Never heard one acknowledgement of being too low. Not one acknowledgement of being below glide slope. Not one acknowledgement of losing airspeed and being too slow. I did hear the proper “oh shit” as the plane contacted the ground.
that oh shit was actually my grandfather and he survived this along with everybody else he said after they crashed he thought he was in heaven when he saw the emergency services running recorded the plane
Also. The ILS was not tuned at they had originally planned an approach to another runway but broke off visually to land on this runway. It’s entirely possible that there were glide slope indications that were low and non-representative of the chosen runway.
Absolutely. Configuration and considerations should have been briefed at altitude not up for discussion on final approach. It could have been the distraction that caused them to miss the throttle swap to engine indications.
I think the majority of the talking is actually from the flight engineers and not the pilots. Because you hear a voice that says airspeed which you basically don't hear the entire recording. The FE on the C5 doesn't have an ASI I believe.
"On 3 April 2006, C-5B 84-0059 crashed following a cockpit indication that a thrust reverser was not locked." "The Air Force's accident investigation board report concluded the cause to be human error, most notably the crew had been manipulating the throttle of the dead engine as if it was still running while keeping live engine at idle. The situation was further worsened by the crew's decision to use a high flap setting that increased drag beyond normal two engine capabilities." All survived.
As we can see, lack of crew resource management and situational awareness caught up with them. They were heavy taking off on a trip to Germany, there were several IP's into cockpit. I can imagine the left seater is flying Cessnas now if anything.
2:03 If these are the real telemetric data links, then it shows that the crew briefly throttles the third engine, the engine started to make power, then they cut it to idle right away. Had they kept the 3rd throttle maxed out, they would've saved it.
The PF had #2 out but inadvertently grabbed it's throttle rather than the good #3 so they were trying to land that pig on two engines. You'd think SOMEONE would have noticed that. It's why you IDENTIFY and VERIFY the bad lump.
@dman72 #2 is out, but they pulled the throttle on #3, which meant they were only getting thrust from 2 engines. What you are hearing are two loops. The pilots can't here the engineers chatting. Losing one engine in a C-5 isn't that big of a deal (I've been there before), but losing 2 at high weight is a bad day at the office.
And that’s why once you shut an engine down, you bring the throttle back in line with the rest of them so this confusion doesn’t occur. The engineer and pilots should have looked at N1 indication and immediately seen that they were only using power in two engines. Tragic.
Bradbury Robinson to prevent exactly what happened here. Pulling the throttles back and then accidentally throttling up the dead engine and crashing due to lack of thrust and climb capability.
Lack of a "sterile cockpit" was the direct cause - the so-called throttle-swap was an indirect result of this - resulting in mass-confusion on the part of the PIC. He was trying to listen to "too many cooks spoiling the broth" & lost focus on what was going on. I quite imagine that there have been some massive & serious changes in AF cockpit (CRM) protocol as a result of this outcome evidence. Wonder what the crew is doing nowadays - driving busses for NYC or Chicago Transit, I would imagine...
Not sure why no one looked at engine output N1 when they were not getting power..."that's all we got", no it sure isn't when your 1 and 4 N1 are the only ones indicating useful power. Isn't this really basic stuff? I mean I get the fact that they were on final and focused on the approach but it was evident 60 seconds beforehand that they were very underpowered, Which would have led me to immediately look at engine output.
also may i ask why they were doing the throttles like that anyway? wouldnt it be easier and make more sense to move them as a unit like normal or is there a procedure or what?
@@googaagoogaa12345678 I mean, you're not really going to get a response on using them all as a unit when the #2 engine is dead. I guess it's more or less procedure to manipulate the working engines.
@@googaagoogaa12345678 they had an indication that thrust reverser doors were not locked properly and you really don't want a reversed engine at full speed when you are in the air.
