Now I want to see a video of Supercars from Australia running at Daytona/Talladega or NASCAR Gen 6 cars running at Bathurst. Imagine Supercars engaging in pack racing or Kyle Busch & Joey Logano battling each other at the famous "Chase".
I see what you're doing. Hoping TV people see you calling a race and thinking maybe we should bring this guy into the broadcast fraternity. Very clever, good luck.
He was already invited to do a segment in a practice session for this year's Indy 500 in IMS Radio Network's booth. Maybe they can call him again in 23?
I think it would be fun to see a one off with the engineers having to play different strategy roles. I'd imagine Ferrari would have found a way to screw themselves
An F1 race maxes out at 190 miles. Maybe 200 if they lift and coast. That basically means they have to refuel twice to make 500 miles. That would be a VERY interesting show.
@@mrbloodmuffins So they couldn’t even run an Indy 500 if they wanted to. I’m thinking the hybrid systems couldn’t recharge either, eventually making them a drag on horsepower.
I have a feeling this is Dave's demo tape for the Indianapolis motor speedway radio Network. at least that's what I'm hoping! he deserves a spot as one of the turn announcers. excellent broadcast sir, you're natural! ☮️❤️🎵🤗🌍🏁
Nowadays I can't imagine ever racing at an oval without a halo/aeroscreen. Having your head exposed potentially hitting the safer barrier wall or fence would be horrible. Surprised there wasn't more accidents before
Great video. I've always said if the US get another F1 race it should be an oval. It would be an amazing race to see which constructor has the best aero package.
The 1959 USGP was held at Sebring and the 1960 USGP was held at Riverside Raceway. So, 1958 would have been the last year that GP points were awarded to Indy 500 competitors. After World War II, Indy Car rules were similar to pre-war Formula One limits of 3.0 liters supercharged and 4.5 liters normally aspirated.
Great job on commentary. Hopefully IMS gives you more opportunities this year. Also this Rolex entry list has a couple of question marks. 56 of 60 were from commitments to all 4 endurance rounds (I hope it’s true but we shall see how many show up to Petit. 61 at Daytona last year 43 at Petit). Left out some good teams. KCMG was Porsche factory effort I would think probably with Rogers WEC drivers, racing team Turkey among others
I'm sure it would be fine as long as they don't hit the wall. This year's cars seem to have strong components, such as suspension, so may be able to race there.
They break to dissipate the force. As long as the monocoque is intact then the driver can be poured out in one gelatinous lump, rather than arms and legs flying everywhere 😀
i couldn't watch the whole thing so apologies if this was said, the main thing we have to point out is F1 cars are of course not generic, which would create massive differences between this in a real race. Mainly, we'd see some runaway victories like the old days. Could this be mitigating without compromising the spirit of F1 too much? Let's have a pretend discussion anyways, as if F1 were actually planning to run the Indy 500 (weirder things are happening on this simulation timeline so why not). Here's a short to-do list I think they would have to address. 1 - tires - would need an oval tire ($$$). Maybe firestone could just do it. 2 - aero - I think they would actually need an Indy specific aero regulation supplement. Maybe not spec but very strict. We'd still have different cars so, in fact, you could not make the aero of those different cars exactly the same , but I'd imagine keeping it pretty basic and tight would be a good idea. It would probably need to be even lower downforce as well. I'd imagine teams won't love the thought of spending too much on development of a kit for 1 race. Maybe championship contenders wouldn't devote significant budget to this event under the cost cap where they have 24 other races to prepare for, and it could be an opportunity for a mid-field team to steal a win? Hopefully, DRS would not be in play. 3 - Powertrains - Would we want some kind of BoP going on here? Or just a simple power cap? If not the best engines would probably just run away with the thing? Do Hybrids even come into play much on an oval with little to no braking? Perhaps they could be unplugged for this event? 4 - Safety - would F1 adopt an aero screen for the oval? Frankly I don't understand why they don't have it anyways. The potential for debris striking a driver inside the halo is still a very serious risk, on the oval they'd surly consider it. 5- testing - getting some track time would probably be even more important than it is for IndyCar, with the high speeds and risks of Indy coupled with a complete lack of oval experience, teams would benefit from some test days. Would the sport be willing to take off the month of May with its 2,567 race calendar? Perhaps with F1 already in Miami teams could bring their oval kits early and get some testing in a few week ahead of time, but would the entire circus stay stateside for a whole month? Imola's 2023 date would have to be moved or nixed... bummer 6 - Monaco - Would have to be moved. Make it the first week of June. Then the International racing community can cruise up to Le Mans for test day the following week. Well I've talked myself into it. I will say, Indy is a premier event and ought to get more recognition. While we're at it Sebring and Daytona should count towards the WEC. Yes I am off work today.
