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if you put 2pc blood 2pc pale on xinyan the physical damage would be even better since she can't proc 4pc pale due to her long second skill cooldown. amazing stuff though
personally single target will never be dehya's speciality. I also think that burgeon or a sub dps roll make more sense to go that route IMO. I willing to say dehya will never be top tier, but mono pyro is just bad since the other reactions do well with em builds with low investment, also single target enemies put her at a distinct disadvantage to have her onfield for a long time. Personally it makes more since for someone like the wanderer, xiao, or Hu Tao to be the on field unit to maximize their dmg through lost hp by using the hyper armor through their dps window and rotate in dehya than the on field. I would like to see you try the team I built using the burgeon method despite it being dolphin team I used. Nahida c0, kokomi c1, ayato c0, and dehya c1 in a burgeon set up can easily clear floor 12. Now for the melt setup I build for her was actually Rosaria, kazuha, yao yao and dehya to get a reverse melt going as Rosaria as a driver
@@longsuffer I think I saw something about how Dehya’s E field doesn’t extend upwards so Wanderer actually can’t use her super armor when he’s flying. Xiao can also get knocked out of the air for the same reason.
LOL i thought Dehya and Xinyan were gonna be really close at 6:37 and I was like "OH yo this is close" then I realise Dehya was still in the first phase of Masanori😭😭😭
@@monsieurmikay problem with her is that she need two different characters as 1 buff namely superconduct. Eula and Razor doesn't have that problem. Plus she was the start of mixed scaling characters scaling with both atk and def.
Physical characters have a tendency to be a Victim of Hoyoverse's design where characters need to be a certain element to be a main physical DPS (which is just... Stupid). But she's a good Phys Sub DPS. off-topic though, this reply section gave me a great idea for the 8th "element". Why not just release characters that don't have visions that specialize in Physical DPS.
Diluc's constellations aren't massive boosts to his damage. It's pretty marginal but when compared to Dehya, even that's too much, so I can see why he would need to be omitted. XD
Diluc does more pure damage without reactions, so he would destroy dehya solo, as alhaitham is an em focused character. Meanwhile, with a team, there isn’t even a contest, because at least diluc can drive xingqiu.
just in, dehya travels to inazuma in search of a punch sensei to learn the martial art of folding your enemies with a single punch. Dehya already has a metal arm you know... ( geeeenoos)
Fun fact from Xinyan mains. When you build her for her c6 with Def build, if you do her charge attack and immediately burst out of it, she keeps the atk buff long enough for it to affect her burst. So def build can actually function as well as her atk one.
@@ni_gr3do you hold the charged and when you start to spin instantly dodge and right after you use the sprint (like after pressing the button) spam the burst button. you should get it
Except Alhiethem also didn't perform that well was even beaten by Xinyan in some cases. In fact he only had 1 impressive win, the rest were losses or a win by only a few seconds.
@@gnuhgnauqneyugnCorrect but even in the abyss run he only won by 9 seconds over Xinyan. All im saying is he wasn't that massively impressive to say this was a blowout win when it actually made him not look so good.
@@joeyisabsb1 also not to mention he REALLY benefited from kazuha’s c2 (200 em) as well as nahida’s c2 (def shred). Oh did i mention the abyssal moon too? Buffing spread reaction?
I'm sorry I just can't....the SYNCHRONIZATION at 13:33 is just insane! It just proves that IWTL is a veteran that when casting the same comboes, he has absolutely no wasted movement and casts skills down to the milliseconds! HOLY SHIT.
Tip for triple Kenkis: If you use Kazuha’s skill right at the start of the battle, or if you run to the left side of the map, the cryo one will not dash.
I turned away from the screen for a few moments and I saw 6:33 and I was like "Huh, Dehya's tied with Xinyan?". Turned out she was still on the first phase while Xinyan already finished the fight.
nothing will ever feel good about qiqi especially after getting C1 and up atleast Dehya C6 becomes mid as for qiqi her C6 doesn't do shit and i am so unlucky i got her to C4 before any other standard banner character
@Darkforce I really doubt Qiqi is good in taser and hyperbloom teams but ok I guess, the only thing that I know Qiqi is somewhat useful is for cryo resonance and if u don't have any shielder or healer char
i think yall forgot that iwtl uses the power of math to balance his c6 charas. he's done c6 vs c0 charas a few times before, he just weakened the c6 chara by using worse artifacts n stuff
So Xinyan has a lower energy cost than Deyha and actually gives a shield instead of “I‘ll take the dmg for ya” I think that means Xiangling is a good character
Xinyan's main and probably only real issue is her split scaling. However, you can build her fully into DEF for shields or fully into ATK for damage. Whereas with Dehya even that is not possible because both her skill and burst damage is split scaled. And that's on top of her energy issues, low multipliers, etc. etc.
@@lstsoul4376 and this is the first time Pyro has been defeated by physical unit. and its Xinyan!!! xD not even Razor or Eula. Xinyan vs Dehya will be even worst when Mika comes out buffing physical more :)
The video got posted 1 minute ago but my guess is the winner of this video will either be Yelan or Xiangling Edit: After watching the video I guess I wasn't exactly wrong and uh somehow Dehya managed to be worse than I expected I don't even know how that is possible but cool at least she will create a whole new tier for herself at the bottom that is
The way Xinyan can spin-to-win whenever she likes because she's a physical DPS girlie but Dehya needs to have 70 energy to do some punches for 4 seconds.
With C6 Xinyan, you can get more damage out of her burst by dash cancelling out of a charged attack after hitting with her skill. C6 works differently than it's worded. While she's charged attacking, her attack is buffed by 50% of her defense, and that lingers just long enough that you can hit with her burst with a dash cancel.
@@Skyeblu224 No, some characters can still compete, like Hu Tao in funerational, or childe in international with the double swirl setup. Ganyu in melt also counts, though xiangling isn’t built for damage in that team.
That support is Mika.... at c6. The 3.5 livestream revealed his kit but his kit was already fully revealed during beta. He actually gives nothing for Eula. She won't recieve his buff because of how long her burst wind-up is. For Physical Fischl/Xinyan he'll be good. At c0 he's Okayage but at c6 he's decent (his c6 increases Physical crit damage by 50). I'm convinced that he is designed for futute Physical characters since he doesn't even work with Eula the only 5 star Physical dps and even at c6 would still be worse than rosaria or diona due to energy. Physical Fischl is actually really run to play all things considered and much better than Xinyan due to bows not having hit lag and her being an actual good element for Physical. Note in this video that Physical Xinyan team has awful energy regeneration and a c2 5 five that cost upwards to 200+ pulls. She is getting hyper buff by her teammates and the average f2p to Welkin player will not be able to reach those numbers. It can do 300k damage every 2 minutes. That may sound like a lot until you realize floor 12 has millions of hp and you have to clear within an reasonable 90 seconds on each side. If you do the math with the team in the video it won't be having an great time and you will struggle. I pulled for Dehya fully knowing how crap she was and made her 'functional' in a hypercarry team with Mona, and Bennett. But they must have 300 er and she must have 200. People focus too much on attack and crit and never focus on ER which is the most important thing imo and then are surprised when the team feels crap to play not to mention not researching enough. Edit: My hopium for Physical is that it will get its time to shine in Fontaine (4.0) or Snezhnaya (6.0). I personally look at leaks and I'll respect the people who don't won't any spoilers aside for elements of future 4.0 characters with no other details. Although there is no details or confirmations within the community it does seem like a lot more cryo and electro characters are coming based off of the designs. 2.0 brought meta as a whole as the game mechanics came common knowledge. 3.0 flipped the Vaporize, Freeze, Taser meta on it's side with dendro making EM extremely valuable and making it easy to get high damage fast. 4.0 might introduce shields that may only to able to be cracked via Brute force or introduce enemies that can you shot you. I honestly have no clue what 4.0 holds meta wise and it probably won't reveal itself until 3.7/8 but I'm excited after the back to back dendro characters.
