Nietzsche didn't "believe" in eternal recurrence -- he just used it as a thought experiment for people to figure out whether they're living the life they want. In a way, it's like him asking "If you had to eternally relive your life the same way you've lived it up until now -- would it be a blessing or a curse? What conclusions can you make from this?"
Yeah. That's exactly what Neil said. EDIT- It's disheartening that this comment and many in this thread seem to lack basic listening skills. So I'll help you out - Neil literally says Nietzsche viewed eternal recurrence as a thought experiment TWICE. At 2:00 and 3:58
my last 2 dmt trips were like this. 1 of them, i saw the rest of my life go on and when i came out of it, i felt eternally grateful and so happy to be back in my body in this time. i dont want my life to go on that path. Last night in Joshua Tree, my trip was me being on a conveyor belt going thru my timeline again. when i opened my eyes, there was a pink geometric patterned net in the form of a dome that stretched out for what i can only guess was a few miles. I keep on thinking and saying to myself, "i need to change", "i cant let my life go on like this", and then today, this pops up on my feed... i can't pretend to understand whats going on, but i think its something special and we should all continue to believe we have the ability to create a better version of ourselves.
My trip had conveyor belts in it too. I totally left the entire scope of reality into another separate realm, where I could look down and to the right and see all of my existence. When I left, I saw myself fall and thought, _That's going to hurt!_ Then I was in the separate place. Behind me was a light. The light didn't cast any rays or make any shadows, but if I looked up and to the right I could see it. When I would turn away, I saw no trace of it...but still knew it was there. So I would look again to see if the light was there and sure enough...it was. So I peeked inside the light and say a room that looked like a stereogram. When I began to focus, I could see pillar in all directions and these conveyor belts moving off into the distances towards a light. On the conveyer belts where little jester head heading towards the light. One of them noticed me and I looked away. I thought, _Don't look back there or it'll know._ So I looked back anyway and it saw me. It then floated up to me and began showing me how happy it was I was there and welcomed me. I said, "Nope" When I pulled my head out of the light I began to go down. Kind of like that feeling you get with an elevator, but without any sound or clanking of gears. I was then in a place with demons. They were dark silhouettes in a dark place and the only thing I could see of them were teeth and eyes. Their eyes and teeth looks like the eyes and teeth of the Electric Gremlin in the movie Gremlins 2: The New Batch. Only instead of blue they were the color you see when you close your eyes and press your eyes in a dark room. That color. Then I realized none of the demons couldn't see me. They were snarling and snapping on each other like a zombie hoard. Just billions of them...EVERYWHERE. But they couldn't see me. So I began to walk through them and after a second decided to leave before they "could" see me. So I stepped up out of the place. Just stepped right out of hell, like stepping up on a cross fit block. Then I started to hear my buddy helping me to the grass so I went back to my reality.
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” ― Bill Hicks
Why give acid a bad name just cause your a f$cking Doorknob If he thought he could fly .why didn’t he try it from the ground first Now he’s ruined it for everybody..
I remember when i was 18 hanging out at a friends house. I looked up towards the sky and for some reason thinking im gonna be 30 in 12 years, it felt like it would be long time til 30 ... Im 51 now!... time goes bye so fast its mind blowing!
For sure...and the older you get the faster a year goes by...I can’t believe sometimes that something I think happened a year ago actually happened 4 or 5 yrs ago. Especially if you work night shift or swing the time seems to really blow by. I am almost 38 now and being 20 only seems like it was a few years ago..life is short.
@@BFaluup true I work swing shifts but it’s also that our perception of time is relative. When we’re young we haven’t experienced much time so it feels as if it goes by so slow but the more time we experience the less we notice it blowing past us.
What I understood about Nietzsche eternal recurence is that in fact, every moment will repeat itself to inifnity as Neil was describing but I found empowering that I have the will to decide how this moment will be in eternity . It can be paradise or hell. Just ask yourself now, if I´m going to come back to this moment time after time, for all eternity, how I want this moment to be? I rather make it a "good" moment. In that way I escape nihilism.
Kind of like how schizophrenics get into delusional belief systems and create their own subjective hell... Scale that delusion up to a cultural level.. Lol
@@leothesouthpaw if YOU are here for eternity it doesn't matter if this is the first time, or the 983737. But on that aspect , a book written by Anthony Peake, speculates with the eternal return,inmortality, time etc and extends precisely in what you are talking about. The book is called. "Is there life after death?
I don't believe Nietzsche really believed this but merely put it forward as a thought experiment. No one could really believe it all the time or they would either commit suicide or become and automaton and then, feeling this too was a waste of time, a catatonic schizophrenic. Know yourself.
@@socratese5 Its because you cant prove or disprove solopsism. Its the kind of thing an absolute nutter would believe that doesnt have the capacity to think critically. How would one go about proving everything I consider to be "real" is actually an illusion? Any data you show me as evidence will just be rejected as part of the illusion and not real. Its a lose-lose philosphy that as I said, only actual crazy or extremely stupid people would believe
The scary thing about eternal recurrence is not the idea of having to relive every moment, emotion or scenario, but the fact that eternal recurrence means every moment is meaningful and lives on in eternity.
And the devil; the True Devil will teach you to fear and fight against it, and God will teach you to submit and embrace it. Your perspective will determine if you will experience it as heaven or hell for all of eternity. Which is just an observation, don't take it as truth or anything lol.
I like to mix this story in with the story of the egg. Meaning we will actually reincarnate as every soul to exist. But that we will also do it over and over again for eternity
Or meaningless because there is never a chance to learn or alter the path. I feel like the thought process of believing eternal recurrence is its own sort of prison. If one thought every choice was pre determined because of this life long groundhog day, then you could choose to go play ball, stop dead in your tracks and decide nah, I'm gonna watch a movie instead, then change your mind again and go to the park, no go on a run, wait I'll work on the car, ah fuck it, no matter what I choose its already what I would have chosen no matter what so what's the point of choosing at all? Oh wait, if I don't choose, that's the choice. If I kill myself it just starts again only to end the same way. That way of thinking makes nihilism sound like Saturday morning cartoons in comparison. It could drive a person mad if they lack the mental fortitude. Interesting AF though. Love this stuff
bruh if this shit were true it means a baby that lived for 1 week just constantly dies lol. regardless its extremely unlikely this is true its a philosphical concept/thought experiment. im not sure why this is what this guy chose to literally believe in
When Joe asked if he thinks about it during directing I thought he was going to say because what your describing is like a film. The plot is predetermined and yet still has to be acted out and once it's over it can be watched over and over again from a different dimension, expect it's the 3rd dimension looking down onto the 2nd
Except, life isn't a film because we learn. The eternal return is removing experience, learning or consciousness from the equation. I find it amazing that Joe Rogan picks up on this intuitively, when he keeps asking, 'but why can't we learn?'. 99.99% of people don't actually pick up on this from Nietzsche's eternal return.
Me and my friend discussed this last time we tripped. literally. this hits the spot and this is what life is narrowed down to being. us just walking into infinite moments that have already happened and are happening all at once
I understand Nietzsche different here though. I do not for a second believe he literally ment or believed that you would eternally relieve the exact same life. Rather I understood it that it would be good or rather Übermensch-like, to try to live your life in such a way that if you had to relieve it the same over and over exactly the same you could accept it. At least that is how I understood it, that one should try to live a life you can so to speak, "stand behind" and affirm if you were ever questioned over it. That of course does not mean one needs to live a perfect life (if there is such a thing), rather that you have a, maybe, lust and passion for life itself. Not to cling to it, but to be able to accept it the way it is.
@@yuumizedong2574 nope, "for extraordinary claim we need extraordinary evidences" so i have question for you where is the proof of eternal recurrence ??
One day I was way to high, and had this unshakable awaness, that my entire life was predetermined, and it will repeat over and over, into eternity.And that Deja Vu, was a remembrance of one of the past times you lived this life before.
He’s misrepresenting Nietzsche here imho. Nietzsche’s thought experiment of eternal recurrence was in support of his life affirming philosophy. He expected the average person to first greet the idea with horror, but if you could see this life as something you’d be willing, and even eager, to do it forever, it would be the ultimate expression of life affirmation. And the idea goes back to at least the Greeks, who believed the universe was cyclical. Oddly, if we find that the universe eventually stops expanding and begins to contract, it could actually be true
goes back to the ancient indians, believed every thing on this universe is a cyclical process, there is going to birth for something that is dead and vice versa, the karmic action what you sow is what you reap is a perfect illustration for that.
He may not be expressing the concept perfectly, but he has the right idea... Reread the part where he says, (roughly)"would you fall down gnashing your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus or would you declare, 'you are a god and never have I heard anything more godlike' "... Which is to say once you know your predicament you would realize you can make better choices and live a great life eternally OR one would just feel screwed and(like a fool) continue making the same follies instead of adjusting your life to get the best outcome possible... The latter part of this answer is a simplified version though, pretty sure he meant to express a deep deep horror upon one realizing his burden that he cast upon himself...
I think you're 100% right. I always thought that what Nietzsche meant was that if you look at your life and you want to know if you've lived a good life, then you would have no problem living it over and over again. I think Neill got it wrong, you don't live the same thing forever, you ACT like you will and that will determine how you live your life. What he's saying, doesn't even make sense.
There is a few interpretation of Nietzsche's concept, the main interpretation is not an ontological and metaphysical one about some sort of literal repetition, it is being read as an ethical proposition, live your life with the idea in mind that it could repeat itself over and over again.
@@carlosparra8976 An ontological statement it a statement about the being of something, for exemple, "laws of physics EXISTS outside of our conceptualisation of them". Something ontologically positive is something that exists. Ontology deals with existence. And the proposition that we live our lives over and over again is an ontological one because it implies that Nietzsche thought of the eternal return as something that exists, as something that happens.
