is this a proper debate? it doesn't look that way though. This is more like an exchange of ideas without a legal basis to support their claims. Plus, why is it necessary to raise so much voice when you can deliver your ideas calmly, right? hashsahsahahshash
Wala kasing panel, kumbaga nagbabatuhan lang sila ng ideas at knowledge na mayroon sila, tapos bahala na kung sinong magmumukhang panalo HAHAHAHAHAHA. Pero magandang way iyan upang matuto sila, hindi nga lang decent tingnan.
Looks like Malaysian Parliament to me sometimes na nakipagbardagulan ang mga representatives sa loob ng parliament including one representative (from Kinabatangan) na nagsabi ng F-word during their session 😆
Dude Rizal presented the stimulus, Bonifacio made the reaction. Both heroes. Period. Edit: Thank you for the likes people, yes this is my opinion regarding the topic, I just made a conclusion sa overall debate na nagoccur. In addition, I don't think na need ng debate in the case of national heroes since every individual contributed, small or in large amounts. Ps. Thank you again people ❤️️❤️
guys, this is NOT how a proper debate should be done. you attack the argument, not the person. pero in the first place, dapat hindi na ginawang tanong iyan kasi sobrang subjective at maraming pambansang bayani sa pilipinas. wala ngang kinikilalang "ultimate" kuno na national hero sa bansa (correct me if i'm wrong, thank u)
No. Debates exist because of subjective questions. If there is nothing contentious, what's the point of a debate? You're right to say that the Philippines has numerous national heroes. In this debate, it was supposed to be a debate on who is considered more of a hero between the two. In debates, there is no "sitting on the fence". You have to pick a side. The problem in this debate (and the act of debating in the Philippines) is this was very unprofessional. Jasmine's introduction already showcases the toxic nature of debate that is present in the Philippines; the belief that by raising your voice, you are putting up a brave façade. However, raising voices never signify confidence. Even the best debators can win an argument without raising their voices. It was very obvious that these students were simply capitalised on. The debate was structured as though it was meant for entertainment and not knowledge acquisition and academic discussion. They are committing the worst kind of fallacy in a debate; argumentum ad hominem - where they resort to attacking the individual because they don't actually have any factual knowledge or reference to support their counter-argument.
@Whos Who? national heros aren't the only heroes tho, they're considered "national" because they're more mainstream than the others. It's like Hollywood is more popular than school shootings that's why USA is called the home of Hollywood
@Whos Who? We're not talking about who do YOU want to be our national hero. Hindi pa si Rizal dahil WALA PANG OFFICIAL na pambansang bayani. We are talking about the OFFICIAL. Hindi Yung kung sino lang ang kinikilala ng karamihan. So meaning HINDI PA SI Rizal ang ating OFFICIAL NATIONAL HERO. And yeah, I'm a fan of Rizal too and he is my national hero but Wala tayong magagawa dahil hindi pa siya ang hinirang.
@@shaillamaeb.revilla7949 True, wala pa tayong OFFICIAL na National Hero. Nde ata alam ni Who's who. Ang problema kase ay tinuturo ng mga School sa mga bata na si Jose Rizal ang "National Hero" naten.
Ilang beses nako sumali sa debate, 3 beses na din nag champion but this is not considered as debate specially with no time limit, just student bursting out their opinions, pero nakakatuwa kasi ganto nasa isip ko pag nababara nako sa rebuttal LOL
Ad Hominem, they uses fallacy that should be avoided in debate. This debate is more bardagulan, HAHAHAHA grabe yung binabatong argumento, "sa library nakaimbak" at "ang mentalidad mong ganyan" HAHAHA. Ps: please argue calmly, and state your points with substance and make it clearly
the choice of words of some of the students :(( state facts but do not go to the point that you'll understimate a person's efforts for the country just to make their side win. :(( skskskskks
@@uwueyow5663 haha debate should be backed up with legal arguments and basis, hindi parang bangayan lang sa kanto. Especially that this debate is in the school setting.
@@Lftarded Afaik, this is actually scripted. Ang sumulat ng arguments are teachers sa Araling Panlipunan and they repeatedly practiced this. Edit: Program/classmate ko ‘yung tatlo sa’kanila 😂
i like how the TEAM RIZAL defend their hereos by just being calm. sigaw lang naman ginawa nung taga boni eh atsaka abt sa sinabi na na stuck sa library baket sa tingin mo? kahit malaya na ang mga Pilipino nandon parin yung akda ni rizal dahil sumisimbulo ito as a legacy.
The topic is not debatable. Both of them exhibited a tremendous nationalistic concern and choosing the better one is like comparing Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton in terms of intelligence and contributions. In their own ways, Rizal and Bonifacio only had one goal. They both want liberty from the two invasive countries.
Kaya nga eh HAHAHAHA. Something reminds me na may pinapanood akong debate eh but in parliamentary form na doon sa Malaysia kahit yung isang representative eh nagsabi ng F-word sa public 😂
27:10 Wtf gurl?! Naka imbak lang ang mga nobela ni rizal sa library? FYI Rizal was a remarkable novelist who helped many people to awake and enlightened their spirits to be brave and to fight for freedom. That thing should be valued more than a gold! Ugg what a useless debate a school has😒
Baka magulat siya na iyong "El Amor Patrio" ni Rizal na tinagalog ni Del Pilar ay siyang basehan ng "Pag-ibig sa Tinubuang Lupa" ni Bonifacio. (Basahin ang "Ang Pag-ibig sa Bayan ni Andres Bonifacio" na akda ni Virgilio Almario. UST Press, 2012)
Bonifacio has a great respect for Doctor Jose Rizal. At para sa lahat si Dr. Jose Rizal ang naging inspirasyon ng katipunan ni Bonifacio. Its not about "pen" vs "itak", Kahit siguro tanungin natin si bonifacio, si Dr Jose Rizal ang ituturo niya
May mga historyador na nakapagsaliksik na hindi ninais ni Rizal na palayain ang mga Pilipino sa pananakop ng mga kastila, ginusto niya lamang na maging pantay ang pagtingin sa mga Pilipino kumpara sa ibang lahi na nanirahan dito sa Pilipinas. Pumunta si Rizal sa Espaniya para pakiusapan ang Hari nito para gawin pantay ang pagtrato ng mga Kastila sa Pilipino, pero hindi ang pagbibigay ng kalayaan sa mga Pilipino. Sa madaling sabi, ang ninais niya ay pantay na pagtrato at pagtingin lamang sa Pilipino, pero hindi ang ganap at opisyal na kayaan laban sa mga Kastila. Si Bonifacio ang may nais na magkaroon ng ganap na kalayaan ang mga Pilipino. Dahas ang paraan para mapaalis ang mananakop. Ilang mananakop ang sumakop sa Pilipinas, at nakatulong nang mas higit ang dahas para lumaban nang buong tapang sa mga mapangabusong mananakop. Kung susuriin mo, ang naisin na gano'n ba ni Rizal ang isang naisin ng Bayani?
sorry but for this debate walang nanalo at talo. why? bec. when it comes to debate you have legal basis to make your argument true and strong! But for this they only stating their opinions and expressions which is wrong
exactly! sa isang debate di nakakapaniwala kapag ang mga pahayag ay purong opinyon lang. katulad nung sinabi nung babae na nasa library lang daw ang nobela ni Rizal which is mali dahil sinabi sa batas na kailangan itong gawing kultura upang ituro sa Gr 9 to 10
gUrl do not ever underestimate the power of writing and reading. The “saan ba nakaambak ang mga nobela ni rizal diba sa library lang” uhhmm...nah.. the fact that team rizal cant express their opinion because the other team keep speaking without listening to others that’s why they don’t notice some of the words they said doesn’t make sense at all. (I’m not being bias bruh-)
@@bataojillianriennarsili.2291 not really, most of the debate videos i've seen so far has its time limit for each team to express their argument clearly without interruption and the same with the opposite team.
Paano daw kung walang nagtranslate? When I was an SHS student one of my teacher told me na ang mga akda ni Rizal ay nakasulat sa Espanyol sapagkat hindi ito para sa mga Filipino. Ito ay para sa Hari ng Spain.
