What Is The ARMSTRONG CURSE?
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- DAVE KNOWS that the Armstrong family is one of wrestling industry's most respected kin in all of WWE, WCW, TNA and NWA wrestling history. Unfortunately, your average fan doesn't seem to know who they are. However, maybe the fans aren't to blame for this. Maybe there is a more ominous reason as to why they made a stable living as wrestlers, but yet mostly failed to become mainstream. In this episode I talk about the legendary Armstrong wrestling curse.
In terms of "family curses" at least it's not a tragic one like the Graham Family or Von Erich Family.
True.. there are far worse
Or the Harts
Right
Was Ready to mention the Von Erichs name. Guess someone beat me to the punch
The Armstrong's were one of those examples of each sibling excelling at one certain thing each. Brad was the 1980 prototype pro wrestler ready for prime time . Steve and Scott were regional southern workers who would have excelled in a southern non-wwf terittory (I.e. Smoky Mountain). Brian was the Armstrong who had his finger on the pulse of 1990's rebellious attitudes,and you could say he was the "Smartest" cause he found a persona that just connected on this massive level.
The story of Bob almost losing his face is legit, it happened in Wheeling, WV and actually made the papers there
And yes, the Candyman was an AWFUL gimmick lmao
I grew up watching Bob Armstrong on Georgia Championship Wrestling. I felt that both he & later Brad Armstrong deserved more of a push nationally. Brad lacked the charisma but he was extremely good inside the ring.
Growing up Bob Armstrong was my !ocal wrestling hero, met him and his sons several times ,always a class act.
Hard to be more of legend than Bullet Bob
The only Armstrong curse is that Bullet Bob and Brad were the only good wrestlers, and the rest were cursed by being infinitely worse.
Honestly, I think Brad was held back in the 80's NWA by politics and his youth. If someone in Charlotte was smart, they'd have made him a Horseman. He def had the ability, and it woulda catapulted his career. Or, if hed have gotten in WWF before the circus/costume party phase, he couldve been a perfect opponent for Savage.
Road Dogg wore the “look mom, no curse” shirt while wrestling. At WM14, I believe. Brad used to wear an Armstrong Curse shirt on tv around the same time.
If you can pinpoint that down I would love to find it, I wasn't able to find an exact example of it
Idk what he's talking about bob Armstrong is legendary
It was a term Brian Armstrong came up with. It's not something I made up
Scott Armstrong was dixie dynamite and Steve was in the southern boys with Tracy smoothers I am from Alabama and the armstongs were big down here
Billy gun was dead without Dogg dog is hands down in the best top 20 talkers in wwe history.
There is nothing about him that's good. For one he is so weird and thinks he is black.
and these days, it's Big Cass that's dead without his "Road Dogg" Enzo. 😂
THE ALAMO....HIGH NOON....HIGGANBOTTOM
No.
Billy Gunn was in many successful tag teams
Bob Armstrong was a great wrestler. I watched him on georgia championship wrestling. Along with Minnesota wrecking crew, the Assassins , Dusty, Ric, Mr . Wrestling 1and 2. Great times. Don't forget Austin idol. Young Kevin Sullivan
Tommy wildlife Rich.
Lord Humougus, the nightmares, Studd Stable, Adrian Adonis
The Armstrongs never got over because the wrestling promotions they worked for were too stupid to do anything useful with them, they all were great workers in the ring, and I don't know how this guy didn't think that Lance Cassidy didn't look like a superstar, if Lance Cassidy didn't look like a superstar then what did the rest of the Armstrongs look like to him?
I thought Brad looked like a superstar
brad was nice looking fast etc
and right with steamboat 3× tag champions even if short reigns come on man!!!
The Armstrong Curse, whatever it may have been, was never ever a matter of getting over. The Bullet and the Boys got over like CRAZY whether they were in Boutwell Auditorium, The Omni, or in front of 100 people at a car lot somewhere. I saw all of them work many many times - Bullet, Scott, and Steve I saw work as up close as you can get, with me in Bob's sleeper watching Scott roll up my partner. Steve and I had an angle in the summer of 2000. Those guys NEVER failed to tear the crowd all to pieces. Lots and lots of noise. Never was it about getting over. It was about getting pushed. They could not get pushed.