Support or not isn't the only matter, what also matters is the enemy. Maybe in the future we'll have more mobs or bosses that have low phy res and really high every elemental res. That way, physical dps will shine.
Little tip for all my spin to win friends (or just anyone who uses charged attacks with claymores), if you open the map once you’ve started spinning, you won’t stop until you run out of stamina
Wouldn't another character be better to compare Xinyan and Dehya to than Alhaitham? I would honestly go for someone like Diluc since there were already people comparing him with Dehya (both of them being on the standard banner). Alhaitham raw damage is not his strength, as you said, since dendro needs to work with reactions. Diluc would be another pyro DPS who would use the same supports instead of going for a different team. Maybe if you don't have C0 Diluc (because I don't think you do tbh), someone could let you borrow their account for the showdown?
probably he tried, but his friends might have constellations already since Diluc has been around for 2 years already. most accounts playing since 1.0 probably have constellations and WGS with refinement
I think it's useful to include a meta team, like Alhaitham's, so that we can see a direct comparison between optimal and not-so-optimal. That said, I would've liked to have seen Diluc included in these runs, too.
@@uncaringbear perhaps it will hurt Dehya's lovers xD a lot of them keeps proving Dehya to be good in social media. we know how powerful meta teams are. its a massacre if we use them. something like Raiden National or Childe. or Nilou team xD
@@uncaringbear thing is.. this al is not being used to the best of his ability. Throw him on a nilou team and everything would die. Aggravate kazuha if he REALLY wanted to would be better. Or just any other variations. Plus he's not using their best weapons just to 'keep it fair' when someone like dehya NEEDS her claymore to have any kind of chance. Even then though alhaitham is still the stronger of the two just because of how cracked dendro really is. On top of being MUCH more flexible for teams unlike dehya who NEEDS c6r5, c6 kazuha, c6 mona, c6 bennett.
Does it really matter if it's diluc or not? Since it was literally beaten by a weak 4*. She's also beaten by thoma in the burgeon team, so there's that.
This video, while perfectly highlighting the issues with Dehya's kit (literally losing to Xinyan in Pyro damage, despite the latter not even being made for that), managed to surprise me a lot more than I first expected. I definitely did not expect Physical Xinyan to be so good, and now that we know that we are getting what's basically a Physical Sara for Physical characters, she could actually see a comeback, and a really good one... I'm now looking forward to Mika's release, and his impact on Physical characters.
Xinyan doesn't need the superconduct just give her Zhongli and Gorou. Both Zhon and Xin shred phys resist while Xin buffs phys damage, giving a similar effect. Gor adds Def which benefits Xin's kit and Redhorns passive. Though, since your bennet is C6, you'll have to use someone else to buff her burst damage. Could probably go with Mona or Sara, but then there's no one to give particles to Xin, unless you go full favonious team
it was obvious AlHaitham was going to win, the size of the margin did surprise me, but i fully expected him to win i feel it would be better to keep characters of similar perceived power levels in the same DPS showdown when possible, making Dori a better match for Xinyan and Dehya
I agree, its no point to check out the video if one of the characters obviously does faaarrrrr more damage. Even just Dehya vs Xinyan would have been a video i watched. Instead i just clicked and scrolled to the first comment about the obvious difference in characters
@@DoeboyFreshNESS Well, Alt is still interesting, just because he hasn't been done to death in these. Had it been Raiden, for example... Personally, though, I'd have liked to see Kokomi, as I think she is the character that, design intent-wise, has the most in common with Dehya. So then you have a defensive, off-field elemental applicator who plays at being DPS during their burst with something to limit their ceiling potential on one side, and the female pyro claymore user on the other... the two characters with the most in common.
Damm all the way down to dori! We can’t disgrace delay like that 😂😂😂. I they are showing what a normal 5 star dps should be doing, vs what delay is doing
@@youravghuman5231 what you are saying makes complete sense, its just the video is called dps showdown and the thumbnail says who is the strongest. Both of those are, relatively silly with obvious answers. Now if the title or thumbnail was called "Dps Comparison" like wat you are saying it your comment, then the whole concept of the video would make wayyyy more sense, and i would definitely be intrigued in a video "comparing" dps, rather than a "showdown"
Seeing the full team comparisons, I can't help but think that the relatively small differences in the time margins shouldn't be understated. I'm also impressed by Xinyan's overall performance, particularly her physical. Perhaps a day will come when Mihoyo does justice for physical (and geo).
I want to see a 4th version with Kazuha Bennett and Xiangling just ignoring the 4th character. I'm not convinced Xinyan and Dehya are actually paying for the cost of their field time.
I’m pretty sure Bennett kazuha xiangling with dps Bennett build sacrificing all em due to bennett’s massive energy generation would actually win compared to dehya/xinyan, and almost definitely if an anemo character is brought to activate anemo resonance without doing anything.
TenTen did that in this video: th-cam.com/video/DhNP5BzLsXg/w-d-xo.html It compares mono-pyro with Dehya to the same team except no Dehya. As in, 3 man, so no pyro resonance. It is an amusing watch.
@@youravghuman5231 yep. But its the current fastest for f2p if im not mistaken. For whales, ofc there’s bunch of them like hyper raiden, yelan teams, ayaka+hutao, etc.
Yessss justice for my gal, rock 'n roll baby! Loved this showcase, perhaps now people finally recognize that Xinyan isn't nearly as bad as people make her seem.
Probably because there will eventually be a character that will have a similarish damage over time mechanic and a 50 percent or whatever it was boost to skill and burst damage is kinda insane
It was not made for her, but for future characters. No way they will make a dedicated artifacts for standard banner units. Her bis is still emblem set.
@@backpackpepelon3867 have you read what the artifact set does? When the character takes dmg ( even outfield) their elemental skill and burst are buffed by 10% (50% max) . Also it buffs hp by 20%
Little tipp for physical xinyan. Do a short charge attack before the burst to get the defense conversion to attack so it buffs her high physical dmg multiplier of the burst
I think the gap would widen between Al Haitian and the others in the first abyss half not just because of chamber 3 but also hyperbloom would gain much more value in general
I main Xinyan in my early days on GI love her design & now i got Dehya c1 w/ bis, yea shes bad but decent not really recommend to use on abyss tho. I just really love her character so cool!
that's a great mindset :) you play for fun and whichever units you like. genshin isn't hard to begin with. though dehya is surprisingly disappointing as a 5star
@@lsnexus2080 I'd argue that while you should pull for Dehya if you want to. Dont spend any money for herald pull using saved primos. It sends a message to Hoyoverse that they can do this shit again
If they made Dehya an HP scaling character like Yelan, even with the low Multipliers, she would be a lot better than she is now. Yeah she'll still have energy issues, but that could be resolved by lowering her burst and/or increasing her particle generation.
