saying "you can immitate but not duplicate" like what does that mean? basically they're saying na ang pagiging magulang ay pagiging ama at ina lang? then they're already violating the fact that there's single parents, grandparents/or siblings rasing a child exist?
Same thought when I heard that dumb line. They are just opposing the side not merely thinking that single parents or other na nag aalaga sa mga bata for example nawalan ng father figure or even iniwan ng magulang so in that case they should not focus the idea of not duplicating sa pagiging guardian ng bata, kasi lahat pwedeng mag-alaga regardless of what gender.
@@cristianjaytrinidad4554 agree, napaka insensitive sa point na di nila inisip na may mga bstang inabandona and naiwan sa isang magulang. Nakakadismaya, kesyo puro sila religion. Grr
@@reiireiwiththedoublei7093 yes, isa rin yan. Wala silang respect sa other parties, which is over for them. Dun palang napakadefensive at wala nang sense mga sinasabi nila.
both straight and non-straight people can obviously tell if a person is homophobic. so why can't heterosexual people judge if an individual is homophobic and a non-straight person can? for instance, an individual discriminating a homosexual because of their sexuality. isn't that homophobic?
@@eve3521 hetero people have not experienced the discrimination that hetero people inflicted on homosexuals, the context of this comment was in that straight people are deciding the actions that they do to homosexuals and dictating how they should feel about.
This must have been hard to hear for the gay student during this time period. Hearing people debate if you ever deserve your rights is absolutely nerve wrecking. Here are my stands for this. 1. Homosexuality was actually observed within 1,500 species yet homophobia occurs only in one-humans. To say that same sex marriage is against nature is very contradicting to what nature is actually showing. Nature itself displays homosexual behavior. 2. Many ancient nations, including pre-colonial Philippines, was actually supportive of gay and queer people where many cultures depict third and other genders. In pre-colonial Philippines, effeminate men are respected and treated equally like any other citizens. Some of them are priests, called Asogs/Bayoguin, which are male babaylans who dress with female garb, marry other men, have carnal knowledge, and act as women. Ancient Greece, Rome, Japan, and other ancient civilizations are observed with homosexual practices as well. It was until these nations were westernized and turned these culture as somehow bad and demonic. 3. Without the right to marry, same sex couples can't have the right to sue and make medical decision for their partners as well. Hypothetically, if their partners were killed/diagnosed they can't make decisions for them! It'll be hard because they cant give their partners justice or they might just watch their partners die in front of them. 4. It just triggers me hearing them say "You can't make a moral wrong a civil right." How do you define moral? If that moral excludes people and develops micro aggressions, I think its not. Is it moral when someone dies without further justice just because no one can make decisions for them? Is it still moral? I question your morals then. 5. Now, family. To say that a same sex family can't provide the needs of child is utterly wrong. How can you say so? Have you seen one, been in one? Same sex couples can actually help the children in orphanages, which heterosexual couples abandoned. I think, same sex couples can even give more love for they would never want their children grown up the way they grow up. Philippines is not a gay friendly country! Check your prejudices and biases. 6. The opposition stated that state and church sould be separated but they kept on leaning on the ideas of the church. That is religious bias. You cant tell someone how to live just because of your religion. Para mo na ring sinabing bawal silang kumain dahil nagdyedyeta ka. Sounds stupid, right? Queer people have been waiting for this to pass. Change is constant and our country needs to change. Philippines would be more progressive if ever same sex marriage would pass. Lets be open minded. The LGBTQ+ people are here, the exist, they are humans, and they deserve their rights.
Thank you for explaining deeply! and for the support for LGBTQ+ COMMUNITY. They need to see this and understand the point. I hope the people might recognize it. Spread love! 🏳️🌈 and keep safe y'all!
12:06 tbh, a same sex couple can provided the same love and affectionate towards a child and to each other than a straight couple. in some tendencies, an even deeper love and meaning too.
Agree. I don't understand some religious or conservatives when they were saying gay people only know sex while implying straight people know love. I mean most criminals convicted of rape, sexual harassment, child marriage, grooming, and prostitution are straight men but we cannot generalize straight men even though they dominate the prison. If all gay people are only for sex, then we would not have fought for same-sex marriage since it's legal here to have consensual gay sex to anyone. Yet, I know most gay relationships outlast straight relationships. Now they are willing to build a family yet the state law doesn't allow it that's why we need legalization.
Based on my experience and observation about this topic debaters should not used religious stand inorder to protect their side .. it should be fair to call it fair fight .. so sick of those arguments about bible verse✍️
Jay-Ar Marcial: Where did laws for the Philippines originate from? Originally, about 7,000 years ago, they came from God, our Heavenly Father. It started with the "10 Commandments" and grew from there for Westernized Judeo-Christian nations (of which the Philippines is one of them). Islam, a corrupted form of Judaism, also had its laws originate from Judaism (from a perverted rich merchant, a sexually deviant, a child molester and rapist, a warrior against non-Muslims, and a slave owner known as Muhammad). Therefore a debate should not limit itself to only legality. A debater can speak whatever he wishes in order to get his point across. If mentioning Bible verses is needed for the debate, so be it.
"Hindi pwedeng palitan Ng tomboy Ang title Ng isang ama" So parang sinabi narin no kuya na... Hindi kayang iparamdam Ng isang single mother Ang pagtatangol at pagtataguyod Ng isang ama sa kanyang anak dahil Lang sa siya ay isang babae. Bilang produkto n isang broken family my big brother is the one who stand as our mother and as a father. Kahit sabihin nila na kapatid ko Ang mga kuya at ate ko walang pinag kaiba Yung nararamdaman ko sa pagaalaga nila sa Amin Ng mga kapatid ko sa sa pagaalaga na ipinaramdam Ng mga magulang ko nung panahon na buo pa kami.
@@aidafrancisco8196 hahahah make semse yung ina hinde kayang mag paka ina at ama nnhinde kaya obligasyun yung tomboy n kaya both tingin sino titignan ng diyos mo n mabuti hahahaha
@@aidafrancisco8196 yes, produkto ng diyos pero hindi perpekto. Madaming tao na mas diretso pa sa poste ang kasarian pero kapag nakipagtalik sa isat isa at nakagawa ng anak. Ung iba diyan basta basta nalang itatapon o ipapa ampon, kaya mga bakla na gusto magka anak para sakanila ay inaampon ang mga musmos na iniwan ng lalaki at babaeng kanilang magulang at nagawang iwanan dahil sa takot pero di natakot sa kaparusahan ng diyos. Sino ang mas demonyo?
I'm so proud of this comment section. This proves that our society is improving in terms of critical thinking. I expected the comment section to be filled with religious accounts which are fallacious arguments. Keep it up Pilipens... P.S. Natawa ako sa procreation na part XD. Hindi naman sa needed natin ang population control but bruh, implementation of gay marriage doesn't necessarily result in population decline... And a lot of irresponsible citizens are actually partaking in your so-called "pro-creation" and ends up having their babies abandoned or aborted. The gay community can help these unprepared parents to foster their child in the most legitimate way. Can't you see how objectively beneficial we are in the community? And please to someone homophobic reading this, erase your prejudice towards our competence in raising children, because as far as I am concerned, gay couples plan ahead of time when building a family cause it's a very big deal to them. This trait is rarely seen on straight couples nowadays.
Same sex relationship is different from same sex marriage. If the purpose of marriage is to unite two lovers and raise children, then same sex couples don't give their children the privilege to grow in a moral environment.
@@rapid123ful I'm not quite sure whether this argument is pro or anti. Pro: same sex couples don't give their children the privilege to grow in a moral environment because they are not legally married? therefore we really must implement gay marriage; or Con: same sex couples don't give their children the privilege to grow in a moral environment because their relationship does offend your "archaic spiritual beliefs". Either way, concluding that "same sex couples don't give their children the privilege to grow in a moral environment" is a hasty generalization since there is no objective ways of measuring a moral environment and kids morality. As far as observation goes, Kids born with same-sex parents are more tolerant and less degrading/discriminating to their fellow citizens because they themselves are subject to such humiliations.
The Divine God has never ever been restricted by a religion, and God is not a religion but He is the creator, and He is Sovereign to all Humanity and He is the creator of Marriage. Equality is for all but don't forget God and what is the original design of God to Humanity, Marriage and Family. (Look Genesis 2)
In this world.. there’s a personality and attributes that is commonly associated to a Man and Woman.. but it doesn’t mean that your sex different and you have the right to change the definition of things. Hindi porket ang hilig mong kilos ay pambabae.. ibig sabihin babae ka na, hindi porket ang kilos mo ay pang lalaki ay lalaki ka na. At hindi rin sapat na dahilan yung kagustuhan na pag mamahal para baguhin ang katotohanan. Please stop using the anti gay or homophobe.. it’s just people who are telling the truth and keeping in check that you LGBT must be open up to reality and let go of your ego that you can dictate or change what you supposed to be. See and live the world as they are.. not what you want to insist it to be. Dahil hindi tao kalaban niyo kundi katotohanan. Also you can always act the way you want to be but please stop twisting the truth.
Same Sex Marriage not only breaks the stigma but also ratifies the union of the same sex couple. Marriage are usually evidence unions of couple to legalize their relationship and avail the perks and restrictions of law when involved in one. One example is conjugal property, when people get married the properties they bear or have will be shared between them. Also, when it comes to tax optimization wedded couples may list their partner as a dependent. Those are perks of hetero couples that cannot be available to same sex couple because the law prohibits them. Laws are supposed to protect its people and promote equal and general welfare that's why amendments can be made and we have our senate, the government in general to ratify that. Philippines has been colonized by Spaniards and their damage to our society is extremely observable. Same sex marriage does not compromise your religion, men and women can still be married. And do not use the law as the definite reason to prove your standpoint because laws can be amended and adjusted to people. Addition, the law implicitly allows a person to kill their cheating partner when caught in act. Moral wrong cannot be a civil right, remember?
Wala ba talagang tinatapakang tao.. kahit binabago naman ang katotohanan? Wala daw tinatapakang tao pero pinipilit naman ay kasinungalingan na malaya silang pumili ng kasariaan na gusto nila.. wala daw tinatapakang tao pero tatawaging close minded at homophobic ang mga taong di tinatanggap ang kasinungalingan? Ang point is di excuse ang pagmamahalan para iaccept kung ano ang immoral at kasinungalingan..ano yun porket nagmamahalan okay ng ijustify kahit against sa biological aspect nila.
@@Ccm2019 Yup. Wag ipilit ang hindi biological. Tulad ng religion. Walang animal na may religion pero pinipilit ng ibang tao na ipilit sa ibang tao ang religion nila. Di ba napakaimoral non? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂
Hanga ako sa naging talakayan ng dalawang panig dahil nagamit nila yung mga impormasyon na hawak nila ng tama. Gusto ko lang din sabihin na natuwa ako sa mga argumento nila dahil mapapaisip talaga yung mga manonood do'n sa mga sinasabi nila. May mga oras lang talaga na nahihinaan ako sa argumento ng mga nasa di-pabor-kagaya na nung sa binabanggit nilang procreation - na ang essence ng kasal ay para magprocreate. Kaya natuwa ako noong nabanggit ni kuyang nasa pabor na panig 'yung mga taong baog. Overall, ang galing nila!!
Separation when it comes to duties, pero ung religion spiritual yan kaya kahit pa separated kung ikaw mismo naniniwala na may Diyos susunod ka pa din sa teachings ng simbahan, yun nga lang di pupuwedeng makialam sa mga external o internal problems ng gobyerno ang simbahan, kaya lang naman nagkaroon ng separation ang church at govt.specially rito sa pinas kasi sa history ginagamit ng mga priests ang gobyerno para magawa nila at maibigay sa kanila ang mga gusto nila kaya may naaabuso but when it comes to duties magkaiba spiritual ang sa church tandaan mo yan.
spiritual k pa nalalaman. eh if people followed your line of thought pwede magdagdag ng kahit ano church kasi napakageneral ng spiritual. besides kung spiritual or not it would have been written in the constitution already.
