E85 Dyno time for Project GSR | Mitsubishi 4G63 | fullBOOST
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode of Project GSR, we get our Mitsubishi AWD Lancer 4G63 on the dyno for E85 ethanol tuning.
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My brother has an Evo 9 turbo on his Evo 6, running e85 (stock everything else). Car makes around 250kw's and goes great.
YESSSS G25 please. I got one on my STI and its mint, cazy response you'd love it.
Cheers guys. Really enjoying these vids on Gsr’s. Probably because I have one with an Evo 3 63t in her.
Great work 👍🏻
Same love this content. I built the 93t in my gsr, love the 1.8l engine. 300awkw 👌
I find adding a lot of fuel to the cold start helps it start a lot quicker when cold on e85. My car cold starts like it's on petrol, but it doesn't like being loaded up until it's been running for a little bit.
With no decent breather the crank case pressure will be pushing oil out past the old turbos front seal and filling ya pipes. There are heaps of hybrids out there. TD06 or smaller TD05 rear with a garrett 60-1 front end would see you at 250+ TD06SL2-Garrett 60-1. VR4 - Evo 3 4bolt. Heaps of china ones around now. Or maybe splash on a gtx3076r. 300+. Or the smaller 28.
Go with a FP turbo, either an fp green or red. GREAT response and can make LOTS of power.
Many moons ago on a hh vr4 we went with a Chinese Td05 20g and a eboost elec controller. The standard accuator(internal gate) had to be swapped as china turbos had a huge spring.
Ran at 20 psi all day. had same bottom and mid as per vid but a couple extra hp up top. bolt on item for 300 bucks.
otherwise new manifold/ exhaust intercooler plumbing etc....hello a couple of grand!!!
#my2cents
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Port a big 16g from the evo 3. You’ll be suprise how much power they can make with supporting mods. I did 11.6 at the quarter with stock cams and injectors with difficulty shifting on my evo3 here in the UK at santa pod
I daily E85. Audi 1.8t quattro with a TD04HL 15G. Power output about the same as yours. Weighs 1550kg. I get about 7.5km/l with occasional happy right foot. Should be possible to reduce your fuel consumption.
Something from GTpumps if they make other turbos for the earlier models 👍
2871r using a t3 flange like what you have would go mint, it's what alot of us mps guys switch to after the k04.
love the content guys keep up the good work :) and happy new year
Mate I've got a gtx3071r gen2 on my gsr, forged 1.8l custom t3 manifold obviously. Weekend car making over 300awkw on 98, as you said this is HEAPS for a light awd car, you may even be able to take an rx8. I'm running an ecmLink with speed density setup.
Definitely stick to something like a 2871r stock frame, so much less messing around. I had a kinugawa before building this engine and even on the stock 1.8 it spooled well. As you know many hours on the tig as soon as you decide to change turbo frame.
I added another -10 fitting to my valve cover running into a baffled catch can, plumbed back into the intake, works a treat.
Fullboost brothers? More like LS lover brothers 😂
Increase the pressure to the regulator then tune it back to make it lean after .the increase pressure should help the cold start
They could also hang the injectors open for longer in crank conditions
Good content as always!
Hope you guys are safe from the fires over there
Hey cutie
@@tommcmanaway hey babz
20g turbo, 30 psi and quick spool. Do head studs though. My 4g63 swapped Rx7 loves it. Mid 11s
quickspool valves are so good
Who else wore their black fullboost t-shirt out? Damn I need another one
TD05 20G on the stock manifold, affordable, easy replacement, will make plenty of power and if you don’t like it you can always go 6Boost manifold with a Garrett.
Good luck with the Evo 2 lip, like hens teeth!
I dont want to sound like a keyboard warrior. Im just trying to share whats worked for me in all my e85 swaps. If this helps you, awesome. If it doesnt, thats fine too.
Try turning your cranking fuel way up. You wont flood it. Its because the first fire is on petrol fumes, the ethanol doesnt vapourise when cold cranking. 200% increase in cold cranking fuel under 30*C isnt uncommon to get e85 to start. Your post crank enrichment looks bang on though so I'd leave that alone, and your hot cranking sounds fine too. You absolutely can get e85 to coldstart like stock. All my e85 cars fire on the first hit of the key even in the snow.
