I enjoy all of the lectures on this channel. What bothers me is when people interrupt and you can't hear the questions or comments and it's disrespectful to the speaker. I think they should be done last and with a microphone so we can hear the questions or comments so we know what he's referring to.
John, you are LEGEND!!! 🧩 Truly excellent content, you really do restore my faith in humanity (for the most part). I appreciate understanding of where our faiths originate from a critical but fair frame of reference. I look forward to your channel’s continued growth and increasing the quality of conversation on can have with those willing - all without an opinionated, bookish attitude which isn’t conducive to moving us forward. Cheers! P.S. I award you x♾️ of 🎤’s. 😜
This is not pertinent to any specific lecture but, john Hamer, your name sounds like a bad ass super hero for a reason!! I have so much fun listening to you that my roommate thinks im insane because i ask questions and laugh out loud from the weirdo joy i get from pausing, doing some research then listening to you already know all the shit i just read!!! You have contributed greatly to me searching for answers only to realize how much joy i feel in knowing i cant know the answers. Thank you!! P.S. you should do a talk about ignostisicsm. The definition alone is esoteric enough that you have to read it a few times to realize that its what we all really are. But what do i know.
I think this is the meaning of that weird artistic potrayal of pharaoh: - baby face = everlasting fresh, youth, purity and innocence - androgyne, male/female = divinity (God) contains and transcends any polarity (male/female)
One god for all of them; men, women and children. In the end he created a monstrosity, whom nobody wanted to worship. Which reminds me, they proposed here that this duality (or even a trinity) was somehow influenced by the language, which contained grammatical gender. My native tongue does contain that too and this structure carries no meaning, behind grammar. While I can easily imagine that people not familiar with it would feel it somehow gotta matter, at least a little bit, I find it hard to believe that Egyptians would too. I mean, in my tongue the earth is declined as "female", the moon as "male", the sky as "neuter". Yet we all know that those entities have no gender. We *really* do know that.
I can’t watch it because it’s really terribly portrayed. If you know any history on Kemet/Egypt you would know that Caucasians were definitely not the main population. Can’t watch inaccurate depictions. We need an updated movie showing how we really looked!!
Thanks for that tip! I'm checking that out. Concerning the "Caucasian" matter:has Hollywood ever gotten history right? They are still picking the most unlikely-looking actors. The recent movie on Alexander (and his Afghan bride,Roxanna)comes to mind.
@@dakotahill8502 How did “you” _really_ look during the reign of Akhenaten? While working in Saudi Arabia, I met an Egyptian national who was very fair complected, and I inquired about his “racial” or genetic traits. He pointed out (which I hadn’t initially noticed) that his eyes as well had the shape of Egyptian style eyes as depicted in the ancient portraiture, sculptures, and iconography of Ancient Egypt. He indicated that there has been an ethnic community in Egypt that traces its origins back to the ruling dynasties in the early kingdoms. I’m sure there was a diversity of ethnicities present in Egypt during the time of pharaohs. Maybe you know more about this than I, to the point that you simply cannot abide the notion of actors of Northern European origin portraying characters in ancient Egypt. Seems like that might represent a lack of imagination on your part as much as any woke racial sensibilities. In any case, I found the movie interesting, and it injected a number of other subplots that were probably imaginary, but helped to create an interesting story, including weaving Horemheb into the succession (while excluding Tutankhamen, whose connection to Akhenaten was not yet known at the time the movie was made).
I loved the 10 Commandments too, and watched it time & time again. In fact, I got really spooked by the Plague of the Firstborn -- being a tomboy, I thought angels might mistake me for a boy, as people often did, and I am my parents' firstborn. The only way I could calm my anxiety about it on Passover was to prick my finger & make marks on our door jamb, just like the ones from the show, but much smaller (I didn't have a paintbrush & a bucket of blood, that's for sure!) Yule Brenner was the BEST! "So let it be written! So let it be done!"
@@donaldhawkins9173 Teaching kids atheist THEORY is fantasy.. is preparing them for Hell, if you really love your kids you will put the Fear of God into them: Teaching them about a million genders is child abuse: There is only MALE and FEMALE: allowing your kids to watch satanic movies in child abuse: allowing your kids to have a smartphone is child abuse. When men feared God the world was a much more stable and sane place to live in, children didnt want to cut their body parts off back then and women were where they belong, AT HOME. Proverbs 29:15 King James Version 15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
@@donaldhawkins9173you can’t remove a child’s imagination boss. These fantasies have stood the test of time for a reason and you cannot know what the imagination will create on it’s own without these fantasies to guide it.
When Moses first approaches Pharaoh, he asks to be allowed to go out into the desert to worship their god. That is an odd part of the text, and it reminds me of how Amenhotep/Akhenaten's Aten cult had performed its rituals out in the desert... Btw -- a good lecture would be on the Hyksos...
It's good that Shaheen (sp?) explained to the lecturer what he'd literally just explained twice, while Elizabeth had also illustrated the concept very efficiently & with an example that is local & thus familiar to her fellow Canadians present in the room. It adds colour & character(s) to proceedings. Relive it in full by clicking here... 16:02
@@SEMIA123 It's funny: now it's been so long since we have seen John give a lecture in front of his group of locals, I actually miss them all. I think he is at his best when handling a crowd as he lectures.
I really enjoyed this lecture! I'm increasingly convinced monotheism vs polytheism doesn't capture things accurately. It's more like a spectrum. You have hard monotheism and hard polytheism, but you also have soft monotheism and soft polytheism. Where would you place Joseph Smith's Nauvoo period Mormonism? That's where the plurality of gods and world first emerged. Where would you put the Binitarianism in the Lectures on Faith? These are tough questions.
Agree. In my first Comparative Religion class,there was a distinction between strict monotheism in Judaism and dualism in Zoroastrianism,and it just seemed like vague distinctions,and it's all hopeless by the time you get to Christianity's trinity.
@@anvilbrunner.2013 Faith is a belief in something that you do not yet have a perfect knowledge of. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. I would suggest to you that you believe in many things of which you have but an imperfect, or as you would say, “deficient” knowledge.
@@HowNotToDoStuff Yes Mel, I'd readily admit that there are mysteries beyond human faculty which I have witnessed first hand. Those events fall into the category self evident, to the self as witness, because senses registered them. Nil faith required. Belief doesn't enter the equation. Substance & faith are opposites. If someone has strung those words into a sentence as somehow corollary. He or She would be a Machiavellian type. A charlatan whom take's advantage of those lesser mortals whom would have to be semi literate or completely illiterate. If there's a God Melvin. The evidence surely indicates that He /She is an vindictive, sadistic, narcissist of the lowest order. Unworthy of the least among our species' love or adoration.
If he knew, he wouldn't refer to it as a thing of the past when maps where not aligned north. Modern geography still adresses rivers according to its current. Left and right bank of a river, as well as up and down a river are unambiguos. The lady is correct. People who can't read maps shouldn't be the ones explaining them on stage.
@@kelstad Please. You don't understand what was being said. The guy also used to be a map-maker before. Go re-listen to it. You are just looking for something to blow air over.
1:40:55 All of those rulers WERE mummified! However, in the dying days of the New Kingdom, when the Amun priests had fully taken over after the Bronze Age collapse, all of the tombs were systematically looted by the government, the mummies were lightly re-wrapped and placed in re-cycled coffins usually not their own, and placed in a couple of tombs taken over for that purpose. Later, some of the mummies were disturbed by further looters, even though by now there was no gold or other precious materials to be had. Most of the mummies had some sort of identification, but the later looting left them in some cases without ID. Hence the uncertainty regarding the parents of Tutankhamun, whose mummies we have but whose identities are inferred. Tutankhamun's tomb was so buried by rubble that the late New Kingdom official looters overlooked it, but in fact he was rather poorly mummified. 1:11:00 The genealogical chart has many uncertainties, needing better and more extensive DNA testing where possible. I suspect that the key figure of the later 18th Dynasty is Yuya, who may have been the brother of Mutemwya and father of Ay, though neither is attested. The tomb of Yuya and the royally-descended Tuyu, with their excellent mummies, was the best preserved tomb discovered before that of Tutankhamun, although it had been looted of its most precious items. It is not too likely that Ay was the father of Nefertiti; his wife Tey is attested as Nefertitii's wet-nurse. There is a possibility that Horemheb's second wife, Mutnodjmet, was a daughter of Ay. All of this is interesting, given that Ay probably usurped the throne after Tutankhamun's death instead of the designated heir or "iry pat" Horemheb.