@@forcedbreedingsociety8907 Kahit pa isulat o hindi sa constitution kung ang lalaki ay para sa babae at ang babae ay para sa lalaki yun pa din yun, tigil tigilan niyo ka immoralan niyo kung ayaw mo maniwala sa bible convert ka bhudism, hinduism, islam etc. para malaya ka magawa ka immoralan niyo!
everyone did great. some of them may have said wrong arguments at some point, but overall still great. not everyone can do what they did. these people don't deserve to be called names. we can never agree in everything, we can only respect and accept, that we all have different beliefs.
In terms of stats, there's another way to analyze it. We have to consider as to whether or not the survey respondents are actually knowledgeable about same sex marriage? What about the sogie bill? You see, before we can come up with a sensible response, we have to be enlightened first about the issue/concern that we're dealing with. Apparently, that's not the case in the Philippines.
Mahusay ang pag sasagawa ng kanilang debate, nagamit nila ng maayos ang mga impormasyon at naisabi din ito sa magandang paraan, na hindi nakakasakit na paraan, ngunit, may punto kung saan may nagbanggit sila ng isang relihiyosong pahayag, sa pormal na debate ay hindi pwede iyon. Iyon lamang, magaling kayo!!
btw guys, tolerating lgbtq doesn't make you less straight, because that's the way u think and we feel na may mali talaga regarding sa law and religion.
@@yascircuit4036 Well kung taliwas talaga sa paniniwala nila, tolerance lang talaga makukuha mula sa kanila. We can’t control that. Pero ibang usapan kapag naapakan na yung karapatan mo.
eversince the law addresses the problems or issues faced by each individual and its giving a person the right to have a good and peaceful life,by bringing a topic or a subject that connects with a law then be assured that not only your opinion will be not only your opinion will be the right answer because the law has many bases such as discussing about human rights,which LGBTQ+ also have this rights
Magaling ang pag sasagawa ng kanilang debate, nagamit nila ng maayos ang mga impormasyon at naisabi din ito sa magandang paraan, na hindi nakakasakit na paraan. Pero may parte na medyo hindi maayos ang pagkakasabi sa aking pagkakaintindi lamang. Mahusay ang dalawang panig na grupo.
Well in my own opinon we can't please everyone to understand your own opinion, the only thing I know that all of us should follow is the seperation of church and the states
@@donatopotongjr3089 If we follow the line of thinking of these people who is in favor of same sex marriage because of the doctrine of Separation of State and Church then lumalabas po pde na legalized ng gobyerno ang abortion. See how cruel and how selfish these people are. Pati incest or pag aasawa ng mga magkaka anak pde na din kasi sinasabi nila separation daw ng church and State. Good point sir.
@@lb811uable The states must support their policymaking with "CONVINCING SECULAR EXPLANATION" not with religious morality as it goes against the separation of Church and State. Convincing Secular Explanation includes; 1. Cultural 2. Historical 3. Human Rights Consideration 4. Logic 5. Science 6. Math 7. Foreign courts interpretation So the action is prohibited because THERE IS A CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCR that it brought danger to the society not because it is different and against your belief. Murder is illegal not because the Church 10 commandments said it but because of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states that "All individuals are born equal and free." Bible is not the basis for policymaking. Secular explanation is the basis. If you use the bible without convincing secular evidence, you're forcinh other people not believing in the bible to follow an act coming from the bible which is against the religious freedom. Secularism accomodates diverse people with diverse background
Hanga ako sa pinakita na kagalingan na ipinakita ng dalawang grupo. Naging maayos at naiintindihan ang kinalabasan ng kanilang debate. Napatunayan ng dalawang grupo ang stand nila ukol sa Same Sex Marriage. Ngunit, ako ay naguguluhan sa parte na kung saan nagbigay ng mga religious statement ang against na grupo. Sa aking palagay, ang debate ay hindi dapat hinahaluan ng religious beliefs. Iyon lang naman ang aking pananaw.
"cannot turn a moral wrong into a civil right" what... how can love be morally wrong. loving isnt morally wrong but when it turns that its a same sex love then it is wrong? how? because of a book? no offense intended.
Well what I think they mean about moral wrong is not to love, but what kind of love that is. Loving is not morally wrong, but what about someone love to kill? We know it's not right to kill but if you love doing it does it make killing right? What I think of their point is that loving a person that violates basic biology is unnatural so it's called morally wrong.
21:53 No annulment its not all about if you're a victim of harassment its all about love.if you doesn't love the person you devorce with it.there are people who have been victims of harassment but have not been annulled because they still love each other
What lgbtq wants, isn't just a marriage of the feelings towards each other andthe feeling of being married. LGBTQ wants a deeper meaning of being married. It is to be recognized as a legal partner by all means. Hope you understand that it isn't just for the kilig. Karapatan sa lahat ng bagay katulad ng mag asawang lalaki at babae. Make sense.
We are a very religious Catholic country, but since you want rights and acceptance we have to adjust for you guys, so tinanggap namin kayo, but shoving it to our face, shoving it to the face of our children by legalizing same sex marriage is ridiculous It's fine if you are proud of your sexuality but why should we be proud of your sexuality
@@nimpsonkinkson1924 kung di mo naintindihan sunabi ipapaliwanag ko sayo, Siguro naman aware ka na religious christian country ang pilipinas, pero inaaccept na rin natin Silang mga LGBTQ, kaya Nga naglipana Sila sa Daan ea, pero legalizing same sex marriage is too much, imagine makikita Ng anak mo na Yung dalawang lalaki kinakasal at iisipin nila na walang pinagkaiba ang same sex marriage at kinasal sa simabhan, iisipin nila na tama at normal lang Yun?
@@victorvaliente2559 The point of accepting LGBTQ people is to normalize yung identity ng pagiging LGBTQ at ituring sila bilang mga tao, so bakit parang sa tingin mo galing sa ibang planeta yung mga ganong tao? We are only really a religious country by name or when it suits someone's argument, like yours for example, so hindi reason yang pagiging katoliko para maging against sa concept of same sex marriage.
@@victorvaliente2559 And yes, tama at normal naman talaga yung same sex marriage at wala naman mali dun kung hindi naman kayo sapilitang iniimbita o hinihila papunta sa kasal nila, hindi po sobrang mangmang ang mga kabataan na hindi nila madidistinguish ang same sex sa "traditional", at kung ikakalaki nila yung makikita nila na mga ganyang bagay, masmagiging open minded sila because "accepting LGBTQ" is not just solely about normalizing other orientations, it's about accepting na okay lang maging bakla, tomboy, etc. sa ating bansa.
According to Science, nothing is wrong with being not "heterosexual". It is totally fine and is observable hindi lang sa ating mga tao, pati na rin sa iba pang mga animals. The Philippines is tuck in this archaic "norms" that we've forcefully adopted due to the harsh way these ideologies were imposed.
The “believer” will tell you that being gay is a choice, so Gawd didn’t make them that way. Neuroscience seems to tell us a different story. People are in fact born with homosexual tendencies. It is also seen in other animals as well, in roughly the same percentages too. So being gay is “normal”; it is “natural.” Now the believer will assert that humans aren’t animals, but phylogenetics seems to tell us a different story… It comes down to what you trust more: modern science, the same science that you trust when you board an airplane or take medicine… or some bronze age tale written by people who showed no compunction for killing others because they worshipped a different god.
@@lolololgii754 Ang Funny nila. Being religious is a choice and everyone has the freedom whether to choose or not choose a religion (Article III, Section 5 of 1987 Constitution). Their ignorance thinks that homosexuality never exists but when they learn about its natural occurrence in other animals, they will eventually tell that we are not animals. Technically, we belong to the animal kingdom right? Kingdom: Animalia, Phylum: Chordata Subphylum: Vertebrates Class: Mammalia Order: Primates Suborder: Haplorhini Infraorder: Simiiformes Family: Hominidae Subfamily: Homininae Tribe: Homini Genus: Homo Species: Sapiens Sapiens
I think his stand is, you can't ALWAYS accept all forms of love. Kasi parang un ung point nung mga PRO. Kaya ung rebuttal nung nga AGAINST is hindi lahat ng love acceptable. BTW, meron talagang magkakamag-anak na sila2 mismo nag-aasawa. Some clans are normalizing it.
@@akuay8883 It's actually a strawman or red herring fallacy. You inserted new topic that's not even comparable or relevant to same sex marriage. They attacked the something that's not even the point of pro.
Miss ko na yung nag ddebate kuno kami ng mga kaibigan ko about aliens, sino ang mas gwapo, etc. Tapos pa english2x pa kami, gumagawa-gawa lang kami ng mga 'proofs' hahahaha, basta feel na feel namin ang galing na namin hahahah. Pero siyempre nangyayari lang to tuwing recess or after class🤣
Yes. First, rules/laws shouldn't remain consistent because we live in changing times. What may be applicable in the past may not be applicable at present. For example, punishment during the ancient times were "barbaric," unlike today. Now we don't want that do we? Second, as we are informed our consciousness of social constructs also changes. Thus, we are led to the changing definitions of ideas like "family" and what constitute it. Typically, we are made to think that a family is composed of a mother, a father, and their child/children. However, that's a shallow definition of the idea of family since we have single parents and couples who can't bare any children.
i think they had no choice on which sides they were going. it was completely arbitrary. if you're a good debator, you can put your point across even if you believe on the opposing side. (also i just want to point out that it is such an entp thing to be on the opposing side that you believe in just to mess with people -ENTP)
Sobrang gagaling makipag debate nung tatlong against sex same marriage laging on point yung arguments nila and very knowledgeable pati sa law. They make a perfect team.
@@apiyakannuthivashini1397 The affirmative team won, and I was part of the opposing team. But we had fun in the process! (The teams were assigned by our teacher, we didnt choose the teams ourselves...)
@@chilllobby-sm243 thank u for the response. This gives me some hope right now since im from the affirmative team. Now i need to focus on collecting as much of points and views as possible
There's a positive sight in the sense that it depends on the children interpretation whether what kind of gender that she or he rise (yes criticism is always there but love and understanding is the best way )
I have no stance towards this subject because I believe that this has both pros and cons depending on the situation. Like let’s say for example, if the goal of the two individuals regarding their marriage is all about making a commitment and celebrating the frutition of their love, then I personally don’t see anything wrong about that. But if they are planning to raise a child, well I can’t help but be skeptical. Concerning this issue, we also have to look at the perspective of the child as well. For instance; if two gay parents will raise a child, one of the possible outcomes might be is that the child would lack the maternal love that they need during their childhood developmental years. The reason why so is because mothers have a crucial role towards their child’s development and these roles are due to biological reasons; such are infants and toddlers prefer their mothers over their fathers when seeking comfort from hunger, fear, sickness, or other sorts of affliction. And if they are deprived from maternal love, then it would lead to repercussions such as exhibiting hostile or antisocial tendencies and other long term emotional, social, and cognitive complications. Same goes if the child lacks paternal love because the father’s presence gives the child a sense of security, be it emotional or physical. But here’s where the cognitive dissonance begins; not all mothers and fathers can consistently illustrate those attributes that were previously mentioned above, like some parents are abusive and apathetic to their children. And so to conclude, I think that this subject is wholly depended upon the circumstances. Source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4771005/
DSWD has its ways to regulate the adoption process and ensure the best interest of the children is paramount. In fact, DSWD already issued a statement that a single LGBT individual can adopt like any single person can do. Our adoption law does not contain any prohibition on the basis of sexual orientation. There is another thing called joint adoption wherein both two parents can be the legal adoptive parents. But one of the requirements of joint adoption is marriage license. Clearly, a committed same-sex partner cannot jointly adopt because they can't marry each other because of the family code. Therefore, they are forced to choose who among them should be the single adoptive parent. If legal adoption is allowed for a single LGBT individual, why can't they avail joint adoption. We know two heads are better than one so practically a gay couple is better than a single gay person on average.
