Paying attention, inspecting and cleaning everything, proper assembly lube and break in oil, running at 2000RPM for 20 minutes. 95% of cam break in problems averted. Good job, sir.
Great video! I've done more cam swaps in cars than on engine stands, even in a van! Summit cam and lifters are in the low dollar 318 since 2016 and still going strong!!
All places saying no to flat tappet cams and they are on the tube bashing saying all are bad and here you are at least 2 cars done with no problems now. I guess you do not have to sell roller stuff LOL. Nice work once again. I would prefer to slip in a Aluminum W.P . since they are available.
I think it depends on the application, some need a roller for sure, some can get away with flat tappet, and if it’s done correctly, it’s still an option. I’m going with an Erson flat tappet and NOS Mopar lifters in my 70 challenger 440.
Hi Joe. I don't normally comment on other peoples videos as I have a Mopar YT Channel of my own but I will on this one. From my experience and testing, expect this Summit cam and lifters combo to show signs of failure in 1000 to 3000 miles. It's a slower destruction process of the lifter due to weaker valve springs being run on this 1967 engine. From my testing, it's not the oils, it's a metallurgical issue relating to steel chemistry (MIL specs) and improper "heat treatment" of the lifter body. Like you, I do all the visual checks and test ALL the lifter crown specs with a dial indicator and install them dry in the engine assembly and rotate the cam by hand to check for rotation. (shown in my videos) I use weak springs on the break in for more radical cams, vary the RPM (1900-2500), monitor coolant/oil temperature... etc...etc. I have broken in FT Comp Cam & lifters, FT Summit Cam & lifters and numerous others on my engine test stand and there is not a "ticking" or "clicking" sound coming from the valve train during my 30 minute break in. Everything sounds as it should! Just like yours did! Smooth as silk. Then I have pulled the intake off, removed the rockers and push rods to inspect the lifters. Typically in my cases, 1 to 4 lifters (in random locations through out the engine and in different engines 340's, 360's, 383's, 440's and strokers) indicate that they have stopped rotating and are showing very LIGHT (straight line) lobe wear across the lifter face. This is "metal to metal" wear and indicates the lifter has stopped rotating. It is a slow/delayed self destruction of the lifter and lobe (due to softer lifter metals as I have sent the "cams" out for Rockwell/Vickers hardness testing). Very similar to the lifter(s) you pulled out of that 440 engine before the swap. If it's the oil(s) why don't ALL 16 lifters show the same wear? It's the same ZDDP oil splashing on each lifter during break in and during regular driving! (you never stated or ID'd in your video whether that cam you removed from that 440 was an aftermarket piece or not?...my guess is it is an aftermarket cam and lifter set as it is not often that someone just changes push rods for an original "stock" '67 HP cam?) You (and your client) may get lucky and have no issues with this set up...but it's a crap shoot!......I don't and will not use a Comp or Summit Flat Tappet cam or lifters in ANY of my engine assemblies. Too many failures especially from Comp. For "off the shelf" grinds I generally use Howard's and Hughe's FT cams and various makes of FT lifters (listed in Poly 318's video) as I have had no failures yet. The lost time and money to replace them consumes the little profit margin I have quoted the customer for. Just my opinion for what its worth. Good luck with your Mopar builds. Regards, Tim. P.S. Poly 318 did a YT video on FT lifters that is worth watching. www.youtube.com/@Poly318/videos
@@metalmaxmopar9520 thank you for sharing. This can fit my customer’s needs perfectly for this engine. We know that any flat tappet cam can fail in any environment nowadays. We do our best and leave it up to fate. But we knew with the other cam(potentially changed) going bad, that this engine may need a complete overhaul, and it wasn’t in his budget to do that at this point. I picked the cheapest non Comp option that many guys have had success with. 1,000-3,000 may take him several years to achieve in this car, but we were able to get it back up and going before his wife’s memorial service, which was the day after the test drive shown. I’m going with a new Erson flat tappet and Mopar NOS lifters from the early 2000’s in my challenger’s 440. Wish me luck!
