We Found A BRAND NEW AFTERBURNER PCB To Fix Our Arcade Machine With! - SmartyPi Emulator Test
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Thanks for making the video :)
I've made some notes based on your comments and will make a few tweaks here and there to the quick start guide I ship with the boards. Great to hear your feedback during the unbox and setup of the board, you had me laughing big time during a few sections of the vid, very entertaining! and the fact we got your After Burner playing again, this really was the motivation behind the project, to help those with failed or missing game boards, the Sega Super Scaler games of this era aren't easy to repair, and when the Custom IC's fail (usually Audio or Video related) What can you do...My solution is something you can now consider.
Thanks again, smarty.
Thank you Mart we appreciate you watching it, and designing the board! Hopefully we can get another one off of you when you get some more in, take care!
Always great to see old games saved! Great job!
Hey Smarty, I just want to say great work!
Yes , thanks for making these. Will be ordering one for my afterburner and one for my Space Harrier when they become available again 👍🏻
Brilliant work, Martin! And great video. So cool to see these tricky games get extra life. Wonder if there's a Pole Position equivalent.
I am an engineer and this is a cool project. I know it is running as an emulator and not actual original hardware, but if it allows the machine to be saved, that's really cool to me.
I really like this board. It's really nicely laid out, and really well documented on the board itself. I know it's a little techy/geeky, but it's great :)
You're one of the GOOD engineers Brendan :) You use your power for good....... lol
Sometimes the technology no longer exist. Just like replacement pinball machine boards. You do what you have to have a running game
Best unboxing every. Oh look, a dent! from somewhere over the rock of Gibralter.
This guys' humor just kills me every time.
That's a really cool game. Very impressive design by Smarty Pi.
He did a great job.
That's definitely a lot more complicated board than I imagined and whoever did that really knows what they're doing
Many functions were done in hardware. The CPU was not nearly fast enough to handle everything.
I think a lot of the board is just handling the inputs but even that is pretty cool to have a dedicated board we can pop in there...
@@LyonsArcade the raspberry pi has a gpio board that has the joysticks and the buttons and there is a SD card image that contains the software to run the pi as an arcade emulator and they have all of the ROMs for over 4,000 games it may be even more by now and I don't have that image but I would bet it has the afterburner game roms and this is a strip down ROM that has just the afterburner game roms and the software to run the interface board but it is very impressive
In the builds that I've seen they have dozens of wires plugged into the gpio board and dozens more plugged into the raspberry pi in order to make it all work and this eliminates all of that with factory connectors and a board that fits into the original cage
I hope the person who makes these has a business that fabricates other PC boards for other companies because I can't imagine there is enough money in the games that these boards can run
To manufacture the board and the interface boards if you are going to an outside company they're going to want an initial fee for the design and a run of a few thousand boards and that's a lot of money to invest and have these sitting in storage waiting for people to find you to buy them
It's much more likely this person has a company that does PC fabrication and has access to all these parts with the exception of the raspberry pi and the gpio board
Looking at the original board that was a lot of work that the company put into building that machine and it is wild to look at the raspberry pi which is basically a mini computer and see that that little computer and the interface board can replace all of those chips and do it all using software is just wild
Imagine what we are going to have 20 years from now if we are still here and the planet hasn't been destroyed
The robots that can help disable people that can go and answer the door and that can actually go out and unload the vehicle of groceries and put the groceries away and can even get into the car and go to places to do tasks and have self-driving vehicles that go to the different places and have robots there that load the orders into the vehicle as it drives up and gets scanned is not too far off and definitely 20 years we will have that but it can't come soon enough
@Mr Guru That is amazing.
@@ocsrc Actually, I would imagine they used a PCB fab company to make the raw boards, plug in the microcontroller, and leave room for the RPi. Still writing the emulator likely took a lot of work. But yeah, if you want a replica of the original, then yeah, you need companies to do this, and yes, there would likely be order minimums.
On this application, I think there are maybe 4-6 games or so. Ron toggles between them at the end of the video.
I am curious about the strategy used to make the emulator. He could have emulated the original CPU and run the original ROMs, or he could have used native RPi code to do it. The latter would be more efficient but would require more work to make the game work with fidelity to the original.
