2022 Tundra MPG Towing Test
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Toyota has upped the maximum towing capacity to 12,000 pounds. The nicely equipped limited trim I was sent retains a towing capacity of over 11,000 lbs.
We test the Tundra over a 65ish mile towing course that includes 1,000 feet of elevation change and 7% grades. We also tried out Toyota's Trailer Backup Assist.
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The scenery is absolutely stunning! 💯
This time of year everything is green with snow up on the peaks, it certainly makes for amazing views! Thanks for watching!
@@EngineAdventures where is this location exactly?
Provo canyon, Utah
Great review! I liked your take on the transmission.
Thanks again!
I like the tight pin on the receiver. Thanks for showing this.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
As a Tundra and Sequoia owner, you don’t buy them to save gas; you buy them for overall performance and cost of ownership. To save gas buy a Prius.
Yes and no. I went to Moab with a Titan XD diesel towing a trailer. It sucks having to stop every 220ish miles for fuel. Going from 9mpg to 12 mpg while towing can make a huge difference, that's 33% more range per tank. I do love that Toyota focused on performance rather in the new Tundra and Sequoia hybrids (I have a Tundra TRD Pro this week), with fuel mileage improvements being a secondary concern. Also with the 32 gallon tank, range isn't much of an issue.
When towing, I typically don't drive faster than 55 miles per hour. And I notice it does help out tremendously.
That will reduce stress on everything, increase fuel mileage significantly, and be more stable. The only downsides are time to get to destination, and slowing traffic down.
@@EngineAdventures In some states, you are limited to 55 when towing. California. It's one if I remember correctly through my travels.
Thanks for the video. I've been wondering how my truck would handle it going in that area to my fishing spots.
Thanks for watching! I hope your truck treats you well!
The camera is perfect Please check again is not the camera is the a the angle you’re seeing, keep in mind that the line is not a laser.
Great video 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting. You're the second person that has said the camera's lines are perfect. I assure you they are not. Maybe the model Toyota sent to me was flawed, but I connected and disconnected from the trailer multiple times with the Tundra. I've towed this trailer with dozens of other vehicles, this Tundra had the worst lines of any I've tested. Honestly I didn't search through the menus a ton, there may have been a way in the menus to adjust the line position as I've seen on other vehicles in the past.
@@EngineAdventuresMy lines are dead on. I use my truck to pull a landscaping trailer every day. Your camera musta been flawed
Thanks for sharing, this was a very early production media truck that I only had for a week to review. I should be getting a TRD Pro Tundra at the end of the month for a week to test as well. I'm planning to tow with it as well.
great review. Helps me plan for future trips with my 2023 SR5 that i picked up recently. I didnt see much squat or sag. Does your truck have the OEM air bags rear suspension?
This was a media loan that I only had for a week, and no this one didn't have airbags. Honestly squat doesn't matter too much unless it's extreme, a proper weight distribution hitch will take care of a lot of that. No you don't want your headlights pointing to the sky, and a stiffer suspension will be more stable when towing, but I wouldn't base a truck's capability off of how much it squats under load.
That’s not enough payload. If you had 4 people in that truck with that 4700lb trailer, you’d be completely maxed out. Not really a knock on that truck because all 1/2 ton trucks seem to be about the same, but you almost have to move up to a 3/4 ton truck if you want to tow anything over 5k.
Very true, vehicles like the RAV4 have similar payloads to these half ton trucks.
No offense, but you don't know what your talking about. These trucks will tow up to 12,000 lbs when configured right. My limited is rated for 11,300lbs.Tfl put out a video of the capstone towing 10,000 up the ike gauntlet with one passenger and the truck performed so good that the two hosts were having trouble coming up with ways to pick on it. There are ways to account for tongue weight. The right hitch will work absolute wonders and the slightest adjustment of the actual load itself can also help. Their are instructional videos online that can help you understand these things better.