@@JustMoparJoe Understood Joe as we all have budgets to adhere too. Condolences to your client for his loss. If he ever comes to you to rebuild that '915 headed '67 440, I can give you the part numbers to make a true "quench" head engine assembly from those closed chamber '915 castings. The video of the engine that I did this to is the: "440 6 Pack Quench Head Engine"......... I have on my YT channel. A real strong runner on pump gas with a lot more HP & TQ potential with a larger cam and a later series 4BBL intake rather than the 55 year old "6 pack" induction system. I was very limited in my cam choice as this customer wanted to run ONLY his cast iron exhaust manifolds!
Very informative gives me confidence to do the 6901 Summit cam on my small box 318. Thanks for the information Joe and remember RtV when you think it’s too much it’s perfect lol
Great video Joe. I like the approach here with parts selection. That Fury probably has really tall gears so it should be really happy out on the highway now.
Hi Joe!!! I love watching your videos and just seeing how you work, and the finished results are always satisfying 😊. I wanna build another engine or two before I put the wrenches down for good one day 😊. Might buy a used/junk 3rd gen hemi for a project.
I am restoring a 73 Winnebago motorhome. I put that cam (6401) 440 engine in and breakin was no problem..Used Driven breakin grease..Hedman stainless headers..I could not be any happier!!
Very cool. Thanks for another fine video. I need to do a cam swap on my 340 small block 72 challenger. I have a lifter that ticks for a minute on startup until it pumps up. Do you think I will have a clearance problem getting the cam in and out? Also, you didnt seem concerned about any metal being in the engine from that cam and lifter wear. Did you find any metal in the oil? And I was thinking about going with a roller cam and lifters. I bought the car built years ago. It supposedly has a eagle stroker crank kit and fancy rods and pistons, (416 cu in) 10.5:1 compression, edelbrock heads. Do you think a roller cam and lifters would be good move or not?
If you can afford to go roller, I would. However I’m going with an Erson flat tappet and some Mopar lifters. The oil was pretty clean, and he wasn’t concerned about the metal. He needed his car back to haul his wife’s ashes for the last time for her service.
I've experienced absolutely ZERO issues using the Summit K6401(Elgin) Cam in driver type 440's... and in my opinion it actual makes very good power/trq punching way above it's weight class. Works fine with HP Manifolds.... but really comes alive with Headers.
@@dirtlump thanks for sharing! My friend Rodney Byrd recommended this cam to me for this build and it’s doing well. He’s got over 200 miles so far with no issues.
@@minnesotatomcat yes sir! I like Gen for everything.You can wrap a greasy part and ship it across the country without oil soaking through the cardboard as well.
@@JustMoparJoe I bought a huge box of them when I got my last pup but she refused to use them for anything but shredding and making a mess 🤣 so I started using them for pig mats and haven’t looked back since 👍
Perhaps I missed it but I do not see how you can put a new cam into an engine with all the particles of metal from the old cam/lifters and expect it to survive. Surely the bearings would be ruined on the crank/rods?
Hey Tom. I’ve seen them both ways, and I believe this one may be safe. If you can catch it early enough, the majority goes in the filter. He mentioned hearing lifter noises and stopped driving the car. The first engine I saw with a lost lone had a single piece of trash make it to a rod bearing. All the others were perfect. The owner is aware that it may roach the bearings and crank, but he will likely go with a stroker kit if that happens.
@@JustMoparJoe My concern, exactly. I have a '79 LRT stroker sitting in my garage that ate a couple of lifters (Summit lifters and 6901 cam) and am wondering how far to tear things down. I suspect most of the frag was grabbed by the filter. Maybe I satisfy myself by dropping the pan before just swapping out the cam/lifters. Thoughts?