I also remember aside from the reasoning na gusto nita mabas agad ito ng spanish high autorities, the publication was rough. If it was written in in our language, tagalog, it won't be published much or it can be even be discovered immediately by spanish easily OR EVEN STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. aside from that is financial problem and also tinulungan lang siya magpublish and his books being written in spanish will also result to more copies of publication. It was also mentioned that Rizal is more fluent in spanish than tagalog.
@@pandabear8801 Yes ayun din ang pagkakaalala ko. If Jose Rizal wrote his books in Filipino, it won't be published kasi di inaallow ng pamahalaan noon ang any books written in Filipino to be spread.
Yung keyboard warrior ka tapos bigla kang napasabak sa debate. nakakalungkot siya panoorin kasi dito nagrereflect ang education system ng bansa natin pero to answer, Rizal is one of my favorite heroes pero for the sake of debate, I’ll take Bonifacio’s side here. Although wala namang mandato sa constitution na isa lang ang National Hero natin dahil lahat ng bayani ay national hero. Rizal was one of the founders of La Liga Filipina at sumali si Bonifacio doon. Ang layunin ng LLG ay maging autonomous ang Pilipinas sa España, noong pananakop kasi ng mga dayuhan, itinuturing na probinsya ng España ang Pilipinas. Ang gusto mangyari ni Rizal, magkaroon ng annexation. Nainspire si Bonifacio sa kanya pero sa kanya unang nagkaroon ng konsepto ng kalayaan at demokratikong rebolusyon. Itinatag niya ang Katipunan na masasabi nating kauna-unahang government system sa bansa na may layuning palayasin ang mga mananakop sa pamamagitan ng rebolusyon tapos nagsanga-sanga sa iba’t ibang bahagi ng Luzon. Maraming naging rebolusyon laban sa España pero kadalasan, tungkol sa enconmienda o sekularisasyon. Kay Bonifacio lang nagsimula ang complete overthrow ng Espanyol. Pero tunay nga na nakakadepress pag-aralan ang kasaysayan ng Pilipinas dahil bukod sa namatay si Bonifacio sa kamay ng kapwa Pilipino, hindi tayo ang dahilan kung bakit tayo binitawan ng Espanyol. Matatandaan na binenta tayo ng Spain sa Amerika sa pamamagitan ng mock Battle of Manila. Ginawa tayong premyo sa isang pustahan ng dalawang bansa
Nakakalungkot lang na natalo yung Pilipinas nung nakipaglaban mga ninuno natin sa Amerika. Kung di lang talaga naging corrupt yung naging gobyerno ni Pres. Aguinaldo, nagkaroon pa ng pagkakataong walang Americanization ang bansa.
Hi, I know it's been two years na pero I am still interested in this topic. Sa tingin ko at may posibilidad na malaki ang epekto nung mga failed attempts ng Pilipinas na makamit ang kalayaan nung kapanahunan niya sa naging mindset ni Rizal. Napagtanto ni Rizal na hindi pa tayo handa, marahil dahil sa kakulangan ng pagkakaisa at upang hindi na dumanak ang dugo ng mga kapwa nating Pilipino.
Mga novels ni Rizal served as eye opener to the filipinos. Sila rin ‘yong reason kung bakit sumali ang mga tao sa revolutionary groups, such as La Liga and Katipunan. Kung hindi sya nagsulat ng mga nobela, hindi malalaman ng mga pilipino kung gaano sila ka argabyado sa mga espanyol. And sa students na nag sabing books “lang” nagawa ni Rizal, you should not underestimate literature as it was the key for revolution. And why shame heros when they’ve done things that led us to have an independent country.
I was disappointed about the works of Jose Rizal being in the library. Rizal's work are significant in Philippine history because he is the one who enlighted people to fight against the Spaniards including Andres Bonifacio. This debate is just like a childish fight in where children just shout at each other angrily. Please before you post something make sure that it is good and worth it because of this I do not think that I will or will ever be able to let anyone go to this school. I am very disappointed. Kindly teach your students how to properly debate if you plan on posting this on any social media. I applaud the team Rizal because they debated more calmly than team Bonifacio.
the fck is this shiit this isn't even a debate lmfao! at kung tagalog tagalog kung ingles ingles hindi taglish improper kasama din ba ang pag raise ng voice? lmfao pataasan na ng boses sa debate?hahahaha
Jose Rizal became the national hero because he fought for feedom in a silent but powerful way.He expressed his love for the Philippines through his novels and articles rather the use of force or aaggression.He was a verry amazing person at his time.Again there is should be no competition as to who is better or greater between the two hereos.They choose different paths,but both genuinely dedicated their lives to our country.The Philippines would not be the same without this two great mens.Rizal's weapon was the pen,Bonifacio's the bolo.Whether the pen is indeed mightier than the sword,what is essential is that both men fought for the country with all their capabilities and skills.
We should understand that they are forced only to defend one side. This somewhat blocks us finding a compromise. If it were a debate with no rules we can conclude that 2 heroes are needed to solve the equation for the start of Philippine independence.
They had their agruments, pero we should not discourage them din (per comments). These are "kabataan", and to be very honest - they are smart and brave ones.. Imagine their references, they came prepared diba. I like seeing more of this sa schools kesa sa mga other events na ginagastusan pero wala naman natututunan ang mga estudyante. 👏 Kudos to this boy, Jhan - ikaw manok ko. HAHAHAHA pero you all, did greaaat!!! 👏👏❤
Maraming mga debaters ang nagdedebate ng mahinahon at may factual evidences and kabataan din sila. Bakit di nila kayang gawin yun? It's not an excuse para hindi magsalita ng may respeto.
They were teaching spanish in school before tho. Not up for debate, only here to share some stuffs I've learned. Rizal wrote those novels to open the minds of the Filipinos, to make them realize what the spaniards were doing. Prolly those who weren't able to go to school needed translation, however, the elites/illustrados understood it. Thus, they started to make something. They were called mga propagandista, and they made their moves by writing. Bonifacio was inspired by it, but he might have thought that it wasn't enough, which is why he started kkk. They decided to fight with strength, power, and the people. Through this, even the so-called "indios" before were able to join the organization. They fought against the colonizers for our freedom. It was praiseworthy, their bravery and patriotism are topnotch, they did it for country even though they knew they might die in the battle. Filipinos should be truly grateful for them. Rizal instigated it, Bonifacio continued the legacy. Both are heroes. Periodt. Edit: Rizal is our national hero. This shouldn't be up for debate. There's a reason why the subject called Life and Works of Rizal is a prerequisite for graduation. Maybe people should try to internalize the whole thing.
I agree. I was kinda pissed when they said that most Filipinos didn't understand Spanish. I was like "uhmm..not really". The guy from the Rizal group even said it himself that since Philippines have been colonized for 333 years, Filipinos are no stranger to the language especially those who go to schools or are educated. Even Bonifacio learned to speak.
@@rolandvelasco3688 i know, which part did I say that all Filipinos had spanish education? Rizal was born rich, however, things happened. He also experienced discrimination at the university because the Spaniards were ofc prioritizing Spaniards, but he persevered and made it through the end. Later on, he helped his countrymen with the power of knowledge.
@@rosev6052 you literally said they were teaching Spanish in schools though and it’s not up for debate, miss girl. You generalized and trying to say that everyone has an access to the same education as rizal. And he left and traveled the world before even going to Spain to study optometry. He was a drunk and a player fucking females in every ports. Lmfaoo. And he may have been discriminated as some of us are still enduring today here on today’s day and age, he graduated and had an education and privilege most Filipinos didn’t have before. He left his home country to escape the same faith his fellow country men were enduring because he can and he was privileged. He made a toast with his fellow friends including Luna to end the patriarchal society in the Philippines not even caring if his parents and family will be murdered by the Spaniards because he wants to be renowned. Yes he did start the idea of revolution but he did it for his selfish reasons 😂. Please.