What a collection of errors! At 5NM out it is already bellow glide scope but it did not even maintain altitude to intercede it closer to the airport. It kept losing altitude. Then at 0:43 #1, 3 and 4 engines are brought to idle and then, immediately, #1, 2 (which looks inoperative) and 4 are powered up again. The culprit of all. Now the C5 is flying with two engines instead three. Hard to recover a heavy bird that is going down at more than 500ft/m, with full flaps and two engines at maximum.
Yes - and not maintaining a sterile cockpit GREATLY added to the confusion - to the point where the pilot shut down the wrong engine and actually got lost in the process!! As a CFII/Single/Multi/II/A&P Mech of well over 35 years, I should know a thing or two. Maintaining a sterile cockpit is almost mandatory in virtually every civilian and military transport-category aircraft that I'm aware of - I flew P-3(B) Orion ASW planes in the US Navy for 2-1/2 years - NATOPS is quite adamant about this!!
+paraord1410 The two pilots and flight engineer were in the middle of running a checklist when the throttles were swapped. The only conversation which could even be considered somewhat non-pertinent (the speed chart and flaps setting) didn't involve the two pilots, and all of the live mics were merged together on this copy of the voice recording so it only _sounds_ like they're all talking over each other even though they weren't. That's why one of the engineers didn't know where they were. Besides, the conversation happened *after* the mistake was made. The PIC was silent through most of the proceedings, and since the co-pilot was busy flying the plane, I think the PIC is ultimately responsible for failing to notice the throttle swap. His "bring it out of stick shaker" comment as they were passing above electrical lines a *few feet* above the ground was almost laughable and demonstrates his poor situational awareness skills in general.
Everyone is critiquing the crew but you have to remember they're reservists. Not saying what they did wasn't inexcusable.. I'm just saying give an active duty crew the same situation (or the vast majority of reserve/guard crews) the same situation and they'd be 100 percent fine. Most of these guys flying isn't their job, it's a hobby. There's a reason why the FAA has rules on proficiency.
@@Itapirkanmaa2 It definitely is, but there's really no other way to get then Manning quotas they need. Everyone complains about the money until there's compulsory service or a draft... funny how quickly that ends.
3 engine day became the dreaded 2 engine day we practiced in the sims . Not a lot of thrust to keep a heavy weight day like that airborne , then they go to 100% FLAPS . NOOOOOOOOO. THEN RETRACT THEM TO 40% , Noooooo !! Potential Smokin hole on that page of the -1 ( dash one )
why is it illegal. in the grand scheme of most peoples lives, how does this video being private affect us? its the government treating people like 5 year olds. its not on.
nobody died in this accident. This was never supposed to get out but was leaked. Their was an engine switch when he brought all to idle. Also their were only supposed to be 4o% flaps not 100
i didn't see the crash itself but this happened very near me as i live south of dover. what caused this C5 to crash, it was pilot error mostly, watch the throttles number 2 engine is out and he cuts power to number 3. so the plane is flying on 2 engines and they do the checklist for a 3 engine landing. so he slowed down too much to land safely at the base, the good thing about this crash was the fact that it was good that he was coming in from the south east where no houses were, if he would have came from the northwest, there would have been people killed and a bigger investigation would have taken place.
This crew shouldn't even be in charge of a paper airplane, let alone a huge heavy jet. Sounds like complete dysfunction and amateur hour in the cockpit.
Scorpio Rose this has nothing to do with anything in this Conversation. The first guy said the crash looked like asiana, then the second guy said something about it and you came up with a meme blaming the first guy for not getting it. ***** dumba$$
How do you loose so much situational awareness to forget which motor you had to shut down earlier? You have to pull that dead motor throttle over a detent to shut it down. You would have to pull out on the stick and back over the detent to make that mistake... Not surprised however, I was a crew-chief and have witnessed pilots reading magazines and taking naps in the flight deck.