Hope it holds up! Put a Summit K6900 kit in a 273 last year, 10,000 miles no issues. Put a K6901 in a 318 a few months ago, did everything the same, that one ate a lifter real fast. Yeah it was turning, nice bowl shape with a hole into the oil cavity. I'm calling it a soft lifter, most of them looked like new, that one looked like a million miles. About 500 miles on a Schneider reground solid lifter cam in it now. Had a NOS set of solid lifters and 273 rockers.
Shouldnt you have rebuilt the entire engine because that cam wiped and put metal into the engine? Seems silly to me to put a nee cam in an engine where the bearing could be trashed.
We knew with the other cam(potentially changed) going bad, that this engine may need a complete overhaul, and it wasn't in his budget to do that at this point. I picked the cheapest non Comp option that many guys have had success with. 1,000-3,000 miles may take him several years to achieve in this car, but we were able to get it back up and going before his wife's memorial service, which was the day after the test drive shown.
Paying attention, inspecting and cleaning everything, proper assembly lube and break in oil, running at 2000RPM for 20 minutes. 95% of cam break in problems averted. Good job, sir.
You got it! Exactly! I’m not perfect by any means, but I do my best to
I was holding my breath for you to have clearance to get that cam out. Great work and video!
Thanks Brother Brad!
The new Cam turned out great, it has the same lobe separation as my 1106 from Summit👍
Thanks brother
I salute your chill attitude and coolness Joe😊💪🏽⚡️
Thanks Paul!
Great update Joe! Love those old RB engines! Nothing like big iron!
Thanks man! Big iron is the best iron.
Good job sounds great, the owner should be pleased, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
Thanks! I appreciate you watching.
What a beautiful car with a sound to match! My fear of modern flat tappets is slightly reduced.
Thanks brother! I’ll go flat tappet in my challenger 440 also
Very good Result! Also an example of why I ..never.. 'upgrade' accessories from O.E.M.
Absolutely! Sometimes the best thing to do is to keep it simple.
Great video! I've done more cam swaps in cars than on engine stands, even in a van! Summit cam and lifters are in the low dollar 318 since 2016 and still going strong!!
@@318willrun thanks, Tim! I was very pleased with this cam break in and quality. May the epidemic is over!
Great install!! That cam sounds awesome. Good job, Joe!!
Thanks buddy!
Very nice upgrade to that 440hp. It will be a fun driver for years to come!
You bet, she’s got a lot of heart!
All places saying no to flat tappet cams and they are on the tube bashing saying all are bad and here you are at least 2 cars done with no problems now. I guess you do not have to sell roller stuff LOL. Nice work once again. I would prefer to slip in a Aluminum W.P . since they are available.
I think it depends on the application, some need a roller for sure, some can get away with flat tappet, and if it’s done correctly, it’s still an option. I’m going with an Erson flat tappet and NOS Mopar lifters in my 70 challenger 440.
Hi Joe. I don't normally comment on other peoples videos as I have a Mopar YT Channel of my own but I will on this one. From my experience and testing, expect this Summit cam and lifters combo to show signs of failure in 1000 to 3000 miles. It's a slower destruction process of the lifter due to weaker valve springs being run on this 1967 engine. From my testing, it's not the oils, it's a metallurgical issue relating to steel chemistry (MIL specs) and improper "heat treatment" of the lifter body. Like you, I do all the visual checks and test ALL the lifter crown specs with a dial indicator and install them dry in the engine assembly and rotate the cam by hand to check for rotation. (shown in my videos) I use weak springs on the break in for more radical cams, vary the RPM (1900-2500), monitor coolant/oil temperature... etc...etc.