Hi, mag share lang rin po ako ng nalalaman ko. Correct me if I'm wrong pero sa pagkakaalam ko, si Bonifacio ay naging miyembro ng La Liga Filipina, isang organisasyong tinatag ni Rizal na ginagamit ang istilo niya, ang pagsusulat at panghihikayat sa mga nakababasa. Noong dakpin si Rizal, nahati ang grupo, ang isa ay tinuloy ang pagsusulat sa pag-asang marinig ang ating panawagan, ang grupong ito ay tinawag na La Solidaridad. Ang kabila naman ay ang Katipunan na tinatag nila Bonifacio, ang layunin naman nito ay makamit ang total independence kung saan hindi na kolonya ng Espanya ang Pilipinas. Sinuportahan ni Bonifacio ang ideya ni Rizal ngunit noong ito ay madakip, napagtanto niyang hindi tayo ituturing na kapantay ng Espanya, dahil para sa kanila, mababang uri ng nilalang ang mga Pilipino. Dagdag ko lang rin, about sa edit mo na hindi up for debate ang pagiging national hero ni Rizal, medyo disagree rin ako sa part na yun kasi the best "national hero" is subjective rin kasi, depende na lang yun sa paniniwala ng isang tao which is the whole reason for a debate, para magkaroon ng discussion. Also di ko pa napapanood yung full video but the Bonifacio team could have added that the Americans are the ones who appointed Rizal as the national hero, pwede nilang ibato yun sa kalaban by saying na gusto ng mga Amerikano na magkaroon tayo ng national hero na hindi direktang lumalaban, maaring upang hindi tayo mag-aklas laban sa kanila. Just some thoughts lang po.
Nakakalungkot dahil maraming nakakakilala kay Rizal pero, kaunti lang man ang tunay na nakakakilala sa mga pinaglaban niya at mga ginawa niya. Kilala lang si Rizal bilang pambansang bayani. Sana basahin niyo rin yung mga sinulat nya
Tama ka napaka lalim ng pinahihiwatig don di un maiintindihan pag di mu iintindihin ng maayos dahil di naman un sinulat sa nangyari sa panahon nya kundi dahil un sa mga nangyari sa kapwa nating hebrew na sinakop ng romano
Nakakatawa yung babaeng nag sabing Natambak/naimbak lang sa Library yung mga sinulat ni Rizal. HAHAHAHA gurl nag acting kami sa harap nung g10 ng Noli HAHAHAH
feeling ko wla lang choice ung team boni na napunta sa kanila ung bonifacio as pambansang bayani. We all know naman na dahas is not a good means to fight for something na ipaglalaban mo. Rizal used a very creative way to fight for the country and this can be used as a model ng kabataan ngayon, dahas is always not an option.
Panget ng debate. Wala man lang binibigay na factual information, kanino galing, sino sumusulat mga ganon. Tapos nagsisigawan. Puro opinion lang pinagsasabi nila.
I know where you guys are coming from na nagagalit kayo how the debate was done. But you need to admit also that once in your life nangyari narin yan sa inyo sa school yung nagpadebate yung teacher nyo then sigawan kayo just to have the satisfaction na mas tama kayo. Ganon talaga eh hinde sya formal debate more likely impromptu na kumuha lang sila na gustong sumali. The use of fallacies and unsupported facts na mema nalang para lang may masabi. Pero I'm not tolerating yan ha para kasing siraan ng bayani eh. Pero part yan ng learning process nangyayari talaga yan and as we aged mas nagiging careful na tayo sa arguments natin lalo na if gusto nating manalo. Peace
What's wrong with this? Both teams try to discredit the contributions of both Heroes saying that one is greater than the other. What's sad is that we're encouraging this. It's commendable that we try to remember these sacrifices but to say that one is greater than the other? That's what's awkward. So awkward that it's almost insulting. Plus, this isn't how a debate is done.
Sana yung pinag-debatihan nalang ay yung pagiging reformist ni Rizal at revolutionist ni Bonifacio. Mas maayos pa ‘yon kasi imbes na sa titulo ng “National Hero”, makikita ng parehong sides yung different thoughts ng dalawang bayani.
27:12, hmmm. Ang point nung nobela is to make a pov sa Westerners especially Spain about the state of the Philippines. Kung iisipin mo, ‘di siya naging successful sa aspetong iyon; subalit dapat na matandaan na marami tayong mga bayaning marunong mag-Kastila. Ang pinakakontribusyon niya ay ang pagrepresenta sa ating mga Pilipino sa Kanluranin. Pero hanggang doon na nga lang ba ang naging kontribusyon ni Gat Jose Rizal? Hindi. Siya ang namuno sa mga Ilustrado noon para magkaroon ng reporma sa pamahalaan ng bansa. La Liga Filipina is an example, naging member din si Bonifacio doon. Kaya lang, aaminin ko. Hindi ito ang pinakamagandang paraan upang makalaya ang bansa. Kaya naman kung titignan natin si Rizal bilang bayani, ang masasabi ko’y hindi niya gustong harapin na ang totoong magpapalaya sa atin ay isang giyera. Yaon ang napagtanto ni Bonifacio. Kaya kung saang panig ka man, alamin mo muna yung strengths niya
20:47 dito nag simula ang hindi pinapatapos ang speaker.... hai nako! how rude! (dapat kasi each participant makapag salita, hindi kina cut-off mo... kami mga audience na co-confuse kung kanino kami makikinig)
Actually, hindi lang mahina ang arguments nila, mas lalo pang lumalayo sila sa initial na prompt. Basically, this is just a battle between kung sino ang pinakamalakas, 95% kasi audience impact.
I love the approach of Team Rizal ❤️it's really calm and you can see that they are really aware to something that they want to share. Sa debate sa bawat ibabato mong salita dapat ito ay legible or tunay na makatotohan but if it's only base on our opinions makapagbabato na tayo minsan ng mga salitang kulang sa kaalaman..like the "library thing" and we all know it's not true right? Honestly A.Bonifacio and Jose Rizal can be a national hero they can be both , dahas man o pluma, o kahit san mang paraan hanggat nagpapakita ito ng tunay na pagmamahal sa bayan at may layunin na naaayon sa puso, isip at diwa para sa bayan para sa ating mahal na Pilipinas ito pa rin ay isang malaking ambag para sa kaunlaran ng Pilipinas and we understand it's a debate so be it but we must know that how important the efforts and sacrifices of Jose Rizal and A.Bonifacio.❤️Let's appreciate them both. Btw good job to those students they show us na hindi pa huli ang lahat they show their hearts and knowledge about the country and we know marami pa rin sa atin ang kulang sa karunungan tungkol sa bansa they show us that there's still hope ...sa ating mga kabataan❤️
Lol Jose Rizal was an Oligarch and incestuous and is not the Philippines official National HERO..... Bonifacio was the game changer and the mover of Philippine revolution. " Success is 10 percent "Inspiration" and 90 percent "Perspiration" = rizal was just 10 percent of the Philippine revolution against the Spaniards, while Bonifacio was 90 percent of it... So who deserves to be the NAtional Hero??? Go figure.... Mark Zuckerberg never built Facebook just by writing about it as an Idea, HE ACTED and FOUGHT his way into REALIZING IT.... FACT and TRUTH!!!
