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- It's free real estate! Utility lands can provide players with free value, but how many is too many? We've collected the data for the most popular utility lands in the game, and checked some decks to see how many players tend to use, to find out when and why those numbers go too far.
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"Oh, High Market!"
I'll never see that card the same way again.
This is one of the good things about Friday, dad jokes and Magic content.
Amen to that, my friend
33:48 To explain Paliano, maybe: People often put drafted decks onto deckbuilding sites (to possibly rebuild them later to face the same players who have drafted from the same set, or just to remember their old drafts and mistakes/genius decisions made), and Commander Cube has become a thing, especially since Commander Legends and the Game Knights ep where that dude brought his in. So maybe those 29 decks are from cube experiences where Paliano was a fun, draft-based card in said cube, and the players stuck their decks on site for future reference. Also the "primarily Ramos/Golos" thing would support the cube idea, as these are great 5c commanders to include in a cube due to being colorless, meaning they are easier to cast than a WUBRG-cost commander.
Just thought its funny that "that dude" is one of the mosz successfull authors in the world
Can't wait to play some commander with you!
Yedora would also be pretty sweet in Obuun: Animate a trampling land with Obuun to swing in and if blocked and killed, as it is a non-token creature, Yedora will bring it back as a face-down Forest which will trigger the landfall on Obuun, plus you recover the mana lost by attacking with the land for the second main phase. As the face-down land is also a non-token the rigmarole can be repeated.
I was also thinking Yedora would work with Kadena, but I think I need to read up on some rules and interactions between the two of them before I consider a slot for it.
@@brianshanahan5274 You can indeed turn these face-down forests face-up of they have Morph (you just cannot 'unmanifest' a non-Morph creature this way as it is not a manifested card)...if that is what you were wondering!
@@brianshanahan5274 Yedora is a bomb in Morph decks. For sure run it in Kadena.
@@andrewsparkes6115 Ixidor Reality Shaper will work even w/o morph. It can Flip face-down creatures. I THINK. I'm not 100% sure on the interaction there. The face down side is a creature but the face up side would be a land. Does anyone here know whether or not that would work?
Barring that you could run Trade Routes and just bounce em back to your hand and then recast them as creatures.
Or sac the "lands" and then reanimate them from the grave I suppose.
@@zackkelley2940 Yedora making it a forest is linked to her bringing them back: only face-down creatures SHE RETURNS are Forests. She does not say “Facedown permanents you control are forests” or anything. Simply that she returns dying creatures facedown and THOSE SPECIFIC CREATURES are forests. So any cards you put facedown via morph/manifest/turn facedown via Ixidor will not be forests.
Someone needs to make a montage of all of Matt's intros
Yes that would be great
And then followed up by the same laugh from Joey every single time
Edhrecast posts a video.
In response, Imma watch it.
With that on the stack I like the video.
I don’t think you can watch a video on the stack. Pretty sure the upload needs to resolve first.
I like utility lands that let me repeatedly draw cards. It means I don't often have to worry about finding that card draw spell or I can use it when I need it.
They are so inefficient though
@@koelkast9 that's true, but I use them as a back up.
Agreed. I run a fair amount of draw spells but every few games you end up top decking and that arch of orasca's inefficiency no longer matters. It feels great.
@@smelltank yup
@@koelkast9 Having them as backup mana sinks while still including your normal amount of ways to draw cards makes them decent over inefficient.
Before they revealed the top card by percentage, I was totally gunning for the bog get referenced as a joke. And then it appears and I'm all "oh heck, they're not joking". Damm that's rough, Joey.
One of my favorite utility lands for red decks is Kher Keep. Making cheap chump blockers for 3 mana is a blast! Even better? Making a kobold at someone's end step, then attacking next turn with Kessig Wolf Run to kill someone!
My challenge the stats is firewild boarderpost in Borborgymos Enraged decks (and all other decks if Im honest).
I considered this for my Borborgymos deck since EDHREC said players use it but I took the time to think it through before ordering it.
