The thing about Civil War is that Thing and Wolverine are the only ones actually doing the smart thing and realizing that there's a fight that the heroes _should_ be fighting instead of each other and are really the only ones to make it out as the better people. Ben just straight-up leaves and Logan goes after the ones actually responsible.
I always respected the heroes who simply decided to take no smoke in that war My man Doctor Strange literally just went to the moon to meditate with the watcher while all this was going on
Moon Knight was another one. Even though no one respected him at this time, he thought the war was BS as criminals haven’t stopped during it. Nova is another one that even though he didn’t know about civil war, he was pissed off when he found out about it. He yelled at Ironman because he was dealing with universe ending threat, and earth’s heroes had no idea as they were too busy fighting each other.
Wolverine is one of the few characters in comics that just unabashedly says " absolutely fuck no we're not going to try and redeem this guy" And mean it with complete sincerity and have the power to stop anyone from stopping him from making sure of that thing.
@@alexdoniii There's anatomically incorrect and then there's just straight up bizarrely warped due to art style. I honestly really dislike that particular style in this instance and it definitely puts me off reading comics with it, but to each their own...
So I don’t know if this is right but are you saying that Marvel Civil War started because of an insurance company trying to make more money. Yeah I don’t know how to feel about this
It's not an insurance company it's a superhero clean-up company. Damage Control is the only Marvel company that cleans up after superhero and super villain fights and that's why after every major story New York seems to be rebuilt fast
@@wintertrooper7918 One of them, at least. My favorite regen is still when Wolverine was literally torn into pieces and then regenerated from a single drop of blood that landed on a crazy powerful gem. (the abbreviated story)
@dwpetrak yeah that gem is almost never mentioned by people when talking about that scene especially since it's not a wolverine feat but that gems feat
@@jnnx meanwhile you care more then me. My fault you must be the TH-cam spelling police. Do people like you actually have anything else better to do. Guess it makes you feel superior to point out mistakes. What a life!. Say you have nothing better to do with your time 🤡
Understandable. But now producers and studios are realizing that today's landscape of entertainment allows concepts to be in a series format rather than trying to cram everything possible into a 90-120 screentime movie. Hell, some MCU episodes run either 60-75 minutes, depending on the episode/chapter. And as far as crossovers, they can look to Star Trek and Star Wars for pretty much re-writing the book on crossovers and keeping it canon enough to appease the terminally-online die-hards.
And because of this, Spider-Man got his identity revealed, made the deal with the devil, got rid of his marriage with MJ, and had MJ left him for some guy named Paul.
@@Ash-Winchester You are literally defending the author who put a self insert of himself and made peter become a depressed cuck, you get no say in this
The writers thought that Peter growing up and getting married was what had caused his popularity to drop, which is nonsense. And the way they went on solving the problem was handled just about as badly as it could have been.
@@phabiorules yea but those measures almost never work out in wolverine Logan went with a group of soldiers to hunt down nitro you would suspect highly trained soldiers to get to nitro without him blowing up nope he did to them what he did to the new warriors Logan survived because of his healing factor.
No the Stamford incident wasn't a planned thing they had been supplying Nitro with the MGH but it wasn't to cause a Stamford incident it was to cause more issues and destruction (smaller scale things) it was the intervention of the New Warriors that caused Nitro to go nuclear damage control then tried to clean up their own mess
@@wintertrooper7918I wonder if that's what Nitro meant by "you're messing with the big leagues now girl". He says this to Namorita right before blowing up. It always struck me as a weird line since nitro isn't exactly an A-lister himself. Maybe he was actually referring to the people backing him.
@TrashPanda90914 yeah he was referring to damage control and Walter Declun who had been supplying him with MGH (contrary to the short it doesn't require mutant ability nor does it grant mutant ability but it was created for mutants) prior to that he was only powerful enough to kill everyone in a small one bedroom apartment size area of himself a far cry from what he displayed at Stamford
@@ajdominguez1002 Ah, cadmus. The government organization that batman let get away with murdering a child. A child that was being experimented on to be turned into a weapon, but he couldn't even be bothered to lift a finger to save her. She needed his help and turned his back on her. Some hero he is.
@naolidecomisso4108 well after this happened and the civil war was on full swing a couple of reporters that were embedded in both sides of the conflict found some issues that lead to the revelation thst Tony Stark had masterminded a plot to start a war between the surface and Atlantis to force the civil war to end with everyone registering in order to fight against this new bigger threat
Nah that lady is fine (unscrupulous but fine) she had no idea about the plot but she did give wolverine the smoking gun that led him right to the guy behind it
Ima say it again, this storyline was one of the best storylines in comic book history. The ramifications of Civil War still rings bells to this day. Damage Control manipulating things behind the scenes was a crazy discovery. I want the MCU to bring in these large corporations to their movies, and show them manipulating events behind the scenes.
