@@SamsTrains - Ahahaha!!!I really enjoy and respect what you do Sam. But no question about it, It was the black hole. :-) Speaking of space, how about a zero gravity train set??..... ;-)
7:00 That's because when you initial y covered the engine it would've trapped air inside the engine. Then as the water rushed into the engine the overall water level would've dropped 13:30 While there is no salt in the water regular tap water has a lot of guff in it, like ions and such, it varies quite broadly based on where you live (which is why water tastes differently if you travel across the UK)
As always, interesting, well filmed and edited, and a very good presentation. No unspeakable music or twenty minute intros, and polite pleasant language. Excellent.
haha - it'd be a miracle if I was killed by 12v, lol! ;D I suppose if there was a fault with the controller and the power supply it might have been dangerous... but it's unlikely! xD Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Excellent video! Thanks Sam for using my idea and thanks for the cool shout out! My next idea is: Can a model loco run up a 1 in 4 gradient? If so can it do 1 in 2?
Sam I have had an idea. Lay lots of foam and / or an old mattress on the floor next to a table and a normal stretch of straight track on the table anduse a loco and crank up the voltage on the power supply (as on the 850mph model train video) and see if the higher the voltage the further the engine goes and measure how far it goes each time. Answer is obvious, but will probably make a good video (use a hornby 101 tank or other models that dont have much / any separately fitted detail that could break off)
DC brushed motors will work fine underwater as you have witnessed for yourself. I have found this from building and operating RC subs. We 'break in' new motors by running them in a glass of water. A drop of Peco in that motor, and it'll be absolutely fine.
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I'm sure that I saw a locomotive running underwater at Oak Hill Manor in Somerset in the early 1980s. It was a little yellow 4 wheeled diesel shunter that ran backwards and forwards along a length of track in a fish tank. Each end of the track was dry and the track dipped in the middle, the loco entering and leaving the water every time it ran a length.
@@SamsTrains I'm not sure you'll find much, the place closed before we ever managed a second visit. It was a manor house absolutely rammed with all kinds of models, trains, ships, cars etc. I think there was a large model in the middle of the entrance hall, something along the lines of a 7 1/4" gauge Britannia. You parked in a field and took a meandering miniature railway to the house. The infrastructure on the railway was quite extensive, stations, bridges, engine sheds, workshops and a turntable. It was an absolutely awsome place for a train obsessed young lad. I'm not saying that if I win the lottery I've got a plan, but, I've got a plan. www.flickr.com/photos/trainsandstuff/sets/72157608030994648/
@@SamsTrains the cheapest engine I presently have is a $30 USD Athearn Fairbanks-Morse Trainmaster from 1979 (from what I can find. I need to clean the rust off of it)
If you use distilled water like the water for thé clothes iron, there will be far less parasit curent and you probably will have a better loco at the end of thé experiment
Sam buddy ⚡️💦 Seeing you have a huge younger audience doesn’t this send the wrong message to the younger viewers experimenting with electricity and water, yes science is a mixture of elements as you mentioned but maybe adult supervision would of been advisable 🤔 Little concerning video TBH Garry
Hey Garry, thanks for the comment! I don't think that's an issue - I covered all of the safety warnings at the start, and I recommended using a 9V battery if anyone wanted to try this at home! HOWEVER, that was just a formality - there's no possible danger from using a 12v train controller in water - as long as the main power supply doesn't get splashed! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
They did it on BBC TV's Tomorrows World to demonstrate the then new Relco electronic track cleaning device back in 1977. They used a Hornby Railways R.254 loco. The Relco device prevented galvanism occurring due to electric currents, water and differing metals. You can still buy Relco electronic track cleaning units today.
steamerthesteamtrain The southern 0-4-0 is reported to have pulled hundreds of coaches up the lickey incline with no support, it’s an absolute beast of a locomotive
Saw a layout not so long ago of a real place where the tide comes in and water heads upto the engines running board at high tide, the man said he'd had the layout for about a year with the same train and he still hadn't had any serious problems, just a bit of rust on his rolling stock, seems if you were just wetting the wheels you'd be okay, just when the motor comes into it you experience problems. Great Video as usual Sam! :)
Wow, I never thought this would be possible mate. I thought you'd blow your electrics. I remember when I was 16 and swimming in the Thames in the middle of a thunder and lightening storm, and being told afterwards if the lightening struck the sea, I would have been zapped! I guess I was attracted by the choppy waves. I really can't believe this experiment was possible mate! Well done!👍🚂🚃🚃🚃🚅🚄🚉😁👌
You should try doing this, what’s the heaviest weight a loco can pull. Maybe fitted with traction tires, a heavy model would be best probably. Keep the good work Sam!
Probably not a crazy experiment but maybe see how many wagons/rolling stock can a Lima 8f/any other Lima loco pull, you did say they were very powerful and said you'll probably try it one day!
