I remember at an airshow a crewmember telling me about an incident where a C-5 lost control but it was at higher altitude then this one. Don't remember the details, perhaps a trim issue. They went vertical, stalled, inverted then recovered. This was also at cruise speed.
The nose should have been pushed over (not pulled up) as the throttles were advanced for a quick recovery instead of a near death experience! For IMC the pilot flying (PF) was not monitoring his instruments and he damn sure was not monitoring the airspeed for the approach. I commend the pilot not flying (PNF) for her verbal input and cool during their encounter! I had a few bad pilots try to kill me over my 29 year career, but I was not having it! -Retired E-3/C-141/KC-10 Evaluator FE
She kept her cool, but also distracted the pilot flying with a low priority INS fault as they were passing the final approach fix, also failed to monitor the airspeed, and again distracted the PF with a low priority engine temperature warning as they were already stalled. Mistakes were made by both.
@@kewkabe She was right to flag the INS fault. It's the commander's decision how much attention he pays to it. The PM didn't make the engine temp warning, that was the FE. The PM called the PF's attention to power, speed, and altitude before the stall but the PF didn't respond. The PM made excellent calls during the stall. It is disingenuous to say that "mistakes were made by both".
There was a known issue where panels on the forward slats would not seat properly and this is shown by a warning on a annunciator panel. This also disables the stick shaker. They entered a stall unknowingly which became a full blown stall. The assumed it was a wind shear. Long story short the female copilot a full time AF pilot got pregnant and the pilot a pt time was told resign and get a hon discharge or don't and you might lose your wings AND the airline you fly for might find out. He resigned.
Of course if they had been paying attention to the AoA and speed, they would have known right away something was wrong. Hoping to God I never flew on any of their flights. Glad to still be here. The recovery wasn't a feat of airmanship, it was blind luck.
Stall warning is screaming and they tell it to shut up, they yank the nose up with only 120 knots of air speed - these had to be the most incompetent pilots the USAF had to offer at that point
That was a landing gear warning, they had just put the gear down. It took a bit to indicate down and locked. The stall warning (Stall limiter ) starts at about 2:14
Go- Pilot should have advanced the throttles. She had good call outs but failed to take action when needed. Pilot flying got told to resign. He’s probably flying for Spirit right now. 😂
Give her a break, she's not watching a video from home like we are. She just took to rollercoaster of her life and it's amazing that she lived through it. She said she had no idea what it was and ventured a blind guess.
Astonishing the cargo did not break out of its restraints resulting in a shift in the aircraft's center of gravity that would have doomed the aircraft.
I bet the grim reaper is still pretty pissed about this one. That crew should have been his for sure. I wonder if this crew understands that AoA and KIAS gauge thingys now?!
It was Cougar. He lost his wings or turned them in. These 2 were arguing about whose fault it was. Haha. In fairness, there was no stall warning. Lucky he had enough altitude to recover. I say well done.
He resigned from USAF reserve bc he flew for a commercial airline and didn't want to lose both of his jobs when he was under investigation. He might have been cleared of any wrongdoing. At least he didn't lose his life, that's something.
Having lived on the "Footprint" I was used to C5's in and out. They were making the turn around to the north approach and screwed the pooch big time. There was zero skill in that recovery...just pure luck. Both the PF and the PM hopefully ended up flying a Mk1 Desk after that.
The military has a higher accident rate than the civilian world... the training is not as frequent and the CRM is really lacking across all branches, its surprising they didn't plant this one in
Are you comparing this to the airlines or GA? Because GA has way more crashes than the military does. The airlines barely have any because most are ex-military pilots or experienced regional pilots. Also I would say half of your statements may be based on old data cause CRM is huge in the crew military aircraft. It is beaten into our heads all the time.
Damn fuck me. How lucky they where to recover that stall. There are with like how many people and no one notched they pitched too high (or the plane itself) and where closing on stall speed? Again, damn they where lucky, I thought they would crash.
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I saw 50 knots and the wing drop and my first thought was “I don’t remember this crash”. I can’t believe they recovered from that.
I remember at an airshow a crewmember telling me about an incident where a C-5 lost control but it was at higher altitude then this one. Don't remember the details, perhaps a trim issue. They went vertical, stalled, inverted then recovered. This was also at cruise speed.
Me too, I thought for sure they were going in and was thinking, "I don't remember hearing about this crash."
Holy fuck I can't believe they recovered. That looked hopeless.
My God! Full stall with 50 KIAS, 90 AoB AND less than 2000? And recovered! That’s got to be luck more than skill.
Skin of their damn teeth. What do you reckon -- low cargo mass and drained tanks? The big cargo jets can really shift if they're set up like that.
It had to be that amazing high wing that generates lots of lift..
@@aviationworld8939 surprisingly didn’t fall off too😂
I'll bet many beers were had at the O-Club that night.
I held my breath watching this
Change in their voices says everything.
The nose should have been pushed over (not pulled up) as the throttles were advanced for a quick recovery instead of a near death experience! For IMC the pilot flying (PF) was not monitoring his instruments and he damn sure was not monitoring the airspeed for the approach. I commend the pilot not flying (PNF) for her verbal input and cool during their encounter! I had a few bad pilots try to kill me over my 29 year career, but I was not having it! -Retired E-3/C-141/KC-10 Evaluator FE
She kept her cool, but also distracted the pilot flying with a low priority INS fault as they were passing the final approach fix, also failed to monitor the airspeed, and again distracted the PF with a low priority engine temperature warning as they were already stalled. Mistakes were made by both.