9:01 Don't know if anyone's answered you, but GPIO means General Purpose Input Output. On something like a Pi, you can move data in and out on individually addressable pins for, well, anything, it's general purpose after all. I think the latest Raspberry Pi has something like 40 GPIO Pins on it.
it's a pin interface
Did you pass out from excitement towards the end?! That was so funny to watch haha 😂
Yes Dis Tew Much
@@LyonsArcade All the blood must have drained from your head 😆
The worst part of After Burner 2 is the part when you get caught by aliens 😆 58:07
Broken? broken? that Afterburner from the start of the video is good enough for some of our downtown operators in the old days... 😅
You could probably operate it in about half the arcades and people wouldn't even know but we STRIVE FOR THE BEST
Ron, I watch these videos just to hear you say "Come on People!!" :) Actually I like everything about ya'lls videos education, saving history, and best of all the keep it simple stupid approach to solving problems. Please keep the videos coming. PS Next time I visit my Air Force buddy in Concord, I hope to come down to see you guys.
Smarty is the freakin' MAN! Nicely done! All good wishes.
Great episode Ron, good to hear the words of wisdom from Joe "It's broke"
He knows
@@LyonsArcade I really enjoy your videos fella. Keep em coming. Love from Sheffield in the UK.
Glad to see the game working again, and the board is an amazing way to bring life to these broken cabinets again.
This is what I was talking about with the raspberry pi and the gpio interface that I didn't know what they were called that you could build an emulator game using this same technology I just didn't realize someone had actually gone to the trouble to build a specific board for just this game
But it's amazing the raspberry pi itself and the fact that people have gone to the trouble to write software that does these amazing things
Nostalgia is a powerful emotion.
Gpio is what those CIA's in your pinball machines do. General purpose inputs and outputs. On a raspberry pi, there is a gpio header. 40-pins, I believe. Geek on, Ron!
Hehehe i had left a comment in the previous video advising you to try the Smarty Pi as a replacement board... Good job Ron ! :)
There were only about 2 people who replied that knew one existed...
That looks like a very high-quality board. We're all very fortunate you were able to get one of these! All good wishes to Mr. Smarty!
This awesome been years since I played this. Now that you know how to fix them I believe you said you had a warehouse full of them you can fix. 😂😂 Great job
I have 5 of them!
Thank you so much for this. I picked up 2 of these units for$100 in ok condition. I love the new board but right now they are out of stock. 1 of the units does not have a monitor so I was going to use a lcd monitor with this board. I am so excited now after watching your video and I cant wait till smarty restocks these! WOOHOO😄
I thought for sure you were going to ( ed norton ) address the instructions. Ron was flopping on the ground like a fish out of water!! Good stuff
Ed Norton was the man!
I'm more of a pinball guy, but this series has been terrific! Great job guys and also to SmartyPi.
"have we revived from the ashes like a phoenix out of the dirt?" switch goes CLICK! C'mon Ron, why you got to do us like that?
Every 8 Minutes, just like T.V.! Thanks for watching Tripplett!
The Raspberry Pi has, depending on the model 40 GPIO pins, which means "General Purpose Input/Output". That's how the microcontroller interacts with the devices you hook up to it. All good wishes, Sean.
That BOARD looks amazing.
I like Smartys attention to detail, even screen printed the routes of the usb cable on the pcb. Pretty classy! Even the detail on the Setup.txt files was Awesome. LOL he actually fell down :)
That's a beautiful freakin' job, Boss! And you should take some credit for putting it together! I couldn't do that. All good wishes.
Still making it work Ron. Good job.
We're trying to keep 'em running :)
Such a great replacement for it man! Ive got 5 or 6 Pole Positions back to life with Jasons Pi Position.. same setup pretty much! Keep it going brother!
Good to see that you got the machine going ... I remember playing this back in the day
Very nice. I like it when you say: "What ever this is..". A real Pro 👍
Hey Ron & Joe
Just wanted to say that I REALLY enjoyed this video. I'm normally a pin guy but this video video was awesome.
Tennyson liked the dog's eye view when Ron passed out, but he liked the chewed up wires the best because, you know, he's a Sheepdog and that's his specialty. 😃
Thanks guys.
Nice one. To be honest I don't see afterburner as a very good game. If you can save it, thats a good thing.
I had this game years ago. Pulled 6 or 7 games from a church basement hump them all out and trailer them home. Paid $250 for the lot and afterburner was one in the pile. I read and heard of these board loosing battery power in these chips and then Game over. Ares worked 100 percent. Great game my kids loved it. Then passed in on people. 😁
I don't think the Sega X Board has a suicide battery.
@@douro20 They do! Although now you can get decrypted ROMs, you can also get a board that re-programs the original Hitachi processor!
😂 26:18 , You got so happy and ready to install it, your count was a little off.
Awesome. I've got After Burner for the NES (the Tengen unlicensed one) and Thunder Blade for the Sega Master System. Didn't know there was an arcade version of the latter.