@@SamsTrains yeah WAY crazier then the speed challenge o can you do a servicing a trackmaster locomotive please sorry if i hurt your feelings Sam,s Trains
Well a fascinating experiment! Never thought about it and that it would work. And its a surprise that the loco motor was not killed by the water, but when the water was gone by the over heating...
man this gives me a crazy idea. how about clear resin tubes in a fishtank put the train in the tubed track then put some fish in the tank. it would be a unique decoration for a fishtank.
In the 80s or thereabouts, LGB made a commercial showcasing the weatherproofing and robustness of their models by running a train in an aqarium. So yes, they can work underwater, providing the conductive parts are made from non-corroding metals and the electronics are sealed.
In my mind there is a crew of 0-4-0 locomotives that can go at 500mph. They are: Katelin(gregsby's sister) Smokey joe Converted Yorkshire Lancashire railmoter(haven't come up with a name for him yet)
Electricity is an interesting beast, ain't it... I once met the man who used to be in charge of the power system for the New York City Subway. When the agency was giving tours of one of the power substations*, he would show off by touching a part, IIRC is was part of a breaker, that was live with 3rd rail current (roughly between 600 and 625 volts DC). * the particular facility was IRT substation 13, which is directly behind the Ed Sullivan Theater. Due to EM interference, when Ed Sullivan was using the theater for his live Sunday night show, he had an agreement with New York City Transit where they'd take the station offline for a few hours. In the Early 1990s, when Dave Letterman moved in to the building, his people went to NYCTA and asked for the same deal. When they said, "yeah, we're filming Monday-Thursday at about 5PM", they were promptly shown the door...
Sam'sTrains I used to work for the transit authority’s in house museum (which is actually in an abandoned station on a one stop branch off the A train in Brooklyn. Imagine if London’s transport museum operated out of Aldwych and you’d mostly have an idea.) You’d be amazed what I walked away with. I used to think the joke about Ensign Chekhov on Star Trek thinking everything was invent by Russians were a joke related solely to him, made up by the writers to show he was naive. Then I met a little old woman in the museum who flat out asked me if I knew what the first subway was. “sure, London” growing up as a fan of rapid transit there was one simple fact. “London, oldest, New York, biggest, Tokyo, busiest.” And with a dead serious look on her face she goes “No... It was Moscow.” Which I responded by pointing out it was built at the same time as the station she was standing in, which is functionally one of the “newer” stations.
Although I already knew a can motor would run underwater, I at least used distilled water to give it a better chance. A very silly model train science episode, hope to see many more in the future :) As I'm in Australia, next time I want to see one run upside down :)
haha yeah - I was half hoping for some drama though - I even thought about adding salt, just for a laugh! I like the idea of upside down running - I reckon it can be done! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
haha thanks very much mate - I wasn't expecting it! Yeah a stunt jump would be great - or a loop, I thought that'd be fun to try! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I remember when I was young, and was told to clean my model trains. It was an HO Pannier Tank from a Hornby set. I completely submerged it. Needless to say, it didn't last very long after that.
Regards the "disappearing water": likely it was seeping into cavities inside the loco, for example, inside the motor shell. It would take time to fill that. I suspect there are other similar areas which would have the same effect.
Yeah no doubt that was happening - but also the siphon effect was moving it back into the other tank - I did some testing afterwards, lol! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@Sam'sTrains Do you remember me from the comment section of the video mentioned in this video? One thing about electrolysis, it will happen at any time there is any voltage difference present (for example from one rail to another, electrolysis doesn't require salt, salts are just speeding the process up (sometimes a lot, deppending on the water contents), and it's not like tap water doesn't contain other salts), but it's speed deppends on the current flowing through the circuit, which often deppends on the voltage difference itself, and the distance between the rails, and also mostly the side area the rails (and also any additional electrolytes added to the water in this case, as mentioned earlier). So if you run this experiment on a whole set, that's gauge is small, the current required to run anything is going to be rather big, not mentioning the fact that you generate Hydrogen gas by the electrolysis, which is flammable (in the right air mix), so you have to do this in a well ventilated room, or outside. Just saying, that if you're going to do this large-scale, it is going to be hard, and possibly dangerous (If you do manadge to light the generated gas). I just want to say the extremes before they happen, and don't be supprised that the power supply might not allow the loco to go fast in that experiment (according to the current measurements that piece of track uses ~10mA (which is a lot, considering ~14.5 times less than a locomotive, but you need propably 12 pieces that might be 2 as long as this one to make a loop of track) at ~6V (10mA/6V = (10/6)mS of conductance per piece of track, so at 12V that piece of track takes 12V*(10/6)mS = 20mA, for more tracks you add conductances togetrer so 2 tracks would take 12V*(2*(10/6)mS)) = 40mA, and so on. To max out your first power supply (at 12V) just for electrolysis you would need: (300mA/12V)/((10/6)mS) = 60 of those track pieces. Those calculations are just aproximations, for anyone that might complain about the crudeness of the model and/or calculation).