I have broken in FT Comp Cam & lifters, FT Summit Cam & lifters and numerous others on my engine test stand and there is not a "ticking" or "clicking" sound coming from the valve train during my 30 minute break in. Everything sounds as it should! Just like yours did! Smooth as silk. Then I have pulled the intake off, removed the rockers and push rods to inspect the lifters. Typically in my cases, 1 to 4 lifters (in random locations through out the engine and in different engines 340's, 360's, 383's, 440's and strokers) indicate that they have stopped rotating and are showing very LIGHT (straight line) lobe wear across the lifter face. This is "metal to metal" wear and indicates the lifter has stopped rotating. It is a slow/delayed self destruction of the lifter and lobe (due to softer lifter metals as I have sent the "cams" out for Rockwell/Vickers hardness testing). Very similar to the lifter(s) you pulled out of that 440 engine before the swap. If it's the oil(s) why don't ALL 16 lifters show the same wear? It's the same ZDDP oil splashing on each lifter during break in and during regular driving!
(you never stated or ID'd in your video whether that cam you removed from that 440 was an aftermarket piece or not?...my guess is it is an aftermarket cam and lifter set as it is not often that someone just changes push rods for an original "stock" '67 HP cam?)
You (and your client) may get lucky and have no issues with this set up...but it's a crap shoot!......I don't and will not use a Comp or Summit Flat Tappet cam or lifters in ANY of my engine assemblies. Too many failures especially from Comp. For "off the shelf" grinds I generally use Howard's and Hughe's FT cams and various makes of FT lifters (listed in Poly 318's video) as I have had no failures yet. The lost time and money to replace them consumes the little profit margin I have quoted the customer for. Just my opinion for what its worth. Good luck with your Mopar builds. Regards, Tim.
P.S. Poly 318 did a YT video on FT lifters that is worth watching. www.youtube.com/@Poly318/videos
@@metalmaxmopar9520 thank you for sharing. This can fit my customer’s needs perfectly for this engine. We know that any flat tappet cam can fail in any environment nowadays. We do our best and leave it up to fate. But we knew with the other cam(potentially changed) going bad, that this engine may need a complete overhaul, and it wasn’t in his budget to do that at this point. I picked the cheapest non Comp option that many guys have had success with. 1,000-3,000 may take him several years to achieve in this car, but we were able to get it back up and going before his wife’s memorial service, which was the day after the test drive shown. I’m going with a new Erson flat tappet and Mopar NOS lifters from the early 2000’s in my challenger’s 440. Wish me luck!
@@JustMoparJoe Understood Joe as we all have budgets to adhere too. Condolences to your client for his loss. If he ever comes to you to rebuild that '915 headed '67 440, I can give you the part numbers to make a true "quench" head engine assembly from those closed chamber '915 castings. The video of the engine that I did this to is the:
"440 6 Pack Quench Head Engine"......... I have on my YT channel.
A real strong runner on pump gas with a lot more HP & TQ potential with a larger cam and a later series 4BBL intake rather than the 55 year old "6 pack" induction system. I was very limited in my cam choice as this customer wanted to run ONLY his cast iron exhaust manifolds!
@ good deal 💪🏻
Great presentation Joe :D Disaster averted on the cam lobe for sure. Appreciate your videos Joe.
Thanks! I appreciate you watching.
That's a nice ride for sure keep the videos coming
Thanks, I appreciate you watching!
Very informative gives me confidence to do the 6901 Summit cam on my small box 318. Thanks for the information Joe and remember RtV when you think it’s too much it’s perfect lol
Thanks brother! It’s easier to apply the first time for sure
That came together nicely sounds great
Thanks Grand
Congrats on the successful break end!!! And as always great work!!!
Thanks man! I was pretty relieved to hear that thing firing right up.
Great video Joe. I like the approach here with parts selection. That Fury probably has really tall gears so it should be really happy out on the highway now.
You are absolutely right, that 440 is happy at highway speeds now! 2.76’s
Hi Joe!!! I love watching your videos and just seeing how you work, and the finished results are always satisfying 😊. I wanna build another engine or two before I put the wrenches down for good one day 😊. Might buy a used/junk 3rd gen hemi for a project.