@@T_81535 No offense taken. I understand payload completely fine. It’s part of my job with our fleet. Yes, you can use a weight distributing hitch and possibly shift your load around some, but the tongue weight of your trailer still comes right out of your payload. Most trailers are recommend to have a 10 to 15% tongue weight. A standard 10,000 pound flat deck or travel trailer will need approximately a 1,000 tongue weight in order to achieve proper balance. A 1,000 pound tongue weight with two 200 pound occupants is 1,400 pounds of payload, which exceeds the payload of a large percentage of 1/2 trucks (not just Toyota). The manufactures are limited the 8500 GVWR because of government regulations. We tried hard to make 1/2 ton trucks work because they’re cheaper, require less emission testing, and get better mileage. Unfortunately, the limited payload just made it not feasible. They cannot tow these numbers is most cases “legally”. We have to stay legal, private owners can do whatever they’d like. It doesn’t have anything to do with what the truck “can” do, it’s all about what they’re rated to carry on their frame.
13:33 - Omg I've been on this road before. It's in Utah IIRC
Yup US 189, Provo Canyon
@@EngineAdventures I drove through there from Vegas to Rapid City, SD in one day.
@NytronX that's like 17-18 hours of drive time isn't it? Sounds like a long day, but a lot of very nice and varying scenery.
@@EngineAdventures Yes. By the end, I was holding my head partially out of the window to keep myself awake heading into Rapid City to the motel there. It was quite the trip. I was picking up a used no rust GX 460 in California.
🇺🇸 I have a 2017 tundra... attached a bike carrier on hitch. It looks off from the hitch line. Drives me nuts when I'm backing up. AWSOME REVIEW. I'm in CO. Thx.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I had another truck recently with the offset camera (Silverado), and it wasn't as far off as this Tundra's, but still enough to be annoying.
@@EngineAdventures at first I thought truck was in accident and frame wasn't line up. Your right camera needs better position. Lol.
@@seymorefact4333 haha, that's pretty bad!
I have the same model as you, my camera is centered, hooking up is quite easy.
Thanks for sharing! Honestly, the offset camera isn't too terrible to deal with, but I figure if I complain and make a big deal out of it there is a chance it will get fixed.
How much was the squat with the trailer hooked up? I don’t do much off roading, I’m leaning more towards the limited model with tow mirrors and load leveling rear suspension. Would love to find a video of daily driving with rear airbags vs coils.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Honestly I don't ever measure or care too much about the sag. It seemed like it almost leveled the truck (the rear sits a little higher than the front when unloaded). I did attend a Tundra event in Denver, and I drove a Capstone model with the air springs. The course they had was only a few miles but there wasn't a big difference between the coils and air springs. The air springs were a little smoother, but not much.
Coil springs when towing. I had it on my ram and it had lots of squat and sway.
It just depends on how the suspension is tuned. There are railcars that use coil springs, for these half ton trucks with payloads in the same range as many crossovers the focus is on a better ride when empty. Coil, leaf, torsion bar, doesn't really matter, each can be tuned however the manufacturer wants them to be.
The camera is factory aligned.
Your trailer and truck is not straight.
It doesn't matter how much you deny it.
The trailer is the one that is not straight.
Go setup a Lazer levels on both sides the truck and you'll see.
Well in this case it was factory misaligned then. It crossed over at the hitch ball, but then went way off to the other side by the end of the green line. I've towed this trailer with at least 10 vehicles, likely many more, and I've never had an offset camera work perfectly. However, this is one of the worst I've experienced. It's not a deal breaker for me, I still love the truck, just something Toyota could and should improve.
The lane keep is aggressive and can pull you into a bad situation. Push the button on the right side of the wheel above the cruise and hold it down and it will shut off and stay off.
Thanks for watching and commenting. That's an excellent tip for those of us that don't typically like these features!
Does it stay off even after you shut the truck off? Or does it reset?
@@MrNickster12345 in case you didn't figure it out by now, it does stay off when you turn the truck off and back on later.
Looking at 24' Tundra Limited w/ TRD pkg. & I occasionally tow a travel trailer.You mentioned the weight of the trailer but was wondering what is the length of your trailer from tongue to rear. Also , when your Tundra w/ trailer was moving you to left , could you have taken that "lane keep assist" off or is it always on. Also inquired about Rear Air Suspension on Tundra Limited w/ TRD pkg. & heard Toyota doesn't offer Rear Air Suspension w/ TRD pkg. becuase Billstein struts are too soft & made for off-road , not sure if you heard anything like that. It doesn't look like your rear suspension sagged much at all. Didvyou ever measure before & after trailer hookup.
Thanks
This was just a media truck I had to review for a week.
I believe the trailer is 21' long. Pretty sure you can turn it off.