For economy; I'd recommend going to 1.05 lambda up to 90kpa, then rapidly tapering down to your target lambda at 100kpa upwards. This still gets you all your rapid spoolup and power, but helps burn each molecule of fuel while cruising. Ethanol being so efficient at cooling, aka poor at vapourising, it likes to have a little extra oxygen around to ensure a complete burn. I see decent improvements of around 10% usually from the lambda change. (if your idle stumbles after this, add fuel again in the 1000rpm and 30kpa cell, so you have a stoich idle but a lean cruise. But if the slightly lean idle isnt stumbly, leave it idling slightly lean).
And dont be afraid of using plenty of spark in cruise cells. 35*BTDC isnt uncommon in high vacuum cells for peak economy. I have no idea what your cruising spark map looks like but this is definitely an area that would drink fuel if its not optimised.
I know this will sound rubbish but its the real world for me; My economy on e85 is almost the same as my old petrol tune (5% loss is common), because e85 lets you optimise the tune for economy so safely, this gsr shouldnt be any different. And I hope you get some more economy out of it because its done wonders for me being able to drive on e85 as a daily fuel.
Love the series and keep turning out the content. Hope this helps
Thanks Ben for the advice, will get it looked it. It's only had a few attempts at cold start.
I'll keep you posted on the fuel economy, I know that can definitely improve. I am yet to do a full tank trip in it (many short trips with cold starts and warm ups) so am keen to see how it goes.
Wonderful news, I'm keen to see it's progression and more videos on it. Keep up the rad work!!
Mitsi 4 life! ef your bro with the scooberoo lol! Seems like e85 is a waste of time! Pretty decent figures though from a 2 litre 4! The talk about the suspension/steering reminds me of me 30 year old gto lol,shot as! She was on the dyno today and it didnt make more than 300 lmao but.... 1/4 mile is the figure that counts! 😉👍
1) Get whatever fits your budget. I think 300whp is good and within reach without upgraded internals. EFR and G25 turbos aren't cheap.
2) Catch Can should be used to but in truth I had over 400whp and the stock PVC, not much oil at all.
Yeah a bolt on turbo is going to be much cheaper. Otherwise everything needs altering.
Did you do track days in it? interested to know what type of driving you've done, cheers.
Something diesel guys do, and works just as effectively on spark engines, is running pre-intercooler water injection. It keeps the pipes and cooler clean of oil, and doesnt pool like the oil did.
Mounting the nozzle anywhere between the turbo outlet and the intercooler inlet is ideal for cleaning
Great to see more updates. Keen to hear how much better the brakes are?
As for suspension upgrades, I have both an E1 on BCs and an E3 on springs/shocks. To be honest, good springs and shocks are a better ride with just as good handling. Would love to try some MCAs, but didnt have the funds when I bought the BCs
Daily driven Audi 1.8T on E85 with a garrett turbo making about 200kw. 450km out of tank with a 62L tank. Wouldn’t have it any other way!
Love seeing updates on this car. Turbo wise I would say to consider Holset HX35.
Too big for his application
Good worlk lads. Yellow wagon added a GSR to his daily kill list...
Holset hx35 or hx40 cheap bang for buck turbo and plenty of people have been using them on these cars making 250-300kw easy.
Go G25 ! Imo a super modern turbo would really liven up the car
712 will put a smile on your face on a 2L. Easy 11 second passes with that turbo on the 2L 👍
A GTPumps 712? I don't think they make those for first gen 4Gs?
Fullboost they used to not long ago? That’s a shame if they discontinued it. 20g gtp might be the next best option for the street then
@@fullboost we make stuff that's not on the web site :) Also that turbo just needs different pressure wastegate the stock spring is very weak 0.6 bar.
Mark at gtpumps has e1-3 turbos good for 350wkw! He'll make something up to suit what you need! My mate is making 350wkw with a gtpumps ewg
It's a stock 4G. You'll need an mls head gasket. Studs. And a bigger turbo. Then prepare to fry your clutch. Once you've done those. You'll make tons of power. But then you start breaking T-Cases, rear diffs and axles.
Everything else should hold up well into the 300kw range. Driving with a little care.
Hi,
I've had couple early evo's a 2 & a 3.
