does," hence the testing
Nice . I like it.
Невероятно тихо и очень плавно!!! Супер!!! Молодец )))
Mantap pak guru
bro, you look like the dream guy "have you seen this man".
Verry cool video! Like Swiss Precision! ;)
Would be interesting to add some absolute distance encoders or DROs to address that backlash via feedback
Очень нарядно. Спасибо. не ожидал такой плавности.
Just great!!!
wow..this is really nice. you can get this arm for just a bit more than 500$ which is better than I expected it to be. Is that carbo fibre I see in the arm
Yes, the links are made from carbon fibre.
You may be thinking of the 4-axis arm. The 6-axis arm shown in the video is $899.00. The Early Bird price was a couple hundred less. Shipping to USA is an additional $89.
I'm glad I ordered before finishing watching this video. I got in on the Early Bird price.
Thanks @Skyentific.
@@ddegn the retail version is going to be edging on the price of real industrial robot arms if they increase it by 400$ for retail. Lets hope they do not do that.
@@exol511 What other arms are available for $1300?
What causes backlash, what would be the method to reduce backlash in a robot like this?
What are the parameters / costs towards increasing payload ??
- is there a overview video that goes into the acturators and drives that dectate robot arm performance??
Прикольная штука получилась!
very goooooood
I'm a backer, so I'm locked into one of their 6DoF arms no matter what, but would you consider expanding on your performance measurements to include repeatability? I'd love to see what happens if you use the arm to depress the stem of a digital indicator in various orientations. This would ideally be done with the suction cups removed and the base clamped down. Cheers for the great videos, sir!
This has been brought up multiple times in the backer comments, but I'm not aware that anyone with a demo arm has taken a whack at it yet. At least not publicly.
Nice robot, any alternatives?
This is great. Were we can get one?
I think your table just degraded that beautiful work of art. Solid table and using a dial indicator would be an accurate test. I think if you didn't have it sitting on a wobbly picnic table you would get the accuracy of what they claim.
Also, what he tested was more of the compliance than the "accuracy" of the robot. Repeatability error is a more meaningful measure.
Great. any future plans for RoboDK drivers?
Could you recommend Robot arm for industrial type educational purposes? It should be inexpensive and have a UI that is similar to modern industrial robots. I mean have same principle so that learned this robot it is not difficult to learn other robots.
I'm seeing huge market potential for this in a hand job application.
Will you disassemble it a bit and see how it's made?
I have a feeling the first rotation engine should be the most powerful, etc., but they all look the same size.
They all the same.
Классное видео и классный робот! Спасибо!
Nice!
What happened with this project? Why it was suspended in kickstarter?? It looks like a really nice affordable arm!
Very impressive robot, can you check the repeatability?
Cool !!!
Out of curiosity - Does it come with some sort hands to grab stuff? So we can have it help around the warehouse.
Unfortunately not. But it is flexible enough to add any custom end effector.
Спасибо! Как всегда интересно.
)) Супер бьютефул!
I want one like this to put a camera and use it to film my workshop projects. Where to find and affordable one?
brilliant presentation ....... am very interested in the accuracy and precision and repeatability of this arm measured at each joint .... what is the cumulative errors that build up at each joint ? [ measured at the far end of each arm , away from the joint ] is this open loop ? can the backlash be compensated for ? how well does it hold a fixed position for 15 minutes ? [ you said it is back-drivable ] tests should be done with well secured 500 gram load
could another actuator be slaved in parallel to improve power ?
your review is much more trustworthy .... you do a great service
do you know what the encoder specification is ? i found where they claim a 19bit encoder +/- 127 turns does this mean 11 bits per revolution ? where in the motor gearing is the encoder attached ? [ the geared output shaft or on the motor shaft ? ]
how much does the suction base contribute to backlash ?
do you have a dial micrometer ?
i see the kickstarter group is selling the $399 motor for $99 .... what’s up ?
looks like you gotta buy a greater than $599 kit and add on
is this the motor you were demonstrating earlier ? nov. 6 , 2019
The kickstarter comes up with the message "Funding Suspended" after $651,975
I wonder why kickstarter suspended their funding?!
Cok guzel calisma benim sormak istedigim motorlari nereden alabilirim ve motorlarda geri bildirim marmi
I believe the backlash is because you are using the printed base with the rubber things.. And the company tested without it probably. that is why they say 1mm.
try without it :)
No, This is thefirst thing I checked. But I should say, that despite this backlash, this is an excellent robot arm for its price.
Good god that thing is pretty!
here is an idea. why not make a arm actuator which you use on your arm then control it via internet?
It's so cute, like a mini CANADA ARM. Now i want to get one to berth my Model Dragon Capsule to My model ISS. now i have some models to make...
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So where can I buy it ?
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Thanks for the video - Do you know if they provide URDF for this robot? I am not able to find it. I'd be interested to adapt it for use with ROS / MoveIt.
when he said ezernet i felt that.
Интересно. Хотелось бы узнать подробнее про проектирование манипуляторов, управление ими. Когда планируется видео на русском?)
Questions; can it 3d print? Can it weld Mig? Laser cut? And router cut? ( adding the specific gear obviously)
Its good I want it, however Im wonder.. What is practical use of these device at home?
Anything you want ;)
Hello, what a great robot, with what kind of electronics are these motors?
This was really interesting, but Kickstarter is a big turn-off. I hope they are able to actually manufacture this in a financially viable way. If this becomes a real product in the future I’ll certainly consider buying one.
you are on the mark .... KS projects can go way off the projected trajectory......
In the end, the project was canceled by Kickstarter anyway.
I’d like to know how much. I don’t do Kickstarters for complicated tech anymore. Too many bad experiences. Would love to use this for special effects shots on a Sony A7.
I wonder why the Kickstarter campaign got suspended, care to elaborate?
They got problems with investors. I don’t have all the details. But soon I will review another very similar robot arm from Amber robotics.
@@Skyentific Thank you very much for your reply. That's a shame, although the 2mm play at the end of the arm is a lot, anyway, locking forward to your next video. Keep up the good work :-)