This was hard to watch. It’s always the characters I love that get the worst kits, then the complete opposite for the characters I have no interest in, Although I must say I’m really proud of my girl Xinyan for holding on as much as she could against Alhaitham
I know your feels, when i start play this game i saw xinyan and was like " Omggg What a beautiful and coollll character, i want her só muchh " then i discorvered she is one of the most weak characters, and now comes Dehya...and yeah...we all see how Dehya was release ;/ thats painfull
@@vin_cy4129 so true. I think what hurts more than Dehya’s Kit (along with many other things) is the fact that #FixDehya probably won’t change anything and she’ll stay like this forever :(
The biggest take way in this video is @17:30. So sad when that's what there is to say about a 5 star character that so many people were looking forward to for months. Oh well it is what it is.. still full stars in abyss. Anyway good video, very entertaining!
With characters like these it might be interesting to see the abyss runs with just supports, to see how much actual dmg was contributed by Benny, XL, and Kazuha
You know xinyan's ult has 100% crit chance, so I'm kinda curious of her damage if you just slap a peak crit dmg artifacts on her without any crit rate 🤔
What's sad is Xinyan is WAY more useful as well considering she can be played kind of quick swap for her burst that has 100% crit rate, she's pyro and good for mono pyro and has a shield...not to mention her spinning blades of death
Awesome showdown ! Also as someone who loves Xinyan as a character, but also feels let down by the jokes made at her expense by members of the community because she's not meta, this was really cool to see. I really hope physical units like Xinyan get the supports they need to be fully realised in the game.
I love these videos. The commentary is pure gold. I’ve moved on from this game and into a leauge addiction but I still watch these videos just to get a feel from the game.
I knew looking at Shigure and his BiS that Haitham was a ST focused character but I didn't expect him to struggle that much in AoE. Due to Dendro and Anemo anti-synergy he doesn't get anything from Kazuha outside grouping. The electro units might get something but Yae is the only AoE electro off field damage dealer with Fischl being ST, Sara a buffer with energy issue and Kuki a healer with not much personal damage. Going for Yae makes the team play with no healer other than replacing Nahida which is a huge drop in spread team, going for Kuki over Yae too. This issue doesn't exist for C6 Nahida and C6 Yae but at the level most people are this ain't pretty.
@@cosmictrainer2919 Rotation or not he needs Anemo grouper for this setting and anemo is a DPS loss for Dendro teams outside Aggravate and Burning. Team player, yeah right. He helps the team by killing stuff faster. This doesn't answer the AoE question either.
Alhaitham, Yae Miko, Zhongli, and Nahida/DMC is my best team and I don't really "struggle" in AOE. This issue only happens when enemies are too far apart and all of them are ranged tho but if AOE against melee mobs? Easiest clear.
@@shandianjy Yeah, I'm talking about spread out enemy. Close enemy aren't an issue for Hu Tao and Tighnari teams either, so I don't expect him to struggle in something like triple Kenki if they don't fuck off somewhere.
Not surprised about Xinyan performances, in spite of her kit and bugged shield, she is not THAT bad. Very saddened by Dehya 's performances though. Poor girl. :(
3 stages of Dehya's main emotional damage: 1. Delusion 2. Copium 3. Depression Then proceed to complain the game is way too hard so that Hoyoverse can purposely make the game less stressful and challenging.
@@TooCoolBro this isn't even his best team comps though. There's MUCH better out there for alhaitham by a long shot. Not to mention he's much more flexible in team building vs Dehya or Xinyan.
21:27 That was super subtle, Mr. TH-camr (Wink Wink). Just forgot to add an "Attack Speed buffer" to be even more subtle (Even though Xinyan doesn't really attack much, she spins most of the time e.e)
Not surprised, to the fact that Bennet xl and kazuha can make every dps in the game performs very good and better just like alhaitham with nahida/(kuki as electro applier)
It's mainly because of the bottom half is really not being suited for Alhaitham at all, being a lot of light enemies and CC-dependent whilst his best teams are usually single-target oriented and better for bossing/heavy mobs. The damage thresholds are low enough (usually only around 1 million HP per chamber if you have good AoE) that grouping and AoE coverage matter more than DPS. If he did the test on the top half which has more than double the HP per chamber (even excluding the ASIMON quicken check) Alhaitham would pull ahead significantly.
XInyan is actually quite strong with the right build... I do hope with the new characters (*cough*Mika*cough*) can further make her more favorable in terms of meta! Also when will we see IWTL plays Raid Shadow Legends 😆
because alhaitam isnt really deal the damage in hyperboom. he just dendro enabler in hyperbloom team. if its spreed team his damage will better. u can see the robot chicken team when he deal spread damage.
@@lyngaming7912 No, if you see calculation sheet, Alhaitham even out DMG the hyperbloom. He contribute the most DMG, then hyperbloom then Xingqiu personal DMG There is a reason why he is the best C0 DPS atm, not only because of his compactible to one of the best budget team but also he has very high personal DMG
That's goddamn wrong when Alhaitham literally contribute more DMG than hyperbloom. Kuki doesn't carry this team DMG, she is at most an equal sources of DMG output that also bring benefit of healing
@@lyngaming7912 ain't no way you think he's only a Dendro enabler in hyperbloom 💀💀💀💀 he's literally the main source of dmg in both spread and hyperbloom
Not sure if you ever thought about it, but I think it's a cool idea to make a patreon where you'd do "bonus comparisons" or something. For example, I think there are people that would love to see a bonus comparison with C1 Dehya. Make it so that lower tiers could only watch, and higher tiers could even request or vote for comparisons/tests. What do you think?
The problem is that the biggest issue with her kit is the split scaling. And the only way to fix that currently is with the Redhorn, a five star weapon off the weapon banners. That lets you run a def timepiece, which makes her shield much better, while still keeping up her offense. Though you also want her to be C6. They really need to implement a new story quest for Xinyan that gives as its reward a recipe for a crafted claymore designed to give her that def scaling she should have in her kit but doesn't. That or they should add it to her kit, but, well, they won't do that.
@@Axterix13 I completely agree, she's not without her flaws and needs some more investment than meta 5 stars. I don't think Hoyo will ever try to fix these things. They want to focus on new characters and also won't give 4 stars as powerful as they did before, so people spend more on banners. Maybe one day we will get an event weapon or craftable that suits her better. Other characters suffer from the lack of weapon choice too, Layla for example.
21:25 Does Shenhe count as a decent cryo support for physical Xinyan? She lowers physical defense by 15% with her Q, and her Hold E increases Charge Attack damage by 15%... It's not huge, by any means, but it's something, right?
Shenhe is more of a cryo support since her main buff is her icy quill stack and the res shred is only a bonus, she also has an 80 energy cost with 20s cd which may cause energy issues and downtime issues
Xinyan with Stone+C6 Bennett sounds like a lot of fun indeed, kinda like 4 star Diluc pretty much Anyway I think Dehya could be a great character if she has 100% uptime on her skill and poise buff and 40 energy cost with 12 sec CD instead of whatever ungodly amount she has right now. Oh and HP scaling at C0 would be nice too. I don't think anyone would complain about her if is was released with this as her basic skill set, no need to make her number bigger, although that would be a welcome change, just make her easier to use (oh and the fact that she doesn't trigger XQ, Yelan, Fischl etc need to be fixed, if Raiden burst can't work with Beidou but work with anyone else, why can't Dehya do the same)
I would LOVE to have a 4* that reduces phys res by 50% so that it can work on top of superconduct (which is 40% reduction), and that they can also increase atk speed. This would be a perfect support for physical damage dealers
No, it wouldn't. A useful phys support would need to be a grouper,, ideally non-anemo, as most physicals are melee, but VV and EM are both pretty useless to phys builds, and so is elemental DMG. The second most useful thing it could do is straight up apply superconduct. This would free physical from the cryo/electro cage. And then, yeah, some stuff to up the damage outside of that, as well as give partial penetration of shields by physical.