NAKAKATAW TINGNAN ANG MGA CONS SIDE KASI NA-STRONG SILA TO DEPEND THEIR SIDE NGUNIT LAMABAS SA KANILANG HAND GESTURES, FACE GESTURES, BODY GESTURES AT THE THEY TALK, PARANG SALANGAT ATA. DAPAT SILA ANG ANDOON SA PRO SIDE. HIRAP TALAGA MAKIGPA-DEBATE PAG DI SURE SA SIDE AT SA SARILI
Boi, hindi ma uubos ang mga tao in the next 20 years, yung iba nga nilalagay pa sa bahay ampunan, pag inampon yun di naman mababago gender nun kung ano ba talaga sila, just because u call it marriage doesnt mean sa simbahan.
A healthy debate amongst teenagers. I'm surprised sa ganda at galing nilang ilahad ang saloobin nila, and those stutterings are acceptable given na debate naman talaga ito, not just simply public speaking. Their perspectives towards life, marriage and LGBT, etc were advanced ( I must say ) to more than half of Filipinos. Pero mging totoo tayo, maging honest tayo, kahit gaano pa kaganda ang explanation and backup statements regarding SSM, imposible talagang maimplement yun dito sa Pinas. Siguro, ilang decades pa mula ngayon. But with the current stand of government towards LGBT, nope. na ah, walang chance. And for me, okay lang yon. Civil union, okay na yun para sa mga LGBT couples
We need to respect each individual with their decision to love who they want to love if it's a female or a male. If they want to marry the person who they want to be with for the rest of their lives. Let's support and respect it. Quick tip, think before you join this kinda stuff or topic and also think about what will you say don't just spit out words that maybe can hurt other people. K
I think that everyone has the right to be happy, if you hinder other peoples’ happiness because they’re being who they are then you don’t deserve to happy.
To answer your question, marriage is mainly for the benefit of pro-creation. It is made with regards to governing laws, natural law and religion. Paano yung baog? If a married couple cannot conceive a child it is not a problem as it does not disturb nor made imbalance in the natural law. That is why couples who cannot conceive are accepted. And it also answers why a senior citizen is allowed to marry even when it cannot conceive. Marriage is for procreation but also follows natural law.
when the against side started to compare same-sex marriage to interfamily relationships, that is not comparable since the latter was proven to have caused negative aspects on the children and future generations of that union such as disorders. meanwhile, the prior does not.
May rights naman lahat dito sa mundo. Kahit bakla. Pa yan or tomboy. Pero pag dumating na ang panahon ng pag lilitis. Pananagutan din natin ang ating mga ginagawa.
Panahon ng paglilitis sinasabi mo so sinasabi mo being part of the lgbtq is a sin let me remind you that everyone has their own beliefs mas makasalan panga ang pagiging kabit dagil nakasaad yon sa 10 utos ng diyos so wag niyong sasabihin na pagbabayaran ng mga lgbtq dahil in the first we haven't done wrong sa paningin niyo lang male kase makikitid ang utak niyo kahit hinde naman nayuyurakan ang karapatan niyo ng pagiging part ng lgbtq ng isang individual
@@vmborabo1067 iba qng rules sa langit. Kasa mundo kinatatayoan natin. Hndi mo pwding bagohin ang rules doon. . Dito sa mundo kahit ano pwde. Kaya nga may bible para may instruction pano mamuhay ng hndi labag sa kalooban ng Buhay na Dyos. . para sa mga taong naniniwala lng na may Dyos.
@@riskygamingchannel1437 Freedom of religion means I have the right to choose or not choose a religion. So, I have no obligation to follow your religious belief.
I do love and agree the standpoints of those debaters, stands for legalizing the same marriage. Unfortunately, nasapawan yong power Ng delivery and boses nila nong kabilang panig.
This is so unprofessional: Gay Marriage ay hindi pribilehiyo, pangunahing kaalaman ito sa karapatang pantao. Bakit ang pag-aasawa ng parehong kasarian ay nakakaabala sa iyo? Hindi ito isang tradisyonal na kasal, ito ay isang kasal sa sibil. PRIVILEGE IS WHEN A RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENT AREN'T PAYING TAXES like chur- opps ☺️. Ang relihiyon ay hindi dapat nasa politika, ang relihiyon ay dapat tratuhin bilang personal agenda hindi isang global conquest. Dictating how other people should live their live is wrong and unreasonable. This is inhumane. Also they're putting social stigma and degrading people who's under the gender spectrum, treating community like a second class citizen because of how they we're taught to be one. LGBTQ+ are people just like us, trying to live a normal life so would you take that away? Theological opinions are not "factual" they do NOT hold any value to truth, that is theists own truth that was thought to their religion. Whatever "according to the bible" drafts they have, in a logical and reasonable discussion, it shouldn't be use as a debate. Social hierarchy and patriarchy has always been on people for ages, treating people differently for not being on the same page, and it's infuriating. The complexity of gender spectrum has been found on hundreds of animals but homophobia can only be found on one species, us. That is why I leave religion, it teaches us to hate others and to be ignorant to other cultures and practices. Let's just say hell is real, I'd rather be burning than to be with Christian bigots. Kids aren't supposed to taught by their parents or instructors how to normalize hate crime, saying that "you're going to hell for that", "God will decide" or "I'm saving you" is a holy way of saying I hate f*g**ts.
DAHILAN NG PAGKAWASAK NG MGA SINAUNA Pinuksa ng Allah ang mga sinaunang Ummah o pamayanan sa pamamagitan ng iba't ibang masisidhing parusa, at narito ang ilan sa mga dahilan ng kanilang pagkawasak: 1. Ang Shirk o pagtatambal, o pagsamba sa mga diyosdiyosan maliban sa Allah. 2. Ang labis na pagmamataas at paghihimagsik ng kasamaan sa ibabaw ng lupa, tulad ng nangyari kay Fer'awn, Namroud, atbp. 3. Ang pandaraya sa pangangalakal, tulad ng nangyari sa pamayanan ni Shu'aib (as). 4. Ang Homosexual o pakikipagtalik sa parehong kasarian, tulad ng nangyari sa pamayanan ni Propeta Lut (as). 5. Ang pagiging pabaya sa katotohanan at hindi pagbabawal ng kamalian, tulad ng nangyari sa isang bayan ng mga Hudyo na naging mga unggoy at baboy. 6. Ang hindi makatarungang pagpapatupad ng batas. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Isa sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna ay kapag nagnakaw ang taong may kakayahan ay hindi pinaparusahan, at kapag ang mahina ang nagnakaw ay kanilang pinaparusahan." [Bukhari at Muslim]. 7. Ang pagiging maramot. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Iwasan ninyo ang pagiging maramot, sapagkat isa ito sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna." [Muslim, Abu Daud, at Imam Ahmad]. 8. Ang pagtatanong at paghiling ng mga walang kabuluhang kahilingan o katanungan. 9. Ang hindi pagsunod sa utos ng Propeta (as), at pakikipagtalo sa taong nagpapalaganap ng katotohanan. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Katotohanang isa sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna ay ang mga katanungan at kahilingang walang saysay, at ang kanilang pakikipagtalo sa mga Propeta, kaya kapag ako'y nag-utos sa inyo ay sundin na lamang inyo sa abot ng inyong makakaya, at kapag may ipinagbawal sa inyo ay inyong iwasan." [Bukhari at Muslim]. 10. Ang "Ghuloww" o pagmamalabis at panunubra sa pananampalataya at mga gawaing may kinalaman sa Relihiyon, tulad ng pag-gawa ng anumang uri ng Bid'ah. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Iwasan ninyo ang Ghuloww, sapagkat ito ang naging dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna." [An-Nasaie, Ibn Majah, at Imam Ahmad]. 11. Ang pakikipag kompetensya at labis na pagkahumaling sa mga makamundong bagay. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Hindi ang kahirapan ang kinatatakutan ko para sa inyo, ang kinatatakutan ko para sa inyo ay ang mabuksan sa inyo ang (lahat ng paraan upang makamtan ang) karangyaan sa mundong ito, at mag-unahan kayo rito tulad ng ginawa ng mga sinauna, at kayo ay mawasak tulad ng kanilang pagkawasak." [Bukhari at Muslim]. 12. Ang paglaganap ng lantarang paggawa ng kasalanan. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Kapag naging lantad sa Ummah na ito ang paggawa ng kasalanan ay pupuksain silang lahat ng Allah sa pamamagitang ng matinding parusa." [Imam Ahmad]. At siya ay tinanong: O Sugo ng Allah; kami ba ay mawawasak kahit na may mabubuting tao? At kanyang sinabi: "Oo, kapag dumami (lumaganap) ang paggawa ng karumaldumal." [Bukhari at Muslim]. ✍ Dr.Muhd-ata Abdulkarim
Not for being close-minded but let's assume you were assigned to the anti same-sex marriage debate? Even if you're pro or not on a personal level, there is a very small argument against same-sex marriage.
If you come up with reasons on why same sex marriage should not be prohibited or should not be allowed and if you look deeper in those reasons it's completely nonesense. I am a Christian myself and based of my already knowledge The Bible did not say anything specific on why same sex marriage should not be allowed. Just because the Bible only mentioned straight affection does not mean it's a sin. It is the people who are toxic enough to prohibit love from the same sex. It is not their fault that they like their same sex.
"You cannot make a moral wrong into a civil right." It sounds catchy, yes, but it's problematic. It basically defeats its purpose in the debate because you cannot interpret issues of today in a biblical context anyway.
religion shouldn't be used in a debate cause all of us have different religions, who are we to believe or who are we supposed to listen to if all of us has different "Bibles"
Nainis lang ako habang pinapanood toh lol. Yung con side di marunong makipag debate as they always interrupt the other party myghod. Then they just continue to justify their claims dahil ganto nakasanayan ganto dapat lol. Never ata nila cinounter yung claims ng pro side through stating facts din hahahahha kuddos to the pro side po ang gagaling niyo makipag argue 😊
1. Bible verses shouldn't be used in debates unless the topic is related to religion. 2. Using the Family Code as a basis is somewhat pointless since the discussion is centered on amending the same law. 3. One of the reasons why marriage between "first-degree cousins" is prohibited is due to the risk of abnormalities and early death in their future offspring. So, no, it is not the same as same-sex marriage. 4. Marriage is not solely about procreation. 5. Marriage does not have its origins in religion. 6. The purpose of same-sex marriage is not solely for the "personal gratification of the individuals." Married people enjoy privileges that are not available to unmarried couples. (e.g. intestate succession) 7. Morality is subjective.
Lol doesn't mean that only a male can become a role that is like a father, who cares and gives their everything for their family, sabi nga" if you love your Children, no matter what gender you are, you will give your best as a parent, you will give everything para lng mabuhay anak mo" Walang gender and paging parent, a parent is a good role model that can shape their child into a better person for the future. Kaya nga eh may mga orphans sa pilipinas na na adopt by families and kahit na di mag ka dugo, basta alagaan mo dahil mahal mo at ipalaki mo ng mabuti, and with that you are considered as a parent. A parent is like a coach "They help you to become better".