+18Mortus18 DRAWING CAN NOT UNDERSTAND? I WAS LOOKING FOR A REVIEW INTELLIGENT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! And I thought ONLY 1 EXPLAINING in the obvious way jmvneto51
Never heard one acknowledgement of being too low. Not one acknowledgement of being below glide slope. Not one acknowledgement of losing airspeed and being too slow. I did hear the proper “oh shit” as the plane contacted the ground.
Kenneth Moyer I heard the FE call ‘airspeed’ three times.
that oh shit was actually my grandfather and he survived this along with everybody else he said after they crashed he thought he was in heaven when he saw the emergency services running recorded the plane
Typical for a task-saturated crew. That’s why you brief at altitude and not on final approach.
Also. The ILS was not tuned at they had originally planned an approach to another runway but broke off visually to land on this runway. It’s entirely possible that there were glide slope indications that were low and non-representative of the chosen runway.
I don't mean to judge (I've never flown anything bigger than a Cessna) but it really sounds like the three stooges are flying the plane
I concur...
Absolutely.
Configuration and considerations should have been briefed at altitude not up for discussion on final approach. It could have been the distraction that caused them to miss the throttle swap to engine indications.
Oh it is. And they are all probably generals by now. The AF loves these type of pilots
I think the majority of the talking is actually from the flight engineers and not the pilots. Because you hear a voice that says airspeed which you basically don't hear the entire recording. The FE on the C5 doesn't have an ASI I believe.
"Guys... I'm concerned."
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@@theaviator5637 lol what?
"Guys I'm concerned." 2:01
Pedro Victor LMAO
"On 3 April 2006, C-5B 84-0059 crashed following a cockpit indication that a thrust reverser was not locked."
"The Air Force's accident investigation board report concluded the cause to be human error, most notably the crew had been manipulating the throttle of the dead engine as if it was still running while keeping live engine at idle. The situation was further worsened by the crew's decision to use a high flap setting that increased drag beyond normal two engine capabilities."
All survived.
looks like a 5 year old trying to land in FSX
WTF 120 knots!?!?!? Those guys need an airspeed indicator in front of them; BUT REALLY IN FRONT OF THEM.
As we can see, lack of crew resource management and situational awareness caught up with them. They were heavy taking off on a trip to Germany, there were several IP's into cockpit. I can imagine the left seater is flying Cessnas now if anything.
2:03 If these are the real telemetric data links, then it shows that the crew briefly throttles the third engine, the engine started to make power, then they cut it to idle right away. Had they kept the 3rd throttle maxed out, they would've saved it.
@JonisKanonis All 17 people on board the C-5 survived the crash.
The PF had #2 out but inadvertently grabbed it's throttle rather than the good #3 so they were trying to land that pig on two engines. You'd think SOMEONE would have noticed that. It's why you IDENTIFY and VERIFY the bad lump.
I bet the late great Curt Gowdy would have loved to narrate an episode of "Where are they now" on these guys :-)
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Those vietnamese people boutta get angry by their plants being wrecked 💀
I don't know if there are that many vietnamese people in Delaware growing plants near that airport.
@dman72 #2 is out, but they pulled the throttle on #3, which meant they were only getting thrust from 2 engines. What you are hearing are two loops. The pilots can't here the engineers chatting.
Losing one engine in a C-5 isn't that big of a deal (I've been there before), but losing 2 at high weight is a bad day at the office.
And that’s why once you shut an engine down, you bring the throttle back in line with the rest of them so this confusion doesn’t occur. The engineer and pilots should have looked at N1 indication and immediately seen that they were only using power in two engines. Tragic.
Could either of you explain to a layman why this is the case? Why would you keep the shut down engine lever in line?
Bradbury Robinson to prevent exactly what happened here. Pulling the throttles back and then accidentally throttling up the dead engine and crashing due to lack of thrust and climb capability.
@Benjamin Playford about what?
Lack of a "sterile cockpit" was the direct cause - the so-called throttle-swap was an indirect result of this - resulting in mass-confusion on the part of the PIC. He was trying to listen to "too many cooks spoiling the broth" & lost focus on what was going on. I quite imagine that there have been some massive & serious changes in AF cockpit (CRM) protocol as a result of this outcome evidence. Wonder what the crew is doing nowadays - driving busses for NYC or Chicago Transit, I would imagine...
guys I'm concerned.
