Driving a Peugeot 205 GTI For the First Time
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You shouldn't really change down to 1st ideally unless you are stopped. Once the car is moving, 2nd is all you need. You also haven't really experienced a French hot hatch unless you have experienced lift off oversteer. My Clio 172 felt like a crapheap just driving around town, but once you opened it up it really came to life.
french hot hatches need to be driven hard eheh
"You shouldn't really change down to 1st ideally unless you are stopped. Once the car is moving, 2nd is all you need "in most situations this is true! however, at least in my car getting into a tight pull through space in 2nd can be tricky depending as your going slow enough you can engage first fine an avoid almost stalling you gotta feel it.
@@lurk7967 In a 205 this isn't an issue. The gearing is so short that you really can use 2nd as soon as the car moves for any situation.
@@woooozaaa6528 I was about to say that, but you beat me to it.
My car doesn't like second below 1500 rpm
I love you Mr R but don't try and over think this too much . It's one of the best 80s hot hatches ever made so just relax , nail it on some back roads and soak up the experience .
The Peugeot 205 GTI was the second best hot hatch of the 80's....right after the Peugeot 309 GTI, why do people always forget about that car?
Not a hatchback. Not as cute, either.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge Yeah 309 had even better handling despite the fact that underneath they are pretty much the same car.
+Andrzej Sawicki
Actually it is a hatchback, the entire back opens up. It's also classified a 3 or 5-door hatchback in all pieces of literature I've seen.
Glam Stachee I had a 309GTI, great car and better for insurance than the 205. Which was significant back in the day ... I really wanted a 205 tho ...
Two men in cargo pants...
...sticking things into their pockets...
...And recording themselves doing it...
*B R O W N* cargo pants
Cargo SHORTS......
*d a d m o d e*
No clue how to drive it. Had one 25 years ago and they are awesome on UK backroads. You have to drive it hard and change gear quick as they don’t have a lot of torque. Mine was modded to 170bhp 143 of torque standard 1.9 was 130bhp and 113 torque and the 1.6 was 105bhp. Mine slaughtered Audi Quattros and Porsche 911s of the time on B roads in UK.
Finally using the correct units of measurement. Thank you.
From a certain point of view.
Yes, the correct one.
@@kitten-inside why is that?
The metric system makes talking about anything involving math way easier. It is no accident that most people (literally over 90% of Earth's population, and all serious scientists) use it.
@@kitten-inside OK but imperial is easier to describe speed.
This car is designed for twisty back roads with its high gearing and responsive throttle. It handles like maradonna
Car starts moving...
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get uBlock origin AND get Enhancer for TH-cam (on Firefox at least) haven't watched an ad in a year. For real.
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I own a "normal" 205 with the 1.1l engine with 60bhp. though it lacks a bit of the snappiness of the engine and stiffness of the suspension, it still is one of the most enjoyable cars i've driven so far. And considering what little they cost to buy and maintain, I would call it the best 400€ i've ever spent
Same, I own a "normal" 309 with a 1.4 liter engine, one of the last made with a carburetor instead of fuel injection. The car's been wrecked like 20 years ago but only had 88 000 km on it when I bought it for 550€, might have paid a bit too much? First time I had to learn to do bodywork on a car, guy who repaired the crash damage did a lousy job.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge My first proper car was 309. Loved and hated that thing. The auto choke carburetor never worked as it should and rear suspension once it gets tired is just pain in the ass. Also if you need to replace head gasket you need to drop the engine :D
205 buddies! I drive a 1.4 Generation from 1997. It has the snappiest engine of any car I've ever driven. Love that little thing. Easy to fiddle around with and cheap to maintain.
@Jonas Gunz I bought my blue 205 1.4 Winner with bucket seats and the sport suspension for 450€. Two weeks later the head gasket broke and I was broke, too. But I'm soo happy, that I let it sit until I had the money and saved the car! I don't daily her anymore and I will start the restauration soon :)
@@Rentta What engine did you have? On the TU-engines the headgasket can be done in 3 hours.
Driving so many different cars constantly, I wonder when will you get the hang of it :P
Watching him change lanes mid intersection freaks me the fuck out every single time. STOP IT PLEASE.
@no no He drives like a 12 year old boy who's doing it for the first time, and is already acting like a race car driver. Basically aiming way above realistic ability and skill.