Man, my views about life and death are a bit different: That free will indeed exists and that we (the universe and existence in general) are inevitable. When we die, an amount of time passes unperceivable to us (the deceased, because our consciousness is gone; dispersed) and we inevitably form into a new consciousness, in a different form, time, place, and possibly, new universe if the universe we once lived in finally dissipated while we were dead. Everyone reading this comment has won the existential lottery by simply existing here, but also this was inevitable. We may experience thousands, if not billions of existences, and even one day, may return to an existence that is almost exactly like this one we have now.
This is a taoist belief and I think it's beautiful, and I do think it makes complete sense. Alan Watts once said "anything that happens once, doesn't happen at all" meaning existence itself is similar to a sine wave rather than a once off occurrence. What a beautiful realization
This has been talked about for a millenia. The stoics are some of the wisest people to ever exist, from Marcus Aurelius to Seneca. They too believed in a deterministic, looping reality. And designed a philosophy of detachment from the abstract to modify ones perspective on life in the most pragmatic terms. Stoicism has a sage which is to embody true oneness with all your decisions by way of knowing the preordained nature of reality and accepting it. You are a trainer of the body known as yourself. A captain behind the wheel of a ship it envelopes.
@@woodpass choosing to ignores things you can’t change is a choice. Acknowledging that learned experience brought you to that outcome and it was inevitable. But still acknowledging that you still need to decide, even if the choice was decided for you.
@@woodpass that’s part of the paradox of free will. You can’t become catatonic of your bias and experiences. Even genetics play a major role in your course in life. Your attractiveness, your height. All these things are factors when deciding who you’ll be. And news flash, most of them, they aren’t up to you. Especially when we’re vulnerable like children and if your set of circumstances lead you to sadness and no guidance and suddenly you’re 18 with assault on your record, good luck not feeling the weight of capitalism on your shoulders. Good luck finding a job, you’ll resort to crime to get your needs met. Especially if you don’t have a helping hand. Which is generally a part of the reason why creating more equitable environment with more of an incentive on collaboration than competition, would be likely better public health outcomes. Stratify all these variables across all the citizenry of a nation and you’ll see the systemic outcome of public health and crime, intersecting.
@@camb546 free will and determinism are mutually exclusive. You aren’t a victim of your circumstances. You are gifted with the freedom to move within them. Its a tough pill to swallow to acknowledge that your failures weren’t predetermined but entirely your own doing, but it is likewise empowering to know that you create your successes by making good decisions. There is not middle ground, that is called intellectual fence sitting. You are either a predeterministic product of circumstance or you are a sovereign individual with free will and the capacity to choose.
I was on board to the point he kind of implies that the universe only repeats in one version. Basically it's similar to a multiverse scenario, where many different versions of you will come to exist, including the version you are now, and ALL versions, or possible timelines, will repeat eternally. (But not necessarily in overlapping realities as multiverse suggests, but could be one at a time as the universe infinitely cycles)
Imagine believing this nonsense then shitting on religion (not saying you are) but damn it I hate anyone who quotes nietzsche without realising the man was a depressed and unhappy person that only created more sad an unhappy people. Science is a religious doctrine at this point. Don't tell me you understand quantum physics when no one does. Its literally the NWO religion and they already back tracking
I find some very *positive* moments in Ketamine Kent, and some where the SAME scene can be positive or negative where the same loop of music( I IDENTIFY IT as NWA's Parental Discretion is advised...but it's like the first time i ever heard it, every time), and the same "scene", I am lying on my back, in the *NEGATIVE* version of this loop of "J'amais Vu" I have been run over while cycling and am lying on my back in a ditch,(in the WORST version I have been run over on purpose and am awaiting the people who did this to finish me off), in the positive version I am lying on top of a MASSIVE structure, while that loop blares, and Airplanes are flying over me in the same direction and style as the end of the movie "Heat", but all is good, all is as it should be, and every loop, and beat and Plane are positive thoughts and words.
I think this guy is way off. Life is what you make it. You can ride it like a river or paddle against the current. Time is a construct. It bends, stretches. Take time out of it and look at existence as a whole. We are literally a microcosm of an infinite system. Know your role, treat people how you want treated, and make it cleaner than you found it. Pretty simple stuff.
I dont think anything you said contradicts what he's saying. You can do all those things within the theoretical construct of eternal recurrence. That said, I hope that it's not right because that would literally be hell, even if you did live exactly how you outlined, inside of eternal recurrence you would be in a never ending loop with no novelty whatsoever. What you perceived to be living your best life through a series of free will choices would actually just be an infinite repetitive pattern with no end and no begining.
@@bjornlucent6307 100%. I was just saying that unfortunately being a good person wouldn't contradict what this guy is saying. Also like you said, we dont know. Thank God. If eternal recurrence was true I think knowing for a fact it was true would be what made it a living hell.
I have always had a similar weird thought that you can't die in your own life. If a deadly experience happens to you, your consciousness seemlessly moves to another reality where you didn't die. When other people die the same thing happens and they continue their life in another reality not knowing the difference, but they're dead in your reality.
I thought that too, but what if something happens to you that you know for sure cant be survived? Like your head getting cut off by a train or something similar?
Anthony Peake says something similar in that your never die in your universe (paraphrasing) I struggle to understand that but its nonetheless fascinating
Prophetic dreams give you a glimpse of the literal future. I’ve had them a lot so I get deja vu about the “dreams” if you want to call them that. I don’t know how more people aren’t amazed by prophetic dreams. It’s essentially your mind time traveling.
I was trying to explain this how this happens to me pretty regularly, like I’ll have a dream about whatever, then bam a couple months or even years later I’ll be somewhere, and I feel like a rubber band snaps me back into reality and out of my head for a moment, and it’s I’m sitting in the middle of the exact scene that I dreamt however long ago
@@Ilych367 That’s a great way of describing it. Me and my brother both have this happen pretty often and it’s cool hearing about it from other people. I want to get a whole bunch of us people together, or something that would help us understand just how it’s possible.
Your comment brougth up a deja vu I had maybe 7 years ago when I was about 20. I was going to visit my sister in Malaga Spain, a few weeks before flying over there I told here I had a dream being their with her at the beach/bay walking along the water. When I was there, after having a stop at this frozen yoghurt place, we started to walk back, and suddenly I stopped her when I saw the playing ground from my dreams, and I told her a family would come from the left with a stroller and two kids running towards the red entrance gate. This was so strange when it happened infront of me. I did not even remember the dream until The colourful fence of the playing ground shot me back into it. Weirdest experience ever and it felt so lively, with my eyes staring in front of me but not really seeing reality, all I saw was the dream playing out while it happened in real life
@@thejourneytofreedom9959 Yeah it’s a weird experience. I’ve had A LOT in the past year. Definitely more than 20 I’d say. Some are more intense than others, like the one you had. While some you’ll barely feel the deja vu yet still remember the dream. I’ve also found that sometimes there’ll be slight variations between the dream you had and the actual event. But that’s only been happening recently for me. I want to study why this happens. I really don’t understand why there’s not a ton of coverage on the fact. Our brain is doing time travel and giving us sneak peaks of the future. That’s pretty interesting.
@@branmar5817 "In 10 years, nanobots in your blood might keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud. According to some futurists, in the next 10 or so years, your blood could be streaming with tiny nanorobots to help keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud."
The idea of the eternal recurrence was not a BELIEF it was a thought experiment. The highest affirmation of life is if a demon said to you "you will relive your life, in the exact same way forever", would you curl in a bawl and curse your fate, or accept it as the ultimate test of belief in your life. It was not meant to be taken literally.
bruh you clearly didn't read Thus Spoke Zarathustra or The Will to Power or you didn't understand them at all. In those books, eternal recurrence is clearly more than a thought experiment.
Its not locked in place, there are infinite possibilities and realities that co exist and already "exist", and throughout your life depending on the choices you make you can experience or "unlock" different outcomes of things different next time. You can experience a lot of those outcomes throughout many many reincarnations until you unlock your ascendance out of that matrix. Otherwise what is the point.
@@jeremydevita4932 that's from the gay science. And I've read them both multiple times. He doesn't call it a thought experiment but I think you're reaching if you think he actually believed it.
Life is not repeated as it is, you have a different life everytime. Everyone is born again and again to learn lessons and become the best version of themselves
That and he gets to live the same awesome rich life over and over again, while little Billy gets to die an agonizing death from cancer at 8 years old over and over for all eternity! What a putz!
People are always overcomplicating Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. After Nietzsche did away with God, souls, Heaven and Hell, etc., he still had to come up with a philosophical guide for how we should live our lives. So he came up with the Eternal Recurrence. We should live our lives as if we were destined to re-live that same life for an eternity. Whatever it is you're doing now, you should want to do it again in your next life, and the life after that, and so on, forever and ever.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi. In fact, he hated Anti-Semites. He also hated German nationalists. The Nazis ignored that part of his philosophy when they adopted it.
I am a diagnosed skitzopheic and I was thinking like this when I had mmy last breakdown I wanted to be born again as someone else or remove myself from the timeline I've had some spiritual experiences that really makes me have faith in a higher power I saw a man made out of stars and he told me everything was going to be okay idk if 8 was dreaming with my eyes open or what but it scared the living shit out of me I started freaking out about who to worship
I can say almost the same about my dream state. I have the ability to change it if I absolutely mentally push it. However, everything else feels like it’s on a track.
He didn’t explain the idea good enough until the end when speaking on at first you have a million choices when faced with a situation but when you decide on one action then the number of paths you could’ve taken shrinks…it’s like when they say first impressions matter because when you first meet a person there’s a plethora of ways that person can perceive you based on your actions
I had a genetics teacher speak of this idea, he elaborated that deja vu was one iteration of yourself actually noticing that you had been there before or experienced that before because you had, many many times before.