I think back in that time period almost all those games were Arcade Games too, thanks for watching Graywolf Rob!
Bonus points for finding the controller switch spaghetti disaster and running it anyway. And what, oh, I seem to have an Outrun control panel, abandoned after the PCB went south.
Pretty cool! I've always wanted to get my hands on one of the old cocktail table games and convert it to a MAME cabinet.
Come on PEOPLE. Take your MEDS Ron. Great videos.❤️
That's a really nicely put together set of hardware. Those brits sure are clever. ;o)
they've got it all figured out!
I'm gonna love this video because this is exactly what I hoped you would do ! I wrote yesterday " I dunno, ya got the case and the screen cool flight stick and all that you could bung an emulator in there and run that " because it is 90% there and I hated the thought of it gathering dust. I wondered if you would do it because there are some 'purists' out there that will hate this idea and maybe tell you so, but what they often don't even know is the modern emulators (Raspberry Pie) run the exact same original ROM's that Saga produced ! put simply it's the EXACT same code as the original game byte for byte and you have the controls and even the CRT so this will operate EXACTLY like the original !! nice one Ron, now I'm gonna watch the rest of the video and I do hope the install goes ok...cheers.
Original code on a CRT ....SQUEAKTASTIC !!!!!
Great thumbnail! 😂
Always enjoy your and Donnie’s videos. Good stuff.
Thank you tighematt!
GP10... Holy cow, i love this guy
Pretty awesome job on the board. My only thought would be some 3d printed “caps” for the built in connectors that the expansion board replaces (just so people don’t plug into the wrong ones). You cloud just glue the covers into the bottom of the expansion board so they cover those connectors.
Nicely done! Love saving these classic games!
I enjoy everyone of your videos from up here in Canada. Was is possible to dial down the voltage a bit, or did you just go with the 5.19v?
The power supply that was in there was the original one, we usually replace them with a brand new one... after finishing the video the next day we swapped the power supply, and when I did I noticed there was a voltage adjustment on the right side of it. There was some feedback interference in the monitor that the new power supply fixed, and we adjusted the new one down to 5.1. We usually leave them a little higher just to make up for loss you get through the connectors, etc. Thank you for watching Curtis!
That’s great you got it working. Raspberry Pi are awesome. I have one hooked to a monitor with about 1000 games in it I play all the time
I'm glad it worked!
Oh man that’s awsome! I have a blasteroids pcd custom sound chip failed we need blasteroids board remake! Lol
I've got so many tv repair customers that say HDM11 and HDM12. that's a really nice board. Those heatsinks should be enough cooling. I made a bartop emulation cabinet with the pi 4. Also a 24" video pinball with an android tv box.
I got it right at first but then HDMI0 threw me for a loop. There is absolutely no reason for them to name a consumer device "0" and "1" come on now people that's not right
@@LyonsArcade so strange that they did.
@@piratetv1 Not strange at all, Computer scientists start counting at zero, thought that was common knowledge... ^^
But yeah, on a commercial product, even if addressed to nerds and tinkerers, it is kinda strange...
@@bonzaihb3432 my customers can't see that it's a capital I and not a 1
@@piratetv1 yupp, they should have added a space to make it clearer...
That's awesome that people make these. I know gorf has the custom issue also.
Looks great! Brilliant repair and that interface board is an excellent bit of work. Just wondering if there is any noticeable difference (sound, and video) between running the original board and the emulated version? (Apart from the obvious such as start up banners, additional menus etc)
i'm sure there probably is but none that I could notice, close enough to perfect for me :)
Best one yet.. again.
Thanks Trevor, that's very nice of you to say.
Awesome you got it working and now its a multi game to boot .
Yay ! cool unit
Thank you Vasili!
Fantastic that you didn't give up on this game
Thank you for watching DJConvoy!
academy award performance, we just need Will Smith🤣😂
O, I thought you had to go to the bakery. And buy a raspberry 🥧 pie.
very unique bit of hardware and software
It's good stuff! Thanks for watching Simon!
Very nice that it's working, and "better" than ever.
There are some that'll be upset over the "purity' of the arcade not being used in lieu of an emulation board, but it's certainly an alternative.
Another aside, the Z80 processor is sometimes suspect on some other repair videos I've seen. It seems like all the sounds that weren't playing were all digital audio sounds, so that part of the board might need repair. Also, a bench power supply might go a ways to help you diagnose problems, such that you can hook into where power is supplied and bring it up outside of the cabinet.
What's going to happen to the original PCB?
This is awesome, I have a non working afterburner myself that I’ll have to buy this for. Too bad they’re sold out right now but I hope to get one when they’re available again. How much are they? No price on the website….