I am very well-versed in this curse...I watched WCW Saturday Night and WCW Worldwide on the reg as a kid.
I remember watching Bob Armstrong in the late sixties on Atlanta tv and he was nothing but a jobber and he supposedly went to Japan and came back to Georgia and became a main event attraction in Georgia and then in Florida and in Alabama and was put over by some top stars of the time such as the Assassins, Ole Anderson, Abdullah the Butcher etc.
I remember Gordon Solie always saying Bob Armstrong the only native Georgian to ever hold the North American heavyweight championship.
Brad Armstrong also held the MidSouth North American Heavyweight Championship as a Marietta, Georgia native in The early middle Eighties.🤔😉🎤🤼♂️B.W.
Originally, Brian had no plans to become a wrestler. He planned to make the U.S. Marines his career. After he became a combat vet, in 1991's Gulf War, he changed his mind. He would've been booked as a jobber, in WCW. But, Vince McMahon saw potential in him. Thus, the least likely Armstrong, to become a wrestler, became the most successful one.
Well said
He told me that himself, when I met him in 1994. Steve and Bullet are two of my FB friends.
Wow awesome. I know he may not be the most popular guy to some right now, but he's good by me
Awesome video bro,you just gained a subscriber
And especially with his classic DX work on The Mic the most reminiscent of his Legendary Dad.🤔🤔🎤🤼♂️B.W.
I keep forgetting that if you didn't live in TN, NC, KY, VA, WV, SC, or northern GA then you didn't get to watch SMW. Bob Armstrong was the on TV commissioner, Brad was a 2 time SMW Heavy Weight Champion, Scott and Steve were a tag team there and Road Dogg wrestled under a mask there except for two matches where he used the name Brian Armstrong. You should watch SMW sometime man, I think you would dig it, 95% of the episodes are on youtube. SMW, USWA, and ECW (before ECW got on TNN) were the last 3 wrestling territories in the US.
Very, very good to know
I watched all the Armstrong’s in the mid 80’s wrestling for Intercontinental Championship Wrestling in Birmingham at Boutwell Auditorium. It’s was when Bob supposedly got hurt bad but came back as the Bullet. It was awesome! Lol
I remember watching bob Armstrong beating Ric flair pinned him twice two separate matches.
Yeah me too but NWA and WCW protected Ric flair All the time Ric was a joke
For awhile in their Athletic primes Bob Armstrong and Tony Atlas achieved something that at the time was very significant. They were at the time the ONLY two guys ever to score clean pinfalls on Hulk Hogan! And Bob achieved his when Hogan was Sterling Golden on The Gulf Coast in 1979 and he upset him for The NWA Southeastern Championship.🤔😮🎤🌊☀️🌴💪🤼♂️B.W.
Brad was screwed over, big time
Yeah he was, such a shame too
I think of them as the Von Erichs in reverse. The youngest of the clan, Brian, was the biggest, best talker, and most likely succeed, compared to the oldest, Brad. Brian was like David Von Erich in that sense. And like the Von Erichs, each one had their own skill set, but it was still the patriarch, Bob, who had the whole package--just like Fritz
I don't know about other wrestling fans, but during the New Age Outlaws period, the Road Dogg was over as hell with me! The "Ladies and gentleman..." shtick got me hyped every time. I'm glad you gave him his due :)
I feel like the Armstrong curse is not talked about enough, so I wanted the whole family to get some recognition, they deserve it
Brad was voted rookie of the year in 1980 by PWI magazine. The Armstrongs were big on the gulf coast.
The Armstrong curse of not getting the deserved recognition even extends to this video. For example, that picture at 1:38 is not Bob Armstrong, it's Tommy Seigler who was a popular face in the Georgia & Florida in the Seventies. Armstrong was cropped out of the picture.
I heard an interview with Brian where he hates the term Armstrong Curse. HHH said that to Road Dog when he approached him about his drug problem. He States that when Triple ab said to him "It's the Armstrong Curse". He wanted to punch him out.
