Cadillac Lyriq N.A.C.S. Home Charging
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- Options for the Cadillac Lyriq in-home charging. With the recent GM adoption of the Tesla NACS connector instead of the SAE J1772 connector for their vehicles, it no longer makes sense to install an EVSE with a J1772 handle for charging at home. We also own a Volvo XC40 Recharge and I can confirm the same method I recommend here works on it too.
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The Tesla Wall Connector in the beginning of this video is their second generation unit and goes up to 80A. I have two just like it in my garage. The current third gen unit only goes up to 48A. 80A would presumably overheat your 48A adapter but TeslaTap makes the appropriate NACS to J1772 adapters that are rated to 80A. I keep one in my garage for guests.
Wow! I did not know that. That is awesome ! I guess all I need to do is have an electrician put it on an 80 amp cir instead of the 48 a and get the Tesla tap for it. Thx! I think I am going to use that as my go forward option.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel Happy to help. You got one of the good ones. Now that NACS really is the North American charging standard, maybe Tesla will bring back 80A Wall Connectors for the various cars/trucks that can accept 80A. But yeah, just bump up the circuit to 100A and while you're inside the unit putting in the thicker wires, adjust the rotary DIP switch to get it to offer 80A to the car and you're set. With these Gen 2 units, up to four can share a circuit, you just wire up an RS-485 serial link between them.
Thanks for the information. I was already thinking I’d put in a Tesla charger to future proof my charging, but I learned a few things from watching this video. I’m waiting for the Blazer EV and the Equinox EV to come out. I’m hoping things are going well for Cadillac owners or I won’t want to be buying the first editions of the other EV’s. The new charging standard throws a little bit of a wrinkle in for me as I’m certain that within the next two years GM EVs will have the NACS connector, but I imagine they’ll all come out with the J1172 initially. Then again by the time I can actually get an Equinox or Blazer they might have the NACS installed. Point being that in the long run I’d rather not use an adaptor. 🤷♂️
4 sure go with a NACS unit. All the makers will have them avail in the coming months. Currently, the only option is Tesla, but it is not a bad choice, IMHO. I believe I am accurate in saying GM model year `25 will all have NACS ports. `23 & `24 will have J1772 / CCS.
A fair recommendation for the Lyriq. But know this is not a good solution for all EV's. The Hyundai Ionic 5 for example doesn't work well with this - need to go through hoops of plugging and unplugging and power cycling the car to get it to charge. Even worse issues if you use scheduled charging. This is the same as the 3 other eGMP cars (EV6, GV60, GV70). Reason being that the Telsa wall connector charger does not speak J1772 protocol even though you are using this physical adapter. The wall connector defaults to Tesla's protocol, and then resorts to J1772 as fall back. The eGMP cars do not like this, and there may be other vehicles as well. Lyriq however is ok.
Thanks for the information. I did not know eGMP struggled with the Tesla wall connector with the NACS handle. IMHO, it does not make sense currently to install J1772 anymore in homes. in 18 months it will be obsolete and the EVSE will be in use for a decade or two, mostly servicing NACS cars over time. I am not sure what the answer is with eGMP then. They are great cars. I prefer Hyundai to Kia. All three Ionic 5, Ionic 6, & Ionic 8 are best in class. The six beats the Mod3 4 sure and few other car makes have any answer to the Ionic 8. Car & Driver loves them too, which is no small endorsement.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel Yes - I agree it probably is not ideal to install new J1772 plugs for level 2 given the upcoming transition to NACS. But just know right now there is no such thing as a NACS level 2 EVSE. The Tesla wall connector (or mobile charge cord) is NACS only in connector type - not in protocol. Some cars this will work ok with, but some will not. It is still the Tesla protocol, which falls back to J1772 if connected to a non-Tesla. This isn't how a true NACS level 2 EVSE will work - when they are released. I'd say best to wait a bit.
@@billjohnson3344 Thx for the explanation. I did not know that. Hopefully the delay in NACS home charges will not be too long. I am thinking by Christmas they should be out.
Very informative and detail report. Great job
The 80A charger (19.2 kW) was standard ONLY on the 2023 Lyriq DEBUT EDITION, which has been totally sold out since the waiting list opened and immediately closed in May 2022.
The 2024 models now being delivered (to those who did not get one of the extremely limited number of the Debut Editions and whose order was rolled over to a 2024 model) comes standard with the 48A (11.2 kW) onboard charger.
You can order the 80A (19.2 kW) charger as an option for ONLY ……(wait for it) $1480 😮😮😮
That plus the fact that even modern homes will probably need to upgrade their main electrical service panel at a cost is several thousand dollars to install the necessary 100A breaker, larger and significantly more $ wire and conduit, it makes the 19.2 kW onboard charger not the attractive option you describe. 😢
Truth. Option 4 ‘24+, but if u have the cash, the way 2 go IMHO.
Tesla Universal Wall Connector offers a home AC charger with a magic dock for charging both CCS1 and Tesla plug for $575. No adapter needed , it is included.
Yes, I would agree, that should be the goto currently.
Great information! Thank you very much,
If you have a J-1772 EVSE unit do you think there will be an adapter compatible with the NACS? I think Tesla has an adapter that works with other high speed chargers on their cars.
4 sure. I am suspecting all NACS cars made starting in 2025 will come with one like Teslas currently do. However, Lectron makes a good one you can buy if the need arises. 4 DCVC, there is an adapter to charge an NACS on a CCS already too.