I think it was about 200 pounds
JOE is a man of many words. IT'S BROKE.❤️
Could put a raspberry pi on there and make a multi game cabinet. But for your purposes amazing board. People like Smarty pi are awesome
I meant retropie
How many games use those same controls? This one is pretty cool because it just plugs in.
If you have an adapter for other controls
Old zip ties can be a big source of frustration. I had one that broke from age/heat in my Commodore SX-64. It dropped a bundle of wires right onto the back of the 5" monitor and they melted through almost instantly.
Lol! You are too funny . We are so happy it works!!
Anyone critical of the engineering, needs to step-up or shut up. It's easy to sit back and snipe at those that, actually, do the work. I think this is an amazing project that will help resurrect a ton of classic games.
Preach!
And there it is.......
They were genius pioneers. Anyone not smart enough to realize that isn't worth acknowledging.
Pretty cool Ron!
Love the video
Thank you James!
Awesome, I'm glad there was a solution for this awesome game
Hi Joe,
In that sound circuit, you have some 4066, analogue switch IC’s, I have had lots of these fail, partially fail or go noisy, it’s worth getting some and trying, they are cheap (they are designed for switching between audio sources etc)!
Regards,
Tony
We went from Mr Guru fixed a dozen to he's fixed hundreds in 1 day, that's impressive.
Mr. Guru if it makes you feel better, I sold the board to a repair guy in California who let me know he repaired it by swapping the custom chip. I'll tell him you're convinced he's wrong though next time I talk to him, you've had hundreds with this exact issue, and I "gave up". Guys like you are the reason nobody likes engineers, you're an asshole.
@@LyonsArcade c'mon people
All I was saying is that when I have come across 4066 in audio circuits that are faulty, in my 39 years working in a Nuclear Power Station as a senior engineer, some of the time it has been the 4066’s that were the problem, a bit like Joe with LM324’s.
Just trying to be helpful, what’s your excuse for being abusive!
Perhaps he should had designed it to use a Raspberry Pi CM4. There are actually a few modern arcade games which use Compute Modules.
Was the Medusa series ended? I thought there were more videos to come, did I miss something? Or did I once again slip into another dimension without noticing? Confusion.
it was such a large series we took a break from it so people wouldn't get bored with it but the last couple video's will be coming out soon!
@@LyonsArcade Ok, thanks, I was confused because you usually don't mix up videos. I am old, I can't handle change :D
I knew you would fix that one! 😀
How'd you know????
This must use MAME PC emulator. Not that hard, but this is a high quality integration of off the shelf components.
Great fix as normal only in two video's
Thank you for watching Mark!
Excellent video as always. Just a thought on the board mounting, is it possible to attach the board extenders on the other end of the smartypi board (nearest to the filter board), this would move it back and leave more room for the cables etc.
I tried that but the way they're made half of them don't have an adjustment, so you can only put them one way and by doing that the piece pushes underneath it in a weird way, this was the best way I could get it on and not short anything out :)
My Favorite arcade game, I have an upright as well and it needs some TLC.. I need to zero the flightstick and I am missing the label or sticker on the throttle control. Overall though its in good shape.
I look forward to the day that something like this is done with FPGAs for perfect accuracy.
That is so cool thanx for sharing !
I feel sorry for anyone that has never felt that alsome feeling when a person has work and figured and worked and figured and then it works.
Preach it Redneck Ways!
So awesome!! Just curious, is there a reason why smarty doesn’t include the raspberry pi?
I don't know for sure but I assume it's because it's kind of aimed at techies and they probably already have a Pi 4...
Hi Gregg, have you tried to buy a Pi4 in the last 18 months? There’s very limited supply of them globally. My initial plan was to ship all units with a Pi. If I could buy 200 in one go I would. It’s just not possible for the foreseeable future.
How many of those old Baily or Midway games use the same board with just a different rom chip? Several years ago I set up a raspberry pi3 with a retro pi image to play all of these old games. If this company does this style of machine, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a do-all board for those as well.
There were a few that were similar but they usually didn't use the exact same board, but very similar ones for sure. In an instance like this what's more important is how many had the same controls!
I am now wondering as I'm watching this if this isn't the actual raspberry pi that you could load the 2001 game image and have it connected up to the standard joystick and button configuration on a universal board and run all of the games off that raspberry pi
What would be truly awesome is if there was an option for just running the afterburner or for entering the 2001 game emulator to play all of the old school 8-bit and 16-bit arcade games
Hey Ron!!
Hey Jason
So nice!
Great video!
im english i it aint srange. them dudes are. still lovin it
so awsome!
