America gets desperate. Offers to build AMCA Engine with Technology Transfer. GE F414 Engine.
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- America gets desperate. Offers to build AMCA Engine with Technology Transfer. GE F414 Engine.
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The problem is 20% critical technology is most important, which is not available from USA. If we get 100% technology from France, it will be much beneficial for India...
But US engine is far superior than France and India is also developing it's own Engine with godrej . So even if it will help 80% than it will be crucial for us .
@@Shucasmyes but u won't get the ip rights from US.
That 20% alsoc can be developed, don't worry.
@@ashutoshpandeyz4508 we don't have time especially keeping China on mind. Their indigenous WS 10 (118kn) is ready. & They are mass producing it.
@@Shucasm USA doesn't support exporting fighter jets. They don't want compitition for f16...
Go for reliable France with 100%
Xi jingping ko France ma Grand Welcome mila ha
@@Saikat_Guchhait toh?
Indeed
But have we not already choose Safran for the engine development?
100% dena ho to do. Nahi to line mein or bhi hai- France 🇫🇷 😁
True brother 😊❤😍🤗😇❤️🕉️😌🥰🇮🇳
Select FRANCE... Remember Republic Day
France has no experience in 5th
@@nuclearbriefcase7259 a engine doesn't have to anything with stealth capabilities
Technology Lelo phir slowly bhul jao... USA ko
@Facttri isiliye bolta hoon faida uthalo
@@sakshamjha5214Actually it does, in terms of super cruise and thrust vectoring, reduced heat signature.
We want 110 % tech transfer...
😂
No idea what 110% means ,😊
No knowledge between 110% and 80% except the numbers .
@@srinivasvenugopal2765 gives extra knowledge as well
Baki ka 10% naughty America h kya..?
Transfer of Technology:-
फ्रांस 100%❤
USA 80%😮
Yea well France doesnt even have its own 100kn engine so far.. they have to make it as well.. whereas GE414 is already 98Kn and also one enhanced variant with modifications can do 130Kn too🤷♂️ France doesnt have sucg engines yet
France is a country who also gives helicopter engine technology to India which is named as Shakti engine
@@Ohhhhhhhh bahut achi baat hai.. lekin ab jab unke paas engine hai hi nai 130kn ka🫠
क्या फ्रांस TOT के लिए तैयार है? शायद नहीं.
Transfer of technology is meaningless word.
Only way to develop technology is to do it yourself.
Everything is superficial turning of the screw driver to assemble someone else's design.
Dena hai to 100% kyon nahi deta us beman contry hai😅
Bhai koi bhi country pura nahi deta hai . Sare kuch apne pass rakhte hai .
Betrayed in IPR in GE F414 and again offer? How shameless country this is?
Betrayed...How so?
France is better option 🗿 100%
Ha bhai 😊❤🥰😌🕉️🙏🇮🇳
America India trust issues.
100% technology transfer hona chahiye ✅🇮🇳
Rolls Royce is also offering IP ( this means we can sell the developed engine to other countries)
We want 100% technology transfer. If they are ready then test the requirements of the engine first otherwise no deal.
Hey! America this side. I will think about it
*when will the work start!? I am hearing about offers since years now! When will we finally have a jet, when the world will stop using jets!?*
2030 it will operational
Maggie nahi bana rahe jo 2 min mein ban jayega. Fighter jet hai.
Already started , funds approved
Bro we are designing and building an advanced 5.5th gen jet fully indigenous, fully manufactured in our country including the complex engines, so it will take time just be patient.
Issue after issue keeps popping up that's why.
