And Indycar is relevant where outside the US? Nowhere, that nowhere in the rest of the world. why don’t you yanks keep playing on your sandbox and let the grownups do the racing?
@chadbuckley3162 F1 has been running like a mob for 40 years. It's bad, but Michael knew what F1 is, and knew what he was doing. So now he needs to meet the consequences of his decisions.
I really don't get why Michael Andretti is so hated. It's like the F1 team bosses are threatened by him. I bet you more than 95% of fans know the Andretti name and relate into racing than Lawrence Stroll.
@@rexthewolf3149How else was he supposed to get in then!? The FOM was really adamant about not letting them in. It took a very real threat of a DOJ Anti-trust investigation for them to budge.
@@jonathansobczak9394 well considering they would have to get an engine. Pissing off the current teams and manufacturers is the best way not have a running car.
@@rexthewolf3149, Andretti did nothing wrong. He was actively boycotted by the other teams over economic protectionism. His harsh words only came after the Andretti bid was blocked by the existing teams.
Michael, like many other team owners as of late, made a deal with the devil and paid the price, the amount of teams owned by investment groups rather than people with racing background is concerning
@@mattg9971”A poor businessman”?!? Seems to me he has been a very successful racer, team owner, AND businessman. F1 is a Euro club running on oil money now.
I remember he only flew from America to the race weekends overseas. Did little to no testing. No TEAM involvement on his part. No one can expect full time success and accolades with less than part time effort. I’m confident this memory still burns hot in The F1 Community, which is tighter than tight knit. They DON’T forgive, and certainly DON’T forget. He made a mistake. We all do. F1 is a much tougher group to keep happy than your normal group of humans.
There is more to this than meets the eye, Michael has to have done something major to be treated this way, you don't just get forced out like this for no reason.
They will probably choose someone else initially with Michael Andretti in an advisory role, the person will quit for undisclosed reasons and promote Michael to the top.
in 1991 there was 31 cars entered the f1 championships, on a Friday morning the newest or slowest teams had to pre-qualify 14 drivers had to fight for 6 places to go forward into qualifying, yes it was a weird position to be in but the grids were full (26 cars) it was better for young drivers to get into f1 and for small teams to try and make a break into the top tier of motorsports, some have become famous for being so bad (andrea moda & Life come to mind) and some were seen for the first time in pre-qualifying (jordan) somehow F1 was better back then, drivers spoke their mind, team owners did the same, the cars sounded amazing and the drivers had to pass back markers at their own choice as there was no blue flag rule back then!
Yes and then those cars were so uncompetitive in the race that they finished multiple laps behind the big boys. And not having a blue flag rule is stupid for non endurance or oval racing sports. You're one lap behind, you're out of it. If you've been slow enough to end up one lap back then there is no way you're getting that lap back. So get out the way and don't annoy the people who are competing at the front.
@@nickklavdianos5136 i disagree, yes they may not have had the best cars but if you don't jump in how you going to learn to swim? any team you know join and win from day 1? i mean Mercedes can link there beginnings to tyrrell, Red Bull were originally Stewart grand prix! drivers need low level teams to get there break into the sport i mean both alonso and Webber started with minardi! as for blue flags well if you so bloody quick you can lap someone then passing them should not be a problem, why should people jump out of their way isn't it there job as the quicker car to find a way past using the skill and speed a leader has!
@@MrDavidfball yes, many teams entered and were pretty competitive from day one. Hell Haas did pretty good from day one when they joined. Meanwhile in the 90s you had teams like Forti or Pacific being way off the pace and embarassing themselves. So far off the pace that the 2021 Haas would look competitive compared to them. Plus these minnows usually sign pay drivers because they need the money. And more recently, what was really the point of HRT, Caterham and Virgin/Marussia/Manor? Only thing they achieved was giving Narain Karthikeyan more seasons in F1 and getting Bianchi killed. Also the fact that in all the years those teams were around the only good drivers they brought into the sport were Bianchi, Ricciardo and Ocon (and maybe Wehrlein). Most of the time they gave seats to washed up veterans or pay drivers that didn't deserve to be there. You said it yourself, the car that's one lap ahead would pass the lapped down car very easily, the only thing the slow car will achieve is annoying the leaders before they get to a straight. Therefore because them getting lapped is an inevitability, it's better if they get out the way and don't annoy the leaders. And I would love to see how no blue flags would work in a place like Monaco.
@@nickklavdianos5136 haas were only fairly quick in the first season to the car being pretty much a copy of the works ferrari car. those minnows you spoke of joined after being promised cost caps would be implemented but that never happened screwing them over. oh and if you wish to see how no blue flags worked at monaco then you have not watched F1 for very long, was never an issue for the likes of Senna, Mansell, Prost etc etc. after all if they are lapping the same people they have the same job to do
@@MrDavidfball if you've watched F1 for so long you don't need me to tell you that back then the size if the cars was noticeably smaller than today. "It was never an issue for the likes of Senna, Mansell and Prost". My ass it wasn't. There's literally a famous overtake where Mansell passed Senna in Hungary for the lead because Senna got held up by a backmarker mid corner and Mansell got a run. Let's go ask Mansell and Prost if they'd prefer to have blue flags enforced back in their day. I bet they'd like it very much. There's literally no reason to allow backmarkers to annoy the leaders. No one gets anything out of it. Look at Indycar which doesn't have blue flags. The only thing they got out of it was Benjamin Pedersen pissing people off. Oh and as far as the minnows are concerned, if you haven't got enough money to be competitive, don't join F1. It's literally that simple. F1s history is bustling with idiots that were too full of themselves to realize they had no business being there.
Can you confirm that Herta got a super license? I know Racer and Sports Illustrated reported that he did but their source was a tweet from Herta where he didn't actually outright say that he did, it just sort of sounded like he did but every single other major news outlet denied it. But neither Racer, SI or Herta has ever posted a retraction. So what's the deal? By my reading of the rules and math, he's still 8 or 9 points shy of a super license. It would require some extremely creative interpretation of the covid rules to get him enough points. Of course if he can finish 4th or better in points next year, it doesn't matter.
From people's calculations online, Herta has 32 points currently. He would need to finish at least 4th in next year's Indycar Championship to secure a license, without any out side running (F1 practice sessions, another racing series, etc...)
@@Mr.X2188 That is my calculation as well but like I said, David Land here is now a 4th source claiming he already got his super license (Racer, SI and Herta himself being the other 3).
@@nilesanders5110he’ll be better in f1 than Indycar herta is a good road racer he’s not the best oval racer just like palou would be better in f1 as well!
My thoughts exactly. I cannot see a scenario where the big badges of Chevy and Honda stick around for more than another few years. On the bright side, if it is Ilmore, maybe they can ditch the hybrid.