@@nate8604 it was more of the effect of toomes being out of a job that caused him to turn into the vulture, damage control themselves didn’t orchestrate the damage to the city in any form in the mcu. that was all loki when he caused a miniature galactic war in manhattan in 2012
Civil war is a lot more than that actually, it's basically a series of event that led to civil war, not just starting with nitro There's secret war(Fury secret war, not the other secret war), wolverine being brainwashed and mind control by the hand and become the enemy of the state, etc, etc, civil war is basically a inevitable time bomb For those who don't read wolverine comic, especially during this run, i highly recommend it, it's fun
This wolverine series is pretty damn good until they have that dogshit arc where they change Logan’s backstory and now he’s the reincarnation of some cat from caveman times or something.
Wow, i did not know that civil war was an inside job that is nuts , and today is my birthday, and i want to say thanks, Dan, for giving me the interest in reading comics again. Thanks to you, i bought the first 3 hellboy omnibuses, so Thanks bro you're a legend.
It also led to my favorite moment in all of comics, as who orchestrated all of this? Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastic. He had calculated that the world would end umless he set off something now to release some tension. So he arranged a civil war. It's why i consider Reed maybe the scariest guy in all of Marvel: he will arrange the murder of an entire preschool and set off a hero war because he knows that he's saving the world, you're just not smart enough to understand how he came to that conclusion. No one is. It's like having Thanos as one of your core heros.
@@frankspick7544 In my favorite moment in comics ever, Reed then has a moment of doubt, so he tricks the Mad Thinker into breaking into the Baxter Building. Once Thinker is there, Reed walks him to his lab, where an entire room is covered in calculations showing that it was either murder the kids and start a civil war, or the world ends, and begs Thinker to check his math, as no one else is smart enough to understand it. Thinker looks it over for a couple minutes and says: "I quit, and I give up the title of Mad Thinker. Our rivalry is over; you are, indisputably, smarter than me. I can't check your math. No one can. And I cannot fathom how hideously alone that leaves you."
No Reed didn't orchestrate it or anything. Rather, it was that he had used his technology to view other timelines, and using his own genius, he became convinced that the civil war was inevitable and chose to side with Tony as that was the way he saw to save everyone
@@wintertrooper7918 That is the RR moment that I remember. I remember thinking of it in a meta context as Marvel basically saying "hey, I know this all makes no sense to you guys but the smartest guy in the universe did some crazy math and said this is how it had to be." What was funniest to me was how the shot never showed the math, just a very constrained shot of the Thinker. The scene wasn't a "hey this guy was behind the whole thing" and more a "you see, this is justified." And I think it was ultimately in response to RR having everyone sent to Marvel's version of the Phantom Zone that I can't remember its name of at the moment.
Most of the surviving New Warriors had left the team prior to Stamford for whatever reason and some like Firestar chose to abandon superheroes instead of getting involved
This information should be used to, at least partially, clear the names of the New Warriors lost in the detonation that started the Civil War, and to help Speedball/Penance move on, if it hasn't already.
Everyone during Civil War: Let's fight because we can't talk things through and the goverment is wanting to enforce a law that borderlines in fascism and will endanger a lot of innocent people! Meanwhile Wolverine: I'm gonna put my thinking cap and do some detective work... Also i'm gonna go kill Nitro because i'm pissed off
I loved that issue, everybody was fighting, arguing and picking sides and wolverine is the only one who thinks about finding out who killed all those kids
One of the very few recon that actually makes the story better. Civil War wasn’t that good, But it did as it advertised, Heroes versus heroes. I only wish they had this level of complexity
This wasn't a retcon. This was a Civil War tie-in. The problem was that Cap and Iron Man were so focused on the Superhuman Registration Act on the main mini series that no one listened to Wolverine when he said they should actually go after the people behind the Stanford incident.
@@connorblake7487 It is a retcon in that it changes the point of the story and every consequence behind it. It went from a very serious question: what do we do when superheroes (and by extension supervillains) get out of hand? To no question at all but: we need to find out who did this and punish them. Nothing learned, nothing gained. With the retcon it forces everything back to the status quo, because no one did anything wrong, it was just a single rogue element. Once they bring them to justice then everything will be fine, no need to think about any deep questions or consequences. It is narrative finger pointing, done because the story wrote itself into a corner. After all, if these heroes are what you sell to make money, is it a good idea to permanently alienate half your audience or more for countless issues just because they were on one side or another of the argument? Comics always do this - reset to status quo. That is all this was. Bait-and-switch, reset, retcon. Call it whatever you want but it wasn't what they set out to do in the first place.