Thanks for the kind words. That 3rd gen hemi sounds like a good project. Definitely get the rebuild book and enjoy
You will always need something to play with, make you feel alive 😂 sounds a good project, all the best to you all
Another good video Joe. I got a tip about roller chains i'll show you in a few days. I can't show you here i would need to write a small book.
I appreciate the tip, I’m always looking for good knowledge!
Another noce job Joe!
Thanks brother
I am restoring a 73 Winnebago motorhome. I put that cam (6401) 440 engine in and breakin was no problem..Used Driven breakin grease..Hedman stainless headers..I could not be any happier!!
Thanks for sharing your experience with the cam, that’s really encouraging to hear!
Good morning JMJ!
@@johnelliott7375 good morning ☀️
Nice work Joe, sounds great.
Looks all clean and nice.
Like that you painted and dressed it up.
Another happy customer.
Have a good weekend. 👍🇺🇸👍💯
Thanks,Ed! You have a good weekend too!
Nice work! I wish I had half the knowledge of you lol
I appreciate it, but there’s always something new to learn!
I STILL have that nice unbroken, CORRECT '67 FURY 2 spoke chrome horn ring... STILL at $45 plus S+H from Mopar Restos in Summerville, Ga!
Thank you, Frank! I heard him mentioning that he wants a smaller steering wheel than stock. I will pass on the information
I ran this cam for a short time. It's not terrible but I wanted more and got it with a Mopar Purpleshaft 284/484 with duration at .050 being 241.
Thanks brother. Yes that’s a nice one for years
Very cool. Thanks for another fine video. I need to do a cam swap on my 340 small block 72 challenger. I have a lifter that ticks for a minute on startup until it pumps up. Do you think I will have a clearance problem getting the cam in and out? Also, you didnt seem concerned about any metal being in the engine from that cam and lifter wear. Did you find any metal in the oil? And I was thinking about going with a roller cam and lifters. I bought the car built years ago. It supposedly has a eagle stroker crank kit and fancy rods and pistons, (416 cu in) 10.5:1 compression, edelbrock heads. Do you think a roller cam and lifters would be good move or not?
If you can afford to go roller, I would. However I’m going with an Erson flat tappet and some Mopar lifters. The oil was pretty clean, and he wasn’t concerned about the metal. He needed his car back to haul his wife’s ashes for the last time for her service.
Nice job Joe again!! What brand and model Sonic cleaner thank you again! Jb.
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Very nice 😊
Thanks for watching!
I was taught to check lifters you put one against the side of the lifter which is perfectly flat, and then check for the crown
That’s a neat idea. Also using a piece of granite may work well
Good to see the Fury project is back...great job on the swap...and thanks Joe ..🔧🔧👍
Appreciate you, glad to see it back in action too!
C body fun
She moves
That's a cool ride. Sounds good too. Great video, lots of detail and great info.
Thanks Ray!
I've experienced absolutely ZERO issues using the Summit K6401(Elgin) Cam in driver type 440's... and in my opinion it actual makes very good power/trq punching way above it's weight class. Works fine with HP Manifolds.... but really comes alive with Headers.
@@dirtlump thanks for sharing! My friend Rodney Byrd recommended this cam to me for this build and it’s doing well. He’s got over 200 miles so far with no issues.
Nice car, great job Joe 👍
Thanks man!
Good job Joe, keep up the great content.
@@jeffdavis5704 thanks Jeff! This was a fun one to throw in and get back on the road
Howdy Joe! Love your show, sir. Keep up the good work.
@@ciscoguru69 thanks brother
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Thanks brother
Cream Chipped Beef on Toast!!
@@UnfinishedProjectDartSport 🍞
S.O.S
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Thanks brother
Nice job Joe!
I appreciate that!
Is that a puppy pee pad I see on the floor? I use the same thing, they work amazing! 👍
@@minnesotatomcat yes sir! I like Gen for everything.You can wrap a greasy part and ship it across the country without oil soaking through the cardboard as well.