Maybe a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness has leapt forward in front of you a few minutes or hours and caught a glimpse of what is coming up .Perhaps this is why you feel like you have done this before . Ever noticed how deja vu seems to happen in ordinary situations ?
I believe I died in another reality and woke into this one...the day after a tragic event...now this reality and set of choices...feels real! So much so, I am more than ready to end this existence only so I can move to the next!
Dont do anything you idiot. Near death experiences might be what you described, that you die in one universe and in another you just barely survive, but that doesnt mean you should push it. Just make the most of what you have now.
Once when on shrooms, my friend and I had a revelation that "it's all circles". And the next day, we laughed about it. But, the older I get, the more I realize I was right.
During my trip/experience, I felt like time is indeed cyclical, but also follows an x axis movement - It's always flowing forward, but flowing forward in a spiral. That's why it never repeats exactly the same, but the general ideas are always eternal.
Even in a physical sense I don't think you're wrong@@jordanhallmark1784, it was explained to me once that satellites in orbit are actually falling in a perfectly straight line, it just appears curved because of gravity is bending spacetime. If spacetime is actually 1 substance I don't see how your trip intuition can't be true
Tripped on shrooms in college. I had this fantastic idea for a movie. I went and got a ream of paper and started drawing each scene. I was at it for hours. I turned from drawing stick figures before shrooms to drawing realistic sketches of people in my movie. Made a script and drew every scene. It was hours upon hours in my head. Woke up the next day to a ream of paper at my desk w/ one piece of paper having drawn some shitty sketch w/ some scribbles next to it……my movie idea will be lost forever.
Please don't ignore the square (screen) that you typed that comment on. Remember, there are no absolute values (like "Its all _____") in infinity. Infinity is true. Math is just a system of of computation; thought. Without intelligent beings to consider it and formulate it, there is no math. The Matrix has you. knock knock..
Joe you need to invite John Hagelin, physicist, Vedic knowledge expert. He can explain in a super elegant way all the things you discussed here, from the Vedic perspective
It's those yes or no moments that your lessons are chartered out in each life,theres a pull to the answer you have given 100% of the time and no pull towards the other answer, but if you change the answer at that point, that's where the lifeline changes and the path is new.
It's always amazing to hear people talk about humanity, why we are here, how it all works and their opinions/thoughts on life....BUT then turn around and say God isn't real. So this guy thinks we are in a time loop of life in some sort of biological simulation....but GOD creating man isn't an option...ok.
I don't think he disbleives God, he may just think of God as the eternal organism in which our dimensions and black and white holes and dreams and everything exist within. Still there would be a God I don't think anyone truly believes there isn't one they just use different language. At least I hope so lol.
I've found this video because a few days ago, I had this memory or maybe just a dream that I don't remember having, if that makes sense, of being born. When I was born, I was the man I am now but trapped in my baby body. I was fully aware of the events happening around me, I could think just as I do now and understand everything being said but I couldn't do anything or say anything because my undeveloped body wouldn't allow it. It was like being trapped inside someone else's body but it was really my own. I remember thinking "this isn't how it was supposed to be" and "I'll find you again and again if I have to". I'm assuming I was thinking of my wife but I don't honestly know. This dream/memory whatever you want to call it, lead me to this video and it has me thinking. What if it were real? What if, we are trapped inside our own bodies at birth...our soul is the same and the more the body develops, the brain develops...the more we forget who we used to be and start becoming who we are at that time? What if we do have free will but because we can't remember the events in our past life at the time, we keep making the same choices over and over again and believe it's free will but in reality, it's just fate. Would you change anything that has happened in your life? The slightest change to your past and now, your son or daughter isn't born. You never met the love of your life. Would you change anything if you knew it would kill your child by ultimately causing them to never be born again? I would live this life forever just to know the love of my wife and child just once. I would take all the pain and suffering forever just to know that...would you? A little side story...when I was in middle school, I wrote a name on everything. That name had "angel" in it and I knew...without a doubt...that would be the name of my first child; a baby girl. My mother saw it, asked and when I told her it would be the name of my first kid, she laughed it off. Fast forward to after high school...almost a decade later. I was working at a local Kmart and ran into this blonde. She was sitting in the garden section visiting a friend that I worked with. We hit it off and we begin dating within 48hrs. Fast forward again, that young lady gets pregnant and we are picking the name. I've known this name since middle school and tell her. She begins to cry and tells me...."angel" is my mom's maiden name and I always wanted my kid to have her name. I was completely unaware until that moment of her mother's maiden name. That is a 100% true story that my mother and wife can verify. I've now been married 20 years, that first child is now 19 and she has the exact name I wrote in middle school.... her grand mother's maiden name. Just luck, just a coincidence or maybe, just maybe....I've named her a thousand times before and somehow, I know it. Life is fucked up right but it's far better than the alternative. I'm going to love every moment of it for as long as I can and with a little effort, I'm going to try to help others enjoy their time here as well. Who knows...maybe this life is as good as it will ever get forever.
I believe life has free will but also you are on a path. Life is a series of forks in the road. Keep making the right one and you will go in the right direction.
I had this thought experiment a while ago and came to a similar conclusion. Removing our own perception (scale) of time helps to see the big picture. The two fixed points in time are the big bang and the heat death of the universe. Alpha and omega, if you will. One might cause the inverse of the other, but it is well beyond our ability to observe. Once we die, the moment if your last breath to the heat death of the universe is instantaneous since time stops being observable. Should the fixed points change positions in a cyclical pattern, the flow of time could reverse, or rather, move forward from our own perspective. All that was can be for all eternity, much like a pendulum that never loses energy.
Maybe a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness has leapt forward in front of you a few minutes or hours and caught a glimpse of what is coming up .Perhaps this is why you feel like you have done this before . Ever noticed how deja vu seems to happen in ordinary situations ?
Ya know sometimes I get this crazy deja vu and sware that I have done this before, like a crazy deep feeling I've been in this exact situation before ...
Maybe a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness has leapt forward in front of you a few minutes or hours and caught a glimpse of what is coming up .Perhaps this is why you feel like you have done this before . Ever noticed how deja vu seems to happen in ordinary situations ?
I don't know. I could see a universe where Chappie was a little bit better and this guys life is dramatically improved and events altered because of it.
Scary but amazing times we live in. Military checkpoints will be set up on us homesoil for covid vaccination certification. Camps will be activated. Police state is coming. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative
One flaw I see in this conception is the ego attaching itself to the embodied ‘i’ that experiences it’s life. That ‘I’ he explains that is reliving this moment, can be the same (I) just as you’ve had multiple different dreams with different sets of experiences and possibly even reoccurring dreams that have the same I beneath each of them. Listen to this concept again without the attachment that the ‘i’ will live the exact same body experience on a loop, it’s the awareness behind the limitations of any specific form or experience. Awareness going on it’s timeless and space-less unfolding over and over again through all forms and experiences. The experiences and forms feel like a separate and individual ‘i’ but in reality they are just dissociations in the one and only ‘’mind’ which is really consciousness itself. If this sparks any interest in you, Bernardo kastrup expains this beautifully in his theory of everything.
I get it too. I mean everything you experience is perception even the I is an object to perception not a subject, so conciousness is the one witness of itself, paradox of subject and object
Nietzsche is spot on. Eternal recurrence makes sense on a cosmological scale, take Penrose’s ‘big crunch’/‘big bang’ cycle and superimpose your life onto it. When you die you cease to experience time and space, so the apparent eternity that is to pass before the next incarnation of the universe is nothing but a moment, experienced subjectively. My only point of contention is the issue of free will, which the notion of a multiverse accounts for. Rather than all branches collapsing into one with every choice you make, your current experience collapses into one apparent stream based on the choices you make, but there exist infinite universes full of other branches, in which all the different choices and the set of outcomes they produce simultaneously exist. In most you never exist at all, based on the choices of your ancestors. Your ‘life’, thought through the matrix of an eternally recurring multiverse, is an infinite set of possibilities collapsing always into what we call lived ‘experience’ or the present, which is but the smallest fraction of what the whole matrix or reality in fact is. Now ‘scuse me while I go smoke my next cone.
I read Not Hear the Darkness by Alex Duggan. That is a great story about eternal recurrence. The guy has also done the best book on jack the Ripper I've ever read. That and the way we look at true crime books should be a podcast itself.
Self indulgent fate makes us feel better about our life’s events. More than likely it is all simply random and we can’t structure and use that unsettling truth : )
The first time I ever did acid I had a revelation similar to this. My parents had recently both passed away and I was in a pretty weird headspace, but one night I took like 6 hits of very strong LSD and tried to come to grips with myself over it. At one point I was looking down at my hands and saw they were trembling. Just for a split second, for whatever reason, they looked exactly like my dad's hands. And right then, it hit me. Everything I had ever seen or done or experienced would happen again and again and again until the end of the universe. It was such a fleeting sensation (it lasted less time than it takes to read this sentence) but it was so immensely real, powerful beyond scope, and immeasurably true. One day, not so very long from now, there will be a different (same?) guy with two dead parents tripping his balls off in a dark apartment as he stares wide-eyed at his hands. And another. And then another. And then it was gone. We're talking about a quarter of a second here, but it's not a moment I can forget the significance of. I think I retroactively knew that as it happened - that I would never forget it. In any case, I hope that Nietzsche was wrong and we aren't doomed to cycle through the same bad choices for eternity under the illusory spell of free will. That sounds hella lame, yo.
Every successful person I’ve ever heard interviewed always say “I’ve always known I was special” but inversely every failure of a person I’ve heard talk about it says exactly the same thing it just didn’t work out for them. No one is special or pre-cast for a life of success and happiness they just get lucky.
This concept immediately activates my weeb brain and reminds me of the time loop trope from 2 of my favorite animes: Madoka Magica and Higurashi When They Cry. (Highly recommend both btw) Both protagonists have to repeat time to get all the pieces to fall into place, but it's destined to never happen.