A true full 3" exhust and uprated 02 housing totally transform these,but then will need to port the manifold and turbo entry and wastegate exit because get boost creep.
And uprate airfilter works well,I used igt kit and the rs inlet pipe,from "camskill"
Is loads options to uprate turbo's using stock frame,definitely the easy way to go,i put a ported evo 3 turbo on my 2,because evo3 compressor side is slightly bigger.
Change dump Valve to the later metal one (think are on evo8/9)if haven't all ready because the plastic ones leak.
And is like a purge box (sorry forgot the name) driver side next to intercooler under the wing that block off.
Evo2 has the strongest pistons and can take 14 1,6 bar boost, evo3 higher compression and can't and suffer ring land falure.
As for splitter can use Renault laguna looks good but evo3 bumpers the better looking evo..
Hope I've been off some help ,👍
Thanks
It does have the later model metal BOV.
I have seen the Renault versions. I prefer the more subtle look of the E2 over the E3.
Cool af the early evo’s up to 3 where my fav cars as a young kid ended up buying a cordia turbo for my first car so I still have a soft spot for those evos love to see you boys go wild on the gsr engine someday seen them used in a variety of different combos
I loved watching the drag evo3
From nz and the dude from qld rob I think his name was with a fast one back in maybe early 2000’s
Rob Barac 9 second Yellow Evo 3 from 12-13 yrs ago was Nutty as,, I love Evos an i've had pretty much one from every Model, but its the 3 i will never ever sell
GT-pumps warranty is 22psi you can send the turbo to 25-26psi easy ;) Its a Stock turbo but internals are different, Larger entry turbine etc,
Should do some Drop in cams + a better exhaust i bet you are running a Jasma ;) bottle necked somewhere,
My 3 gets 390-420kms on E85.. Its alot of Hit & a Miss with Evo's i've had most Evo models an i've never had one run less then 300kms on E85.. but i've seen plenty of People in the community get 150kms.... Some guy was 100km .... in a 7 was terrible for something only making 220wkw. an the tank is bigger then a 3,
400km?, How many litres are you refilling up? I don't run my tank very low.
@@fullboost around 40L normally 10L in tank but im also running 460kw Motec M1 helps heaps
Hi,just remembered "forced performance" do alot good stock frame turbo's and stuff for these,parts are under "dsm" but basically still early evo,and alot evo stuff from evo1-9 are interchangeable like lash adjusters (alot people uprate to the 3mm ones) pistons and rods (I put evo9 pistons and rods in my evo3) ect ect,👍
Back in my day when I had early evo's a popular turbo mod on a standard engine was the 20g wheel turbo. .
Yeah, the bolt on turbo I showed in the video is from FP. Read many good things about them.
@@fullboost
Sorry didn't see the turbo in the video because was typing message 😭 silly me opppppsie 👍
One day I'll have a black one from these badass
Makinen style titanium turbine wheel, will see boost at 1,500 RPM, also mines style twin downpipes will help low down torque as well. :)
Drop in cams an option Jordo? Tune the choppy idle out and reap the benefits
Question, why do you use such high viscosity oil like 15w-50. Shouldn’t it be a bit lower?
I use the same though my bearing tolerance is different on a built engine. Helps with bearing loads when you get on it. I'd say they're trying to protect a worn engine for a bit longer.
The engine has done over 150,000kms
I dunno what people see in the 4/5/6 chassis, the GSR/1/2/3 chassis is the ultimate Yakuza spec.
Also 15W-50? Wtf? 10w-40 is what I put in my 8.
Turbo Suggestion? Just chuck a rebuilt 9 Turbo on it, ez 400 horse.
I run both grades of oil. I sometimes run a thicker oil in summer. The engine has quite a lot of kms on it.
Later model EVO turbos wont suit these engines.
Hi just noticed in a old video,I'm new so only just watching now,is a bolt missing on the j-pipe on turbo hope you replaced it because would get boost leak 👍
Give hyper gear turbos a try I had them make one for my stagea(vq25) and it was fantastic
I did daily a turbo intech AU on E85 for about 6 months, there was a united close to me and one my route to work, so the range was fine, but it got very expensive
yeah i want the evo 1/2 bar cover getting really hard to find
I will never understand E85 on a street car. its great to make power but I don't want it on my 2J street supra because I can easily make the power goal I want on 98 without the hassle.