I knew a gear grind was coming eventually 😂
If you can't get it into 1st gear, don't force it! Put it in neutral, release the clutch, hit the clutch again and then 1st goes in smoothly. Also it helps, when you shift down into 2nd while stopping and then put it in neutral. The shifter should go precisely and without any force. I guess this car is driven too rarely. My 205 has similar issues after the winter when I don't drive it ;)
Video should be titled ‘11 minutes of me struggling to drive a manual hot hatch and not really having much nice to say about it’ lol
1. peugeot 205 totally different from the Golf.
2. You should wait with pushing so hard until the oil gets warm enough.
55kph should be in fourth. Can even be done in fifth. You were way too high, it drives very fine
But but then you cant punch it...
These hatches are boring in the low revs. If you need to save on gas, of course you can do that, but its not always feeling right. At least thats the case with my 106 rallye
Man 205 GTI is very rare in USA but in Europe it's a classic ! great you drove one
I miss my AX GTI. Now I would love to have one of these snappy 205 GTIs.
''It looks very Volkswagen'' Isn't just an offense to Peugeot fanboys but all the retro european car fans around
They did a 1.9 version, too
Back in the day my parents had a pepper gray 205 1.9GTi, blue 405 1.9GRi estate and a silver 405 1.9SRi sedan. The 205 was fun. Spartan, easy to drive and just stay on the gas in corners.
i'd kill for a Citroen BX 1.9 16valve.
@@Boemel My 90 year old neighbor had a pristine BX Millésime which I (and my brother-in-law lol) admired from the window every night. A few months ago he wanted to sell it to a "good friend" as he can't drive anymore, the guy took off with the car and didn't even pay. That was the last BX I've seen since then, the second last being effectively a pristine GTI 16-valves driven by another VERY elderly man, about 3 years ago. I'm in France, 10 years ago it was like 1 in 5 people had a BX, and now they're nowhere to be found
@@Boemel I had one of those. Scrapped it to use the engine in my 205 gti :p the bx was way gone thou. Rust exactly everywhere
What a cool little car, the snappiness reminds me of my 1st gen Yaris TS, short gearing, low weight and a 1.5L 4cyl engine - a road legal gokart.
Thanks for the vid
Saar Namir I have a Corolla TS 190bhp,it surprises so many cars trying to race me
This lil car looks so much fun!
And holy crap working there has to be the coolest job on the planet!!
I owned one of these during the late 1980s and can confirm that the steering was incredibly heavy and the gearbox notchy. However, that brilliant 1.6 engine could see off most other cars with ease and the owner's manual allowed running-in for the first 750 miles at engine speeds up to 5,000 rpm, which was 95 mph in top gear.
My real car is my toy car!
Today Mr Regular drives in Nashville's glamorous Murfreesboro road hotel district. Emphasis on the "ho" part.
At least that little cafe next to the Ethiopian coffee shop is a good spot for lunch.
Just don't be rude or the owner will fuck you up.
I've worked in that area since the late 80's. Man, the stories I can't repeat here...
I have '85 305, which is weird model, it's between 70's and 80's in its features. Electric almost everything but the overall feel of it is strongly 70's.
Very Peugeot like I guess lol. I daily a 605 and everything feels so 80s inside, but with late 90s technology it's very weird but damn I love it
I had a 305 automatic some years ago. Still one of the most comfortable riding cars ever made with pin sharp power steering. On winter tyres it was unstoppable in bad weather. I wish I could find another.
@@VDPEFi Mine is now a summer car, until I restore it fully.
I have a '91 309, basically a 205 in sedan form. I was amazed at how simple the car is. It's a 1991 car but has no electrics, no ECU, no fuel injection and not even a catalytic converter. Everything is manual and hand operated, even has a manual choke, how rare was that in the early 90's!? Yet with all that simplicity it's a dream to drive. I've never seen more comfortable seats in any car, and the non-power steering is so light and precise you wouldn't even know it's not power unless you were told.
Only real problem is that the cabin blower doesn't work when it's warm for some reason, and the syncronizer on 1st gear is broken.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge I own a '92 309 1.4 with injection. A huge computer above the glove box for the one injector.
I heard the carb version drives much smoother and les nerveus.
Synchros on 1 and 3 are a bit worn. Difficult to get smoothly in gear when its cold without rev matching.
I find it adorable how scared and panicked Mr. Regular is when driving a car that's not his, especially one that's unfamiliar. To be honest, I'm the same way.