Nefertiti must be a daughter of amenhotep lll. Because we know that the mummy of kv35yl is the mother of tutankhamun kv62. Also was kv35yl identifyed as the daughter of kv35el. Kv35el was identified as the daughter of juja and tuja kv46. Kv35yl was also identifyed as daughter of amenhotep lll. Kv35yl looks very familiar to the Berlin bust of nefertiti. this is important because the bust is the best way to identify nefertiti. the mummy of kv35yl is so close familiar with nefertiti bust that's tells us again she must be a close family member. So kv35yl is nefertiti by herself or kv35yl must be a sister of nefertiti. I think nefertiti name was satamun / sitamun. Or Isis. This are the name of the daughters of amenhotep lll. The mummy kv35yl is also the sister of akhenaten kv55! The mummy of kv55 was clearly identified as the son of kv35el and amenhotep lll. If not kv35yl is nefertiti, akhenaten had given birth to 7 children with two of his sisters . So the easiest assumption is nefertiti is the mother of tutankhamun. And the mother of 7 children. She was a powerful queen and after death of akhenaten she became Pharao by herself with her epithet neferneferuaton as first name and her Thronname was ankhcheperura. She was beginning to restore the old gods and changed her name again to semenchkare and kept her Thronname ankhcheperura. After her death tutankhamun became Pharao. Nefertiti could not been a foreign wife of akhenaten, because the royal family tries to hold grip to power. thats why they married there own family members. I think aje or eje is a family member also. Maybe a brother or cousin from teje. It is not plausible that nefertiti was a daughter of eje because eje never mentioned that. Also nefertiti never talks about her family. Because she don't need to because she was known as a very close member of the royal family. If she were not a close member of the royal family, why she never introduced herself? How she get tolerated by the priesthood of the solar god ra, if she was not a part of God's ra Inkarnation from the royal family? How could a "outsider" from the royal family succeed power as powerful as nefertiti was?
and tomb robbery taking place at every time in egypt history. with good reason. because to bury all treasury for iternity makes no sense. so i understand when egypten reused everything. even tutankhamun reused many grave furniture from ekhenaton and ankhchperura
What show was that which featured an ankh as its secret society's symbol? It symbolized long life -- or eternal life? "Sanctuary" -- the group was seeking it, I think.
I believe the body shape is to symbolize a strong solar, hence the large bellies but also a softness. Feminine energy, present in the shape and lines of the statue
The Prophet Yusuf a.k.a Yuzarsif lived in "Atun" era, and worshipped the monotheism God "Allah SWT". U can found the story of Atun and how he be a monotheism worshipper God in " Story of 11 brothers of Prophet Yusuf". All of the Prophets tell us about the same thing called "Tauhid" start from Prophet Adam until the last of Prophets, Muhammad SAW. Then u will find the connections between all of the prophets who live in their own era and Islam itself 😊
Akhenaten's exclusive worship of the sun god Aton led early Egyptologists to claim that he created the world's first monotheistic religion. However, modern scholarship notes that Akhenaten's cult drew from aspects of other gods-particularly re-Harakhte, Shu, and Maat-in its imagining and worship of Aton. - Encyclopedia Brittanica
I was born in Poland and in my language we have feminine and masculine and also the third which is of not differentiated, but it's just the matter of grammar for me. It doesn't make me feel like mountain or flor are female or chair is male. So it's not so clear if the rays were really female for Egiptians.
Thutmose III was a pious man. When he erased his aunt's name from monuments he frequently replaced it with the names of his father and grandfather, to the great confusion of Egyptologists.
The Kmt people that lived in Memphis were monotheist/"henotheist-to-the-Creator" under the name of Ptah until they were conquered by the Ennead (9 "single-entity" oligarch/family-unit gods) worshiping people from lower Nile. In fact, evidence seems to show that A LOT of polytheism started by conquerors trying to join the priests/cultures they had conquered under "1 heavenly family unit" so their subjects would all get along without needed to be wiped out as they were making the emperor/empire more wealth by staying alive and working/paying-taxes. So individual "first cultures" were worshiping only their city's single-god of everything or a small divine family (husband god and wife god; often with children if childbirth had to be encouraged in the oppressive State)
@@skepticalchristian5528 I have questions about the reference to Ra imagery in the Old Testament,the Sun of Righteousness with healing in its (His?) wings..
The Quran came 800 years AFTER Christianity and borrowed stories from everywhere, getting most of them wrong. Read clearly, WRONG. Let me share with you what the Quran got wrong, ok? If you claim it was sent to confirm what came before, meaning the Bible, then it darn sure better get it right in order to claim it confirms. It does in NO way. 1: Isa bin Maryam bint Imran NEVER EXISTED. The Quran confused Miriam, the daughter of Amram and the sister of Moses and Aaron, with Mary, the mother of Jesus. 2: The name of Jesus in Arabic is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT Isa. It is Yesu. Get it right. 3: Haman made bricks for Pharaoh (a man's name). Haman was the grand vizier under ARTAXERXES and NEVER EVER was a brick maker, and Pharaoh is a title, NOT A NAME. And the tradition of hanging Haman is the start of the Jewish festival Purim. 4: Abraham being thrown into the fire. This has confused the kings, the Quran says Nimrod but it was Nebuchadnezzar who threw Shadrack, Mesheck and Abednego into the fire for not bowing to Nebuchadnezzar's statue. Get it into your frickin head, NEVER say the Quran says anything when it does not get anything of anything right, and most stories are borrowed from mistaken stories from Talmud. YES, your traditions came from TALMUD, NOT Torah. Therefore, these "revelations from allah" are nothing more than retold stories from RABBIS. Don't even say the Bible is corrupted to get out of the errors of Islam and the Quran. The Bible is proven in Torah and Tanakh in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the New Testament has NEVER done away with the Torah and Tanakh. But muslims did, making some stupid book with a whole bunch of historical errors. The Quran is NOTHING. Also, according to 53, your allah is jibreel who is the lord of Sirius. Do you need the whole chapter read to you? And NOPE, Egypt was NOT monotheist in the time of Joseph because Joseph was given a wife by the Pharaoh and she was a daughter of a polytheist priest. Joseph's name was changed by Pharaoh to Zaphathanea. So do you want to keep holding on to a false book that could not even get simple names and stories right and does not confirm in any way what came before, even though it claims it does? Read carefully, the Torah and Tanakh were NEVER changed and the New Testament merely was merely added to them. Do you want me to show you the actual Talmud chapters that say Adam learned to bury Abel from a raven, that Iblis refused to bow down to Adam and that you can't eat garlic in the mosque? Talmud is NOT scripture, NOT Bible, NEVER intended to be the Bible, it is opinions and legends of the rabbis. So if you believe the Quran, then your allah was nothing more than a Jewish rabbi. Funny that. The Talmud came 300 years BEFORE Quran. A book of opinions and legends, and you call those opinions and legends as revelation from Allah and that is the funniest historical joke ever. Get it? A joke. A joke. A joke. A joke. Understand?
Velikovsky linked Akhenaten with the Greek story of Oedipus -perhaps the practice of incest among Egyptian royalty inspired this theory as Oedipus married his own mother!
Can you comment on Amun and Amen as used in prayers until this day. Is there an etymological link or even something beyond? And if so it could be a remnant of paganism that has survived and made it into monotheism? Great series and amazing educational work, truly enlightening! Congratulations, I love this channel. God bless you.
I read an interesting article by a rabbi when I was young. Amen was God in all things not Jewish. It must have come in handy to end prayers with this word during the time the Hebrews lived in Egypt. I was a kid at the time I read it & never memorized names, just concepts, so I have no idea who wrote it... if it was Jewish belief, incredible scholarship, or just theory on the rabbi’s part. It was, however, better than my teachers’ response to “why do we invoke the name of a New Kingdom Egyptian god at the end of prayers?” Christians proved once again to be intolerant a-holes & I forget what punishment was inflicted for asking but I did so quite a few times after & smiled my head off, sort of giving the original punishment the raspberry as it were. My teachers at that school were weirdos who thought punishments were a way to control people. It reflects badly on the school and unfortunately is still a tactic of the philosophically weak and religiously pathetic.
The Egyptian Amun written in Kemetian (ancient Egyptian language) is actually _imn_ . Original translation of Kemetian Amun into Hebrew had it spelled with a jodh (which is pronounced _ya_ ). In English, jodh is the equivalent of - j - , but in English the j is pronounced as a j not as ya (i.e. English Joseph vs Hebrew Yosef). So, the Hebrew translation and pronounciation of Kemetian _imn_ is actually _yimn_ or _yamn_ which is quite different from the Hebrew _amen_ which is spelled not with a yodh but an aleph (A). Other than that, the Hebrew amen is defined as 'firm/confirmed' while the Kemetian amun is defined as 'the hidden'. It's a bit unfortunate and leads to a lot of misunderstanding, the fact that translations from Semitic and Afro-Asiatic languages into post-Latin languages butcher the original pronunciations significantly. Part of the problem is that most of the translations into Romance languages first went through intermediary languages of Latin and Koine Greek which is missing some alphabets found in preceding languages such as Hebrew, i.e. the Hebrew Yoseph becomes the Greek/Latin Ioseph which then becomes the German/English Joseph. In other words, many of the pronunciations you have in post-Latin languages actually do not exist in previous languages such as Semitic - case in point: Amun.
Doesn’t sound like monotheism rather than a favorite God. In Zoroastrianism there seems to be the idea that there is only one God who is creator God and moral dualism. The crown cone is theorized by the Electric Universe series as a symbol of the sun God Saturn in the ancient sky and the great Conjunction. The crown turned upside down is a symbol of Mars coming out of the alignment. In Hinduism Brahman is not a creator God so much as the principle of everything. Namaste, the god in me greets the god in you, seems more pantheistic, as in the beginningless mind. Your atman is one with the Brahman. Interesting lecture. Worth listening to again.
immaculate conception: it doesn’t mean what you think it means immaculate means “without stain (of sin)” and refers to mary, not jesus - she was, from her mother’s womb, conceived without the stain of original sin, in order to be a perfect vessel for her future son (of god) , jesus - it has nothing directly to do with jesus 99 pc of non catholics get this wrong and probably half of catholics there is no convenient term for jesus’ conception by the holy spirit, which is why protestants make this assumption ~ atheist former catholic
I only like Bible movies that show Roman soldiers in pleated miniskirts. Love the way transgenderism was so readily accepted in the forties, fifties and sixties.