Scenario 1 is I pay 3 mana for an artifact that enters tapped and can add 1 of 2 coulors next turn (any number of other cards do this and add one of anything)
Scenario 2 is I pay 1 mana, return a basic to hand and firewild enters tapped (This didnt ramp me!). As a Borborgymos player I do benifit from having the basic land in my hand after this exchange which is nice... But I could have been using a guild gate in this slot instead and been more satisfied discarding that than the usless basic land I returned to hand, or a basic land could have been used in this slot.
To add insult to injury my Borborgymos combat damage trigger is going to discard the wildfire where I would have kept the guildgate or basic that could be in this slot.
If this doesnt support a land strategy like Borborgymos I dont think it can be justified in other land decks either but Id love to hear if someone has a corner case where this can be a bomb.
So I’m really surprised no one mentioned Cavern Of Souls! It’s to good not just in tribal decks making sure your commander resolves is sometimes important it also fixes your commanders colours
It’s not really a utility land though. It taps for any mana and is just a good card with no downsides.
@@Garl_Vinland it definitely has downsides, being essentially a coloreless land if your commander isn't a common creature type - if you're in more than 2 colors that's a very real factor
I tend to run around 3 colorless utility lands in 2-3 colored decks.
52:10 I ran like 3 waste in a colorless deck before, but that was only because I had Wayfarer's Bauble in it.
Now that just sounds like a great idea
Currently running 9 Wastes in mine, but trying to find the right number. I run Wayfarer's Bauble, Solemn Simulacrum, Thaumatic Compass, Burnished Hart, and Sword of the Animist. I don't have enough reps in with the deck to know if I'm running too many or too few.
Field of the dead is powerful af. Picked up 4 for a dollar when it came out, power was there but people were slow to see it.
I won a Field of the Dead from the prize packs I won from my very first draft at a convention a few years ago. Man, memories~
I got a Challenge the Stats for you: Journey of Discovery for Tatyova/Aesi decks!
The card is incredible, allowing you to add two basic lands to your hand, OR playing two additional lands this turn for only 3 mana.
And if you pay double the mana cost to do both! I really can believe this card is only in 2318 decks.
Field of the dead goes in almost all my decks and I always even split my basics between snow and non snow just to make sure I trigger. Fits my Golgari Aristicrats, Selesnya tokens, Dimir Zombies, and even in my reaper King deck with Maskedwood Nexus it’s another Scarecrow trigger
I run 24 utility lands and 20 forests because I am a physcopath.
44 lands? But why?
@@diggerdog9205 My Commander is Azusa, so I constantly shit out lands for mana advantage then drop Eldrazi Titans way earlier than anyone should.
Turn 3 Tooth and Nail is NASTY
The first deck I put actual effort into was a kicks-n-giggles Hope of Ghirapur deck, so I had a great introduction to utility lands.
If you run a bunch of utility lands that produce colorless mana in a dual/tripple color deck: One way to lessen the effects of having colorless lands is to include filterlands and signets. Obviously really useful if you run a ton of multicolored cards that require two different coloers. With a rakdos signet out you can still cast two 2-mana red-black spells turn 4, even if you played a high-market or whatever.
Signets and Filter lands just aren't very good, if you/your deck tend to want to leave one mana open for Swan Song or other one-mana-instant interaction. So you need to keep that in mind. But if your deck is full with terminates and other two mana-removal instants that don't require two of the same color, you're golden.
I tend to favor emergence zone and winding canyons. I tend to play more creature based decks so having a way in the land base to let me flash them in, especially in my Aminatou etb deck, is just amazing. As well as endless sands to allow me to save my creatures, or re use etb effects in a pinch
This is great timing, I’ve been finally making myself learn about utility lands for my Osgir deck, where I’m currently running 11. I’m also running a forsaken monument in there, so anything that can generate colorless mana is extra good. I grabbed a filter land, a pain land and a spire of invention as some fixers, and they can all make a wingding for the monument to increase. I usually only run 1 or 2 utility lands, and my Rienne, Angel of Rebirth deck has 0 because it needs so many pips to play all those multicolored creatures. I should probably add a Kessig Wolf Run, though.