Someone doesn't drive small manual cars often :D I have 3 french hatchbacks at home, 2 mk1 renault meganes and one renault modus. They all drive pretty much like that gti gearbox and throttle response wise. You pretty much have to only start in 1st immidiately shift into 2nd and generally shift at around 2.5k rpm
On sharp turns and city driving you pretty much avoid 1st as much as possible since 1st gear often isn't synchronised or it uses much straighter gears than all other gears, also super low gearing makes it snappy. Pretty much don't engine brake in 1st as it will torture the engine mounts.
At around 60km/h you usually can shift into 5th gear already and keep it there, sure it revs quite high at high speed 100km/h in all the cars we have is at around 3k rpm in all cars, highway speed that is 140km/h is around 4-4.5k rpm.
Thos sorts of transmissions make manuals really easy to use daily, pretty much you row 1-2-3-4 stay in 4th for most of city driving and then throw into 5th for anything over 55-60km/h.
Also generally you want to avoid sudden punching and letting off so you won't wear off the engine mounts too quickly.
I'm reading a lot of you people drive at really low RPMs? Maybe it's because of different cars but I never shift into 5th at 60, I do it at 80 kmh. And city driving in 4th? I want to live in that city, here you're lucky if you get to shift into 3rd. My rule of thumb is 2nd at 20, 3rd at 40, 4th at 60 and 5th at 80.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge my city is around 100k population and roads are fairly open so you tend to reach the 50-60km/h fairly often. I switch to 4th at around 2.6-2.8k rpm which means around 50km/h.
Driving with broken exhaust (hole right after the header) tought me how to engine brake and shift at lowest possible, yet dynamic enough rpms and I drove a 75hp car which weights around 1000kg and has like 112NM of torque at 3k rpm
+Rentta
Yeah my 309 is similar, 75 hp and around 1000 kg, but I drive it by feel since it doesn't have a rev meter, but it's still no more than 2.3-2.7 RPM, and I shift when it just starts making noise.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge It surely depends on the car. As it looks to me most european manuals at least are set up to have the ideal rpm for 50kmh at 4th gear, for 30kmh however it's 3rd gear and second gear is basically only for turning or very low speeds.
Nice to see Mr RCR likes it. I learnt to drive in an 205 with the 930cc suitcase engine and can't remember anything remotely unusual about the driving position. The English say Purjoe, a lot of Scots say Pewjoe.
Its pooh-zho.
“It’s very very snappy on the BUH-BAM!!” 😂
A Peugeot made before they fired the chef of suspension
And before electrical fires.
They probably fired the chef of gearboxes and clutches, too. I wanted a 308 as a daily but it bored the hell out of me on the test drive. So I got a Renault Laguna GT. The 205 stays in the garage mostly :)
Today I learned chefs could design suspensions. I suppose elastomers are somewhat similar to souffles, aren't they?
One of the greatest cars of all time, shame you're too big for it. Mine fitted like a glove. Hated seeing you banging it over speed bumps. Bang! as you destroy the bushes, Bang! Those certainly weren't the roads to appreciate the magic of the 205 GTI. What was that daft comment about the steering wheel angle before you set off?
Peugeot being Peugeot. Love it! I own a bone stock 106 Rallye and its incredibly similar from what i can grasp from the video. Id love to drive a 205 to see for my shelf though
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I used to have a 1.6 GTI. Didn't have the electric windows. YOU SELL OUT!!!!!
Sometimes you are better of just putting the car into 2nd gear if you are still rolling instead of trying to force it into 1st, especially if it's geared that low. Old Euro car really don't like the 1st gear unless you are stopped completely.
Good tip alot of French cars locks out first gear above 10 KMH~ some higher depending on gearing
As someone who lives in Nashville, I can definitely agree with what he said about the trains. The average from what I've noticed is 15 minutes per train. It has taken much longer before though.
The 205GTi is on my small list of French Cars I intend to import along with the Citroen CX Pallas. Along with a container of spare parts.
At 11:21 I saw an 83 celica in the background and I SWEAR IF YOU DONT REVIEW IT I WILL BE very upset with you.
You can lower the seats by removing a series if ‘plastic washers’ which are approx 1cm tall at the front and a little more than that at the rear (I believe) from the runner mechanism. I think this was done often for tall drivers. I am 6ft 1” and have no issues. I certainly don’t need to adjust my seat like you do.