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if you put 2pc blood 2pc pale on xinyan the physical damage would be even better since she can't proc 4pc pale due to her long second skill cooldown. amazing stuff though
@@zarker1490 C2 gives her a level 3 shield after her burst, which pulses and procs the 4 piece effect.
personally single target will never be dehya's speciality. I also think that burgeon or a sub dps roll make more sense to go that route IMO. I willing to say dehya will never be top tier, but mono pyro is just bad since the other reactions do well with em builds with low investment, also single target enemies put her at a distinct disadvantage to have her onfield for a long time. Personally it makes more since for someone like the wanderer, xiao, or Hu Tao to be the on field unit to maximize their dmg through lost hp by using the hyper armor through their dps window and rotate in dehya than the on field.
I would like to see you try the team I built using the burgeon method despite it being dolphin team I used. Nahida c0, kokomi c1, ayato c0, and dehya c1 in a burgeon set up can easily clear floor 12. Now for the melt setup I build for her was actually Rosaria, kazuha, yao yao and dehya to get a reverse melt going as Rosaria as a driver
@@longsuffer I think I saw something about how Dehya’s E field doesn’t extend upwards so Wanderer actually can’t use her super armor when he’s flying. Xiao can also get knocked out of the air for the same reason.
hi can i get the name of the liyue remix song at 7.35. or name of the song please thanks its sound really good
LOL i thought Dehya and Xinyan were gonna be really close at 6:37 and I was like "OH yo this is close" then I realise Dehya was still in the first phase of Masanori😭😭😭
Same😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Same Imao 😭😭😭😭
I would like to apologize to Dehya for calling her a 5 star Xinyan, in truth she is 3 star Xinyan.
you should be apologising to xinyan lol
should've apologized to Xinyan instead
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Deyha has stars? Here I thought she was just a coding glitch, Like MissingNo from Pokemon.
😂 I can’t
lol....
Xinyan winning the first one just about killed me 💀
She's actually a good phys. DPS, people should just stop hating!
@@monsieurmikay problem with her is that she need two different characters as 1 buff namely superconduct. Eula and Razor doesn't have that problem. Plus she was the start of mixed scaling characters scaling with both atk and def.
@@rust8995 yeah as a physical dmg connoisseur. I really want more phy buffers
@@rust8995 Mika will be helping out soon ^^
Physical characters have a tendency to be a Victim of Hoyoverse's design where characters need to be a certain element to be a main physical DPS (which is just... Stupid). But she's a good Phys Sub DPS.
off-topic though, this reply section gave me a great idea for the 8th "element". Why not just release characters that don't have visions that specialize in Physical DPS.
The fact that alhaitham even started doing his idles while he waited for dehya and xinyan to finish the robot chicken 😭
Gotta maximize the flexing.
I feel like Diluc should have been used here instead of Alhaitham since he's also standard 5☆ like , but I get it you probably don't have him at C0
he would have won probably
He has no char at c0 besides aloy anymore I think. When he does these “c0” showcases it’s by scaling down dmg afaik
Could be wrong tho
@@tizurl Nah he has multiple accounts where he doesnt level constellations/doesnt level them before making a video first
Diluc's constellations aren't massive boosts to his damage. It's pretty marginal but when compared to Dehya, even that's too much, so I can see why he would need to be omitted. XD
Diluc does more pure damage without reactions, so he would destroy dehya solo, as alhaitham is an em focused character. Meanwhile, with a team, there isn’t even a contest, because at least diluc can drive xingqiu.
Heizou's single E punch does more damage than all of Dehya's Q punches.
just in, dehya travels to inazuma in search of a punch sensei to learn the martial art of folding your enemies with a single punch. Dehya already has a metal arm you know... ( geeeenoos)
He has my biggest crit at 590k
Heizou N1 does more dmg than Dehya's whole ult attack string
@@leandroTRA And Heizou isn't at his full potential yet. He needs to lose his hair to gain the ultimate strength.
@@Kat-37i9 is what with or without C6 Faruzan?
Poor Dehya they did you so bad, No parents, No damage No respect but I love how much we all love her and try to find a way to make her stronger ❤
Waiting for hydro archon. I really think she'll get buffed like keqing
@@xenajin6827 I can't inhale more copium
@@xenajin6827 wow… good luck my guy
That’s huge copeium LMAO
yeah remember when kokomi release, bruh the community hate her, and now when dendro release everyone want her
Fun fact from Xinyan mains. When you build her for her c6 with Def build, if you do her charge attack and immediately burst out of it, she keeps the atk buff long enough for it to affect her burst. So def build can actually function as well as her atk one.
thank you for helping other xinyan mains know about this trick! its actually really useful for nukes!
Atk% is still preferred.
@@Qopa yeah but it’s helpful for the spinyan mains!
WAIT, ARE YOU FOR REAL!?
I've tried it many times, but've failed mercilessly, is there any ruse for this?
@@ni_gr3do you hold the charged and when you start to spin instantly dodge and right after you use the sprint (like after pressing the button) spam the burst button. you should get it
Honestly shocked me how good Xinyan is. The only good thing about Dehya rn is that she's taught us to not disrespect Xinyan
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More like how good Xiangling, Bennett are LOL
@@ahumanperson1638 in the solo comparisons she did the best
Shoutout to itto's wep
It's supposedly his but Noelle and Xinyan also scale with Def... And you know, are Claymore characters
You should had used Signora's ashes instead of Alhiethem for a more fair showdown against these 2.
that's mean as hell, i like it!
Except Alhiethem also didn't perform that well was even beaten by Xinyan in some cases. In fact he only had 1 impressive win, the rest were losses or a win by only a few seconds.
@@joeyisabsb1 Then again, Alhaitham only lost in a solo situation. He wasn't designed to be used solo.
@@gnuhgnauqneyugnCorrect but even in the abyss run he only won by 9 seconds over Xinyan. All im saying is he wasn't that massively impressive to say this was a blowout win when it actually made him not look so good.
@@joeyisabsb1 also not to mention he REALLY benefited from kazuha’s c2 (200 em) as well as nahida’s c2 (def shred). Oh did i mention the abyssal moon too? Buffing spread reaction?
At this point I just watch Dehya videos for the comments. She’s literally the top meta for being a meme. 😭
"She’s literally the top meta for being a meme"
Man that's was so f sad, but it made me crack the f*ck up!! 🤣👍
Bringing alheitham to the mix is borderline bullying
Tbf he's only C0
Alhaitham's REAL numbers come with constellations. That would've been utterly unfair to the absolute extreme
@@moonbird-3542 wut? His constellations do not add much dmg. His best constellation is Nahida's C2
@@moonbird-3542 his cons aren't that great wdym
he's also dogshit wdym
@@pyronado4320 yeah but his c6 is pretty juicy . its like 30% increase.