Yep, while everyone else was butting heads in the Civil War, Wolverine was doing the right thing and going after the people responsible. Seeing all the different perspectives of the Civil War is cool; but it's a shame that it has over forty books that tie into it. Im going to read them all even though I really want to.
I never found out the end of Civil War because back then (Hell now!) I couldnt afford that many single issues. I dont want to short artist/writers/editors but I just cant pay 2-5$ an issue for a 40-60 issue arc. The big 2 need to figure out a magazine or digest format for current titles.
Given how many big battles, and even small ones, that happen why would Damage Control even need to do this? Plus, this led to more hero regulations, with the goal of Preventing what happened. Seems a bit unnecessary.
I love this moments when wolverine is treated as a human with hundred of years of experience insted of "Rhawg* i'm wolverine, i'm feral and have claws, i'm dumb as rocks though"
thank you for this. Civil War had a few things that left me puzzled, and Nitro was one of them. How was he so dangerous that singular time speedball attacked him, when others like Iron Man had beaten him through similar ways? Well, because Damage Controll drugged nItro to become even more destructive. Is there more on what the x-men were doing during Civil War, my trade copy of the event doesn't event really mention them.
You could write one of the greatest stories oat. If the art’s horrendous, I will NOT be reading. It just makes it harder to immerse myself unfortunately. Perhaps I’ll just listen to an E-Book or something lol.
I remember in this comic, before he caught Nitro, Wolverine was incinerated until only a smoking skeleton remained, and yet he still regenerated. I wondered when Wolverine turned into Cell from DBZ?
This is why i don't follow main marvel stories anymore. Almost every single plot is driven by someone being a walking douche bag spewing feces around for supposed future good in their philosophy. Single writers in a single world is much more engaging and believable.
The Problem with the Civil War Storyline is that almost every writer tried to undermine the core concept from the beginning. When you create a conspiracy behind the events and have only a few characters actually investigate it, you basically reduce every other storyline to a meaningless brawl between wildly out of character heroes.
This artwork is simultaneously really technically impressive, ultra stylized, and really ugly all at the same time. The sausage fingers really bother me lol.
I feel like that makes just enough sense to be a shady government operation you believe could happen and just little enough sense that you can believe that this is *how* they would do it.
Its really crazy that when I read about Damage Control in the 80s/90s they were a pretty benign helpful organization. They just cleaned up messes after fights, instead of orchestrating them to drum up business.
Humberto Ramos artwork is stylised, people who whine about his human anatomy or body proportions in comic book artworks are clearly very new or naive.. him and Bachalo are my favorite Marvel artists.. on the modern DC side, it's Jorge Jimenez, Dan Mora and Di Mateo
This happens during Wolverine Vol.3 Issues 44-49 Help me out and subscribe, we're almost at 300k!! (can't believe i get to say that)
What year did this comic come out?
Brainrot cape shi
@@GODi76667 2005.
Humberto Ramos' art is dope
@@GODi76667 2005
The thing about Civil War is that Thing and Wolverine are the only ones actually doing the smart thing and realizing that there's a fight that the heroes _should_ be fighting instead of each other and are really the only ones to make it out as the better people.
Ben just straight-up leaves and Logan goes after the ones actually responsible.
I always respected the heroes who simply decided to take no smoke in that war
My man Doctor Strange literally just went to the moon to meditate with the watcher while all this was going on
What was the Thing doing during Civil War?
@@HaseoIXif I remember he left and went to France to join a hero team there to actually do hero work.
Moon Knight was another one. Even though no one respected him at this time, he thought the war was BS as criminals haven’t stopped during it.
Nova is another one that even though he didn’t know about civil war, he was pissed off when he found out about it. He yelled at Ironman because he was dealing with universe ending threat, and earth’s heroes had no idea as they were too busy fighting each other.
@@phabiorules what of the guardians during civil war
The artist really said “Fuck it we ball!” When drawing wolverine
Okay, for whatever reason this made me laugh my ass off.
Sometime they don't want him to be 5'6
@@thepeanut3126 5'3^
This Wolverine came from the grand line :)
Fuck it WE NECK
Wolverine is one of the few characters in comics that just unabashedly says " absolutely fuck no we're not going to try and redeem this guy" And mean it with complete sincerity and have the power to stop anyone from stopping him from making sure of that thing.
yeah, he is literally like, "i don't care if i dig hard enough and people try to epstein me, you can try, but i'm the best at what i do"
You'd be right if he didn't let Cyclops live after he killed Xavier and became a poor man's Magneto.