DAHILAN NG PAGKAWASAK NG MGA SINAUNA Pinuksa ng Allah ang mga sinaunang Ummah o pamayanan sa pamamagitan ng iba't ibang masisidhing parusa, at narito ang ilan sa mga dahilan ng kanilang pagkawasak: 1. Ang Shirk o pagtatambal, o pagsamba sa mga diyosdiyosan maliban sa Allah. 2. Ang labis na pagmamataas at paghihimagsik ng kasamaan sa ibabaw ng lupa, tulad ng nangyari kay Fer'awn, Namroud, atbp. 3. Ang pandaraya sa pangangalakal, tulad ng nangyari sa pamayanan ni Shu'aib (as). 4. Ang Homosexual o pakikipagtalik sa parehong kasarian, tulad ng nangyari sa pamayanan ni Propeta Lut (as). 5. Ang pagiging pabaya sa katotohanan at hindi pagbabawal ng kamalian, tulad ng nangyari sa isang bayan ng mga Hudyo na naging mga unggoy at baboy. 6. Ang hindi makatarungang pagpapatupad ng batas. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Isa sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna ay kapag nagnakaw ang taong may kakayahan ay hindi pinaparusahan, at kapag ang mahina ang nagnakaw ay kanilang pinaparusahan." [Bukhari at Muslim]. 7. Ang pagiging maramot. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Iwasan ninyo ang pagiging maramot, sapagkat isa ito sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna." [Muslim, Abu Daud, at Imam Ahmad]. 8. Ang pagtatanong at paghiling ng mga walang kabuluhang kahilingan o katanungan. 9. Ang hindi pagsunod sa utos ng Propeta (as), at pakikipagtalo sa taong nagpapalaganap ng katotohanan. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Katotohanang isa sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna ay ang mga katanungan at kahilingang walang saysay, at ang kanilang pakikipagtalo sa mga Propeta, kaya kapag ako'y nag-utos sa inyo ay sundin na lamang inyo sa abot ng inyong makakaya, at kapag may ipinagbawal sa inyo ay inyong iwasan." [Bukhari at Muslim]. 10. Ang "Ghuloww" o pagmamalabis at panunubra sa pananampalataya at mga gawaing may kinalaman sa Relihiyon, tulad ng pag-gawa ng anumang uri ng Bid'ah. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Iwasan ninyo ang Ghuloww, sapagkat ito ang naging dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna." [An-Nasaie, Ibn Majah, at Imam Ahmad]. 11. Ang pakikipag kompetensya at labis na pagkahumaling sa mga makamundong bagay. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Hindi ang kahirapan ang kinatatakutan ko para sa inyo, ang kinatatakutan ko para sa inyo ay ang mabuksan sa inyo ang (lahat ng paraan upang makamtan ang) karangyaan sa mundong ito, at mag-unahan kayo rito tulad ng ginawa ng mga sinauna, at kayo ay mawasak tulad ng kanilang pagkawasak." [Bukhari at Muslim]. 12. Ang paglaganap ng lantarang paggawa ng kasalanan. Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Kapag naging lantad sa Ummah na ito ang paggawa ng kasalanan ay pupuksain silang lahat ng Allah sa pamamagitang ng matinding parusa." [Imam Ahmad]. At siya ay tinanong: O Sugo ng Allah; kami ba ay mawawasak kahit na may mabubuting tao? At kanyang sinabi: "Oo, kapag dumami (lumaganap) ang paggawa ng karumaldumal." [Bukhari at Muslim]. ✍ Dr.Muhd-ata Abdulkarim
Personally, I think religion or religious beliefs shouldn't be brought when it comes to debates like this one. I also don't see the essence of not approving with the Same Sex Marriage since it cannot harm other people. That's true that marriage is sacred and divine but as pointed by the debater, a "secular marriage" can be imposed wherein it doesn't need to go with the belief of religious institutions. It is stated in the 1987 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines that the government and religion are two different entities wherein government decisions don't need to respect religious beliefs so why isn't the government implementing and/or imposing the legalization of same sex marriage? Also, everything changes. Yes I mean EVERYTHING. If the definition of marriage is the union between male and female, that was before. Now is the new era, I believe that marriage should be defined as "the union between two people regardless of their race, age, and absolutely their gender/sex". Let us not limit ourselves with a single information because change is constant. We are a "Catholic Country" that's true but we are not a "Catholic Nation". Let us not sit on the OLD mindset when in fact we are the NEW generation. Kudos to the PRO'S ❤️❤️🌈
Ever individual should be given a right to decide for themselves to act the way they are.Not just because your god said it's not accepted doesn't mean you will use it to control someone else's life,you should not control someone nor let someone control you.Remember in this world we have different religions and beliefs and all you need to do is to respect others and stick on your beliefs without harming one another.
The question about whether allowing same sex marriage affects the children or not. The answer of the opposing side is it not a misogynist mindset?? Thinking that a women can never/only imitate the role of a “father” within a relationship between a man and a woman. Lastly, when the side that is for same sex marriage states that unions/marriages date back to even before religion and the opposing side changed her words (they said that even before religion, marriages were by a man and a woman when in fact she didn’t mention anything about gender and only stated that a union of two people, All I can say is that from this debate, we just move in trying to promote same sex marriage and just advocate and appeal for civil unions that has all the rights of a married man and woman while still not being a marriage since they wouldn’t understand and listen to what we are saying.
Also the opposing side kept on stating that they are trying to preserve the so called “sanctity” of marriage (which is a social construct) and not disrespecting or discriminating against homosexual people while trying to do so hinders and restricts lgbtia+ from equal rights
The opposing side was also very hypocritical, they criticize the examples and analogies of the other side while also providing a flawed analogy which was in no way related to the debate (when they said that if love was their basis then would it not be ok if you had a relationship with your cousin)
Pero Hindi ba mas uunlad ang bansa pag napatupad ang same sex marriage? Mas marami ang Pros kasya sa cons? Pag napatupad same sex marriage, magkakaroon ng pag unlad sa ekonimya ng pilipinas, mas madadagdagan ang employment na magccater sa mga taong magpapakasal na lgbtq, tulad ng mga Doctor and lawyers, pag nangyari yun maiiwasan ang brain drain ng pinas, at pag napatupad toh pwede rin mawala maibsan ang poverty sa paraan ng pag adopt ng mga lgbtq couples sa mga batang walang magulang o di Lang kayang arugain ng magulang, also it would fix our overpopulation problem which is one of the main sources of poverty other than teen pregnancy, totoong sacrilegious ang kasal which is based on and influenced by Christian law, Kung ganon pwedeng isang Union nalang ng 2 Tao dahil ang iba Lang naman is pag kinasal ka sa simbahan you are joined together in the eyes of church, at Kung sa government ang paraan ng pagkasal, kasal kayo sa mata ng gobyerno, ang problema dito is Heterosexual couples have the option of being able to get married with the approval of the state and the church while LGBTQ only gets the approval of state which still equates this problem to discrimination. Sa tingin ko po maayos lng po ang problema na toh pag iniba o binago ng church or people's beliefs ang kanilang mga pananaw and laws.
@@fiebz3835 union po ang usapan, hindi po sexual intercourse, kung namomonitor ng gobyerno ang gay marriages (kung magkakaroon man) malaki ang chance na makokontrol at mas mapagtutuunan nila ng pansin ang mga sexually transmitted diseases more than before. Kayo po yung type ng homophobic na pag inisip na LGBT puro mga nagssex kaagad, ang laswa po ng isip niyo.
@@Nick-wh5mc madami akong nakita na same sex couples na masaya parin hanggang ngayon. Daming straights na Di masaya sa kasal nila lmao. Di base sa gender ang pagiging magulang. May nanay at tatay ka nga Di ka naman inaalagaan ng maayos 🙃
Magaling ang pagsasagawa ng dalawang panig malinis at maayos ang argumento nila, para sa aking opinyon sumasang-ayon ako dito sa same sex marriage sapagkat na hindi natin magpipigilan ang dalawang tao nagmamahalan kahit alam naman natin ginawa lamang ng diyos ay babae at lalake, sa ibang bansa unang naimprobahan ito pero wala naman tumanggi bakit dito din gawin natin dito para maging pantay pantay ang tingin nating Pilipino, nasa kanila na lang ito kung gagawin nila ito na masama o mabuti.
Further to this, same-sex practice is specifically highlighted as sinful a number of times in Scripture. In God’s Law, for example, condemnations of same-sex practice are given in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. Further references are made in the New Testament. For example, in Romans 1:24-32, amid echoes to the Genesis creation account, both male and female same-sex practice are treated as sinful. Further references to the sinfulness of same-sex practice can be seen in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. Who is your God?
saying "you can immitate but not duplicate" like what does that mean? basically they're saying na ang pagiging magulang ay pagiging ama at ina lang? then they're already violating the fact that there's single parents, grandparents/or siblings rasing a child exist?
like their statements are so flawed you can counter it everytime
also they're interrupting becaus ethey know they're losing TT
Same thought when I heard that dumb line. They are just opposing the side not merely thinking that single parents or other na nag aalaga sa mga bata for example nawalan ng father figure or even iniwan ng magulang so in that case they should not focus the idea of not duplicating sa pagiging guardian ng bata, kasi lahat pwedeng mag-alaga regardless of what gender.
@@cristianjaytrinidad4554 agree, napaka insensitive sa point na di nila inisip na may mga bstang inabandona and naiwan sa isang magulang. Nakakadismaya, kesyo puro sila religion. Grr
@@reiireiwiththedoublei7093 yes, isa rin yan. Wala silang respect sa other parties, which is over for them. Dun palang napakadefensive at wala nang sense mga sinasabi nila.
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@@nirangdhruv8182 26:13
You cannot insert religious statements on a debate. Anyway it’s an informal debate.
Trueee. So unprofessional
Fallacy
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Yes!
POV: Yung nandito ka para kumuha ng impormasyon dahil idedebate niyo rin ang topic nato
Eto po yung topic namin ngayonnnn, any tips?? 😢
Kung dalawang pangit nga kinakasal
IT IS NOT FOR STRAIGHT PEOPLE TO DECIDE WHAT HOMOPHOBIC IS
both straight and non-straight people can obviously tell if a person is homophobic. so why can't heterosexual people judge if an individual is homophobic and a non-straight person can?
for instance, an individual discriminating a homosexual because of their sexuality. isn't that homophobic?
@@eve3521 hetero people have not experienced the discrimination that hetero people inflicted on homosexuals, the context of this comment was in that straight people are deciding the actions that they do to homosexuals and dictating how they should feel about.
True, I find it funny when Homophobic heteros say that gay sex is gross. Same girl, I think straight sex is gross. 🤢 To each their own.
This must have been hard to hear for the gay student during this time period. Hearing people debate if you ever deserve your rights is absolutely nerve wrecking. Here are my stands for this.
1. Homosexuality was actually observed within 1,500 species yet homophobia occurs only in one-humans. To say that same sex marriage is against nature is very contradicting to what nature is actually showing. Nature itself displays homosexual behavior.
2. Many ancient nations, including pre-colonial Philippines, was actually supportive of gay and queer people where many cultures depict third and other genders. In pre-colonial Philippines, effeminate men are respected and treated equally like any other citizens. Some of them are priests, called Asogs/Bayoguin, which are male babaylans who dress with female garb, marry other men, have carnal knowledge, and act as women. Ancient Greece, Rome, Japan, and other ancient civilizations are observed with homosexual practices as well. It was until these nations were westernized and turned these culture as somehow bad and demonic.
3. Without the right to marry, same sex couples can't have the right to sue and make medical decision for their partners as well. Hypothetically, if their partners were killed/diagnosed they can't make decisions for them! It'll be hard because they cant give their partners justice or they might just watch their partners die in front of them.
4. It just triggers me hearing them say "You can't make a moral wrong a civil right." How do you define moral? If that moral excludes people and develops micro aggressions, I think its not. Is it moral when someone dies without further justice just because no one can make decisions for them? Is it still moral? I question your morals then.
5. Now, family. To say that a same sex family can't provide the needs of child is utterly wrong. How can you say so? Have you seen one, been in one? Same sex couples can actually help the children in orphanages, which heterosexual couples abandoned. I think, same sex couples can even give more love for they would never want their children grown up the way they grow up. Philippines is not a gay friendly country! Check your prejudices and biases.
6. The opposition stated that state and church sould be separated but they kept on leaning on the ideas of the church. That is religious bias. You cant tell someone how to live just because of your religion. Para mo na ring sinabing bawal silang kumain dahil nagdyedyeta ka. Sounds stupid, right?
Queer people have been waiting for this to pass. Change is constant and our country needs to change. Philippines would be more progressive if ever same sex marriage would pass. Lets be open minded. The LGBTQ+ people are here, the exist, they are humans, and they deserve their rights.
Thank you for explaining deeply! and for the support for LGBTQ+ COMMUNITY. They need to see this and understand the point. I hope the people might recognize it. Spread love! 🏳️🌈 and keep safe y'all!
Therefore we on the pro/government side firmly and strongly believe that Same Sex marriage should be passed.
so true bestie
thank you!
love this!!