I'm sorry I just can't....the SYNCHRONIZATION at 13:33 is just insane! It just proves that IWTL is a veteran that when casting the same comboes, he has absolutely no wasted movement and casts skills down to the milliseconds! HOLY SHIT.
Probably took a few runs to make that perfect run.
Tip for triple Kenkis: If you use Kazuha’s skill right at the start of the battle, or if you run to the left side of the map, the cryo one will not dash.
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Oh that's why my team with Kazuha obliterated the Kenkis in Spyral Abyss. Thanks for the tip
They’re kinda gone now-
@@mmmkay2457 yeah no shit the abyss changed to "buff" dehya
I turned away from the screen for a few moments and I saw 6:33 and I was like "Huh, Dehya's tied with Xinyan?". Turned out she was still on the first phase while Xinyan already finished the fight.
Hoyoverse really made a character to make you feel good when you pull a Qiqi instead of Dehya
nothing will ever feel good about qiqi especially after getting C1 and up atleast Dehya C6 becomes mid as for qiqi her C6 doesn't do shit and i am so unlucky i got her to C4 before any other standard banner character
@Darkforce she just heals and applies cryo every 2 seconds, what else can she do to make her more viable?
@homudark idk both ass the same way if u ask me lmao never used qiqi never gonna use her i will 36 abyss with the characters that are actually good
@Darkforce I really doubt Qiqi is good in taser and hyperbloom teams but ok I guess, the only thing that I know Qiqi is somewhat useful is for cryo resonance and if u don't have any shielder or healer char
I've always wanted Qiqi…
C1 will be mine… someday.
I cant believe you didnt include the other 5 star claymore user, Diluc in this showdown
His diluc is c6 so the results would be really skewed
would be unfair. IWTL's Diluc is C6 already. plus the weapon is R5. no way to compare against C0. unless there's an option to toggle constellations
@@lsnexus2080 he has multiple accs wdym
@@reolsimple7036 even if you have multiple accounts, since he is pulling for units, probably the chance of getting diluc is still there.
i think yall forgot that iwtl uses the power of math to balance his c6 charas. he's done c6 vs c0 charas a few times before, he just weakened the c6 chara by using worse artifacts n stuff
So Xinyan has a lower energy cost than Deyha and actually gives a shield instead of “I‘ll take the dmg for ya”
I think that means Xiangling is a good character
xinyan is the 5 star dehya
Yeah, the point of the video stays : xaingling is a broken dps and kazuha and bennett are broken supports 😂
@@ahlemlora1452 and xinyan is the 5*
Dehya is the 3*
Xinyan's shield is next to worthless though.
Xinyan's main and probably only real issue is her split scaling. However, you can build her fully into DEF for shields or fully into ATK for damage. Whereas with Dehya even that is not possible because both her skill and burst damage is split scaled. And that's on top of her energy issues, low multipliers, etc. etc.
Yay! Our girl Xinyan gets her time to shine! I'll be honest, she surprised me, I'm pretty proud!
13:32 The timings of the Xinyan run and Dehya run is so satisfying. Xiangling even said the same voicelines TWICE!
DPS in Dehya’s context stands for Dead Power Status
i’m convinced that xinyan would be one of the best 4* dps characters if she were electro or cryo for better access to super conduct
Physical isn’t good tbh
@@lstsoul4376 and this is the first time Pyro has been defeated by physical unit. and its Xinyan!!! xD not even Razor or Eula. Xinyan vs Dehya will be even worst when Mika comes out buffing physical more :)
@@lsnexus2080 Ooh, we don’t consider c0 Dehya a character here. The least we could do is c4
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 damn xD not even C1 or C2.. but C4 xD
@@lsnexus2080 before c4 she has energy issue, by that I mean her burst is unusable outside of mono pyro
The video got posted 1 minute ago but my guess is the winner of this video will either be Yelan or Xiangling
Edit: After watching the video I guess I wasn't exactly wrong and uh somehow Dehya managed to be worse than I expected I don't even know how that is possible but cool at least she will create a whole new tier for herself at the bottom that is
TRUE
Xiangling and Kazuha totally carried Dehya's team💀
spoiler: its kazuha
The way Xinyan can spin-to-win whenever she likes because she's a physical DPS girlie but Dehya needs to have 70 energy to do some punches for 4 seconds.
With C6 Xinyan, you can get more damage out of her burst by dash cancelling out of a charged attack after hitting with her skill. C6 works differently than it's worded. While she's charged attacking, her attack is buffed by 50% of her defense, and that lingers just long enough that you can hit with her burst with a dash cancel.
" -Dehya's team- Xiangling was able to two-cycle the triple Maguu Kenkis "
New Xiangling team looking good but dehyas a wierd choice
Xingling + Bennett + Kazuha + Doesnt matter who tf is the last character is always a Xingling hypercarry team .
@@goodfriend4059 if xiangling is on your team
*your not the main dps anymore*
@@Skyeblu224 No, some characters can still compete, like Hu Tao in funerational, or childe in international with the double swirl setup. Ganyu in melt also counts, though xiangling isn’t built for damage in that team.
@@georgezhang1573 5 star charecters can
*Compete* with a free 4 star
Queen Xinyan consistently slaying as usual
What I got from this video is that should physical ever get the supports it needs, Xinyan's gonna be absolutely insane!
That support is Mika.... at c6. The 3.5 livestream revealed his kit but his kit was already fully revealed during beta. He actually gives nothing for Eula. She won't recieve his buff because of how long her burst wind-up is. For Physical Fischl/Xinyan he'll be good. At c0 he's Okayage but at c6 he's decent (his c6 increases Physical crit damage by 50). I'm convinced that he is designed for futute Physical characters since he doesn't even work with Eula the only 5 star Physical dps and even at c6 would still be worse than rosaria or diona due to energy. Physical Fischl is actually really run to play all things considered and much better than Xinyan due to bows not having hit lag and her being an actual good element for Physical.
Note in this video that Physical Xinyan team has awful energy regeneration and a c2 5 five that cost upwards to 200+ pulls. She is getting hyper buff by her teammates and the average f2p to Welkin player will not be able to reach those numbers. It can do 300k damage every 2 minutes. That may sound like a lot until you realize floor 12 has millions of hp and you have to clear within an reasonable 90 seconds on each side. If you do the math with the team in the video it won't be having an great time and you will struggle.
I pulled for Dehya fully knowing how crap she was and made her 'functional' in a hypercarry team with Mona, and Bennett. But they must have 300 er and she must have 200. People focus too much on attack and crit and never focus on ER which is the most important thing imo and then are surprised when the team feels crap to play not to mention not researching enough.
Edit: My hopium for Physical is that it will get its time to shine in Fontaine (4.0) or Snezhnaya (6.0). I personally look at leaks and I'll respect the people who don't won't any spoilers aside for elements of future 4.0 characters with no other details.
Although there is no details or confirmations within the community it does seem like a lot more cryo and electro characters are coming based off of the designs. 2.0 brought meta as a whole as the game mechanics came common knowledge. 3.0 flipped the Vaporize, Freeze, Taser meta on it's side with dendro making EM extremely valuable and making it easy to get high damage fast. 4.0 might introduce shields that may only to able to be cracked via Brute force or introduce enemies that can you shot you. I honestly have no clue what 4.0 holds meta wise and it probably won't reveal itself until 3.7/8 but I'm excited after the back to back dendro characters.