And that's fair.. but I have read other interviews where it was about other things too. It's such a meta thing that it depends on who you ask. I went with the one that I find most likely
echoing what Dennis Gabriel said I think they preferred to work with their dad and preferred the straight forward traditional nwa style wrestling and really honestly chose not to be huge but to make a living and be able to maintain their ethics and for that I respected them. Staying close to dad and their fan base in southern territories where they were happy,more important than money & exposure.I really think so. And Brad doing all that for WCW and Crockett,well,he is a team player,company loyalist and would do what's asked of him I expect.I understand WCW wanted to call him Spiderman until marvel stepped in.They should of anticipated that.
I guess they figured that there was already a Hulk, why not a Spiderman. Yes, I do respect the Armstrongs for what they've done for the industry as well. I made this video because when talking to a friend of mine who is a big wrestling fan, I found out that he didn't know what the Armstrong Curse was. I also then found out how little most people talk about it outside of extreme meta circles. So I figured that it deserved a video.
Absolutely. If not just to give a true wrestling family some deserved recognition.well done.
I wish I knew the week it happened so I could find the episode, but Scott and Steve broke the Armstrong curse when they beat Raven and Kanyon on an episode of Thunder. Guys, I swear it happened. Raven even acknowledged it the next week as he and Kanyon began feuding.
See that's the thing, there are plenty of reasons to remember the Armstrongs, which is why it's tragic that not enough people do
What ya'll know about Georgia Championship Wrestling? I remember watching it as a kid with my Dad back in the early 80's.
I remember that I'm a huge Ted DiBiase fan
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Hell yeah! That name right there brought up some old memories!
Same here it was every Saturday afternoon at 5pm followed by the Red Holland fishing show. Lol
This is a new one for me I've been a wrestling fan since the mid-seventies and been watching the Armstrong wrestler ever since and not once have I never heard of the Armstrong curse they are huge in the south I recently got to see Scott and his son wrestle as a tag team Bob and Brad were the first ones to ever hold the NWA National tag team belts before them it was just a trophy and Brad didn't wrestle for the WWF because he wanted to stay near his family
It's a pretty meta in-joke from 20 years ago. I made this episode because a friend of mine, life long fan, never heard of it either, so I figure why not cover it. I should have included a pic of Road Dogg wearing the shirt, but I couldn't find it at the time. I have it now though
The Armstrong curse only applies to Scott and Steve because they always loss on wcw Saturday
Brad was sorta over. He had a solid rivalry with Tully Blanchard for the TV title and was a UWF tag team champion
The candyman's theme song should have been the ice cream truck song done by Herbert the Pervert.
An improvement, but still don't think the gimmick gets over
Please don't try to polish a turd.
Bullet Bob was huge in Southeastern Championship Wrestling!
He was
I knew of Road Dogg, and the da because of his time with TNA, but I had no idea the family was that large. it's cool to see that the ref is road Dogg's brother.
Yeah, I wanted to give the rest of them some recognition
Very Informative , You got a new sub here !
Also mad love for the Kick push beat
Thank you and Welcome!
As someone who grew up watching the Armstrong's with the smaller local promotions it did always seem that the timing never seemed to make it with the larger national promotions.
Which is a shame in my book, but it's cool you saw them in smaller promotions
Bullet Bob wrestled with a mask in Smokey Mountain Wrestling because he was supposed to be banned from the territory so he had to wrestle has "The Bullet" .
all i know is that when I was 13 living at Craig Airfoce base in Alabama I watched wrestling there.Bob Armstrong and Bearcat wrestled as a midcard wonder tag team.Some matches they actually won.
If the Dad never stole one of Abdullah the Butcher's Stuff, Road Dogg should have been WWF Champion.
That's why you never mess with Abby
Dave Knows Wrestling Yeah and the fact that he'll give you hep.c
Look ass clone did u hear dude say dogg broke the armstrong curse
Armstrong beat Ted debiase for the Natl title on tv while pretending to be Mr R . Brad did have all the tools and talent and if wrestling hadn’t ended with the territory’s he probably would have been one of the best known names in the country . Bob did drop weights on his face , but used the keyfabe story that Ted debiase had dropped the weight on his face to draw heat .