जहा हम सब्जी खरीदने में इतना सोच विचार भाव मोल करते है
तो ये तो इतनी बड़ी डील है इसमें जल्दबाजी करना हमारे हित में नहीं होगा
रही बात दूसरे देशो के 5th जनरेशन फाइटर एयरक्राफ्ट के जल्दी बन जाने की तो अमेरिका के फाइटर प्लेन के अलावा कोई भी प्लेन प्रॉपर 5th जनरेशन catagory में नहीं आता
दूसरे देशो के सभी फाइटर प्लेन में कुछ न कुछ दिक्कत है यहाँ तक की किसी किसी में तो वेपन बे भी मौजूद नहीं है
भारत जब भी कोई वेपन बनता है वो क्वालिटी में top notch होता है और कॉस्ट इफेक्टिव भी
Koi desprate nai hai
It doesn't want india to be more powerful and want to control indias geopolitics
Hamare pass kaveri project hai ,,french tecnology se rasta banayenge ,,,
American GE Aero Engines are good to fulfill immediate requirements. However, for permanent solution we need to collaborate with French Safran or British Rolls Royes(if they agree for 100% tech). Simultaneously we must continue with Kaveri also.
Am I right, you are getting lots of offers, only the problem is that nothing is happening. In the end it remains only in lots of podcasts.
Right 💯
Putin offers, nuklear floating etc,Biden offers most piwerful engine,Macron will build jet in India etc etc etc podcasts after pidcasts "dosto" kya hai., kaun kya karta hai.
Slowly the podcast sound like music full of falls tone.
The real question is will it will give us copyright for that engine which they are denying in F404 engine because without it it won't be helpful. Without copyright we can't sell our 5th gen tech .
Kuchh bhi nahi dega US sirf 80% technology aur 20% gayi bhaad mei IP right gayi bhaad me agr ham se US gussa ho jayega to hume engine ka critical parts supply nahi hoga AMCA bech ne nahi dega aur bhi bahut kuch
Hum unka engine induct krke apne engine pr bhi kaam chalu rkh sakte hai which will benefit us
The Notable points in GE vs Safran are:
Time frame(development & Induction), Technology needs, reliability, High Altitude performance, Technology Of transfer(100% is preferred by India) etc.
+ They are desperate to not have us as 5th Gen Aircraft exporters.
GE - F414 is outdated engine, none of the modern fighter aircraft using it,
Even American aircrafts are running on pratt & whitney's engine.
If we compare AMCA's engine with F35 lightening 2's engine
Both are single engine fighter aircraft
AMCA's F414 engine produces 98Kn thrust while F35 lightening 2 produces 191Kn thrust with Pratt & Whitney F135 engine.
What you guys thik of it?
No one gives 100% tot.. aero engine is most critical tech.. no one like to share.. some innovations we need to make on top of technologies we can received..
Bechara America kare bhi to kya kare. India ki growth dekh Pakistan ko suport karta hai. China ki growth dekh India ko support karta hai. Aise karte karte China or India dono America ke barabar pahuch jayega.
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Pl do not highlight with red colour, it makes the statement unreadable.
A very good informative video.
Glad it was helpful!
Watch the wording - Technology Transfer usually refers to license manufacture only, while Intellectual Property Rights refers to owning the rights to develop, update, alter, export, produce etc. The latter is what is required, and unless the technology is obsolete nobody will offer it. To hold IPR, you have to design/develop it or a part of it (in a joint venture) yourself.yourself
How long US will dangling the carrot? It is more than 6 years they only promising but no concrete fruitful action.
nice video sir...
India will always be a generation behind when it comes to technology and innovation. By the time AMCA is ready to be inducted you’ll see other advanced countries flying or starting to fly a 6th generation fighter
America is known for his betrayal 😂😂
No need of America in this deal!!
Deal with saffron for co development of engine is the best .
USA has a very bad record on technology transfer...
Earlier we used to hear of the finalised and fructified deals but now we are being told of chatter about deals almost all of which never go through.
Yahi hoti hai propaganda
This is where your small simpleton brain lacks critical thinking. Which one do you think is better, you get to know only once everything is over or you get the information at every stage and based on that we can call out or support the decision taken by the govt based on how it'll impact us later on.