@@AnakinSkywalker-u5b expand on If you would like to please, cuz I Am not very familiar with this specific scenario
Make sense being an immortal who keeps going to war lol.
That's why there's already a marvel timeline where wolverine kills everyone with a big smile on his face due to hydra brainwashing 🙃
Wolverine was one of the smartest people during Civil War.
Benn Grimm, moving to Paris to fight mole people: 🗿
They should have listened
Wisest*. He's old as fuck.
Civil War was such a dumb event at the end of the day.
Where was he?
So they killed what 600 people 60 of wich children for a nice bit of cash and also ruined speedballs mind again for money
Yes
@@brandonfitzgerald-eo3tk Damn that's fucked up
Happens in the real world more then u think
Actually it's way more than just 600 because there's also the people affected by the civil war too
@wintertrooper7918 true but 60 children
That last line was quite the understatement with that shot 😅
The wiki says that it later 'turns out' that Wolverine just stabbed his eyes out, and then he gets cybernetic eyes.
@@oohdannyboywhich is dumb. There is definitely brain comin out the back of his head
@@oohdannyboy i mean... comic ridicoulisness aside, isnt the brain supposed to be behind the eyes?
@@freshmoor9357Dudes impaled through the brain & he just "gets cybernetic eyes"
@@freshmoor9357 yeah his claws are at least halfway in there so homie should be either dead or brain damaged.
The artist increased Wolverine's height from 5'6 to 7'6 just by elongating his neck 💀
He went from Wolverine to Giraffe lol.
Ramos is awesome, wolverine is not supposed to be anatomically correct, the dude literally looks like a neanderthal in most comics
@@alexdoniii There's anatomically incorrect and then there's just straight up bizarrely warped due to art style. I honestly really dislike that particular style in this instance and it definitely puts me off reading comics with it, but to each their own...
you gave Logan an extra three inches on the low end. Dude's small, but a wall of muscle with low level super strength.
Actually, he's only supposed to be 5'3" not 5'6" and certainly not Hugh Jackman's height of 6'2"!! Lol
So I don’t know if this is right but are you saying that Marvel Civil War started because of an insurance company trying to make more money. Yeah I don’t know how to feel about this
it didn't start because of them, they pulled the pin on the grenade to make some money, knowing that they could make even more money.
@@DanExclaimsthank you clearing that up but I still know how to feel. Feels almost to real
It's not an insurance company, it's more like a construction company using arson to get more contracts
It's not an insurance company it's a superhero clean-up company. Damage Control is the only Marvel company that cleans up after superhero and super villain fights and that's why after every major story New York seems to be rebuilt fast
@anna-flora999 Well, with arson, it's better to use a firefighter for that analogy
Tells a hero with well known rage issues and no problem with slaughtering his enemies and is surprised when Logan does what he’s known for.
Tbf the dude gave Logan a pretty serious fight by injecting himself with a lot of MGH
@@wintertrooper7918 is that the guy that blew wolverine up to just a skeleton he regenerated from?
@@fusiontoa18 yes
@@wintertrooper7918 One of them, at least. My favorite regen is still when Wolverine was literally torn into pieces and then regenerated from a single drop of blood that landed on a crazy powerful gem. (the abbreviated story)
@dwpetrak yeah that gem is almost never mentioned by people when talking about that scene especially since it's not a wolverine feat but that gems feat
Wolverines intelligence is always been underrated. He is also a great detective and tactical geius🎯
I mean there's a reason they merged him with Batman when they did the amalgam universe crossover with DC.
@@Chaser547 totally right but I also forgot about that nice comment 💯🎯
Meanwhile, you can’t even SPELL “genius” correctly. . .
@@jnnx meanwhile you care more then me. My fault you must be the TH-cam spelling police. Do people like you actually have anything else better to do. Guess it makes you feel superior to point out mistakes. What a life!. Say you have nothing better to do with your time 🤡
@@jnnx I mean, it's clearly a typo.
Now THIS is the kind of complexity I wish MCU Civil War had
Understandable. But now producers and studios are realizing that today's landscape of entertainment allows concepts to be in a series format rather than trying to cram everything possible into a 90-120 screentime movie. Hell, some MCU episodes run either 60-75 minutes, depending on the episode/chapter. And as far as crossovers, they can look to Star Trek and Star Wars for pretty much re-writing the book on crossovers and keeping it canon enough to appease the terminally-online die-hards.
You mean the thick necks? Same.