I wanted to like this video but there are 316 likes...as an Austin fan its just too perfect for me to change. But I like the video
I totally respect that!
Several of Brad Armstrong’s contemporaries say that Brad’s inability to achieve greater success in the business, was his unwillingness to work for the WWF because it would have required him to be far away from the South, where he enjoyed living and working. Given the backstage politics and culture of the WWF, I completely understand Brad’s desire to remain in the South, even if he could have made more money in Vince’s promotion.
Classic 8-Man Tag Team Dream Match:
Brad Armstrong, Magnum T.A., "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff & Tommy "Wildfire" Rich (vs.) Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat, Kevin Von Erich, Larry Zybysco & Rick Martell. Who wins?
Sounds like a good match
Here is a fun little factoid for my fellow wrestling fans and music fans, musician Ray Stevens got injured several times by Bob Armstrong back when he was Blue Cyclone, why? 1. He was a big fan of the wrestler Ray Stevens, during a match he through at Armstrong to keep him from locking the wrestler that shared his name in a sleeperhold, after the match the musician was beaten down and suffered a neck injury. 2. When he healed up he try to have two guys help him jump Armstrong in a wrestling bar, yet the two guys chickened out and got his ass kicked again. 3. He got jumped by Armstrong a final time at a concert, leading Stevens to write a hilarious song “Blue Cyclone” about his many fights with him, this led them to burying the hatchet.
In number 1 I meant to put threw a chair sorry all
Fun story
Fascinating
Note to self never steal a severed head from anyone who can put curses on you
Or just in general I think that's a good rule
The Armstrong’s always got screwed. They are part of what made wrestling......a BIG part. A big,big,big part. True wrestling entertainment. They were ahead of their time.
They definitely deserved much better
How did the Armstrongs get screwed they were huge in the South and still are in the South you can't mention wrestling without mentioning the Armstrongs
Brad could work with anyone. One of the most underappreciated wrestlers of all time.
When Road Dogg and Billy Gunn formed the NAO, I hated them with a passion. They did their job so damn well. When Cactus and Funk (sorry I'm not using that stupid name Vince gave him in the 90s), beat them for the tag titles, I marked out.
I was very against the NAO myself in the beginning, I was a big LOD fan
Armstrong curse was around long before wrestling!
If low - level mid card is making it big , i guess The Road Dogg broke that curse
2 things:
1. Larry Zbysko made the comment during a rematch between Dean Malenko and Armstrong. Armstrong had won against Malenko the previous week. This was after Malenko stole Rey Misterio's mask. Armstrong was having a hard time finishing off Malenko, and Zybysko made the "Armstrong Curse" comment.
2. It was jobber to the stars Tom Zenk as 1 half of Dos Hombres, not Armstrong, according to Bischoff.
Well thanks for the input
Road Dogg was the Armstrong that could talk. That’s why he got over but in comparison he’s the least talented family member. And none of his stuff holds up today. Wrestling or promo wise.
Exactly he was by far the worst in ring technician of the family , his daddy was actually a better talker than him but he was good enough that he could get over in the attitude era. As you stated it doesnt hold up today but it worked when it needed to.
I can't really argue with that. I do wish his other kin got more credit
Tim Waldroff it’s really sad too because if you at most of contemporaries(Booker T, Stone Cold, etc) their matches and promos hold up just fine. However, Road Dogg’s stuff looks awful these days.
If you were a teen in the south in the 80s there was no bigger star
than Bob Armstrong. When “bad to the bone” hit we all lost our minds. The Bullet didn’t hit nationally because of his age when WWF blew up. Plain and simple.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
Road Dog also a veteran of the Marines the danger the military goes through he thankful serived to try his hand in wrestling
For those who were unaware of that... "Oh you didn't know" sorry I had to say it
kick push kick push kick push coasstttt
I thought dos hombres was Shane Douglas and Ricky steamboat when they feuded with the Hollywood blondes?
He was an occasional substitute
Abdullah/Abby the Butcher: "The (Canadian) Wildman from the Sudan," with a (metal) fork.
Bobby the Brain Heenan, "If I were born an Armstrong, I'd be cursing."