@@jsembler1the scenario is quite simple - monoseries where car manufacturers re-badge single engine supplier. It's good for business. And BTW the GM is already just rebadging Ilmor engines as "Chevy" 😉
While the bolts of the organisation have not changed much, in a sport which requires as much spend as F1, I think the leadership and who the money men are matters a lot. Team owners, CEOs and team principals make a huge difference in F1, and in the Netflix era have become stars in their own right. Considering that, I feel the change of "ownership" from Andretti with some support from GM, to GM owned team operated by TWG (Andretti) is quite important to the "prospects" of the team in future. And almost even more important is Micheal's leadership would probably have not worked in F1, and now with Towriss probably as CEO and a different hired out team principal who will head up trackside operations will also make a huge difference in the prospects of the team. In addition there is huge prospective value in having GM and all its associate brands in F1, especially outside of the USA. The Andretti brand would only have worked in US, but would be pretty much unknown outside of that. F1 has already seen how Haas have worked out as an "American" team, hence they wanted a proper automaker backed and owned team.
I feel like this was a power move by GM, like they almost said that either we are on the grid 2026 or we are out and not doing a engine or works team project.
Overall it’s a good thing. I don’t feel they should go over 22 cars but I do support this new team. I feel badly that Michael had to bow out to make this happen. Brown never saw those CART races with 18 cars 20 years ago
Agree, lot's of the cars on the track, especially on a short track is a problem. But, problems like that is a part of the sport and racing. Look at Monza where they have missed the last run in Q3 a few times, lot's of fun to watch.
One small change I hope they do is increase the points-paying positions. Cars nowadays are so reliable that the fight for lower places is genuine and an 11th place should be acknowledged as being better than a 19th or whatever.
@@Sp4mMe yeah, looking back at old results most of the time the top 8 didn’t even finish. There are multiple races where people scored the only points for a team/driver because everyone else DNF
Also, I know there's a lot of speculation about F1 and Michael, but let's be honest, Andretti also hasn't been super successful in IndyCar lately, FE kinda went the wrong direction last season, and he did also mess up that AI company deal. It might be more than F1 that made the investors want to go a different route.
Wow. So they get a team because of Michael but not with Michael. I've never been a Michael Andretti fan, as a driver, but was hoping for his F1 team. I just went from rooting for this team, to against this team, based on how this is working out. This is really weird.
One of the most interesting things about this to me is how it illuminates Michael and Mario's ultra competitive, complex relationship. Many parents, seeing their son treated so conspicuously and almost shockingly bad in a situation would have nothing to do with them, and if they wanted to use his name tell them to F themselves. How pissed must Michael be at Mario for doing this? They were ULTRA competitive on track and intrateam in CART.. Adrian Newey in his autobiography noted what an odd and super competitive dynamic they had (he race engineered both of them during his early years in Indy cars) and to me, this reveals that remains true, big time. Wow to be a fly on the wall when they first discussed this deal...
My educated prediction for Team Cadillac/Scuderia Cadillac aka the Caddies are as follows: Team Principal: Otmar Szafnauer. The Drivers: Colton Herta and Valtteri Bottas. And the Reserve Driver: Jak Crawford.
was part of it the Andretti will not buy into Sauber and the 250m guarantee Rausing wanted a fee for the team that Andretti seemed willing to pay but also a $50m-a-year guarantee
One thing in the background is that the Volkswagen Audi Group is in _serious_ financial trouble, meaning that the Audi F1 effort is likely to fold before it ever puts a car on track. In that case, this Cadillac team might be needed just to maintain a 20-car field. And 20 is kind of a magic minimum number of cars for F1 to maintain 'legitimacy' as a fully operational series, IMO.
Sauber will be there un badged so long as they can keep Ferrari engines and find sponsors. Right now they are making hand over fist with their shitty stake/kick sponsorship
Audi just flipped part of their investment in Sauber for a huge profit before even taking the grid. If your creative story were true they would just sell the team outright and someone else would pick up from there. No fake drama.
Im curious about this twg group too. Apparently they also have a stake in spire motorsports in cup. So is that an andretti entity? A gainbridge entity? Or a 3rd party altogether. I know andretti wanted to get into cup earlier in the year, but from what i can tell, andretti doesnt officially have anything to do with spire, and that the twg deal there seems to be more of a gainbridge thing rather than andretti. So will we have a gainbridge cadillac f1 team? 🤔 twgs website doesnt answer anything, it pretty much just says "we invest money for clients" lol. Is it just a proxy for andretti? Or are they there on behalf of gainbridge?
Based on what they want, I think the best option would be Sergio Pérez as the experienced vet, as even though he's struggled the last year and a half or so he was the best midfielddriver in F1 for most of the 2010s and will also be one of the most experienced drivers on the entire grid come '26, as well as bringing lots of Mexican sponsors. And for the second seat I'd go with Franco Colapinto: extremely marketable, very talented, will only be 23 in 2026 and already has some experience in F1 from the current Williams stint. This means no US driver per se, but you can solve that by adding someone like Jak Crawford as third driver (if he does well in F2 next year) and develop him for a year or two before putting him in Checo's seat. This assuming he doesn't win F2 next year, case in which just have him paired up with Franco (or Checo if Colapinto gets picked up by RB for next year).
@miketwotwenty They don't. If anything the American drivers need them. And unless one of them steps up right now there's no American deserving of the Cadillac seat.
I think you can pretty much lock in Perez and Herta, if he doesn’t do well, there is also American Jak Crawford whom is currently fifth in F2 points, he will only be 20 in 2026. Perez pays the bills, Crawford has the most experience on non-American tracks over Herta and is younger. Reserve driver is also someone whom pays the bills, probably Zhou since GM has a vested interest in the Chinese market(they own two Chinese car companies), plus there was the amazing scenes and support for him earlier this year when we went there.
Why ???? Is F1 so against the Andretti's. This is a question we need answered. Why such a hard on against them ? Did they do something we have never been told ?? There is something much deeper going on here. To lose and have to walk away from your entire organization and race team ???? What ???? Just to get a team into F1 you lose everything ???????
Nah, I think it all comes down to money, and how much money the brand can pull. In other words, the cadillac brand is a household name; no one knows who the hell andretti is, outside of motorsports.
I think they respect Mario, it’s Michael they have a problem with, from his disaster season where he blamed the team, to his aggressive moves to enter with out any special since up until now GM’s commitment to making an power unit was nebulous. He acted like a big shot.
@@rickyricardo2006I think lot of folks in Europe know Andretti. More than the association of Cadillac within racing. Who again said that Andretti would never get into F1? Can’t remember the name. Sounds personal to me. And of course money. Teams werent exited.