@@kewkabe She was right to flag the INS fault. It's the commander's decision how much attention he pays to it. The PM didn't make the engine temp warning, that was the FE. The PM called the PF's attention to power, speed, and altitude before the stall but the PF didn't respond. The PM made excellent calls during the stall. It is disingenuous to say that "mistakes were made by both".
@@blueb0g i agree hell if anything the PF was way more at fault then PM
C-141 FE, 14th MAS/63rd MAW, Norton 68-74
@@clearjet Nice!
that copilot saved the day... broke the misplaced attention and got the pilot to unload the wings to break the stall.
The lady pilots words likely saved the day here. Any more pull out and they were fully gone
I'm always amazed at how many pilots pull up even though they shouldn't, even after lots of training.
Wow they recovered at that low of altitude without even knowing what was going on
How TF did they save that? Jesus.
They saved nothing, they got lucky.
HOW!?!
The horror of the alarm sound of "Sinkrate, whoop whoop pull up"
There was a known issue where panels on the forward slats would not seat properly and this is shown by a warning on a annunciator panel. This also disables the stick shaker. They entered a stall unknowingly which became a full blown stall. The assumed it was a wind shear. Long story short the female copilot a full time AF pilot got pregnant and the pilot a pt time was told resign and get a hon discharge or don't and you might lose your wings AND the airline you fly for might find out. He resigned.
Wow that looked so hopeless and you can clearly hear the FO was shaken.. They were very lucky and PIC was saving everyone..
How do you manage to not notice your airspeed go into the red, especially while flying something that massive and continue to pull up.
The C-5 did not have red indication on the airspeed indicators at that time
Of course if they had been paying attention to the AoA and speed, they would have known right away something was wrong. Hoping to God I never flew on any of their flights. Glad to still be here. The recovery wasn't a feat of airmanship, it was blind luck.
They managed to save the plane and, ultimately, their lives. Their underwear, however, didn’t make it unsoiled.
They were all in tears afterwards.
Stall warning is screaming and they tell it to shut up, they yank the nose up with only 120 knots of air speed - these had to be the most incompetent pilots the USAF had to offer at that point
That was a landing gear warning, they had just put the gear down. It took a bit to indicate down and locked. The stall warning (Stall limiter ) starts at about 2:14
700 ft at that lowest altitude !
that was insane...can't believe they made it!
Go- Pilot should have advanced the throttles. She had good call outs but failed to take action when needed. Pilot flying got told to resign. He’s probably flying for Spirit right now. 😂
Either that or he became OIC of the chow hall! 😂
Or Aerosucre….
He's with DHL and is full-time flying rubber dogsh!+ out of Hong Kong.
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What the hell must that have looked like on the ground!
She saying to Tower: "it might have been wind shear" my a$$!
Give her a break, she's not watching a video from home like we are. She just took to rollercoaster of her life and it's amazing that she lived through it. She said she had no idea what it was and ventured a blind guess.
clutch callouts and teamwork holy
I remember attending the briefing on this with the Wing
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They go from 209 to 120 in about 30 seconds. Why the rush when they are over 4500 ft up?
PNF saved them
Astonishing the cargo did not break out of its restraints resulting in a shift in the aircraft's center of gravity that would have doomed the aircraft.
Might have been empty. I cant see them surviving if it was packed full of cargo.
If this was loaded with cargo no way it would recovered with only 2000ft
@@wsx2000lol It didnt recover at 2000 feet, 750.
1:40 wtf they had no idea what they are doing
i know the whole damn time im yelling at my monitor "STICK FORWARD!" this was insane
"tower, stand the F**k by"
Its been a while, but I don't think a slat malfunction could disable the Stall limiter system
Damn! Scary situation
I bet the grim reaper is still pretty pissed about this one. That crew should have been his for sure. I wonder if this crew understands that AoA and KIAS gauge thingys now?!
I’m surprised they survived that, to be honest. Windshear my arse however.
i'd say that wind shear was definitely followed by diarrhoea
It was Cougar. He lost his wings or turned them in. These 2 were arguing about whose fault it was. Haha. In fairness, there was no stall warning. Lucky he had enough altitude to recover. I say well done.
He resigned from USAF reserve bc he flew for a commercial airline and didn't want to lose both of his jobs when he was under investigation. He might have been cleared of any wrongdoing.
At least he didn't lose his life, that's something.
He's now flying rubber dogsh!+ out of Hong Kong.
I always thought that C-5's were always underpowered before the re engine program and they became C-M.
Analysis post landing revealed the brown marks in the water and runway matched the stains in the pilots underwear
Having lived on the "Footprint" I was used to C5's in and out. They were making the turn around to the north approach and screwed the pooch big time. There was zero skill in that recovery...just pure luck. Both the PF and the PM hopefully ended up flying a Mk1 Desk after that.
Not a case of somebody didn't do something right and more a case of they all did something wrong. WTF was the Co-pilot looking at, let alone the PF.
2:13 you sure that’s not a male cat dying?
2:14
It could be the bank angle or stall alarm.
They are lucky asf😯😯😯😯
Alot of not paying attention going on it that flight deck.
The military has a higher accident rate than the civilian world... the training is not as frequent and the CRM is really lacking across all branches, its surprising they didn't plant this one in
They don't fly nearly as much, that's for sure.
Are you comparing this to the airlines or GA? Because GA has way more crashes than the military does. The airlines barely have any because most are ex-military pilots or experienced regional pilots. Also I would say half of your statements may be based on old data cause CRM is huge in the crew military aircraft. It is beaten into our heads all the time.
Damn fuck me. How lucky they where to recover that stall. There are with like how many people and no one notched they pitched too high (or the plane itself) and where closing on stall speed? Again, damn they where lucky, I thought they would crash.
Disturbing
2:20
Dover Reserve Wing...