Damm you
STOP SAYING THIS SHIT IDIOT
Looks like they're playing a flight simulator
Not sure why no one looked at engine output N1 when they were not getting power..."that's all we got", no it sure isn't when your 1 and 4 N1 are the only ones indicating useful power. Isn't this really basic stuff? I mean I get the fact that they were on final and focused on the approach but it was evident 60 seconds beforehand that they were very underpowered, Which would have led me to immediately look at engine output.
also may i ask why they were doing the throttles like that anyway? wouldnt it be easier and make more sense to move them as a unit like normal or is there a procedure or what?
@@googaagoogaa12345678 I mean, you're not really going to get a response on using them all as a unit when the #2 engine is dead. I guess it's more or less procedure to manipulate the working engines.
@@googaagoogaa12345678 they had an indication that thrust reverser doors were not locked properly and you really don't want a reversed engine at full speed when you are in the air.
the cause of this was a bit stupid but at the end of the day the good part is everyone on board survived and nobody on the ground was hurt
Cause the fuckers were going so slow. It was like an unintentional emergency landing.
When an aircraft is flown by committee....
What is this the fuckin U.N. now?!?
What a collection of errors! At 5NM out it is already bellow glide scope but it did not even maintain altitude to intercede it closer to the airport. It kept losing altitude. Then at 0:43 #1, 3 and 4 engines are brought to idle and then, immediately, #1, 2 (which looks inoperative) and 4 are powered up again. The culprit of all. Now the C5 is flying with two engines instead three. Hard to recover a heavy bird that is going down at more than 500ft/m, with full flaps and two engines at maximum.
It's like neither of them had a clue how to fly
Yes - and not maintaining a sterile cockpit GREATLY added to the confusion - to the point where the pilot shut down the wrong engine and actually got lost in the process!! As a CFII/Single/Multi/II/A&P Mech of well over 35 years, I should know a thing or two. Maintaining a sterile cockpit is almost mandatory in virtually every civilian and military transport-category aircraft that I'm aware of - I flew P-3(B) Orion ASW planes in the US Navy for 2-1/2 years - NATOPS is quite adamant about this!!
+paraord1410 The two pilots and flight engineer were in the middle of running a checklist when the throttles were swapped. The only conversation which could even be considered somewhat non-pertinent (the speed chart and flaps setting) didn't involve the two pilots, and all of the live mics were merged together on this copy of the voice recording so it only _sounds_ like they're all talking over each other even though they weren't. That's why one of the engineers didn't know where they were. Besides, the conversation happened *after* the mistake was made.
The PIC was silent through most of the proceedings, and since the co-pilot was busy flying the plane, I think the PIC is ultimately responsible for failing to notice the throttle swap. His "bring it out of stick shaker" comment as they were passing above electrical lines a *few feet* above the ground was almost laughable and demonstrates his poor situational awareness skills in general.
paraord1410 wrong
@Computer Whisperer go back to reddit then, fedora
@@iggy082 I know this comment is 2 years ago but what do you mean?
Everyone is critiquing the crew but you have to remember they're reservists. Not saying what they did wasn't inexcusable.. I'm just saying give an active duty crew the same situation (or the vast majority of reserve/guard crews) the same situation and they'd be 100 percent fine.
Most of these guys flying isn't their job, it's a hobby. There's a reason why the FAA has rules on proficiency.
An expensive hobby for the US taxpayer.
@@Itapirkanmaa2 It definitely is, but there's really no other way to get then Manning quotas they need. Everyone complains about the money until there's compulsory service or a draft... funny how quickly that ends.
Tragically embarrassing.
pull up terrain terrain pull up terrain terrain pull up pull up terrain terrain
How can be 200-250 feet below glide slope ?