It has got to be a personal reason. F1 probably didn't like how vocal he was about wanting to get in and being denied. I imagine the main reason they changed their mind was the potential of a DOJ Anti-trust investigation. Andretti stepping down was maybe an appeasement in good faith so the current F1 teams don't completely hate Andretti's team
I hope a book does eventually come out, because I'd love to know why a known cheat like 'lifetime-banned' Flavio Briatore is welcomed back with open arms, but Michael Andretti remains beyond the pale. There's got to be more to it than his piss-poor performance at Mclaren in 1993.
F1 management is so stupid. An Andretti F1 team takes F1 to the next level - truly global, which is what they've always wanted. ...but I'm happy to see a Cadillac F1 and am excited about the possibility of more American involvement in F1. Colton Herta in F1. That would be awesome.
@PaperBanjo64 because the Indy 500 is the largest single-day sporting event on the planet, but it shows arrogance on the part of F1 and Liberty Media, but it's under the guise of "sustainability"
With both Ford & GM entering F1 in the next few years, this leaves Chrysler/Dodge as the only one of the "Big 3" American automakers not involved in F1 which is sad to say because I grew up seeing Dodge compete in NASCAR, the NHRA & IMSA as a kid & wanted them to try their hand in open wheel racing in the late 90's & early 2000's. It is highly unlikely that we will ever see Dodge or Chrysler in F1. Heck Dodge trying to re-enter NASCAR a few years ago was a stretch because Stellantis (who owns both Chrysler & Dodge) didn't see the value of having a presence in NASCAR despite Dodge's rich history in the sport particularly with Richard Petty. Stellantis would also probably see Dodge/Chrysler entering F1 as undermining Alfa Romeo's (which they also own) efforts in F1. If it wasn't for Tony Stewart & his NHRA team, Dodge would probably not be in motorsports at all if Stellantis had their way.
Chrysler is owned by Fiat, Ferrari was once owned by Fiat too, they aren't anymore but the entire board of directors at Ferrari are all on the board of directors at Fiat, the two companies while separate are essentially owned by the same people, they will not compete against themselves, so yeah no way in hell you will see a Chrysler F1.
There is another very important angle to this as well. The Agnelli family owns 14% of Stellantis, and also own just under 25% of Ferrari, and are the largest share holders of both companies.
We all have seen that - Penske Motorsports are running the Porsche's "factory" entry in WEC, Chip Ganassi Rasing - Cadillac's, AF Corsa - Ferrari's. Team from Brackley runs Mercedes' F1 factory entry, e.t.c. It's a shame that autosport turns into cyclish business where sponsors just pay teams to carry colours, and not is a test platform to introduce new technology, but it's a reality of the modern automobile industry.
Re: GM potentially ditching Indycar As much as we all hate it, this is where Indycar's Detroit race and Roger tightening that relationship could really pay off. Plus, the counterpoint would be that Indycar is a much smaller spend to showcase a Chevy brand that has a much wider footprint than Cadillac.
I can try to help you a little bit with your assessment. FOM wanted GM ownership, they did not want HAAS 2.0. In FOM eyes and the other 10 shareholders (the other teams) they figured they will only be losing out on prize money rather than increasing it to offset if there was team (franchise 11) The other 10 franchises figure if the 11th franchise is OWNED by GM then it will be done properly. Not owned by Andretti and just funded by GM.
@@helmetculture Correct . F1 has no interest in real racing teams doing real racing. they want global billion dollar manufacturers to participate in their global marketing platform with contrived racing , cookie cutter tracks and reality tv and movie spinoffs
And perhaps someone at GM is also not keen on his antics and this is why he's been sidelined. And it's not just his comments is it? Making it political in the US won't have endeared himself to anyone. Then outside of F1 we've got the matter of Andretti squealing to the FBI about another IndyCar competitor rather than dealing with it inside the IndyCar organisation.
@vitov4643 What did he make political? Try the rejection of their application to join F1. Do you think those Senators who called for and subsequently got an investigation by the DOJ did that off their own bat and without intervention/lobbying by Andretti?
@@I_Evo the FIA approved their application. Liberty Media rejected it. It’s why there’s an investigation into Libertys handling of this process. It’s clearly tampering vs Michael. There’s no coincidence he sells his stake and a month later they’re approved.
@@I_Evo he was approved by the FIA. Liberty media (F1) are the ones who blocked it, which is why they’re now being investigated. I’m not the biggest fan of Michael, but there was clearly some vendetta there.
If you want to get an european opinion, I sugest aidan millward's video, he put a good point, in europe the andretti name is medium size compared to other names in the history of racing, but cadillac? They got a name, and their cars in wec are loved by everyone , v8 goes vroom vroom, so it wasn't only andretti doing the work, cadilac built a reputation and interest in then
F1 has blackballed Michael for over 30 years. A friend of mine has gone around with me on that for most of that time. He's not really denying my claims anymore. Frankly, without him, I couldn't care less about this Cadillac entry other than it'll be nice to have a couple more seats until one of the teams folds again. Andretti did the work and I still remember Cadillac saying it would be with Andretti or nothing. But like everything else, nameless corporations and (mostly) nameless billionaires rule now and get the credit, and their word means jack squat. F1 just stuck the exclamation point on it. I'm disgusted by this.
You should be mad if they instead partnered up with another current team like Williams but they didn’t. They stuck to their guns and stayed the course. You’re crying because the name Andretti isn’t there? Who cares? It’s still a fully fledged American works team with the same plans as before. Crybaby
i havent personally looked/done the math, but i read that colton was 1 point shy of getting his SL, and that the covid rules are soon changing. of course tool F1 could make an exception like they did with 2 drivers this season, but we all know the only thing douchy f1 likes about usa is the $.
F1 is not necessarily against Andretti. They were after GM and TWG money. Andretti Global was not offering much more than what Hass already does. Michael was just a (loud and, to F1 eyes, annoying) intermediary, sacrificed so the grown-ups could do business.
I think this is actually quite clever of both Cadillac and Andretti. They found the loophole to get in. Once they are in, Michael Andretti can come in and do what he set out to do initially.
more car is better or not ,that depend on whats track ,Hungarian gp and Monaco street track not sure more car is better , and pit land is problem for some track, so 11 team is perfect,12 maximum, more team more seat for new drivers, especially for rookie.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd throw Grosjean into one of the cars. He knows the series, he knows the tracks and he'll be able to relay info effectively to improve in the future. Putting a young up and comer in one of the cars could be detrimental in the short term.