Mika
Support or not isn't the only matter, what also matters is the enemy. Maybe in the future we'll have more mobs or bosses that have low phy res and really high every elemental res. That way, physical dps will shine.
Or maybe, just maybe an artifact set that reduce physical res since dendro got deepwood while the element itself is absurdly strong :copium:
If have the red horn stontresher! And c6 Mika you will be fine
Little tip for all my spin to win friends (or just anyone who uses charged attacks with claymores), if you open the map once you’ve started spinning, you won’t stop until you run out of stamina
Wouldn't another character be better to compare Xinyan and Dehya to than Alhaitham? I would honestly go for someone like Diluc since there were already people comparing him with Dehya (both of them being on the standard banner). Alhaitham raw damage is not his strength, as you said, since dendro needs to work with reactions. Diluc would be another pyro DPS who would use the same supports instead of going for a different team.
Maybe if you don't have C0 Diluc (because I don't think you do tbh), someone could let you borrow their account for the showdown?
probably he tried, but his friends might have constellations already since Diluc has been around for 2 years already. most accounts playing since 1.0 probably have constellations and WGS with refinement
I think it's useful to include a meta team, like Alhaitham's, so that we can see a direct comparison between optimal and not-so-optimal. That said, I would've liked to have seen Diluc included in these runs, too.
@@uncaringbear perhaps it will hurt Dehya's lovers xD a lot of them keeps proving Dehya to be good in social media. we know how powerful meta teams are. its a massacre if we use them. something like Raiden National or Childe. or Nilou team xD
@@uncaringbear thing is.. this al is not being used to the best of his ability. Throw him on a nilou team and everything would die. Aggravate kazuha if he REALLY wanted to would be better. Or just any other variations. Plus he's not using their best weapons just to 'keep it fair' when someone like dehya NEEDS her claymore to have any kind of chance.
Even then though alhaitham is still the stronger of the two just because of how cracked dendro really is. On top of being MUCH more flexible for teams unlike dehya who NEEDS c6r5, c6 kazuha, c6 mona, c6 bennett.
Does it really matter if it's diluc or not? Since it was literally beaten by a weak 4*.
She's also beaten by thoma in the burgeon team, so there's that.
This video, while perfectly highlighting the issues with Dehya's kit (literally losing to Xinyan in Pyro damage, despite the latter not even being made for that), managed to surprise me a lot more than I first expected. I definitely did not expect Physical Xinyan to be so good, and now that we know that we are getting what's basically a Physical Sara for Physical characters, she could actually see a comeback, and a really good one...
I'm now looking forward to Mika's release, and his impact on Physical characters.
I can’t believe Dehya made Xinyan look this good 😂😂
Xinyan doesn't need the superconduct just give her Zhongli and Gorou. Both Zhon and Xin shred phys resist while Xin buffs phys damage, giving a similar effect. Gor adds Def which benefits Xin's kit and Redhorns passive. Though, since your bennet is C6, you'll have to use someone else to buff her burst damage. Could probably go with Mona or Sara, but then there's no one to give particles to Xin, unless you go full favonious team
I sure do wanna see some physical supports in the future for xinyan and razor because they output respectable damage.
comparing a 3*, a 4*, and a 5*!!! I sure do wonder what the results will be
you mean a 4*, a 3* then a 5*
@@qq-vm2iv they didn't specify which one is which...
@@tetept4obviously the last one is alhaitham so just using context clues here
@@qq-vm2iv i just went in number order
3 star Dehya 😂😂
I was really surprised by xinyan performance 😧
That performance is called the godly trio (xaingling, bennett, kazuha) 😁
@@ahlemlora1452 even without them xinyan still did better than Dehya
Dendritic and electro is the meta, it’s not surprising.
@@ahlemlora1452 like what joel said
Amazing how Alhaitham with electro pulled ahead by a such significant margine
well obviously💀 dendro on its own barely does damage since it’s such a reaction-reliant element
it was obvious AlHaitham was going to win, the size of the margin did surprise me, but i fully expected him to win
i feel it would be better to keep characters of similar perceived power levels in the same DPS showdown when possible, making Dori a better match for Xinyan and Dehya
I agree, its no point to check out the video if one of the characters obviously does faaarrrrr more damage. Even just Dehya vs Xinyan would have been a video i watched. Instead i just clicked and scrolled to the first comment about the obvious difference in characters
@@DoeboyFreshNESS Well, Alt is still interesting, just because he hasn't been done to death in these. Had it been Raiden, for example...
Personally, though, I'd have liked to see Kokomi, as I think she is the character that, design intent-wise, has the most in common with Dehya. So then you have a defensive, off-field elemental applicator who plays at being DPS during their burst with something to limit their ceiling potential on one side, and the female pyro claymore user on the other... the two characters with the most in common.
It's to compare them against the latest meta comp and how close their power is to the meta comp. There's no point in not doing that.
Damm all the way down to dori! We can’t disgrace delay like that 😂😂😂. I they are showing what a normal 5 star dps should be doing, vs what delay is doing
@@youravghuman5231 what you are saying makes complete sense, its just the video is called dps showdown and the thumbnail says who is the strongest. Both of those are, relatively silly with obvious answers. Now if the title or thumbnail was called "Dps Comparison" like wat you are saying it your comment, then the whole concept of the video would make wayyyy more sense, and i would definitely be intrigued in a video "comparing" dps, rather than a "showdown"
Seeing the full team comparisons, I can't help but think that the relatively small differences in the time margins shouldn't be understated. I'm also impressed by Xinyan's overall performance, particularly her physical. Perhaps a day will come when Mihoyo does justice for physical (and geo).
As a Xinyan main I am happy, but I still feel sad for the state of Dehya 😭 I win but at what cost
Kazuha and xiangling working overtime for xinyan and especially dehya😂when dehya took the field the enemy got like 15% hp left.
Every time Alhaitham turns back to camera he looks like he has no idea why he is in this showdown
I want to see a 4th version with Kazuha Bennett and Xiangling just ignoring the 4th character. I'm not convinced Xinyan and Dehya are actually paying for the cost of their field time.
Childe - but Childe xiangling will massacre these teams. its being used for speed clearing for F2Ps
I’m pretty sure Bennett kazuha xiangling with dps Bennett build sacrificing all em due to bennett’s massive energy generation would actually win compared to dehya/xinyan, and almost definitely if an anemo character is brought to activate anemo resonance without doing anything.
TenTen did that in this video: th-cam.com/video/DhNP5BzLsXg/w-d-xo.html It compares mono-pyro with Dehya to the same team except no Dehya. As in, 3 man, so no pyro resonance. It is an amusing watch.
@@lsnexus2080 bro childe international is top pick for speedrun not just f2p
@@youravghuman5231 yep. But its the current fastest for f2p if im not mistaken. For whales, ofc there’s bunch of them like hyper raiden, yelan teams, ayaka+hutao, etc.
Yessss justice for my gal, rock 'n roll baby! Loved this showcase, perhaps now people finally recognize that Xinyan isn't nearly as bad as people make her seem.
This video is an amazing showcase I cannot believe I have deyha this gave me all the motivation I needed... to build xinyan.
The fact they are NERFING her artifact set that will be added next version is baffling
Probably because there will eventually be a character that will have a similarish damage over time mechanic and a 50 percent or whatever it was boost to skill and burst damage is kinda insane
It was not made for her, but for future characters. No way they will make a dedicated artifacts for standard banner units. Her bis is still emblem set.