Hey! Thanks very much for the info! I wouldn't entirely agree that electrolysis doesn't require salt (or ions) to work, and instead relies on the amount of current running through the circuit - I'm fairly sure that isn't true! It can't happen 'any time' either - unless the voltage difference is sufficiently large to overcome the resistivity of the substance. Current will only flow through the circuit at these voltages due to the presence of ions in the water. Adding salt to the water would increase the ionic content in the water, and thus allow more current to flow. The voltage difference will make an impact, but ultimately the resistivity of the electrolyte will be the greatest factor in this case. Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I agree, electrolysis requires some ions to work, but in your case your water was (I'm almost 100& sure) not destiled, therefore it has some ions already in, and at that point it doesn't require any more of them, for just electrolysis to happen. Technicaly speaking, electrolysis will happen with even 1 "ion pair", but it will be very very very very very slow, which you might percive as it is not happening at all. I just wanted to say, that i didn't state clearly. Are you planning to do this experiment big-scale anyway? Thanks for replying - Eryk :)
Great experiment Sam. This reminds me of a similar experiment when "RODALCO2007" submerged a TV into oil and it still worked but I think it failed when he filled the container with water. I do like these experiments.
Talk of crazy underwater ideas.... Once, Sam was magically transported into the computerised world of Sonic the Hedgehog. He dropped out of a portal into the ruins of an underwater city. I don't know if Sam can swim or not; he couldn't do that here. Wandering around, he noticed Air Bubblers all around him, spewing up giant air bubbles. Sam breathed one of the bubbles in and it popped. Unable to speak, Sam wandered along rough waterbed platforms. He met Sonic in blue hedgehog fashion. Sonic couldn't swim himself. Sonic demonstrated that breathing in air bubbles kept one alive, for one couldn't wander far without air underwater. Sam, ever eager to explore, wandered away into a long underwater corridor. He emerged into a more vast open space. A bubbler lay far away by a rock wall. Unwisely, Sam ignored the bubbler and walked around the open space. Warning tings sounded above his head. He paid no attention, until a 5-second drowning theme surrounded him. He ran towards the far-away bubbler, hoping he hadn't left it too late. The music sped up gradually as the 5-second timer reached zero. The music silenced itself and Sam drowned! He lay on the waterbed motionless having lost his life. Sam was magically transported back into his loft, soaking wet. He never woke up. Rest in Peace, Sam. May your tortured soul find forgiveness one day. Rule no. 1: never go for too long underwater without air. You will drown.
I once tried to run a 2007 Trackmaster Henry in the water, and then, i realized that the model from Something in The Air probably did not survive filming.
Since now you did the water test, all we need is the fire test and then your engine will be a proper Steam Engine ;) P.s Pretty insane and cool video Sam :)
there's no need for salt in the water for electrolysis. Aamof don't do that with salty water..you'll produce chlorine which is toxic. There were bubbles on the other line too but less visible. Nice test :p
I think there's a chance that you have produced your own hydrogen there. I can see the headlines already : "Model railway enthusiast is leading the energy storage revolution" And, obviously, HMUs are just around the corner.
SamsTrains: It’s American Trains week! America:I wonder if... SamsTrains: TRAINS CAN WORK UNDER WATER! GENIUS! America: No acctua.. SamsTrains: *starts singing American anthem* Also can you test to see if trains can go down stairs One final thing, I love how you used the official mug to take out the water
haha I know - that's logic for you! I've had lots of requests for locos on stairs.... I don't think what'd happen! Oh yeah - got to use the official merch! ;D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
What I got from this is that well draining the water you didn't think to drop the power being pumped into it and you overloaded it. And if you had adjusted accordingly it may have survived a bit better?
This reminds me of a model train on another channel I saw for Garden Railroading, the brand I think is called LGB but this steam loco which was based on a European steamer ran through water above the boiler deep and ran out to along the line unhindered as if it went through a wheel deep puddle.
Actually water doesn’t conduct, it’s the impurities that are in the water that make it dangerous. Salt, calcium, and even oxygen will allow current flow, but water that has been purified (like distilled water), and de-oxygenated, is a very good insulator. In the military I maintained a piece of electronic equipment that was water cooled. Doesn’t sound special? The water was passed THROUGH the conductors! Operating at over 450 volts AC and three hundred volts DC, with no losses through the water.
Yes this is very true - the resistivity of pure water is pretty high - but most water-related electrical incidents don't involve distilled water, hehe! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Is that Southern 0-4-0 becoming the "Top Gear Toyota Pickup" of Sam's Trains?
haha it is indeed!! Though it's reached the end of the road now, lol! ;D
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YAY! A TOP GEAR REFERENCE!
Build a platform for it! :D
Keith Olding try it in the Dover coast
I have a southern 0-4-0
Rare footage of a Southern Railway branchline got flooded-1920s colorized
haha!! xD
LOL 😂
Lol
Not funny
*colourised
british spellings are better xD
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Southern 0-4-0 : *chuckles* I'm in danger.
haha!! xD
Steamvin 🤣🤣
Lol
A week ago I saw a photo of a black hole. Now I'm seeing this.