AWIT NAMAN SA MGA COMMENTS HAHAHAHA SILA HO LAMANG AY GRADE9 STUDENTS AND PINILI LANG HO SILA BY THAT TIME, HOURS LANG ANG PREPARATION. AND NAKALABAN KO HO ANG ISA SA MGA JAN NUNG GRADE10 AT NAKAKATAKOT NA PO SIYA NOW HAHAHAHAHSHA THEY'RE NY BATCHMATES BTW.
they're just sharing their opinions. totoo naman e na they don't know how to debate properly. the main purpose of debate is to showcase your argument to move the masses e itong debate na ito? is this some sort of peasant joke? also paki educate yung babae na nagsabing naka imbak lang sa library yung mga isinulat ni Rizal. Rizal fought for freedom in a silent but powerful way. sobrang pangit din ng topic na binigay, there should be no competetion as to who is greater or better between the two heroes, hindi pinaghandaan masyado ata. very cheap debate, low class, walang substance, hindi man lang ata sila nagbasa, ayan pa isa sa importance ng mga libro, for us to have more knowledge hindi para iimbak lang sa library. puro emosyon pinairal ang pangit ng argumento nila. cringe sobra, grr.
grade 9 na pero makikitid pa utak lalo na nung nasa boni dinadala sa iyak, anong awards tinutukoy mo? sa acting ba? hahaha pakisabi sa mga teacher ng school nyo sayang sweldo nila halatang pinabasa lang ng history books e HAHAHA
TAMA BA YORN I COMPARE NYO YUNG REFORMIST AND REVOLUTIONARIST? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA Sana okay lang po lungs nyo. Well I mean, the concept of having a national identity was taught by Americans who believes that we need help to have one. Children those two people fought for our country in a very different way. HAHAHAHAAAHA pero opo trotropahin po.
A very improper debate, I already saw this video way back I was in Senior High School, and now that I'm already a 1st year College taking up Education as a Major, I am now capable to say that the words being uttered in this debate were purely just noise and a little bit of information. People defending Bonifacio really said "Ano ba ang ginawa ni Rizal?" and the crowd still hypes the person, hahahaha and there's no correct management in the panel or the one who runs the debate.
Katalinuhan o Dahas man, parehas lang yang importanteng ginamit ng ating mga bayani. Iba-iba man ang paraan o katangian pero nasa iisang mithiin pa din ang gusto nating makamit noon, ang kalayaan... i think this is not a debate but sharing ideas about the topic. Masyado lang napairal ang emosyon kaya nag mukang nagtatalo. Pero wala naman talagang dapat pagtalunan. Kuddos! Ang gagaling nyo..
Kung wala si Ka ANDRES BONIFACIO, magugunaw ang Katagalugang wika. Kung wala si Gat JOSE RIZAL, hindi mo na mag-uling maririnig ang Chavacano at Bicol. Mabuhay silang dalawa na Anak ng Bayan. 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭🇰🇿🇰🇿🇺🇿🇺🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇹🇷🇹🇷💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙🐺🐺🤘🤘❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Sa aking palagay kaya sinulat ni rizal ang kanya aklat gamit ang iba't ibang banyagang salita upang lubos maunawaan ng ibang bansa ang panig na pinaglalaban natin at malaman ang kahirapan at discriminasyon na ginagawa ng mga Español.
Huwag bumase lamang sa libro para di mag mukang nag manarunong/mang mang. Dahil hindi lahat ng nasa libro (ph history) ay tunay o ang katotohanan. Dahil may mga pangyayari na hindi naisulat sa libro/pahina na tanging iilan lamang ang tunay na nakakaalam at ang tawag dito ay history conspiracy.
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is this a proper debate? it doesn't look that way though. This is more like an exchange of ideas without a legal basis to support their claims. Plus, why is it necessary to raise so much voice when you can deliver your ideas calmly, right? hashsahsahahshash
Yaan mo na, part ng learning process yan.
edit: Binabawi ko na, ang low-class ng argumento
Wala kasing panel, kumbaga nagbabatuhan lang sila ng ideas at knowledge na mayroon sila, tapos bahala na kung sinong magmumukhang panalo HAHAHAHAHAHA. Pero magandang way iyan upang matuto sila, hindi nga lang decent tingnan.
truee tapos natatawa ako ron sa nagsabi na naimbak lang daw gawa ni rizal sa library.
true po
@@hesper7354 well, I think the organizers of this event should have made it more proper with adjudicators and moderators, right?
Kairita ung isang babae puro sigaw hahahaha di porket malakas na malakas boses mo maganda na argumento mo
TRUE HAHAHAHA ANTANGA EH DINAAN SA SIGAW
It's more of BARDAGULAN than a debate😆
HAHAHAHA LEGIT MAMAYA MAG SUSUNTUKAN NA MGA YAN🤣
@@elviehipona2383 😆
its bardagulan in Philippines
@@boulevardballs6709 lol
Looks like Malaysian Parliament to me sometimes na nakipagbardagulan ang mga representatives sa loob ng parliament including one representative (from Kinabatangan) na nagsabi ng F-word during their session 😆
~~~fliptop vibes~~~
Nakikidebate pala si H2WO noon boss Nico 12:00
gagagag
Ahahhahahaha
Bobo ka talaga
Can agree
Unhealthy debate. Hindi man lang pinapatapos yung nagsasalita. Carried by their emotions.
Just like a f*cking Kid fight. 😂
Para namn kaya mong gawi yan
Ge
Ahahahahhaha expect na yan highschool eh
True..
Anyare haha inggit ka lng Marker haha
Dude Rizal presented the stimulus, Bonifacio made the reaction. Both heroes. Period.
Edit: Thank you for the likes people, yes this is my opinion regarding the topic, I just made a conclusion sa overall debate na nagoccur. In addition, I don't think na need ng debate in the case of national heroes since every individual contributed, small or in large amounts.
Ps. Thank you again people ❤️️❤️
FACT💯
Debate po yan
As much i respect your opinion, its called a debate for a reason hahahaha
Thank you ka jan? *Ulol!*
Dislike 👎👎
@@typhoonnamikaze1567 ahahaha love you bro ❤️
guys, this is NOT how a proper debate should be done. you attack the argument, not the person.
pero in the first place, dapat hindi na ginawang tanong iyan kasi sobrang subjective at maraming pambansang bayani sa pilipinas. wala ngang kinikilalang "ultimate" kuno na national hero sa bansa (correct me if i'm wrong, thank u)
No. Debates exist because of subjective questions. If there is nothing contentious, what's the point of a debate? You're right to say that the Philippines has numerous national heroes. In this debate, it was supposed to be a debate on who is considered more of a hero between the two. In debates, there is no "sitting on the fence". You have to pick a side.
The problem in this debate (and the act of debating in the Philippines) is this was very unprofessional. Jasmine's introduction already showcases the toxic nature of debate that is present in the Philippines; the belief that by raising your voice, you are putting up a brave façade. However, raising voices never signify confidence. Even the best debators can win an argument without raising their voices.
It was very obvious that these students were simply capitalised on. The debate was structured as though it was meant for entertainment and not knowledge acquisition and academic discussion. They are committing the worst kind of fallacy in a debate; argumentum ad hominem - where they resort to attacking the individual because they don't actually have any factual knowledge or reference to support their counter-argument.
@Whos Who? national heros aren't the only heroes tho, they're considered "national" because they're more mainstream than the others.
It's like Hollywood is more popular than school shootings that's why USA is called the home of Hollywood
@Whos Who? ahh, you mean "pambansang" bayani. I thought you said Rizal was the only hero and the others are just pawns, my bad
@Whos Who? We're not talking about who do YOU want to be our national hero. Hindi pa si Rizal dahil WALA PANG OFFICIAL na pambansang bayani. We are talking about the OFFICIAL. Hindi Yung kung sino lang ang kinikilala ng karamihan. So meaning HINDI PA SI Rizal ang ating OFFICIAL NATIONAL HERO. And yeah, I'm a fan of Rizal too and he is my national hero but Wala tayong magagawa dahil hindi pa siya ang hinirang.
@@shaillamaeb.revilla7949 True, wala pa tayong OFFICIAL na National Hero. Nde ata alam ni Who's who.
Ang problema kase ay tinuturo ng mga School sa mga bata na si Jose Rizal ang "National Hero" naten.
Ilang beses nako sumali sa debate, 3 beses na din nag champion but this is not considered as debate specially with no time limit, just student bursting out their opinions, pero nakakatuwa kasi ganto nasa isip ko pag nababara nako sa rebuttal LOL
then wala pang source. puro opinions hayst
Ad Hominem, they uses fallacy that should be avoided in debate. This debate is more bardagulan, HAHAHAHA grabe yung binabatong argumento, "sa library nakaimbak" at "ang mentalidad mong ganyan" HAHAHA.