It's pretty cool!
Keep saving 'em my man.. Nice work as always!👏👏👏
Thank you for watching Rene!
It's beautiful 😍❤️😍❤️😍
I got one in my outrun, you can play other games too.
Yeah it looks like an Outrun it really makes pretty cool with a lot of other games...
GPIO is just "General Purpose I/O." Those are the lines on the controller.
I assume the other module on the board is an FPGA board. That is like a blank slate for logic designs, and there is a ROM that contains the netlist that defines your logic. So one would use the developer's suite for whatever FPGA, make your design, "compile" it, and it writes it to the small ROM so it is there in the future. FPGAs and microcontrollers have GPIO lines that are defined in the netlist or emulation software. In this case, I guess the RPi does all the work and the FPGA board it attaches to is what converts and distributes the signals to the board. So I guess that board is a bridge of sorts with custom logic to make the cabinet work with the RPi.
Looking up the CPU on the RPi 4B, yes, the memory sizes affect the price. The 3 varieties in terms of memory average about $35/$55/$75 in cost. It uses a quad-core ARM Cortex A72 @1.5-1.8 GHz. There seems to be no 4A, just the 4B. There are the A series and the B series, and the B series has Ethernet on it. I can't imagine you'd need Ethernet for this application. I imagine if a 4A were to exist, it might work for this. However, it doesn't. So apparently you need version 4 due to the CPU used. Otherwise, it would use the ARM Cortex A53. The lowest memory variation is not made anymore.
Now, ARM doesn't actually make the ARM CPUs from what I understand. It is just a licensed specification, and 3rd-party manufacturers make their own variations. In this case, Broadcom makes it. I imagine the 4B is needed for your use because of the changes in how interrupts work as opposed to previous versions of the Broadcom SOC that contains the A72 CPU. Plus the 4B has triple the performance of version 3 RPi, and it adds the Neon math extensions. That is impressive, being able to do 16 complex math calculations at the same time.
It is neat what can be done with the RPi. I think there is an accelerator for the Amiga which uses it, and it plugs into the 68000 (or whatever) socket and gives 68040 support, with the FPU too, even if such an arrangement cannot ordinarily fit in the socket. So Amiga games that would otherwise be out of the question to run work with the RPi 68040 emulator installed. Oh, things like the Amiga Wolfenstein 3D port work with the stock machine but are painfully slow, yet adding the Raspberry Pi-based emulator makes it run as good as or better than the PC version.
While hardware purists would have a problem using an RPi board in a case like this, sometimes, that's what you must do, and it is amazing that such a system board exists for this machine. And believe it or not, the old board can likely be repaired at some point, though you'd need someone to change the custom chip for you. That just takes specialized equipment and skills. Things like a flow oven, a heat gun, and drag soldering techniques are some of what is needed. The special chip is available from China, and I haven't heard of anyone running into counterfeits of those.
I don't know why this was removed, but I appreciated the comment:
Mr Guru replied: "No, the other little blue board is an Arduino mini pro. About 2 bucks on ebay."
I got to thinking later that this was just a microcontroller.
What still astounds me is that slim board replaces 30 years worth of that larger board's technology.
I suspect that the SmartyPI and Raspberry Pi is an emulator (similar to a PC or Mac running MAME) and the interface modifies it to run at 15Khz video, and work with the original I/O buttons, coin inputs, lamps, and other original parts.
uno, dos, tres, cinco? what happened to cuatro ? lol jk
That's awesome 👍😎
Thanks for watching James!
Good thing is it could save a rare game that is nearly impossible to find a working board. Bad thing is if you go to the website there sold out of everything in there store.😢
genious‼️®™️🔥🔥
I would guess that the reason for the extra plugs and green board is because the original red board connectors for Outrun are wired differently than those for Afterburner. If that is true, the engineer could have used a a simple adapter cable. I wonder if it was a cost issue...
I don't blame you for not wanting to desolder and replace a 100-pin surface mount chip. That is a genuine pita.
Also, as a reward for fixing this awesome game, I'll leave you with this: th-cam.com/video/RX73Hxpsmw0/w-d-xo.html
The main issue with the surface mount chip is it's a custom chip, i.e., you can't get one to replace it with. Sega stopped making them about 1989....
Morning U All.
Hello Dano!
Someone took fly-by-wire too seriously.
Ate 'em right up :) We got it fixed though!
Gee Pee I Oh, GPIO = General Purpose Input Output, Can be customized to send and receive input output on each pin. Think of it as a Serial Interface with extra channels but all customizable.
Come on people...stop trying to doxx Smarty!
I could tell they were trying to do it