1 - Pirelli would do what they normally do, and pump up the tyres. That would help with the speed. 2 - I think they could do like Indycar have done, and have very simple front and rear wing to be used to balance the car. I am sure that the underbody of the current cars has more than enough downforce to take the oval flat out. Wouldn't need DRS, rear wing would probably only have the one element. 3 - Engines are all very close in performance. Drag will be the main difference. Current PU rules have two ways to recover energy - braking and from the turbo. There won't be too much brake recovery, but the MGUH will recover some power (around 80hp) at full throttle, which it will send directly to the MGUK. The battery can be filled up during the war up, and can be used for 33s at full power, 66s if the MGUH can develop the 80hp. Would be good for some tactical use. 4 - Yes, they would consider it. On the plus side, it might lower drag a little. 5 - There would be much simulation at the factory, so the drivers may not need too much practice. Rules would need to change for refuelling. At the moment it is very slow and only can be done in the pits. 2 stops for fuel would be needed, how many for tyres?
The ironic thing is right after f1 dropped the 500 from the championship is when the f1 drivers started taking intrest Also one of the primary reasons f1 included the 500 in the first place was to justify the "world championship" title since the championship was essentially a continuation of the interwar European championship with the indy 500 put in
America’s premier racing event - used to be a Formula 1 race. Yes, you read that right: For 11 whole years, the Indy 500 was a points-paying race on the F1 calendar. The 1950 Formula 1 season was the fourth under FIA sanctioning, and the first that included the Indy 500. The thinking was, basically, that the Indy 500 was a big event worthy of being a Grand Prix. So, the FIA included the event on the F1 calendar. It seemed like a pretty easy way to unite a predominately European fanbase with a predominately American one. But it flopped being in F1 in 1960. European Teams could not afford to pay the bills to come to the USA.
You did an awesome job with commenting on the simmed race but talking about Indy 500 and F1 drivers and not mentioning double winner Juan Pablo Montoya, is a shame...
This was absolutely ridiculous but I loved it. It looked like Daytona or Talladega at times. Can I recommend we see IndyCars race at Daytona, Talladega, and Monaco? I would also love to see NASCAR at Barber Motorsports Park or Long Beach just for chaos.
They should do a combination race like allow a certain number of f1 cars and a certain number of indyCars and both race in like a exhibition race at Indy
Lotus ran in 1965 with Jim Clarke and won as well as showing Americans how to build a rear engine race car. So kids all Indy cars are F1 cars but cheaply built version's. Which I like.
I honestly wonder what the V10 era cars powerplant would help with the speed? They had to of been higher on the horsepower and tourqe too, I would place the V10 inside the pre new body style F1 car. Plus since these cars are in the draft wouldn't the max mph increase to around the higher 220's?
This happened in 2000 and before that is the reason why the pagoda was forced to be changed by the fia. Do to IMS refused to put a Shcan the fia took it off the schedule.
F1 guys seem to have a real problem with running side-by-side without hitting each other. So I don’t know if the drivers them selves would actually do very well.
I like your videos but it is not the Indianapolis 500, it is 17 F1 cars racing g on the oval, which is cool I enjoyed it. Still, not the 500. If you had 33 of them and raced 500 miles then you can call it the 500!