Nah comic civil war was horrible everyone was out of character
@@yankeelespankiee2824 nah
Ah yes the "it was the evil baddie all along" trope so complex
And because of this, Spider-Man got his identity revealed, made the deal with the devil, got rid of his marriage with MJ, and had MJ left him for some guy named Paul.
Paul did nothing wrong and spider-man can be with another woman. He doesn't have to marry MJ.
Gosh most stuff for Spider-Man post OMD is actually terrible. Idk who thought that was a good idea.
@@Ash-Winchester You are literally defending the author who put a self insert of himself and made peter become a depressed cuck, you get no say in this
The writers thought that Peter growing up and getting married was what had caused his popularity to drop, which is nonsense. And the way they went on solving the problem was handled just about as badly as it could have been.
@@cerebralassassin2185 Joe Quesada. It was Joe Quesada. Smh
And yet people blamed Speedball, Iron Man, Cap, maybe even Spider-Man but nobody ever considered blaming Nitro for the whole blowing up thing
It’s because people expect a supervillain to do something terrible, and they expect measures to be put in place to prevent it from happening.
@@phabiorules yea but those measures almost never work out in wolverine Logan went with a group of soldiers to hunt down nitro you would suspect highly trained soldiers to get to nitro without him blowing up nope he did to them what he did to the new warriors Logan survived because of his healing factor.
Lol I see what ya did there, Nitro....blowing up!! 🤭😆😂
@@sanskerl6341 would you blame a snake for biting or the person who antagonized it
What a lot of ppl dont realize is aside from all his abilities Wolverine is actually very smart and good at espionage and finding things out.
When he isn't just sick of it all and runs around the woods for years. 😅
He did work for the Canadian government and did many Black Ops-like jobs. He knows how these things actually work.
@@taisou108 not to mention living through centuries constantly learning as he went with how old he is.
@@Chaser547 Definitely!
@@kingzrjaygaming8536 that's patch.
That neck had Wolverine looking like Kronk from Emperor's New Groove 😂😂😂
Ong I can’t unsee it now 😂😂😂😭😭😭💀
Oh yeah it's all coming together.
You're telling me Speedball's team died because of profit
Modern war usually has a heavy profit windfall for some people
I'm telling you that Bidens team is making money from these wars
No the Stamford incident wasn't a planned thing they had been supplying Nitro with the MGH but it wasn't to cause a Stamford incident it was to cause more issues and destruction (smaller scale things) it was the intervention of the New Warriors that caused Nitro to go nuclear damage control then tried to clean up their own mess
@@wintertrooper7918I wonder if that's what Nitro meant by "you're messing with the big leagues now girl". He says this to Namorita right before blowing up. It always struck me as a weird line since nitro isn't exactly an A-lister himself. Maybe he was actually referring to the people backing him.
@TrashPanda90914 yeah he was referring to damage control and Walter Declun who had been supplying him with MGH (contrary to the short it doesn't require mutant ability nor does it grant mutant ability but it was created for mutants) prior to that he was only powerful enough to kill everyone in a small one bedroom apartment size area of himself a far cry from what he displayed at Stamford
Honestly that’s one of the best Wolverine artists. He’s so animalistic just a straight beast. Cartoony but so good.
You could fit an entire spare head under Wolverine's head in that first shot. Should've called him Giraffe.
Dude, it’s so bad though, and he draws him with different proportions in each frame
@@jamesy1979 it’s the charm of it for me. But I totally understand where you’re coming from. I wasn’t a fan of his style at first.
No
Humberto Ramos has always been a good artist. Been a fan since the 90s.
For a second I thought that white-haired lady was Amanda Waller lol
Which, if you think about it, is exactly something that Cadmus would do to cause distrust in the JL
@@ajdominguez1002 Ah, cadmus. The government organization that batman let get away with murdering a child. A child that was being experimented on to be turned into a weapon, but he couldn't even be bothered to lift a finger to save her. She needed his help and turned his back on her. Some hero he is.
I did too.
Lol y'all confused, as Cadmus is in DC comics, Waller is in Marvel.
@@simplysteve68 no. Amanda Waller is from the DC Universe. She's the head of Task Force X (Suicide Squad) and has ties to Cadmus Labs
Oh, it gets worse. So much worse than just an "Inside Job" for money.
How?! Could you please explain it?! It is also for racist anti mutant reasons too?
@@naolidecomisso4108 Dan probably will explain soon, don't you worry.
@naolidecomisso4108 well after this happened and the civil war was on full swing a couple of reporters that were embedded in both sides of the conflict found some issues that lead to the revelation thst Tony Stark had masterminded a plot to start a war between the surface and Atlantis to force the civil war to end with everyone registering in order to fight against this new bigger threat
@@wintertrooper7918 I was trying not to spoil it for them...