Live your life like you would like to live it over and over for eternity. Thats how I understand Nietzche Eternal recurrence, the burden comes when you are not living that life
@@F4CTZV There's literally no way to believe that you aren't in control of your actions. You don't sit and contemplate every fucking action you just do shit.
What's incredible is that this what more or less what my religion also says. That you'll be born over and over again until you learn. Once you've become perfect then you'll be one with the Brahman. THe only exception to this is that time ONLY moves forward. It never stops. Meaning you will be born as yourself as Neill suggests, you will be born as progressively higher being if you learn.
This just makes me think he’s a very surface level thinker. Im sure he thought it was really profound. Another one of the 1000 people with too much time on their hands that are going to misinterpret nietzsche. Lol
This guy should have a TedTalk, damn.. this was so interesting - I had the exact same thoughts every single day for as long as I can remember. So great to see somebody mention this, thought it was only me going crazy in my own deep thoughts.. meanwhile our forefathers died in WW1 and WW2 for nothing as we are being mandated to do things against our own free will, while getting shot with rubber bullets, bean bags and sprayed with pepper spray and choked by tear gas and refused to go to the local shops or even walk down the street and stretch your legs, unless we comply by breathing in our own carbon dioxide which our bodies are trying to actually get rid of, due to it being poisonous to the human body and then replacing that with the Oxygen in the air (life essential that we need to live and survive).. and accept an experimental drug injected into your body whilst ignoring the fact of being force-fed with one narrative instead of being presented with the true information of countless negative side-effect facts on both sides and let the people actually decide for themselves what they want to believe and choose what they wish to do with their own body, all in the ironic name of 'caring about our health'... back to Tom with the Weather
Except, those powers which hold down our free will are us. The same forces of WW2 are alive today and are the same people which we are personally. Unless we want to live inside no system at all, in complete chaos, then there must always be this.
We all have experienced Deja vu. We probably all have had an intuition to do or not do something. Yes we can relive the same life,. But we also are able to choose differently from the last time and do something right. Until we get it all as right as we can and then CHOOSE to move on.
Free will is a thing and your life will also repeat infinitely no matter what the same way forever. But that is true in every possible way at the same time forever. You are constantly entering and leaving these zones of reality as you make choices throughout your life.
Once people start to realize that everything is happening and everything exists and that the mind isn't capable of thinking of something that isn't possible, then we'll actually get it right.
@@patrickh5086 that's not my point. It's not about technology. It's about the fact that we think there are things that aren't possibly and that's just not the case. If you can think it, it's possible.
In a way, you are saying that the mind isn't thinking; that it is pre programmed. This in turn is saying that there is no point in me living as an individual; that there is no unique existence. This in turn says that that there is no meaning to life.
I thought of this theory and how it related to my life... I saw my many mistakes and how differently my life would have played out if had I made different decisions. I am divorced and re-married, with kids from both marriages; so if I never decided to marry either person- many, if not most of the people in my life today would not even exist. Then, I thought even deeper about these choices. I thought about the choices my parents made before me... One thing goes different for them, then I don't even exist to make these children (who will go on to make mistakes And other humans, presumably) in the first place! These two talking assume themselves to be the hero of their story, and that they would always find themselves in this position- successful and famous, without stopping to think about all the things that had to happen for them to end up in the spot they find themselves, in the first place. I am still open to this theory, though.
@@isiahsanders7466 he said that he "felt" that this theory of his was true, yet he had real trouble expressing it in an understandable way. I will give him the benefit of the doubt in this respect: Most of the deeper, "mystical" philosophical-type things that we feel resonate on some level deep inside of us are very hard to express with words to begin with. It was just a thought experiment anyway I guess, so mission accomplished 😂
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Nietzsche didn't "believe" in eternal recurrence -- he just used it as a thought experiment for people to figure out whether they're living the life they want. In a way, it's like him asking "If you had to eternally relive your life the same way you've lived it up until now -- would it be a blessing or a curse? What conclusions can you make from this?"
THANK YOU
That sounds much more probable (& useful).
Nicely explained ty👌
It's a curse damnit!
Yeah. That's exactly what Neil said.
EDIT- It's disheartening that this comment and many in this thread seem to lack basic listening skills. So I'll help you out - Neil literally says Nietzsche viewed eternal recurrence as a thought experiment TWICE. At 2:00 and 3:58
Incredible.
How Joe can weave Jiu Jistu into absolutely any conversation.
Yeah, really! He took a long walk to make an irrelevant reference.
Joe Jitsu
do you train bjj?
@@bossman8066 obviously not 🤣 they train Kungfu
Eternal BJJ Recurrence
This gives me the message that you should seek to live a life worth living a thousand times.
Except it'll be wayyy more than 1000 and realistically everyone will have ups and downs but they'll be steeper for some.
Ya, everything is everything, pass the joint.
No, but seriously... if you think about it
Well said
Straight up lol
Nothing is everything 👣
Takes a hit…..”wow”
Guest: Everything repeats itself.
Joe: Jujitsu.
Jiujitsu*
@@undercoverboss543 i’m gonna leave it misspelled so that my lesson.
yeah but what do you even say to that
Guest: Everything repeats itself.
Joe: I have to take a shit...
Joe: let’s keep the viewers and not say things that mean nothing
my last 2 dmt trips were like this. 1 of them, i saw the rest of my life go on and when i came out of it, i felt eternally grateful and so happy to be back in my body in this time. i dont want my life to go on that path. Last night in Joshua Tree, my trip was me being on a conveyor belt going thru my timeline again. when i opened my eyes, there was a pink geometric patterned net in the form of a dome that stretched out for what i can only guess was a few miles. I keep on thinking and saying to myself, "i need to change", "i cant let my life go on like this", and then today, this pops up on my feed... i can't pretend to understand whats going on, but i think its something special and we should all continue to believe we have the ability to create a better version of ourselves.
I’m screen shotting this because it just spoke to me in a way that I can’t even describe
@@jacoborndorff6270
i had a dmt trip just like this recently, i felt so relieved to be out of the reoccurrence. i feel you brother
But, did you at least see the Joshua Tree?
My trip had conveyor belts in it too. I totally left the entire scope of reality into another separate realm, where I could look down and to the right and see all of my existence. When I left, I saw myself fall and thought, _That's going to hurt!_ Then I was in the separate place. Behind me was a light. The light didn't cast any rays or make any shadows, but if I looked up and to the right I could see it. When I would turn away, I saw no trace of it...but still knew it was there. So I would look again to see if the light was there and sure enough...it was. So I peeked inside the light and say a room that looked like a stereogram. When I began to focus, I could see pillar in all directions and these conveyor belts moving off into the distances towards a light. On the conveyer belts where little jester head heading towards the light. One of them noticed me and I looked away. I thought, _Don't look back there or it'll know._ So I looked back anyway and it saw me. It then floated up to me and began showing me how happy it was I was there and welcomed me. I said, "Nope"
When I pulled my head out of the light I began to go down. Kind of like that feeling you get with an elevator, but without any sound or clanking of gears. I was then in a place with demons. They were dark silhouettes in a dark place and the only thing I could see of them were teeth and eyes. Their eyes and teeth looks like the eyes and teeth of the Electric Gremlin in the movie Gremlins 2: The New Batch. Only instead of blue they were the color you see when you close your eyes and press your eyes in a dark room. That color. Then I realized none of the demons couldn't see me. They were snarling and snapping on each other like a zombie hoard. Just billions of them...EVERYWHERE. But they couldn't see me. So I began to walk through them and after a second decided to leave before they "could" see me. So I stepped up out of the place. Just stepped right out of hell, like stepping up on a cross fit block.
Then I started to hear my buddy helping me to the grass so I went back to my reality.
this is like one of those late night discussions you have at a cosplay techno festival with a night elf and a dude in a dinosaur costume.
More like furry festival. Ew.
yeah, thanks you are here because I created you in my soliplistic mind
Lmfao this is hella specific 🤣
Have you seen the video
Joe Rogan gets mad at Alex Jones
It’s hilarious! 😡 😂
Oddly specific
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” ― Bill Hicks
Dreaming of that face again
Thats an actually quote? I've only ever heard it from tools song third eye
Did you see this clip of Alex Jones making fun of Joe?! Joe gets pissed! th-cam.com/video/L5qynOa-mKo/w-d-xo.html
Why give acid a bad name just cause your a f$cking Doorknob
If he thought he could fly .why didn’t he try it from the ground first
Now he’s ruined it for everybody..
Featured in "Third Eye" by Tool
I remember when i was 18 hanging out at a friends house. I looked up towards the sky and for some reason thinking im gonna be 30 in 12 years, it felt like it would be long time til 30 ... Im 51 now!... time goes bye so fast its mind blowing!
Fuck man I’m 18 now 😂
For sure...and the older you get the faster a year goes by...I can’t believe sometimes that something I think happened a year ago actually happened 4 or 5 yrs ago. Especially if you work night shift or swing the time seems to really blow by. I am almost 38 now and being 20 only seems like it was a few years ago..life is short.
Perhaps we get too busy workin and stop livin
The days go slower and the years go faster
@@BFaluup true I work swing shifts but it’s also that our perception of time is relative. When we’re young we haven’t experienced much time so it feels as if it goes by so slow but the more time we experience the less we notice it blowing past us.
This is how I be talking to my girl on the phone after I just smoked a blunt 😭😭
That's what they did. Everyone on the podcast is contractually obligated to blaze a blunt first.
No, what you do is bs not this
Bro I do the same shit 😭 my girl don’t smoke so she be tight at me saying I’m always talking shit😭
@@OfficialGOD You don’t know me. Stfu
😂😂
What I understood about Nietzsche eternal recurence is that in fact, every moment will repeat itself to inifnity as Neil was describing but I found empowering that I have the will to decide how this moment will be in eternity . It can be paradise or hell. Just ask yourself now, if I´m going to come back to this moment time after time, for all eternity, how I want this moment to be? I rather make it a "good" moment. In that way I escape nihilism.