That would be an amazing idea. Not to mention it gives Ferrari, Aston Martin, Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, among others, a chance to shine in a way that Formula 1 can’t do. I think Ferrari, Aston Martin and all F1 drivers are just being foolish and whiny to not wanna do so.
thats true, formula one doesn't really have that ONE BIG race. theyve got monaco, spa, monza, they are historic/ prestigious, but none of them have that daytona 500/ indy 500 level.
@@hunterpro_1 AMEN! No track in F1 can ever match the prestige of the Indianapolis 500. Regardless if the prize money is bigger in F1. After all, Al Unser, Jr. once said when it comes to Indy, “money or living doesn’t matter at all. Winning the Indy 500 is the ONLY thing that matters!”
We need Murray Walker and Martin Brundle to join your booth because this is awesome
Might be a bit difficult to get Murray in a commentary booth now, alas :(
7:32 Leclerc: “I had to raise hell and praise Dale for the 1 time”
Now I want to see a video of Supercars from Australia running at Daytona/Talladega or NASCAR Gen 6 cars running at Bathurst. Imagine Supercars engaging in pack racing or Kyle Busch & Joey Logano battling each other at the famous "Chase".
I drove the v8 supercars at indy and the racing was amazing in project cars 2
I know it’ll never happen but it would be awesome if this happened in real life as an exhibition race.
Unfortunately those guys are too scared of speed on an oval
@@michaelbragg6903 not Alonso. He'll drive anything with four wheels and an engine. And he'll be fast
@@martimxavier9690 I kinda want Alonso to run the trackhouse 91 next year in the cup series
@@martimxavier9690 As long as the car doesn't have a GP2 engine.
@TMcKeon408 not even his magic is enough to make those god awful mclaren engines good
I see what you're doing. Hoping TV people see you calling a race and thinking maybe we should bring this guy into the broadcast fraternity. Very clever, good luck.
yes that's what I'm hoping
@@DJDouglasWarden and you are?
He was already invited to do a segment in a practice session for this year's Indy 500 in IMS Radio Network's booth. Maybe they can call him again in 23?
I think it would be fun to see a one off with the engineers having to play different strategy roles. I'd imagine Ferrari would have found a way to screw themselves
I never tought DL could be a commentator. But bro, this was better than the irl indycar coverage
I actually love this. Love watching people putting the F1 cars to Indy oval in the sims
Now RP won't let F1 come back to IMS because they would tear up his lovely grass.
If F1 cars lifted and coasted, could they do the full 500 miles?
That would make the race the fastest of the slowest.
An F1 race maxes out at 190 miles. Maybe 200 if they lift and coast. That basically means they have to refuel twice to make 500 miles. That would be a VERY interesting show.
Can F1 cars even refuel mid race?
@@Tydyjav1 not since 2009
@@mrbloodmuffins So they couldn’t even run an Indy 500 if they wanted to. I’m thinking the hybrid systems couldn’t recharge either, eventually making them a drag on horsepower.
David that was very , very entertaining !!
You are ready for the IMS radio network !
We may need some virtual rumble strips in turn one...lol
Wow this was great! I was sweating bullets watching the final lap and it's only a AI racing sim! Good work David!
Wow. I didn't know it would be pack racing. That was fun to watch
high downforce , high drag = pack race
@@AlistairMaxwell77 way to dangerous to do in real life with f1 cars. There would be a lot of cars flying
Holy shit that ending was close! Great race and amazing commentary!
Holy crap, this was so awesome to watch!
The finish was *chefs kiss* beautiful!
Leclerc would definitely be the first ever Monegasque Driver in the Indy 500 because Stefano Coletti never happened!
LMAO Coletti... god
Next up we need to see what an IMSA/WEC multi-class Indy 500 looks like
Radman already tried IMSA at Talladega. Next new idea.
I wasn't expecting a superspeedway race with F1 cars on Indianapolis.
Excellent video with your commentary rating a 10+. Excellent way to make the off season more fun as well.
The old right leg is going to get awful tired trying to push the throttle through the floor for 200 laps.
I have a feeling this is Dave's demo tape for the Indianapolis motor speedway radio Network. at least that's what I'm hoping! he deserves a spot as one of the turn announcers.
excellent broadcast sir, you're natural!
