Iván Fischer about Ludwig van Beethoven

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  • @raquelguerrero4443
    @raquelguerrero4443 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Me gusto muchisimo su explication. Mi imagen de Bethoven se aclaro de una manera sorprendente. Thank u so much.

  • @emilyla6415
    @emilyla6415 9 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    I love someone as passionate about Beethoven as I am :)

    • @riteshajoodha4401
      @riteshajoodha4401 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Emily me too :)

    • @thecontendingforthefaith
      @thecontendingforthefaith 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bernstein's commentaries on Beethoven's Symphonies are also quite delightful, you can tell he greatly esteemed him.

    • @martinstremlow2997
      @martinstremlow2997 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thecontendingforthefaith best comment was made by toscanini

    • @thecontendingforthefaith
      @thecontendingforthefaith 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@martinstremlow2997 not familiar

  • @Transition333
    @Transition333 5 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    I love Ivan! He not only is a great conductor but he explains music to the public in a beautiful, understandable way.

    • @gardikagigih5704
      @gardikagigih5704 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      totaly agree! so eduacative

    • @memattia3198
      @memattia3198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And he is a really kind person, you can see it in his eyes!

    • @brontaylor3481
      @brontaylor3481 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You cab see it when he conducts too.@@memattia3198

  • @MeisterSegarra
    @MeisterSegarra 10 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    He made me smile with every word he spoke

  • @normhall1622
    @normhall1622 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow, what wonderful descriptions of Beethoven's music. I studied piano as a young man and I loved his music. I did not know why but I did. It enriched my soul and I was jubilant when I heard his music. After listening to Maestro Fischer, I know why.

  • @Assalariado762
    @Assalariado762 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Now I know that I´m not a crazy man, I am just like Iván Fischer when listening Beethoven

  • @adamdonovan5633
    @adamdonovan5633 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    This man is a miracle of vitality and musicianship...like Beethoven himself. He has taken us into the very heart of the great composer. Magnificent....!!

  • @babakashtari6470
    @babakashtari6470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I have always said that Beethoven was the first film maker, use your imagination, open your mind and you will soon see what Beethoven pictured in his mind when wrote his music. Absolute genius.

  • @ivanshipy1966
    @ivanshipy1966 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love this interview Ivan has so much passion

  • @murigius1
    @murigius1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Oh my gosh! I don't know what I enjoy more... watching Ivan Fischer explain why he loves Beethoven, or watching him artfully and lovingly conduct Beethoven's symphonies. Amazing man. Men. Both.

  • @Glicksman1
    @Glicksman1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ludwig Van was the first, and I hold the best composer of all time. Brilliantly inventing highly memorable (catchy?) and accessible melodies mostly based upon simple scales and harmonies, he created a genre of music that no one had done before him. His music incorporates and openly expresses all human emotions, longing, hope, love, despair, anger, frustration (of which I think he knew much), hatred, sensuality, spirituality, wonder, passion, fear, excitement, and all else. At times, his music also expresses the pleasure of relaxing and quietly contemplating, even just the elementary satisfaction of observing and appreciating nature. He was extraordinarily insightful both regarding others as well as his inner senses and feelings.
    He was fearless in his compositions. While prior composers had surely experienced and were aware of these emotions, none of them had thought to, or if they did, had dared to attempt to express them in their music as Beethoven did so openly (brazenly for his time) and effectively.
    The self-evident quality of Beethoven’s music and his success, fame and popularity during his life became the most influential musical example of the nineteenth century and beyond. His are the shoulders upon which all later composers have stood and risen. While his example has launched hundreds if not thousands of others on the exquisitely creative path of emotionally liberated musical composition, none of them, in my opinion, equal LVB.
    By far, and for these reasons, as well as the sheer joy of listening to his music, he is my favourite composer.

  • @johnoconnor8721
    @johnoconnor8721 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    " if Beethoven where here you would be afraid of him". I love that.

  • @vivekbammi5133
    @vivekbammi5133 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    How wonderful - two passions coming together in an incredible symphony! Wish we could've heard Ivan for two hours- he brings Beethoven alive like no one else. The "heroic" person in the Eroica is none other than Beethoven himself, my great hero!

    • @22triggy
      @22triggy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mind blown.