Kind of like how schizophrenics get into delusional belief systems and create their own subjective hell... Scale that delusion up to a cultural level.. Lol
how are we supposed to know this is the first time around, what if we’ve been reliving this shit for billions of years or whatever
@@leothesouthpaw if YOU are here for eternity it doesn't matter if this is the first time, or the 983737.
But on that aspect , a book written by Anthony Peake, speculates with the eternal return,inmortality, time etc and extends precisely in what you are talking about. The book is called. "Is there life after death?
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I don't believe Nietzsche really believed this but merely put it forward as a thought experiment. No one could really believe it all the time or they would either commit suicide or become and automaton and then, feeling this too was a waste of time, a catatonic schizophrenic.
Know yourself.
"Someone once told me time is a flat circle." * smashes the beer can *
Hahaha, on his head even
*Flips open pocket knife*
First thing that popped into my head watching this 😂
Yessss
Matter in a superposition of every place it ever occupied, our sentience just cycling through our lives like carts on a track.
This guy manages to say a lot without really explaining anything in detail.
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
@@kevinpham8761 I'll check it out
It’s because he doesn’t really give proof or explain well why he believes what he believes
@@socratese5 Its because you cant prove or disprove solopsism. Its the kind of thing an absolute nutter would believe that doesnt have the capacity to think critically.
How would one go about proving everything I consider to be "real" is actually an illusion? Any data you show me as evidence will just be rejected as part of the illusion and not real. Its a lose-lose philosphy that as I said, only actual crazy or extremely stupid people would believe
Just a bunch of psycho babble.
The scary thing about eternal recurrence is not the idea of having to relive every moment, emotion or scenario, but the fact that eternal recurrence means every moment is meaningful and lives on in eternity.
And the devil; the True Devil will teach you to fear and fight against it, and God will teach you to submit and embrace it. Your perspective will determine if you will experience it as heaven or hell for all of eternity.
Which is just an observation, don't take it as truth or anything lol.
I like to mix this story in with the story of the egg. Meaning we will actually reincarnate as every soul to exist. But that we will also do it over and over again for eternity
I find that idea way more comforting than scary.
Or meaningless because there is never a chance to learn or alter the path. I feel like the thought process of believing eternal recurrence is its own sort of prison. If one thought every choice was pre determined because of this life long groundhog day, then you could choose to go play ball, stop dead in your tracks and decide nah, I'm gonna watch a movie instead, then change your mind again and go to the park, no go on a run, wait I'll work on the car, ah fuck it, no matter what I choose its already what I would have chosen no matter what so what's the point of choosing at all? Oh wait, if I don't choose, that's the choice. If I kill myself it just starts again only to end the same way.
That way of thinking makes nihilism sound like Saturday morning cartoons in comparison. It could drive a person mad if they lack the mental fortitude.
Interesting AF though. Love this stuff
bruh if this shit were true it means a baby that lived for 1 week just constantly dies lol. regardless its extremely unlikely this is true its a philosphical concept/thought experiment. im not sure why this is what this guy chose to literally believe in
When Joe asked if he thinks about it during directing I thought he was going to say because what your describing is like a film. The plot is predetermined and yet still has to be acted out and once it's over it can be watched over and over again from a different dimension, expect it's the 3rd dimension looking down onto the 2nd
This was deep asf
@@NinoVerse22 asf deep was this ?
Except, life isn't a film because we learn. The eternal return is removing experience, learning or consciousness from the equation. I find it amazing that Joe Rogan picks up on this intuitively, when he keeps asking, 'but why can't we learn?'. 99.99% of people don't actually pick up on this from Nietzsche's eternal return.
One second into the video:
"The universe is a hologram."
Well, I guess it's good to see the Joe Rogan Experience hasn't changed.
Ok
Me and my friend discussed this last time we tripped. literally. this hits the spot and this is what life is narrowed down to being. us just walking into infinite moments that have already happened and are happening all at once
I understand Nietzsche different here though. I do not for a second believe he literally ment or believed that you would eternally relieve the exact same life. Rather I understood it that it would be good or rather Übermensch-like, to try to live your life in such a way that if you had to relieve it the same over and over exactly the same you could accept it. At least that is how I understood it, that one should try to live a life you can so to speak, "stand behind" and affirm if you were ever questioned over it. That of course does not mean one needs to live a perfect life (if there is such a thing), rather that you have a, maybe, lust and passion for life itself. Not to cling to it, but to be able to accept it the way it is.
@@TheGuyAlwaysOnTime you don't think it could be a reality right? Cosmologically?
What.??
@@yuumizedong2574 nope, "for extraordinary claim we need extraordinary evidences" so i have question for you where is the proof of eternal recurrence ??
One day I was way to high, and had this unshakable awaness, that my entire life was predetermined, and it will repeat over and over, into eternity.And that Deja Vu, was a remembrance of one of the past times you lived this life before.
Book: Journey of Souls
Does it repeat for you. Or for evey one though
I've been there.
I watched Source Code and Deja Vu too...
He’s misrepresenting Nietzsche here imho. Nietzsche’s thought experiment of eternal recurrence was in support of his life affirming philosophy. He expected the average person to first greet the idea with horror, but if you could see this life as something you’d be willing, and even eager, to do it forever, it would be the ultimate expression of life affirmation.
And the idea goes back to at least the Greeks, who believed the universe was cyclical. Oddly, if we find that the universe eventually stops expanding and begins to contract, it could actually be true
What's this "we" business. I'm not a scientist
goes back to the ancient indians, believed every thing on this universe is a cyclical process, there is going to birth for something that is dead and vice versa, the karmic action what you sow is what you reap is a perfect illustration for that.
He may not be expressing the concept perfectly, but he has the right idea... Reread the part where he says, (roughly)"would you fall down gnashing your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus or would you declare, 'you are a god and never have I heard anything more godlike' "... Which is to say once you know your predicament you would realize you can make better choices and live a great life eternally OR one would just feel screwed and(like a fool) continue making the same follies instead of adjusting your life to get the best outcome possible... The latter part of this answer is a simplified version though, pretty sure he meant to express a deep deep horror upon one realizing his burden that he cast upon himself...
If I had 50,000,000,000 lives until this universe stopped expanding and started retracting to start phase two at halfway into the bang of the next....
I think you're 100% right. I always thought that what Nietzsche meant was that if you look at your life and you want to know if you've lived a good life, then you would have no problem living it over and over again. I think Neill got it wrong, you don't live the same thing forever, you ACT like you will and that will determine how you live your life. What he's saying, doesn't even make sense.
There is a few interpretation of Nietzsche's concept, the main interpretation is not an ontological and metaphysical one about some sort of literal repetition, it is being read as an ethical proposition, live your life with the idea in mind that it could repeat itself over and over again.
hey, actual question here. What does ontological mean?
You are right. It should be looked at as a thought experiment. Live your life as if....
@@vedrantomic1329 exactly, it would be unlike Nietzsche to make a metaphysical /ontological proposition like this
@@carlosparra8976 An ontological statement it a statement about the being of something, for exemple, "laws of physics EXISTS outside of our conceptualisation of them". Something ontologically positive is something that exists. Ontology deals with existence. And the proposition that we live our lives over and over again is an ontological one because it implies that Nietzsche thought of the eternal return as something that exists, as something that happens.
@@carlosparra8976 To TL;DR Luigi -- topics generally dealing with the nature of objective reality.
Man, my views about life and death are a bit different: That free will indeed exists and that we (the universe and existence in general) are inevitable. When we die, an amount of time passes unperceivable to us (the deceased, because our consciousness is gone; dispersed) and we inevitably form into a new consciousness, in a different form, time, place, and possibly, new universe if the universe we once lived in finally dissipated while we were dead. Everyone reading this comment has won the existential lottery by simply existing here, but also this was inevitable. We may experience thousands, if not billions of existences, and even one day, may return to an existence that is almost exactly like this one we have now.
Sounds more or less like reincarnation.
@@Garrus1995 Yup, pretty much reincarnation that cuts out the religious/fantasy aspect, I suppose
@@chillpenguin7679 reincarnation seems pretty fantasy to me
I can dig it
@@chillpenguin7679 But what is it that transfers? What is this soul substance that can disperse? What can cause it to reform?
This is a taoist belief and I think it's beautiful, and I do think it makes complete sense. Alan Watts once said "anything that happens once, doesn't happen at all" meaning existence itself is similar to a sine wave rather than a once off occurrence.
What a beautiful realization
This has been talked about for a millenia. The stoics are some of the wisest people to ever exist, from Marcus Aurelius to Seneca. They too believed in a deterministic, looping reality. And designed a philosophy of detachment from the abstract to modify ones perspective on life in the most pragmatic terms.
Stoicism has a sage which is to embody true oneness with all your decisions by way of knowing the preordained nature of reality and accepting it. You are a trainer of the body known as yourself. A captain behind the wheel of a ship it envelopes.
Determinism doesn’t involve decisions
@@woodpass choosing to ignores things you can’t change is a choice. Acknowledging that learned experience brought you to that outcome and it was inevitable. But still acknowledging that you still need to decide, even if the choice was decided for you.
@@woodpass that’s part of the paradox of free will. You can’t become catatonic of your bias and experiences. Even genetics play a major role in your course in life. Your attractiveness, your height. All these things are factors when deciding who you’ll be. And news flash, most of them, they aren’t up to you. Especially when we’re vulnerable like children and if your set of circumstances lead you to sadness and no guidance and suddenly you’re 18 with assault on your record, good luck not feeling the weight of capitalism on your shoulders. Good luck finding a job, you’ll resort to crime to get your needs met. Especially if you don’t have a helping hand. Which is generally a part of the reason why creating more equitable environment with more of an incentive on collaboration than competition, would be likely better public health outcomes. Stratify all these variables across all the citizenry of a nation and you’ll see the systemic outcome of public health and crime, intersecting.