☮️❤️🎵🤗🌍🏁
It's like watching Talladega but Indianapolis/F1 style
Nowadays I can't imagine ever racing at an oval without a halo/aeroscreen. Having your head exposed potentially hitting the safer barrier wall or fence would be horrible. Surprised there wasn't more accidents before
DAVID LAND with the genuine announcer chops!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Nice commentary. I wish the Formula 1 calendar was adjusted to free up drivers to have a go at the Indy 500 and Le Mans.
Next should be the Daytona Road Course! 💯
That was fun to watch! Great job David
Looks like a 17 car field for the Freedom 100. LOL
😅😅
You should be a commentator for an actual broadcast team. I would listen to you over most of the ones that are on TV right now.
I don't think an F1 engine would be able to take running at max RPM for 500 miles. They weren't designed for that.
Great video. I've always said if the US get another F1 race it should be an oval. It would be an amazing race to see which constructor has the best aero package.
“I went back in time and stepped on a bug and this happened” 😂😂😂
"Drivers, start your Power Units" lacks a little something.
The 1959 USGP was held at Sebring and the 1960 USGP was held at Riverside Raceway. So, 1958 would have been the last year that GP points were awarded to Indy 500 competitors. After World War II, Indy Car rules were similar to pre-war Formula One limits of 3.0 liters supercharged and 4.5 liters normally aspirated.
If this were to happen, which teams do you think would bring in an oval track ringer to run the race
RED BULL, for sure. And, maybe Mercedes.
Great job on commentary. Hopefully IMS gives you more opportunities this year. Also this Rolex entry list has a couple of question marks. 56 of 60 were from commitments to all 4 endurance rounds (I hope it’s true but we shall see how many show up to Petit. 61 at Daytona last year 43 at Petit). Left out some good teams. KCMG was Porsche factory effort I would think probably with Rogers WEC drivers, racing team Turkey among others
McLaren raced in the Indy 500 in the mid 1960's to early 70s. With their f1 driver Denny Hulme
wasnt Stefano Coletti Monegasque. this was cool. you should try Indycar at Monaco next
Honestly, that was a really entertaining race
After seeing Mick's Haas break in half at Monaco...idk how these cars would hold up
I'm sure it would be fine as long as they don't hit the wall. This year's cars seem to have strong components, such as suspension, so may be able to race there.
They break to dissipate the force. As long as the monocoque is intact then the driver can be poured out in one gelatinous lump, rather than arms and legs flying everywhere 😀
Great video - really enjoyed it. Thanks.
Russell would never pass in a corner without knocking another car off the track.
i couldn't watch the whole thing so apologies if this was said, the main thing we have to point out is F1 cars are of course not generic, which would create massive differences between this in a real race. Mainly, we'd see some runaway victories like the old days. Could this be mitigating without compromising the spirit of F1 too much? Let's have a pretend discussion anyways, as if F1 were actually planning to run the Indy 500 (weirder things are happening on this simulation timeline so why not). Here's a short to-do list I think they would have to address.
1 - tires - would need an oval tire ($$$). Maybe firestone could just do it.
2 - aero - I think they would actually need an Indy specific aero regulation supplement. Maybe not spec but very strict. We'd still have different cars so, in fact, you could not make the aero of those different cars exactly the same , but I'd imagine keeping it pretty basic and tight would be a good idea. It would probably need to be even lower downforce as well. I'd imagine teams won't love the thought of spending too much on development of a kit for 1 race. Maybe championship contenders wouldn't devote significant budget to this event under the cost cap where they have 24 other races to prepare for, and it could be an opportunity for a mid-field team to steal a win? Hopefully, DRS would not be in play.
3 - Powertrains - Would we want some kind of BoP going on here? Or just a simple power cap? If not the best engines would probably just run away with the thing? Do Hybrids even come into play much on an oval with little to no braking? Perhaps they could be unplugged for this event?