Ps: please argue calmly, and state your points with substance and make it clearly
Ad hominem and red herring
Siraulo yung library part HAHAHAHAH
TRUE AHAWHAHHAW
true, ambobo ng rebut amputa HAHAHAHA
Legit, if you'll rewatch the start, base sa bg, journalist pa siya, hays.
True ambobo lang
Time lapse?
the choice of words of some of the students :(( state facts but do not go to the point that you'll understimate a person's efforts for the country just to make their side win. :(( skskskskks
Eh ano pang point debate ganyan talaga yan kung ano nabigay sayo ipagtanggol mo hindi yung sasabihin mo na parehas silang bayani
@@uwueyow5663 haha debate should be backed up with legal arguments and basis, hindi parang bangayan lang sa kanto. Especially that this debate is in the school setting.
@@uwueyow5663 Im sorry, Is that even a debate? Its more like a bardagulan for me
@@cyryhlgutlay9905 dapat kasi may script
@@Lftarded Afaik, this is actually scripted. Ang sumulat ng arguments are teachers sa Araling Panlipunan and they repeatedly practiced this.
Edit: Program/classmate ko ‘yung tatlo sa’kanila 😂
Kahit Anong lakas ng sigaw nung side ng Bonifacio side, walang kuwenta Yung arguments, walang support.
Dr. Rizal, and Bonifacio laughing from above 😭😭😭
More like scratching their heads lol.
The two dead heroes looking at them from above:
Who's gonna tell them???
Tell them what
@@theo.Minion Rizal started the rev, Supremo took the lead
Rizal and Bonifacio in Heaven be like: dat's krazyyyyy
Gat Rizal and Bonifacio: 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
Gat Rizal and Bonifacio: Nigga thas crazyyy
@@e_breezy4868 nigga?! Nanggagago ka po ba???😭😭💀
Very cheap ng debate AHAHAHA napaka walang substance at puro illogical fallacies. Wala bang mga mentor tong mga to?
Dapat ung bnabara nila ung topic nd ung nagsasalita mismo..Hahahahha Skl!
i like how the TEAM RIZAL defend their hereos by just being calm. sigaw lang naman ginawa nung taga boni eh atsaka abt sa sinabi na na stuck sa library baket sa tingin mo? kahit malaya na ang mga Pilipino nandon parin yung akda ni rizal dahil sumisimbulo ito as a legacy.
sigaw nang sigaw tapos di pa tapos magsalita kabula sumasabat na, tanga makipag debate eh
Parehas silang nag sigawan😭
Ang aklat ni rizal ay nasa library,kasi nga library yun.
The topic is not debatable. Both of them exhibited a tremendous nationalistic concern and choosing the better one is like comparing Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton in terms of intelligence and contributions. In their own ways, Rizal and Bonifacio only had one goal. They both want liberty from the two invasive countries.
Very very nice tactic! Maintain divisions. Lol
But Rizal didn't want liberty. He just wanted reform. He only chose liberty as a last resort when he saw that Spain wouldn't grant his wishes.
2years ago na pala tooo HAHAHAHA, btw Lt yung nagsabeng naimbak daw mga sinulat ni Rizal sa liblary:>
20%Debate
30% Rizal!! Bonifacio%
50%AYHSKSDKHDLEHHDJFJRKSLLSJD
Is this even a debate its like a bunch of 12 year old kid shouting at each other.
Debate ba to?? Bat parang Face to Face History edition? Kulang na lang magbatuhan ng upuan eh tas aawatin ni tyang amy
Oo nga eh HAHAHHA
Lt HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA
Kaya nga eh HAHAHAHA. Something reminds me na may pinapanood akong debate eh but in parliamentary form na doon sa Malaysia kahit yung isang representative eh nagsabi ng F-word sa public 😂
27:10
Wtf gurl?! Naka imbak lang ang mga nobela ni rizal sa library? FYI Rizal was a remarkable novelist who helped many people to awake and enlightened their spirits to be brave and to fight for freedom. That thing should be valued more than a gold!
Ugg what a useless debate a school has😒
BRUH
Baka magulat siya na iyong "El Amor Patrio" ni Rizal na tinagalog ni Del Pilar ay siyang basehan ng "Pag-ibig sa Tinubuang Lupa" ni Bonifacio. (Basahin ang "Ang Pag-ibig sa Bayan ni Andres Bonifacio" na akda ni Virgilio Almario. UST Press, 2012)
And there are people here who are very interested in literature too so that adds another oof
bet ko yung approach ng team rizal
Bonifacio has a great respect for Doctor Jose Rizal. At para sa lahat si Dr. Jose Rizal ang naging inspirasyon ng katipunan ni Bonifacio. Its not about "pen" vs "itak", Kahit siguro tanungin natin si bonifacio, si Dr Jose Rizal ang ituturo niya
May mga historyador na nakapagsaliksik na hindi ninais ni Rizal na palayain ang mga Pilipino sa pananakop ng mga kastila, ginusto niya lamang na maging pantay ang pagtingin sa mga Pilipino kumpara sa ibang lahi na nanirahan dito sa Pilipinas. Pumunta si Rizal sa Espaniya para pakiusapan ang Hari nito para gawin pantay ang pagtrato ng mga Kastila sa Pilipino, pero hindi ang pagbibigay ng kalayaan sa mga Pilipino. Sa madaling sabi, ang ninais niya ay pantay na pagtrato at pagtingin lamang sa Pilipino, pero hindi ang ganap at opisyal na kayaan laban sa mga Kastila. Si Bonifacio ang may nais na magkaroon ng ganap na kalayaan ang mga Pilipino. Dahas ang paraan para mapaalis ang mananakop. Ilang mananakop ang sumakop sa Pilipinas, at nakatulong nang mas higit ang dahas para lumaban nang buong tapang sa mga mapangabusong mananakop. Kung susuriin mo, ang naisin na gano'n ba ni Rizal ang isang naisin ng Bayani?
Ang totoong bayani ay hindi nagseself pro.
@@JohnPatrickISasan lalim mo naman bro
it's very subjective tho, respect to other 'heroes', wineweigh rin talaga kasi naman ang contributions ng bawat bayani na dapat ay equally treated.
Rizal is like a typical political advisor,,, sulsulero at credit grabber.
Funny how they belittle the action of Rizal, that sparked the sense of nationalism and revolution, stating “he just sat and hold a PEN” hehe funny.
sorry but for this debate walang nanalo at talo. why?
bec. when it comes to debate you have legal basis to make your argument true and strong! But for this they only stating their opinions and expressions which is wrong
exactly! sa isang debate di nakakapaniwala kapag ang mga pahayag ay purong opinyon lang. katulad nung sinabi nung babae na nasa library lang daw ang nobela ni Rizal which is mali dahil sinabi sa batas na kailangan itong gawing kultura upang ituro sa Gr 9 to 10
Nothing is right or wrong in a debate actually, judges can just pick a side on who's easy to agree with and give them the "W"
@@Lftarded There's so much wrong in the debate, from the arguments to the tone of their voices, the illogicality and unpeaceful atmosphere, just nahh.
Dito lang ako after ko ito makita sa epbiii HAHHAHAHA dapat tapusin ko to HAHAHAHAHA
HAHHAAHHA ako nakita ko lang to sa tiktok eh
Same po ate, fb din ko po nakita to😍😍
Me too..
Naging memes pa yung debate nila HAHAHAHA
Dun sa girl na nagsabi na sa Library lang ang narating ng mga nobela ni Rizal: 🤭🤭🤭
HAAHHAAHAHAHA AYAW KASI BASAHIN 😂
Para sa akin international na s rizal dahil
Ang nobela nya nilapag sa belguim at germany
"Don't raise your voice. Improve your argument." -Desmond Tutu
gUrl do not ever underestimate the power of writing and reading. The “saan ba nakaambak ang mga nobela ni rizal diba sa library lang” uhhmm...nah.. the fact that team rizal cant express their opinion because the other team keep speaking without listening to others that’s why they don’t notice some of the words they said doesn’t make sense at all.