@@camb546 free will and determinism are mutually exclusive. You aren’t a victim of your circumstances. You are gifted with the freedom to move within them. Its a tough pill to swallow to acknowledge that your failures weren’t predetermined but entirely your own doing, but it is likewise empowering to know that you create your successes by making good decisions. There is not middle ground, that is called intellectual fence sitting. You are either a predeterministic product of circumstance or you are a sovereign individual with free will and the capacity to choose.
This conversation is about as profound and novel as a philosophy 1 midterm essay at a community college
Thank you! I’m losing brain cells watching JRE, and I’m not even laughing. Can’t someone make it on the show who has something interesting to say?
I feel like i was slapped with bologna while listening to the morons i did drugs with in high school. Couldn't agree more.
Can you really judge someone for having a point of view though..?
@@theautodan7095 I expect more from the show. I learned nothing and I watched the whole podcast. It was a waste of time.
Nerd
I like this guy. He's like a nicer well adjusted Rust Cohle.
Well put
Tiiime is a flat circle
Great analogy. Rust was one of my favorite characters ever. His arc completely broke me
Given how long it’s taken me to reconcile my nature, I don’t figure I’d forgo it on your account, Jeff.
I was on board to the point he kind of implies that the universe only repeats in one version. Basically it's similar to a multiverse scenario, where many different versions of you will come to exist, including the version you are now, and ALL versions, or possible timelines, will repeat eternally. (But not necessarily in overlapping realities as multiverse suggests, but could be one at a time as the universe infinitely cycles)
Imagine believing this nonsense then shitting on religion (not saying you are) but damn it I hate anyone who quotes nietzsche without realising the man was a depressed and unhappy person that only created more sad an unhappy people. Science is a religious doctrine at this point. Don't tell me you understand quantum physics when no one does. Its literally the NWO religion and they already back tracking
Ketamine does this when you fall in a hole. You feel like you're stuck there forever doomed to repeat these moments forever.
100%
Nietzsche was in a K hole all this time? damn..
That's what a k hole is ? I smoked k2 once and was stuck in the same couple conversation loops for what felt like hours. It was torture
espacially if you do it with N2O man it turns into a fucking dmt khole trip
I find some very *positive* moments in Ketamine Kent, and some where the SAME scene can be positive or negative where the same loop of music( I IDENTIFY IT as NWA's Parental Discretion is advised...but it's like the first time i ever heard it, every time), and the same "scene", I am lying on my back, in the *NEGATIVE* version of this loop of "J'amais Vu"
I have been run over while cycling and am lying on my back in a ditch,(in the WORST version I have been run over on purpose and am awaiting the people who did this to finish me off), in the positive version I am lying on top of a MASSIVE structure, while that loop blares, and Airplanes are flying over me in the same direction and style as the end of the movie "Heat", but all is good, all is as it should be, and every loop, and beat and Plane are positive thoughts and words.
Love Neill Blomkamp movies.
Disctrict 9 is one my top Sci-Fi movie ever!
This is the type of conversation I watch JRE for.
I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one with these thoughts.
I wouldn't share that with anyone
Reality being a dream, is the core of most Eastern spiritual traditions. Look into it
he’s literally explaining the plot to almost every Christopher Nolan film
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Or the ending of Kubrick's Space Odyssey, of which Nolan's narrative concepts are mostly informed, or influenced by.
Not batman tho lol
Ok
Hegel said "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
I’m not so sure this guy totally understands his theory. He’s almost convincing himself as he explains it to Joe.
Me either
Every physics professor does the same thing until they tell their theory enough times.
It's hard to grasp, I don't entirely grasp it. But I think he has a good idea of it.
These are my thoughts just about every time I hear an “intellectual” speak on a “theory” of theirs these days…
@@jamesong.a.7695 critical race theory, for example…
I think this guy is way off. Life is what you make it. You can ride it like a river or paddle against the current. Time is a construct. It bends, stretches. Take time out of it and look at existence as a whole. We are literally a microcosm of an infinite system. Know your role, treat people how you want treated, and make it cleaner than you found it. Pretty simple stuff.
Very well said. Unfortunately we live in a world where you can spout big words and it’s viewed as hyper intelligent.
I dont think anything you said contradicts what he's saying. You can do all those things within the theoretical construct of eternal recurrence. That said, I hope that it's not right because that would literally be hell, even if you did live exactly how you outlined, inside of eternal recurrence you would be in a never ending loop with no novelty whatsoever. What you perceived to be living your best life through a series of free will choices would actually just be an infinite repetitive pattern with no end and no begining.
@@lukeyaple5949 Either way, what r u going to do. I'm just saying to not be a jerk and ruin it for everyone else. Otherwise make the best of it.
@@bjornlucent6307 100%. I was just saying that unfortunately being a good person wouldn't contradict what this guy is saying. Also like you said, we dont know. Thank God. If eternal recurrence was true I think knowing for a fact it was true would be what made it a living hell.
He just watched interstellar 3 times
I have always had a similar weird thought that you can't die in your own life. If a deadly experience happens to you, your consciousness seemlessly moves to another reality where you didn't die. When other people die the same thing happens and they continue their life in another reality not knowing the difference, but they're dead in your reality.
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I thought that too, but what if something happens to you that you know for sure cant be survived? Like your head getting cut off by a train or something similar?
Anthony Peake says something similar in that your never die in your universe (paraphrasing) I struggle to understand that but its nonetheless fascinating
@@MonroeSim How is eternal oblivion or Heaven and Hell not foolish?
@@cashthecurator666 eternal oblivion is just needlessly depressing, only miserable atheists would believe in something so dark
Prophetic dreams give you a glimpse of the literal future. I’ve had them a lot so I get deja vu about the “dreams” if you want to call them that. I don’t know how more people aren’t amazed by prophetic dreams. It’s essentially your mind time traveling.
I was trying to explain this how this happens to me pretty regularly, like I’ll have a dream about whatever, then bam a couple months or even years later I’ll be somewhere, and I feel like a rubber band snaps me back into reality and out of my head for a moment, and it’s I’m sitting in the middle of the exact scene that I dreamt however long ago
@@Ilych367 That’s a great way of describing it. Me and my brother both have this happen pretty often and it’s cool hearing about it from other people. I want to get a whole bunch of us people together, or something that would help us understand just how it’s possible.
Your comment brougth up a deja vu I had maybe 7 years ago when I was about 20. I was going to visit my sister in Malaga Spain, a few weeks before flying over there I told here I had a dream being their with her at the beach/bay walking along the water. When I was there, after having a stop at this frozen yoghurt place, we started to walk back, and suddenly I stopped her when I saw the playing ground from my dreams, and I told her a family would come from the left with a stroller and two kids running towards the red entrance gate. This was so strange when it happened infront of me. I did not even remember the dream until The colourful fence of the playing ground shot me back into it. Weirdest experience ever and it felt so lively, with my eyes staring in front of me but not really seeing reality, all I saw was the dream playing out while it happened in real life
@@thejourneytofreedom9959 Yeah it’s a weird experience. I’ve had A LOT in the past year. Definitely more than 20 I’d say. Some are more intense than others, like the one you had. While some you’ll barely feel the deja vu yet still remember the dream. I’ve also found that sometimes there’ll be slight variations between the dream you had and the actual event. But that’s only been happening recently for me. I want to study why this happens. I really don’t understand why there’s not a ton of coverage on the fact. Our brain is doing time travel and giving us sneak peaks of the future. That’s pretty interesting.
or to a possible reality
My favorite thing about the simulation is when I'm thinking about some wild shit and the topic comes up on jre a few days later
synchronicities
Same
Another dope who saw The Matrix and believes in a "Simulation"
@@Valkonnen slow down man, I don't believe in anything. Just thought it was funny.
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"In 10 years, nanobots in your blood might keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud. According to some futurists, in the next 10 or so years, your blood could be streaming with tiny nanorobots to help keep you from getting sick or even transmit your thoughts to a wireless cloud."
Finally I found someone who has this thought as well, I been thinking about how time ends and starts over since I was kid.
You gotta read Nietzsche!
The idea of the eternal recurrence was not a BELIEF it was a thought experiment. The highest affirmation of life is if a demon said to you "you will relive your life, in the exact same way forever", would you curl in a bawl and curse your fate, or accept it as the ultimate test of belief in your life. It was not meant to be taken literally.
Hahahah an he didn't continue reading the book.
bruh you clearly didn't read Thus Spoke Zarathustra or The Will to Power or you didn't understand them at all. In those books, eternal recurrence is clearly more than a thought experiment.
Its not locked in place, there are infinite possibilities and realities that co exist and already "exist", and throughout your life depending on the choices you make you can experience or "unlock" different outcomes of things different next time. You can experience a lot of those outcomes throughout many many reincarnations until you unlock your ascendance out of that matrix. Otherwise what is the point.
curl into a bawl is quite a phrase
@@jeremydevita4932 that's from the gay science. And I've read them both multiple times. He doesn't call it a thought experiment but I think you're reaching if you think he actually believed it.
Life is not repeated as it is, you have a different life everytime. Everyone is born again and again to learn lessons and become the best version of themselves
Use big words, barely understand there meanings, contradict yourself sentence to sentence. You're doing great Neil.
Their...
He’s being solipsistic!
That and he gets to live the same awesome rich life over and over again, while little Billy gets to die an agonizing death from cancer at 8 years old over and over for all eternity! What a putz!