First gear is just for start. If the car is moving, stay in second gear. And don't stay on first gear !I have a 205 GTI when i was young, it's very easy car to drive.
He starts driving the car and I'm staring at the ass end of a Ford Ecosport
Damn ads
Dad mode is hilarious. Followed by dads sharing cargo pockets, how sweet.
Just a simple advice from a French Swiss, please don't say piugote, just say Peugeot (peujo).
Thank you 😊
You’ve not got your seating position correct. In the 205 like a lot of other euro cars of the period you need to pull the seat slightly further forward then normal, with your legs splayed slightly for the steering wheel. Then recline your seat more then you would normally. Then you will find it’s much more comfortable.
Bought my first manual a year ago - 2001 Accent. It's a bit sketchy entering a parking lot in second gear - it's stressful, but you almost have to be stopped to put it in first (grinds very loud) If you double clutch you have to memorize the exact rev point and you have to guess the speed of the car because the speedo doesn't register below 15 km/h. I drove a newer mazda 2 recently with a mint first gear synchro but you still can only go into first smoothly at almost a stop. Seems to be an archilles heal of synchro gearboxes. Pain in the ass at speeds to low for second without starting to lug
That's the experience really. Except for the smoothness, i find the 106 really identical. Mine is a 1.0 so it doesn't go that fast but i experience nearly everything he said.
American roads could not be more different than our British. Very interesting video to watch from this perspective.
Maybe I missed it? Did you say what engine it had? 1.6 or 1.9? Thanks
It’s funny that they have the same weird first gear thing that Toyota has. I have 1990 2wd Toyota pickup and 93 Celica GT with a 3sgte swap, and you have to be going less than 8 mph to get into first and even then you’re applying a decent amount of force. Also, very very snappy in first, especially my pickup. A lot of clutch work to get it to drive through a Parking lot slowly.
These are really nice cars, especially the 1.9 GTi.
YES!!!! "All the way past 5 and the gears just drop in."
Exactly so.
I used to courier drive in a 106.. suffered terrible backache and I'm only 5'9"
@RegularCars
The USA missed out so badly not receiving this car! I remember being at the Philly Car show back in the mid 80s and bugging the official French Mfr Rep for Peugeot, I was a teenager back then and the guy completely lost his temper with me actually yelling at me when I persisted at getting a yes or at least some answer as to why they wouldn't bring it here!
My brother had black 205 GTi too. It was nice car, i was like 10 years old back then.
The starting place is the Lane Motor Museum, a great museum with lots of classic European collections. Visited there a month ago and I recommend anyone interested in cars to have a visit.
“Don’t worry, I know the H pattern.” Bua hahaha!
8:04 happens
Its called a shitty transmission.
@@SpaceMissile french car quirks.
it usually happens in reverse
but he managed to make that in 1st.
@@anthonyioane4438 It's called not rev matching
@@lutherblissett9070 Stop being an apologist for the vehicle.
“It’s gearing is like a VW GTI and a Honda.......”
Okay, that literally means nothing.
It’s like watching someone on their first driving lesson, but with more annoying comments thrown in, like “it’s a rotary without being a rotary”.
are GTI All petrol or there is a Diesel Version of GTI .??
the coolest looking hot hatch there is
Nah, the 309 GTI is.
ive got a 309 and a lot of things u said about the 205 holds- low gearing, snappy 1st gear, seating position. only mine’s a diesel and terribly slow
Try a 205 1.9 GTI. It's one of the best hatchback of the 80'.
Sounds like it drives a lot like my 206 GTI did. Seating was somewhere in the roof, way too high for me at my towering 5'9" to see properly out the back window, shifter was somewhere in the climate controls. Loved to be revved and driven hard, died just above a thousand RPM when moving, typically you wanted to be somewhere around 3000 when just cruising, then punch it up to 5000 to shift.
I love the 205 and the 405, now I own a 307. but I wish I had my 405 mi16
I think I need to drive this car at some point. This would be so much fun on CA Route 9.
kinda seems like he really enjoyed this car. his whole demeanor around 3:46 is way different than with other cars.
That car looks SO fun
imo the "frenchiness" of this hatch adds to the charm of it
would have been great if they let you drive this on a track or proper backroad
5:32 That's bump steer, not torque steer. Most likely it's in need of an alignment, as that isn't usually a problem for the 205.
this is non-power steering we're talking about.
the 106 i drive is also non-power steering and every bump steers the car really.