4 - Safety - would F1 adopt an aero screen for the oval? Frankly I don't understand why they don't have it anyways. The potential for debris striking a driver inside the halo is still a very serious risk, on the oval they'd surly consider it.
5- testing - getting some track time would probably be even more important than it is for IndyCar, with the high speeds and risks of Indy coupled with a complete lack of oval experience, teams would benefit from some test days. Would the sport be willing to take off the month of May with its 2,567 race calendar? Perhaps with F1 already in Miami teams could bring their oval kits early and get some testing in a few week ahead of time, but would the entire circus stay stateside for a whole month? Imola's 2023 date would have to be moved or nixed... bummer
6 - Monaco - Would have to be moved. Make it the first week of June. Then the International racing community can cruise up to Le Mans for test day the following week.
Well I've talked myself into it. I will say, Indy is a premier event and ought to get more recognition. While we're at it Sebring and Daytona should count towards the WEC. Yes I am off work today.
1 - Pirelli would do what they normally do, and pump up the tyres. That would help with the speed.
2 - I think they could do like Indycar have done, and have very simple front and rear wing to be used to balance the car. I am sure that the underbody of the current cars has more than enough downforce to take the oval flat out. Wouldn't need DRS, rear wing would probably only have the one element.
3 - Engines are all very close in performance. Drag will be the main difference.
Current PU rules have two ways to recover energy - braking and from the turbo. There won't be too much brake recovery, but the MGUH will recover some power (around 80hp) at full throttle, which it will send directly to the MGUK.
The battery can be filled up during the war up, and can be used for 33s at full power, 66s if the MGUH can develop the 80hp. Would be good for some tactical use.
4 - Yes, they would consider it. On the plus side, it might lower drag a little.
5 - There would be much simulation at the factory, so the drivers may not need too much practice.
Rules would need to change for refuelling. At the moment it is very slow and only can be done in the pits.
2 stops for fuel would be needed, how many for tyres?
Fairly certain an F1 car would last 50 laps or so and blow an engine.
😅
if it's an Alpine or Ferrari I certainly believe you
@@traaztek1996 The sad thing is that also applies to any other circuit lol
You'd be a great motorsports or esports commentator. Give it a try sometime (if you haven't already)
Great commentary.... Very nicely done
The ironic thing is right after f1 dropped the 500 from the championship is when the f1 drivers started taking intrest
Also one of the primary reasons f1 included the 500 in the first place was to justify the "world championship" title since the championship was essentially a continuation of the interwar European championship with the indy 500 put in
Very inice you took Automobilista 2 for answering this interesting question! Awesome commentary!
If this happened, then like what partick said "Eveyone died, the end"
This is great! Since we're doing a pure fantasy race, why not throw on 25 IndyCars to battle it out against the F1 cars and see what happens?😂
It would be even worse than it is now.
Remember the F1 race at Indy where only like 5 cars went out to race? F1 sucks!
Hope Roger brings F1 back to Indy , a Indy, F1 double header…..
America’s premier racing event - used to be a Formula 1 race. Yes, you read that right: For 11 whole years, the Indy 500 was a points-paying race on the F1 calendar.
The 1950 Formula 1 season was the fourth under FIA sanctioning, and the first that included the Indy 500.
The thinking was, basically, that the Indy 500 was a big event worthy of being a Grand Prix.
So, the FIA included the event on the F1 calendar.
It seemed like a pretty easy way to unite a predominately European fanbase with a predominately American one.
But it flopped being in F1 in 1960.
European Teams could not afford to pay the bills to come to the USA.
What no Pagenaud to take out the leader in the final laps?
This is going to be completely unrealistic
“Fernando Alonso leads the Indianapolis 500!”
Ok, maybe just slightly unrealistic.
You did an awesome job with commenting on the simmed race
but talking about Indy 500 and F1 drivers and not mentioning double winner Juan Pablo Montoya, is a shame...
This was absolutely ridiculous but I loved it. It looked like Daytona or Talladega at times. Can I recommend we see IndyCars race at Daytona, Talladega, and Monaco? I would also love to see NASCAR at Barber Motorsports Park or Long Beach just for chaos.