Use your brain a little bit more and start thinking for yourself, also it's not that this is a new thing where even these offers are becoming news, it's just that 10-12 yrs ago you were a kid and hated watching news and reading newspapers and were too busy watching tom & Jerry, Ben 10 and Dragon ball Z.
US per trust na kare better go with Safran
Dependence on foreign countries for weapons is invitation for foreign rule.
What if they have certain components in those 20% which has no TOT which will enable them to ensure those planes dont perform when really required?
I wonder why Hal or drdo has not still come up with their own technology? So many sharp minds we produce every year. Yet we depend on others on such matters. Are iit ians only focussed on their own benefit? Don't they want to serve their country
They serve in nasa Google Microsoft Apple etc sadly btw I want to be a fighter pilot 😊😊😊
@@priyanshurohilla6389 they only care about their package..great that you want to serve your country
What makes you think IITans can develop aircraft engine 😂
@@iam1264 bro there is aeronautical engineering which is on Air craft engine
@@iam1264 bro they can study mechanical engg or aerospace engg or many other branch which they like and they have the sharpness and skillset to apply the knowledge. If Boeing and GE can develop aircraft engines with ex iitians why can't they stay in India and join HAL or DRDO instead ?
WOW NICE SIR 🙏
France offer as per TOT perfect lag raha. Now govt is going to decide
Just go with france.
AMCA mk1 and Tejasmk2 will use F414 (confirmed) . This engine race is for engine of AMCA mk2. but if China attacks Taiwan then there is no way India will be able to go for GE engine so only option left will be SAFRAN
20% will be everyday code without which engine will not start
start kab hoga yaar?? mana ki complex chiz hai par abto 5-6 saal hogaya sunte sunte ki banayange ......... kab bro kab????
we should stay away from amarica, if we dont want to destroy AMCA program.
जय भारत
non sense idea if not transfer with 100% technology.
No one will give 100% tech transfer it is a critical technology .. only 3-4 country have it till now...
Koyee nahin dega.. india bhi nahin dega..
Agar TOT lena hai toh metellurgicaly IPR le sakte hai.. agar nahin dete toh fayda ka sauda nahin hai..
Take engine technology from US & France.... Jai Hind
By my view point India should not go with American engin tach for AMCA project because it affects our strategic autonomy. We already have F404 &F414 engine for Tejas programs. We know how they affecting our production delays
As we need engine urgently,let us ride with GE and saffron. later on go with saffron alone
अमेरिका कभी भी Engine की Intellectual property rights नहीं देगा, जिससे हम अमेरिका के अनुमति के बिना अपने Aircrafts को किसी दूसरे देश नहीं बेंच पाएंगे।
Futuristic Engine के लिए France के Safran या British Rolls Royce ज़्यादा अच्छा Option है, जो हमें General Electric से ज्यादा अच्छा offer भी दे रहे हैं।
If it is true then it is an indication of nearly completion of indigenous jet engine technology. Same thing happened with rocket technology, super computers etc.
We might prefer to European engine for AMCA MK 2
Nearby country copy everything,
we will buy everything.😁
The Strongest thing of India is, India can buy anything. lol 😆
Pehle kyu nahi diya !!!!
What about F35 & F22 Engines .....
What about the threats of imposing sanctions showing different pleas
No IPR no engine woth America!
The offer appears promising and is worth considering. However, we must be cautious due to past inconsistencies with the U.S. government. It's uncertain how this will unfold. Jai Bharat!
Core engine technology मिलना जरूरी है।
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic
That 20 % includes the critical Technology for blade manufacturing without which advanced jet engines are not possible. Even China lags behind in this critical area.
America pr viswas nhi krna chahiya
2 desho se agreement karna chahiye Or 2 desho se technology transfer lena chahiye
But USA not transfer engine IPR
We have to make our engin with collab France or UK
INDIA MAY BE RESTRICTED FROM EXPORTING AMCA, IF IT USES US ENGINES.