Your an intelligent person. Tell me why is the term Prophet evaded when it comes to Akhebnaten. It is by no stretch this King was a prophet of the one God. Take what he believed and preached and put it up against Prophet Muhammad, and Moses. Note. The Old testiment and Jews do not speak of an after life either.
Does not the O.T. define prophet/navi as people speaking FOR GOD from the lower "tribes" (lower castes really)? But prophet literally means "foreteller," which is not necessarily about gods. and navi literally means "receptacle for alpha [to speak through]" or "spokesperson" which is closer to oracle, which means "praying/speaking one" although it was a title of credentialed authority to Greco-Romans which most often meant the people in the position did not come from the lower castes. The O.T. says that Israel often had many hundreds (in the 300s at one point) of "navi candidates" living off of the royal family (to keep them under the thumb of the royals most likely), but only the one that got things correct all of the time up to their death would be written down as "true navi" since O.T. says there is only 1 navi per generation at some point. So Akhenaten would have had to say that he was possessed by the Aten and it was speaking through him to be considered a navi, and to be a Jewish navi he would have had to have been from the Jewish lower castes which they called tribes but they were obviously a caste system.
@@letsomethingshine I think your missing my point. Akhenaten was and all he clearly believed that there is ONE GOD. I studied Islam and what. I know that one set out to expelling idolatry the other was tolerant. One had a book. One did not.
@@letsomethingshine world of Navi in Slavic mythology is Hell. Lover vibration, look @ Ynglism on Wikipedia and there is some contacts to websites on bottom.
Was Akhenaten Moses of the bible? according to the geneology lectures of the great royal families from Sumer to Britain provided by Laurence Gardner, which you can find on youtube
Is it possible Akhenaten was the pharaoh of Moses, and, after experiencing the strength of Moses' God, Akhenaten decided to worship "Atun" under the assumption this was the God who fought against his army?
@@awuma Yes, but that doesn't mean that Akhenaten wasn't inspired by something that he or his father physically experienced as is described in the Bible, and the only way he cold reconcile that experience was by believing that he, or his father, had actually seen "Aten", the "Sun Disc", convincing him that this god was real, unlike all the others that he or anyone else he knew had never actually seen. "Pillar of cloud", "pillar of fire", "out of the glory of the Lord came the spirit of the Lord, one shone light on the Hebrew camp while the other fought off the Egyptian army all night as the waters parted", the glowing ball that hovered above the "mercy seat" of the Ark to speak to Moses. Not to mention "out of the glory of the Lord in the sky came the spirit of the Lord, which sat down in front of the Tabernacle, shot out fire and consumed the offering. Then Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu walked up to it with a censer of "strange incense", at which point the "spirit of the Lord" shot out flames and killed them, causing Aaron to rightfully flip out, and Moses to say "take Aaron away before God kills us all!". Was there any truth to this at all, or is the entire Torah just made-up? Could it have been the same things that people have been seeing throughout the 20th century, and that the Pentagon says are real, physical objects? I know it's an odd theory, but it's a valid one when all of the data is considered.
@@billybatson8657 As said in this lecture, the story of Exodus takes place several centuries after the death of Akenatkin. Most importantly though, the development of the Jewish relgion dedicated to YHWH does not have much evidence of there being an exodus or migration of Jewish people. The archeology shows that the Jewish religion came out of the Caananite culture, so there is a development of the Hebrew language that splits from the Caananite language. In other words, ancient Jewish scripture was written in Caananite. On top of this, the ancient Jewish religion is intertwined with Caananite mythology (the children of El and also at one point Yahweh is brother to Ba'el, son of El, and consort to Ashtoreth) and also the culture. Hence, there is a strong emphasis of Caananite mythology in Jewish scripture such as Baal worship from the beginning of Exodus (the golden calf is not a reference to the Apis Bull [which was a living bull incarnation] but instead a reference to the Idolatry practiced by Caananites) that perputually competes against the worship of YHWH in Jewish scriptures. It is possible though there is Egyptian influence on the Jewish religion (as there is proven to be Egyptian influence and trade and even rulership over the Canannites) because of the serpentine staff of Moses and the brazen serpent raised up, which is like the serpentine staff or Ureaus of Thoth (later known as staff of Hermes [Trismesgitus] or Cadeuceus and staff of Asclepsius).
I am guessing he saw God, for God is a brilliant light like the sun. Once the rays of God's light touch you, there is an instant transfer of knowledge. @@billybatson8657
In case you do not realize THIS, ahkenaten was worshipping like his ancestors of the old world, you know like Dineh, Cherokee,Maya, Aztec,Sioux, etc... my ancestors in the Americas were already worshipping the way ahkenaten was feeling, history itself shows THIS, WATEVER color the people were that came to the Americas and CHANGED the worship of THE ONE GOD to THEIR pagan AMEN worship, the evil ones know the Sun is the door, you can't pass the fire or flame unless you're worthy, I do appreciate people who do research, it helps to straighten watt it is crooked, but forreals, IMMANUEL Mary and Joseph went back to KEMET, IMMANUEL went back to Bethlehem and started preaching ONE GOD, the only ONE GOD in that region is ATEN, like I said I appreciate researchers
so why it was rejected after his death because it was a foreigner religious concept might be the exodus aftermath by the way anifiyyah is one God religion practiced by Abraham sort of proto Judaism
Love this lecture and the inability to understand this "religion" The Sun, Ra/Re, having Rays that hold Ankhs, that symbolized life, is literally what the Sun does It is the most obvious of all religions, it's factual, literal, with no questions or myth Egyptian belief in Aten/Re including Ma'at are simply the best
I really enjoyed the talk. However, the reasoning behind the lack of a connection with Abrahamic monotheism is very weak. You state that there are common political forces that drive these two monarchies to monotheism. But these conditions weren't unique to just these two. Other monarchies had similar issues but didn't resort to monotheism to solve them. If your theory were reasonable then we should see many more examples in history. Given the fact that the Hebrews were in such close contact with the Egyptians it makes more sense that one borrowed from the other. Because egypt was a more complex society, egypt would face and solve the issue with monotheism first and as with most things the Hebrews probably borrowed from egypt. Plus we have the biblical stories of the Hebrews living in egypt. Abraham, Joseph and brothers, Moses (egyptian name meaning son of, son of what exactly?), even Jesus all go to egypt. The exodus. The story of the Israelite and their story cannot be told without egypt. If these people were vastly separated then an independent development of monotheism would make sense. But it doesn't in light of their connections. My thoughts are that Hebrews come to egypt with the hyksos. Akhenaten creates his monotheism. As minorities seeking royal favor and protection from the chief egyptian cult priests, Hebrews wholeheartedly embrace Akhenaten's new religion. Akhenaten's religion is suppressed, Hebrews are persecuted, and decide to leave egyptian controlled territory under an Aten priest named moses. Hebrews become refugees in desert to stay hidden. Egyptian authority in Palestine breaks down and the Hebrews decide to take over the hills in Palestine during the chaos. This story of a persecuted group seeking refuge in the desert (e.g. mormons) or mountains is common throughout history.
There is very little evidence of any connection between the two religious revolutions and it's pretty certain that the leaders of the Judean knew nothing of Akhenaten 700 years earlier. They did remember Ramses II (probably). The only possible link is the resemblance between Psalm 104 and a part of The Great Hymn to The Aten. Moses is no more historical than Hercules.
@@alanpennie8013 I disagree. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence. That is, the circumstances point to a long history of interaction and borrowing between these neighboring people. It's not enough evidence to prove the hypothesis, obviously. My point was simply that independent development of similar ideas between neighboring people is improbable. The pattern of mankind is borrowing. The spread of the alphabet demonstrates as such. Even that is not based on 'direct' but circumstantial evidence. Could the shape and names on the letter beta be independently invented? Yes, of course. But when you see it first in phonecia and then in neighboring Greece, you hypothesize that Greece borrowed it from phonecia. There is no direct evidence of borrowing. Likewise, when u see monotheism first in Egypt and then in neighboring canaan. It is reasonable to hypothesize borrowing. U are placing an unreasonable standard that does not allow for use of simple human logic and pattern recognition.
@@skepticalbaby7300 And, of course, the Hebrew alphabet (aleph-beth) represents the same general sequence of letters as well. Although we tend to think of Hebrew as an ancient language, its origins cannot be traced back as far archaeologically as the Canaanite language from which Phoenician/Greek and Hebrew are common descendants. Incidentally, according to Biblical chronology, Abraham, the father of the “Abrahamic” faiths originated from Sumer, from the city of Ur, which might not be the famous Ur, but some other Ur, which was another polytheistic culture (although early references to “El” as a monotheistic concept were already evolving, one of the names used in reference to God in the Torah). One of the innovations of Christianity was to re-introduce an updated concept of polytheism and anthropocentric idolatry to worship, which seems to have an enduring appeal in human societies.