@@Drgluee i don’t think he thought it through well
@@garymac5571 Im not correcting it b/c I deserve the shame
People are always overcomplicating Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence. After Nietzsche did away with God, souls, Heaven and Hell, etc., he still had to come up with a philosophical guide for how we should live our lives. So he came up with the Eternal Recurrence. We should live our lives as if we were destined to re-live that same life for an eternity. Whatever it is you're doing now, you should want to do it again in your next life, and the life after that, and so on, forever and ever.
Imagine being a violent psychopath and taking this to heart 😂😂
@@godsmarine5734 And then what? How is this a counterargument?
What a dumb Nazi theory. The world doesn't need anyone sharing his insane dumb theories. What a sociopath psycho you have to be to believe this.
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Tell me you haven't read Nietzsche without telling me you haven't read Nietzsche
@@magicalchemicaldaddy3919 Nietzsche wasn't a Nazi. In fact, he hated Anti-Semites. He also hated German nationalists. The Nazis ignored that part of his philosophy when they adopted it.
I am a diagnosed skitzopheic and I was thinking like this when I had mmy last breakdown I wanted to be born again as someone else or remove myself from the timeline I've had some spiritual experiences that really makes me have faith in a higher power I saw a man made out of stars and he told me everything was going to be okay idk if 8 was dreaming with my eyes open or what but it scared the living shit out of me I started freaking out about who to worship
I can say almost the same about my dream state. I have the ability to change it if I absolutely mentally push it. However, everything else feels like it’s on a track.
He didn’t explain the idea good enough until the end when speaking on at first you have a million choices when faced with a situation but when you decide on one action then the number of paths you could’ve taken shrinks…it’s like when they say first impressions matter because when you first meet a person there’s a plethora of ways that person can perceive you based on your actions
I had a genetics teacher speak of this idea, he elaborated that deja vu was one iteration of yourself actually noticing that you had been there before or experienced that before because you had, many many times before.
He should keep to genetics instead of neuronscience
Maybe a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness has leapt forward in front of you a few minutes or hours and caught a glimpse of what is coming up .Perhaps this is why you feel like you have done this before . Ever noticed how deja vu seems to happen in ordinary situations ?
I believe I died in another reality and woke into this one...the day after a tragic event...now this reality and set of choices...feels real!
So much so, I am more than ready to end this existence only so I can move to the next!
Dont do anything you idiot. Near death experiences might be what you described, that you die in one universe and in another you just barely survive, but that doesnt mean you should push it. Just make the most of what you have now.
@@DesertStateInEU hahahah! great comment! ahhh neurotic people always looking for something am i right???
Once when on shrooms, my friend and I had a revelation that "it's all circles". And the next day, we laughed about it.
But, the older I get, the more I realize I was right.
During my trip/experience, I felt like time is indeed cyclical, but also follows an x axis movement - It's always flowing forward, but flowing forward in a spiral. That's why it never repeats exactly the same, but the general ideas are always eternal.
nah it's all triangles.
Even in a physical sense I don't think you're wrong@@jordanhallmark1784, it was explained to me once that satellites in orbit are actually falling in a perfectly straight line, it just appears curved because of gravity is bending spacetime. If spacetime is actually 1 substance I don't see how your trip intuition can't be true
Tripped on shrooms in college. I had this fantastic idea for a movie. I went and got a ream of paper and started drawing each scene. I was at it for hours. I turned from drawing stick figures before shrooms to drawing realistic sketches of people in my movie. Made a script and drew every scene. It was hours upon hours in my head.
Woke up the next day to a ream of paper at my desk w/ one piece of paper having drawn some shitty sketch w/ some scribbles next to it……my movie idea will be lost forever.
Please don't ignore the square (screen) that you typed that comment on. Remember, there are no absolute values (like "Its all _____") in infinity. Infinity is true. Math is just a system of of computation; thought. Without intelligent beings to consider it and formulate it, there is no math. The Matrix has you. knock knock..
Joe you need to invite John Hagelin, physicist, Vedic knowledge expert. He can explain in a super elegant way all the things you discussed here, from the Vedic perspective
Crazy didn't even know this was a thought experiment. I got high one day as a kid and came to the same conclusion, just been enjoying life ever since
Oh well, if I’m living the same life over and over again I’ll catch this interview the next time around…
If you miss it this time around , you will miss it the next time around.
It's those yes or no moments that your lessons are chartered out in each life,theres a pull to the answer you have given 100% of the time and no pull towards the other answer, but if you change the answer at that point, that's where the lifeline changes and the path is new.
"Time is a flat circle."
-Rust Cohle
true
I was waiting for someone to make that comment.
It's always amazing to hear people talk about humanity, why we are here, how it all works and their opinions/thoughts on life....BUT then turn around and say God isn't real. So this guy thinks we are in a time loop of life in some sort of biological simulation....but GOD creating man isn't an option...ok.
no body said anything about God.
@Adamcampbell You just typed a non-sequitur.
I don't think he disbleives God, he may just think of God as the eternal organism in which our dimensions and black and white holes and dreams and everything exist within. Still there would be a God I don't think anyone truly believes there isn't one they just use different language. At least I hope so lol.
@@ethandudash1073 Nobody believes in your magic space organism.
Oh God, just the thought of sitting through Chappie again and again for all eternity fills me with extreme despair
Take my upvote sir
i never fell for that ruse, especially once i saw the director
I've found this video because a few days ago, I had this memory or maybe just a dream that I don't remember having, if that makes sense, of being born. When I was born, I was the man I am now but trapped in my baby body. I was fully aware of the events happening around me, I could think just as I do now and understand everything being said but I couldn't do anything or say anything because my undeveloped body wouldn't allow it. It was like being trapped inside someone else's body but it was really my own. I remember thinking "this isn't how it was supposed to be" and "I'll find you again and again if I have to". I'm assuming I was thinking of my wife but I don't honestly know.
This dream/memory whatever you want to call it, lead me to this video and it has me thinking. What if it were real? What if, we are trapped inside our own bodies at birth...our soul is the same and the more the body develops, the brain develops...the more we forget who we used to be and start becoming who we are at that time? What if we do have free will but because we can't remember the events in our past life at the time, we keep making the same choices over and over again and believe it's free will but in reality, it's just fate. Would you change anything that has happened in your life? The slightest change to your past and now, your son or daughter isn't born. You never met the love of your life. Would you change anything if you knew it would kill your child by ultimately causing them to never be born again? I would live this life forever just to know the love of my wife and child just once. I would take all the pain and suffering forever just to know that...would you?
A little side story...when I was in middle school, I wrote a name on everything. That name had "angel" in it and I knew...without a doubt...that would be the name of my first child; a baby girl. My mother saw it, asked and when I told her it would be the name of my first kid, she laughed it off. Fast forward to after high school...almost a decade later. I was working at a local Kmart and ran into this blonde. She was sitting in the garden section visiting a friend that I worked with. We hit it off and we begin dating within 48hrs. Fast forward again, that young lady gets pregnant and we are picking the name. I've known this name since middle school and tell her. She begins to cry and tells me...."angel" is my mom's maiden name and I always wanted my kid to have her name. I was completely unaware until that moment of her mother's maiden name. That is a 100% true story that my mother and wife can verify. I've now been married 20 years, that first child is now 19 and she has the exact name I wrote in middle school.... her grand mother's maiden name. Just luck, just a coincidence or maybe, just maybe....I've named her a thousand times before and somehow, I know it.
Life is fucked up right but it's far better than the alternative. I'm going to love every moment of it for as long as I can and with a little effort, I'm going to try to help others enjoy their time here as well. Who knows...maybe this life is as good as it will ever get forever.
You have a gift of awareness, maybe each time we cycle through we get to reach out to others and strive for the positive vibration
No way we are locked in a loop.
How would you even know?
Rich people always turn weird once they have everything they want
@@Jack-bp3ns people like Warren Buffet and Manoj Bhargava seem pretty normal, all things considered
No way? Why?
Karmic circles with the choice to move on once you've learned the lessons you need to move on
I believe life has free will but also you are on a path. Life is a series of forks in the road. Keep making the right one and you will go in the right direction.
I had this thought experiment a while ago and came to a similar conclusion. Removing our own perception (scale) of time helps to see the big picture. The two fixed points in time are the big bang and the heat death of the universe. Alpha and omega, if you will. One might cause the inverse of the other, but it is well beyond our ability to observe. Once we die, the moment if your last breath to the heat death of the universe is instantaneous since time stops being observable. Should the fixed points change positions in a cyclical pattern, the flow of time could reverse, or rather, move forward from our own perspective. All that was can be for all eternity, much like a pendulum that never loses energy.
This is what you call confusion. Alhamdulilah for the truth and Islam.
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“Nothing is predetermined, not even death” - Sadhguru
I agree. Kind of explains the familiarity feeling you get from deja vu.
Maybe a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness has leapt forward in front of you a few minutes or hours and caught a glimpse of what is coming up .Perhaps this is why you feel like you have done this before . Ever noticed how deja vu seems to happen in ordinary situations ?
I had a problem with this in high school and a little dissociation accompanied it. It’s fun to daydream about it but don’t ponder on it too long…
Ya know sometimes I get this crazy deja vu and sware that I have done this before, like a crazy deep feeling I've been in this exact situation before ...
Maybe a part of your consciousness or subconsciousness has leapt forward in front of you a few minutes or hours and caught a glimpse of what is coming up .Perhaps this is why you feel like you have done this before . Ever noticed how deja vu seems to happen in ordinary situations ?
I don't know. I could see a universe where Chappie was a little bit better and this guys life is dramatically improved and events altered because of it.
bat whaaai?
Have you seen the video
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s hilarious!! 👽 😂
Scary but amazing times we live in. Military checkpoints will be set up on us homesoil for covid vaccination certification. Camps will be activated. Police state is coming. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Jesus christ is coming back for the rapture. Get ready. Dont believe the coming ufo alien abduction narrative
no doubt.... man take control these movies suck when you let jesus take the wheel
@@daebak7370 whaaaaat?