    • @katrinat.3032
      @katrinat.3032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And the hero is all of us. Just like Beethoven had to overcome the worst possible thing that could happen to him, his deafness we all have to overcome the burdens and hurts in our life. Beethoven is the quintessential symbol of triumph.

  • @raf1651
    @raf1651 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    How beautiful, I have never heard Ludwig van Beethoven explained like this. My favourite composer!

    • @katrinat.3032
      @katrinat.3032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On TH-cam Claudio Abbado also has great explanations about LVB

    • @raf1651
      @raf1651 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@katrinat.3032 I just love Claudio Abbado, a great conductor, he will be sorely missed, one of the greatest Italian musicians!!!

  • @lucagunetti7250
    @lucagunetti7250 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    And that's why I start to love Ludwig at the age of 7 and never stopped loving HIM

    • @catherineono3387
      @catherineono3387 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too

    • @katrinat.3032
      @katrinat.3032 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The more I listen to LVB the more I love him. I can listen to the music so many times and never get tired of it

  • @yolandevandenberg9037
    @yolandevandenberg9037 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This gives me such a precious appreciation of boisterous Beethoven's genuineness, intensity, intimacy, humour, energy.

  • @gokturkozge6171
    @gokturkozge6171 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I am a huge fan of Ivan Fischer , what a passionate guy.

  • @viragosildiko2
    @viragosildiko2 9 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    the best and most enthusiastic comments about a person, music. My favorite artist /conductor the Hungarian Ivan Fischer!!

    • @andreandi24
      @andreandi24 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Én is szeretem :-)

  • @riteshajoodha4401
    @riteshajoodha4401 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love this man's enthusiasm! Beethoven is my hero.

  • @didinachtergaele
    @didinachtergaele 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is Love ..... (music is Love - feelings - being touched)

  • @thesupper9984
    @thesupper9984 9 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    It is always wonderful to see such enthusiasm.

  • @nandinirao6035
    @nandinirao6035 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What an utterly brilliant dissertation on the genius of Beethoven ! Maestro Fischer has in this video superbly analysed some of the works of the Master, his style his other worldly sheer genius, Fischer understands him so well and takes us laymen through all the nuances of the music and helps us to understand why he wrote the music he did and what he wished to convey. He was revolutionary, his music was so revolutionary, a wake up call to us slumbering mortals totally unafraid , unparalleled grandiosity, heart rending pathos, infinite romanticism, he wrote it all, all the colours of the musical spectrum in all its magnificence . Thank you Maestro for helping us to understand , to put into words and describe so beautifully , the moods and nuances of the genius of Beethoven!👏👏👏👏

  • @flaviocruciani8563
    @flaviocruciani8563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    look at his face how much he loves it when the third sinphony starts

  • @andreasandreotti4492
    @andreasandreotti4492 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I like Ivan´s enthusiasm to put words in music as if he exclaims a poem out of heart!

  • @pianistadanielseixas
    @pianistadanielseixas 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    O maior intérprete de Beethoven vivo! Bravo Maestro! ❤

  • @Talmovies
    @Talmovies 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This intervieuw is so wunderfull. I love him and Beethoven ♥️

  • @Interspirituality
    @Interspirituality 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fischer is a LEGEND. This is lovely.

  • @apusapus71
    @apusapus71 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Beethoven was the first composer to attempt to connect with me (and this was before I was even born). I'm still waiting for the second.

    • @donaldallen1771
      @donaldallen1771 ปีที่แล้ว

      Listen to the last 20 minutes of the Bach St. Matthew Passion. Then listen to the whole thing.

  • @peymannoor5820
    @peymannoor5820 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow thank you.
    Loving Beethoven in a far far distance to every beloved one. And loving you for these works

  • @KyotoMelody
    @KyotoMelody ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How great Fisher talks about Beethoven! I thought I was listening to Beethoven in words, facial expression, and gestures! I wish the talk were much longer! Thank you!

  • @dinaschirripa95
    @dinaschirripa95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    LUDWIG BEETHOVEN IS MY FAVOURITE COMPOSER - BUT AFTER THE LECTURE OF THIS WELL KNOWLEDGED MAN - I LIKE BEETHOVEN EVEN MORE ------

  • @McIntyreBible
    @McIntyreBible 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fisher’s description of Beethoven and his music draws a person to the genius!