Mind blown! :-D
haha, which one blew your mind more? xD
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@@SamsTrains - Ahahaha!!!I really enjoy and respect what you do Sam. But no question about it, It was the black hole. :-) Speaking of space, how about a zero gravity train set??..... ;-)
Sammy B Films we would need a skydiving simulator tube for that!
You could put rocket. Posters on a bullet train then that would be in space with no gravity
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haha!! xD
Meme
Overused bud srry but dislike
2D do you mean sorry 🙄
Prime stop motion thats a shortcut
6:48 Loco driver: raise the radar mast!
Fireman: eye eye sir!
haha!! What a world that would be, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
driver: up periscope!
fireman: eye sir!
7:00 That's because when you initial y covered the engine it would've trapped air inside the engine. Then as the water rushed into the engine the overall water level would've dropped
13:30 While there is no salt in the water regular tap water has a lot of guff in it, like ions and such, it varies quite broadly based on where you live (which is why water tastes differently if you travel across the UK)
1800s: I bet we’ll have flying trains in the future!
2019:
haha!! xD
Underwater trains!
discount Percy's Promise
haha!! xD
"Water's nothing to an engine with determination!" ―Percy, Percy Takes The Plunge
haha! Wise words well spoken indeed! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
im pretty sure thats from percys promise
@@toadthebreakvan4518 Nope, it is from Percy Takes The Plunge
As always, interesting, well filmed and edited, and a very good presentation. No unspeakable music or twenty minute intros, and polite pleasant language. Excellent.
RIP 0-4-0 You were a excellent swimmer
haha he was indeed... though technically it sank ;)
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‘There’s nothing going to happen to me’
Famous last words mate 😂
haha - it'd be a miracle if I was killed by 12v, lol! ;D
I suppose if there was a fault with the controller and the power supply it might have been dangerous... but it's unlikely! xD
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Excellent video! Thanks Sam for using my idea and thanks for the cool shout out! My next idea is: Can a model loco run up a 1 in 4 gradient? If so can it do 1 in 2?
My pleasure mate - it was indeed a very good idea! I'm working on that idea already... great minds think alike eih?!?! :D
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@@SamsTrains Sam thanks again!
You should put it on display with the 850 mile per hour toy train and miles!
haha yeah! I really should make a display like that! :D
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Sam I have had an idea.
Lay lots of foam and / or an old mattress on the floor next to a table and a normal stretch of straight track on the table anduse a loco and crank up the voltage on the power supply (as on the 850mph model train video) and see if the higher the voltage the further the engine goes and measure how far it goes each time.
Answer is obvious, but will probably make a good video (use a hornby 101 tank or other models that dont have much / any separately fitted detail that could break off)
haha that'd be awesome - great idea!! :D
I had no idea there was any footage of the Britannic going down - Oh, wait, this one's got wheels.
Looks like LGB has some competition from Hornby now
haha!! xD
"This is crazy, I don't know why I'm doing this." Simple: it's for *_SCIENCE!™_*
haha!! Absolutely! ;D
JonatanGronoset bb
I think just to get likes.
I wasn't expecting this notification to pop up... but I'm glad it did! Great work mate!
haha thanks mate - I do like putting up unexpected videos, lol! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
DC brushed motors will work fine underwater as you have witnessed for yourself.
I have found this from building and operating RC subs.
We 'break in' new motors by running them in a glass of water.
A drop of Peco in that motor, and it'll be absolutely fine.
Yep they do indeed! Do you not get issues with the high current draw then, as I did here??
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I know it's not much of a test..but an incline test may be less destructive!? Lovely video, hopefully she will run again. :)
Absolutely! I'm planning that next! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I look forward to it! :)
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2029 Sam'sTrains: *WE SHOT A MODEL TRAIN INTO SPACE! (The results will suprise you!)*
(These are my favourite videos though, keep them coming!)
haha, I wouldn't be surprised, lol! xD
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I literally just searched up "It even works underwater!" memes on Google Images, then somehow I get recommended this.
#LoomynartyConfirmed
haha that's good to hear - welcome!!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I'm sure that I saw a locomotive running underwater at Oak Hill Manor in Somerset in the early 1980s. It was a little yellow 4 wheeled diesel shunter that ran backwards and forwards along a length of track in a fish tank. Each end of the track was dry and the track dipped in the middle, the loco entering and leaving the water every time it ran a length.
Ooh really?? I'll have to look into that - that's very cool! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I'm not sure you'll find much, the place closed before we ever managed a second visit. It was a manor house absolutely rammed with all kinds of models, trains, ships, cars etc. I think there was a large model in the middle of the entrance hall, something along the lines of a 7 1/4" gauge Britannia. You parked in a field and took a meandering miniature railway to the house. The infrastructure on the railway was quite extensive, stations, bridges, engine sheds, workshops and a turntable. It was an absolutely awsome place for a train obsessed young lad. I'm not saying that if I win the lottery I've got a plan, but, I've got a plan. www.flickr.com/photos/trainsandstuff/sets/72157608030994648/
Wow, however I wouldn't want to try that with an expensive Bachmann engine!
haha me neither - that's why I used one of the cheapest engines I own! xD
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
How cheap?