I think one more team and one more engine manufacturer should join the F1 grid, BMW or Toyota should come back. They really only race in 2 series so it shouldn't hurt them financially
I know he's a little older now but I've always wanted to see Josef Newgarten in F1. He would probably do okay and be consistent. But really he'd just be a huge villain, like "Mr. All American" thanking the sponsors in the media pen after the race, and now he has the cheating allegations to go with it lol? would be so great haha so incongrous.
Ford is an advertising deal for Red Bull in 2026, they’re not going to be providing the batteries, it’s all completely PR, in much the same way as Alfa Romeo was in F1. I could definitely see Ricciardo looking to replace Herta at Andretti if Herta went to F1.
I'm going to go out on a limb. I wouldn't be surprised if Roger Penske reached out to the F1, FIA , GM , and Cadillac. With no love lost between the two, RP was not going to be outshined by a mere team owner in his series. So after several calls/meetings, the deal was done and Michael was no more. I would love to have enough $ to fund a private detective to do a deep dive. Wonder what Louis Freeh is up to these days?!
Having a team in America seems like a logistical nightmare, and I have a hard time seeing how it can ever be a success; there is a reason all teams are based in Europe because it's the center of the globe.
@@jamesbraun9842A shop, what they gonna sell? Still doesn't make any logistical sense to have their main F1 manufacturing facilitity in the US. A major crash in practice or qualifying at one of the many European or Middle East races it's going to be a real struggle to get replacement parts from the US overnight.
@I_Evo Michael was having a building constructed for his European operation Andretti Global, but now will be utilized by the Cadillac F1 team along with its assets To compare, it's basically the same as Haas, American headquarters, but cars built in Europe. The only thing that comes from Haases base is the pay check for drivmers.
I don’t know if I want herta in F1 or want him to stay in indycar. I feel like if he goes out and wins the championship or 500 next year there is no reason not to do it
Andretti will reveal himself like a Dark Souls boss at the first race in 2026.
I agree... once the team is in F1, he will be back as the CEO of his company.
@@OCinneide Absolutely...Michael isn't going anywhere.
Hopefully herta gets a f1 seat for Cadillac!
I would not be the first time that the rights holders got flipped like that.
Everyone should just call it Andretti. Like Toro Rosso and sauber lol
I cannot imagine Indycar without Michael Andretti.
And Indycar is relevant where outside the US? Nowhere, that nowhere in the rest of the world. why don’t you yanks keep playing on your sandbox and let the grownups do the racing?
We don’t have to imagine it, it’s reality.
Indycar does not have a future
So Michael doesn't have a current day-to-day role in anything... sounds like he's available to become team principal?
Michael stepped down from his company and gave the operations to the founder of Gainbridge control of the team.
He lost his ass on a crypto project and got pushed out of the team. He’s done.
There is something clearly very personal between Michael Andretti & Stefano Dominicalli.
Maffei not domenicali
@@photodave219 not personal. You cannot whine publicly if the family doesn't want you to become a made man.
@@makb_the_strikerthat’s the problem though it’s ran like a cult or mob
@chadbuckley3162 F1 has been running like a mob for 40 years. It's bad, but Michael knew what F1 is, and knew what he was doing. So now he needs to meet the consequences of his decisions.
I really don't get why Michael Andretti is so hated. It's like the F1 team bosses are threatened by him. I bet you more than 95% of fans know the Andretti name and relate into racing than Lawrence Stroll.
I doubt that. And even if they do know the Andretti name it’s more likely going to be Mario rather than Michael especially in Europe.
Thats true but it is a pretty big turnaround from a large group of naysayers. Im glad it’s happening but it really is very politically driven sport.
@@JMTANZO naysayers, objectively Michael had a worse F1 career than Mario.
Really? He publicly called them a bunch of greedy assholes...
Learning F1 with Ayrton Senna as your teamate .. YIKES !!!
Did all the work, none of the credit. Poor Michael.
Maybe he shouldn’t have tried to force his way in.
@@rexthewolf3149How else was he supposed to get in then!? The FOM was really adamant about not letting them in. It took a very real threat of a DOJ Anti-trust investigation for them to budge.
@@rexthewolf3149boo hoo man, it’s racing. Only requirement should be if you have a car and if you’re fast enough
@@jonathansobczak9394 well considering they would have to get an engine. Pissing off the current teams and manufacturers is the best way not have a running car.
@@rexthewolf3149, Andretti did nothing wrong. He was actively boycotted by the other teams over economic protectionism. His harsh words only came after the Andretti bid was blocked by the existing teams.
Michael, like many other team owners as of late, made a deal with the devil and paid the price, the amount of teams owned by investment groups rather than people with racing background is concerning
I wanted an Andretti F1 team so badly. Still don't understand how Andretti Cadillac would have been uncompetitive but Cadillac alone will be.
It has nothing to do with being competitive and everything to do with Michael Andretti being a poor businessman
Don't underestimate the power of Government Motors... Practically a branch of the US government.
Self interest from other teams. Nothing more.
@@mattg9971”A poor businessman”?!? Seems to me he has been a very successful racer, team owner, AND businessman. F1 is a Euro club running on oil money now.
@@SSinister_Grinlol lay off the crack foo
I was an intern at Cosworth when McLaren used the V8 we produced and all I can say is he wasn’t easy to deal with.
I remember he only flew from America to the race weekends overseas. Did little to no testing. No TEAM involvement on his part. No one can expect full time success and accolades with less than part time effort. I’m confident this memory still burns hot in The F1 Community, which is tighter than tight knit. They DON’T forgive, and certainly DON’T forget. He made a mistake. We all do. F1 is a much tougher group to keep happy than your normal group of humans.
There is more to this than meets the eye, Michael has to have done something major to be treated this way, you don't just get forced out like this for no reason.
It was his driving for Mcleran in 1993 and not leaving America and being at the team daily
He lost hundreds of millions of dollars in a crypto company and was forced out.
He beat them and then said “never mind”….
Michael gonna rise from the ashes in 2026 as team principal.
They will probably choose someone else initially with Michael Andretti in an advisory role, the person will quit for undisclosed reasons and promote Michael to the top.
in 1991 there was 31 cars entered the f1 championships, on a Friday morning the newest or slowest teams had to pre-qualify 14 drivers had to fight for 6 places to go forward into qualifying, yes it was a weird position to be in but the grids were full (26 cars) it was better for young drivers to get into f1 and for small teams to try and make a break into the top tier of motorsports, some have become famous for being so bad (andrea moda & Life come to mind) and some were seen for the first time in pre-qualifying (jordan)
somehow F1 was better back then, drivers spoke their mind, team owners did the same, the cars sounded amazing and the drivers had to pass back markers at their own choice as there was no blue flag rule back then!