It's just how light they are, they follow the shape of the road or get thrown about fairly easily.
Here after your rustbelt gothic vdya. Stayed for the sweet voice
Goes just the same as mine went proper little French hatch it’s only competitor was the golf gti in my opinion the 205 was better what made this was it’s punchy 1.6 engine or 1.9 and it’s super lightweight frame giving this hot hatch good pull away speed and the ability to hoot it around windy roads always staying planted to the roads and leaving you a huge smile on your face
I think Mr R was too anxious with all the damn traffic and terrible roads couple with it being a museum car. Couldn't even enjoy the damn car.
Lovely perky engine note, looks like it would be a hoot around the city or tight country roads.
I'd been considering getting a Peugeot 205 at one point because my stepfather had one when I was a kid, and then I saw the seating position for the driver in this. At six foot two, I don't think it would make for a comfortable driving experience.
Just remove reclining mechanism and you golden
There is one secret how to make shorter shift, in engine bay there is a shifter linkage L piece which you have to cut right ammount off and weld it back
Now you have short shifter😁
people talking about not being able to drive stick in the comments but somehow this video contains 10 minutes of a manual car being driven huh
DrRyan82994 considering he took 4 minutes of filming to get going, it wasn’t 10 minutes
it's people who have never driven one... i've owned one for 3 years and it is not an easy car to drive, especially in towns and traffic..
Regular Car Guy seems like the kind of guy kind to look inside your medicine cabinet.
What do these pills do?..WHAT DO THESE PILLS DO?!?
Thanks for the POV driving. Btw this is the weirdest pronunciation of Peugeot I've ever heard.
Poo Joe
I pronounce it "Pyougeeott" because I like to egregiously mispronounce words that aren't spelled phonetically. I also pronounce Thibodeaux as "Thybowdeeox" -- people in New Orleans _love_ me, I tell you what.
I have a pristine 91 Mazda b2200 manual with 250,000 miles on it daily driver. I live in Johnson City Tennessee if you're interested to make a video on it.
Is it 1.6 or 1.9 if its 1.9 its feels lazy because of stroke (its same as 1.6 only difference is stroke)
where can i get this car
Dashboard is weird where does it comes from ?
seating position is fine if youre smaller than 6 ft
So glad the POV videos are back
Did they go somewhere?
Didn't recall ever losing them
Only put it in first when your stopped with this car. And get out of first asap as soon as your rolling
I still miss my old 205 1.9 gti:s
Owned 2 of those 130hp 1.9 gti:s (i never wanted to have that 1.6 gti)
So fun cars to drive, corner coming, drop it 2 gears lover and punch it!
7.8 sec 0-62mph
Don't invite Mr. Regular in your classic cars, he'll sneeze in 'em
is this a 1.6 or 1.9? I'm guessing the former?
Bless you!
It looks like a nice little car. But does it have AC? Driving in the USA without AC is asking for death by heatstroke.
I defy anyone to find a less suitable road to test drive this car on...
THIS car on The Tail of the Dragon🐉🐉
I have a feeling this would do greatly on the Tail of the Dragon, I want to go there one day
@@throwout1483 been going every year since 2003, it's incredible, as are the surrounding roads like Moonshiner and Cherahola Skyway 🕶
@Klasse Act That’s when I was born haha
Very neat
Thank you Mr Regular very Cool
hating the ads! love the vid!
Was it a 1.6 or 1.9? Regardless, if they are hard to drive smooth, it´s not character, it´s a problem. Of course they are very responsive but if they are ok they are super easy to drive. The 205 engines is standard engines in millions of larger models. Anyway, the 205 GTI is the best hot hatch ever.
A 1,6
He was constantly revving it to about 4000-5000 rpm. No wonder it wasn't smooth.
@@faraga1 and the car gets rarely driven aaand its an old car.
Seems like a fun little in town car
Who downshifts into first.?
Atlanta considers the metal plates a permanent fix
About the sitting position, for someone who drove it: It is that weird or is simply because Mr. Regular is too tall for it ? I don't think a guy like me with my 1,7 m or 5'7" of height would be that uncomfortable driving it.
I have a 205 xsi ( I'm 1.83 m ) and for me it's ok.
Throttle on and off feeling is due to the fuel injection system
the 205 gti can reach 190-210 Km per hour easely even the 1,4l has no problem to reach 180 a light and qick car.
Bless you