I should add I get over 650km out of a 60L tank with a single 6262 billet pte gen 2 making 420rwhp highway driving like a normal person, 450km at worst.
It depends on what you want to use it for as you said. E85 is great under high stress track conditions 👍
e85 makes plenty of sense on a street car.
Its economy is as good as petrol once dialled in, it keeps your engine amazingly clean, its mad for the planet, it's $1.39 per litre permanently in Sydney, it makes strong midrange torque which makes it super pleasant to drive, it prevents heatsoak related powerloss on summer cruises, and it's nice knowing your precious engine is safe from detonation at all times.
Everything of mine has always been e85 swapped, the track toy and the daily. Hell, even the girlfriends yaris is on e85.
deffs just bolt to the stock manifold. See if Tao from hypergear does a highflow for it?
Awesome mate! 👍👍
The shitty stock air box is killing it....
I want evo 1
That wire was too close to the wheel on the dyno for my comfort 😳
It's my dream car
when are we racing it boys?
That car you need a vf34 p18 exhaust.
Boost controller was saying fullBOOST...how ironic...
EFR 7163?
Get a fp red turbo got one on my dsm
Just wondering if the AOS are legal in Victoria?
well its not venting anything, its returning back to the intake.
Fullboost awesome, as I have my pcv currently goin to the air intake for my turbo and I don’t want my intercooler and pipe work getting all gummed up but didn’t wanna go illegal with a catch can
@@ryanlowe3588 I don't want to vent it, it will stink and yes it's not legal.
Hello
Do you know if anyone is producing a Compound turbo Barra Engine?
Yes it has been done before.
as you said you only want 240kw i would say just get a stock evo 9 turbo and get it tuned on E85. it will do 240kw or close to it and will be a cheap swap with minimal change to turbo response.
i had an FP red equivalent turbo on my evo 7, mine was making 270kw at the wheels on 98. the FP green or similar equivalent turbo with E85 is good for 300kw or close to 300kw with only a little more lag than the stock evo 9 turbo, the red or equivalent is more lag again.
mark quirk can't believe so many don't know this
Stock evo8mr turbo should be enough. Or a evo9 turbo.
They don't fit on early Evo 1-3
mark quirk make it fit and stop complaining
Can't make it fit! You know very little about evos🤔😂
Those turbos aren't really an option, due to how they would mount. I think an E10 turbo could be used though.
mark quirk yes, aftermarket manifold. Shows how much you know about cars ;)
😍😍😍😍😍
Still confused you call it a gsr despite having all the Evo 2 gear
Is it a factory Evo plate and tagged lancer gsr?
Or a factory GSR with Evo gear all swapped over?
He said in the older videos it was a gsr body with Evo running gear
The Aust Gsr are 1.8 (4g93?)
i thinks this is a 2l conversion 4g63t from an evo1 that was done prior to purchase (he talked about in a prev video? - happy to be wrong)
@@matthewsmyk9091 yea pretty much what I was tryna say lol
It's an Aus spec GSR with an RVR engine. The drive-train is still GSR.
Yes thats a 4g63 which is the 2lt. The 1.8lt is the 4g93 so its a GSR with the engine swap done
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Br8es for e85 fpred for hp or green watch out for rod
2.5" exhaust is killing power.....
We haven't foind that to be the case.
@@fullboost put a full true 3" exhaust in and re Dyno it.... Numbers will surprise you...
The car used to have a full 3in exhaust but it was too loud. At this power level it made no difference dropping to a cat back 2.5 👍.
Ytbz
E85 on a road car is nonsense unless you like milky oil changes, and the cost of setting it up . Why bother
its not his everyday car
@@matthewsmyk9091 and how would you no , it's registered for the road so car street car it is . End of story.
@@_i-kr6eg because he purchased a Renault for his everyday car 6 months ago. they made videos about it
If the engine is built for it, it gives way more power than pump gas. Also depending on your country, it might be cheaper to drive e85. Like in Finland where I live. I drive e85 all year around in my daily too. No milky oil changes and no problems with cold starts when cranking maps are tuned properly.
@@_i-kr6eg He literally says in the video it's not a daily