Hahhaha
how are you gonna ask if the curse is real when you mentioned road dogg
I loved Bob and Brad they were awesome
Yeah the Road Dogg got over for what...three years. With the exception of the New Age Outlaws feud with Cactus Jack and Chainsaw Charlie as soon as the Outlaws entrance was over I took a bathroom break or for some grub. So I would have kept him a manager and not a wrestler. That's why his time was relatively short in my opinion.
What about his run with K-Kwik?! Wait no, you're right.
Did you know Mr.Westling 2 wife made Ric Flair's Robes.
A fun fact for ya.
Cool, thanks
poo comes out of your butt.
It’s the curse of the Bookers who didn’t give them much of a chance
Yeah that's booking for ya
I always wondered about the von Erich curse.
Well that's a different video
Don't quite understand how this could possibly be true when two members have been inducted into the Hall of Fame...
HoF doesn't equal a meaningful feud on TV and since the person who came up with the concept didn't live to see it, I think it's possible
Brian Armstrong put some really good matches but the whole time in my head I'm saying "why did you agree to this gimmick?"
I wonder that too
Brad Armstrong was one of the reasons I started lifting weights and working out. Just being in that tag team with his dad made him awesome!! He was one of my favorites. Maybe he should have gone to WWE! Road Dog and dx sucks!!!
He was real good
Anyone hear about how Juventud Guerrera and Psicosis ended Brad's carrer via a shoot version of the Stone Cold parking lot hit and run? True story.
He was injured while filming that scene, but it wasn't a shoot. It also didn't end his career. While he was out with injury his WCW contract expired. He then returned to the ring and even worked for the WWE, mostly as a trainer, but he also did house shows from time to time
This girl in my class said I'LL CURSE YOU SO BAD YOU'LL NEVER GET FULL MARKS ON A TEST AGAIN. And I have not gotten full marks ever since. It happened 2 years ago
Well you gotta channel that Road Dogg magic!
Dave Knows Wrestling what??
Do whatever Road Dogg did to break his curse
There is nothing compared to the Von Erich curse. Armstrong curse? They haven't done too bad for themselves. They don't get over because they are too blue colored. Which is a good thing to me. However, people prefer the Rock or HHH or people like that. The only so called blue color guy to make it really big was Stone Cold. But he had a lot of things going for him that made it happen for him.
I heard it was Bob stealing Wahoo's headdress.
Whoa.. you just don't do that
Wrestling bio sent me
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To me the top members of the family are road dogg brad and bullet bob road dogg was easily the best promo and most famous bullet bob legend and brad solid worker that was a victim of bad booking
Yes I think that is a fairly accurate assessment
Yeah, but what about The Road Dogg? He's one of the Armstrong brothers. Or does he not count because he wrestled under a different name? Plus Bullet Bob is one of the few guys who got a clean win on TV over a prime Hogan.
What about him I def mentioned him in this video
@@DaveKnowsWrestling Yeah I saw it at the end, cool stuff. So if he broke the curse, can it really still be called a curse?
I thought Shane Douglas was the other Dos Hombre with Steamboat? Did I miss something?
There were more than 2 over the years
Well Better Scrap My Plans To Be A Wrestler
No way, why? Are you an Armstrong? If so, you're good.. Road Dogg broke the curse
i wondered why Scott Armstrong and Road Dogg looked alike, mindblown. Thanks Dave
Oh you didn't know?
Yeah, I mean because Roadie was the one to presumably break the curse & had the most success, they used his theme music when they inducted their father "Bullet" Bob into the WWE Hall of Fame, complete with the standard "Ladies & gentlemen, boys & girls and children of all ages" shtick the D-O-Double-G is famous for. th-cam.com/video/r-qEKhIRe_k/w-d-xo.html
I don't think the Armstrong sons were really cursed. Brad was a great technical wrestler (almost as smooth as Eaton or Arn Anderson) but had no mic skills and a lack of charisma to put him over. This became esp. hard for him to suceed as the 90s approached and WCW started to follow WWF's blueprint of getting into cartoonish gimmicks and going way from more traditional wrestling. Road Dogg was the complete opposite. He had tons of charisma and mic skills but was pretty crappy in the ring IMO. I think the guy had what. two or three moves (if you can even call them that).