(I’m not being bias bruh-)
truuuu
That's part of debate lol
@@bataojillianriennarsili.2291 not really, most of the debate videos i've seen so far has its time limit for each team to express their argument clearly without interruption and the same with the opposite team.
humawak lang ng lapis? dyan palang sa phrase na yan talo na sila. they eradicated the efforts ng mga journalists.
Paano daw kung walang nagtranslate? When I was an SHS student one of my teacher told me na ang mga akda ni Rizal ay nakasulat sa Espanyol sapagkat hindi ito para sa mga Filipino. Ito ay para sa Hari ng Spain.
I also remember aside from the reasoning na gusto nita mabas agad ito ng spanish high autorities, the publication was rough. If it was written in in our language, tagalog, it won't be published much or it can be even be discovered immediately by spanish easily OR EVEN STOPPED IMMEDIATELY. aside from that is financial problem and also tinulungan lang siya magpublish and his books being written in spanish will also result to more copies of publication. It was also mentioned that Rizal is more fluent in spanish than tagalog.
@@pandabear8801 Yes ayun din ang pagkakaalala ko. If Jose Rizal wrote his books in Filipino, it won't be published kasi di inaallow ng pamahalaan noon ang any books written in Filipino to be spread.
This girl named KATRINA, di marunong rumespeto, parating sumisingit habagng nag sasalita pa ang team rizal! Zzzz
Yung keyboard warrior ka tapos bigla kang napasabak sa debate. nakakalungkot siya panoorin kasi dito nagrereflect ang education system ng bansa natin
pero to answer, Rizal is one of my favorite heroes pero for the sake of debate, I’ll take Bonifacio’s side here. Although wala namang mandato sa constitution na isa lang ang National Hero natin dahil lahat ng bayani ay national hero.
Rizal was one of the founders of La Liga Filipina at sumali si Bonifacio doon. Ang layunin ng LLG ay maging autonomous ang Pilipinas sa España, noong pananakop kasi ng mga dayuhan, itinuturing na probinsya ng España ang Pilipinas. Ang gusto mangyari ni Rizal, magkaroon ng annexation. Nainspire si Bonifacio sa kanya pero sa kanya unang nagkaroon ng konsepto ng kalayaan at demokratikong rebolusyon. Itinatag niya ang Katipunan na masasabi nating kauna-unahang government system sa bansa na may layuning palayasin ang mga mananakop sa pamamagitan ng rebolusyon tapos nagsanga-sanga sa iba’t ibang bahagi ng Luzon.
Maraming naging rebolusyon laban sa España pero kadalasan, tungkol sa enconmienda o sekularisasyon. Kay Bonifacio lang nagsimula ang complete overthrow ng Espanyol. Pero tunay nga na nakakadepress pag-aralan ang kasaysayan ng Pilipinas dahil bukod sa namatay si Bonifacio sa kamay ng kapwa Pilipino, hindi tayo ang dahilan kung bakit tayo binitawan ng Espanyol. Matatandaan na binenta tayo ng Spain sa Amerika sa pamamagitan ng mock Battle of Manila. Ginawa tayong premyo sa isang pustahan ng dalawang bansa
Agree ako dun sa ginawa tayong premyo ng dalawang bansa. You can watch Johnny Harris video about that.
@@weldisini1282 oo nga, exactly what i implied lol nag-usap sila para gawing kolateral ang pilipinas to end american-spanish war
Nakakalungkot lang na natalo yung Pilipinas nung nakipaglaban mga ninuno natin sa Amerika. Kung di lang talaga naging corrupt yung naging gobyerno ni Pres. Aguinaldo, nagkaroon pa ng pagkakataong walang Americanization ang bansa.
Hi, I know it's been two years na pero I am still interested in this topic.
Sa tingin ko at may posibilidad na malaki ang epekto nung mga failed attempts ng Pilipinas na makamit ang kalayaan nung kapanahunan niya sa naging mindset ni Rizal. Napagtanto ni Rizal na hindi pa tayo handa, marahil dahil sa kakulangan ng pagkakaisa at upang hindi na dumanak ang dugo ng mga kapwa nating Pilipino.
Mga novels ni Rizal served as eye opener to the filipinos. Sila rin ‘yong reason kung bakit sumali ang mga tao sa revolutionary groups, such as La Liga and Katipunan. Kung hindi sya nagsulat ng mga nobela, hindi malalaman ng mga pilipino kung gaano sila ka argabyado sa mga espanyol. And sa students na nag sabing books “lang” nagawa ni Rizal, you should not underestimate literature as it was the key for revolution. And why shame heros when they’ve done things that led us to have an independent country.
Galing niceeeee
Akala ko si Lapu Lapu yung bayani? Naka triple kill nga siya kahapon eh
I was disappointed about the works of Jose Rizal being in the library. Rizal's work are significant in Philippine history because he is the one who enlighted people to fight against the Spaniards including Andres Bonifacio. This debate is just like a childish fight in where children just shout at each other angrily. Please before you post something make sure that it is good and worth it because of this I do not think that I will or will ever be able to let anyone go to this school. I am very disappointed. Kindly teach your students how to properly debate if you plan on posting this on any social media. I applaud the team Rizal because they debated more calmly than team Bonifacio.
I watched this in Facebook and I just clicked the link because I wanted to comment something about this kind of debate.
the fck is this shiit this isn't even a debate lmfao! at kung tagalog tagalog kung ingles ingles hindi taglish improper kasama din ba ang pag raise ng voice? lmfao pataasan na ng boses sa debate?hahahaha
Buti nalang walang nag bato ng Bible verse juskooo
Tapos ang laban pag may nag lapag hahahaha
Sigurado pag binasi ang sinulat ni rizal don tapos ang laban dahil un talaga ang isinasaad ng sulat ni rizal
Jose Rizal became the national hero because he fought for feedom in a silent but powerful way.He expressed his love for the Philippines through his novels and articles rather the use of force or aaggression.He was a verry amazing person at his time.Again there is should be no competition as to who is better or greater between the two hereos.They choose different paths,but both genuinely dedicated their lives to our country.The Philippines would not be the same without this two great mens.Rizal's weapon was the pen,Bonifacio's the bolo.Whether the pen is indeed mightier than the sword,what is essential is that both men fought for the country with all their capabilities and skills.
That's what the conqueror wants lol.
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Rizal wants equality, and Bonifacio wants freedom.. If Rizal won then we are Spaniards now.
Philippine has no offical national hero.
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We should understand that they are forced only to defend one side. This somewhat blocks us finding a compromise. If it were a debate with no rules we can conclude that 2 heroes are needed to solve the equation for the start of Philippine independence.
24:26 nagkamali pa ng sinabi yung Team Bonifacio.. Hindi po gumamit si Rizal ng Dahas.
Halatang team rizal sya hahahah joke
He was referring to boni
They had their agruments, pero we should not discourage them din (per comments). These are "kabataan", and to be very honest - they are smart and brave ones.. Imagine their references, they came prepared diba. I like seeing more of this sa schools kesa sa mga other events na ginagastusan pero wala naman natututunan ang mga estudyante. 👏
Kudos to this boy, Jhan - ikaw manok ko. HAHAHAHA pero you all, did greaaat!!! 👏👏❤
Maraming mga debaters ang nagdedebate ng mahinahon at may factual evidences and kabataan din sila. Bakit di nila kayang gawin yun? It's not an excuse para hindi magsalita ng may respeto.
came from Facebook I need to watch the whole video HAHAAHAHA
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HOY SAME NAKAKATUWA KASI HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Same hahaha
Yo that's crazyyyyyyy😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀💀
Anu toh? Debate or Fliptop Fight? Bakit nagsisigawan? Hindi naman kami ganyan nung Highschool😂🤣
They were teaching spanish in school before tho. Not up for debate, only here to share some stuffs I've learned. Rizal wrote those novels to open the minds of the Filipinos, to make them realize what the spaniards were doing. Prolly those who weren't able to go to school needed translation, however, the elites/illustrados understood it. Thus, they started to make something. They were called mga propagandista, and they made their moves by writing. Bonifacio was inspired by it, but he might have thought that it wasn't enough, which is why he started kkk. They decided to fight with strength, power, and the people. Through this, even the so-called "indios" before were able to join the organization. They fought against the colonizers for our freedom. It was praiseworthy, their bravery and patriotism are topnotch, they did it for country even though they knew they might die in the battle. Filipinos should be truly grateful for them. Rizal instigated it, Bonifacio continued the legacy. Both are heroes. Periodt.