  • @catherineono3387
    @catherineono3387 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I cannot remember a time of my life when Beethoven was not there. As a child I would put on a record of one of his symphonies, and in the dark conduct it.

  • @andrejansen5699
    @andrejansen5699 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is so inspiring on the eve of my visit to Bonn to the Beethovenhaus in the 250th year of the commemoration of his birth. Thank you Iván Fischer.

  • @wertherland
    @wertherland 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Awesome! Absolutely loved every minute of this interview.

  • @sakrrdiedei6857
    @sakrrdiedei6857 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Happy 250. birthday Ludwig van ❤️

  • @scheepalicious
    @scheepalicious 11 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    IMMENSELY entertaining and educational.

  • @mrnarason
    @mrnarason 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    extremely insightful, the history lesson was amazing

  • @erpollock
    @erpollock 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I also love Ivan Fisher. He signed my program years ago and said he must get back home (in Hungary?) where his wife is preparing Passover. So I felt an attachment to him. He confessed to all he was a Jew.

  • @McIntyreBible
    @McIntyreBible 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When you listen to Fisher you can sense his passion for music!

  • @prairiecollectors
    @prairiecollectors 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    fantastic summary about Beethoven. Thank you Ivan. I truly enjoyed this.

  • @erdalonurhan8056
    @erdalonurhan8056 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am speechless...

  • @ericeric-gy3xq
    @ericeric-gy3xq 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bravo , je vous admire ! Quelle leçon de vie au travers de Beethoven....

  • @tarisaimuchineripi4472
    @tarisaimuchineripi4472 10 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    amazing explanations!!!

  • @katrinat.3032
    @katrinat.3032 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love this! Now I know I’m not the only one who sees things like sprouting crocus during Beethoven 😁. I LOVE the 4th symphony

  • @muzgash
    @muzgash 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Out of nowhere - A Wild Beethoven emerged!

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ivan Fischer is full of life.

    • @deaner1955
      @deaner1955 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like Beethoven!

  • @deaner1955
    @deaner1955 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love Ivan Fischer! He is so full of life! Who better to explain Beethoven!

  • @Manik-z2b
    @Manik-z2b 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Best video on music.he is fiery 6:56

  • @themaskedviolinist1075
    @themaskedviolinist1075 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great Ivan!!! Thank you so much Maestro! I love Beethoven too :)

  • @samuil_maxim
    @samuil_maxim ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Passion painted with words...!!!

  • @JBorda
    @JBorda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It made me weep

  • @jrbleau
    @jrbleau 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Isn't it wonderful?!!!" - almost superfluous given his enthusiasm over the previous 15 minutes!

  • @SuPeRNinJaRed
    @SuPeRNinJaRed 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The interviewer is just like... aw fug, I dont really need to be here. Just do your thing Ivan!

  • @newenglandartiste
    @newenglandartiste 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love his enthusiasm and his expression as the end of the 3rd movement builds into the 4th movement of the 5th symphony. I can definitely
    relate to his explanation. "Wait, heartbeat, like it would search for something, heartbeat, where is it, look, look, here is comes! Then
    arrival" Got to love it!

  • @fccr6909
    @fccr6909 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favorite director !!!Iván greath☘️☘️👍👍👍

  • @ameldgashgari
    @ameldgashgari 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are wonderful. Very sensational, expressive & passionate . I fully enjoyed every word you said and every move you made.

    • @waggawaggaful
      @waggawaggaful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "sensational, expressive & passionate" - like beethoven!

  • @jettjaguar8150
    @jettjaguar8150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OUTSTANDIBG WORK SIRS , thank you for this !!!

  • @lawrencetaylor4101
    @lawrencetaylor4101 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beethoven needs to have passionate people conduct his symphonies.
    My Radiology Professor loved to tell the story of Beethoven and Paget's Disease, in which his bones started growing after adulthood. A patient will complain that his hat is getting smaller. (We lived in different times back then). The bones of his auditory canal crushed the nerves, rendering him deaf.

  • @perserkatzehaarig01
    @perserkatzehaarig01 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was für ein Poet! Ein ganz großer Musiker!