Neill Blomkamp: "I don't believe we have any choices in life".
Also Neill Blomkamp: "I think we have infinite choices in life".
One flaw I see in this conception is the ego attaching itself to the embodied ‘i’ that experiences it’s life. That ‘I’ he explains that is reliving this moment, can be the same (I) just as you’ve had multiple different dreams with different sets of experiences and possibly even reoccurring dreams that have the same I beneath each of them. Listen to this concept again without the attachment that the ‘i’ will live the exact same body experience on a loop, it’s the awareness behind the limitations of any specific form or experience. Awareness going on it’s timeless and space-less unfolding over and over again through all forms and experiences. The experiences and forms feel like a separate and individual ‘i’ but in reality they are just dissociations in the one and only ‘’mind’ which is really consciousness itself.
If this sparks any interest in you, Bernardo kastrup expains this beautifully in his theory of everything.
I get it too. I mean everything you experience is perception even the I is an object to perception not a subject, so conciousness is the one witness of itself, paradox of subject and object
Nietzsche is spot on. Eternal recurrence makes sense on a cosmological scale, take Penrose’s ‘big crunch’/‘big bang’ cycle and superimpose your life onto it. When you die you cease to experience time and space, so the apparent eternity that is to pass before the next incarnation of the universe is nothing but a moment, experienced subjectively. My only point of contention is the issue of free will, which the notion of a multiverse accounts for. Rather than all branches collapsing into one with every choice you make, your current experience collapses into one apparent stream based on the choices you make, but there exist infinite universes full of other branches, in which all the different choices and the set of outcomes they produce simultaneously exist. In most you never exist at all, based on the choices of your ancestors. Your ‘life’, thought through the matrix of an eternally recurring multiverse, is an infinite set of possibilities collapsing always into what we call lived ‘experience’ or the present, which is but the smallest fraction of what the whole matrix or reality in fact is. Now ‘scuse me while I go smoke my next cone.
I read Not Hear the Darkness by Alex Duggan. That is a great story about eternal recurrence. The guy has also done the best book on jack the Ripper I've ever read. That and the way we look at true crime books should be a podcast itself.
Self indulgent fate makes us feel better about our life’s events. More than likely it is all simply random and we can’t structure and use that unsettling truth : )
The first time I ever did acid I had a revelation similar to this. My parents had recently both passed away and I was in a pretty weird headspace, but one night I took like 6 hits of very strong LSD and tried to come to grips with myself over it. At one point I was looking down at my hands and saw they were trembling. Just for a split second, for whatever reason, they looked exactly like my dad's hands. And right then, it hit me. Everything I had ever seen or done or experienced would happen again and again and again until the end of the universe. It was such a fleeting sensation (it lasted less time than it takes to read this sentence) but it was so immensely real, powerful beyond scope, and immeasurably true. One day, not so very long from now, there will be a different (same?) guy with two dead parents tripping his balls off in a dark apartment as he stares wide-eyed at his hands. And another. And then another. And then it was gone. We're talking about a quarter of a second here, but it's not a moment I can forget the significance of. I think I retroactively knew that as it happened - that I would never forget it. In any case, I hope that Nietzsche was wrong and we aren't doomed to cycle through the same bad choices for eternity under the illusory spell of free will. That sounds hella lame, yo.
I disagree, the human experience is "evolving consciousness"
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Part of it. Part of it is unconscious.
Every successful person I’ve ever heard interviewed always say “I’ve always known I was special” but inversely every failure of a person I’ve heard talk about it says exactly the same thing it just didn’t work out for them. No one is special or pre-cast for a life of success and happiness they just get lucky.
This concept immediately activates my weeb brain and reminds me of the time loop trope from 2 of my favorite animes: Madoka Magica and Higurashi When They Cry. (Highly recommend both btw) Both protagonists have to repeat time to get all the pieces to fall into place, but it's destined to never happen.
Live your life like you would like to live it over and over for eternity. Thats how I understand Nietzche Eternal recurrence, the burden comes when you are not living that life
That is the freedom. To be able to choose the path that is not already set.
Joe: so i can do DMT forever?
Guest: Pretty much
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The problem with his mindset is your life isn't just full of your own decisions. It's moved by others free will as well.
That’s why some people can’t stop running into walls, instead of going with the flow and make the choices that make life fun
we are just like flowers, you have to go through the darkness to enjoy the light
The universe expands then implodes and repeats over an over again.
Like a heartbeat.
I think it's beneficial to believe in free will even if you don't actually have it
You have no other choice but sure.
What are you even saying
If you dont have fee will, you cant believe in free will. You cant choose or decide to take an action
@@F4CTZV There's literally no way to believe that you aren't in control of your actions. You don't sit and contemplate every fucking action you just do shit.
What's incredible is that this what more or less what my religion also says. That you'll be born over and over again until you learn. Once you've become perfect then you'll be one with the Brahman. THe only exception to this is that time ONLY moves forward. It never stops. Meaning you will be born as yourself as Neill suggests, you will be born as progressively higher being if you learn.
This makes the movie Tenet more comprehensible
Yet still trash.
I still can’t understand that movie even after I watch TH-cam videos that explain it. Love Nolan but shit that movie is a struggle to comprehend.
Guest: I'm an astronaut
Joe: Amazing, you know, I know this Brazillian dude who is an expert in jiu-jitsu, who is also an astronaut.
“Time is a flat circle” - Rustin Cohle
Man of culture you are, sir.
So essentially, fate is decided already. Why stress trying to change it? Accept it and embrace it?
no,the point is to live a life worth reliving
This just makes me think he’s a very surface level thinker. Im sure he thought it was really profound. Another one of the 1000 people with too much time on their hands that are going to misinterpret nietzsche. Lol
"I read an idea in a book once and now I define my personality off of it." - Blomk-amp (4th dementional interpreter)
I saw the exact same thing in an LSD trip.
@@zacharybennett3249 hahaha exactly
I believe that the big things in life, that have the potential to change your life completely, for better or worse, cannot be chosen. They choose you.
This guy should have a TedTalk, damn.. this was so interesting - I had the exact same thoughts every single day for as long as I can remember. So great to see somebody mention this, thought it was only me going crazy in my own deep thoughts.. meanwhile our forefathers died in WW1 and WW2 for nothing as we are being mandated to do things against our own free will, while getting shot with rubber bullets, bean bags and sprayed with pepper spray and choked by tear gas and refused to go to the local shops or even walk down the street and stretch your legs, unless we comply by breathing in our own carbon dioxide which our bodies are trying to actually get rid of, due to it being poisonous to the human body and then replacing that with the Oxygen in the air (life essential that we need to live and survive).. and accept an experimental drug injected into your body whilst ignoring the fact of being force-fed with one narrative instead of being presented with the true information of countless negative side-effect facts on both sides and let the people actually decide for themselves what they want to believe and choose what they wish to do with their own body, all in the ironic name of 'caring about our health'...
back to Tom with the Weather
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He just is reciting out of Nietzsches book.
These are not their ideas. They are standing on the shoulders of a giant.
Great convo though.
Except, those powers which hold down our free will are us. The same forces of WW2 are alive today and are the same people which we are personally. Unless we want to live inside no system at all, in complete chaos, then there must always be this.
We all have experienced Deja vu. We probably all have had an intuition to do or not do something. Yes we can relive the same life,. But we also are able to choose differently from the last time and do something right. Until we get it all as right as we can and then CHOOSE to move on.
This is the dumbest theory I've ever heard.
I agree. Makes it seem like the universe is pointless...
There has to be a point. Atleast i feel so.
@@lil-dexxy6475God exists. His name is Jesus Christ
Free will is a thing and your life will also repeat infinitely no matter what the same way forever. But that is true in every possible way at the same time forever. You are constantly entering and leaving these zones of reality as you make choices throughout your life.
I didn't realize I needed a collaboration project with Neil and Christopher Nolan.
Once people start to realize that everything is happening and everything exists and that the mind isn't capable of thinking of something that isn't possible, then we'll actually get it right.
What do you deem possible ?
What is possible now was not possible 1000 years ago , what is not possible now will be possible in a 1000 years ?
@@patrickh5086 that's not my point. It's not about technology. It's about the fact that we think there are things that aren't possibly and that's just not the case. If you can think it, it's possible.
In a way, you are saying that the mind isn't thinking; that it is pre programmed. This in turn is saying that there is no point in me living as an individual; that there is no unique existence. This in turn says that that there is no meaning to life.
It is a mix, it repeats nearly identical, but with a minor alteration, infinitely changing
Interesting. I should watch the full version sometime.
I thought of this theory and how it related to my life... I saw my many mistakes and how differently my life would have played out if had I made different decisions. I am divorced and re-married, with kids from both marriages;
so if I never decided to marry either person-
many, if not most of the people in my life today would not even exist.
Then, I thought even deeper about these choices. I thought about the choices my parents made before me...
One thing goes different for them, then I don't even exist to make these children (who will go on to make mistakes And other humans, presumably) in the first place!
These two talking assume themselves to be the hero of their story, and that they would always find themselves in this position- successful and famous, without stopping to think about all the things that had to happen for them to end up in the spot they find themselves, in the first place.
I am still open to this theory, though.
Agreed. Dude was saying a lot if nothing it seemes to me
@@isiahsanders7466 he said that he "felt" that this theory of his was true, yet he had real trouble expressing it in an understandable way.
I will give him the benefit of the doubt in this respect: Most of the deeper, "mystical" philosophical-type things that we feel resonate on some level deep inside of us are very hard to express with words to begin with. It was just a thought experiment anyway I guess, so mission accomplished 😂
Here is an example of someone who has VERY surface level of understanding of a concept, and definitely does not.
I wouldn't mind living my life again but with a few people I've come across in my life completely removed.
Meditate and this will be true
@@maxmawell I wish it was that simple.