Edit: Rizal is our national hero. This shouldn't be up for debate. There's a reason why the subject called Life and Works of Rizal is a prerequisite for graduation. Maybe people should try to internalize the whole thing.
I agree. I was kinda pissed when they said that most Filipinos didn't understand Spanish. I was like "uhmm..not really". The guy from the Rizal group even said it himself that since Philippines have been colonized for 333 years, Filipinos are no stranger to the language especially those who go to schools or are educated. Even Bonifacio learned to speak.
The only ones who had Spanish education were rich Filipinos not every single Filipinos.
@@rolandvelasco3688 i know, which part did I say that all Filipinos had spanish education? Rizal was born rich, however, things happened. He also experienced discrimination at the university because the Spaniards were ofc prioritizing Spaniards, but he persevered and made it through the end. Later on, he helped his countrymen with the power of knowledge.
@@rosev6052 you literally said they were teaching Spanish in schools though and it’s not up for debate, miss girl. You generalized and trying to say that everyone has an access to the same education as rizal. And he left and traveled the world before even going to Spain to study optometry. He was a drunk and a player fucking females in every ports. Lmfaoo. And he may have been discriminated as some of us are still enduring today here on today’s day and age, he graduated and had an education and privilege most Filipinos didn’t have before. He left his home country to escape the same faith his fellow country men were enduring because he can and he was privileged. He made a toast with his fellow friends including Luna to end the patriarchal society in the Philippines not even caring if his parents and family will be murdered by the Spaniards because he wants to be renowned. Yes he did start the idea of revolution but he did it for his selfish reasons 😂. Please.
Hi, mag share lang rin po ako ng nalalaman ko.
Correct me if I'm wrong pero sa pagkakaalam ko, si Bonifacio ay naging miyembro ng La Liga Filipina, isang organisasyong tinatag ni Rizal na ginagamit ang istilo niya, ang pagsusulat at panghihikayat sa mga nakababasa. Noong dakpin si Rizal, nahati ang grupo, ang isa ay tinuloy ang pagsusulat sa pag-asang marinig ang ating panawagan, ang grupong ito ay tinawag na La Solidaridad. Ang kabila naman ay ang Katipunan na tinatag nila Bonifacio, ang layunin naman nito ay makamit ang total independence kung saan hindi na kolonya ng Espanya ang Pilipinas. Sinuportahan ni Bonifacio ang ideya ni Rizal ngunit noong ito ay madakip, napagtanto niyang hindi tayo ituturing na kapantay ng Espanya, dahil para sa kanila, mababang uri ng nilalang ang mga Pilipino.
Dagdag ko lang rin, about sa edit mo na hindi up for debate ang pagiging national hero ni Rizal, medyo disagree rin ako sa part na yun kasi the best "national hero" is subjective rin kasi, depende na lang yun sa paniniwala ng isang tao which is the whole reason for a debate, para magkaroon ng discussion. Also di ko pa napapanood yung full video but the Bonifacio team could have added that the Americans are the ones who appointed Rizal as the national hero, pwede nilang ibato yun sa kalaban by saying na gusto ng mga Amerikano na magkaroon tayo ng national hero na hindi direktang lumalaban, maaring upang hindi tayo mag-aklas laban sa kanila. Just some thoughts lang po.
Siguro naman narealize na ngayon ng mga students na 'to na walang kwenta yung debate na ginawa nila.
Nakakalungkot dahil maraming nakakakilala kay Rizal pero, kaunti lang man ang tunay na nakakakilala sa mga pinaglaban niya at mga ginawa niya. Kilala lang si Rizal bilang pambansang bayani. Sana basahin niyo rin yung mga sinulat nya
Tama ka napaka lalim ng pinahihiwatig don di un maiintindihan pag di mu iintindihin ng maayos dahil di naman un sinulat sa nangyari sa panahon nya kundi dahil un sa mga nangyari sa kapwa nating hebrew na sinakop ng romano
Nakakatawa yung babaeng nag sabing Natambak/naimbak lang sa Library yung mga sinulat ni Rizal. HAHAHAHA gurl nag acting kami sa harap nung g10 ng Noli HAHAHAH
Andito ako dahil shinare sa epbi natatawa ako bali pitong ektarya HAHAHHAAH
feeling ko wla lang choice ung team boni na napunta sa kanila ung bonifacio as pambansang bayani. We all know naman na dahas is not a good means to fight for something na ipaglalaban mo. Rizal used a very creative way to fight for the country and this can be used as a model ng kabataan ngayon, dahas is always not an option.
It was an option before.
The side of Bonifacio is so immature, some of their students keep talking over the Rizal side and screams irrationally.
Galing lang ako sa fb post, kelangan kong tapusin to HHAHAH
hahahhahhahahha same
same HAJAHAHJAHA
Same HAHAHAHA
ideals without power are just ideals. rizal was the idealist while boni back it up with power
Panget ng debate. Wala man lang binibigay na factual information, kanino galing, sino sumusulat mga ganon. Tapos nagsisigawan. Puro opinion lang pinagsasabi nila.
Wala man lang panel, teacher/professor, historian na nagguide sa kanila para sabihin kung ano tamat mali
I know where you guys are coming from na nagagalit kayo how the debate was done. But you need to admit also that once in your life nangyari narin yan sa inyo sa school yung nagpadebate yung teacher nyo then sigawan kayo just to have the satisfaction na mas tama kayo. Ganon talaga eh hinde sya formal debate more likely impromptu na kumuha lang sila na gustong sumali. The use of fallacies and unsupported facts na mema nalang para lang may masabi. Pero I'm not tolerating yan ha para kasing siraan ng bayani eh. Pero part yan ng learning process nangyayari talaga yan and as we aged mas nagiging careful na tayo sa arguments natin lalo na if gusto nating manalo. Peace
What's wrong with this?
Both teams try to discredit the contributions of both Heroes saying that one is greater than the other. What's sad is that we're encouraging this. It's commendable that we try to remember these sacrifices but to say that one is greater than the other? That's what's awkward. So awkward that it's almost insulting. Plus, this isn't how a debate is done.
Waiting kung sino ang unang sasampal.....
Sana yung pinag-debatihan nalang ay yung pagiging reformist ni Rizal at revolutionist ni Bonifacio. Mas maayos pa ‘yon kasi imbes na sa titulo ng “National Hero”, makikita ng parehong sides yung different thoughts ng dalawang bayani.
27:12, hmmm. Ang point nung nobela is to make a pov sa Westerners especially Spain about the state of the Philippines. Kung iisipin mo, ‘di siya naging successful sa aspetong iyon; subalit dapat na matandaan na marami tayong mga bayaning marunong mag-Kastila. Ang pinakakontribusyon niya ay ang pagrepresenta sa ating mga Pilipino sa Kanluranin.
Pero hanggang doon na nga lang ba ang naging kontribusyon ni Gat Jose Rizal? Hindi. Siya ang namuno sa mga Ilustrado noon para magkaroon ng reporma sa pamahalaan ng bansa. La Liga Filipina is an example, naging member din si Bonifacio doon. Kaya lang, aaminin ko. Hindi ito ang pinakamagandang paraan upang makalaya ang bansa. Kaya naman kung titignan natin si Rizal bilang bayani, ang masasabi ko’y hindi niya gustong harapin na ang totoong magpapalaya sa atin ay isang giyera. Yaon ang napagtanto ni Bonifacio.