It's already 2021 and still watching this debate about same marriage huuhuhhuhh Justine and Sansa👑 so proud of this two❤️
No. they are dissapointing kids.
@@allinworldwillfadeawaysome4245I bet ur parents are too to you
@@calvs4557gay gay gay
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tbh, a same sex couple can provided the same love and affectionate towards a child and to each other than a straight couple. in some tendencies, an even deeper love and meaning too.
Agree. I don't understand some religious or conservatives when they were saying gay people only know sex while implying straight people know love. I mean most criminals convicted of rape, sexual harassment, child marriage, grooming, and prostitution are straight men but we cannot generalize straight men even though they dominate the prison.
If all gay people are only for sex, then we would not have fought for same-sex marriage since it's legal here to have consensual gay sex to anyone. Yet, I know most gay relationships outlast straight relationships. Now they are willing to build a family yet the state law doesn't allow it that's why we need legalization.
"have you read books?" i would've regretted all my life decisions and would stop talking right away if that were to be said to me😭
Omg yes 😭
Based on my experience and observation about this topic debaters should not used religious stand inorder to protect their side .. it should be fair to call it fair fight .. so sick of those arguments about bible verse✍️
Tama!
Why not? All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
@@rapid123ful may alam po ba kayo sa pakikipag debate or sa oregon oxford debate?
@@rapid123ful Try mong gumamit ng bible verse sa actual debate, tingnan natin kung 'di ka mapalayas.
Jay-Ar Marcial: Where did laws for the Philippines originate from? Originally, about 7,000 years ago, they came from God, our Heavenly Father. It started with the "10 Commandments" and grew from there for Westernized Judeo-Christian nations (of which the Philippines is one of them). Islam, a corrupted form of Judaism, also had its laws originate from Judaism (from a perverted rich merchant, a sexually deviant, a child molester and rapist, a warrior against non-Muslims, and a slave owner known as Muhammad).
Therefore a debate should not limit itself to only legality. A debater can speak whatever he wishes in order to get his point across. If mentioning Bible verses is needed for the debate, so be it.
"Hindi pwedeng palitan Ng tomboy Ang title Ng isang ama"
So parang sinabi narin no kuya na...
Hindi kayang iparamdam Ng isang single mother Ang pagtatangol at pagtataguyod Ng isang ama sa kanyang anak dahil Lang sa siya ay isang babae.
Bilang produkto n isang broken family my big brother is the one who stand as our mother and as a father. Kahit sabihin nila na kapatid ko Ang mga kuya at ate ko walang pinag kaiba Yung nararamdaman ko sa pagaalaga nila sa Amin Ng mga kapatid ko sa sa pagaalaga na ipinaramdam Ng mga magulang ko nung panahon na buo pa kami.
Dami kayang ama hinde kayang ibigay pagiging ama
Kademonyuhan na yan
Babae at lalaki lng nilalang ng Diyos
@@aidafrancisco8196 hahahah make semse yung ina hinde kayang mag paka ina at ama nnhinde kaya obligasyun yung tomboy n kaya both tingin sino titignan ng diyos mo n mabuti hahahaha
@@aidafrancisco8196 yes, produkto ng diyos pero hindi perpekto. Madaming tao na mas diretso pa sa poste ang kasarian pero kapag nakipagtalik sa isat isa at nakagawa ng anak. Ung iba diyan basta basta nalang itatapon o ipapa ampon, kaya mga bakla na gusto magka anak para sakanila ay inaampon ang mga musmos na iniwan ng lalaki at babaeng kanilang magulang at nagawang iwanan dahil sa takot pero di natakot sa kaparusahan ng diyos. Sino ang mas demonyo?
I'm so proud of this comment section. This proves that our society is improving in terms of critical thinking. I expected the comment section to be filled with religious accounts which are fallacious arguments. Keep it up Pilipens... P.S. Natawa ako sa procreation na part XD. Hindi naman sa needed natin ang population control but bruh, implementation of gay marriage doesn't necessarily result in population decline... And a lot of irresponsible citizens are actually partaking in your so-called "pro-creation" and ends up having their babies abandoned or aborted. The gay community can help these unprepared parents to foster their child in the most legitimate way. Can't you see how objectively beneficial we are in the community? And please to someone homophobic reading this, erase your prejudice towards our competence in raising children, because as far as I am concerned, gay couples plan ahead of time when building a family cause it's a very big deal to them. This trait is rarely seen on straight couples nowadays.
Same sex relationship is different from same sex marriage. If the purpose of marriage is to unite two lovers and raise children, then same sex couples don't give their children the privilege to grow in a moral environment.
@@rapid123ful I'm not quite sure whether this argument is pro or anti.
Pro: same sex couples don't give their children the privilege to grow in a moral environment because they are not legally married? therefore we really must implement gay marriage; or
Con: same sex couples don't give their children the privilege to grow in a moral environment because their relationship does offend your "archaic spiritual beliefs".
Either way, concluding that "same sex couples don't give their children the privilege to grow in a moral environment" is a hasty generalization since there is no objective ways of measuring a moral environment and kids morality. As far as observation goes, Kids born with same-sex parents are more tolerant and less degrading/discriminating to their fellow citizens because they themselves are subject to such humiliations.
@@rapid123ful What morality?
The Divine God has never ever been restricted by a religion, and God is not a religion but He is the creator, and He is Sovereign to all Humanity and He is the creator of Marriage. Equality is for all but don't forget God and what is the original design of God to Humanity, Marriage and Family.
(Look Genesis 2)
In this world.. there’s a personality and attributes that is commonly associated to a Man and Woman.. but it doesn’t mean that your sex different and you have the right to change the definition of things. Hindi porket ang hilig mong kilos ay pambabae.. ibig sabihin babae ka na, hindi porket ang kilos mo ay pang lalaki ay lalaki ka na. At hindi rin sapat na dahilan yung kagustuhan na pag mamahal para baguhin ang katotohanan.
Please stop using the anti gay or homophobe.. it’s just people who are telling the truth and keeping in check that you LGBT must be open up to reality and let go of your ego that you can dictate or change what you supposed to be. See and live the world as they are.. not what you want to insist it to be.
Dahil hindi tao kalaban niyo kundi katotohanan. Also you can always act the way you want to be but please stop twisting the truth.
religious stands are invalid. and in this country, religion and the government are separate sectors.
good luck si Villanueva nga nanalo dahil ginamit religion ngsinungaling pa ng support sa LGBT
Kailan naging in valid ang Theological truths? Theology or study of God and what He has is a part of study and systematic science and archeology
How about do not murder?
grabe!! a lot of learning as I expected. Thank u so much.. iskoolmates💕
Same Sex Marriage not only breaks the stigma but also ratifies the union of the same sex couple. Marriage are usually evidence unions of couple to legalize their relationship and avail the perks and restrictions of law when involved in one. One example is conjugal property, when people get married the properties they bear or have will be shared between them. Also, when it comes to tax optimization wedded couples may list their partner as a dependent. Those are perks of hetero couples that cannot be available to same sex couple because the law prohibits them. Laws are supposed to protect its people and promote equal and general welfare that's why amendments can be made and we have our senate, the government in general to ratify that. Philippines has been colonized by Spaniards and their damage to our society is extremely observable. Same sex marriage does not compromise your religion, men and women can still be married. And do not use the law as the definite reason to prove your standpoint because laws can be amended and adjusted to people. Addition, the law implicitly allows a person to kill their cheating partner when caught in act. Moral wrong cannot be a civil right, remember?
For me same sex marriage is all about acceptance, love and no discrimination. LET PEOPLE LOVE AS LONG AS WALA SILANG MATATAPAKANG TAO
Wala ba talagang tinatapakang tao.. kahit binabago naman ang katotohanan? Wala daw tinatapakang tao pero pinipilit naman ay kasinungalingan na malaya silang pumili ng kasariaan na gusto nila.. wala daw tinatapakang tao pero tatawaging close minded at homophobic ang mga taong di tinatanggap ang kasinungalingan? Ang point is di excuse ang pagmamahalan para iaccept kung ano ang immoral at kasinungalingan..ano yun porket nagmamahalan okay ng ijustify kahit against sa biological aspect nila.
@@Ccm2019 Yup. Wag ipilit ang hindi biological. Tulad ng religion. Walang animal na may religion pero pinipilit ng ibang tao na ipilit sa ibang tao ang religion nila. Di ba napakaimoral non? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 😂
Ang dami mong alam, ang sabi humayo kayo at magparami paano dadami,, yun sagutin mo
@@rainb5987 ay sowss naghahanap naman ng masingitan hahah di counted opinions ng bobo dito hahaha
@@Ccm2019 Mas lalong di counted opinion ng naniniwala sa fairytale.
Hanga ako sa naging talakayan ng dalawang panig dahil nagamit nila yung mga impormasyon na hawak nila ng tama. Gusto ko lang din sabihin na natuwa ako sa mga argumento nila dahil mapapaisip talaga yung mga manonood do'n sa mga sinasabi nila. May mga oras lang talaga na nahihinaan ako sa argumento ng mga nasa di-pabor-kagaya na nung sa binabanggit nilang procreation - na ang essence ng kasal ay para magprocreate. Kaya natuwa ako noong nabanggit ni kuyang nasa pabor na panig 'yung mga taong baog. Overall, ang galing nila!!
This video called me "bobo" in different languages lol HSHAHAJHAHAHAHHZH
guys some are allys they just have to do this for the grades 😭
he highlighted the separation of church and state yet he was heavily leaning on the ideals of church 😩😖
Yah stan felix
Separation when it comes to duties, pero ung religion spiritual yan kaya kahit pa separated kung ikaw mismo naniniwala na may Diyos susunod ka pa din sa teachings ng simbahan, yun nga lang di pupuwedeng makialam sa mga external o internal problems ng gobyerno ang simbahan, kaya lang naman nagkaroon ng separation ang church at govt.specially rito sa pinas kasi sa history ginagamit ng mga priests ang gobyerno para magawa nila at maibigay sa kanila ang mga gusto nila kaya may naaabuso but when it comes to duties magkaiba spiritual ang sa church tandaan mo yan.
spiritual k pa nalalaman. eh if people followed your line of thought pwede magdagdag ng kahit ano church kasi napakageneral ng spiritual.
besides kung spiritual or not it would have been written in the constitution already.
@@forcedbreedingsociety8907 Kahit pa isulat o hindi sa constitution kung ang lalaki ay para sa babae at ang babae ay para sa lalaki yun pa din yun, tigil tigilan niyo ka immoralan niyo kung ayaw mo maniwala sa bible convert ka bhudism, hinduism, islam etc. para malaya ka magawa ka immoralan niyo!
@@ainerdal3431 Sorry di po tinatanggap ng batas ang kwentong fairytale
The pros were all awesome!!!
everyone did great. some of them may have said wrong arguments at some point, but overall still great. not everyone can do what they did. these people don't deserve to be called names. we can never agree in everything, we can only respect and accept, that we all have different beliefs.
In terms of stats, there's another way to analyze it. We have to consider as to whether or not the survey respondents are actually knowledgeable about same sex marriage? What about the sogie bill? You see, before we can come up with a sensible response, we have to be enlightened first about the issue/concern that we're dealing with. Apparently, that's not the case in the Philippines.
Mahusay ang pag sasagawa ng kanilang debate, nagamit nila ng maayos ang mga impormasyon at naisabi din ito sa magandang paraan, na hindi nakakasakit na paraan, ngunit, may punto kung saan may nagbanggit sila ng isang relihiyosong pahayag, sa pormal na debate ay hindi pwede iyon. Iyon lamang, magaling kayo!!
btw guys, tolerating lgbtq doesn't make you less straight, because that's the way u think and we feel na may mali talaga regarding sa law and religion.
Magkiba ang tinotolerate lang sa acceptance talaga
@@yascircuit4036 Well kung taliwas talaga sa paniniwala nila, tolerance lang talaga makukuha mula sa kanila. We can’t control that. Pero ibang usapan kapag naapakan na yung karapatan mo.