@@backpackpepelon3867 Wanderer's Troupe is pretty much released around Tighnari' banner debut. It is also his BiS set too.
@@backpackpepelon3867 have you read what the artifact set does? When the character takes dmg ( even outfield) their elemental skill and burst are buffed by 10% (50% max) . Also it buffs hp by 20%
@@nightday2030 it was not man, it's been in the game since release
Little tipp for physical xinyan. Do a short charge attack before the burst to get the defense conversion to attack so it buffs her high physical dmg multiplier of the burst
I think the gap would widen between Al Haitian and the others in the first abyss half not just because of chamber 3 but also hyperbloom would gain much more value in general
love the xiangling showcase featuring xinyan and dehya
I main Xinyan in my early days on GI love her design & now i got Dehya c1 w/ bis, yea shes bad but decent not really recommend to use on abyss tho. I just really love her character so cool!
that's a great mindset :) you play for fun and whichever units you like. genshin isn't hard to begin with. though dehya is surprisingly disappointing as a 5star
@@lsnexus2080 I'd argue that while you should pull for Dehya if you want to. Dont spend any money for herald pull using saved primos. It sends a message to Hoyoverse that they can do this shit again
@@imjustaguycalledsano that's the most logical way. since we can get her anyway when losing 50/50. i'd agree on that ;)
Give Xiangling, Benny and Kazuha a massage because their backs are hurting from carrying Xinyan and Dehya.
@@rust8995 yeah, i watched the same video you did, but you don't normally fight bosses solo now, do you?
Nah, carrying Dehya is so easy pretty much anyone you team her with does it.
@@beanswater lol Dehya sucks. Xinyan is better than Dehya, lol a 4 star better than 5 star haha 😂😂
@@eula419 she does and so does xinyan
@@eula419 both suck lmao, Hoyo has something against Pyro claymores
Really hoping for a c6 cyno dps showdown! since he was at c0 on his first banner it would be great to see how he stacks up at c6.
C0 R1 is OP when paired with Nahida Fischl and even Zhongli.
@@williamthatsmyname Anyone's OP if you pair them with that
Still hoping for a support showdown between Bennett, Kazuha and Nahida because they are secretly buffing every character :)
If they made Dehya an HP scaling character like Yelan, even with the low Multipliers, she would be a lot better than she is now. Yeah she'll still have energy issues, but that could be resolved by lowering her burst and/or increasing her particle generation.
ain't no way it's 2 of the worst DPS'es (I still love xinyan tho) VS literal alhaitham
Yeah I think they put him to compare recent releases tgt. It’s still funny. Maybe they could’ve done a meme Dori dps build
@@exiaax or Nahida mono dendro 💀
@@alexprus7953 physical Hu Tao
congratulations to xinyan for not being the worst pyro character anymore.
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Alhaitham: A Feeble Scholar
Dehya: Flame Mane Eremites
Like Beidou defeating a sea beast without a vision, she's 4★, but a girl that likes to dance, and a pyromaniac kid get to be 5★ lol
Yeah, the feeble scholar that can fight toe to toe with sumeru #1 general in lore and outdo him in gameplay 🤣
He got an offer to become general mahamatra but turned it down lol
How is it even comparable to use two mono pyro versus a character that's using reactions?
bruh, dehya just break a record of the most long time killing the volunteer masanori, this is very bad, why hoyoverse did this to her:(
A musician, a glorified librarian and a mercenary with literal fire on her fists. Who would win? Obviously not the mercenary according to hoyoverse...
To be fair, those differences become moot once you get a vision. Visions OP, plz nerf.
I was completely confused at the title.
The arguably worst 4 star
The shit 5 star
AL HAITHAM.
I'm surprised there was even a competition.
This was hard to watch. It’s always the characters I love that get the worst kits, then the complete opposite for the characters I have no interest in, Although I must say I’m really proud of my girl Xinyan for holding on as much as she could against Alhaitham
I know your feels, when i start play this game i saw xinyan and was like " Omggg What a beautiful and coollll character, i want her só muchh " then i discorvered she is one of the most weak characters, and now comes Dehya...and yeah...we all see how Dehya was release ;/ thats painfull
@@vin_cy4129 so true. I think what hurts more than Dehya’s Kit (along with many other things) is the fact that #FixDehya probably won’t change anything and she’ll stay like this forever :(
@@1nnernet yeah... but at least we try it ;(
Amazing how Xinyan was really close to Alhaitham in the abyss run.
mono pyro* was really close to alhaitham in the abyss run. Here we go, fixed it for you.
More like xiangling was really close to alhaitham in the abyss run😂
The biggest take way in this video is @17:30. So sad when that's what there is to say about a 5 star character that so many people were looking forward to for months. Oh well it is what it is.. still full stars in abyss.
Anyway good video, very entertaining!
Everyone after this is going to show Xinyan more respect than before.
With characters like these it might be interesting to see the abyss runs with just supports, to see how much actual dmg was contributed by Benny, XL, and Kazuha
You know xinyan's ult has 100% crit chance, so I'm kinda curious of her damage if you just slap a peak crit dmg artifacts on her without any crit rate 🤔
0:40 now we know what cyno do in his free time... making youtube channel named iwintolose
What's sad is Xinyan is WAY more useful as well considering she can be played kind of quick swap for her burst that has 100% crit rate, she's pyro and good for mono pyro and has a shield...not to mention her spinning blades of death
Awesome showdown ! Also as someone who loves Xinyan as a character, but also feels let down by the jokes made at her expense by members of the community because she's not meta, this was really cool to see. I really hope physical units like Xinyan get the supports they need to be fully realised in the game.
when u know that in mono-pyro team, xiangling was the main DPS but yet Dehya and Xinyan stole the spotlight. 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I love these videos. The commentary is pure gold. I’ve moved on from this game and into a leauge addiction but I still watch these videos just to get a feel from the game.
PLAYERS: Xinyan is a worst character!
MHYO: We got you. We will fix this!
ALSO MHYO: Relese DEHYA.
PLAYERS: Ohhh....
I knew looking at Shigure and his BiS that Haitham was a ST focused character but I didn't expect him to struggle that much in AoE.
Due to Dendro and Anemo anti-synergy he doesn't get anything from Kazuha outside grouping.
The electro units might get something but Yae is the only AoE electro off field damage dealer with Fischl being ST, Sara a buffer with energy issue and Kuki a healer with not much personal damage.
Going for Yae makes the team play with no healer other than replacing Nahida which is a huge drop in spread team, going for Kuki over Yae too.
This issue doesn't exist for C6 Nahida and C6 Yae but at the level most people are this ain't pretty.
Not really issue with him is his rotations wasn't optimal + you have to remember that alhaithem is team player
@@cosmictrainer2919 Rotation or not he needs Anemo grouper for this setting and anemo is a DPS loss for Dendro teams outside Aggravate and Burning.
Team player, yeah right.
He helps the team by killing stuff faster.
This doesn't answer the AoE question either.
Alhaitham, Yae Miko, Zhongli, and Nahida/DMC is my best team and I don't really "struggle" in AOE. This issue only happens when enemies are too far apart and all of them are ranged tho but if AOE against melee mobs? Easiest clear.
@@shandianjy Yeah, I'm talking about spread out enemy.
Close enemy aren't an issue for Hu Tao and Tighnari teams either, so I don't expect him to struggle in something like triple Kenki if they don't fuck off somewhere.