Kaya kung saang panig ka man, alamin mo muna yung strengths niya
20:47 dito nag simula ang hindi pinapatapos ang speaker.... hai nako! how rude! (dapat kasi each participant makapag salita, hindi kina cut-off mo... kami mga audience na co-confuse kung kanino kami makikinig)
27:12 favorite line HAHAHHAH BARS SUNOG!
mag aral ka ulit ate kung yan ang favorite line Lol. di to fliptop, debate to 🤦♂️
7:30 kween yasmin is dat you ? Hhahaha
Gago HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Actually, hindi lang mahina ang arguments nila, mas lalo pang lumalayo sila sa initial na prompt. Basically, this is just a battle between kung sino ang pinakamalakas, 95% kasi audience impact.
19:54, HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA PIYOK SIYA IH AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
Lakas ng tama nyo hahaha
Haha
HAHAHHAHAHAHAH
I love the approach of Team Rizal ❤️it's really calm and you can see that they are really aware to something that they want to share. Sa debate sa bawat ibabato mong salita dapat ito ay legible or tunay na makatotohan but if it's only base on our opinions makapagbabato na tayo minsan ng mga salitang kulang sa kaalaman..like the "library thing" and we all know it's not true right? Honestly A.Bonifacio and Jose Rizal can be a national hero they can be both , dahas man o pluma, o kahit san mang paraan hanggat nagpapakita ito ng tunay na pagmamahal sa bayan at may layunin na naaayon sa puso, isip at diwa para sa bayan para sa ating mahal na Pilipinas ito pa rin ay isang malaking ambag para sa kaunlaran ng Pilipinas and we understand it's a debate so be it but we must know that how important the efforts and sacrifices of Jose Rizal and A.Bonifacio.❤️Let's appreciate them both. Btw good job to those students they show us na hindi pa huli ang lahat they show their hearts and knowledge about the country and we know marami pa rin sa atin ang kulang sa karunungan tungkol sa bansa they show us that there's still hope ...sa ating mga kabataan❤️
Hintayin ko nalang gatasan ni tito pao ito hahaha
Lol Jose Rizal was an Oligarch and incestuous and is not the Philippines official National HERO..... Bonifacio was the game changer and the mover of Philippine revolution. " Success is 10 percent "Inspiration" and 90 percent "Perspiration" = rizal was just 10 percent of the Philippine revolution against the Spaniards, while Bonifacio was 90 percent of it... So who deserves to be the NAtional Hero??? Go figure.... Mark Zuckerberg never built Facebook just by writing about it as an Idea, HE ACTED and FOUGHT his way into REALIZING IT.... FACT and TRUTH!!!
Daming pumipiyok HAHAHHAAH
AWIT NAMAN SA MGA COMMENTS HAHAHAHA SILA HO LAMANG AY GRADE9 STUDENTS AND PINILI LANG HO SILA BY THAT TIME, HOURS LANG ANG PREPARATION. AND NAKALABAN KO HO ANG ISA SA MGA JAN NUNG GRADE10 AT NAKAKATAKOT NA PO SIYA NOW HAHAHAHAHSHA THEY'RE NY BATCHMATES BTW.
AND FOR YOU TO CALL OUR SCHOOL CHEAP. BAKA MEMA SABE KALANG JAN? DEBATE AWARDS REVEAL?
they're just sharing their opinions. totoo naman e na they don't know how to debate properly. the main purpose of debate is to showcase your argument to move the masses e itong debate na ito? is this some sort of peasant joke? also paki educate yung babae na nagsabing naka imbak lang sa library yung mga isinulat ni Rizal. Rizal fought for freedom in a silent but powerful way. sobrang pangit din ng topic na binigay, there should be no competetion as to who is greater or better between the two heroes, hindi pinaghandaan masyado ata. very cheap debate, low class, walang substance, hindi man lang ata sila nagbasa, ayan pa isa sa importance ng mga libro, for us to have more knowledge hindi para iimbak lang sa library. puro emosyon pinairal ang pangit ng argumento nila. cringe sobra, grr.
grade 9 na pero makikitid pa utak lalo na nung nasa boni dinadala sa iyak, anong awards tinutukoy mo? sa acting ba? hahaha pakisabi sa mga teacher ng school nyo sayang sweldo nila halatang pinabasa lang ng history books e HAHAHA
rizal expressed his love for PH by novel bonifacio expressed by fighting for it
its both fair why debate about it
Kung ako nanjan iiyak nlng ako
"Mas madali mo pang pagkasunduin ang langit at lupa... kesa dalawang Pilipino sa alinmang bagay" -Hen. Antonio Luna.
"hindi ahat ng tama ay mabuti, ngunit lahat ng mabuti ay tama"
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this ain't a debate this is a heated argument.
Before Raffy Tulfo in Action we have this Bardagulan Debate!
@kram hala face to face at personalan I miss hahahah
@kram hoyyy pota 😭😭😭😭😭
This young student summarises good points! 💯👏 40:45
TAMA BA YORN I COMPARE NYO YUNG REFORMIST AND REVOLUTIONARIST? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA Sana okay lang po lungs nyo. Well I mean, the concept of having a national identity was taught by Americans who believes that we need help to have one. Children those two people fought for our country in a very different way. HAHAHAHAAAHA pero opo trotropahin po.
Jose rizal and boni be like:bkit parang kasalanan pa namin🙂
why is violence/grit even considered as a metric?
nakakagigil naman to HAHAHAHA
Mabuhay si Bonifacio!
buti nalang walang naputulan ng ugat sa kasisigaw hahaha mga yawa. Meron o Wala kayo guys?
Derecho Mental Hospital sila after graduation.
Mga naulol na sa sobrang pabibo.
Mga muntanga sila in this debate honestly.
Nakakaloka
Kumukulo talaga ang ulo ng dalawang grupo na ito HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
A very improper debate, I already saw this video way back I was in Senior High School, and now that I'm already a 1st year College taking up Education as a Major, I am now capable to say that the words being uttered in this debate were purely just noise and a little bit of information.
People defending Bonifacio really said "Ano ba ang ginawa ni Rizal?" and the crowd still hypes the person, hahahaha and there's no correct management in the panel or the one who runs the debate.
Buti pa nga yung fliptop pinapatapos yung time HAHAHAHA
Katalinuhan o Dahas man, parehas lang yang importanteng ginamit ng ating mga bayani. Iba-iba man ang paraan o katangian pero nasa iisang mithiin pa din ang gusto nating makamit noon, ang kalayaan... i think this is not a debate but sharing ideas about the topic. Masyado lang napairal ang emosyon kaya nag mukang nagtatalo. Pero wala naman talagang dapat pagtalunan. Kuddos! Ang gagaling nyo..
Galing !! Every words and arguments may mga pinagbabatayan. ❤ Rizal laban. 😊
My nagawa ba ang mga Sulatt ni Rizal? namatay lang sya ng wlang nagawa Tapos sya pa Yung "MAS" kinikilala na bayani
Grabi naman si ate ghurl na nag sabi na nakaimbak lang ang mga sulat ni rizal sa library
Kung wala si Ka ANDRES BONIFACIO, magugunaw ang Katagalugang wika.
Kung wala si Gat JOSE RIZAL,
hindi mo na mag-uling maririnig ang Chavacano at Bicol. Mabuhay silang dalawa na Anak ng Bayan.
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pwede mo naman ibato yung sagot mo nang malumanay at hindi pasigaw, tapos sana maayos reference at yung ibabato
Eyyy parang ina-underestimate nyo ang mga journalists
true, stupid students
Sa aking palagay kaya sinulat ni rizal ang kanya aklat gamit ang iba't ibang banyagang salita upang lubos maunawaan ng ibang bansa ang panig na pinaglalaban natin at malaman ang kahirapan at discriminasyon na ginagawa ng mga Español.
Huwag bumase lamang sa libro para di mag mukang nag manarunong/mang mang. Dahil hindi lahat ng nasa libro (ph history) ay tunay o ang katotohanan. Dahil may mga pangyayari na hindi naisulat sa libro/pahina na tanging iilan lamang ang tunay na nakakaalam at ang tawag dito ay history conspiracy.
dapat di yan tinatanong ehh..wala tlagang matinong nagawa tong amerika..
nag bigay pa ng confusion 😊