@@SamsTrains the cheapest engine I presently have is a $30 USD Athearn Fairbanks-Morse Trainmaster from 1979 (from what I can find. I need to clean the rust off of it)
14:50 ''If you've got to run your loco under water'' . . . . Lol! Great video Sam.
haha!! Thanks mate, glad you liked it! ;D
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EXTREME
haha EXTREME!! :D
If you use distilled water like the water for thé clothes iron, there will be far less parasit curent and you probably will have a better loco at the end of thé experiment
Yeah that's probably a good call - but I was hoping for devastating results anyway, for the sake of the video ;)
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Suggestion: How strong is a 00 gauge locomotive?
Good one! I'll be doing something along those lines soon! :D
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HEY SAM'S TRAINS, I DARE YOU TO DO THE SAME EXPERIMENT BUT USING FLYING SCOTSMAN
OH DEAR - I'M NOT SURE I'M WILLING TO SACRIFICE MY SCOTSMAN!! :O
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Sam buddy ⚡️💦
Seeing you have a huge younger audience doesn’t this send the wrong message to the younger viewers experimenting with electricity and water, yes science is a mixture of elements as you mentioned but maybe adult supervision would of been advisable 🤔
Little concerning video TBH
Garry
Hey Garry, thanks for the comment! I don't think that's an issue - I covered all of the safety warnings at the start, and I recommended using a 9V battery if anyone wanted to try this at home! HOWEVER, that was just a formality - there's no possible danger from using a 12v train controller in water - as long as the main power supply doesn't get splashed!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
They did it on BBC TV's Tomorrows World to demonstrate the then new Relco electronic track cleaning device back in 1977.
They used a Hornby Railways R.254 loco.
The Relco device prevented galvanism occurring due to electric currents, water and differing metals.
You can still buy Relco electronic track cleaning units today.
Ahh really?? I'll have to look that up - thanks for the info! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
The only thing this locomotive is actually good for.
steamerthesteamtrain The southern 0-4-0 is reported to have pulled hundreds of coaches up the lickey incline with no support, it’s an absolute beast of a locomotive
@@cyrusbahmaie3580 Woah What The-
Ooh blimey, quite a controversial view there, lol! ;D
You reckon?? I might have to try the pulling test!
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Hey Sam, what do think of an aquatic reef railway? Should you ever do an underwater railway, do you think you'd do a reef setting?
Yeah! That's what I'm thinking of doing - wouldn't that be great?? :D
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For some reason I felt a bit scared seeing the little Southern 0-4-0 underwater,but all the same great video man :D
meme me too! I was worried I would ruin it for nothing!! :O
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Saw a layout not so long ago of a real place where the tide comes in and water heads upto the engines running board at high tide, the man said he'd had the layout for about a year with the same train and he still hadn't had any serious problems, just a bit of rust on his rolling stock, seems if you were just wetting the wheels you'd be okay, just when the motor comes into it you experience problems. Great Video as usual Sam! :)
Wow that sounds incredible Jackie - I'd love to see that!! :O
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I'm surprised that it didn't just short out as soon as the water hit the rails. truly fascinating
Yeah! I think the resistance of water is far too high for that - but it did work pretty well! :D
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A really fun, interesting video. Loved the music you added for the water pumping. XD
haha thank you - glad you liked the water music! :D
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I absolutely love the experiments your doing, they are so much fun to watch. Well done!
haha thanks so much - they have been a lot of fun to make, lol!
Lots more to come! :D
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Wow, I never thought this would be possible mate. I thought you'd blow your electrics.
I remember when I was 16 and swimming in the Thames in the middle of a thunder and lightening storm, and being told afterwards if the lightening struck the sea, I would have been zapped! I guess I was attracted by the choppy waves.
I really can't believe this experiment was possible mate! Well done!👍🚂🚃🚃🚃🚅🚄🚉😁👌
haha I thought so too - pretty impressive stuff! haha yeah - I guess that could've been nasty!! ;D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
You should try doing this, what’s the heaviest weight a loco can pull. Maybe fitted with traction tires, a heavy model would be best probably. Keep the good work Sam!
That's a solid idea - I'll have to try that!! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I have always wanted to know if it would work. Thank you for testing it out!
haha my pleasure - it was definitely fun! ;D
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So is this why beeching closed southern branch lines? Because they got flooded?
haha!! We figured it out ;)
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you have pushed the boundaries of science
haha, I like to think that! ;D
Man, this was out of the blue.
Haha, I enjoyed it. I don't think anyones ever thought of this before.
Lol great video as always,
- Nathan :)
haha was that a pun?!?
Glad you enjoyed this anyway, lol! ;D
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RefurbishedComeng Yo another aussie
Probably not a crazy experiment but maybe see how many wagons/rolling stock can a Lima 8f/any other Lima loco pull, you did say they were very powerful and said you'll probably try it one day!