Yes and then those cars were so uncompetitive in the race that they finished multiple laps behind the big boys.
And not having a blue flag rule is stupid for non endurance or oval racing sports.
You're one lap behind, you're out of it. If you've been slow enough to end up one lap back then there is no way you're getting that lap back. So get out the way and don't annoy the people who are competing at the front.
@@nickklavdianos5136 i disagree, yes they may not have had the best cars but if you don't jump in how you going to learn to swim?
any team you know join and win from day 1? i mean Mercedes can link there beginnings to tyrrell, Red Bull were originally Stewart grand prix!
drivers need low level teams to get there break into the sport i mean both alonso and Webber started with minardi!
as for blue flags well if you so bloody quick you can lap someone then passing them should not be a problem, why should people jump out of their way isn't it there job as the quicker car to find a way past using the skill and speed a leader has!
@@MrDavidfball yes, many teams entered and were pretty competitive from day one. Hell Haas did pretty good from day one when they joined. Meanwhile in the 90s you had teams like Forti or Pacific being way off the pace and embarassing themselves.
So far off the pace that the 2021 Haas would look competitive compared to them. Plus these minnows usually sign pay drivers because they need the money. And more recently, what was really the point of HRT, Caterham and Virgin/Marussia/Manor? Only thing they achieved was giving Narain Karthikeyan more seasons in F1 and getting Bianchi killed.
Also the fact that in all the years those teams were around the only good drivers they brought into the sport were Bianchi, Ricciardo and Ocon (and maybe Wehrlein). Most of the time they gave seats to washed up veterans or pay drivers that didn't deserve to be there.
You said it yourself, the car that's one lap ahead would pass the lapped down car very easily, the only thing the slow car will achieve is annoying the leaders before they get to a straight. Therefore because them getting lapped is an inevitability, it's better if they get out the way and don't annoy the leaders.
And I would love to see how no blue flags would work in a place like Monaco.
@@nickklavdianos5136 haas were only fairly quick in the first season to the car being pretty much a copy of the works ferrari car.
those minnows you spoke of joined after being promised cost caps would be implemented but that never happened screwing them over.
oh and if you wish to see how no blue flags worked at monaco then you have not watched F1 for very long, was never an issue for the likes of Senna, Mansell, Prost etc etc.
after all if they are lapping the same people they have the same job to do
@@MrDavidfball if you've watched F1 for so long you don't need me to tell you that back then the size if the cars was noticeably smaller than today.
"It was never an issue for the likes of Senna, Mansell and Prost". My ass it wasn't.
There's literally a famous overtake where Mansell passed Senna in Hungary for the lead because Senna got held up by a backmarker mid corner and Mansell got a run.
Let's go ask Mansell and Prost if they'd prefer to have blue flags enforced back in their day. I bet they'd like it very much.
There's literally no reason to allow backmarkers to annoy the leaders.
No one gets anything out of it.
Look at Indycar which doesn't have blue flags. The only thing they got out of it was Benjamin Pedersen pissing people off.
Oh and as far as the minnows are concerned, if you haven't got enough money to be competitive, don't join F1. It's literally that simple. F1s history is bustling with idiots that were too full of themselves to realize they had no business being there.
Can you confirm that Herta got a super license? I know Racer and Sports Illustrated reported that he did but their source was a tweet from Herta where he didn't actually outright say that he did, it just sort of sounded like he did but every single other major news outlet denied it. But neither Racer, SI or Herta has ever posted a retraction. So what's the deal? By my reading of the rules and math, he's still 8 or 9 points shy of a super license. It would require some extremely creative interpretation of the covid rules to get him enough points. Of course if he can finish 4th or better in points next year, it doesn't matter.
From people's calculations online, Herta has 32 points currently. He would need to finish at least 4th in next year's Indycar Championship to secure a license, without any out side running (F1 practice sessions, another racing series, etc...)
@@Mr.X2188 That is my calculation as well but like I said, David Land here is now a 4th source claiming he already got his super license (Racer, SI and Herta himself being the other 3).
Herta is not good enough.
That fool is low talent and too old for F1.
@@nilesanders5110he’ll be better in f1 than Indycar herta is a good road racer he’s not the best oval racer just like palou would be better in f1 as well!
Indiana fan. Excited about the news in general. Feel for Michael since he clearly has built so much of this endeavor
Michael sic'd the USDOJ in F1.....They didn't want to talk to Michael, they also didn't want to talk to congress...
F1 won’t give a team to someone who says “my business is racing cars”. That’s the whole story.
half the teams on the grid are nothing but racing car businesses.
@@gizzyguzzionly Williams and Sauber.
random thought- think of Cadillacs in the 1970s. now imagine telling 1970s Mario that Cadillac would have a F1 team, and he would be part of it.
MA to start a new American open wheel series with v8 turbos running methanol , 950hp , multiple chassis , open development and lots of ovals .
Firestone presents the Indycar World Series powered by Ilmor
My thoughts exactly. I cannot see a scenario where the big badges of Chevy and Honda stick around for more than another few years. On the bright side, if it is Ilmore, maybe they can ditch the hybrid.
@@jsembler1the scenario is quite simple - monoseries where car manufacturers re-badge single engine supplier. It's good for business. And BTW the GM is already just rebadging Ilmor engines as "Chevy" 😉
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Like what happens to Champcar in 2007.
While the bolts of the organisation have not changed much, in a sport which requires as much spend as F1, I think the leadership and who the money men are matters a lot. Team owners, CEOs and team principals make a huge difference in F1, and in the Netflix era have become stars in their own right. Considering that, I feel the change of "ownership" from Andretti with some support from GM, to GM owned team operated by TWG (Andretti) is quite important to the "prospects" of the team in future. And almost even more important is Micheal's leadership would probably have not worked in F1, and now with Towriss probably as CEO and a different hired out team principal who will head up trackside operations will also make a huge difference in the prospects of the team.
In addition there is huge prospective value in having GM and all its associate brands in F1, especially outside of the USA. The Andretti brand would only have worked in US, but would be pretty much unknown outside of that. F1 has already seen how Haas have worked out as an "American" team, hence they wanted a proper automaker backed and owned team.
I feel like this was a power move by GM, like they almost said that either we are on the grid 2026 or we are out and not doing a engine or works team project.
GM basically played Thanos and said "fine, I'll do it myself"
More cars. More competition. Better racing
Would love to see team principal Michael Andretti lol. Maybe Kimi Raikkonen is available?
GM:"we got a Formula One team! What did it cost?"