@@thinkpctive8078 Bawal ang kabaklaan sa Islam, especially diyan sa Quiapo, Manila at buong mindanao
@@yascircuit4036 Bawal ang kabaklaan sa Islam, especially diyan sa Quiapo, Manila at buong mindanao
@@CD-nb4qv walang may pake sa kanila
eversince the law addresses the problems or issues faced by each individual and its giving a person the right to have a good and peaceful life,by bringing a topic or a subject that connects with a law then be assured that not only your opinion will be not only your opinion will be the right answer because the law has many bases such as discussing about human rights,which LGBTQ+ also have this rights
This Sean boy is making my blood boil
Magaling ang pag sasagawa ng kanilang debate, nagamit nila ng maayos ang mga impormasyon at naisabi din ito sa magandang paraan, na hindi nakakasakit na paraan. Pero may parte na medyo hindi maayos ang pagkakasabi sa aking pagkakaintindi lamang. Mahusay ang dalawang panig na grupo.
Well in my own opinon we can't please everyone to understand your own opinion, the only thing I know that all of us should follow is the seperation of church and the states
Separation of Church and State will deffine properly..If the government ligalized abortion ..Is separation of church and state applicable?
@@donatopotongjr3089 If we follow the line of thinking of these people who is in favor of same sex marriage because of the doctrine of Separation of State and Church then lumalabas po pde na legalized ng gobyerno ang abortion. See how cruel and how selfish these people are. Pati incest or pag aasawa ng mga magkaka anak pde na din kasi sinasabi nila separation daw ng church and State. Good point sir.
@@lb811uable We can't legalize abortion because it is expressly stated in 1987 Constitution about its prohibition while same sex marriage is not.
@@lb811uable The states must support their policymaking with "CONVINCING SECULAR EXPLANATION" not with religious morality as it goes against the separation of Church and State.
Convincing Secular Explanation includes;
1. Cultural
2. Historical
3. Human Rights Consideration
4. Logic
5. Science
6. Math
7. Foreign courts interpretation
So the action is prohibited because THERE IS A CLEAR AND CONVINCING EVIDENCR that it brought danger to the society not because it is different and against your belief.
Murder is illegal not because the Church 10 commandments said it but because of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states that "All individuals are born equal and free."
Bible is not the basis for policymaking. Secular explanation is the basis. If you use the bible without convincing secular evidence, you're forcinh other people not believing in the bible to follow an act coming from the bible which is against the religious freedom.
Secularism accomodates diverse people with diverse background
@@lb811uable the slippery slope argument
Hanga ako sa pinakita na kagalingan na ipinakita ng dalawang grupo. Naging maayos at naiintindihan ang kinalabasan ng kanilang debate. Napatunayan ng dalawang grupo ang stand nila ukol sa Same Sex Marriage. Ngunit, ako ay naguguluhan sa parte na kung saan nagbigay ng mga religious statement ang against na grupo. Sa aking palagay, ang debate ay hindi dapat hinahaluan ng religious beliefs. Iyon lang naman ang aking pananaw.
I stan ROM for clarifying his answer very well ❤️
i’m with the anti..
"cannot turn a moral wrong into a civil right" what...
how can love be morally wrong. loving isnt morally wrong but when it turns that its a same sex love then it is wrong? how? because of a book?
no offense intended.
Moral wrong daw tanginang yan nanggigil ako dejok kalmahan lang
Exactly 🙌
Agree
I totally agree
Well what I think they mean about moral wrong is not to love, but what kind of love that is. Loving is not morally wrong, but what about someone love to kill? We know it's not right to kill but if you love doing it does it make killing right?
What I think of their point is that loving a person that violates basic biology is unnatural so it's called morally wrong.
21:53
No annulment its not all about if you're a victim of harassment its all about love.if you doesn't love the person you devorce with it.there are people who have been victims of harassment but have not been annulled because they still love each other
What lgbtq wants, isn't just a marriage of the feelings towards each other andthe feeling of being married. LGBTQ wants a deeper meaning of being married. It is to be recognized as a legal partner by all means. Hope you understand that it isn't just for the kilig. Karapatan sa lahat ng bagay katulad ng mag asawang lalaki at babae. Make sense.
We are a very religious Catholic country, but since you want rights and acceptance we have to adjust for you guys, so tinanggap namin kayo, but shoving it to our face, shoving it to the face of our children by legalizing same sex marriage is ridiculous
It's fine if you are proud of your sexuality but why should we be proud of your sexuality
@@victorvaliente2559Huh??
@@nimpsonkinkson1924 kung di mo naintindihan sunabi ipapaliwanag ko sayo,
Siguro naman aware ka na religious christian country ang pilipinas, pero inaaccept na rin natin Silang mga LGBTQ, kaya Nga naglipana Sila sa Daan ea, pero legalizing same sex marriage is too much, imagine makikita Ng anak mo na Yung dalawang lalaki kinakasal at iisipin nila na walang pinagkaiba ang same sex marriage at kinasal sa simabhan, iisipin nila na tama at normal lang Yun?
@@victorvaliente2559 The point of accepting LGBTQ people is to normalize yung identity ng pagiging LGBTQ at ituring sila bilang mga tao, so bakit parang sa tingin mo galing sa ibang planeta yung mga ganong tao? We are only really a religious country by name or when it suits someone's argument, like yours for example, so hindi reason yang pagiging katoliko para maging against sa concept of same sex marriage.
@@victorvaliente2559 And yes, tama at normal naman talaga yung same sex marriage at wala naman mali dun kung hindi naman kayo sapilitang iniimbita o hinihila papunta sa kasal nila, hindi po sobrang mangmang ang mga kabataan na hindi nila madidistinguish ang same sex sa "traditional", at kung ikakalaki nila yung makikita nila na mga ganyang bagay, masmagiging open minded sila because "accepting LGBTQ" is not just solely about normalizing other orientations, it's about accepting na okay lang maging bakla, tomboy, etc. sa ating bansa.
According to Science, nothing is wrong with being not "heterosexual". It is totally fine and is observable hindi lang sa ating mga tao, pati na rin sa iba pang mga animals. The Philippines is tuck in this archaic "norms" that we've forcefully adopted due to the harsh way these ideologies were imposed.
The “believer” will tell you that being gay is a choice, so Gawd didn’t make them that way.
Neuroscience seems to tell us a different story.
People are in fact born with homosexual tendencies. It is also seen in other animals as well, in roughly the same percentages too. So being gay is “normal”; it is “natural.”
Now the believer will assert that humans aren’t animals, but phylogenetics seems to tell us a different story…
It comes down to what you trust more: modern science, the same science that you trust when you board an airplane or take medicine… or some bronze age tale written by people who showed no compunction for killing others because they worshipped a different god.
@@lolololgii754 Ang Funny nila. Being religious is a choice and everyone has the freedom whether to choose or not choose a religion (Article III, Section 5 of 1987 Constitution). Their ignorance thinks that homosexuality never exists but when they learn about its natural occurrence in other animals, they will eventually tell that we are not animals. Technically, we belong to the animal kingdom right?
Kingdom: Animalia,
Phylum: Chordata
Subphylum: Vertebrates
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Suborder: Haplorhini
Infraorder: Simiiformes
Family: Hominidae
Subfamily: Homininae
Tribe: Homini
Genus: Homo
Species: Sapiens Sapiens
22:47 "tinan natin sa ganitong standpoint, kung paano nagpasal ako sa pinsan ko?"
Iba po ang incest sa same sex marriage.
@ur shawty disappointing tbh
Omsim
I think his stand is, you can't ALWAYS accept all forms of love. Kasi parang un ung point nung mga PRO. Kaya ung rebuttal nung nga AGAINST is hindi lahat ng love acceptable.
BTW, meron talagang magkakamag-anak na sila2 mismo nag-aasawa. Some clans are normalizing it.
@@jl-un8vf parang hindi nga.
@@akuay8883 It's actually a strawman or red herring fallacy. You inserted new topic that's not even comparable or relevant to same sex marriage. They attacked the something that's not even the point of pro.
Miss ko na yung nag ddebate kuno kami ng mga kaibigan ko about aliens, sino ang mas gwapo, etc. Tapos pa english2x pa kami, gumagawa-gawa lang kami ng mga 'proofs' hahahaha, basta feel na feel namin ang galing na namin hahahah. Pero siyempre nangyayari lang to tuwing recess or after class🤣
Yes. First, rules/laws shouldn't remain consistent because we live in changing times. What may be applicable in the past may not be applicable at present. For example, punishment during the ancient times were "barbaric," unlike today. Now we don't want that do we?
Second, as we are informed our consciousness of social constructs also changes. Thus, we are led to the changing definitions of ideas like "family" and what constitute it. Typically, we are made to think that a family is composed of a mother, a father, and their child/children. However, that's a shallow definition of the idea of family since we have single parents and couples who can't bare any children.
i think they had no choice on which sides they were going. it was completely arbitrary. if you're a good debator, you can put your point across even if you believe on the opposing side. (also i just want to point out that it is such an entp thing to be on the opposing side that you believe in just to mess with people -ENTP)
Sobrang gagaling makipag debate nung tatlong against sex same marriage laging on point yung arguments nila and very knowledgeable pati sa law. They make a perfect team.
grabeeee duo ni sansa and justineeee😘❣️
I'm having a debate about this topic, and this debate is very informative and useful. Thanks!
me too..coming to get some ideas on how to debate on this. How was your debate?
@@apiyakannuthivashini1397 The affirmative team won, and I was part of the opposing team. But we had fun in the process! (The teams were assigned by our teacher, we didnt choose the teams ourselves...)
@@chilllobby-sm243 thank u for the response. This gives me some hope right now since im from the affirmative team. Now i need to focus on collecting as much of points and views as possible
@@apiyakannuthivashini1397 Good luck with your debate!
@@chilllobby-sm243 Thank u☺
There's a positive sight in the sense that it depends on the children interpretation whether what kind of gender that she or he rise (yes criticism is always there but love and understanding is the best way )
Intense!
I have no stance towards this subject because I believe that this has both pros and cons depending on the situation. Like let’s say for example, if the goal of the two individuals regarding their marriage is all about making a commitment and celebrating the frutition of their love, then I personally don’t see anything wrong about that. But if they are planning to raise a child, well I can’t help but be skeptical. Concerning this issue, we also have to look at the perspective of the child as well.
For instance; if two gay parents will raise a child, one of the possible outcomes might be is that the child would lack the maternal love that they need during their childhood developmental years. The reason why so is because mothers have a crucial role towards their child’s development and these roles are due to biological reasons; such are infants and toddlers prefer their mothers over their fathers when seeking comfort from hunger, fear, sickness, or other sorts of affliction. And if they are deprived from maternal love, then it would lead to repercussions such as exhibiting hostile or antisocial tendencies and other long term emotional, social, and cognitive complications. Same goes if the child lacks paternal love because the father’s presence gives the child a sense of security, be it emotional or physical.
But here’s where the cognitive dissonance begins; not all mothers and fathers can consistently illustrate those attributes that were previously mentioned above, like some parents are abusive and apathetic to their children. And so to conclude, I think that this subject is wholly depended upon the circumstances.
Source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4771005/
DSWD has its ways to regulate the adoption process and ensure the best interest of the children is paramount. In fact, DSWD already issued a statement that a single LGBT individual can adopt like any single person can do. Our adoption law does not contain any prohibition on the basis of sexual orientation.
There is another thing called joint adoption wherein both two parents can be the legal adoptive parents. But one of the requirements of joint adoption is marriage license. Clearly, a committed same-sex partner cannot jointly adopt because they can't marry each other because of the family code. Therefore, they are forced to choose who among them should be the single adoptive parent.
If legal adoption is allowed for a single LGBT individual, why can't they avail joint adoption. We know two heads are better than one so practically a gay couple is better than a single gay person on average.