That's a good idea - yeah they are pretty strong - it would be good to test them! :D
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Hello Sam,s Trains this is your craziest video yet 9/10 sorry if i hurt your feelings Sam,s Trains
haha you reckon?! Crazier than the speed run?! lol! ;D
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@@SamsTrains yeah WAY crazier then the speed challenge o can you do a servicing a trackmaster locomotive please sorry if i hurt your feelings Sam,s Trains
I totally expected that to simply not work. I'm in awe! Now. . . .where else can we (not) run model trains? :P
haha me too - I was amazed! That's the big question - I am thinking about it! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Well a fascinating experiment! Never thought about it and that it would work. And its a surprise that the loco motor was not killed by the water, but when the water was gone by the over heating...
haha thanks Paul - I never thought it would either, but it was surprising!
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Can u do next time the propellor thingy
haha under the water?!? :O
HEY SAM'S TRAINS, THE TRACK REMINDS ME OF WHEN YOU WERE RACING THAT ENGINE PROPELLER FROM LAST YEAR
YEAH! IT IS A LITTLE SIMILAR!! :D
HEY SAM'S TRAINS, WITH THE 0-4-0 SUBMERGING REMINDS ME OF THE TITANIC SINKING
HAHA ME TOO - IT DID HAVE THE SAME DRAMA ABOUT IT!
Seeing train run in a paddling pool would be very educational and entertaining
haha it would be fun! I'm hoping to do it! :D
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Try to make the longest freight train in your layout
haha good idea! I need to beat my last record! xD
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*PERCY’S PLUNGE REMAKES INTENSIFIES*
This was amazing Sam. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. :D
haha I know - I couldn't believe it either!! :O
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Sam:train underwater
Train:are you trying to kill me
haha!! ;D
man this gives me a crazy idea. how about clear resin tubes in a fishtank put the train in the tubed track then put some fish in the tank. it would be a unique decoration for a fishtank.
In the 80s or thereabouts, LGB made a commercial showcasing the weatherproofing and robustness of their models by running a train in an aqarium. So yes, they can work underwater, providing the conductive parts are made from non-corroding metals and the electronics are sealed.
Ooh really?? I'll have to look that up - it sounds awesome! :D
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Hilarious experiment!
For a moment there, I thought that submarines had become obsolete and the Eurotunnel was a waste of money.
haha thank you! Absolutely - I thought I'd made a revolutionary discovery! ;D
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In my mind there is a crew of 0-4-0 locomotives that can go at 500mph. They are:
Katelin(gregsby's sister)
Smokey joe
Converted Yorkshire Lancashire railmoter(haven't come up with a name for him yet)
John
haha that's awesome - I'd love to see those at 500mph! What's John?!?! ;D
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Smoket joe can go at like 200mph in train simulator
Hi Sam, try using distilled water instead of tap water !!???. All the best Brian 🤗
Yeah! That'd stop the electrolysis, and you could use higher voltage without issue then, true! :D
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Electricity is an interesting beast, ain't it...
I once met the man who used to be in charge of the power system for the New York City Subway. When the agency was giving tours of one of the power substations*, he would show off by touching a part, IIRC is was part of a breaker, that was live with 3rd rail current (roughly between 600 and 625 volts DC).
* the particular facility was IRT substation 13, which is directly behind the Ed Sullivan Theater. Due to EM interference, when Ed Sullivan was using the theater for his live Sunday night show, he had an agreement with New York City Transit where they'd take the station offline for a few hours. In the Early 1990s, when Dave Letterman moved in to the building, his people went to NYCTA and asked for the same deal. When they said, "yeah, we're filming Monday-Thursday at about 5PM", they were promptly shown the door...
haha it certainly is!! Blimey that's a fantastic story - thanks for sharing that, very cool! :D
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Sam'sTrains I used to work for the transit authority’s in house museum (which is actually in an abandoned station on a one stop branch off the A train in Brooklyn. Imagine if London’s transport museum operated out of Aldwych and you’d mostly have an idea.) You’d be amazed what I walked away with.
I used to think the joke about Ensign Chekhov on Star Trek thinking everything was invent by Russians were a joke related solely to him, made up by the writers to show he was naive.
Then I met a little old woman in the museum who flat out asked me if I knew what the first subway was.
“sure, London” growing up as a fan of rapid transit there was one simple fact. “London, oldest, New York, biggest, Tokyo, busiest.”
And with a dead serious look on her face she goes “No... It was Moscow.”
Which I responded by pointing out it was built at the same time as the station she was standing in, which is functionally one of the “newer” stations.
Although I already knew a can motor would run underwater, I at least used distilled water to give it a better chance.
A very silly model train science episode, hope to see many more in the future :)
As I'm in Australia, next time I want to see one run upside down :)
haha yeah - I was half hoping for some drama though - I even thought about adding salt, just for a laugh! I like the idea of upside down running - I reckon it can be done! ;D
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*Theme from 'For a Few Dollars More' plays triumphantly*
haha!! ;D
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It Work under Water Wow Great Job My Friend for a Idea maybe you Could do a Stunt Jump or Something Great Video Sam
haha thanks very much mate - I wasn't expecting it! Yeah a stunt jump would be great - or a loop, I thought that'd be fun to try! :D
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@@SamsTrains nice thank you
Percy takes the plunge...