@@Root4BeerFloats meh it's like almost 20 years old now
I'm getting Amanda Waller vibes
Amanda Waller never did conspiracies for the money, it was for control, power, and keeping a one-sided checks and balances for the super powerful.
Nah that lady is fine (unscrupulous but fine) she had no idea about the plot but she did give wolverine the smoking gun that led him right to the guy behind it
Logan here could drink peanut butter through a straw
Ima say it again, this storyline was one of the best storylines in comic book history. The ramifications of Civil War still rings bells to this day. Damage Control manipulating things behind the scenes was a crazy discovery. I want the MCU to bring in these large corporations to their movies, and show them manipulating events behind the scenes.
damage control was in the MCU already! They're the ones that caused Michael Keaton to become the Vulture!!
@@DanExclaims true. Forgot about that, he cleaned up the mess after Loki attacked New York in 2012.
Roxxon! For next MCU baddie
@@nate8604 it was more of the effect of toomes being out of a job that caused him to turn into the vulture, damage control themselves didn’t orchestrate the damage to the city in any form in the mcu. that was all loki when he caused a miniature galactic war in manhattan in 2012
Well, at least it wasn't the goofy Damage Control version of the late 80s early 90s!!
Civil war is a lot more than that actually, it's basically a series of event that led to civil war, not just starting with nitro
There's secret war(Fury secret war, not the other secret war), wolverine being brainwashed and mind control by the hand and become the enemy of the state, etc, etc, civil war is basically a inevitable time bomb
For those who don't read wolverine comic, especially during this run, i highly recommend it, it's fun
This wolverine series is pretty damn good until they have that dogshit arc where they change Logan’s backstory and now he’s the reincarnation of some cat from caveman times or something.
The second i scrolled down i said "DAMN THAT NECK THO"
Great to see your videos their my highlight of my day
You are so kind
Wow, i did not know that civil war was an inside job that is nuts , and today is my birthday, and i want to say thanks, Dan, for giving me the interest in reading comics again. Thanks to you, i bought the first 3 hellboy omnibuses, so Thanks bro you're a legend.
I love those late 90s-early 00s art styles. They were so wacky in such a fun and unique way. Miss that stuff.
Late 90s-00s are like the best era of comics
With his heightened senses and centuries of experience. Wolverine's detective skills are underrated.
Only around a little over a century at this point
That brontosaurus neck looks ridiculous.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Whoever thought of that for this specific comic run was smart asf for that
It also led to my favorite moment in all of comics, as who orchestrated all of this? Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastic. He had calculated that the world would end umless he set off something now to release some tension.
So he arranged a civil war. It's why i consider Reed maybe the scariest guy in all of Marvel: he will arrange the murder of an entire preschool and set off a hero war because he knows that he's saving the world, you're just not smart enough to understand how he came to that conclusion.
No one is.
It's like having Thanos as one of your core heros.
He what
@@frankspick7544 In my favorite moment in comics ever, Reed then has a moment of doubt, so he tricks the Mad Thinker into breaking into the Baxter Building. Once Thinker is there, Reed walks him to his lab, where an entire room is covered in calculations showing that it was either murder the kids and start a civil war, or the world ends, and begs Thinker to check his math, as no one else is smart enough to understand it.
Thinker looks it over for a couple minutes and says:
"I quit, and I give up the title of Mad Thinker. Our rivalry is over; you are, indisputably, smarter than me.
I can't check your math. No one can.
And I cannot fathom how hideously alone that leaves you."
No Reed didn't orchestrate it or anything. Rather, it was that he had used his technology to view other timelines, and using his own genius, he became convinced that the civil war was inevitable and chose to side with Tony as that was the way he saw to save everyone
@@wintertrooper7918 That is the RR moment that I remember. I remember thinking of it in a meta context as Marvel basically saying "hey, I know this all makes no sense to you guys but the smartest guy in the universe did some crazy math and said this is how it had to be." What was funniest to me was how the shot never showed the math, just a very constrained shot of the Thinker. The scene wasn't a "hey this guy was behind the whole thing" and more a "you see, this is justified." And I think it was ultimately in response to RR having everyone sent to Marvel's version of the Phantom Zone that I can't remember its name of at the moment.
That's a wild plot twist
Do any of the surviving New Warriors know? I think Penance and Night Thrasher are alive as per 616 canon
Most of the surviving New Warriors had left the team prior to Stamford for whatever reason and some like Firestar chose to abandon superheroes instead of getting involved
Huh. Never knew that Damage Control was a villain at times. I thought they were just a plot device to return things to status quo.