Not surprised about Xinyan performances, in spite of her kit and bugged shield, she is not THAT bad. Very saddened by Dehya 's performances though. Poor girl. :(
3 stages of Dehya's main emotional damage:
1. Delusion
2. Copium
3. Depression
Then proceed to complain the game is way too hard so that Hoyoverse can purposely make the game less stressful and challenging.
As someone with a triple crowned C0 Jade cutter Al-Haitham, F2P, he hits very hard with Hyperbloom + Spread teams
As hard as pyro xinyan
@@adriandelgado5774C6*xinyan
He is weak bro. He is only 9s faster against Xinyan LMAO
@@TooCoolBro this isn't even his best team comps though. There's MUCH better out there for alhaitham by a long shot. Not to mention he's much more flexible in team building vs Dehya or Xinyan.
@@TooCoolBro,? He's 9s faster than xl-kazuha-bennet, not xinyan lmao
21:27 That was super subtle, Mr. TH-camr (Wink Wink). Just forgot to add an "Attack Speed buffer" to be even more subtle (Even though Xinyan doesn't really attack much, she spins most of the time e.e)
It is a sin to compare Alhaitham to Xinyan and Dehya
0:36 - Wherever he is, Cyno is proud right now.
I was surprised how close abyss clear times were, considering the fact that Alhaitham is a meta chracter
Not surprised, to the fact that Bennet xl and kazuha can make every dps in the game performs very good and better just like alhaitham with nahida/(kuki as electro applier)
i myself was shocked too
Cyno kazuha sara c6 bennet or nahida team tho
One E done the judgerment
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Replace Dehya and Xinyan with Klee, they'd even be faster and Klee is not meta. 😂
It's mainly because of the bottom half is really not being suited for Alhaitham at all, being a lot of light enemies and CC-dependent whilst his best teams are usually single-target oriented and better for bossing/heavy mobs. The damage thresholds are low enough (usually only around 1 million HP per chamber if you have good AoE) that grouping and AoE coverage matter more than DPS. If he did the test on the top half which has more than double the HP per chamber (even excluding the ASIMON quicken check) Alhaitham would pull ahead significantly.
YOU eddited this so good all the health bars align perfectly
Never found myself rooting so much for Xinyan.
XInyan is actually quite strong with the right build... I do hope with the new characters (*cough*Mika*cough*) can further make her more favorable in terms of meta! Also when will we see IWTL plays Raid Shadow Legends 😆
Dehya VS Xinyan. Exactly what I wanted to see
Rosaria (phys shred + cryo) + Lisa (def shred + electro) = superconduct + Xinyan E (phys shred). This is how I used her.
in my opinion it’s just a bit unfair how alhaitham had access to hyperbloom, because technically kukis em is doing all the heavy lifting
because alhaitam isnt really deal the damage in hyperboom. he just dendro enabler in hyperbloom team. if its spreed team his damage will better. u can see the robot chicken team when he deal spread damage.
Hyperbloom was used only once tho
@@lyngaming7912 No, if you see calculation sheet, Alhaitham even out DMG the hyperbloom. He contribute the most DMG, then hyperbloom then Xingqiu personal DMG
There is a reason why he is the best C0 DPS atm, not only because of his compactible to one of the best budget team but also he has very high personal DMG
That's goddamn wrong when Alhaitham literally contribute more DMG than hyperbloom. Kuki doesn't carry this team DMG, she is at most an equal sources of DMG output that also bring benefit of healing
@@lyngaming7912 ain't no way you think he's only a Dendro enabler in hyperbloom 💀💀💀💀 he's literally the main source of dmg in both spread and hyperbloom
the best physical damage single support right now is talent 10 E from eula 😭
As a c6 Xinyan haver and lover i wasn’t surprised by anything, Xinyan solos!
Not sure if you ever thought about it, but I think it's a cool idea to make a patreon where you'd do "bonus comparisons" or something. For example, I think there are people that would love to see a bonus comparison with C1 Dehya. Make it so that lower tiers could only watch, and higher tiers could even request or vote for comparisons/tests. What do you think?
People need to respect Xinyan more! As you can see she's a very capable character ❤️
well Dehya made us respect Xinyan :)
Only when she is next to Dehya does she appear good.
The problem is that the biggest issue with her kit is the split scaling. And the only way to fix that currently is with the Redhorn, a five star weapon off the weapon banners. That lets you run a def timepiece, which makes her shield much better, while still keeping up her offense. Though you also want her to be C6.
They really need to implement a new story quest for Xinyan that gives as its reward a recipe for a crafted claymore designed to give her that def scaling she should have in her kit but doesn't. That or they should add it to her kit, but, well, they won't do that.
@@Axterix13 I completely agree, she's not without her flaws and needs some more investment than meta 5 stars. I don't think Hoyo will ever try to fix these things. They want to focus on new characters and also won't give 4 stars as powerful as they did before, so people spend more on banners. Maybe one day we will get an event weapon or craftable that suits her better. Other characters suffer from the lack of weapon choice too, Layla for example.
21:25 Does Shenhe count as a decent cryo support for physical Xinyan? She lowers physical defense by 15% with her Q, and her Hold E increases Charge Attack damage by 15%... It's not huge, by any means, but it's something, right?
Shenhe is more of a cryo support since her main buff is her icy quill stack and the res shred is only a bonus, she also has an 80 energy cost with 20s cd which may cause energy issues and downtime issues
Coughing babies vs 1 hydrogen bomb
I LOVE XINYAN! Thank you for giving her a shot in this vid, she is amazing! :D
Some of the people in the comment section are funny saying Alhaitham isn't good just cause he couldn't win win physical 😭
oh no the dendro infusion dps is terrible at physical damage /s
Xinyan with Stone+C6 Bennett sounds like a lot of fun indeed, kinda like 4 star Diluc pretty much
Anyway I think Dehya could be a great character if she has 100% uptime on her skill and poise buff and 40 energy cost with 12 sec CD instead of whatever ungodly amount she has right now. Oh and HP scaling at C0 would be nice too.
I don't think anyone would complain about her if is was released with this as her basic skill set, no need to make her number bigger, although that would be a welcome change, just make her easier to use (oh and the fact that she doesn't trigger XQ, Yelan, Fischl etc need to be fixed, if Raiden burst can't work with Beidou but work with anyone else, why can't Dehya do the same)
In Abyss, this was no Alhaitham vs Xinyan vs Dehya, it was Alhaitham vs Xinagling 😂
and xiangling could have clutched only if Dehya and Xinyan weren't holding her back. 😂
I would LOVE to have a 4* that reduces phys res by 50% so that it can work on top of superconduct (which is 40% reduction), and that they can also increase atk speed. This would be a perfect support for physical damage dealers
yes although perhaps that's just our wishful thinking. I really desperately hope hoyo gives one tho
@@UserUserUserUserUserUserUserUs im still a Razor main to this day (mainly because i havent built other character yet and i stopped playing)
No, it wouldn't. A useful phys support would need to be a grouper,, ideally non-anemo, as most physicals are melee, but VV and EM are both pretty useless to phys builds, and so is elemental DMG. The second most useful thing it could do is straight up apply superconduct. This would free physical from the cryo/electro cage. And then, yeah, some stuff to up the damage outside of that, as well as give partial penetration of shields by physical.
well the more we know who knew xinyan is better than alhitham
in physical dmg ofc...