  • @michelangelomulieri5134
    @michelangelomulieri5134 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very well done talk! Fully agree!

  • @jasonwright7513
    @jasonwright7513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Who in the world could downvote this. People who hate music? Thank God for Beethoven, a shining light on a world that going straight down the drain.

  • @wilsonshields6769
    @wilsonshields6769 ปีที่แล้ว

    A master musician. What a brilliant man

  • @ekaterinakozlovskaia8082
    @ekaterinakozlovskaia8082 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such an awesome explanation from Ivan Fischer! Thank you for posting!

  • @waggawaggaful
    @waggawaggaful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    For me, Beethoven introduces unbridled emotion into formal music that didn't exist in earlier classical and baroque periods. He was the first to incorporate *any* emotion - anger, despair, grief, passion, jealousy, horror, fear - and not just the pleasant, pretty, tranquil, soothing and safe sounds and emotions of his predecessors.

    • @22triggy
      @22triggy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wow just wow, I always wondered why as a 6 year old I was drawn to Classical. I grew up in a very poor area 50 yrs ago on a council estate in the NW of England, and Classical music was unheard of. It always set my heart pounding, it was so unusual that my Dad drove me to my mothers uncle who was a proper audiophile to see what he thought, I sat in his front room just me and him for about 3 hrs with his headphones on, going through his huge collection to see what it was that fired me up, some of it I didn't get at all but there was a lot I did. We stayed another 2 or 3 hrs while he made me a ton of tapes for me to take home. I was fascinated how you could make music from a record jump onto a tape😆. "Uncle Alf' was fascinated by my reactions, he said I was showing complete Joy in my face and body language. I was very traumatised as a kid and Classical took me somewhere else for a short time. I now know why.

    • @waggawaggaful
      @waggawaggaful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@22triggy I was fairly traumatized as well and music was a huge escape for me as well.

    • @grafplaten
      @grafplaten 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Listen to Monteverdi's Orfeo (1607), and then reevaluate your statement.

    • @annedwyer797
      @annedwyer797 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree! For me, Beethoven has an emotional power and intensity that no other composer has.

    • @rsr789
      @rsr789 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@grafplaten I've seen the opera... it's not even close to Beethovens level of music. The last impressive thing in regards to art in the Renaissance is music. It took the middle and really the late Baroque era to make a real breakthrough. Monteverdi whilst excellent for his time, was far less of an influence to future composers Bach and others, until the very late 18th century, and even then rather slowly.
      There is a reason why in their lifetime and continuously after their deaths, Bach and Beethoven have been paced at the top of the pantheon of music.

  • @antoniosilva7083
    @antoniosilva7083 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grande Iván!

  • @Nobilangelo
    @Nobilangelo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    13:00 In the finale of the Eroica the oboe leads the way into the great and grand version of the little pizzicato theme that began the movement.

  • @JustThesis
    @JustThesis ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn't it wonderful? It's wonderful!

  • @orlandomendez2753
    @orlandomendez2753 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is just Beethoven, yes it is beautiful
    I give thanks to God for that incredible chance, the chance of having Beethoven on earth

  • @marleneorein9484
    @marleneorein9484 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beethoven: my beloved Immortal ❤🥰💗💞💞💞

  • @SkillerDee
    @SkillerDee 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ik word helemaal blij van die man

  • @beatrixvantil8623
    @beatrixvantil8623 ปีที่แล้ว

    wonderful !

  • @AnthonyStJohn1
    @AnthonyStJohn1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bravo! Bravo!! Bravo!!!

  • @flaviocruciani8563
    @flaviocruciani8563 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    his face at 02:21 🧡

  • @giandomenicogalluzzi7015
    @giandomenicogalluzzi7015 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    BRAVO !!!

  • @francoiscouture2011
    @francoiscouture2011 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So convincing...Thanks maestro!

  • @elenibakanikolovska238
    @elenibakanikolovska238 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    the journalist was not up to such a conversation with a man who has a lot to say

    • @alexplatjadaro-yx2nn
      @alexplatjadaro-yx2nn 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think he did well
      And listened

    • @isqueirus
      @isqueirus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      When you have someone who has a lot to say, just let him speak. That's what the journalist did

    • @tonyfluxman7596
      @tonyfluxman7596 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No not at all! He allows the conductor to show the genius of the composer. He is unlike most Jo who talk to much and know very little

  • @redbrian3655
    @redbrian3655 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just listened to Fischer conduct the RCO in the 7th th-cam.com/video/-4788Tmz9Zo/w-d-xo.html and thought "Now THIS is a conductor who understands Beethoven"... and then I see this interview. It all comes together. 6:53 Beethoven displays his sense of humor!