“The story of a persecuted group seeking refuge in the desert (e.g. Mormons) or mountains is common throughout history”. Jos. Smith/Brigham Young: “This is the place!” Moses/Joshua: “This is the place!”
@@skepticalbaby7300 "The pattern of mankind is borrowing. The spread of the alphabet demonstrates as such." I think it's a very fitting example, since cuneiform script was borrowed by many, yet other writing systems emerged separately in neighboring places. To put it differently - would you argue that the saint worship of the catholic was "borrowed" from pagans? Catholics wouldn't react to this accusation too kindly, they'd probably even deny any similarity they could. Which does not change the fact, that both systems look very similar. I believe that it's more likely, that the internal needs of people produced all those aspects of God. There exists a need for the Godfather, but the Godmother is necessary too, at the very least. Sometimes you'd ask your father for help, sometimes mother is much better option. Especially if you happen to be a young lady nearing her first labor, or something like that. It's quite likely that because Akhenaten tried to unify both aspects into one, he created a monstrosity that almost nobody wanted. So if Hebrews were inspired by him, they obviously learned from his mistakes. ;-)
Enjoy the kwcture...but can the questions be held till the end? They are disruptive and only help the questioner feel like they know more than the presenter! Very pretentious questions, remarks!
The Cult of Aten was polytheistic and its pantheon included Aten, Akhenaten and Nefertiti because of Ancient Egyptian tradition of trios of gods: Amun, Mut and Khonsu, Osiris, Isis and Horus etc. This monotheism talk is just projection of modern monotheists who've got no clue of ancient Egyptian cults, Akhenaten or his Aten cult.
Jesus is Elohim Gibor Elohim Gibor is Geburah Geburah is Mars That's the secret. Jesus is El Gibor=Heru Khuti=Aten The Aten is Ra Heru Khuti Ra is Heru Khuti Heru Khuti is Mars Elohim Gibor/Jesus/Samael Geburah Mighty God The key.. Ra is Heru Khuti Heru Khuti is Mars Ra Heru Khuti
Monotheism is not progress. Akhenaton was probably a dictator and had some form of psychopathy. Monotheism is inherently dangerous for several reasons. First, it creates an "in group" and an "out group". Since there is only one true God, those who are non-believers are not merely followers of a different path in life, but are infidels or blasphemers. If you tolerate non believers, you risk God's wrath. Also, when your religion is the one true faith it admits no room for error and can't grow and change with the times. When God's salvation is limited and only meted out to those who pass an arbitrary criteria, what are you willing to do to achieve that limited salvation? With paganism you at least have the option of choosing other gods, and each God's way is not considered the "only way" or the "one true way", but one of a smorgasbord to choose from.
@@767scarecrow A number. One of the best comes from looking at the skeletons of workers buried at the site of his new temple complex. The working conditions seem very bad from what we can see of the skeletons found. A lot of stress related injuries, for instance backs that would have been very painful for the owners. Lots of the infants dying and clues that people suffered from malnutrition. Supposedly such workers wouldn't have been slaves, but I have to wonder why truly free people would work under such conditions. His son immediately undid what he had done, and there was a military coup no long after. All in all it hints at a lot of discontent in the current ruling class. Plus, the "I am the one true God's representative, I represent to only one true religion" stuff just comes off as megalomaniacal. Not perfect proof, but all very suggestive that he's not a nice guy, not a good leader. Historically, people who display such attitudes aren't good leaders. Or if people think they're good leaders, it's because they were successful at killing a lot of people and taking over big empires. Which is a pretty crappy way of judging someone great if you ask me.
Yes blinders of our judeo Christian up bringing, this is why gladiators an their role in Roman society is alien to the modern western society that we are members of. When that state encourages dominion over others the religions an culture begin to make more sense. (This is a rather crude un nuanced explanation but should give you a rough understanding, of the blindness caused by morals we are taught by our true culture. The core beliefs the most important of our morals the ones that do not change regardless of technology or environment should and often are taught in all decent education systems of the west even though they may be divorced from their judeo Christian or other traditional religion that share the same basic core ideas such as truth versus lies, these core ideas should be promoted maybe more now then before especially as the human tendency to centralize power continues and especially as has been demonstrated by such failures of centralized power as the genocide committed by highly centralized states that failed to vigorously uphold these core beliefs has demonstrated. As bad as a state that is highly centralized and not a ardent follower of truth( think communist catastrophes caused by very powerful people believing things that aren’t true, see agricultural policy that killed millions or Nazi ethnic beliefs which caused the death of 11 million Jews and others that didn’t fit the Nazi ethnic theories) Anyway as bad as these examples are, and there pretty bad. I would argue that the coming environment brought about by ever increasing technological advances will demand a rigorous belief in the core judeo Christian beliefs ( the beliefs such as truth over lies mercy an compassion over revenge, justice for all) the core beliefs not the dietary or other beliefs that may not even be in the scriptures or were more a result of then current political beliefs. These ideas must be promoted to the extreme as science will begin to give the agency of godlike powers to us mortal beings. A recent example of these powers going awry is the coronavirus and its most probable creation and escape from a lab in China. The probability of this happening is minimal if the people involved in its creation held a strong belief in the importance of honesty, as the authorities involved in its creation would have had their authority rescinded if they had been honest in the first place. In conclusion I theorize that the importance of such traditional core beliefs should be rigorously promoted in both education, state policy, and in both art an music not only that the many ways one can separate truth from lie an reality from unreality should also be promoted and if not we as a race will face many avoidable disastrous mistakes that become ever more dangerous as we become more technically advanced
Dude, are u daft?? (Heb. Nimrud) was the tower of Bable (immediately after the flood). And Abraham was Sodom and Gomorrah, decades ( centuries?) later AFTER the destruction of the tower of Bable (dispersion #1), the earth had to repopulate itsself in tribes (language), and Sodom (and the 10 surrounding towns) didn't build its self overnight, it took a few 100 years, AFTER Nimrud! My God, the misinformation presented here is ??? Timelines are important!
This is fundamentally wrong out of the gate. No religious figures believe monotheism developed out of paganism. Paganism canonically came from monotheism not the other way around. Disappointed critical flaw. Such a scholar should know these basics.
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All you say are hopeful guesswork and far from the truth Akanaten was the pharaoh who hated Amon and all that sculptures Only that he has understood the trick of the priests of Amon He removed that useless religion of Egypt with the support of the Egypt safer prophet Joseph . Akanaten was real monotheis he was converted to Abraham religion,
I enjoy all of the lectures on this channel. What bothers me is when people interrupt and you can't hear the questions or comments and it's disrespectful to the speaker. I think they should be done last and with a microphone so we can hear the questions or comments so we know what he's referring to.
Really hope the questions are kept to a minimum this time. The lecturer is fantastic but some members of the audience are not.
I hope someone told Shaheen just how rude she was during this talk
Just one of the many reasons I approve of the current lack of a live audience. The interruptions are gone!
John, you are LEGEND!!! 🧩 Truly excellent content, you really do restore my faith in humanity (for the most part). I appreciate understanding of where our faiths originate from a critical but fair frame of reference. I look forward to your channel’s continued growth and increasing the quality of conversation on can have with those willing - all without an opinionated, bookish attitude which isn’t conducive to moving us forward. Cheers!
P.S.
I award you x♾️ of 🎤’s. 😜
This is not pertinent to any specific lecture but, john Hamer, your name sounds like a bad ass super hero for a reason!!
I have so much fun listening to you that my roommate thinks im insane because i ask questions and laugh out loud from the weirdo joy i get from pausing, doing some research then listening to you already know all the shit i just read!!!
You have contributed greatly to me searching for answers only to realize how much joy i feel in knowing i cant know the answers.
Thank you!!
P.S. you should do a talk about ignostisicsm. The definition alone is esoteric enough that you have to read it a few times to realize that its what we all really are. But what do i know.
I really enjoy the questions. I learn way more than without them.
I really wish she would just stop attending these lectures. You KNOW who I’m talking about.
I think this is the meaning of that weird artistic potrayal of pharaoh:
- baby face = everlasting fresh, youth, purity and innocence
- androgyne, male/female = divinity (God) contains and transcends any polarity (male/female)
One god for all of them; men, women and children. In the end he created a monstrosity, whom nobody wanted to worship.
Which reminds me, they proposed here that this duality (or even a trinity) was somehow influenced by the language, which contained grammatical gender. My native tongue does contain that too and this structure carries no meaning, behind grammar. While I can easily imagine that people not familiar with it would feel it somehow gotta matter, at least a little bit, I find it hard to believe that Egyptians would too. I mean, in my tongue the earth is declined as "female", the moon as "male", the sky as "neuter". Yet we all know that those entities have no gender. We *really* do know that.
Watch the 1954 classic movie, "The Egyptian", which is about Akenaten & is free on youtube.
I can’t watch it because it’s really terribly portrayed. If you know any history on Kemet/Egypt you would know that Caucasians were definitely not the main population. Can’t watch inaccurate depictions. We need an updated movie showing how we really looked!!
@@dakotahill8502 in 1954 I doubt there were many Egyptian actors wandering the streets of Hollywood. Why don't you make the film?