Tesla provides them with every Tesla they sell, so Tesla's can charge with J1772 EVSE's. You can also buy them for $50. Cheaper doing this if you already have a J1772 EVSE installed, than adapting the other way.
Are they selling it, the ultium 80A?
Hiw would it cost to install the outlet was thinking $1500 credit was nice but i had an outlet installed before and it only ran $400. And i dont think the credit includes buying the charger.
How much to have this unit installed at your home? I rather do this than drive somewhere and leave my car or wait. Are they any type of tax breaks or kick back?
There use to be tax breaks but not anymore. I think it was like $1k for the unit and install
NEMA outlet is fine. With a NEMA outlet you will get more than enough charge overnight. Uppity people with the mindset "I Have to charge to full in 30 minutes."
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I agree the need for 19.2 does not exist. However, the brand is not about need & bare minimum. 19.2 is a luxury feature helpful in a few cases. For instance returning from a road trip & wanting to go out for dinner shortly after. A quick boost would be “nice” in those cases
I have a Tesla 240v charging cable in my home( I own a Tesla model 3). Can I use it on the 2024 Lyriq that I am buy?
should be fine with the adapter I show in the video.
Inflation reduction act lol.
I already had a Tesla charger in my home from a previous owner. Unfortunately, the lectron adapter works just fine for the first 30 or 45 minutes, but after an hour the Tesla wall unit started throwing overheating errors, three blinking red lights. I can't seem to get it sorted out so I'm going to have to go with the j1772 option.
I was looking on Prime Day. There are a lot of good deals there on EVSEs
Excellent video. Thank you 🧐👌
I have 240v plug available in my garage. Do you recommend buying a hard wire charger or stray with Lyriq charger they give you? Which charger do you recommend for NACS charging?
The Tesla Universal Wall connector is a really good one. That is what I normally recommend. If you intend to stay in your home for several years, IMHO it makes sense to get a hard wire one.
Most of the time people are not a single digit SOC when they get home.
I agree the need for 19.2 is rare, but is a luxury in those times. I actually find I can get along fine with Level 1 charging for almost all of my needs. I am a techie though and like to geek out on my stuff, so it is also just cool to me to have a 19.2 round.
How do you turn on the WI-FI on the Ultium Level 2 EVSE
Not sure. Never actually seen one in person or used one.
I think the only thing you're omitting is there are already J1772 to NACS adapters available and they are cheaper than NACS to J1772. I personally would install a J1772 charger because there is such a variety of them and if/when you need NACS, just use an adapter.
Also, 19.2kW chargers are overkill for most users because 1) they require a 100A circuit 2) Unless your vehicle is dead even 9.6kW or 11.2kW would have your vehicle recharged by the morning assuming 80% charge. Granted I would say for the Hummer EV 19.2kW makes more sense because it has a pack size twice the Lyriqs.
Personally, I'm surprised they are offering 19.2kW capability on the Lyriq. I wondering if they did it to test the charger prior to it being available on the Hummer/Silverado EV, or if they plan on making bi-directional charging available on the Lyriq. The 19.2 kW in-car charger is required for the Silverado EV to offer bi-directional capabilities.
In general I agree with the 19.2 assessment. However, there are times where the quicker charge is a luxury to have. Come home from a road trip and need to go out to do something else, for instance. For us, that not too uncommon.
For the adapter, the point I was attempting to make and I fear I may have failed in doing so, although adapters are available, the install of a EVSE at home from this point forward should only be NACS, IMHO. Those are going to be around to svc many cars as the years go by. Most of the cars those EVSEs will be charging are going to be NACS cars. To remove the adapter from the equation, it makes sense to me to only install NACS EVSEs from this point on. Doing so will age out the need for adapters as time goes on. Not doing so will marry you to life with an adapter for the life of the EVSE.
Currently, the Tesla Wall Connector is the only NACS EVSE for home use. Sure more will be coming, but currently it stands alone. The good news is it is reasonably priced and experts rate it very highly on all points. In my mind that is the go-to option for people installing EVSEs at this point in time until the market can catch up with the NACS changes.
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel The Tesla wall connector charger is not a "NACS" EVSE at this time - it is a "Tesla" EVSE. It uses what will be the NACS plug, but it doesn't speak only J1772 - it speaks Tesla's proprietary protocol first and foremost, before falling back to J1772 "language". This can cause issues with certain EV's. So as they say, your mileage may vary with this solution. Same issue if using the Tesla mobile charge cord and a J1772 adapter. At this point in time, you cannot buy a "NACS" EVSE.
About why the Debut Edition only came with the 19.2 kW charger, I read a comment (unsubstantiated) in a forum post by someone who allegedly knew an exec in GM, that it was a supply chain issue. GM had 19.2 chargers in inventory for the Hummer that had very low production numbers and had trouble getting the 11.9 chargers so they moved what they had to the Lyriq. They kept that up for all the DEs, but made it an option for the 2024s and at a price that would discourage orders so as to make them more available if the Hummer production took off. That sounds logical, but as noted was never officially stated by GM.
How do I figure out the cost of KW to dollars?
You will need to look at your electric bill. It will tell you how much you are being charged per kWh.
At my old home it could only handle 20A, and even that cost over 1000 to install
U get tax credits after?
@@thenetworkarchitectchannel that was years ago in Hawaii. I didn't know about any credit, or there wasn't one
Are you saying all EV manufacturers must switch to tesla adapter.. Wow.
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