NAKAKATAW TINGNAN ANG MGA CONS SIDE KASI NA-STRONG SILA TO DEPEND THEIR SIDE NGUNIT LAMABAS SA KANILANG HAND GESTURES, FACE GESTURES, BODY GESTURES AT THE THEY TALK, PARANG SALANGAT ATA. DAPAT SILA ANG ANDOON SA PRO SIDE. HIRAP TALAGA MAKIGPA-DEBATE PAG DI SURE SA SIDE AT SA SARILI
I fucking love this debate
Napunta lang talaga ako rito dahil napanood ko to sa tiktok at curios ako sa defense ng magkabilang panig.
Hahahahhaah lol same
Hello @iskoolmates i think should probably give them timers so the one who talks wouldn't get disrupted by the opposing side.
Boi, hindi ma uubos ang mga tao in the next 20 years, yung iba nga nilalagay pa sa bahay ampunan, pag inampon yun di naman mababago gender nun kung ano ba talaga sila, just because u call it marriage doesnt mean sa simbahan.
Overpopulated na nga yung mundo eh 😂
A healthy debate amongst teenagers. I'm surprised sa ganda at galing nilang ilahad ang saloobin nila, and those stutterings are acceptable given na debate naman talaga ito, not just simply public speaking. Their perspectives towards life, marriage and LGBT, etc were advanced ( I must say ) to more than half of Filipinos.
Pero mging totoo tayo, maging honest tayo, kahit gaano pa kaganda ang explanation and backup statements regarding SSM, imposible talagang maimplement yun dito sa Pinas. Siguro, ilang decades pa mula ngayon. But with the current stand of government towards LGBT, nope. na ah, walang chance.
And for me, okay lang yon. Civil union, okay na yun para sa mga LGBT couples
The Pro got the best argument.
We need to respect each individual with their decision to love who they want to love if it's a female or a male. If they want to marry the person who they want to be with for the rest of their lives. Let's support and respect it. Quick tip, think before you join this kinda stuff or topic and also think about what will you say don't just spit out words that maybe can hurt other people. K
12:36 BITCH YOU CAN ADOPT
STRAIGHT PEOPLE ANG NAGAABANDUNA SA MGA BATA SINONG MAS MAKASALANAN NGAYON HA
Very informal, anyways informative but informal siya talaga.
I think that everyone has the right to be happy, if you hinder other peoples’ happiness because they’re being who they are then you don’t deserve to happy.
Omg. I love the question, "If marriage is pro-creation, paano yong mga ba-og?"
Kaya nagiging ground for annulment Yung inability Ng Isang partner na magkaroon Ng anak.
Yeah. If it is procreation, why senior citizen women are allowed to marry?
To answer your question, marriage is mainly for the benefit of pro-creation. It is made with regards to governing laws, natural law and religion. Paano yung baog? If a married couple cannot conceive a child it is not a problem as it does not disturb nor made imbalance in the natural law. That is why couples who cannot conceive are accepted. And it also answers why a senior citizen is allowed to marry even when it cannot conceive. Marriage is for procreation but also follows natural law.
@@Leav_luna correct. Being "baog" does not violate the naturlaw law unlike same sex marriage or homosexual acts.
when the against side started to compare same-sex marriage to interfamily relationships, that is not comparable since the latter was proven to have caused negative aspects on the children and future generations of that union such as disorders. meanwhile, the prior does not.
It's like blaming gay people for interfamily relationship done by straights.
Gab nalala kita i used to do your haircut and hairstyle in fix Marikina.. so cute..
These kids wowed me!
Galing!
Same sex marriage is not just about union, its all about the rights of LGBT.
May rights naman lahat dito sa mundo. Kahit bakla. Pa yan or tomboy.
Pero pag dumating na ang panahon ng pag lilitis. Pananagutan din natin ang ating mga ginagawa.
Panahon ng paglilitis sinasabi mo so sinasabi mo being part of the lgbtq is a sin let me remind you that everyone has their own beliefs mas makasalan panga ang pagiging kabit dagil nakasaad yon sa 10 utos ng diyos so wag niyong sasabihin na pagbabayaran ng mga lgbtq dahil in the first we haven't done wrong sa paningin niyo lang male kase makikitid ang utak niyo kahit hinde naman nayuyurakan ang karapatan niyo ng pagiging part ng lgbtq ng isang individual
@@vmborabo1067 hndi kasalanan ang pagiging parte ng lgbt. Galit ang dyos sa kasalanan hndi sa makasalanan.
Basa bible para may kaalaman .
@@vmborabo1067 iba qng rules sa langit. Kasa mundo kinatatayoan natin.
Hndi mo pwding bagohin ang rules doon. .
Dito sa mundo kahit ano pwde.
Kaya nga may bible para may instruction pano mamuhay ng hndi labag sa kalooban ng Buhay na Dyos. . para sa mga taong naniniwala lng na may Dyos.
@@riskygamingchannel1437 Freedom of religion means I have the right to choose or not choose a religion. So, I have no obligation to follow your religious belief.
I do love and agree the standpoints of those debaters, stands for legalizing the same marriage. Unfortunately, nasapawan yong power Ng delivery and boses nila nong kabilang panig.
Lahat tayo ay may Pananagutan.
Gawin nyu lahat ng gusto nyung gawin.
Pero pagdating ng araw .Pananagutan natin ang ating mga ginagawa.
come on guys "LET LOVE WIN"
This is so unprofessional:
Gay Marriage ay hindi pribilehiyo, pangunahing kaalaman ito sa karapatang pantao. Bakit ang pag-aasawa ng parehong kasarian ay nakakaabala sa iyo? Hindi ito isang tradisyonal na kasal, ito ay isang kasal sa sibil. PRIVILEGE IS WHEN A RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENT AREN'T PAYING TAXES like chur- opps ☺️.
Ang relihiyon ay hindi dapat nasa politika, ang relihiyon ay dapat tratuhin bilang personal agenda hindi isang global conquest. Dictating how other people should live their live is wrong and unreasonable. This is inhumane.
Also they're putting social stigma and degrading people who's under the gender spectrum, treating community like a second class citizen because of how they we're taught to be one. LGBTQ+ are people just like us, trying to live a normal life so would you take that away?
Theological opinions are not "factual" they do NOT hold any value to truth, that is theists own truth that was thought to their religion. Whatever "according to the bible" drafts they have, in a logical and reasonable discussion, it shouldn't be use as a debate.
Social hierarchy and patriarchy has always been on people for ages, treating people differently for not being on the same page, and it's infuriating. The complexity of gender spectrum has been found on hundreds of animals but homophobia can only be found on one species, us.
That is why I leave religion, it teaches us to hate others and to be ignorant to other cultures and practices. Let's just say hell is real, I'd rather be burning than to be with Christian bigots.
Kids aren't supposed to taught by their parents or instructors how to normalize hate crime, saying that "you're going to hell for that", "God will decide" or "I'm saving you" is a holy way of saying I hate f*g**ts.
How come it becomes a special treatment when straight people already have it? Baka yung mga straight ang may privilege kasi sila lang ang nakakaavail.
Nobody’s taking your religious beliefs away from you. But let those people live the way they wanna live their lives. Period.
DAHILAN NG PAGKAWASAK NG MGA SINAUNA
Pinuksa ng Allah ang mga sinaunang Ummah o pamayanan sa pamamagitan ng iba't ibang masisidhing parusa, at narito ang ilan sa mga dahilan ng kanilang pagkawasak:
1. Ang Shirk o pagtatambal, o pagsamba sa mga diyosdiyosan maliban sa Allah.
2. Ang labis na pagmamataas at paghihimagsik ng kasamaan sa ibabaw ng lupa, tulad ng nangyari kay Fer'awn, Namroud, atbp.
3. Ang pandaraya sa pangangalakal, tulad ng nangyari sa pamayanan ni Shu'aib (as).
4. Ang Homosexual o pakikipagtalik sa parehong kasarian, tulad ng nangyari sa pamayanan ni Propeta Lut (as).
5. Ang pagiging pabaya sa katotohanan at hindi pagbabawal ng kamalian, tulad ng nangyari sa isang bayan ng mga Hudyo na naging mga unggoy at baboy.
6. Ang hindi makatarungang pagpapatupad ng batas.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Isa sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna ay kapag nagnakaw ang taong may kakayahan ay hindi pinaparusahan, at kapag ang mahina ang nagnakaw ay kanilang pinaparusahan." [Bukhari at Muslim].
7. Ang pagiging maramot.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Iwasan ninyo ang pagiging maramot, sapagkat isa ito sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna." [Muslim, Abu Daud, at Imam Ahmad].
8. Ang pagtatanong at paghiling ng mga walang kabuluhang kahilingan o katanungan.
9. Ang hindi pagsunod sa utos ng Propeta (as), at pakikipagtalo sa taong nagpapalaganap ng katotohanan.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Katotohanang isa sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna ay ang mga katanungan at kahilingang walang saysay, at ang kanilang pakikipagtalo sa mga Propeta, kaya kapag ako'y nag-utos sa inyo ay sundin na lamang inyo sa abot ng inyong makakaya, at kapag may ipinagbawal sa inyo ay inyong iwasan." [Bukhari at Muslim].
10. Ang "Ghuloww" o pagmamalabis at panunubra sa pananampalataya at mga gawaing may kinalaman sa Relihiyon, tulad ng pag-gawa ng anumang uri ng Bid'ah.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Iwasan ninyo ang Ghuloww, sapagkat ito ang naging dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna." [An-Nasaie, Ibn Majah, at Imam Ahmad].
11. Ang pakikipag kompetensya at labis na pagkahumaling sa mga makamundong bagay.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Hindi ang kahirapan ang kinatatakutan ko para sa inyo, ang kinatatakutan ko para sa inyo ay ang mabuksan sa inyo ang (lahat ng paraan upang makamtan ang) karangyaan sa mundong ito, at mag-unahan kayo rito tulad ng ginawa ng mga sinauna, at kayo ay mawasak tulad ng kanilang pagkawasak." [Bukhari at Muslim].
12. Ang paglaganap ng lantarang paggawa ng kasalanan.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Kapag naging lantad sa Ummah na ito ang paggawa ng kasalanan ay pupuksain silang lahat ng Allah sa pamamagitang ng matinding parusa." [Imam Ahmad].
At siya ay tinanong: O Sugo ng Allah; kami ba ay mawawasak kahit na may mabubuting tao? At kanyang sinabi: "Oo, kapag dumami (lumaganap) ang paggawa ng karumaldumal." [Bukhari at Muslim].
✍ Dr.Muhd-ata Abdulkarim
YES to same sex civil union 🏳️🌈❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Best debate ever
25:00 UTOT ANG DAMING BATANG INAABANDUNA NG STRAIGHT COUPLES CUTE MO HA PERO GIGIL MO KO HA
Pero mas marami pa rin ang hindi abandonado..
I am for Pro. They nailed it. Close minded for anti. Hahaha.
You can't say they are close-minded just because their opinion does not agree with yours.
@@youtubeuser8009 you can easily spot a close minded person when their arguments doesn't add up and still keep pressing on when its already debunked.
Not for being close-minded but let's assume you were assigned to the anti same-sex marriage debate? Even if you're pro or not on a personal level, there is a very small argument against same-sex marriage.
Nah ... They are just defending their piece. Di ka pa siguro naka experience Ng debate?
If you come up with reasons on why same sex marriage should not be prohibited or should not be allowed and if you look deeper in those reasons it's completely nonesense. I am a Christian myself and based of my already knowledge The Bible did not say anything specific on why same sex marriage should not be allowed. Just because the Bible only mentioned straight affection does not mean it's a sin. It is the people who are toxic enough to prohibit love from the same sex. It is not their fault that they like their same sex.
Came from tiktok and i was intrigued about the whole debate. di siguro ako tatagal dito bc of my anger issues.
27:08 yung pag babago nung expression nung Rom hahaha kakatuwa
Let people love, Walang gender sa love. Love is love.
No! Yes the world says It's Love but when it comes to God it is Abomination
Haha salot spotted. Maling maramdaman at makipag talik sa kauri baboy ka.
HELPF THIS GETS ME SO THRILLED EVERYTIME
"You cannot make a moral wrong into a civil right."