Thanks for that tip! I'm checking that out. Concerning the "Caucasian" matter:has Hollywood ever gotten history right? They are still picking the most unlikely-looking actors. The recent movie on Alexander (and his Afghan bride,Roxanna)comes to mind.
@@dakotahill8502 to the ebbbbbbb
@@dakotahill8502 How did “you” _really_ look during the reign of Akhenaten?
While working in Saudi Arabia, I met an Egyptian national who was very fair complected, and I inquired about his “racial” or genetic traits. He pointed out (which I hadn’t initially noticed) that his eyes as well had the shape of Egyptian style eyes as depicted in the ancient portraiture, sculptures, and iconography of Ancient Egypt. He indicated that there has been an ethnic community in Egypt that traces its origins back to the ruling dynasties in the early kingdoms.
I’m sure there was a diversity of ethnicities present in Egypt during the time of pharaohs. Maybe you know more about this than I, to the point that you simply cannot abide the notion of actors of Northern European origin portraying characters in ancient Egypt. Seems like that might represent a lack of imagination on your part as much as any woke racial sensibilities.
In any case, I found the movie interesting, and it injected a number of other subplots that were probably imaginary, but helped to create an interesting story, including weaving Horemheb into the succession (while excluding Tutankhamen, whose connection to Akhenaten was not yet known at the time the movie was made).
I loved the 10 Commandments too, and watched it time & time again. In fact, I got really spooked by the Plague of the Firstborn -- being a tomboy, I thought angels might mistake me for a boy, as people often did, and I am my parents' firstborn. The only way I could calm my anxiety about it on Passover was to prick my finger & make marks on our door jamb, just like the ones from the show, but much smaller (I didn't have a paintbrush & a bucket of blood, that's for sure!)
Yule Brenner was the BEST! "So let it be written! So let it be done!"
Teaching children these fantasy stories is abusive
@@donaldhawkins9173 Teaching kids atheist THEORY is fantasy.. is preparing them for Hell, if you really love your kids you will put the Fear of God into them: Teaching them about a million genders is child abuse: There is only MALE and FEMALE: allowing your kids to watch satanic movies in child abuse: allowing your kids to have a smartphone is child abuse. When men feared God the world was a much more stable and sane place to live in, children didnt want to cut their body parts off back then and women were where they belong, AT HOME.
Proverbs 29:15
King James Version
15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.
Oh, you could write a novel or short story about this, some stream-of-consciousness piece, like Virginia Wolf, only much better
Awesome stuff. Thanks for sharing.
@@donaldhawkins9173you can’t remove a child’s imagination boss. These fantasies have stood the test of time for a reason and you cannot know what the imagination will create on it’s own without these fantasies to guide it.
When Moses first approaches Pharaoh, he asks to be allowed to go out into the desert to worship their god. That is an odd part of the text, and it reminds me of how Amenhotep/Akhenaten's Aten cult had performed its rituals out in the desert...
Btw -- a good lecture would be on the Hyksos...
Did you know that ahkenaten built temples and alters at my Sinai
It's good that Shaheen (sp?) explained to the lecturer what he'd literally just explained twice, while Elizabeth had also illustrated the concept very efficiently & with an example that is local & thus familiar to her fellow Canadians present in the room. It adds colour & character(s) to proceedings. Relive it in full by clicking here... 16:02
The audience interruptions ruin the flow of these otherwise excellent lectures, for me.
I find her repeat interruptions to be incredibly rude. She's not adding to the lecture.
@@SEMIA123 It's funny: now it's been so long since we have seen John give a lecture in front of his group of locals, I actually miss them all. I think he is at his best when handling a crowd as he lectures.
God, I just watched it again. It's SO funny! 🤣
@@obaaneaty Don't you miss it all, though?! 😄
Very Most Appreciated Thanks
I really enjoyed this lecture!
I'm increasingly convinced monotheism vs polytheism doesn't capture things accurately. It's more like a spectrum. You have hard monotheism and hard polytheism, but you also have soft monotheism and soft polytheism.
Where would you place Joseph Smith's Nauvoo period Mormonism? That's where the plurality of gods and world first emerged. Where would you put the Binitarianism in the Lectures on Faith? These are tough questions.
@@anvilbrunner.2013 one must know human are knowledgeable not believer
@@amatullahhafeez2344 yes knowledge has value. Belief is foolish.
Agree. In my first Comparative Religion class,there was a distinction between strict monotheism in Judaism and dualism in Zoroastrianism,and it just seemed like vague distinctions,and it's all hopeless by the time you get to Christianity's trinity.
@@anvilbrunner.2013 Faith is a belief in something that you do not yet have a perfect knowledge of. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. I would suggest to you that you believe in many things of which you have but an imperfect, or as you would say, “deficient” knowledge.
@@HowNotToDoStuff Yes Mel, I'd readily admit that there are mysteries beyond human faculty which I have witnessed first hand. Those events fall into the category self evident, to the self as witness, because senses registered them. Nil faith required. Belief doesn't enter the equation. Substance & faith are opposites. If someone has strung those words into a sentence as somehow corollary. He or She would be a Machiavellian type. A charlatan whom take's advantage of those lesser mortals whom would have to be semi literate or completely illiterate.
If there's a God Melvin. The evidence surely indicates that He /She is an vindictive, sadistic, narcissist of the lowest order. Unworthy of the least among our species' love or adoration.
I'm pretty sure he knows which way the Nile flows. And yeah lady us uneducated people know a river can flow south to north.
If he knew, he wouldn't refer to it as a thing of the past when maps where not aligned north.
Modern geography still adresses rivers according to its current. Left and right bank of a river, as well as up and down a river are unambiguos.
The lady is correct. People who can't read maps shouldn't be the ones explaining them on stage.
@@kelstad Please. You don't understand what was being said. The guy also used to be a map-maker before. Go re-listen to it. You are just looking for something to blow air over.
1:40:55 All of those rulers WERE mummified! However, in the dying days of the New Kingdom, when the Amun priests had fully taken over after the Bronze Age collapse, all of the tombs were systematically looted by the government, the mummies were lightly re-wrapped and placed in re-cycled coffins usually not their own, and placed in a couple of tombs taken over for that purpose. Later, some of the mummies were disturbed by further looters, even though by now there was no gold or other precious materials to be had. Most of the mummies had some sort of identification, but the later looting left them in some cases without ID. Hence the uncertainty regarding the parents of Tutankhamun, whose mummies we have but whose identities are inferred. Tutankhamun's tomb was so buried by rubble that the late New Kingdom official looters overlooked it, but in fact he was rather poorly mummified.
1:11:00 The genealogical chart has many uncertainties, needing better and more extensive DNA testing where possible. I suspect that the key figure of the later 18th Dynasty is Yuya, who may have been the brother of Mutemwya and father of Ay, though neither is attested. The tomb of Yuya and the royally-descended Tuyu, with their excellent mummies, was the best preserved tomb discovered before that of Tutankhamun, although it had been looted of its most precious items. It is not too likely that Ay was the father of Nefertiti; his wife Tey is attested as Nefertitii's wet-nurse. There is a possibility that Horemheb's second wife, Mutnodjmet, was a daughter of Ay. All of this is interesting, given that Ay probably usurped the throne after Tutankhamun's death instead of the designated heir or "iry pat" Horemheb.
Nefertiti must be a daughter of amenhotep lll. Because we know that the mummy of kv35yl is the mother of tutankhamun kv62. Also was kv35yl identifyed as the daughter of kv35el. Kv35el was identified as the daughter of juja and tuja kv46. Kv35yl was also identifyed as daughter of amenhotep lll.
Kv35yl looks very familiar to the Berlin bust of nefertiti. this is important because the bust is the best way to identify nefertiti. the mummy of kv35yl is so close familiar with nefertiti bust that's tells us again she must be a close family member. So kv35yl is nefertiti by herself or kv35yl must be a sister of nefertiti. I think nefertiti name was satamun / sitamun. Or Isis. This are the name of the daughters of amenhotep lll. The mummy kv35yl is also the sister of akhenaten kv55! The mummy of kv55 was clearly identified as the son of kv35el and amenhotep lll. If not kv35yl is nefertiti, akhenaten had given birth to 7 children with two of his sisters . So the easiest assumption is nefertiti is the mother of tutankhamun. And the mother of 7 children. She was a powerful queen and after death of akhenaten she became Pharao by herself with her epithet neferneferuaton as first name and her Thronname was ankhcheperura. She was beginning to restore the old gods and changed her name again to semenchkare and kept her Thronname ankhcheperura. After her death tutankhamun became Pharao. Nefertiti could not been a foreign wife of akhenaten, because the royal family tries to hold grip to power.
thats why they married there own family members. I think aje or eje is a family member also. Maybe a brother or cousin from teje. It is not plausible that nefertiti was a daughter of eje because eje never mentioned that. Also nefertiti never talks about her family.
Because she don't need to because she was known as a very close member of the royal family. If she were not a close member of the royal family, why she never introduced herself? How she get tolerated by the priesthood of the solar god ra, if she was not a part of God's ra Inkarnation from the royal family? How could a "outsider" from the royal family succeed power as powerful as nefertiti was?
and tomb robbery taking place at every time in egypt history.
with good reason. because to bury all treasury for iternity makes no sense.
so i understand when egypten reused everything.
even tutankhamun reused many grave furniture from ekhenaton and ankhchperura
Yes, I've heard that too.