I am in complete agreement
Nobody gets up from the stretch Armstrong ....only old skool know bout that
Can we really say that Road Dogg broke the curse? When he didn't wrestle under his real name? Just a thought..
When his brother wrestled under a bunch of gimmicks.. yeah, I think the real name thing isn't a factor
BA was cool as a No Limit Soldier
Anyone being cool as a NLS is something I have to think about
Well I never really knew any thing about the armstongs I know the von Erich curse
That one is definitely better known
I thought Bill Demott was the father of Goldberg's streak!
You misheard what I said in the video
Well now roadogg isnt over with the fans with his booking of smackdown so I guess the armstrong curse starts again?
That's a good point.. it could just be on a delay
Bad booking?
I think that's part of it, but they also got chances too
Xxx"look ma no curse!"xxX
I want to find that shirt
I grew up in Knoxville Bob was the booker in the territory so he was the top star, he was over....Brad Armstrong was the continental champ and was over and Scott was the Jr Champ.....Was over.....where I grew up there was no curse
Of course they were over in certain areas, but the specific statement, which again I didn't come up with, is about how they did on national TV
Dave Knows Wrestling well then if you wanna talk National tv....WTBS was in fact a superstation and had National tv in 1983 and Bob and Brad were over then to....But I get it the Armstrong curse was a thing that Brad and Brian did steer into....It was WCW incomprehensible leaders that looked at Brad and Scott and Steve (and Brian for a short time) as guys who were guys to get over other guys which speaks more to their talent than anything (also working shows with Bob and Scott some 15 years ago was a highlight of my life)
the road dogg the underdog got over
He sure was an underdog
You should do a video of the Anoa'i Family
I do plan on it.. also trying to figure out how to pronounce the name correctly first
Dave Knows Wrestling AH-NO-AH-EE (Anoa'i)
Thank you
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Brad was Smokey Mountain Champion
But never world champion
I thought it was Tom Zenk that was with Steamboat
It was multiple with Steamboat
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I don't think its real I think they like working with there dad in the south and brad was a great wrestler he just got stuck when wrestling turn to shit and everyone needed a gimmick
Fair reasoning. How do you feel about Road Dogg being the most famous?
Dave Knows Wrestling I like the Road Dogg I think he broke the mold because he was a bigger statue than the rest of them the rest of them were Junior heavyweights where he fell into heavyweight
Really, I always felt like Brad was the biggest. I also think that Road Dogg's mic skills were a big plus too
Dave Knows Wrestling yes roaddog had better mic skills but 💯 . size wize I don't know never seen them in person but road dog looks bigger on tv
I think the thing is for me that Road Dogg is slightly bigger in stature, but allow me to clarify, Brad always looked more muscular and defined. So I guess I really mean he has bigger muscles than Road Dogg
The Von Erics had more of a curse than them.
Abdullah the butcher put it on him
There is no such thing as a curse. The idea that this was brought on by some shrunken head that Bob stole from Abdullah is silly. The Armstrongs were great wrestlers in the ring, but just bland when it came to everything else. In wrestling if you don't have a good gimmick and a good ability to talk on camera you can just forget it.Brad had great in ring skills but just boring when it came to everything else. Road Dog was the opposite, He had ok ring skills and more importantly he could talk and had a great gimmick. This is why he was able to go further than his brothers.
Very fair and logical outlook on the situation. Hard to doubt
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BOB ARMSTRONG SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE N.W.A. WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION ! HE BEAT RIC FLAIR !
Kayfabe is a cruel mistress
@@DaveKnowsWrestling ?
I don't think it's a Armstrong curse Brad was the most talented but he was boring
The Armstrong family was good but nowhere near as good as the Von Erich's
What y'all know about the stretch Armstrong?
That guy's cursed to be pulled all the time
Dave Knows Wrestling lol it used to be the name of road dogg move ..before just calling it pumphandle slam
Jim heard fault
A lot of things are
What you got a problem with my last name
I assume you're joking. And good one if that's the case
Don't make me kill you