I should be getting a TRD Pro Tundra to test in a few weeks that I can try the lane keep assist with.
I haven't heard on the air suspension, but shocks are easy to change.
I don't measure or care about squat, use a weight distribution hitch, like an Equal-i-zer, to improve sway control and reduce squat if it's an issue. Just stay within the manufacturer ratings and you'll be fine.
Yes you can turn off lane assist and no you can't get the self leveling rear air suspension with the off road package for the very reason you mentioned in your comment.
If you are in Tow Mode do you need to take it out of overdrive or does it do that automatically?
Great question! No need to manually keep the transmission out of overdrive.
It used to be important to stay out of overdrive when towing, but with new vehicles that isn't a concern. Automatic transmissions are much better than they used to be. Specifically in this case 8th, 9th, and 10th are all overdrive gears, and while towing the truck will mostly stay out of those gears anyway.
@@EngineAdventures thanks for the info
That’s some big country. What state?
Utah, nice views pretty much no matter where you are!
My 5.7 Toy V8 gets the same mileage as your V6 towing my 5500# TT.
Thanks for sharing. I can't remember if I towed this trailer with a previous generation Tundra or not, but typically this trailer returns terrible fuel mileage because of its big flat front. I've towed a 5th wheel weighing double what this one does and gotten better fuel mileage.
Hey thanks for the great content. Do you think the tundra would have a problem with a 8x16 utility trailer? Weight empty is 2,400 lb and loaded 4,600 lb.
Thanks for watching! I don't think you'd have any problems at all with that load, as long as you have a proper tongue weight.
@@EngineAdventures thank you for the reply. Would the tongue weight be on the spec sheet I got from when I just bought it? Or is there a way to calculate the tongue weight? I heard it is 10-15 % of the weight
@@MrNickster12345 sometimes manufacturers will list the empty tongue weight but not often, it's something you have to check. You need to know your trailer weight to get a tongue weight measurement though. Fastway trailer has a couple of different scales that work really well for tongue weight measurements, but for trailer weight, you either need to khow much cargo weight you're adding and know the empty trailer weight, or weigh the trailer.
@@EngineAdventures oh ok the trailer empty is 2,420 pounds and I am adding 2,000 pounds so would my tongue weight be 400 something pounds?
@@MrNickster12345 yeah 440 lbs would be your target. It never hurts to go a little more (500ish), but can become dangerous when you go lower.
Did the limited come with air bag suspension?
Not this one.
They make max power at 2900 no?
I think it's actually 2,400 rpm, but that may only be the peak with the hybrid.
I love my 5.7 Tundra Crewmax would never trade it for e V6 Twin Turbo. I love my 4 cylinder turbo tho.
We'll have to wait and see about reliability on the TT V6!
Saw you filled with 91, I thought toyota rated the tundra on 87.
You are correct that Toyota recommends 87. However, most modern engines have engine mapping that will advance or retard timing for the most power without knock. The bigger issue is that I have no idea what fuel was in the truck when it was dropped off to me. When towing I typically will run premium fuel, and the benefits are higher with turbocharged engines vs naturally aspirated.
@@EngineAdventures Even with modern engines you will still need a tune.
A good tune will give you benefits with any fuel, but especially with higher octanes. The Tundra's owner's manual says 87 or above recommended, which indicates Toyota has programming in place to run higher octanes. Again you are correct, to maximize gains a tune is most likely needed.
Warm Springs
I'm not familiar with a warm springs in this area.
What's the payload of this truck? 600lbs of tongue weight is probably over half it's payload.
I think it was around 1,400 lbs for this truck, but I don't remember for sure. Either way, half ton trucks don't have very good payload I'm general. I've tested some that were under 1,000 lbs.
Have you compared this trucks mpg against the 5.7L v-8 hauling the same trailer and same route?
I don't believe I've towed this trailer with the previous gen Tundra.
@@EngineAdventures you should...just really curious if the twin turbo gets better mpg than v-8 towing...
My guess is that they are about the same. I'll see what I can do.
I've towed the same load with both engines. Honestly the fuel economy was just a tad bit better on the new truck for my application but the difference in torque and performance is also very noticable on the new one. Toyota didn't design the new truck for fuel efficiency per say but rather for increased performance without sacrificing fuel efficiency. It is a very capable truck for a half ton and very well built.