Cool video. I really liked it
This was fun!!! Do it again next year!!!!
man that was lit love it m8
awesome wheel to wheel battle 👍
Reserve drivers should’ve been included for a full 33 field.
They would never run that close to each other
They would be doing a full second faster per lap
interestingly 6+ seconds off the race lap record of Eddie Cheever in 1996 - 38.119 at 236.103mph . 44 seconds is about 200mph . 1982 speeds .
Participating in sim racing might be fun, but watch it is just pointless
Fred Nando is leading. 😅
Great video David but please no F1 at the 500. INDYCAR for INDYCAR.
They should do a combination race like allow a certain number of f1 cars and a certain number of indyCars and both race in like a exhibition race at Indy
It turned F1 into a restrictor plate race.
Formula nascar
-do this with 2005 cars-
michelin moment
its like an old fashioned irl pack race
Might be the only way we can keep 33 starters in the coming years.
This has confirmed my suspicion. F1 should host an Indy 500
I don't think that F1 cars at Indy would be that close, I would really be interested on how DRS would work...
Lotus ran in 1965 with Jim Clarke and won as well as showing Americans how to build a rear engine race car. So kids all Indy cars are F1 cars but cheaply built version's. Which I like.
I honestly wonder what the V10 era cars powerplant would help with the speed? They had to of been higher on the horsepower and tourqe too, I would place the V10 inside the pre new body style F1 car. Plus since these cars are in the draft wouldn't the max mph increase to around the higher 220's?
If I had to guess Penske would be allowed to run the full F1 schedule if this happened.
next up is a CART world series/indycar race in mount panorama or a brazillian stockcar race in a NASCAR oval
Awesome video!
Didn't realize this would basically be open wheel Talladega lol
Here is my yearly comment asking you to finish your indy 500 evolution let's play.
looked like freedom100 to me
Sounds like Tie fighters
Just for the record it’s Check-O Perez ! 😂🤷🏻♂️
It would cool as hell to see Formula 1 run the oval even if it's a one race deal....
Have you seen video footage of an F1 vs an IndyCar it's pretty funny. 😅
I truly believe that F1 should have an oval race here
This happened in 2000 and before that is the reason why the pagoda was forced to be changed by the fia. Do to IMS refused to put a Shcan the fia took it off the schedule.
F1 guys seem to have a real problem with running side-by-side without hitting each other. So I don’t know if the drivers them selves would actually do very well.
f1 doesn't have spotters
@@AlistairMaxwell77
Right. They’d get flustered by the constant radio chatter and crash even sooner
Would have been a lot more realistic if Ferrari had opted for a two-stop strategy..
he predicted the future of sim racing
Nobody:
AI: GRASSSSSS!!!!!!!
This just looks like the freedom 100, which makes me miss it
I like your videos but it is not the Indianapolis 500, it is 17 F1 cars racing g on the oval, which is cool I enjoyed it. Still, not the 500. If you had 33 of them and raced 500 miles then you can call it the 500!
sayinz not sighns
That would be an amazing idea. Not to mention it gives Ferrari, Aston Martin, Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, among others, a chance to shine in a way that Formula 1 can’t do.
I think Ferrari, Aston Martin and all F1 drivers are just being foolish and whiny to not wanna do so.
thats true, formula one doesn't really have that ONE BIG race. theyve got monaco, spa, monza, they are historic/ prestigious, but none of them have that daytona 500/ indy 500 level.
@@hunterpro_1 AMEN! No track in F1 can ever match the prestige of the Indianapolis 500. Regardless if the prize money is bigger in F1. After all, Al Unser, Jr. once said when it comes to Indy, “money or living doesn’t matter at all. Winning the Indy 500 is the ONLY thing that matters!”
Somebody better check on David after the Colts - Vikings game.
This was awesome, thank you
One hell of a race!! THANKS!!!
I saw former F1 drivers Eddie Cheever, Danny Sullivan and Nigel Mansell at 1984 Detroit Gran Prix…….pre Indy car entry…..,
I loved this.
Cheek-O Perez?