I still like Emergence Zone as my #1 utility land. Yes, it costs 1 to activate and yes, you have to sac it, which turns a lot of people off, but it’s a Vedalken Orrery effect on a land THAT CANNOT BE REMOVED once activated. You crack it during an upkeep, even an opponent’s, and that entire turn you are playing at instant speed, including the end of turn when people have long forgotten about it. People routinely forget that it’s in play too, so you can always activate it to play a permanent when you normally wouldn’t. Have some awesome sorceries?Now they are instants.
I really only run utility lands in one or two color decks, and it depends one the mana curve of the deck. My Yuriko the tiger's shadow deck runs so many one mana spells that I really don't like seeing colorless lands in my opening hand.
"Oh hai, Market"
I died
The discussion on blood moon gives me an idea for a custom MTG card:
1R(?, could be 2R, but I'm not sure, since it is somewhat more limited than Blood moon)
Enchantment
Lands lose all Static and triggered abilities. Activated abilities of lands cannot be activated, unless they are mana abilities. Non-basic lands gain "T: add R".
Not sure if this is 100% the way I'd want to go about this, but essentially it would be a blood moon for utility lands. Wouldn't shut off stuff like Cabal Coffers, and it's not 100% the "blood moon for utility lands" because it can't differentiate between utility lands and color fixing lands for its "T: add R" ability, but it's as close as you could get without the cludgy awkward alternative solution of trying to do something like "Non-basic lands that have Static abilities, or which have activated abilities that are not mana abilities gain [...]". Alternatively, instead of the "Activated abilities of lands cannot be activated" part, you could do something like "Players can't pay costs to activate abilities of lands" which would shut down Cabal Coffers, et al, but would shut down fetch lands and filter lands (which honestly, I'm okay shutting down fetch lands, but I have a perhaps unwarranted affection for filter lands, so it wouldn't be my go to solution for this version)
I play 4-5 Utility, and they're usually all the same
Bojuka Bog
Scavenger Grounds
War Room/Reliquary Tower
Ghost Quarter/Field of Ruin
Covers all my bases and doesn't clog up my mana base
Joey and I did the points at head gesture at the same time.
I play ur dragon. I use mostly tri lands. I do play reliquary tower and never had an issue. In fact reliquary tower saved me a few times. My deck is very tuned so I need almost every card I draw. To each his own.
I'm with Dana, I always try to find space for utility lands, and, if possible, a legendary utility land (Kor Haven, Yavimaya Hollow, Teferi's Isle). Also, lands that blow up lands are always useful
I've started looking at Temple of the False Gods as more of a second, conditional Sol Ring than a land. It "costs" a mana but taking up the land drop and ramps you a mana.
18:55 "I love me an Oh, hi(gh) Mark-et"
Okay, first of all how dare you,
You could conceivably run Paliano in a Kethis deck as legendary graveyard fodder for his ability.
My nonbasics tend to enhance or replace the deckbuilding foundation of commander.
Ramp(gaea's cradle, myriad landscape)
card draw(bonder's enclave, war room, castle lochtwain)
spot removal(mouth of ronom, wasteland)
It turns out I've cut out all the fun utility lands I enjoyed in favor of desperately trying to get fundamentals in my deck without using real cards. My basics counts are pretty solid as well, but my playgroups often run land punisher effects.
You could run Paliano in a Zedruu deck that runs stuff like land exchange to basically kill a land drop from an opponent
I'm putting Yedora in my Kadena morph deck, because why not!
Yedora plus a living twister or a mina and denn is psuedo grave return. It pleases my meren anyways.
Great topic. Are there what edhrec would call utility land staples?
Yep. edhrec.com/top/utility-lands
Dana it's clearly Maze ofs Ith
Damn, there’s not enough love for Westvale Abbey. Completely insane in aristocrat decks
UTILITY LANDS. This episode was made for me. Most people i play with dont get why i run 1 basic land of each type and thats it haha.
Paliano is a legendary land so they're might be synergy there
"How many Utility Lands should you play in Commander?"
"Yes."
Spoiler: All of my decks fold to Blood Moon effects and I'm okay with that. (Who needs more than 1 Basic, amirite?)
Paliano the high City can be useful in legends matters deck
Jokes on you, my Paliano is in my silly commander deck!
Great in a 4 or 5 color deck. Everyone has to chose a different color so you'll end up with a untapped biome or triome.