Thanks for sharing! I went to a Tundra media event and the Toyota reps told me that the hybrid system was for performance first. I didn't believe them until I drove the hybrid Sequoia. It definitely doesn't get great fuel mileage but the performance is awesome! I'm looking forward to testing the 3rd Gen Tundra TRD Pro soon, which has the hybrid system.
What about the transmission fluid temperature?
It does have towing gauges you can set up that shows trans temp. I had no issues with it, which is probably why I didn't mention much about it in the video.
@@EngineAdventures thank you for the reply awesome truck 👍
@pecosb5221 thanks for watching! This was a media truck that I had for a week. I really want to test the hybrid version, as the Sequoia hybrid I tested was pretty awesome.
How are you able to get these press cars to test?
I'm a freelancer and write for a variety of media outlets.
Going downhill did you notice the truck downshifting to slow it down? I also noticed the camera on my Tundra didn’t align when I was setting the tow vehicle, you are correct about the camera angle. I like the backup tow assist as I use it on an as needed basis. You can easily override it.
I didn't notice this at all, but I was going downhill into a headwind with a billboard of a trailer behind me. I imagine it does, but don't know for sure. Does yours downshift by itself when towing downhill?
@@EngineAdventures Yes, I did notice it downshifting on its own to control the descent which surprised me.
My mileage towing the airstream basecamp 20 most likely about 4000 lbs was 13.9 mpg. I tried to keep the speed at 65.
@@Nsbskf5475 Yeah the basecamp has a much smaller and more aerodynamic profile than the Thor I was pulling. 13.9 isn't too bad.
My 5.7 2018 tundra gets that
That's the same with most turbo engines. When towing the V8's get the same or better mileage as compared to the V8's. The turbo engines typically get better mileage unloaded though.
@@EngineAdventures Only as long as you stay out of the boost👍🏽
@@gabevillarreal96 true!
Why is it necessary to drive 70 while towing?
True, if everyone drove 55mph greenhouse gasses would be significantly reduced and so would fuel consumption. Air quality would increase and natural resources would be conserved. I pulled the trailer at 70mph because that was the speed limit. The faster you go the less stable the tow vehicle and trailer will be. When doing a towing test of a vehicle, going faster can help determine how stable the tow vehicle's platform is.
Can you test Gen 3 Ford Raptor offroading?
I'll see what I can get Ford to do for me. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Why 91 octane gas?
I always run 91 octane in high compression or turbo engines. Even if they can run on lower octane generally they get their best performance with 91+. I also tend to run higher octane while towing as the engine is getting pushed harder and is more prone to knock (which modern vehicles will detect and retard the timing to compensate, but that causes power reduction).
When it comes to turbos, they're giving you everything they have at about 2500 RPMs. You said "I feel there's a lot more left" but they actually don't have anything left in reserve at that point, they're pushing out 90 to 95 percent of peak torque at 2500. N/A engines like the old 5.7 are where they have more and more to give as you wind them up. So basically at 3000+ in this truck, that's all you got. It will rev higher but it just sounds like its working harder its not actually doing anything more.
Yeah I'm surprised at how well they do down low. The torque curve of this engine is pretty low until about 2k rpm then it jumps up really fast and maintains very high torque from around 2,500 to 4,300, then it starts to drop off. Thanks for watching and sharing!
You need a proper WD hitch with sway control on that rig.
I deliberately don't use a weight distribution hitch for testing vehicles as I want to see how well the vehicle performs. I have access to an Equal-i-zer brand hitch, which is probably the best in the industry. It also provides significant sway control and would skew my test results on how the vehicle actually tows. In general you are correct though, and I recommend that just about everyone towing a camping trailer use a WD hitch!
So this thing has to run on high test? And gets that lousy milage? No thanks.
I've never had anything get good fuel mileage with this trailer. I'm not sure if I've tested any of the half ton diesel's with it, but the best I've gotten from a gas engine has been 12mpg.
I don't run high test in mine. Had I known it required high test fuel I wouldn't have bought the dam thing.
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Thanks for watching!
I rather just have a v8 don't like these v6 twin turbos
We will have to wait and see how they play out in the long term, but the V8's from just about every truck manufacturer are very reliable engines!
I wanted to see the dead raccoon
Haha I think you can catch a small glimpse of it if you're really looking. Thanks for watching!