FRANCE WILL NOT CAUSE ANY ISSUES.
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20% MISSING PART OF TECH CAN BE RISKY.
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US HAS A HABIT OF DECEIVING ITS ALLIES.
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BUT, US ENGINE HAS MORE THRUST.
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SO, IT A HARD CHOICE.
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ANOTHER APPROACH CAN BE..
1) GO WITH US ENGINE FOR AMCA NOW.
AND
2) DEVELOP A NEW ENGINE WITH SAFFRAN
AND
3) KEEP IMPROVING THE INDIAN GTRE ENGINE
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Not only 💯 TT. , we need IPR and export rights also...
Don't believe. They will not give only delay our product.
For eight years Obama Bharat ko bewakoof banata raha same game is again being played by him through Biden make offers announce tech transfer but do nothing so forget USA AND WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY TAKE FRANCE OFFER WHICH IS MUCH MORE RELIABLE THAN USA
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America kabi agreement kartha he kabi skip kartha he kithna bar . Kese barosa rakhega .
Get from both US & France.!
Select BOTH. Why not? Learn from each and innovate our own which will be even better.
We will need both powers on our side to stand up to China.
100%
Lagne do time pr Kaveri pr he focus kare hum to long term k liye aacha hai
This is such an old news, why cover it now?
Tot is not most important but full IPrights and indemnity contract from any future sancyions due to future potential geoplitical or democratic difference s is te most crucial one.Another problem with existing engibe is futher power enhanxement scope for future. But all depends on which coyntry give the best offer
What India should do to leverage this?
We should push for 85% to 95% ToT and No restrictions from USA to sell to any friendly nation.
Also India should work with France and get their engine with 100% ToT which help to compare and learn and will help us to build better engines in future
Sabh ke sath colaboration karna hai..
No one will give 100% tech transfer it is a critical technology .. only 3-4 countries have it till now... 80 prcnt is still big thing... france akways tells that she will transfer but never transfers
Why India can't do reverse engineering in kaveri engine
Relying on others for any critical technology will be dangerous for longterm interests of nation.
I will give 6G technology 100% ToT.
Made indigenously or made with 100% TOT
T o T. 80/20. Unki 20%, baki 80% se kahin jyada important hai.
India should go with Safron 100 % transfer of technology .
Apne engine pe focus karte to hath nahi failana padta
USA and India’s ups and down in relation affects defense. Plus USA has a lots of strings attached. Plus America will control our entire IAF. See our experience of Tejas engine delay with GE. Worse experience. Best is to take it from France.
Nhi 😢 we should not
China per bharosha ker lo
USA per kabh na kro
Aur bas mae phir jab apko jarurt hogi hum parts nahi daegae America
Good to go for France
What about IP rights?
Intellectual property rights (IP) refers to the legal rights given to the inventor or creator to protect his invention or creation for a certain period of time
@@RahuluddinGandhy I know that. I was asking whether the Co--development share the IP rights in both.
France is more reliable and authentic in terms of short term and long term partnership..
We want100% Owen engine Jai hind 💯
Transfer of technology
France -100%
USA-80%
Access to create and distribute engines as well as jets:
France -100%
USA - needs to have us security clearance.
Pehle be offer karke dusra desko dya hai. Don,t trust USA, or tesla ko bhi dekho
Never trust a former enemy...
Specially a present one..
Ab aya line pe America..
Kahn ka line pe, dillusional you are
India is ages behind China in defence manufacturing. We should not delay. If Frace has 100% ToT lets take it.
ALL black engine radiate more heat that grey
No way , don’t trust anyone, TOT (transfer of technology ) why GE all of sudden officers all technology, only one thing America wants is that, you don’t develop, we will give you , this way you always depend on them, India should do themselves, no matter how much time it’s take
Never ever from the USA.
When will we able to make own jet engine ?❤❤❤❤