This was their first major role
@wintertrooper7918 Well that would explain it.
They were at the time bought out by a company called bad dog that started this whole mess
@williamsova9313 Aaah. I imagine we'll be seeing more of them in the future then behind other companies, too
Damage Control was half-owned by Wilson Fisk. So their villian potential was right there since the beginning.
Girafferine
More like Rhinocerine
@@Pandemia616 bahahhaha
This information should be used to, at least partially, clear the names of the New Warriors lost in the detonation that started the Civil War, and to help Speedball/Penance move on, if it hasn't already.
Neckerine, bro got it so bad the claws come off the neck
Who drew this 😂
I want to say humberto ramos? It kinda looks like his art, which I’ve never been a fan of
@@connormartinson7619 it’s so bad lol
@@Jasonoc0 his art is good it’s just everything from the shoulders up that doesn’t look good
@@connormartinson7619 bro does not take classes or anything for that like don’t he work for marvel?
Someone who needs some practice with anatomical proportions, if they were just a little better the art would be amazing
Not gonna lie i really dig the art style. Its really coll
This Wolverine vs Rob Lifield's Captain America
A legendary battle! 😱
dude, I’m gonna be honest with you wasn’t even paying attention the long neck distracted me
Everyone during Civil War: Let's fight because we can't talk things through and the goverment is wanting to enforce a law that borderlines in fascism and will endanger a lot of innocent people!
Meanwhile Wolverine: I'm gonna put my thinking cap and do some detective work... Also i'm gonna go kill Nitro because i'm pissed off
That’s Chad Wolverine
So all the torture and blame speed ball took was for nothing.
Holy shit wolverine is George Corpsegrinder!
Weird that people blame Speedball way more than Nitro, the actual villain. I always thought he got way too much hate for Standford
Bro is quite literally neckzilla
I loved that issue, everybody was fighting, arguing and picking sides and wolverine is the only one who thinks about finding out who killed all those kids
Wolverine was really drawn in Tokyo revenger's artsyle 😂
I was gonna say, Wolverines neck has sum real character development💀
It never goes well for the person on the receiving end of Wolverines rage.
Dude why did I hyper focus on the neck!?! Like the fact you pointed it out is amazing lmao
One of the very few recon that actually makes the story better. Civil War wasn’t that good, But it did as it advertised, Heroes versus heroes. I only wish they had this level of complexity
This wasn't a retcon. This was a Civil War tie-in. The problem was that Cap and Iron Man were so focused on the Superhuman Registration Act on the main mini series that no one listened to Wolverine when he said they should actually go after the people behind the Stanford incident.
@oscaradolfosandovalrojas6237 Tony had his own reasons for not wanting to hunt down or even hamper Logan's investigation
How can it be retcon when it's actually occurring during the story? hahha u lame, bro.
@@connorblake7487 It is a retcon in that it changes the point of the story and every consequence behind it. It went from a very serious question: what do we do when superheroes (and by extension supervillains) get out of hand? To no question at all but: we need to find out who did this and punish them. Nothing learned, nothing gained.
With the retcon it forces everything back to the status quo, because no one did anything wrong, it was just a single rogue element. Once they bring them to justice then everything will be fine, no need to think about any deep questions or consequences. It is narrative finger pointing, done because the story wrote itself into a corner. After all, if these heroes are what you sell to make money, is it a good idea to permanently alienate half your audience or more for countless issues just because they were on one side or another of the argument?
Comics always do this - reset to status quo. That is all this was. Bait-and-switch, reset, retcon. Call it whatever you want but it wasn't what they set out to do in the first place.
Yep, while everyone else was butting heads in the Civil War, Wolverine was doing the right thing and going after the people responsible.
Seeing all the different perspectives of the Civil War is cool; but it's a shame that it has over forty books that tie into it. Im going to read them all even though I really want to.
I never found out the end of Civil War because back then (Hell now!) I couldnt afford that many single issues.
I dont want to short artist/writers/editors but I just cant pay 2-5$ an issue for a 40-60 issue arc. The big 2 need to figure out a magazine or digest format for current titles.
The neck isnt the only huge thing... Things
And I thought Tony started Civil War but no it's all about the money at the cost of others. Kudos to Logan for finding out the truth.
No Tony just capitalized on it when the registration act became a thing he became the face of it and began manipulating things to ensure it's passing
Given how many big battles, and even small ones, that happen why would Damage Control even need to do this? Plus, this led to more hero regulations, with the goal of Preventing what happened. Seems a bit unnecessary.
That's how corporate greed goes. "Why continue to make a lot of money when we can instead make all the money in the world?"