Except it’s not a saddle tank engine.....
😐😐😐😑😑😑😑😐😐😐😐😐
haha!! ;D
I remember when I was young, and was told to clean my model trains. It was an HO Pannier Tank from a Hornby set. I completely submerged it. Needless to say, it didn't last very long after that.
haha oh dear - that must have been a big loss - did it rust up??
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Regards the "disappearing water": likely it was seeping into cavities inside the loco, for example, inside the motor shell. It would take time to fill that. I suspect there are other similar areas which would have the same effect.
Yeah no doubt that was happening - but also the siphon effect was moving it back into the other tank - I did some testing afterwards, lol! ;D
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That is a lovely loco. I really think you should try and repair it.
I agree - I may try to get a new chassis for her! :D
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Watching this in VR, great video!
@Sam'sTrains Do you remember me from the comment section of the video mentioned in this video?
One thing about electrolysis, it will happen at any time there is any voltage difference present (for example from one rail to another, electrolysis doesn't require salt, salts are just speeding the process up (sometimes a lot, deppending on the water contents), and it's not like tap water doesn't contain other salts), but it's speed deppends on the current flowing through the circuit, which often deppends on the voltage difference itself, and the distance between the rails, and also mostly the side area the rails (and also any additional electrolytes added to the water in this case, as mentioned earlier).
So if you run this experiment on a whole set, that's gauge is small, the current required to run anything is going to be rather big, not mentioning the fact that you generate Hydrogen gas by the electrolysis, which is flammable (in the right air mix), so you have to do this in a well ventilated room, or outside. Just saying, that if you're going to do this large-scale, it is going to be hard, and possibly dangerous (If you do manadge to light the generated gas).
I just want to say the extremes before they happen, and don't be supprised that the power supply might not allow the loco to go fast in that experiment (according to the current measurements that piece of track uses ~10mA (which is a lot, considering ~14.5 times less than a locomotive, but you need propably 12 pieces that might be 2 as long as this one to make a loop of track) at ~6V (10mA/6V = (10/6)mS of conductance per piece of track, so at 12V that piece of track takes 12V*(10/6)mS = 20mA, for more tracks you add conductances togetrer so 2 tracks would take 12V*(2*(10/6)mS)) = 40mA, and so on. To max out your first power supply (at 12V) just for electrolysis you would need: (300mA/12V)/((10/6)mS) = 60 of those track pieces. Those calculations are just aproximations, for anyone that might complain about the crudeness of the model and/or calculation).
Hey! Thanks very much for the info! I wouldn't entirely agree that electrolysis doesn't require salt (or ions) to work, and instead relies on the amount of current running through the circuit - I'm fairly sure that isn't true! It can't happen 'any time' either - unless the voltage difference is sufficiently large to overcome the resistivity of the substance. Current will only flow through the circuit at these voltages due to the presence of ions in the water. Adding salt to the water would increase the ionic content in the water, and thus allow more current to flow. The voltage difference will make an impact, but ultimately the resistivity of the electrolyte will be the greatest factor in this case.
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@@SamsTrains I agree, electrolysis requires some ions to work, but in your case your water was (I'm almost 100& sure) not destiled, therefore it has some ions already in, and at that point it doesn't require any more of them, for just electrolysis to happen. Technicaly speaking, electrolysis will happen with even 1 "ion pair", but it will be very very very very very slow, which you might percive as it is not happening at all. I just wanted to say, that i didn't state clearly. Are you planning to do this experiment big-scale anyway? Thanks for replying - Eryk :)
Great experiment Sam. This reminds me of a similar experiment when "RODALCO2007" submerged a TV into oil and it still worked but I think it failed when he filled the container with water. I do like these experiments.
haha that's awesome! Yeah most electronics can survive in oil - quite nicely too - water is the killer, lol! ;D
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Bit of a fun fact. Electricity is not conducted through distilled water. Its the minerals which make a conductable.
That's very true! Though I just used plain water - ions and all! ;D
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1800s: I bet we’ll have flying trains in the future!
2019: *making model trains work in water and burning them out*
haha!! Welcome to the future! ;D
Talk of crazy underwater ideas....
Once, Sam was magically transported into the computerised world of Sonic the Hedgehog. He dropped out of a portal into the ruins of an underwater city. I don't know if Sam can swim or not; he couldn't do that here. Wandering around, he noticed Air Bubblers all around him, spewing up giant air bubbles. Sam breathed one of the bubbles in and it popped.
Unable to speak, Sam wandered along rough waterbed platforms. He met Sonic in blue hedgehog fashion. Sonic couldn't swim himself. Sonic demonstrated that breathing in air bubbles kept one alive, for one couldn't wander far without air underwater. Sam, ever eager to explore, wandered away into a long underwater corridor. He emerged into a more vast open space. A bubbler lay far away by a rock wall. Unwisely, Sam ignored the bubbler and walked around the open space. Warning tings sounded above his head. He paid no attention, until a 5-second drowning theme surrounded him. He ran towards the far-away bubbler, hoping he hadn't left it too late. The music sped up gradually as the 5-second timer reached zero. The music silenced itself and Sam drowned! He lay on the waterbed motionless having lost his life.