Michael Andretti: "everything"
Overall it’s a good thing. I don’t feel they should go over 22 cars but I do support this new team. I feel badly that Michael had to bow out to make this happen. Brown never saw those CART races with 18 cars 20 years ago
Agree, lot's of the cars on the track, especially on a short track is a problem. But, problems like that is a part of the sport and racing. Look at Monza where they have missed the last run in Q3 a few times, lot's of fun to watch.
Gosh will Indycar please open up the regulations please! Definition of insanity, Roger, DEFINITION OF INSANITY.
I'm happy for the American fans of the sport because it gives you guys another team to get behind, instead of just Haas.
One small change I hope they do is increase the points-paying positions. Cars nowadays are so reliable that the fight for lower places is genuine and an 11th place should be acknowledged as being better than a 19th or whatever.
@@Sp4mMe yeah, looking back at old results most of the time the top 8 didn’t even finish. There are multiple races where people scored the only points for a team/driver because everyone else DNF
Would love to see a small Andretti decal on the car, never gonna happen but would be a classy nod
This is really Sad that Michael will
Not be part of the GM Formula 1 team!
This'll be the 1st truly new F1 team since Haas entered back in 2016
20 cars may not be enough to fill up the F1 track, but it is enough to divide the F1 money to the teams properly.
This story is bound to get even weirder as we go, it's already been bonkers. Happy Thanksgiving, DL!
More teams=more competition
More teams=more sponsors
More sponsors=more investors
End of story.
@@Twinspinner then why are Indy and NASCAR struggling to get major sponsorships despite having more teams.
Quality not quantity
Also, I know there's a lot of speculation about F1 and Michael, but let's be honest, Andretti also hasn't been super successful in IndyCar lately, FE kinda went the wrong direction last season, and he did also mess up that AI company deal. It might be more than F1 that made the investors want to go a different route.
Wow. So they get a team because of Michael but not with Michael. I've never been a Michael Andretti fan, as a driver, but was hoping for his F1 team. I just went from rooting for this team, to against this team, based on how this is working out. This is really weird.
I have a feeling Michael will be back one day
24 car is the magic number for these open wheel series like F1 and Indycar
One of the most interesting things about this to me is how it illuminates Michael and Mario's ultra competitive, complex relationship. Many parents, seeing their son treated so conspicuously and almost shockingly bad in a situation would have nothing to do with them, and if they wanted to use his name tell them to F themselves. How pissed must Michael be at Mario for doing this? They were ULTRA competitive on track and intrateam in CART.. Adrian Newey in his autobiography noted what an odd and super competitive dynamic they had (he race engineered both of them during his early years in Indy cars) and to me, this reveals that remains true, big time. Wow to be a fly on the wall when they first discussed this deal...
Ron Dennis blacklisted Michael Andretti during the 1993 season. F1 has somehow managed to hang on to that all these years.
My educated prediction for Team Cadillac/Scuderia Cadillac aka the Caddies are as follows: Team Principal: Otmar Szafnauer. The Drivers: Colton Herta and Valtteri Bottas. And the Reserve Driver: Jak Crawford.
was part of it the Andretti will not buy into Sauber and the 250m guarantee
Rausing wanted a fee for the team that Andretti seemed willing to pay but also a $50m-a-year guarantee
The Team Owner got involved and the deal fell apart
What will be interesting eill be hertas race for 4th in the championship (which would get the magic 40 super license points)
Man what about one of the Weldon boys. How old will the oldest be by then?
The Las Vegas track is the second longest they run on. Most tracks are significantly shorter.
Checo should drive that car. Mexicans love chevys 🇲🇽
Good idea! He’s a commercial powerhouse and probably a better midfield driver IMO
Considering Alpine decided to be a “customer manufacturer” by running Mercedes engines they had no choice but to allow the entry.
They were already adding Audi and Ford.
Audi bought a team and Ford is sponsoring Red Bull
One thing in the background is that the Volkswagen Audi Group is in _serious_ financial trouble, meaning that the Audi F1 effort is likely to fold before it ever puts a car on track. In that case, this Cadillac team might be needed just to maintain a 20-car field. And 20 is kind of a magic minimum number of cars for F1 to maintain 'legitimacy' as a fully operational series, IMO.
Daimler also not doing well, the German auto sector as a whole is suffering thanks to 'net zero' related policies.
i doubt they would fully pull out that team, they might just sell their share back and stake sauber remains what that team is
Sauber will be there un badged so long as they can keep Ferrari engines and find sponsors.
Right now they are making hand over fist with their shitty stake/kick sponsorship
@@Michael_Lorenson they a) buy in the existed team b) never whined on public about communication with FOG
Audi just flipped part of their investment in Sauber for a huge profit before even taking the grid. If your creative story were true they would just sell the team outright and someone else would pick up from there. No fake drama.
Rick Hendrick needs to have a Indy car team.
I will be calling it Cadillac-Andretti thank you very much.
Im curious about this twg group too. Apparently they also have a stake in spire motorsports in cup. So is that an andretti entity? A gainbridge entity? Or a 3rd party altogether. I know andretti wanted to get into cup earlier in the year, but from what i can tell, andretti doesnt officially have anything to do with spire, and that the twg deal there seems to be more of a gainbridge thing rather than andretti. So will we have a gainbridge cadillac f1 team? 🤔 twgs website doesnt answer anything, it pretty much just says "we invest money for clients" lol. Is it just a proxy for andretti? Or are they there on behalf of gainbridge?
Based on what they want, I think the best option would be Sergio Pérez as the experienced vet, as even though he's struggled the last year and a half or so he was the best midfielddriver in F1 for most of the 2010s and will also be one of the most experienced drivers on the entire grid come '26, as well as bringing lots of Mexican sponsors. And for the second seat I'd go with Franco Colapinto: extremely marketable, very talented, will only be 23 in 2026 and already has some experience in F1 from the current Williams stint.
This means no US driver per se, but you can solve that by adding someone like Jak Crawford as third driver (if he does well in F2 next year) and develop him for a year or two before putting him in Checo's seat. This assuming he doesn't win F2 next year, case in which just have him paired up with Franco (or Checo if Colapinto gets picked up by RB for next year).
Nope Cadillac needs an American driver
@miketwotwenty They don't. If anything the American drivers need them. And unless one of them steps up right now there's no American deserving of the Cadillac seat.
I think you can pretty much lock in Perez and Herta, if he doesn’t do well, there is also American Jak Crawford whom is currently fifth in F2 points, he will only be 20 in 2026. Perez pays the bills, Crawford has the most experience on non-American tracks over Herta and is younger. Reserve driver is also someone whom pays the bills, probably Zhou since GM has a vested interest in the Chinese market(they own two Chinese car companies), plus there was the amazing scenes and support for him earlier this year when we went there.
Thanks.