What show was that which featured an ankh as its secret society's symbol? It symbolized long life -- or eternal life? "Sanctuary" -- the group was seeking it, I think.
I believe the body shape is to symbolize a strong solar, hence the large bellies but also a softness. Feminine energy, present in the shape and lines of the statue
The Prophet Yusuf a.k.a Yuzarsif lived in "Atun" era, and worshipped the monotheism God "Allah SWT". U can found the story of Atun and how he be a monotheism worshipper God in " Story of 11 brothers of Prophet Yusuf". All of the Prophets tell us about the same thing called "Tauhid" start from Prophet Adam until the last of Prophets, Muhammad SAW. Then u will find the connections between all of the prophets who live in their own era and Islam itself 😊
By the willing of Almighty and through the Prophet Joseph he Amenhoteph IV became monotheistic in belief
Akhenaten's exclusive worship of the sun god Aton led early Egyptologists to claim that he created the world's first monotheistic religion. However, modern scholarship notes that Akhenaten's cult drew from aspects of other gods-particularly re-Harakhte, Shu, and Maat-in its imagining and worship of Aton. - Encyclopedia Brittanica
well presented
My favorite channel now
The Khristos is a Hellene translation of the ancienne spiritual practices of Kemet, Ethiopia and Nubia.
I was born in Poland and in my language we have feminine and masculine and also the third which is of not differentiated, but it's just the matter of grammar for me. It doesn't make me feel like mountain or flor are female or chair is male. So it's not so clear if the rays were really female for Egiptians.
Ohhhh my stop giving this lady a microphone
Ahmed Osman... Out of Egypt 👍📘
Thutmose III was a pious man.
When he erased his aunt's name from monuments he frequently replaced it with the names of his father and grandfather, to the great confusion of Egyptologists.
Yet another misogynist
The Quran states that the Egyptians were monotheists for some period when Joseph became part of the ruling class
The Kmt people that lived in Memphis were monotheist/"henotheist-to-the-Creator" under the name of Ptah until they were conquered by the Ennead (9 "single-entity" oligarch/family-unit gods) worshiping people from lower Nile. In fact, evidence seems to show that A LOT of polytheism started by conquerors trying to join the priests/cultures they had conquered under "1 heavenly family unit" so their subjects would all get along without needed to be wiped out as they were making the emperor/empire more wealth by staying alive and working/paying-taxes. So individual "first cultures" were worshiping only their city's single-god of everything or a small divine family (husband god and wife god; often with children if childbirth had to be encouraged in the oppressive State)
No, because the ancient Egyptians worshipped the sun God Ra, not the Abrahamic God.
Joseph worshipped the Abrahamic God.
@@skepticalchristian5528 The King of Egypt worshipped the one God
@@skepticalchristian5528 I have questions about the reference to Ra imagery in the Old Testament,the Sun of Righteousness with healing in its (His?) wings..
The Quran came 800 years AFTER Christianity and borrowed stories from everywhere, getting most of them wrong. Read clearly, WRONG. Let me share with you what the Quran got wrong, ok?
If you claim it was sent to confirm what came before, meaning the Bible, then it darn sure better get it right in order to claim it confirms. It does in NO way.
1: Isa bin Maryam bint Imran NEVER EXISTED.
The Quran confused Miriam, the daughter of Amram and the sister of Moses and Aaron, with Mary, the mother of Jesus.
2: The name of Jesus in Arabic is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT Isa.
It is Yesu. Get it right.
3: Haman made bricks for Pharaoh (a man's name).
Haman was the grand vizier under ARTAXERXES and NEVER EVER was a brick maker, and Pharaoh is a title, NOT A NAME. And the tradition of hanging Haman is the start of the Jewish festival Purim.
4: Abraham being thrown into the fire.
This has confused the kings, the Quran says Nimrod but it was Nebuchadnezzar who threw Shadrack, Mesheck and Abednego into the fire for not bowing to Nebuchadnezzar's statue.
Get it into your frickin head, NEVER say the Quran says anything when it does not get anything of anything right, and most stories are borrowed from mistaken stories from Talmud.
YES, your traditions came from TALMUD, NOT Torah. Therefore, these "revelations from allah" are nothing more than retold stories from RABBIS.
Don't even say the Bible is corrupted to get out of the errors of Islam and the Quran. The Bible is proven in Torah and Tanakh in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the New Testament has NEVER done away with the Torah and Tanakh. But muslims did, making some stupid book with a whole bunch of historical errors.
The Quran is NOTHING.
Also, according to 53, your allah is jibreel who is the lord of Sirius. Do you need the whole chapter read to you? And NOPE, Egypt was NOT monotheist in the time of Joseph because Joseph was given a wife by the Pharaoh and she was a daughter of a polytheist priest. Joseph's name was changed by Pharaoh to Zaphathanea.
So do you want to keep holding on to a false book that could not even get simple names and stories right and does not confirm in any way what came before, even though it claims it does? Read carefully, the Torah and Tanakh were NEVER changed and the New Testament merely was merely added to them.
Do you want me to show you the actual Talmud chapters that say Adam learned to bury Abel from a raven, that Iblis refused to bow down to Adam and that you can't eat garlic in the mosque? Talmud is NOT scripture, NOT Bible, NEVER intended to be the Bible, it is opinions and legends of the rabbis. So if you believe the Quran, then your allah was nothing more than a Jewish rabbi. Funny that.
The Talmud came 300 years BEFORE Quran. A book of opinions and legends, and you call those opinions and legends as revelation from Allah and that is the funniest historical joke ever. Get it? A joke. A joke. A joke. A joke. Understand?
The volume is a bit low on this one.
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Velikovsky linked Akhenaten with the Greek story of Oedipus -perhaps the practice of incest among Egyptian royalty inspired this theory as Oedipus married his own mother!
The volume level is wayyyyyy toooo low.
Can you comment on Amun and Amen as used in prayers until this day. Is there an etymological link or even something beyond? And if so it could be a remnant of paganism that has survived and made it into monotheism? Great series and amazing educational work, truly enlightening! Congratulations, I love this channel. God bless you.
I believe Josef the Hebrew dreamer was a sun worshipper who sought visions like Native Americans and he lead the Egyptians to aten worship
Amen today and Amun are not related
Amen isn’t pagan it’s the truth. Modern Christianity is pagan tho
I read an interesting article by a rabbi when I was young. Amen was God in all things not Jewish. It must have come in handy to end prayers with this word during the time the Hebrews lived in Egypt. I was a kid at the time I read it & never memorized names, just concepts, so I have no idea who wrote it... if it was Jewish belief, incredible scholarship, or just theory on the rabbi’s part. It was, however, better than my teachers’ response to “why do we invoke the name of a New Kingdom Egyptian god at the end of prayers?” Christians proved once again to be intolerant a-holes & I forget what punishment was inflicted for asking but I did so quite a few times after & smiled my head off, sort of giving the original punishment the raspberry as it were. My teachers at that school were weirdos who thought punishments were a way to control people. It reflects badly on the school and unfortunately is still a tactic of the philosophically weak and religiously pathetic.
The Egyptian Amun written in Kemetian (ancient Egyptian language) is actually _imn_ . Original translation of Kemetian Amun into Hebrew had it spelled with a jodh (which is pronounced _ya_ ). In English, jodh is the equivalent of - j - , but in English the j is pronounced as a j not as ya (i.e. English Joseph vs Hebrew Yosef). So, the Hebrew translation and pronounciation of Kemetian _imn_ is actually _yimn_ or _yamn_ which is quite different from the Hebrew _amen_ which is spelled not with a yodh but an aleph (A). Other than that, the Hebrew amen is defined as 'firm/confirmed' while the Kemetian amun is defined as 'the hidden'.
It's a bit unfortunate and leads to a lot of misunderstanding, the fact that translations from Semitic and Afro-Asiatic languages into post-Latin languages butcher the original pronunciations significantly. Part of the problem is that most of the translations into Romance languages first went through intermediary languages of Latin and Koine Greek which is missing some alphabets found in preceding languages such as Hebrew, i.e. the Hebrew Yoseph becomes the Greek/Latin Ioseph which then becomes the German/English Joseph. In other words, many of the pronunciations you have in post-Latin languages actually do not exist in previous languages such as Semitic - case in point: Amun.
Suzanna Maria Emmanuel was Nefertiti, and was married to Akhenaten.
Thank you for your work. I highly recommend channel "Lady Babylon". Start from beginning.
Doesn’t sound like monotheism rather than a favorite God. In Zoroastrianism there seems to be the idea that there is only one God who is creator God and moral dualism. The crown cone is theorized by the Electric Universe series as a symbol of the sun God Saturn in the ancient sky and the great Conjunction. The crown turned upside down is a symbol of Mars coming out of the alignment. In Hinduism Brahman is not a creator God so much as the principle of everything. Namaste, the god in me greets the god in you, seems more pantheistic, as in the beginningless mind. Your atman is one with the Brahman. Interesting lecture. Worth listening to again.
More henotheism or monolatry than strict monotheism for sure.