Sam was magically transported back into his loft, soaking wet. He never woke up. Rest in Peace, Sam. May your tortured soul find forgiveness one day. Rule no. 1: never go for too long underwater without air. You will drown.
haha did I?!?! I don't remember this!!! :O
Thanks for the awesome story again, lol! ;D
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@@SamsTrains Of course not. This is something I made up. It's no fun drowning in reality. Can you swim or not?
Can Model Trains Work Underwater?
hmmmmm, sounds cool!
haha!! ;D
That engine's going to have some stories when it gets back to the shed.
haha!! It certainly will... if it can still communicate! xD
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Can one of thows engines still work after being sent down a all most vertical drop from a house window?
You mean being thrown out of a window? I think there's a good chance it'd survive, yeah!
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I once tried to run a 2007 Trackmaster Henry in the water, and then, i realized that the model from Something in The Air probably did not survive filming.
Uh oh!!! :(
Since now you did the water test, all we need is the fire test and then your engine will be a proper Steam Engine ;)
P.s Pretty insane and cool video Sam :)
haha absolutely - I wonder how I could do that?? lol! ;D
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There is one already, Terrier55 had a Smokey Joe Pocket Rocket jump a flaming ring.
@@nickelplatenerd6989 Yeah😅. Almost forgot he did that :)
there's no need for salt in the water for electrolysis. Aamof don't do that with salty water..you'll produce chlorine which is toxic. There were bubbles on the other line too but less visible. Nice test :p
Yes you're right, but salt would increase the conductivity! ;D
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You should mount this somewhere as a trophy of sorts!
You know, I think I will! :D
Tank Engne: Oh, the water is sloshing my fire!
haha I know - it must have been frightening!
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I was making a reference to "Percy Keeps His Promise". Yeah, I like those tank engines. The design is so unique.
Sam wasn’t going to stop till he destroys that poor engine 😂, great video as always!
haha - but it didn't die in vain, lol! ;D
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I think there's a chance that you have produced your own hydrogen there.
I can see the headlines already : "Model railway enthusiast is leading the energy storage revolution"
And, obviously, HMUs are just around the corner.
haha yeah I think that's what it would be - though it's not particularly efficient, lol! ;D
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So the locomotive joins miles in Sam's museum of crazy experiments
Yep! It does indeed, lol! ;D
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Sam: *Can Model Trains Work Underwater?*
Me: well yes but actually no
haha!! ;D
It would be cool to see a model train in a underwater tube without water in it.
haha that would be very awesome!! :D
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SamsTrains: It’s American Trains week!
America:I wonder if...
SamsTrains: TRAINS CAN WORK UNDER WATER! GENIUS!
America: No acctua..
SamsTrains: *starts singing American anthem*
Also can you test to see if trains can go down stairs
One final thing, I love how you used the official mug to take out the water
haha I know - that's logic for you! I've had lots of requests for locos on stairs.... I don't think what'd happen! Oh yeah - got to use the official merch! ;D
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What I got from this is that well draining the water you didn't think to drop the power being pumped into it and you overloaded it. And if you had adjusted accordingly it may have survived a bit better?
Yeah I agree - that's the conclusion I drew too! :D
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I didn’t think it would’ve worked still! Impressive!
I didn't think so either - I'm impressed! :O
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Wow speed in the real life
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I used to flood lego trains when I was like 8. I don't know why but I always found it fun when I would drown mini figures in coaches.
haha I know - I can imagine finding that a lot of fun too, lol! ;D
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This WAS a surprise to me, I thought the engine was for sure going to short right as water came into contact with the wheels.
Me too! I thought it would too - it was quite impressive! :D
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This reminds me of a model train on another channel I saw for Garden Railroading, the brand I think is called LGB but this steam loco which was based on a European steamer ran through water above the boiler deep and ran out to along the line unhindered as if it went through a wheel deep puddle.
Ahh really?? I'll have to check that out, thanks for letting me know! :D
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Maybe you could do an experiment with a train running through fire!!!
Ooh there's a crazy idea!! :O
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Actually water doesn’t conduct, it’s the impurities that are in the water that make it dangerous. Salt, calcium, and even oxygen will allow current flow, but water that has been purified (like distilled water), and de-oxygenated, is a very good insulator. In the military I maintained a piece of electronic equipment that was water cooled. Doesn’t sound special? The water was passed THROUGH the conductors! Operating at over 450 volts AC and three hundred volts DC, with no losses through the water.
Yes this is very true - the resistivity of pure water is pretty high - but most water-related electrical incidents don't involve distilled water, hehe!
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That train is invincible now
haha yeah, except for the fact that it's now dead! ;D
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Meanwhile you put the help an tango underwater lol