It sounds catchy, yes, but it's problematic. It basically defeats its purpose in the debate because you cannot interpret issues of today in a biblical context anyway.
sino nandito para sa written work
whoooo lucena represent
sansa, rom & justine r good debaters
Galing!
I'm all for same sex marrigae BUt the opposing team really did a great job!
religion shouldn't be used in a debate cause all of us have different religions, who are we to believe or who are we supposed to listen to if all of us has different "Bibles"
Bruh why do they talk like that 😭😭😭 cant they jus have a calm collected conversation, kaylangan pa sumigaw
35:31 yes correct di masama maging bisexual ang masama yung kapag gumawa nang masamng action
Nainis lang ako habang pinapanood toh lol. Yung con side di marunong makipag debate as they always interrupt the other party myghod. Then they just continue to justify their claims dahil ganto nakasanayan ganto dapat lol. Never ata nila cinounter yung claims ng pro side through stating facts din hahahahha kuddos to the pro side po ang gagaling niyo makipag argue 😊
Everyone is deserve to be happy
1. Bible verses shouldn't be used in debates unless the topic is related to religion.
2. Using the Family Code as a basis is somewhat pointless since the discussion is centered on amending the same law.
3. One of the reasons why marriage between "first-degree cousins" is prohibited is due to the risk of abnormalities and early death in their future offspring. So, no, it is not the same as same-sex marriage.
4. Marriage is not solely about procreation.
5. Marriage does not have its origins in religion.
6. The purpose of same-sex marriage is not solely for the "personal gratification of the individuals." Married people enjoy privileges that are not available to unmarried couples. (e.g. intestate succession)
7. Morality is subjective.
Lol doesn't mean that only a male can become a role that is like a father, who cares and gives their everything for their family, sabi nga" if you love your Children, no matter what gender you are, you will give your best as a parent, you will give everything para lng mabuhay anak mo" Walang gender and paging parent, a parent is a good role model that can shape their child into a better person for the future. Kaya nga eh may mga orphans sa pilipinas na na adopt by families and kahit na di mag ka dugo, basta alagaan mo dahil mahal mo at ipalaki mo ng mabuti, and with that you are considered as a parent. A parent is like a coach "They help you to become better".
the "di sangayon" group's rebuttals are shallow and only has one major source, religion, which is very shallow for it only takes faith.
Nako religion, UWAIN NA nga. korni ninyo eh SANSA GRABEEE KA NAPAKAGALING MOOO❤️
-Pro's napaka linaw ng punto!☺️
DAHILAN NG PAGKAWASAK NG MGA SINAUNA
Pinuksa ng Allah ang mga sinaunang Ummah o pamayanan sa pamamagitan ng iba't ibang masisidhing parusa, at narito ang ilan sa mga dahilan ng kanilang pagkawasak:
1. Ang Shirk o pagtatambal, o pagsamba sa mga diyosdiyosan maliban sa Allah.
2. Ang labis na pagmamataas at paghihimagsik ng kasamaan sa ibabaw ng lupa, tulad ng nangyari kay Fer'awn, Namroud, atbp.
3. Ang pandaraya sa pangangalakal, tulad ng nangyari sa pamayanan ni Shu'aib (as).
4. Ang Homosexual o pakikipagtalik sa parehong kasarian, tulad ng nangyari sa pamayanan ni Propeta Lut (as).
5. Ang pagiging pabaya sa katotohanan at hindi pagbabawal ng kamalian, tulad ng nangyari sa isang bayan ng mga Hudyo na naging mga unggoy at baboy.
6. Ang hindi makatarungang pagpapatupad ng batas.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Isa sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna ay kapag nagnakaw ang taong may kakayahan ay hindi pinaparusahan, at kapag ang mahina ang nagnakaw ay kanilang pinaparusahan." [Bukhari at Muslim].
7. Ang pagiging maramot.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Iwasan ninyo ang pagiging maramot, sapagkat isa ito sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna." [Muslim, Abu Daud, at Imam Ahmad].
8. Ang pagtatanong at paghiling ng mga walang kabuluhang kahilingan o katanungan.
9. Ang hindi pagsunod sa utos ng Propeta (as), at pakikipagtalo sa taong nagpapalaganap ng katotohanan.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Katotohanang isa sa mga dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna ay ang mga katanungan at kahilingang walang saysay, at ang kanilang pakikipagtalo sa mga Propeta, kaya kapag ako'y nag-utos sa inyo ay sundin na lamang inyo sa abot ng inyong makakaya, at kapag may ipinagbawal sa inyo ay inyong iwasan." [Bukhari at Muslim].
10. Ang "Ghuloww" o pagmamalabis at panunubra sa pananampalataya at mga gawaing may kinalaman sa Relihiyon, tulad ng pag-gawa ng anumang uri ng Bid'ah.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Iwasan ninyo ang Ghuloww, sapagkat ito ang naging dahilan ng pagkawasak ng mga sinauna." [An-Nasaie, Ibn Majah, at Imam Ahmad].
11. Ang pakikipag kompetensya at labis na pagkahumaling sa mga makamundong bagay.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Hindi ang kahirapan ang kinatatakutan ko para sa inyo, ang kinatatakutan ko para sa inyo ay ang mabuksan sa inyo ang (lahat ng paraan upang makamtan ang) karangyaan sa mundong ito, at mag-unahan kayo rito tulad ng ginawa ng mga sinauna, at kayo ay mawasak tulad ng kanilang pagkawasak." [Bukhari at Muslim].
12. Ang paglaganap ng lantarang paggawa ng kasalanan.
Sinabi ng Propeta (saw): "Kapag naging lantad sa Ummah na ito ang paggawa ng kasalanan ay pupuksain silang lahat ng Allah sa pamamagitang ng matinding parusa." [Imam Ahmad].
At siya ay tinanong: O Sugo ng Allah; kami ba ay mawawasak kahit na may mabubuting tao? At kanyang sinabi: "Oo, kapag dumami (lumaganap) ang paggawa ng karumaldumal." [Bukhari at Muslim].
✍ Dr.Muhd-ata Abdulkarim
Personally, I think religion or religious beliefs shouldn't be brought when it comes to debates like this one. I also don't see the essence of not approving with the Same Sex Marriage since it cannot harm other people. That's true that marriage is sacred and divine but as pointed by the debater, a "secular marriage" can be imposed wherein it doesn't need to go with the belief of religious institutions. It is stated in the 1987 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines that the government and religion are two different entities wherein government decisions don't need to respect religious beliefs so why isn't the government implementing and/or imposing the legalization of same sex marriage? Also, everything changes. Yes I mean EVERYTHING. If the definition of marriage is the union between male and female, that was before. Now is the new era, I believe that marriage should be defined as "the union between two people regardless of their race, age, and absolutely their gender/sex". Let us not limit ourselves with a single information because change is constant. We are a "Catholic Country" that's true but we are not a "Catholic Nation". Let us not sit on the OLD mindset when in fact we are the NEW generation. Kudos to the PRO'S ❤️❤️🌈
0:00 😂😂
Basta nagmamahalan kami and we believed God . Oyy huwag hypocrite bye😍😍😍
This prove how dumb I am 😂
Ever individual should be given a right to decide for themselves to act the way they are.Not just because your god said it's not accepted doesn't mean you will use it to control someone else's life,you should not control someone nor let someone control you.Remember in this world we have different religions and beliefs and all you need to do is to respect others and stick on your beliefs without harming one another.
tanginamo bading ka lang eh
@@liaxeveradelamen5104 opps looks like someone is mad 🤭
But there is only one reality. LGBTQ people are not rooted in reality. Look up gender dysphoria.
The question about whether allowing same sex marriage affects the children or not. The answer of the opposing side is it not a misogynist mindset?? Thinking that a women can never/only imitate the role of a “father” within a relationship between a man and a woman.
Lastly, when the side that is for same sex marriage states that unions/marriages date back to even before religion and the opposing side changed her words (they said that even before religion, marriages were by a man and a woman when in fact she didn’t mention anything about gender and only stated that a union of two people,
All I can say is that from this debate, we just move in trying to promote same sex marriage and just advocate and appeal for civil unions that has all the rights of a married man and woman while still not being a marriage since they wouldn’t understand and listen to what we are saying.
Also the opposing side kept on stating that they are trying to preserve the so called “sanctity” of marriage (which is a social construct) and not disrespecting or discriminating against homosexual people while trying to do so hinders and restricts lgbtia+ from equal rights
The opposing side was also very hypocritical, they criticize the examples and analogies of the other side while also providing a flawed analogy which was in no way related to the debate (when they said that if love was their basis then would it not be ok if you had a relationship with your cousin)
thank you tiktok for linking me here. hahahaja
omg the moment i saw this ph debate about same sex marriage i know someone would put bible verses on a debate lmao what
4 years ago but Sansa slayed
Hahaha kahit nag sasalita pa yung speaker sumasambat;-; hahaha that's crazy
Pero Hindi ba mas uunlad ang bansa pag napatupad ang same sex marriage? Mas marami ang Pros kasya sa cons? Pag napatupad same sex marriage, magkakaroon ng pag unlad sa ekonimya ng pilipinas, mas madadagdagan ang employment na magccater sa mga taong magpapakasal na lgbtq, tulad ng mga Doctor and lawyers, pag nangyari yun maiiwasan ang brain drain ng pinas, at pag napatupad toh pwede rin mawala maibsan ang poverty sa paraan ng pag adopt ng mga lgbtq couples sa mga batang walang magulang o di Lang kayang arugain ng magulang, also it would fix our overpopulation problem which is one of the main sources of poverty other than teen pregnancy, totoong sacrilegious ang kasal which is based on and influenced by Christian law, Kung ganon pwedeng isang Union nalang ng 2 Tao dahil ang iba Lang naman is pag kinasal ka sa simbahan you are joined together in the eyes of church, at Kung sa government ang paraan ng pagkasal, kasal kayo sa mata ng gobyerno, ang problema dito is Heterosexual couples have the option of being able to get married with the approval of the state and the church while LGBTQ only gets the approval of state which still equates this problem to discrimination. Sa tingin ko po maayos lng po ang problema na toh pag iniba o binago ng church or people's beliefs ang kanilang mga pananaw and laws.
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@@fiebz3835 union po ang usapan, hindi po sexual intercourse, kung namomonitor ng gobyerno ang gay marriages (kung magkakaroon man) malaki ang chance na makokontrol at mas mapagtutuunan nila ng pansin ang mga sexually transmitted diseases more than before. Kayo po yung type ng homophobic na pag inisip na LGBT puro mga nagssex kaagad, ang laswa po ng isip niyo.
@@loiscremdo5873 bakit mguunion nga e prehas nga kaung may espada in the end of the day companionship ung relasyon nyo kasi aalagaan nyo ung isa't isa
@@Nick-wh5mc pati mga straight nagkakaroon non. Wala sa sexuality ang hiv
@@Nick-wh5mc madami akong nakita na same sex couples na masaya parin hanggang ngayon. Daming straights na Di masaya sa kasal nila lmao. Di base sa gender ang pagiging magulang. May nanay at tatay ka nga Di ka naman inaalagaan ng maayos 🙃
Magaling ang pagsasagawa ng dalawang panig malinis at maayos ang argumento nila, para sa aking opinyon sumasang-ayon ako dito sa same sex marriage sapagkat na hindi natin magpipigilan ang dalawang tao nagmamahalan kahit alam naman natin ginawa lamang ng diyos ay babae at lalake, sa ibang bansa unang naimprobahan ito pero wala naman tumanggi bakit dito din gawin natin dito para maging pantay pantay ang tingin nating Pilipino, nasa kanila na lang ito kung gagawin nila ito na masama o mabuti.
Further to this, same-sex practice is specifically highlighted as sinful a number of times in Scripture. In God’s Law, for example, condemnations of same-sex practice are given in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. Further references are made in the New Testament. For example, in Romans 1:24-32, amid echoes to the Genesis creation account, both male and female same-sex practice are treated as sinful. Further references to the sinfulness of same-sex practice can be seen in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10. Who is your God?