This vid is great for playing the drinking game.
Every time you here OK, chug..!
immaculate conception: it doesn’t mean what you think it means immaculate means “without stain (of sin)” and refers to mary, not jesus - she was, from her mother’s womb, conceived without the stain of original sin, in order to be a perfect vessel for her future son (of god) , jesus - it has nothing directly to do with jesus 99 pc of non catholics get this wrong and probably half of catholics there is no convenient term for jesus’ conception by the holy spirit, which is why protestants make this assumption ~ atheist former catholic
Remarkable distinction 🌻🐅🐂🐆🐑
There was something about Anne's (Mary's mother) conception too. Not sure what. Former Catholic still a Christian but without a religion here.
Without genetic stain. Nothing to do with sin.
Thanks!
I only like Bible movies that show Roman soldiers in pleated miniskirts. Love the way transgenderism was so readily accepted in the forties, fifties and sixties.
that one lady is kind of annoying
Your an intelligent person. Tell me why is the term Prophet evaded when it comes to Akhebnaten. It is by no stretch this King was a prophet of the one God. Take what he believed and preached and put it up against Prophet Muhammad, and Moses. Note. The Old testiment and Jews do not speak of an after life either.
Does not the O.T. define prophet/navi as people speaking FOR GOD from the lower "tribes" (lower castes really)?
But prophet literally means "foreteller," which is not necessarily about gods.
and navi literally means "receptacle for alpha [to speak through]" or "spokesperson"
which is closer to oracle, which means "praying/speaking one" although it was a title of credentialed authority to Greco-Romans which most often meant the people in the position did not come from the lower castes.
The O.T. says that Israel often had many hundreds (in the 300s at one point) of "navi candidates" living off of the royal family (to keep them under the thumb of the royals most likely), but only the one that got things correct all of the time up to their death would be written down as "true navi" since O.T. says there is only 1 navi per generation at some point.
So Akhenaten would have had to say that he was possessed by the Aten and it was speaking through him to be considered a navi, and to be a Jewish navi he would have had to have been from the Jewish lower castes which they called tribes but they were obviously a caste system.
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Your definition is ruled by the definition of others.
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I think your missing my point. Akhenaten was and all he clearly believed that there is ONE GOD. I studied Islam and what. I know that one set out to expelling idolatry the other was tolerant. One had a book. One did not.
@@letsomethingshine world of Navi in Slavic mythology is Hell. Lover vibration, look @ Ynglism on Wikipedia and there is some contacts to websites on bottom.
I really enjoy these lectures....painless learning! Really expanding my horizons of history. Thanks.😊
It's weird to here him constantly say RAY instead of Ra
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Didn't ahkenaten dad call himself the DAZZLING ATEN
Egypt goes way before 3000 BC:
Can someone please give me an answer
Was Akhenaten Moses of the bible? according to the geneology lectures of the great royal families from Sumer to Britain provided by Laurence Gardner, which you can find on youtube
Tutmoses.
Is it possible Akhenaten was the pharaoh of Moses, and, after experiencing the strength of Moses' God, Akhenaten decided to worship "Atun" under the assumption this was the God who fought against his army?
Some believe that HE WAS MOSES!
Nope. There was already a considerable Aten cult under Amenhotep III.
@@awuma Yes, but that doesn't mean that Akhenaten wasn't inspired by something that he or his father physically experienced as is described in the Bible, and the only way he cold reconcile that experience was by believing that he, or his father, had actually seen "Aten", the "Sun Disc", convincing him that this god was real, unlike all the others that he or anyone else he knew had never actually seen. "Pillar of cloud", "pillar of fire", "out of the glory of the Lord came the spirit of the Lord, one shone light on the Hebrew camp while the other fought off the Egyptian army all night as the waters parted", the glowing ball that hovered above the "mercy seat" of the Ark to speak to Moses. Not to mention "out of the glory of the Lord in the sky came the spirit of the Lord, which sat down in front of the Tabernacle, shot out fire and consumed the offering. Then Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu walked up to it with a censer of "strange incense", at which point the "spirit of the Lord" shot out flames and killed them, causing Aaron to rightfully flip out, and Moses to say "take Aaron away before God kills us all!". Was there any truth to this at all, or is the entire Torah just made-up? Could it have been the same things that people have been seeing throughout the 20th century, and that the Pentagon says are real, physical objects? I know it's an odd theory, but it's a valid one when all of the data is considered.
@@billybatson8657 As said in this lecture, the story of Exodus takes place several centuries after the death of Akenatkin.
Most importantly though, the development of the Jewish relgion dedicated to YHWH does not have much evidence of there being an exodus or migration of Jewish people. The archeology shows that the Jewish religion came out of the Caananite culture, so there is a development of the Hebrew language that splits from the Caananite language. In other words, ancient Jewish scripture was written in Caananite. On top of this, the ancient Jewish religion is intertwined with Caananite mythology (the children of El and also at one point Yahweh is brother to Ba'el, son of El, and consort to Ashtoreth) and also the culture. Hence, there is a strong emphasis of Caananite mythology in Jewish scripture such as Baal worship from the beginning of Exodus (the golden calf is not a reference to the Apis Bull [which was a living bull incarnation] but instead a reference to the Idolatry practiced by Caananites) that perputually competes against the worship of YHWH in Jewish scriptures.
It is possible though there is Egyptian influence on the Jewish religion (as there is proven to be Egyptian influence and trade and even rulership over the Canannites) because of the serpentine staff of Moses and the brazen serpent raised up, which is like the serpentine staff or Ureaus of Thoth (later known as staff of Hermes [Trismesgitus] or Cadeuceus and staff of Asclepsius).
I am guessing he saw God, for God is a brilliant light like the sun. Once the rays of God's light touch you, there is an instant transfer of knowledge. @@billybatson8657
In case you do not realize THIS, ahkenaten was worshipping like his ancestors of the old world, you know like Dineh, Cherokee,Maya, Aztec,Sioux, etc... my ancestors in the Americas were already worshipping the way ahkenaten was feeling, history itself shows THIS, WATEVER color the people were that came to the Americas and CHANGED the worship of THE ONE GOD to THEIR pagan AMEN worship, the evil ones know the Sun is the door, you can't pass the fire or flame unless you're worthy, I do appreciate people who do research, it helps to straighten watt it is crooked, but forreals, IMMANUEL Mary and Joseph went back to KEMET, IMMANUEL went back to Bethlehem and started preaching ONE GOD, the only ONE GOD in that region is ATEN, like I said I appreciate researchers
Tut's mom could have been Akhenaten's daughter
Who is the teacher?
Akhenaten, son/sun of God, was the first prophet of the monotheistic religions
so why it was rejected after his death because it was a foreigner religious concept might be the exodus aftermath by the way anifiyyah is one God religion practiced by Abraham sort of proto Judaism
Love this lecture and the inability to understand this "religion"
The Sun, Ra/Re, having Rays that hold Ankhs, that symbolized life, is literally what the Sun does
It is the most obvious of all religions, it's factual, literal, with no questions or myth
Egyptian belief in Aten/Re including Ma'at are simply the best
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I really enjoyed the talk. However, the reasoning behind the lack of a connection with Abrahamic monotheism is very weak. You state that there are common political forces that drive these two monarchies to monotheism. But these conditions weren't unique to just these two. Other monarchies had similar issues but didn't resort to monotheism to solve them. If your theory were reasonable then we should see many more examples in history. Given the fact that the Hebrews were in such close contact with the Egyptians it makes more sense that one borrowed from the other. Because egypt was a more complex society, egypt would face and solve the issue with monotheism first and as with most things the Hebrews probably borrowed from egypt. Plus we have the biblical stories of the Hebrews living in egypt. Abraham, Joseph and brothers, Moses (egyptian name meaning son of, son of what exactly?), even Jesus all go to egypt. The exodus. The story of the Israelite and their story cannot be told without egypt. If these people were vastly separated then an independent development of monotheism would make sense. But it doesn't in light of their connections.
My thoughts are that Hebrews come to egypt with the hyksos. Akhenaten creates his monotheism. As minorities seeking royal favor and protection from the chief egyptian cult priests, Hebrews wholeheartedly embrace Akhenaten's new religion. Akhenaten's religion is suppressed, Hebrews are persecuted, and decide to leave egyptian controlled territory under an Aten priest named moses. Hebrews become refugees in desert to stay hidden. Egyptian authority in Palestine breaks down and the Hebrews decide to take over the hills in Palestine during the chaos.
This story of a persecuted group seeking refuge in the desert (e.g. mormons) or mountains is common throughout history.
There is very little evidence of any connection between the two religious revolutions and it's pretty certain that the leaders of the Judean knew nothing of Akhenaten 700 years earlier. They did remember Ramses II (probably).
The only possible link is the resemblance between Psalm 104 and a part of The Great Hymn to The Aten.
Moses is no more historical than Hercules.