@@JustMoparJoe I bought a huge box of them when I got my last pup but she refused to use them for anything but shredding and making a mess 🤣 so I started using them for pig mats and haven’t looked back since 👍
Those aftermarket water necks always leak at least for me lol
I’ve had to go back and tighten them a few times too! This one sealed right up
Such a sweet car! I miss my old Fury!
I love that car! You should make one of these!
@@JustMoparJoe I've definitely been deliberating on buying one. You'll be one of the 1st to know! 😁
I ran that cam in my old 400. No problems and sounded great!
Thanks for sharing!
Great video Joe like you did by checking lifters and cam before install it should all be good.
Absolutely! Always gotta check!
Joe that sanitizer you friend has can you please send info on it like to purchase one thank you model ECT!
I’m not sure which video that’s from?
was that "Uncle Si" at 5:50? lol
Uncle Nick
What color engine paint is that? I have looked at some Chrysler blue sprays and they look more like Ford blue
I believe this was VHT blue for a Pontiac. It does seem closer to the old Mopar blue before the corporate blue
@@JustMoparJoe thank you! It looks great!
I thought you weren't suppose to use that crank slinger with double row or something hi performance?
@@Robertadkins-h9c I have always used one. They not only sling, but they help reduce the amount of stress on the front seal.
@@JustMoparJoe ok thanks
💪👍🇺🇸
Thanks John!
Perhaps I missed it but I do not see how you can put a new cam into an engine with all the particles of metal from the old cam/lifters and expect it to survive. Surely the bearings would be ruined on the crank/rods?
Hey Tom. I’ve seen them both ways, and I believe this one may be safe. If you can catch it early enough, the majority goes in the filter. He mentioned hearing lifter noises and stopped driving the car. The first engine I saw with a lost lone had a single piece of trash make it to a rod bearing. All the others were perfect. The owner is aware that it may roach the bearings and crank, but he will likely go with a stroker kit if that happens.
@@JustMoparJoe My concern, exactly. I have a '79 LRT stroker sitting in my garage that ate a couple of lifters (Summit lifters and 6901 cam) and am wondering how far to tear things down. I suspect most of the frag was grabbed by the filter. Maybe I satisfy myself by dropping the pan before just swapping out the cam/lifters. Thoughts?
@ it never hurts to check for sure. If you have the means, I would definitely go for it.
Hope it holds up! Put a Summit K6900 kit in a 273 last year, 10,000 miles no issues. Put a K6901 in a 318 a few months ago, did everything the same, that one ate a lifter real fast. Yeah it was turning, nice bowl shape with a hole into the oil cavity. I'm calling it a soft lifter, most of them looked like new, that one looked like a million miles.
About 500 miles on a Schneider reground solid lifter cam in it now. Had a NOS set of solid lifters and 273 rockers.
Oh man that sucks! Sounds like you’ve got a good setup in there now.
@JustMoparJoe Almost 500 miles on the Schneider now.
Got himself a nice Hot Rod now. 🦶🏾
A Real Street car!
Feel like I’m watching Bob Ross with the happy little installer tools.
Thanks Larry!
Shouldnt you have rebuilt the entire engine because that cam wiped and put metal into the engine? Seems silly to me to put a nee cam in an engine where the bearing could be trashed.
We knew with the other cam(potentially changed) going bad, that this engine may need a complete overhaul, and it wasn't in his budget to do that at this point. I picked the cheapest non Comp option that many guys have had success with. 1,000-3,000 miles may take him several years to achieve in this car, but we were able to get it back up and going before his wife's memorial service, which was the day after the test drive shown.
Stickers are 50 hp
Every time
Seeing is believing! I honestly didn't think that cam was going clear.
Thanks brother. I was sweating a little
Mopar ace joe
Haha!
Joe stop trolling us install twin turbos n fitech an destroyed tires until bankruptcy.
Haha! Bigger and better
8000lb car lol 🤣
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