Why ???? Is F1 so against the Andretti's. This is a question we need answered. Why such a hard on against them ? Did they do something we have never been told ?? There is something much deeper going on here. To lose and have to walk away from your entire organization and race team ???? What ???? Just to get a team into F1 you lose everything ???????
Nah, I think it all comes down to money, and how much money the brand can pull. In other words, the cadillac brand is a household name; no one knows who the hell andretti is, outside of motorsports.
I think they respect Mario, it’s Michael they have a problem with, from his disaster season where he blamed the team, to his aggressive moves to enter with out any special since up until now GM’s commitment to making an power unit was nebulous. He acted like a big shot.
@@rickyricardo2006I think lot of folks in Europe know Andretti. More than the association of Cadillac within racing.
Who again said that Andretti would never get into F1? Can’t remember the name. Sounds personal to me. And of course money. Teams werent exited.
Not them or they, he and him. It's Michael they have a vendetta against, no one else.
It has got to be a personal reason. F1 probably didn't like how vocal he was about wanting to get in and being denied.
I imagine the main reason they changed their mind was the potential of a DOJ Anti-trust investigation. Andretti stepping down was maybe an appeasement in good faith so the current F1 teams don't completely hate Andretti's team
I hope a book does eventually come out, because I'd love to know why a known cheat like 'lifetime-banned' Flavio Briatore is welcomed back with open arms, but Michael Andretti remains beyond the pale.
There's got to be more to it than his piss-poor performance at Mclaren in 1993.
Good luck Andretti Autosport/ Cadilac racing
F1 management is so stupid. An Andretti F1 team takes F1 to the next level - truly global, which is what they've always wanted. ...but I'm happy to see a Cadillac F1 and am excited about the possibility of more American involvement in F1. Colton Herta in F1. That would be awesome.
Hey F1, if you put Colton and Cadillac in F1, I'll buy the TV package, instead of just watching the highlights on TH-cam.
Andretti is a nobody name outside the US. GM, Cadillac is bigger name.
This is a real injustice and I'm a bit disappointed that Cadillac didn't support him more.
I saw that Formula One might be moving the Canadian GP to late May in competition with the Indy 500 and Coke 600
Yeah dumb move if they do that...Indy 500 will always get better North American ratings.
@PaperBanjo64 because the Indy 500 is the largest single-day sporting event on the planet, but it shows arrogance on the part of F1 and Liberty Media, but it's under the guise of "sustainability"
@patrickracer43 F1 overall is bigger but agreed it's arrogant trying to compete with the 500
No competition. Completely different fan base. Minor national series are zero concern for F1.
Here we go again
With both Ford & GM entering F1 in the next few years, this leaves Chrysler/Dodge as the only one of the "Big 3" American automakers not involved in F1 which is sad to say because I grew up seeing Dodge compete in NASCAR, the NHRA & IMSA as a kid & wanted them to try their hand in open wheel racing in the late 90's & early 2000's. It is highly unlikely that we will ever see Dodge or Chrysler in F1. Heck Dodge trying to re-enter NASCAR a few years ago was a stretch because Stellantis (who owns both Chrysler & Dodge) didn't see the value of having a presence in NASCAR despite Dodge's rich history in the sport particularly with Richard Petty. Stellantis would also probably see Dodge/Chrysler entering F1 as undermining Alfa Romeo's (which they also own) efforts in F1. If it wasn't for Tony Stewart & his NHRA team, Dodge would probably not be in motorsports at all if Stellantis had their way.
Chrysler is owned by Fiat, Ferrari was once owned by Fiat too, they aren't anymore but the entire board of directors at Ferrari are all on the board of directors at Fiat, the two companies while separate are essentially owned by the same people, they will not compete against themselves, so yeah no way in hell you will see a Chrysler F1.
@@chrish931 Stellantis owns Chrysler now based in France... They're not doing too good financially.
There is another very important angle to this as well. The Agnelli family owns 14% of Stellantis, and also own just under 25% of Ferrari, and are the largest share holders of both companies.
@@julupani Yeah, it's all convoluted with Stellantis.😂
Dodge is too focused on straight line racing their good at it but they need to expand
We all have seen that - Penske Motorsports are running the Porsche's "factory" entry in WEC, Chip Ganassi Rasing - Cadillac's, AF Corsa - Ferrari's. Team from Brackley runs Mercedes' F1 factory entry, e.t.c. It's a shame that autosport turns into cyclish business where sponsors just pay teams to carry colours, and not is a test platform to introduce new technology, but it's a reality of the modern automobile industry.
Re: GM potentially ditching Indycar
As much as we all hate it, this is where Indycar's Detroit race and Roger tightening that relationship could really pay off. Plus, the counterpoint would be that Indycar is a much smaller spend to showcase a Chevy brand that has a much wider footprint than Cadillac.
So it’s abundantly clear that denying Andretti a team was 100% politics. Id love to see Michael buy his way back in to give F1 a giant F you finger….
I can try to help you a little bit with your assessment.
FOM wanted GM ownership, they did not want HAAS 2.0.
In FOM eyes and the other 10 shareholders (the other teams) they figured they will only be losing out on prize money rather than increasing it to offset if there was team (franchise 11)
The other 10 franchises figure if the 11th franchise is OWNED by GM then it will be done properly. Not owned by Andretti and just funded by GM.
@@helmetculture Correct . F1 has no interest in real racing teams doing real racing. they want global billion dollar manufacturers to participate in their global marketing platform with contrived racing , cookie cutter tracks and reality tv and movie spinoffs
what's clear is, michael unfortunaely thought his shit didn't stink but found it it does.
Doubt too broke to play will ever be back.
2027: Ugo Ugochukwu will be in that car.
My thoughts exactly.
My interest level in an Andretti F1 team? 100
My interest level in just a generic GM team?
Maybe 12
So you’re saying Michael is out because of his comments? Someone at Liberty clearly doesn’t like him.
And perhaps someone at GM is also not keen on his antics and this is why he's been sidelined. And it's not just his comments is it? Making it political in the US won't have endeared himself to anyone. Then outside of F1 we've got the matter of Andretti squealing to the FBI about another IndyCar competitor rather than dealing with it inside the IndyCar organisation.
@@I_Evowhat did he make political? I’m not the biggest Michael fan, but he clearly has some evidence of tampering here.
@vitov4643 What did he make political? Try the rejection of their application to join F1. Do you think those Senators who called for and subsequently got an investigation by the DOJ did that off their own bat and without intervention/lobbying by Andretti?
@@I_Evo the FIA approved their application. Liberty Media rejected it. It’s why there’s an investigation into Libertys handling of this process. It’s clearly tampering vs Michael.
There’s no coincidence he sells his stake and a month later they’re approved.