@@alanpennie8013 I disagree. There is plenty of circumstantial evidence. That is, the circumstances point to a long history of interaction and borrowing between these neighboring people. It's not enough evidence to prove the hypothesis, obviously. My point was simply that independent development of similar ideas between neighboring people is improbable. The pattern of mankind is borrowing. The spread of the alphabet demonstrates as such. Even that is not based on 'direct' but circumstantial evidence. Could the shape and names on the letter beta be independently invented? Yes, of course. But when you see it first in phonecia and then in neighboring Greece, you hypothesize that Greece borrowed it from phonecia. There is no direct evidence of borrowing. Likewise, when u see monotheism first in Egypt and then in neighboring canaan. It is reasonable to hypothesize borrowing. U are placing an unreasonable standard that does not allow for use of simple human logic and pattern recognition.
@@skepticalbaby7300 And, of course, the Hebrew alphabet (aleph-beth) represents the same general sequence of letters as well. Although we tend to think of Hebrew as an ancient language, its origins cannot be traced back as far archaeologically as the Canaanite language from which Phoenician/Greek and Hebrew are common descendants.
Incidentally, according to Biblical chronology, Abraham, the father of the “Abrahamic” faiths originated from Sumer, from the city of Ur, which might not be the famous Ur, but some other Ur, which was another polytheistic culture (although early references to “El” as a monotheistic concept were already evolving, one of the names used in reference to God in the Torah).
One of the innovations of Christianity was to re-introduce an updated concept of polytheism and anthropocentric idolatry to worship, which seems to have an enduring appeal in human societies.
“The story of a persecuted group seeking refuge in the desert (e.g. Mormons) or mountains is common throughout history”.
Jos. Smith/Brigham Young: “This is the place!”
Moses/Joshua: “This is the place!”
@@skepticalbaby7300 "The pattern of mankind is borrowing. The spread of the alphabet demonstrates as such."
I think it's a very fitting example, since cuneiform script was borrowed by many, yet other writing systems emerged separately in neighboring places.
To put it differently - would you argue that the saint worship of the catholic was "borrowed" from pagans? Catholics wouldn't react to this accusation too kindly, they'd probably even deny any similarity they could. Which does not change the fact, that both systems look very similar.
I believe that it's more likely, that the internal needs of people produced all those aspects of God. There exists a need for the Godfather, but the Godmother is necessary too, at the very least. Sometimes you'd ask your father for help, sometimes mother is much better option. Especially if you happen to be a young lady nearing her first labor, or something like that.
It's quite likely that because Akhenaten tried to unify both aspects into one, he created a monstrosity that almost nobody wanted. So if Hebrews were inspired by him, they obviously learned from his mistakes. ;-)
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Enjoy the kwcture...but can the questions be held till the end? They are disruptive and only help the questioner feel like they know more than the presenter! Very pretentious questions, remarks!
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The Cult of Aten was polytheistic and its pantheon included Aten, Akhenaten and Nefertiti because of Ancient Egyptian tradition of trios of gods: Amun, Mut and Khonsu, Osiris, Isis and Horus etc. This monotheism talk is just projection of modern monotheists who've got no clue of ancient Egyptian cults, Akhenaten or his Aten cult.
Ankh is 4 seasons and sun
Jesus is Elohim Gibor
Elohim Gibor is Geburah
Geburah is Mars
That's the secret.
Jesus is El Gibor=Heru Khuti=Aten
The Aten is Ra Heru Khuti
Ra is Heru Khuti
Heru Khuti is Mars
Elohim Gibor/Jesus/Samael
Geburah
Mighty God
The key..
Ra is Heru Khuti
Heru Khuti is Mars
Ra Heru Khuti
_"Anthromorphised"?_ Do you mean Anthropomorphised?
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Monotheism is not progress. Akhenaton was probably a dictator and had some form of psychopathy. Monotheism is inherently dangerous for several reasons. First, it creates an "in group" and an "out group". Since there is only one true God, those who are non-believers are not merely followers of a different path in life, but are infidels or blasphemers. If you tolerate non believers, you risk God's wrath. Also, when your religion is the one true faith it admits no room for error and can't grow and change with the times. When God's salvation is limited and only meted out to those who pass an arbitrary criteria, what are you willing to do to achieve that limited salvation? With paganism you at least have the option of choosing other gods, and each God's way is not considered the "only way" or the "one true way", but one of a smorgasbord to choose from.
Reasons for supposing that he was "probably" a dictator or psychopathic?
@@767scarecrow A number. One of the best comes from looking at the skeletons of workers buried at the site of his new temple complex. The working conditions seem very bad from what we can see of the skeletons found. A lot of stress related injuries, for instance backs that would have been very painful for the owners. Lots of the infants dying and clues that people suffered from malnutrition. Supposedly such workers wouldn't have been slaves, but I have to wonder why truly free people would work under such conditions. His son immediately undid what he had done, and there was a military coup no long after. All in all it hints at a lot of discontent in the current ruling class. Plus, the "I am the one true God's representative, I represent to only one true religion" stuff just comes off as megalomaniacal. Not perfect proof, but all very suggestive that he's not a nice guy, not a good leader. Historically, people who display such attitudes aren't good leaders. Or if people think they're good leaders, it's because they were successful at killing a lot of people and taking over big empires. Which is a pretty crappy way of judging someone great if you ask me.
Nimrod. Hated god. Started one god religion
Yes blinders of our judeo Christian up bringing, this is why gladiators an their role in Roman society is alien to the modern western society that we are members of.
When that state encourages dominion over others the religions an culture begin to make more sense. (This is a rather crude un nuanced explanation but should give you a rough understanding, of the blindness caused by morals we are taught by our true culture. The core beliefs the most important of our morals the ones that do not change regardless of technology or environment should and often are taught in all decent education systems of the west even though they may be divorced from their judeo Christian or other traditional religion that share the same basic core ideas such as truth versus lies, these core ideas should be promoted maybe more now then before especially as the human tendency to centralize power continues and especially as has been demonstrated by such failures of centralized power as the genocide committed by highly centralized states that failed to vigorously uphold these core beliefs has demonstrated. As bad as a state that is highly centralized and not a ardent follower of truth( think communist catastrophes caused by very powerful people believing things that aren’t true, see agricultural policy that killed millions or Nazi ethnic beliefs which caused the death of 11 million Jews and others that didn’t fit the Nazi ethnic theories)
Anyway as bad as these examples are, and there pretty bad. I would argue that the coming environment brought about by ever increasing technological advances will demand a rigorous belief in the core judeo Christian beliefs ( the beliefs such as truth over lies mercy an compassion over revenge, justice for all) the core beliefs not the dietary or other beliefs that may not even be in the scriptures or were more a result of then current political beliefs. These ideas must be promoted to the extreme as science will begin to give the agency of godlike powers to us mortal beings. A recent example of these powers going awry is the coronavirus and its most probable creation and escape from a lab in China. The probability of this happening is minimal if the people involved in its creation held a strong belief in the importance of honesty, as the authorities involved in its creation would have had their authority rescinded if they had been honest in the first place. In conclusion I theorize that the importance of such traditional core beliefs should be rigorously promoted in both education, state policy, and in both art an music not only that the many ways one can separate truth from lie an reality from unreality should also be promoted and if not we as a race will face many avoidable disastrous mistakes that become ever more dangerous as we become more technically advanced
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Freud, because of his religion and when this king was relevant to it. Get on the build a narrative boat.
ahkenaten had female body shape👀
Admiral was sleeping with a lot of women what happened with the wives and concubines that's admiral
What a load of waffling on. Much better videos available without the crap.
Was moses black?
Who cares? Racists do.
Now you know where the god of the bible came from.
How is this class going to make you money?
Dude, are u daft?? (Heb. Nimrud) was the tower of Bable (immediately after the flood).
And Abraham was Sodom and Gomorrah, decades ( centuries?) later AFTER the destruction of the tower of Bable (dispersion #1), the earth had to repopulate itsself in tribes (language), and Sodom (and the 10 surrounding towns) didn't build its self overnight, it took a few 100 years, AFTER Nimrud! My God, the misinformation presented here is ??? Timelines are important!
Someone needs to read the apocryphals
Nebuchadnezzar didn't worship Ball. Lies from Bible.
Arron an Moses
I think it is an expression of believing in one god and god supreme power bless the people of egypt. So is not about worshiping the sun.
Eemeli
persians are not white
This is fundamentally wrong out of the gate. No religious figures believe monotheism developed out of paganism. Paganism canonically came from monotheism not the other way around. Disappointed critical flaw. Such a scholar should know these basics.
Are you really saying monotheism was created before polytheism?
how is this blowhard the top comment?
I am jew who has him in my DNA proving that i am also of the line of david and solomon.
ok! sure...that is why dna companies exist...to prove us wrong
besides your attitude is very sauvenistic
What’s more…. Benitez is a very well known Jewish surname.
What can anyone say in reply to that!
How do you money off of this.. I thought college was about learning a skill..
Your suppose to go to college to find a skill..why are they so focused on religion?
How is this going to make you money,?your suppose to learn a skill at college to learn a skill to make money..why is this guy talking about religion?
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And money
This is all stuff you can learn on your own what a waste of parents money
Total waste of time
All you say are hopeful guesswork and far from the truth
Akanaten was the pharaoh who hated Amon and all that sculptures
Only that he has understood the trick of the priests of Amon
He removed that useless religion of Egypt with the support of the Egypt safer prophet Joseph . Akanaten was real monotheis he was converted to Abraham religion,
This guy is so bad
You guys should not be making videos about matters you don’t have a clue about. Sowing more confusion.
Thank you