I need to build more Price of Progress decks.
Also Cabal Coffers does not tap for mana. Cabal coffers does. So you dont even net any mana until cabal coffers and 4 swamps are on the table.
I don't really run utility lands because I run very aggressive mana curves and very lean mana bases to match. I can't afford to have colorless lands floating around because when your goal is to cast 2+ spells a turn from turn four onward being able to satisfy your pip requirements is actually a thing.
I run reliquary tower in all my decks haha. All but my reanimater deck
With Signets being largely ubiquitous in non-Green decks, Reliquary Tower being able to tap for a colorless is very potent. Almost never am I tapping RT for just a land, it is frequently powering up a Signet.
would Yedora work with morph creatures in that can i morph them again after they get turned facedown by it?
The more I see these videos, the more I think Matt plays exactly like me
Radha, Akiri, Tazri, Reyhan, Lathiel 👌
I assume a Rule Zero exemption for the Paliano Land.
Do y’all count the MDFC lands as utility lands or no
Joey's handle should be shameless plug
I totally run that Reliquary Tower comfort blanket in all my EDH decks.
I wished I would have watched this before last night's game. I died to a 45/45 creature because I went to chump block him and he used kessig wolf land to pump his creature. Oof. Lesson learned.
If you guys do a cast about "the power of basics(lands)", so Dana will be quiet for the entire 40minutes +? xD
Undiscovered Paradise is gold in a landfall deck
Meanwhile me:
5 colour decks = 2 utility lands
4 colour decks = 3 utility lands
3 colour decks = 4-5 utility lands
2 colour decks = 5-7 utility lands
1 colour decks = ALL OF THEM!
Just ordered full text basic lands before watching this lol
Paliano has a different name than other decks...? No idea 🤷🏻♂️
One things for sure, who ever writes your video descriptions needs a lesson on to, too, and two.
How can you do an entire episode on lands and not even mention the Kamigowa lands. Like probably the best utility lands. Because they also mostly enter untapped and tap for coloured mana.
I disdain B-Bog, but not for the same reasons as Joey. Much like Temple of the False God, I always open it and it's always a waste of a spot. I will unnecessarily use R-Tower in every deck rather either of the other two in any deck. Just... ick.
Ture, I feel the same way about bog. I like other grave hate cards.
Maybe the players playing Paliano are doing it thanks to Rule 0(?)
Guildgates are a budget option. You also only need 10 Gates to win with Maze's End, and there are 11 to choose from, so some people might not run all 11. Those are two reasons why the Gates numbers are all over the place.
Rouges passage is so cheasy i refuse to use it lol
Still wanting a Murderboarding video
Wait a minute... Matt's not a dad... wth lol
Scrying Sheets doesn't show up in the top 100 utility lands and is easily top 20 material.
If you play rouges pasage youre asking for land destruction in your pod
Especially if you're running a Master of Cruelty.
ancient tomb mana 🌈
Shouldn't saying terrible dad jokes if you're not a father be considered a faux pa?
Reliquary Tower is a very underwhelming card in non-Blue/non-Control decks.
I run it in my Zegana deck just so I'm not wasting her massive card draw ETB.
big brain play, run urbrg in a nonblack deck to boost flexibility of your utility lands
Wheres yavimaja holloe
Basics>utility
“Too many,” not “to many.”
Dana's Tip joke made me legitimately lose it. Well done.
Third
play 0 untility lands on my group, cause my group will destroy them and you have 3 against you xD
Basic lands FTW. Main reason being that utility or fancy fetch lands are expensive and don't feel good to purchase. If I'm spending 10-20 bucks on a card I want it to do something fucking cool, not just mana fix me or create a zombie or something.
Oh hi market. Is that a JoJo reference lol.
I can't tell if this is a joke or not.
Lol what
look, blood moon just ramps you when you play utility lands
I fucking hate foil cards not gonna lie 😂
Matt made me yawn when he yawned off screen.
I think for Yuriko it makes sense. She's fast, and she aggressively needs a lot of *fast* colored pips and doesn't want too many lands due to a low curve. That invalidates a lot of utility lands as the majority either tap of colorless or come into play tapped.