    • @mcbm000
      @mcbm000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The same here. Exactly the same!

  • @scottmclennan6114
    @scottmclennan6114 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Isn't it wonderful?" Yes Ivan it certainly is.

  • @84Bevin
    @84Bevin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fischer's talking about the 5th symphony 3 movement is great

  • @VallaMusic
    @VallaMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i maintain Beethoven 3rd symphony created the biggest tectonic shift in all of music - Stravinsky Rite of Spring being a close second

  • @montymonto6430
    @montymonto6430 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As clear as Beethoven's music itself. No Mumbo Jumbo!

  • @omarrafik2422
    @omarrafik2422 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    He can't seem to control himself when the music is on.

  • @elisabethlooijschelder4974
    @elisabethlooijschelder4974 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤Wonderful inreed.

  • @sfbirdclub
    @sfbirdclub ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved this. But I really wish one of the titans of modern symphonic music would include the Pastoral in their explication. The very definition of changing moods, but with no battles--other than nature-- and it tuns out to be lit-giving.

  • @FirstGentleman1
    @FirstGentleman1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I don't understand if people can say that their favourite composer is Grieg or Rachmaninov (nothing against them) when we have Beethoven or Bach.

    • @RodCorkin
      @RodCorkin 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Beethoven's favourite was Handel. :)

    • @SpaghettiToaster
      @SpaghettiToaster 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It means that other people have different tastes from yours. This is easy to understand for a lot of people.

    • @FirstGentleman1
      @FirstGentleman1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, I can respect that. It is not their fault. My problems only starts when they insult great composers because they don't feel them.

    • @dimitrigiok
      @dimitrigiok 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Rachmaninov is marvelous, but I think there is no composer to match Beethoven’s diversity and genius

  • @SuPeRNinJaRed
    @SuPeRNinJaRed 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    6:56 wtf is that noise he is making btw???

  • @BrucknerMotet
    @BrucknerMotet 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    6:53 someone has a sense of humor (whoopie cushion!)

  • @mckernan603
    @mckernan603 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    And Beethoven's opinion of Bonaparte wasn't theoretical: The French bombarded and occupied Vienna in 1809, he took cover in a cellar.

  • @elisabethlooijschelder4974
    @elisabethlooijschelder4974 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ❤Indeed.

  • @v3le
    @v3le ปีที่แล้ว

    Iván Fischer: trust me bro
    Vrije Geluiden:

  • @sesh7357
    @sesh7357 ปีที่แล้ว

    What articulation!!

  • @colinboyd9121
    @colinboyd9121 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really eloquent guy.

  • @Jalcolm1
    @Jalcolm1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Schubert complained that Beethoven did everything that could be done, and there was nothing left to do. So he copied him. That’s what I would have done. Thanks, Beethoven.

  • @DS-yg4qs
    @DS-yg4qs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Slavoj Žižek of conductors.

  • @user-su4qz8zp9u
    @user-su4qz8zp9u 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the name of the mozart divertimento?

  • @jaimebernalromero9394
    @jaimebernalromero9394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Porfavor traduzcan o pongan títulos no todos sabemos idiomas y si nos interesamos en el querido betito

  • @22triggy
    @22triggy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9.56 Floodgates opened the dam has burst.

  • @shivshankarmenon2160
    @shivshankarmenon2160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A wonderfully illuminating and inspiring interview. But it isn’t entirely correct to say that Beethoven severed all connection between his Third Symphony and Napoleon. True enough, on hearing of Napoleon’s coronation, he tore up the title page - with its heading “Buonaparte”- in a fit of fury. But when the symphony appeared in print , the title (in Italian) still referred to Napoleon , though without naming him - “ Heroic Symphony in memory of a great man “.

  • @Joeclarkwrongguy
    @Joeclarkwrongguy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aka while everyone hated him while he was alive. Now they love him . Ironic