@@I_Evo he was approved by the FIA. Liberty media (F1) are the ones who blocked it, which is why they’re now being investigated. I’m not the biggest fan of Michael, but there was clearly some vendetta there.
Actually, it is unknown whether or not they will be competitive. I am guessing at first, they won’t be.
This could be Colton Hertas last year in Indycar
Retirement in the horizon, F1 has lapped that fool.
The commentators were saying how there was passing action going on all around the track.
If you want to get an european opinion, I sugest aidan millward's video, he put a good point, in europe the andretti name is medium size compared to other names in the history of racing, but cadillac? They got a name, and their cars in wec are loved by everyone , v8 goes vroom vroom, so it wasn't only andretti doing the work, cadilac built a reputation and interest in then
F1 has blackballed Michael for over 30 years. A friend of mine has gone around with me on that for most of that time. He's not really denying my claims anymore.
Frankly, without him, I couldn't care less about this Cadillac entry other than it'll be nice to have a couple more seats until one of the teams folds again. Andretti did the work and I still remember Cadillac saying it would be with Andretti or nothing. But like everything else, nameless corporations and (mostly) nameless billionaires rule now and get the credit, and their word means jack squat. F1 just stuck the exclamation point on it. I'm disgusted by this.
You should be mad if they instead partnered up with another current team like Williams but they didn’t. They stuck to their guns and stayed the course. You’re crying because the name Andretti isn’t there? Who cares? It’s still a fully fledged American works team with the same plans as before. Crybaby
i havent personally looked/done the math, but i read that colton was 1 point shy of getting his SL, and that the covid rules are soon changing. of course tool F1 could make an exception like they did with 2 drivers this season, but we all know the only thing douchy f1 likes about usa is the $.
F1 is not necessarily against Andretti. They were after GM and TWG money. Andretti Global was not offering much more than what Hass already does. Michael was just a (loud and, to F1 eyes, annoying) intermediary, sacrificed so the grown-ups could do business.
The Cosworth DFV should come back.
ANDRETTI MUST SCARE EM ALL 😂
ALL THE BEST MICHAEL 😊
Let’s go Cadillac, as Americans we finally have a competent team to root for not HAAS
Zapata AI was his downfall
I think this is actually quite clever of both Cadillac and Andretti. They found the loophole to get in. Once they are in, Michael Andretti can come in and do what he set out to do initially.
My prediction: at the first race of the 2026 season, between FP2 and FP3, there is a rebrand to put the Andretti name back on the team.
@@kevinfoote3092 Or, they might keep the Andretti name off the team name, but Andretti branding will be on the car, even as a "sponsor".
No
The fact that he is no longer part of the entire company should say more than just this F1 bit. But people will believe what they want to believe.
I'm surprised Mario would agree to be involved with Michael forced out, doesn't sound like fatherly support.
Makes for awkward Thanksgiving Day discussion.
I am going to lay a bet the organizers or the teams told him what happened
I suspect Mario being there is a nod from Cadillac/GM they appreciate what Michael did
All marketing.
Mario is a smooth operator, unlike Michael. He’s polished and eloquent, and knows how to play the savvy political games.
more car is better or not ,that depend on whats track ,Hungarian gp and Monaco street track not sure more car is better , and pit land is problem for some track, so 11 team is perfect,12 maximum, more team more seat for new drivers, especially for rookie.
I thought Colton was still 1 point shy of a Super License...
soooo... the Indycar team wont be named Andretti Global anymore??
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I'd throw Grosjean into one of the cars. He knows the series, he knows the tracks and he'll be able to relay info effectively to improve in the future. Putting a young up and comer in one of the cars could be detrimental in the short term.
Anything above 24 cars is too much imo. 24 is the sweet spot.
I don't think Colton earned the super license. Did he?
Nope, he lacks the skill set as well.
I think one more team and one more engine manufacturer should join the F1 grid, BMW or Toyota should come back. They really only race in 2 series so it shouldn't hurt them financially
Yeah Toyota with Haas isn't exciting, Toyota supplying a team (perhaps buy into Haas) would be cooler.
@@PaperBanjo64 Toyota wants to take it slowly, last time they went all in it went horribly.
@@rexthewolf3149 I know, hence why I didn't suggest a Toyota team
I know he's a little older now but I've always wanted to see Josef Newgarten in F1. He would probably do okay and be consistent. But really he'd just be a huge villain, like "Mr. All American" thanking the sponsors in the media pen after the race, and now he has the cheating allegations to go with it lol? would be so great haha so incongrous.
An F1 Homelander. It could work! xD
Ford is an advertising deal for Red Bull in 2026, they’re not going to be providing the batteries, it’s all completely PR, in much the same way as Alfa Romeo was in F1. I could definitely see Ricciardo looking to replace Herta at Andretti if Herta went to F1.
Andretti not being in Indy car isn't good for the sport. It sucks!!!
I'm going to go out on a limb. I wouldn't be surprised if Roger Penske reached out to the F1, FIA , GM , and Cadillac. With no love lost between the two, RP was not going to be outshined by a mere team owner in his series. So after several calls/meetings, the deal was done and Michael was no more. I would love to have enough $ to fund a private detective to do a deep dive. Wonder what Louis Freeh is up to these days?!
Need 26 cars in F1 .
Let's be real, I love Mario, but he's 84 years old. Not gonna be around much longer.
Having a team in America seems like a logistical nightmare, and I have a hard time seeing how it can ever be a success; there is a reason all teams are based in Europe because it's the center of the globe.
They're building a shop in Silverstone UK
@@jamesbraun9842A shop, what they gonna sell? Still doesn't make any logistical sense to have their main F1 manufacturing facilitity in the US. A major crash in practice or qualifying at one of the many European or Middle East races it's going to be a real struggle to get replacement parts from the US overnight.
@I_Evo Michael was having a building constructed for his European operation Andretti Global, but now will be utilized by the Cadillac F1 team along with its assets
To compare, it's basically the same as Haas, American headquarters, but cars built in Europe. The only thing that comes from Haases base is the pay check for drivmers.
I don’t know if I want herta in F1 or want him to stay in indycar. I feel like if he goes out and wins the championship or 500 next year there is no reason not to do it
I dont know if he want to go to F1
Doubt he is good enough for F1.
@@ronbelanger4113 he doesnt like it , and is very important when you have to extract the best of you
I was getting very hyped up when this Andretti deal began. Now, it looks like there will be only one F1 team I root for, Ferrari. Same as it ever was.
Without question, the disgusting little club known as formula 1 never forgets...plain and simple, this is an old score being settled.
From this day on, I will root against any team, in any series, that has an association with Gainbridge.