I can't wait for wolverine to realize he never killed the X-Men and they're all just trapped by aliens in space.
Love Humberto ramos art style 😅😅😅
Humberto Ramos' art is really hit or miss, his work on Superior Spider-Man is great but sometimes it looks Hella ugly
Let's not forget that aside from the damage control plot Tony also tried to start a war with Atlantis so that he could force all heroes to register
I love this moments when wolverine is treated as a human with hundred of years of experience insted of "Rhawg* i'm wolverine, i'm feral and have claws, i'm dumb as rocks though"
thank you for this. Civil War had a few things that left me puzzled, and Nitro was one of them. How was he so dangerous that singular time speedball attacked him, when others like Iron Man had beaten him through similar ways? Well, because Damage Controll drugged nItro to become even more destructive. Is there more on what the x-men were doing during Civil War, my trade copy of the event doesn't event really mention them.
Now....i have something to Avenge
-wolverine
You could write one of the greatest stories oat. If the art’s horrendous, I will NOT be reading. It just makes it harder to immerse myself unfortunately. Perhaps I’ll just listen to an E-Book or something lol.
I remember in this comic, before he caught Nitro, Wolverine was incinerated until only a smoking skeleton remained, and yet he still regenerated. I wondered when Wolverine turned into Cell from DBZ?
About the joke of Wolverine massive neck 😂😂😂 I really dont like this artist style. His Spider-man comics are difficult to read.
This is why i don't follow main marvel stories anymore. Almost every single plot is driven by someone being a walking douche bag spewing feces around for supposed future good in their philosophy. Single writers in a single world is much more engaging and believable.
I remember reading this and I loved that Wolverine, from the beginning, skipped all the politics and just went straight after Nitro.
The Problem with the Civil War Storyline is that almost every writer tried to undermine the core concept from the beginning. When you create a conspiracy behind the events and have only a few characters actually investigate it, you basically reduce every other storyline to a meaningless brawl between wildly out of character heroes.
This artwork is simultaneously really technically impressive, ultra stylized, and really ugly all at the same time. The sausage fingers really bother me lol.
Cyclop: Wow Like..Logan you okay??
Wolverine: Cyclop im in constant Pain right now-
Did Damage Control knew how much yield Nitro produced with the drug or were they surprised that he took out an entire town instead of a few buildings?
Iyo Sky or Bayley was behind Civil War.... but Damage Control needs to change!
I always find funny how only Wolverine thought of searching for Nitro, the actual cause of the whole event.
Someone once told me that the MCU it's almost a preseneted as the end result of a quarrel between a guy and his two boyfriends.
Ah yes, Humberto Ramos. The man who has never seen a human being in his life, judging by his art.
I feel like that makes just enough sense to be a shady government operation you believe could happen and just little enough sense that you can believe that this is *how* they would do it.
This run was necks level.
Logan was also the only mutant who joins the Avengers during the Avengers VS X Men war.
How did some of these artists work on official comics? This is just an example of the weirdness they draw
That artist is Humberto Ramos, one of the best stylized comic artists and his artwork is fantastic.
This Wolverine appears to be some sort of giraffe.
Say it doesn’t go well for declon is such a understatement 😂
Damn Damage CTRL (Iyo Sky, Dakota Kai, and Kairi Sane from WWE) starting a Civil War in Marvel Comics! 😂
I loved the 'Civil War' storyline. The movie didn't do it justice.
Its really crazy that when I read about Damage Control in the 80s/90s they were a pretty benign helpful organization. They just cleaned up messes after fights, instead of orchestrating them to drum up business.
Ima be real im so down bad that his neck is one of the least biggest things in the video I was looking at
The artists name is humberto ramos for anyone wondering
Isn't this when Wolverine got nuked to his skeleton and reformed?
From Wolverine's massive neck to Seraph's big boobs. 🤪
But dont ignore the suddenly overweight Storm?? 😂
Na, it was called Marvel. They made all the Civil Wars happen.
Humberto Ramos artwork is stylised, people who whine about his human anatomy or body proportions in comic book artworks are clearly very new or naive.. him and Bachalo are my favorite Marvel artists.. on the modern DC side, it's Jorge Jimenez, Dan Mora and Di Mateo
I got so tired of Liefield and Lees style back then (thin brittle waists, big boobs, every guys gotta 12 pac) that Ramos was a relief.
In the comics it never ends well for anyone that wolverine goes after
That wasn’t Wolverine. That was Giraffe.
holy fuck what do you have to do to build a neck like that😭😭
Is that Wolvezilla? Look that neck 😂
That’s not wolverine that’s giraffe 💀
You know what they say about mutants with big necks.