3 engine day became the dreaded 2 engine day we practiced in the sims . Not a lot of thrust to keep a heavy weight day like that airborne , then they go to 100% FLAPS . NOOOOOOOOO. THEN RETRACT THEM TO 40% , Noooooo !! Potential Smokin hole on that page of the -1 ( dash one )
I was thinking they seemed a little far out and low for full flaps... yes, more lift, but so much airspeed lost too...
why is it illegal. in the grand scheme of most peoples lives, how does this video being private affect us? its the government treating people like 5 year olds. its not on.
nobody died in this accident. This was never supposed to get out but was leaked. Their was an engine switch when he brought all to idle. Also their were only supposed to be 4o% flaps not 100
do you have more MAAF animations?
@jmvneto51 meant: '...to intersect it...'
i didn't see the crash itself but this happened very near me as i live south of dover. what caused this C5 to crash, it was pilot error mostly, watch the throttles number 2 engine is out and he cuts power to number 3. so the plane is flying on 2 engines and they do the checklist for a 3 engine landing. so he slowed down too much to land safely at the base, the good thing about this crash was the fact that it was good that he was coming in from the south east where no houses were, if he would have came from the northwest, there would have been people killed and a bigger investigation would have taken place.
This crew shouldn't even be in charge of a paper airplane, let alone a huge heavy jet. Sounds like complete dysfunction and amateur hour in the cockpit.
it crash like asiana airlines flight 214
Scorpio Rose this has nothing to do with anything in this Conversation. The first guy said the crash looked like asiana, then the second guy said something about it and you came up with a meme blaming the first guy for not getting it. ***** dumba$$
What game is this game if you where I'm going to give you a share and sign up for you
How do you loose so much situational awareness to forget which motor you had to shut down earlier? You have to pull that dead motor throttle over a detent to shut it down. You would have to pull out on the stick and back over the detent to make that mistake... Not surprised however, I was a crew-chief and have witnessed pilots reading magazines and taking naps in the flight deck.
Thats fine when you're in cruise on autopilot.. not when you have a dead engine and you're heavy.
One question is that from air crash investigation (as known mayday)?
I hear NO checklists. Lots of folks talking; no one listening or checking anything.
What were the other circumstances? Was fatigue an issue?
Okay, read the report, yeah they suck.
is the stall alarm from the simulator i think it is
Did they survive.??
Yes
They all survived
Did they dieded?
its says about 2:00
3 stooges comment is the winner
its called freedom of speech
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with it. NTSB reports are confidential until the investigation is complete. After that they are publicly available
It's also called, "use your fuckin' head" you dipshit.
Worst case of NTS
@Benjamin Playford yes
Asiana 214
Did they survive?
JonisKanonis a little late on this reply... but ya
you know youneed to get a little more up if u know what I mean k and point the nose up about 1/4 th way than what you did
why did this happen ? DME should tell them they are to far from airport
+18Mortus18 DRAWING CAN NOT UNDERSTAND?
I WAS LOOKING FOR A REVIEW INTELLIGENT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!
And I thought ONLY 1 EXPLAINING in the obvious way jmvneto51
+18Mortus18 This had NOTHING to do with distance from the airport. WATCH THE VIDEO, it shows EXACTLY what happened.
They extended the broken engine instead of the working one, so they are running only 2 engines and extended the flaps which increased the drag.
Pretty sure this is from a sim session.
no my grandfather was in the plane during the crash
y como hacen esas animaciones??
En el juego de flight simulator
Typical yankee air force cadets
@WilshirecityBlues lol and a few more
im not a pilot of any kind i can make a better landing
This video should not be on youtube; it says at the end; For Official Use Only.
Can someone report this to youtube as a violation of policies?
That only applies during the investigation. It becomes public once the investigation is final
IT SHOULD BE ON TH-cam! THICK BAD DRUNK JANE
Jane YOU ARE AN IDIOT the video is on TH-cam and never never will reported